The Team House - Year In Review 2023

Episode Date: January 8, 2024

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Special Operations. Covert Ops. Espionage. The Team House. With your hopes, Jack Murphy and David Park. Here we are. 2023 year-in-review episode. Is this the bullshit throwaway episode at the very end of the year where we're just

filling space because we don't want to be here on actual New Year's? That's what it definitely is. Yeah. Yeah. But however. But if you're joining us for this episode, it's the most important episode of the year. I would say the thing about this is we do a lot of episodes and probably some of them get lost in the mix.

And so if you're wondering, or maybe you just found this channel, we can give you a quick overview of who is on the show this year and you can figure out which sound the most interesting to you. So that's my pitch. That's the best I got. I'm there with you. I'm there for it. I'm there for it.

I mean, with my TBI, I'm lucky that I remember the episode we did two weeks ago. So, fortunately for you all, Jack leads these discussions. Well, yeah, with three pages of notes,

because I couldn't remember all this either. So a few channel statistics to start off with. Guys, in 2024, I promise you, I'm going to figure out

how to get Jack the way to my head. So this is a YouTube statistics. There's other. other podcast statistics that actually I didn't even look at. Maybe you did, Dee. I didn't look at the

stuff. Pull them up if you want sometime during the show and we can cover them at the end. So on YouTube, we had 18 million views, 61,000 new subscribers, and we did a total of 68 episodes. Our top episode and top live stream was our interview with Gary Harrington,

and our top short was Mike Edwards. So this was like a good year, man. This was a good year of growth. Like I remember, I think the last time we did this, we were talking about the goal was to make $100,000. I think we were at 50. Yeah.

Last year, we were like our goals to make $100,000. And we're at like almost $125 right now. Yeah. So we overshot. Good problem to have. Yeah. Yeah. Overachievers.

You know, you know how we roll. And so we're looking at Spreaker here, Dee. The one annoying part is this is our audio stats, but our audio stats are split because we change the... Midway through, right? Yeah, so... Okay, so it's not giving you a yearly total. It's not going to give us the yearly total. It gives us the last 90 days.

Gotcha. But wow, it just... In the last month, 88,000 downloads and over a million impressions over the last 30 days. Yeah, not bad. Not bad. Is that $3 million? Yes, it is. No.

Yeah. You're getting the baby giraffe. Yeah, finally. And the only thing about speaker is you have to go to eat. No one can see this because it shows how much money we make. But you have to go to a single show. So you hit one specific one. It gives you the downloads.

Okay. I think the biggest downloaded one we have audio-wise is Gary Harrington. It's like in the 30,000s. And what do you think? The split is the between YouTube and the podcast, between the stream and the podcast. I would say on average, it's probably close to, uh, no, I would say it's probably 60, on average, 60, 40 video views to listens. Okay.

But on YouTube, we have the opportunity, like, for a show like Gary Harrington's, that's got, like, 900,000 views. Mm-hmm. A show like that, I'll probably do, like I said, 30,000 listens, which is, like, double what we normally we get around 15,000 listens on average per show that's awesome yeah youtube is the place where like we have the opportunity for a show to like really take off and like gain some grind like gain some like legs is that because of the algorithm that don't like throw our you should you might also like i think so i think it's partly that and i think it's just people who

listen to podcasts they don't really get those kinds of suggestions right like they don't have like an algorithm like that they might get some suggestions depending on the platform but it's not the same like youtube just want you to continue to watch shows yeah watch videos no matter what so let's try and feed you right right yeah but audio wise i think audio is like you're an audio listener you let you consume your podcast via spotify or ip apple i podcast and the youtube stuff is a little different i mean i'm sure because i watch i listen to pods and i do watch some pods too so it's mixed. Yeah, so I think

I would say on average, an average show, a show that does around 35,000 views and listens, it'll be about 60, 40 views to audio. That's awesome, man. I mean, I don't know how you guys feel, but I think this has been, like, a really good year for the show. Totally, like, came into its own, and, like, now we're a mid-sized podcast.

Yeah, totally. We're not Joe Rogan, but we are a mid-sized podcast. We're out there. We're out and about, right? A mid-sized podcast with small-sized sound. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. We're still trying to figure out the sound.

I think we're there. I think we've gotten there. And I'll take this moment to also just thank all the people who support the channel, especially the people who support us on Patreon. And all those who do, they get ad-free episodes plus some bonus episodes also. And I mean, that's what enabled all of this, really. and this year I think we finished

everything we ever wanted to do with the studio pretty much Yeah I think it's pretty Don't it's time to move A few yeah exactly You know they started Did church up there I heard they were kicking

I was texting Jack last Last episode freaking out about it But I mean this place is This place is awesome I'm really happy with how it came out We updated our tricaster Got a new tricaster this year Which for those who aren't

like super tech guys. It's like it's a computer. Yeah, exactly. Like, like me, uh, that's the computer that is basically the brains of the whole live stream. Like all the audio,

all the video goes into that. And D produces the show live in the software, the tricaster, new tech software. So yeah. So if you see like you're seeing me now switch through the camera angles. That's me doing that. So some of you guys start yelling at it's like,

why don't you just record the ad reads later or then insert them? And it's like, it's a live show. And I'm like, So you mean those things that pop up on screen and the intro and the camera cuts that's all just done live? Yes. Yes, it is. That's why sometimes it's fucked up.

Yeah, yeah, no, exactly. It is, yeah. Fuck it, we'll do it live. So. I love it live. I really do prefer it live. Yeah, no, me too. I couldn't imagine going back, going the other way.

I don't know. What do you think, Dave, as far as, like, other things, like, before we get into, like, a blow-by-blow episode review, like, things that went down in 23, happy with, ambivalent about? Yeah, happy and ambivalent. No, I mean, the studio really came together. And again, it's unfortunate because we do have some challenges with our neighbors in the studio.

There was no way we could have foreseen. There's just, in the future, we will ask, we'll ask future landlords if there, is a church upstairs a church upstairs Epiopian evangelical church upstairs that does services at night. It was funny to you last week so I was texting with the neighbors upstairs

and she sends me the flyer for their service and I sent it to Jack and like check out this flyer you want to go to the next one because they started at 10 o'clock so I mean they do push it for us I got to give them some credit but like sometimes they do like a sound check or whatever so like throughout the episode last week with Mark I was hearing them upstairs

like, oh my God, they're going to start fucking rocking soon. I think we should all do mushrooms and roll up there one day and just enter the service. Yeah. I mean, it sounds like a fun service. It does sound like they're having fun, doesn't it? It sounds, yeah, because it is like an African Christian church. So they are just rocking. Like, you know, this African music, it sounds so good.

But the drums, you know, the speakers, everything is on the, floor so it all just vibrates down through you know I mean honestly we should buy them like rubber pads to put under all their shit or like a new place to do this this is like one of the big cultural differences is like black people have fun at church unlike

us yeah we're like repressed fucking animals at church yeah white people are sitting there about I got some love on Twitter about like the fucking what I was saying during Mark's episode about like the church upstairs like I was freaking out about it and how I was like talking shit about the Greek Orthodox Church,

which I can do because I was born and raised Greek Orthodox. Because I guess Mark did a speech for them in Chicago. And I was like saying how they embezzled money and stuff like that, which they fucking do. It's not a joke. It was hilarious. And you got heat on Twitter? No, somebody was like, that was funny.

Oh, good, yeah, yeah. It was funny, though. Dee's a funny dude. Thank you. D.D. should have a few shows of his own. I can't handle that. I can't handle the pressure. All right.

I can do it. So develop any further thoughts. We'll come back. We'll revisit at the end. Jumping into the episodes. We started the new year. We started 2023 with episode 184, Pat McNamara. That was a good one.

Yeah, that was a really good. Great episode. Pat's a great guy. I'd never met him before the show. I mean, I had heard that he was a great dude. But yeah, really great too. Great story, too. You know, he had the best origin story we've ever heard, I think, on the show about how his older brother was kind of a punk.

Oh, that's right. Yeah. And Pat, like, took martial arts, was like in the gym lifting weights and came back and whipped his brother's in his house. Yeah, yeah, it was like a rocky montage. Yeah, yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. But also, you know, like his post-service life and that dip he had, you know, the divorce and everything.

and, you know, and then it's come back from that. I think, you know, I really like those types, not those types of stories, but I really appreciate when people who have suffered something like that and come back from it are able to talk about it because it shows that even for a machine, you know, somebody like Pat Mack who, you know, you think of at this next higher level, how, you know, humanity hits us all, you know. Life comes at? life comes at you yeah um pat was somebody who people had requested we have on for a long time

and um yeah i don't see pat's done quite a few interviews but i don't remember too many were like he really told this whole story like that you know um it's awesome i really liked it yeah that the one crazy part i remember specifically was when he uh he was doing a static line jump and the she got caught yeah like that was fucking gnarly yeah He has a free fall story, too, that he told me once. That was pretty wild. We'll get him to tell that another time. So episode 185, Ken DeCleva, who was a state department and CIA psychologist.

That was a cool episode, too. Holy shit, that was a year ago. Yeah, man. Fuck. Yeah. That was like a whole interesting perspective of, like, working in Moscow, who's taking systema courses. Yeah.

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and use the code team house free for free for life. I'm just doubled reading this just to make sure that I'm reading it right. Am I going to use my own promo code? Awesome. Thanks, Hello Fresh. Thank you guys for supporting the sponsors. Bye-bye. 186, the LERP trio. This was number two after Ken Miller, Larry Chambers. That was great.

Larry was awesome, man. I remember that one got fucking copyrighted which is crazy because we didn't even play like the music or the audio from the, whether it was a history channel or A&E, like the documentary about Lurps that Larry he was in

and he was like reacting to and it got copyright strike. Yeah, that was kind of bullshit. But it was a great interview. Really good. O'Iri's a great character too. And then episode 187 was Alex Hollings talking about some aerospace stuff.

Alex is always fun to talk to him. Yeah, yeah. He's always like super into it. Alex is killing it too. You know, I mean honestly, Alex with Alex's personality he could be into like pig farming or geology or or or just like like lumber like he could talk about different types of lumber and it would be fun yeah because he's excited about it i want to love something as much as he loves like

aviation yeah in my life yeah a person a thing yeah yeah i wish this is this is a sidebar have you ever seen uh this is a RPG thing have you ever seen matt colville on the YouTube's? No, I don't think so. He's a RPG designer and has like a small company now. When he starts talking, he's like so excited and so into it.

And he'll go off on these, he was talking about like the history of D&D and then went off into a sidebar, the history of synthesizers. And it's like, I know nothing about that. I don't know why you're talking about it, but it's really interesting. Yeah, I hope you keep going with it.

Yeah, Matt Colville, yeah, he reminds me of Alex. episode 188 Mark Denbow who was Gitmo lawyer and Mark, yeah Mark yeah Yeah I forgot his name on the I forgot

I couldn't recall his name on the Andy Stumpfiel That was an interesting episode I mean it was for me it was a challenging episode Because you know Mark was there protecting people And rightfully so I'm you know there But he was there to you know, ensure the civil rights or human rights of, you know, people in Gitmo. And I didn't have,

you know, many fond feelings about the people in Gitmo. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, these public prosecutors and so forth and public defenders, I mean, they're a necessary, I don't want to say a necessary evil. I don't think they're evil. But, you know, somebody has to make sure the government's doing the labor work, right? Exactly. Absolutely. Vigas. I hope I'm pronouncing his name, right? He'll come beat me up. Ish was CCTV.

He had some awesome stories about Afghanistan. That was a really good one. Yeah. 190 was Jesse Betcher. And Jesse was like that generation of operators that was like in the thick of it, like in the mix of it for years and years. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, Jesse was great. Yeah, he had some awesome stories too. 191 was Joel Funk MH 60 or no MH47 pilot He was really good 192 was a little offbeat for us

Chad Michael Collins Voice actor extraordinary Voice actor and Call of Duty And the sniper series The sniper franchise And sniper grit is out The sniper 10 Is out and it's coming to Netflix

And this month actually So Well we need to carve off the day to do a sniper marathon i think absolutely we should react to watching sniper it can't be a good movie i know you like it jack but it's got to be you got to like accept it for what it is that like it's a it's a fun campy kind of over the top there's jokes in it and at the end the good guys win and you'll come away from it like with a good feeling it's not like watching shindler's list and you walk right right

oh fuck man it's like wanted right Nobody can bend bullets. You know they can't bend bullets, but you believe in this world where people can bend bullets. Like, it's just fun. I look at it in the same vein as, like, die hard. Yeah, right. You know, I'm not looking for, like, total gritty realism.

Right, right. You know, from a film like that. And Chad said he wanted to do another show, and I told him, yes, but you have to come in studio. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be cool. He's boys with my friend George, so, like, I'll tell George to, like,

And tell him to hook us up with the voice actress from... Balders Gate 3. I know. So that we can... I don't know. ...do a new interview. Also, supposedly, my friend George, because he's like all plugged into the Hollywood shit, he said that they're going to be making snipers now, like, every year for the next 20 years.

Bro, Chad has fucking hooked it up, man. He's got the gig. And you know, I bet I know why that is, is because when they put those films on Netflix, whatever the deal was, like, they were, like, number one, number one, number two on Netflix for like weeks. That's got to be a huge thing. Yeah, no, I think they got like a ton of streaming hours. Like it was like another level.

That's why they're doing it. Only because like it blew up on Netflix. I haven't, I haven't seen like the ones that you guys were talking about. Like now that they have sort of like the team stuff. But it almost sounds like it almost sounds like somebody doing like G.I. Joe or Suicide Squad, but doing it

sort of in their in their own way for their own reason like they're creating this team this fun team and they're not beholden to any property they're not right they're just making a good movie yeah in each one can be and it is pretty different yeah yeah that's a hard thing i think with with genre films or books is that you don't want to write the same book or make the same movie over and over um 193 the return of tim whiner Oh, yeah. That was a good one. We talked about a lot of different.

Some historical stuff, but mostly, I think we got into more contemporary stuff. Oh, Iraq. You remember Netcentric Warfare with Don Rumsfeld. I remember kept circling back around to that one. Tim's awesome. I had dinner with Tim like two months ago. I don't think he'll mind me saying this. He's like two-thirds of the way through his book.

He's writing the sequel to Legacy of Ash's. Oh, nice. So when he's done, when that book is published, we'll have him back on. the show to talk about it for sure. That was fantastic. 194 was Aaron Brown. Former Ranger and CIA officer. He had some cool stories. Yeah, that was a really good one.

I enjoyed Aaron. Yeah. Yeah. He's a very smart guy. He had a good rundown to like the TikTok of what went down with the UBL raid and how he like snuck into the room and shit. Like he wasn't supposed to be in there. Being some of those meetings must have been pretty norway. It's got to be crazy. Yeah. The tension's got to be like pretty.

high. 195 was Dave Madden. Navy SEAL. One of the few that has slipped through the cracks. Because we're seal haters. But Dave was great, man. He was awesome.

Mostly his trips, as I recall, he was doing village stability operations in Afghanistan. Yeah, Dave's a great guy. He's doing good stuff out there. He had a really good description of a first firefight and what it's like for guys who've never

been in it. Right. And how fucking insane it is. It was pretty pretty cool. Yeah, man. Dave's a good guy. And he hooked us up with that cider too. Yeah. Posterity. Episode 196 was Vivek Jacob, who served in Nine Para, Indian Special Operations Forces. And that was a good episode of like something like, again, like kind of like offbeat for us because it was about his military career. But then like his post-s service time and like this sort of spiritualism or spirituality that he got into. Right. Kind of helped him make sense of his life. And we have people commenting all the time like, oh, you need to get more, you know,

this nine para officer or this officer or this guy. And then I'm like, I'm open to it. If you guys want to put us in contact with, we're excited to have foreign special ops guys on the show. Yeah. I mean, keep the recommendations coming. 197 was Gary Harrington who's a special forces guy

and then a CIA officer and that episode was the one that went like pretty viral for us almost a million views on a full episode on like a long form episode yeah yeah and I mean he was he was great I mean great stories and and that's why we invited him to come back again

pilot yeah he was fucking awesome yeah that was great he was awesome yeah episode 200 Where do we even begin with that one? Well, how can you? Yeah, I don't even know how you talk about it. I mean, are my least favorite episode. Don't be a hater, D.

I mean, if you want to know what it's all about, just go check it out and skip forward. Like, every hour to see if you're interested in the content that's going on that hour. It was a lot going on. Because it's like 14 hours. Yeah, yeah. And what's interesting is, like, YouTube,

when you're live streaming cuts off at 12 hours. That's why it's only 12 hours on YouTube. I have the full one. The full one is up on the audio version. So what you need to do, just I guess for FYI, which we're never going to do it again, I hope to God,

is like you have to stop the stream and then restart it again and you can go for another 12 hours. Wow. That's the rule. That's like the... So now we know how to get to our famed 24-hour episodes. So that's what they did.

Like a part of my take in Barstool, they did a 24-hour stream. And that's how I figured it out because they were tweeting about it because people were bitching that the stream stopped for like two minutes. Yeah. And they were like, we have to stop the stream to redo it because like it stops after 12 hours. No, we won't do another time. Those are some super fans, though, if like they're bitching at the 12-hour point. I know.

That, I mean, God bless Barstool. Yeah, PMT is a huge podcast. They get like a million, a million downloads, an episode. It's also one of those things. We're doing a ridiculous stream like that. People can, like, check it out for five minutes, drift away. Yeah. 12 hours later, why are you still here?

Yeah. Right. What is it wrong with you, Peter? You can find out, and the good thing, Dave, is when you spilled all your national security secrets at hour 14, it's not on YouTube, so you're good. I have no idea what you're talking about. So, yeah, no, we will be hitting episode 300 in 2024, but. But we're not going to do 12 hours. We'll probably do like a D&D game or something in four or five hours.

Four or five hours is beautiful. I love that. Episode 201 was Dustin Ward, Ranger. Yeah. He had some bowler stories out there. Some firefights in Afghanistan. We'd love to have him back sometime. Also, Dustin's Light Sleeper.

Yes. He's got the Light Sleeper, so check that out. Lightsleeper.com. Episode 202 was Frank McCloskey. Frank was SF, MacV. Sog, CIA officer. He had some great stories about Central America, too. Yeah. 203 was Kate Mannion, Kate, from Barstool Sports, from Zero Blog 30.

She was here in studio. She was always fun. Yeah, she was hilarious. She had just gotten pregnant, too, so she couldn't booze it up. Yeah. She usually gets boozed up. Like, they do, like, a live show all the time called The Yak, and she's fucked.

They always get fucked up on the shows. It's like 1 p.m. too during the week. And they sometimes, like, they do a case race where, like, whoever finishes a case of beer first wins. And it's like, it's just mayhem. So she usually gets fucked up. Anybody who, anybody who finishes a case of beer loses. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. They're fucking mangled, dude, out. It's like a disaster. They also get their faces painted, so they're doing it with face paint. That's funny. 204. Roger Lockshear, who is a crew chief flying Huey's with MacBee'sog. Episode 205 was the four-hour Chris Miller epic.

That was a great show. It was an awesome show. And Chris drove all the way up from the D.C. area and then drove back that night. Yeah, what a trooper. He was hardcore. Yeah. And we were trying to keep the show short for him because we knew he had to drive back and he just powered through.

Yeah. Yeah. We gave him the option at about two hours at the K. We could stop here and do it. Now let's keep going. Yeah, yeah. He was in the zone. 206 was Gary Nostner, who was an FBI negotiator. That's again, really unique perspective. Really great insight, yeah.

Episode 207, David Walton, served with seventh special forces group and trains young people to get ready, get prepared for SFAS. Dr. Dave. Yeah. He was great. Yeah. 208 was our first episode with Dale Hansen, and we were suffering from some technical issues. So back to the whole streaming nature of the show, like, there's some things we can control. One of them is not the other person's internet connection.

So we asked Dale to come back, which we'll hit up in a minute. Don Bentley, 209, is the author, Apache Pilot, flew after Red Wink. happen. And then, speaking of Red Wings, Ed Derrick was a journalist throughout the book. He was episode 210.

211 was Nelson Miller, SEAL Team 6. He was Chief, Master Chief, right? He wasn't an officer. No, no, no. Yeah, Master Chief.

Yeah. Yeah, Nelson Miller was awesome. Yeah, it was great. He had a lot of SEALs this year. 212 was Ward Carroll. Yeah. Ward has his own podcast. Is it called the Ward Carroll channel?

I think it is. I think it's just called War Carroll. Yeah. And he does aviation stuff. So go check Ward out. He also hit, I think he just hit 500,000 subscribers. Damn. Yeah, he's doing good.

Yeah, good for him, man. I, like, briefly worked for Ward, like, way back when. And it's cool to see, I mean, both of us have kind of, like, gone off and done other things. Well, now we're both on YouTube, so we're not really doing other things. We're doing the same thing. 213 was Michelle Taylor, FBI agent. And now she's with, is it trench coat? Trench coat advisors, yeah.

Trenchcoed advisors. With Holden triplet. With Holden. Yeah, Michelle was really cool. She was awesome. And she was an intelligence officer. And 1001st. Yeah.

And then no relation, but episode 214 was Mike Taylor. So Mike was a Special Forces veteran. and he became world-renowned when he allegedly smuggled Carlos Gohn out of Japan. Well, I don't think we have to say allegedly anymore. He said he did, and Japan threw him in jail for it. So I think we're okay with... Yeah, I think the cat's out of the bag.

Yeah. He's okay if he smuggles out of Carlos Gone again. Yeah. And that was a really interesting episode for, you know, one, because of his stories, but two, you know, learning about our own justice system that to everybody's surprise, I'm sure, doesn't even follow its own rules sometimes

because they sent him, they extradited him to a country that did not meet U.S. standards for imprisonment and they're not supposed to do that. I don't know if there's, I mean, if there isn't a law, there should be a law. But we have an extradition treaty with Japan, but that's the problem. And just this week they released that,

it was a naval officer who was being held. He was in prison in Japan. And this guy, he went hypoxic at the wheel and tragically killed two people. And they put him in prison for three years. And the Biden administration, I guess, requested, put pressure. I don't know what the backroom deal is. But they just released him this week and sent him home. No, it's interesting.

It's with Mike Taylor, it's very interesting. Because allegedly, you know, like what he said, is that he technically didn't even break any laws in Japan. They were but hurt, and so we went to jail for him. Yeah, he embarrassed them. He embarrassed him. So he went, yeah. It's a shame-dust.

Imagine living in a country where you can go to jail because the country feels but-hurt. Or they can arrest you over and over and over again, and they can hold you like indefinitely, basically, without charging you crime. They can subject you to sleep deprivation, pull you out of your cell day and night to be interrogated by prosecutors. Yeah. Like, yeah, it doesn't meet like an American standard for sure. And that was always my problem with his extradition. 215, Andy Milburn here in studio. Good old Andy.

We love Andy. Probably what is third or fourth appearance on the show? Yeah. This one might have been his third. All right. I hope we can get Andy back one of these days when it's coming through. He's a great guy. I think we'll be able to get it back.

Yeah. 216. Justin Sapp and Toby Harnden. So Justin was the first Green Beret in Afghanistan with Team Alpha, the CIA's Team Alpha. And Toby Horton wrote the book, which is called First Casualty. Thank you. And so we had them both here in studio, both great guys. We've had both of them on previously.

So if you haven't read First Casualty, you know, I definitely suggest picking it up. 217 was Felipe Peters RRC the regimental reconnaissance company and Felipe he's another like fascinating interesting guy

like this whole life story of he was a Mennonite right yeah yeah and born in Mexico not speaking Spanish speaking their language it's like I guess it's a derivative

of Dutch I didn't even know that that's fucking Harley do you say that on the show yeah I forgot that part I know he's a Mennonite I don't know that was like one of their party tricks

Yeah. And then he, of course, immigrated to the United States and joined the Ranger Regiment and had a wild and interesting career. Yeah. And it's a cool dude. Yeah. Very cool. Super cool. And then there are a couple here I missed. This was when I was on vacation in Iceland. So you guys tell me, 218 was Steve 40. What's interesting is, they're the most viewed. Yeah. Like, I take off and let you guys go and you're doing just fine without me.

besides the Gary Harrington I'll give you that one Yeah because I wasn't here for that one Oh that's right Yeah Yeah Steve was fantastic Steve was a nice guy Yeah

Special Force but then also You know Talked about Talked about resilience Talked a lot about resilience And you know Strategies for Postmatic Stress Strategies for

Maintaining Resilient Soldiers Fantastic Like great episode Yeah and he's a chief wellness officer of the hospital for special surgery. Good for him. Yeah. That's great.

219 was Mark Palmeropoulos. Oh, and the guest host was Andy Milburn for these. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, he was staying in my place. Yeah, Mark, who I just want you to know that... Oh, yeah, he's got a beef with you. He's got a beef with you. He's like, why is Jack avoiding me?

Yeah. What? Two episodes in a row. Yeah, and you haven't been on the show. It's the other way around. round is like, I can't come on the show so I tell you guys, it's on you, you figure out what you want to do for the show, and you're like,

oh, I don't know what to do. I'm just going to call Mark. Mark's always welcome. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to skip out when Mark comes on the show. No, I think we had Mark booked, bro. No, you, that's not how we're booked three months out. You're not like, no, we're not on those ones. This last one with Mark, we

booked him like three weeks ago because somebody dropped out. Yeah. But I think this one during the summer. I was not here. I was on vacation. Yeah, but you I think we had a book. I think we had a book. Figure it out and we call Mark because you, like, he was already scheduled. I had my vacation scheduled like six months in advance.

No, no, I think we had Mark scheduled from like at least a couple months in advance. Steve 40 was a guy who popped in for us because somebody canceled. Right. Steve was the last minute of hill because somebody. But Steve was somebody who was on our, he was on our radar because of the book. Well, I was talking to Steve about maybe booking him. I think at that point we needed a book for like September. October so I was looking to book them then. The big table,

the big coffee book. Oh, yeah. It's that one? Yes, the 20-year war. Well, yeah, that's Blakely. Yeah. We'll get to him in a minute. But yeah, no, I don't care about Mark, but I am sorry. We know you don't care about Mark. Mark knows you don't care about Mike. I am sorry. I am sorry I missed out on episode 220, though, when we flew Dale Hanson down

from Alaska. Yeah, that was cool. I am sorry, I missed that one. How'd it go? I feel bad for Steve and Mark now because Jack doesn't feel bad about missing them. No, I feel bad that I miss Steve. I said I don't care about missing Mark. I mean, we grabbed lunch with Mark, too, like a month ago, two months ago. Yeah, we did. The Greek restaurant.

No, Dale was fantastic. It was a great show. I'm trying to remember. Dee, do you remember some of the highlights of that? I mean, it's long. It's like three hours and 20 minutes. So he goes through a lot of his shit. Like, it's pretty great.

Like, you know, he talks about how he lost his fingers. and stuff like that. I did read his book. It's pretty... His memoir is born twice. That's right. Born twice. Yep.

Yep. And I'm glad like the MacV. Sagan's do pretty good numbers-wise. Like that one that has over 430,000 views. Oh, and speaking of which, I'll give him a shout out on here. Bud Gibson runs a podcast. I think it's called the Recon podcast or something like that. I think so.

And he's a young guy. And he's like super into, you know, the same thing we do, really, trying to like interview these mac v sod guys and get their stories and get their history and he's done an incredible job and in order for you know that that legacy to continue to live it's really important that like younger people younger than me and you oh for sure kind of like get passionate about it yeah you know so i'll be doing um bud's um podcast uh next month i don't know what he wants to talk about with me i was not quite that old to be mac v sod but maybe he thinks you are could be could be I mean, you're a boomer.

Could be. But no, go check his podcast out. He's doing really good stuff. 221, Mark Graney. We had him in studio. You know, ironically, I had been, like, trying to get Mark for years, and Mark was, like, more elusive than, like, these super spooky CIA people that I'm trying to, like, you know, find them, and then I finally get a hold of them, and it takes me, like, time to convince

them. Like, maybe this is going to be a cool thing. Mark was so hard to getting it to nail down. And I had like friends of Mark. I had like other authors. I'm like, oh, you're at this writer's convention? Go to Mark Rainey and tell him that Jack Murphy's tired of you avoiding him or something like this. And eventually we made it happen. And I always say this out of love because I'm a big fan of Mark Graney's work. He writes the Grey Man series. I think you called him out on Twitter too. Did? I probably did numerous times. and you know i again i only i only do it because i because i love mark and i now is he the one who you like who you uh like good idea freder or like sent the will actually email to yeah on the

sr 25 yeah it wasn't a it wasn't a well actually it was like i was like mark it's he was a galley copy so it's before publication and it's like great book mark uh one thing you might want to fix you said the sr was 556 or 766 too and he's holding on of that he's holding on to it oh yeah yeah he should um okay episode 222 was frank de alicio uh former dea agent was infiltrating's what the satanic drug dealing motorcycle games that is fantastic neo nazi motorcycle gangs like holy shit yeah people got up a little upset about that one people were always a little upset man they did good i thought i thought frank was great and um we're going to have frank studio in

in 2024 and I believe he's bringing one of his DEA friends with him. Nice. Sorry,

not DEA, ATF. ATF. I don't know. I'm sorry if I said DEA earlier. I think you did, but it was ATAF.

ATF agent. Yeah. Which it was which was really interesting because I knew the DEA did a lot of deep cover stuff like that. But obviously

almost all you hear from ATF is Waco. Sort of the bullshit. Yeah. Waco. And to hear about them infiltrating these gangs

and really doing this deep cover stuff and I mean hanging it all out there. Really? You know hanging it all out there. Some lunatics Yeah. It was fascinating. Episode 223. That was the Andy Stumpf episode.

Andy was great. He was a great guest. Andy's just a lot of fun. He's fun to have on. He's, you know. I like him because he has a pretty dry wit, but he's pretty, you know, he's really quick. But yeah, it was a great episode. And then, you know, this is jumping around in time, but you and I flew out to Montana,

and we did the Andy Stumpf podcast out there in Kalespi. Yeah. Calespell. Calispell. And, yeah, so you guys can go check that out if you want. Dave and I are. That was a lot of fun, too. It was just kind of sitting around shooting the show.

2.24 was to complete the Wharf trifect, Gary Linderer. Yeah. So, yeah, Ken Miller, Larry Chambers, Gary Linderer. they wrote a series of books, I think it was Phantom Warriors, about the Lerps, about their platoon. And so Gary Linderer was the last of the three. And I mean, he was great. He was Silver Star recipient and some huge firefights in Vietnam. Episode 225 was I.S. Berry.

She's the novelist. She wrote The Peacock and the Sparrow. She's also a CIA case officer. and that was like one of my favorite novels of 2003, the peacock and the Sparrow. I hope you guys will check out the episode. Go check out her book, too. It was a really good read.

226 was Gary Harrington on for a second time. We had him here in studio. And I was fortunate enough to be here that time, yeah. Yeah, that was fun. The best stories were after he wrapped. Yes, that's true. He spilled some tea, some amazing tea that can never get out there. But it was...

Oh, the secret. We know. It was sick. Episode 2.27, I want to say this is one I missed. Yeah, you missed this. Nate Carachia? Is that the...

I think it's Cornaccia. Cornacia? Remind me of Nate again? Nate was a special for... Hold on me. I'm sorry. Again, like I said, TBIs... Oh, yeah, Nate. Okay.

No, go back. It's Nate. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, Nate was awesome. Yeah, I'm sorry I missed them. So go check out episode 227. And then 228 was Aaron Hale, EOD technician who got really, really badly injured in Afghanistan. Totally blind.

And now deaf, too, right? Because he lost his sight in the blast. And then the infection led to him losing his hearing. Right. And then he had the... implants and stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So you can hear it a little bit. Yeah. Incredible guy. Yeah. Fascinating. And still super, I mean, such a testament to like a human spirit.

I mean, my back hurts and I won't get out of bed for three days. You know, and, you know, and here's a guy who's blind and partially, mostly death and is, like, climbing. Live in life. He does a podcast. I went on his podcast. It was fun. Oh. went on his podcast?

Yeah, that was the clip that I told, Jack. Oh, right. Jack laughed at the clip of me talking shit about, like, what I was going to do with my life. What's his podcast called? Point of Impact. Cool. Yeah, go check it out. Yeah, Aaron was really cool, man.

229, Ranger Hall of Fame inductee Tommy shook. Tommy was, he was in Vietnam, and then he was with the Rangers. He bounced there. It was interesting that he, back in the early. days before like a lot of these things were formalized like Tommy's one of these interesting guys who his career he was able to jump between Ranger Battalion and special forces and do a little bit of both and he was on the Greenlight teams also at one point yeah episode 230 we had Aaron Schwartzbaum here in studio for an update on Ukraine Aaron is a Russia expert

that was a really good episode needed after you know the previous episode it was a year prior a lot had happened between it was just after uh progosian got smoked yeah yeah yeah uh 231 was a former hr t sniper chris whitcomb had him here in studio um man that was another one of those like mega four hour wild ride yeah four hours and 20 minutes yeah yikes and we could have got another four hours yeah like yeah uh episode 232 was Hudson Sullivan, who was an American foreign fighter in Ukraine. And actually, we're going to see him at our Christmas party this Friday. He's coming down.

233 was Dan Blakely, Army Ranger. You want to grab his book there real quick, Dave? Yeah, some great Ranger stories. And he also put together this great, like, photo montage, photo and essay book, really. Yeah, it's basically a great copy. coffee table book, but it's, you know, it's Vignance basically maybe two pages or three pages

where it just talks about, you know, veterans, you know, combat or wartime veterans and what they're doing today, like how their lives have transitioned, things like that. And it's also Steve is in this book. Oh, cool. Yeah, it's a fantastic book where it just has

you know, incredible photography, you know, these portraits and then just their personal stories about what they did after the war you know what what life looks like after that cool that's really cool 234

David McCloskey he was former CIA analyst author of his latest book is Moscow X had him on the show we actually talked a lot about his time working Syria when the Civil War was happening honestly that was like the best part of the

I was expecting like oh we're going to talk about the book the whole time even though the book is awesome yeah but I love the uh the Syria your talk. Yeah, his insights into that conflict was like, it was very helpful for me to help understand what was going, like, especially

like what the American intelligence community was like thinking, what they were looking at that time. We'll have to revisit that at some point. And I'm sure we'll have David on again. You know, he's still writing. Actually, his, I think he announced his third book. Yeah, it's the one he was talking about where there's a mole

on the seventh floor. Yeah, yeah. Which sounds pretty cool. That sounds like it'll be an interesting one. Episode 235 was the Brent Tucker episode. Brent was his background. He started off in Special Forces National Guard, and then he was a Delta operator. Also spent a lot of time in Syria and Afghanistan.

And Brett came to prominence through his calling out of Robbyniew on his podcast, the Anti-Hero podcast. Yeah, that was a great episode. No, Brent's a cool dude. He seems like a super down-to-earth gas. I agree right yeah no I really liked him 236 was doc Osgood author of is the book

Hawk recon yeah it's right behind you hawk recon um again another Vietnam memoir Doc's a man dude yeah just uh he gave us a chance to plug our Patreon during the show was perfect no he did it's interesting too because

you know we're going back to time where special operations as a concept you know special forces it was special operations but it was a it was a you know it had a specific function but and we talk about macb sogs but there are units in 101st and yeah there are units there are units that are creating these specialty teams uh that are doing special operations and you know so we would think of it today yeah You know, going out there and hanging it all on the line that, you know, we tend to forget about. This is another one. I'm sorry, I missed.

Robin Horsefall, S-A-S. Yeah. No, that was a fantastic episode, and it's so rare to get somebody from the S-A-S or the SBS on. And, yeah, Robin was just, like, a peach of a dude. I spoke to him on the phone a few times. He seemed like a super, like, articulate, smart guy. Yeah. And we started late.

We started at seven. and he's in the UK and he hung in for over two hours yeah wow yeah yeah I'm sorry I missed that one he sounded like such a nice guy when I talked yeah he really was it was a fantastic episode 238 was Pasha Monroe

SBS operator yeah and he was great too and again another like perspective we hadn't had an SBS guy on the show Pasha was so much fun yeah like he's just a dude who just has he's just like a dude dude. He's like a bloke.

You know, he's like, he's like a dude you just want to sit and drink and hang out with. Yeah, he's a great dude. Another guy who had like a very like human story. Yeah, you know, very human origin story. Yeah. And really, you know, I guess just through sheer determination. Yeah. Really turned himself into something.

Yeah. Really impressive. Yeah, great story. Episode 239 was Daniel Devine, who was a crew chief with 160. And man, that guy had some really insightful stories too. The ones that stand out for me actually are the Philippines. Yeah. Because there's some stuff that I had heard from like a different perspective

and then hearing kind of like an insider from the one-sixthead inside. I'm like, oh, that's how that happened. Yeah. Yeah. He was great. 240? We had Mike Edwards in studio. Mm-hmm.

That was probably the third time we've had Mike on the show. Yep. Yeah, third time. But the first two... We're remote. We're remote. second one was with his wife, right? And then this time he is in studio.

And he's just such a great person. Like he's so fun to hang out with. Yeah, Mike's solid. Yeah. Always been a solid guy. Yeah. And yeah, he's a good dude and, you know, hopefully we need to have him back again sometime. 241.

I think you may have missed this one, actually. This was Yaya Finusi. Yeah, because Jason Lyons guest hosted. on that one. Right. You had a wedding. There you go. Oh, right.

Yeah, not mine. Like, hey. Yeah, yeah was a, oh my gosh, I want to say he was actually an economics analyst. Yeah, for CIA. Yeah. And then he spent time at NCTC. He was really good, a really smart guy. Really smart.

Yeah. Yeah, really good story. And, you know, I don't know if anyone is keeping track or even cares, but like what we're trying to do here is, like, establish a little cell of people who can like come and guest host on the show when like either I can't make it or Dave can't make it or something goes really wrong neither of us can make it so like people like Andy Milburn can't have me fucking guest host Andy Milburn what am I going to say uh Jason Lyons maybe like one or two other alternates we'd like to have like people who can come in and do that and one of the reasons for that it's not that neither I mean Jack is a far better interviewer than I am

but I can get through it on my own. I don't know. You did three episodes that are like the best sellers for the year. Well, but what I'm saying, though, is one of the reasons we like to have these guest hosts is one, it mixes it up a little bit, too. Yeah, yeah. And as a live podcast that can go to two to three hours, it's really great to have a second perspective of somebody else bring in the questions. Yeah, definitely. You know, because I will obviously just talk about the color of their socks.

I'd be fascinated by that. 242 was Brad Thomas. Brad came in. He was an operator. He was a ranger. He was an RRD guy. And what's the name of his band? Silence and Light.

Yeah, so go check them out. It was great having him here. It was fantastic. Yeah, he was so good. We're still eating the Halloween. Wean candy he brought. We're almost done with it. Even though he pawns some of those whoppers off on us. Like, don't think I don't know what you were doing there, Brad. But I enjoyed the rest of them. Wait, you don't like whoppers? No. I think we need to discuss this for a second. I don't know if I love

them either. Okay. All right. I know there's a problem here because you guys both order turkey sandwiches when there's other meat in the deli. Go get the woppers off the top of the microwave. I'm taking all the woppers. Go get them now. I want to see them eat them. No, we have issues right now. We're not going to leave until you eat the whole path. I just want to know there is beef in this studio right now. Turkey and non-woppers, there are problems. I can't believe you eat woppers, man.

Woppers are amazing, man. Yeah, go ahead, Dave. Especially when you get the deformed ones. They didn't quite, like they have a density to them. Woppers are great. There's a problem with you guys. So look, don't get mad at us. Look at the camera. Thank Brad for the Woppers.

Brad, thank you for the Woppers. And I apologize for the Jamokes. I apologize. 243 was Pete Blaber. Pete just wrote his third volume of Common Sense Leadership. And that book, the new one, is a lot about the Pat Tillman ambush.

So we had him on talking about his career and his book. And actually, I would like to have Pete on again because we kind of cut him off at like... We didn't even get to the G-WAT. Yeah. Yeah, exactly, because I didn't want to, I wanted to make sure we talked about his new book. Pete was such a, for me personally, Pete was such an interesting, like, loop, because I believe, did he say it was the S3 or, Pete was an officer. He had already been an officer at, you know, at the unit.

and then when I was a new ranger he was an officer in battalion and people would talk about him and hushed whispers you know in the chow hall oh he's been been behind the fence and so it was such kind of a

and he didn't know who I was because I was some you know nothing E4 at the time but it was such a cool sort of loop to close in on right to hear the whole rest of the story beyond the whole rest

story about this person who was this sort of mythical being when I was in Ranger Battalion. He seemed like a good guy. Pretty down-to-earth dude. Yeah. 244 was John Dovey, who served in the South African

Defense Forces and then the South African National Defense Forces, Sandif. So, when the government changed over there, spent like 35 years in the South African military. Yeah, I mean, those were like incredible insights. Yeah. From somebody who spent a long, long time there from like the external stuff and the border war in Angola and then the internal and the village unrest that was going on.

It's such an education and a time that, you know, like I remember, you know, the whole don't place on city. Like the whole sort of, you know, of one aspect of what was going on in that, and not just South Africa, but, you know, in that region. But so much of it is buried and lost to history without these guys, I think. Yeah, no, absolutely. Or it doesn't get talked about. Right. Right. Yeah.

I'm glad we could have them on. Yeah, absolutely. 245, we had Greg Coker on the show for a second time. Yeah, with his knives. Yeah, mostly talking about his knife work. Holy cow. I mean, that guy, first off, his story is amazing. Yeah.

Secondly, his knives are gorgeous. And Blades for Brothers? Yeah, Blades for Brothers, his organization to help veterans and first responders, like develop new hobbies, a new craft that has actually helped him in a measurable way through cognitive tests and whatnot. Yeah, Blades for Brothers definitely worth supporting. And also go check out his knives. I mean, his knives are beautiful. Those of you who are like affectionados who are really into that stuff, I mean, you're going to love what he does.

246 was William Yeski We have his book Damn the Valley was the name of his book He was in 82nd Infantrymen A lot of Afghanistan stories Had him in studio He was awesome Yeah, fantastic

Yeah, he was great 247 was Zach Dorfman The KGB spies infiltrating Silicon Valley Which unfortunately, even though D&I were here for And Jack wasn't we couldn't be a part of it because we had a hot mic in the studio that we could not fix. Yeah, we couldn't figure it out. It was going to sound horrible if we plugged in the studio audio.

We did a, it was just a Zoom to Zoom interview. Yeah. Thankfully, yeah. Improvise. Thank God Jack was like. So Dee and I just sat in the studio giving each other massages while Jack talked to Dee. Or how Jack talked is that? Yeah, go check out his podcast about it.

It's like a limited series. It's like six episodes. about, you know, somebody who committed acts of treason and stealing industrial secrets from Silicon Valley. Episode 248 and episode 249 was with Mike Vickers, author of By All Means Available, as his memoir. Legend. Yeah, I mean, 10th Special Forces Group,

CIA paramilitary officer, then went on to be the Assistant Secretary for Special Operations of Low Intensity Conflict, and the Undersecretary for Defense Intelligence. Yeah. And I'm really glad. I mean, he was very gracious with his time. Yeah.

Two episodes and two weeks with us. They were great, so please go check those out. $250, I missed it. Mark, sorry, Mark. What happened? But you're not sorry because you said you don't miss Mark. I was just like being polite. Yeah, no, it's fantastic.

You know, Mark worked the, you know, sort of Israeli Ghaz, Israeli Hamas desk, or that was one of the issues that he dealt with during his time at the CIA. So he was very, very familiar with the region, with the politics, with the issues. I mean, and, you know, obviously you can see through the comments, if you guys look, sort of like Milburn's comments. There are a lot of people with a lot of opinions. but I feel like Mark is a very, you know, he's a very balanced person, you know. He called out the problems with Netanyahu, but also nothing of that deals, you know, matters with the Hamas attack. And so we talked about that.

He caught us up on what's going on with Ukraine and Russia and some of the challenges going on with the funding there. And also not just the funding. but what that funding has equated to, what it's amounted to. Yeah, and he's health-wise, he's doing better if you guys are keeping up with his Havana syndrome stuff. But, yeah, he's fantastic. And then this Friday, we're not going to have an episode. We're having our company Christmas party. But we might go live for like 15 minutes or something.

Yeah, we might do something a little bit. During the show. Wait, I thought we were doing, I thought we were doing Melissa's. episode. That's next week after that, after this. Oh. Yeah. Well, we said Merry Christmas because I thought it was a Christmas episode. Yeah, I think it's the day

between Christmas and New Year's that episode. Oh, yeah. The Christmas tree's still up. It's okay. Yeah, yeah. Well, anyway, if you're actually watching this episode and you've made it this far, make sure you watch Melissa's episode.

That's going to be 251. Melissa Nehara She is a badass Badass awesome episode It was great Yeah you guys are going to love her Yeah And that brings us up to this episode

The 2020 Year in Review What? It's awesome man I mean it's like three pages And names here man We made it It was a lot

Yeah I think it was a good year It was a really good year It was a really good year So In 2024 I mean we're scheduled into March. I'm trying to finalize the second half of March right now, actually, with some really exciting people. But the people we have locked in right now, we got a Marsock dude,

some Special Forces guys. We have a soft weather guy, combat weatherman. We got several CIA, former CIA officers. As I mentioned, Frank Dale Alicio will be here in studio. We have Pat O'Donnell coming up. That's in June. You're right. You're right. But that's a ways out. Oh, that's a way. I thought it was in February. No, no. That book needs to come out.

No, yeah. We do have him booked, but that's going to be. I thought it was in February. That's going to be a ways out. We have some Rangers, another 160th pilot, another MacB. Saug guy. There are a couple other lurps that I need to reach out to in schedule, who are also talented authors. I want to get that locked in for 2024.

And then we went out to dinner last week and talked about, like, you know, the dream guests, like, the people we want to have on. And I don't know if I want to, like, start throwing names out there of people who we haven't even spoken to yet. But I have high hopes. Yeah. Set in the bar high. And I thought that because we talked about that on Andy Stump's show, too, about dream guest. And I thought his dream guest was. W.

was a very good you know very interesting from the idea of what did you think about all this like what did you actually know what was he until you were getting in it would be absolutely fascinating to like yeah sit down with W we're talking about President Bush

and like I've never heard him sit down and do like a retrospective yeah you know just like yeah this is kind of how it happened this is what happened and then this and that and I don't think did George Bush write a memoir

or anything? Yeah, I think he did when he first got out, yeah. They usually do. Has the president ever actually sat down and talked about what went wrong or what decision,

what I think what I don't want to say bad decisions because obviously a president makes decisions on the information they get. Yeah, he came out the memoir it's called decision points. Interesting. You know, I think the former president

sometimes are very reticent. to speak publicly about this stuff, including national security stuff. Yeah. Partly as like some sort of like decorum, like they don't want to fuck with the current administration. Right. Because like if you're out there kind of like talking smack or not talking smack,

but it could like kind of undermine what they're trying to do. Yeah. So I think it's like a matter of like not policy but like decorum that they normally don't go out and do that so much. It's also kind of rightly or wrongly it might be shitting, on the people who feed them their information because the president is not the one out there collecting but you're the guy who's charged analyze it right yeah and at the end of the day all you can trust is the information you get um but i mean now we're talking you know 20 plus years after the fact right it

would be a good time for a historical retrospective on that i agree you know that's that's very like just neutral and you know we don't need to the the the emotion has subsided at least a little bit. Yeah. There's still a lot of anger out there. And I'm curious if we hadn't have gotten involved in Iraq, if Afghanistan would have gone any differently. That's a great question. It's a great question.

I mean, nobody will ever know, right? Like, it's all subjective now. It's all, you know, conjecture or whatever. But it's interesting to think if we hadn't have been waging this two front war, would Afghanistan have been different? Maybe, maybe not. Yeah, it's interesting. That'd be a great question to ask them. Yeah.

Um, otherwise, what's coming in 2024? We're still batting around the idea of doing a new intro, uh, new merch is something I need to get off my ass on and work on that. We all sit on their asses at some point. I know I do. What, uh, what else? What else do you guys want to do in 2024? Maybe a new podcast, different, a little bit different. Maybe we'll see.

We've been batting that around with, like, talking about it. I mean, it would be, and, listen, we're just like spit bulls. in here. We haven't even like formalized or really like come up with any idea we're attached to but like one idea is to like find somebody else. I mean maybe one of the people who guest hosts for us to come

in and do their own show like midweek and they would bring in their own guests or have their own type of content in the national security. Sure yeah. Dee and I have talked about doing movie stuff just because Dee is brilliant with movies and I watch a ton of them. I watch a ton too. I'm not that good.

I made one movie. you did one movie these movies called Jimbo where can people find that you can find it on YouTube it's on YouTube just there I might put it back on Amazon Prime it's a great like it's a great

indie heist film it's a crime film ideally I'd love to revisit the gaming idea at some point we just need to be you know we just need to be we need to be I think smart and how we do it to find committed people

and and not just people who are committed in the idea that they'll be here when they said they're going to be here, but also committed in the sense that they'll read the real books. Like they, that they know. Engaged with it.

That they want to be it. I really miss gaming. I had two campaigns going at the same time. And now they're kind of concluded or wound down and I would love to get back into it. Yeah. I remember was it did I make a deal or did I

get taken over. Remember when I played the warlock? They almost fucked everybody up? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, one of my online campaign on fantasy grounds, and you played in the very first one, I think, and your character got killed. Yeah. And then I brought you back

like 50 games later your resurrected form came back. A witch had resurrected you. Yeah. You were just like taxing that ass beating up the other player characters. I actually didn't kill them all in tension. Like, I was like, I was like, I don't want to, I don't want to do a, like, a full party, like, a full

party wipe here. Yeah, I don't think, I don't think the players realized until later when I told them, like, that you were, their lives were in your hands. Yeah. Like, as a DM, I was just like, if you killed them, you were killing them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I remember that. That was one of the funest parts of that entire campaign, actually. Um, but yeah, uh, I know, I would, I would love to, like, if we can work out something like, that works. Yeah. do it. Yeah. Well, we'll do a game for episode 300, a little trial run, see how it goes. And I don't know who the other players are going to be yet. We got to work on that one too. I'm down to be a player. Yeah. I never played D&D. Okay. I think D.D. would be a great player. I mean,

Lana's down, our, you know, her former guest and, you know, she's been, she's... I bet she'd be down for it, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Lana's fun. Yeah, it'd be a good time. So that's 2023. I was going to say in a nutshell, but we've probably gone for like a four and a half. Yeah. It's a big ass nut. Yeah. But thank you everyone who, like, joined us in 2023.

Everyone who watched the show, you know, shared these episodes. So we got 18 million views this year? On YouTube, yeah. Wow. That's a lot. Yeah, it's looking at the stats. It's pretty good.

18.4 million views. Hello. Yeah. um and thank you for supporting the channel keeping us going like the team house is a thing now thanks for saying hi to us in airports when you recognize us walking through like i get off on the fame all the you know all of you guys that are you know give me the flash all of it and uh yeah and people who you know have sent us guest suggestions yeah like hey i know this dude you got to talk to them and and sometimes it doesn't pan out for various reasons but sometimes it

The results are awesome. Yeah. You never know. Yeah. Keep them coming, you know. Especially, I'd love to feature, like, more women on the show. So, like, if you know women in the intelligence community and special operations, I'm searching. I don't get that.

You're in a happy relationship. I am in a happy. I'm in a happy. I'd like to have more happy Team House podcast relationships with women. I see. Okay. Expand our reach a little bit. there's this running joke about this place being a man cave with testosterone level

I mean it is a man cave and there is a lot of testosterone but look I mean the women we have on have a lot of testosterone like they're they're badass women you know it doesn't matter if they're an analyst and an operator or an intelligence officer or whatever else like they're badass so so that's it guys I'm looking forward to 2024 hope you are hope to see you here on the show and that's it final thoughts guys I'm excited for 2024. I'm ready to go. I'm ready.

Peace.