The Three Questions with Andy Richter - Hank Green

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

Hank Green has amassed billions of views on YouTube across his various channels. He is a New York Times best-selling author, as well as a musician, comedian, and serial entrepreneur. He is also an outspoken activist and one of the most popular science educators on the planet. He joins Andy Richter this week to discuss his passion for science, the early days of YouTube, turning down Hollywood, maintaining an allegiance to truth, writing a book inspired by his cancer journey, and much more.Do you want to talk to Andy live on SiriusXM’s Conan O’Brien Radio? Tell us your favorite dinner party story (about anything!) - leave a voicemail at 855-266-2604 or fill out our Google Form at BIT.LY/CALLANDYRICHTER. Listen to "The Andy Richter Call-In Show" every Wednesday at 1pm Pacific on SiriusXM's Conan O'Brien Channel.

Hey everybody, welcome back to The Three Questions. I am your host Andy Richter and today I am talking to Hank Green. Hank is a YouTube creator, New York Times bestselling author, comedian, educator, and entrepreneur. If you ask me, it's too much. He does too much. He was an early adopter of YouTube with his brother John creating the Vlogbrothers channel in 2007 and the Crash Course channel in

2012 amassing billions of views. With his brother John he also founded VidCon, the world's largest conference about online videos. His comedy special, Pissing Out Cancer, is available now on the dropout streaming service and you can find his books at HankGreen.com or wherever you get books. Just don't buy them on the dropout streaming service and you can find his books at HankGreen.com or wherever you get books. Just don't buy them on the street. Here's my conversation with Hank Green. All right, well here we go. All right, well here we go. All right, well here we go. Born William Henry Green II on May 5th, 1980 in Birmingham, Alabama.

Birmingham. Birmingham. Look, I'm not a good reader. And then raised in Orlando, Florida. Orlando. Wow. Speaking of Shaq, we were just talking about Shaq. Yeah, yeah.

He was like, I was living in Orlando when Shaq started with the magic. How long did you live in Orlando for? My entire childhood. So I left to go to college. Oh, to go to college. Oh, okay. And why Birmingham to Orlando?

Oh, that was not, I mean, obviously not my choice. Right. I was simply born there. I think that, I think, if I'm remembering the story correctly, my mom just like they went to Birmingham because that's where my mom's family was to have the baby. They had the baby and then they moved to Florida

where the plane was to start a new job there. One of those Alabama anchor babies, eh? So you have a plane. I needed that Alabama citizenship. So that I could say y'all without getting in trouble. What was in Atlanta for your folks? In Orlando. Orlando, sorry.

It's different. It's been a long day. Oh, you know, you get one. My dad was starting as the Florida State Director of the Nature Conservancy. Oh, wow. Yeah. Wow.

So he was starting that chapter. So there was no Florida chapter of the Nature Conservancy. He started it out and applied for that job and got that job and was doing that. And why Orlando for the, I would think closer to the Everglades. Central. Oh, is that what it is?

Yeah, you wanna be able to, it's a big state. You don't get how, like going from Key West to Tallahassee is like going from Tallahassee to Chicago. It's wild. Yeah, yeah. So I think the idea was to be central. I see. And he had to go all over the place all the time.

He like got a pilot's license so he could get around the state. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's gotta be kind of fun. And I mean, you must've had- It was fun and interesting. And like, I got like exposure to like working scientists, like conservationists in the world

that are dragging me around to like see cool stuff. It was also kind of a depressing job because this was the 80s and 90s when Florida went from being fairly wild and agricultural to very, and it still has happened, like very developed and draining the swamps to make strip malls and agricultural to very, and it still has happened, like very developed and draining the swamps to make strip walls and stuff.

Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. And was it hard on him? Like did it feel like your dad was fighting a losing battle? There was a bit of a losing battle vibe that there was always a loss. There was always a loss right in the rear view. Like you're always putting them behind you. And then I think there was also a loss. There was always a loss right in the rear view. Like you're always putting them behind you. And then I think there was also just the demands

of a small nonprofit working very scrappy, working too many hours a week, traveling too much, not being home enough. So eventually he decided to not do that anymore. And what did he go to? For a little while there was a documentary filmmaker. Oh, wow. After that.

But then transitioned from that into commercial real estate appraisal so that we could have enough money to do all of the things. To actually have a life. Yeah. Yeah, documentary film is very much a, nobody's ever gotten to that business to make bank and also basically no one ever has.

So it's not even that you can't expect it, it's that it doesn't happen. Right, right, right. Yeah, even like Frederick Wiseman had to ask money for every single thing he did. Yeah. Always directing commercials on the side is what documentary filmmakers are doing. Exactly. And I always sometimes I gotta tell you, I've been around a while,

and often when people tell me they're documentary filmmakers, I kind of think that just doesn't mean they're doing much. That's not a nice thing to say. I know it's not, but I say that sometimes. The thing about making a film, like a documentary film, is like taking hundreds of hours of footage and cutting it into 90 minutes or 60 or 20 or 30 or whatever. It's too easy to never get it done.

It's such, it's so easy. Cause like you're trying to like weave all of these different things together and you're doing sound and you've only got what you got to work with, but there's always more that you forgot that you had or you're doing sound and you've only got what you got to work with, but there's always more that you forgot that you had or you can go out and get more.

And you don't have somebody going, you've got to have this done by December. It's very much like writing a novel except there's, I don't know, you could always be making it better. God bless my dad for finishing films. God bless him, yeah, yeah. Is he still with us? He is. Oh.

Yeah, he's- And are they still in Florida? They live in Indianapolis now. You know, well, they went from a tropical paradise. There's Indianapolis people listening right now. I know, I know. Listen, my dad lives in Bloomington, so I'm fairly familiar with central Indiana. It is the most American part of America.

It certainly is. It's if you just average America. With everything that means. Yeah, yeah. Everything that means. Cheap gas and fireworks, that's the main thing. We got all the chains, every chain. They start here and they radiate out.

They sure do. Yeah, no, Indiana is really kind of... The crossroads of America. Well, in Bloomington especially because it's a university town, but then the townies are like, they're like hill people. You might as well be in Appalachia with a lot of the people in Bloomington. It's striking because you think, oh, in the Midwest, Oh, Indiana, the Midwest. It's like, no, no, think Tennessee, you know, think the holler, uh, cause that's, yeah, that's what Southern Indiana

is a lot. And it's a beautiful, it's a gorgeous place. Southern Indiana just generally is gorgeous. It is called Bloomington. Yeah. And Bloomington is a beautiful little city. But I mean just that sort of areas, all forests and caves and just really, really pretty. Yeah, that's where the people come from out of the caves. That's right. One of my favorite things about Southern Indiana is there's a town that was settled by French people and they were from Norbonne, you know, N-O-R-B-O-N-N-E, and that town is

now called Gnawbone. G-N-A-W-B-O-N-E. Oh man, Gnawbone. Gnawbone. That sounds like Tennessee type stuff. No, that bone dead. No bone. That sounds like Tennessee type stuff. No, that's Indiana. Yeah, well, Florida's a little like that too, where you just go a little north of Orlando,

suddenly you're in the deep south. Absolutely. Yeah, Bithlo was very, we'd go up to Bithlo sometimes. Yeah, yeah. Once sat down at a diner in Bithlo with my dad, and two guys sat down at the same table. We were in a booth, and the diner filled up. So they seated two guys at down at the same table. We were in a booth and the diner filled up. So they seated two guys at our booth with us.

Without asking, they're just like, these fellows are gonna sit here. They were like, can these people join you? And I'm like, yeah, that's apparently how they, we are not gonna say no, that'd be weird. And so these two older Vietnam vets sat down with us. Big beards, Bithlo, Florida. And during the course of the lovely brunch

that we had with these men at a very Bithlo diner, it became clear that they were a couple. And they met in Vietnam and moved to Bithlo to be together. Wow. Wild. That's crazy. Yeah, and I was like, oh, all right. I'm like seeing the world out here.

Yeah, yeah. No, that's, it was in the town that I grew up in, there was a gay couple that lived way out in the country on an old farm. No, it was, I mean, it was crazy. And they refinished furniture and they, um, refinished furniture and they, they would like, and cause my mom was always refinishing furniture,

they would dip it. They'd had like some sort of giant tank of caustic stuff that you dip it in there. And, but we'd go, I mean, as an, and as a kid, cause my dad's gay, so I'm familiar with the gays. Um, but, but it was just, I mean, in thinking back on it, it was the only gay couple, visibly gay couple anywhere, but everybody knew them.

And it was just, it's very, you know, it's quite a different world now. Do you think that, uh, seeing your dad be, you know, kind of through your childhood, having sort of like a rough relationship with environmental science. Like, was that daunting to you then when you started to really feel like

you wanted to follow in his footsteps? You know, I think that we were sheltered enough from it. And my mom worked in community activism and sustainability too, and was always sort of struggling against something, mad about something, mad at someone, dealing with somebody, taking advantage of someone else. Yes.

She is not one to let an injustice go by my mom. Right. And so, but because like we were sort of by virtue of her work and my dad's work, we were involved in like the sort of upper like class stuff in Orlando. And when, oh man, my mom would not let a person just be racist the way that I think a lot of people did then. And so that, but like we were sheltered enough from that,

that like, it always felt like that was the, just the right way to go. Yeah. And it was what they, and like we, they'd always be very proud of us with like kind of whatever we did. Right, right. We had a great family in that way.

But if we were sort of heading in those kinds of directions. It was kind of the family business. It was a bit of the family business. Yeah, yeah. And working a lot in what they call the third sector. What does that mean? It's the nonprofit. So there's a private sector and there's government.

I gotcha. I thought it was just countries that didn't have Wi-Fi. So yeah, which we still, my brother and I both still do in a lot of ways, mostly in fundraising way. But you, while you were doing sort of, because you do, well, I mean, it's, you're hard to pin down because you've done. I don't know, I've exhausted my mind. I was just telling someone before you got here, I was like, this is a guy that just

goes and does stuff. I do do that. It's a problem. You really do. And it's amazing. It's not a super relaxing way to live a life. I know, but I mean, but it is amazing and it's enviable. And it's something that I admire much in other people because I can really not do anything, you know,

when left to my own devices. I mean, I'll make a nice dinner, but you know. You're here? Yeah, I know, but it's- You're at it. I can really not do anything when left to my own devices. I'll make a nice dinner. You're here. Yeah, I know, but it's- You're at it. But I mean, when I look down, it's like- You don't need to be doing this anymore.

But you know- Just because your voice sounds nice doesn't mean you have to make a buck. Well, I know, but I got no other scams. I honestly, you have a lovely voice. Oh, thank you. You just have a nice sound. You sound like, it's like a bike, but old. Like a good old bike. Like a tank in a Trump military parade.

A Trump rally tank. Kind of squeaky, but also kind of fun, you know? I'm not scared of it. Well, thank you. No, I can get away, like I can, very frequently, I will hear people will say, I didn't know that was you until you started talking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't even, well, I don't like listening to myself.

I don't like looking at myself and just generally, which I'm not, I don't even, well, I don't like listening to myself. I don't like looking at myself and just generally, which I'm not, I don't care to even. We don't need to get into it, but we can. But no, because it's like, I don't even want to. It's like, no, no, no, it just kind of is. At this point. Yeah, and it's like, I don't care. I've worked on a lot of things.

Yes, precisely. I don't need to work on that. Precisely, exactly. I don't have the time on that. Precisely. Exactly. I don't have the time left to fix that one. It's like, oh, that sink drips? Well, the roof works. Fuck yeah, man.

Yeah. But I do, I have noticed, and I mean, because Conan does an impersonation of me. Oh, no. It's like this. You know, it just sounds like Roseanne or something. What a rude man. He's just, he's very mean. He's very small.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Can't you tell my love's a grown woman? No, but you were studying biochemistry. That's true. And then a master's in environmental science. But while you're doing that, you're designing and creating websites for yourself and other people.

True. I mean, come on. What, having a job during school? Who would have thought? Well, but it also too, and I mean, maybe this is just like non, I actually, I am more like I'm not math, but I was kind of science, like I'm not math, but I was kind of science,

like I like biology and. Yeah. But it just doesn't like, I guess coding to me seems like such an immersive thing. It's not, it's not. I mean, there's many ways to do it. Yeah. There's this sort of computer science way

where you understand really deeply of lots of things that are going on and you can sort of like plot between different programming languages. And then there's the way where you just like copy paste out of GitHub and look at what other people have done and be like, I'm going to do that, but like change the color a little. So it was more of a process of like developing a design sensibility, one. And then the other big thing was just learning how to manage clients, which was the hard part.

Yeah, yeah. I had no idea how to deal with, like, expectations that could not be met. I didn't know how to communicate my ability. Like, all that stuff was very on the fly. How did you stumble into that as a side gig while you're studying? I did it for myself at first. Yeah. So I knew how to do things.

A lot of this happened during my graduate degree, and at that point I was involved in various environmental nonprofits in Missoula, which is where I lived then and still do. That's in those early 2000s?, and this is early 2000s? This would have been early 2000s. Okay. And all of those places had terrible internet presences.

So just like getting their mailing lists in a usable database that like had connection between physical addresses and email addresses. Those things were separate databases. So a lot of what I got paid for is just integrating databases together. Right. And then, um, they're the, uh, like just getting a website together that said what they did.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, and like they, they thought, wow, that's amazing that that could exist. And yeah, that took me four hours. Yeah. That doesn't look like whatever it is, a 64-bit video game. It was like a frog gif. Yeah, because as it is, I mean, as you're saying it,

I do remember back in those years of where there were websites, and then it would just be something like a furniture maker, and you click on it, and it would just be like, it would look like a grade school worksheet, basically, but an electronic version of it, yeah. You started a blog too, EcoGeek, while in graduate school. And it was sort of tech about the environment?

I, it was, after I started getting into environmentalism, like really, I did getting into environmentalism, like really, I did start to see how horrible and frustrating it was. It's a process of always pushing the loss off. Like you never all the way win. You're like, we've protected this land for now. Who knows what's gonna come next. Or we've minimized. Minimized some. Who knows what's gonna come next. Right, right. Or we've minimized.

Minimized some hard. Lead, sorta. Yeah, well. There's still a little lead. I will say, there've been lots of winds. There's been lots of winds, but like the big winds are very hard. Yeah.

And you know, as far as like climate change goes, which we were very concerned about then, remain concerned about 20 years later, and I cannot believe it's been 20 years. This is a big deal, big, very hard, very hard problem to solve and like full awareness that we were not gonna solve it in time for there to be no negative consequences. Even back then we knew that and we know it now still.

And how bad is it gonna be? As bad as we let it get. So like seeing that, there was so much burnout in this business that I was in, and I was feeling it too, that I started this thing kind of in large part as like, okay, so it turns out changing people, like people changing is so hard. Technology changing, actually much easier. And so looking at, you know, solar panels and electric cars and wind turbines,

and at this point, this was like all very nascent technology that has now kind of exploded in the last 10 years that gave me an outlet that did not feel as hopeless. Yeah, I was going to say there is some sort of like, hopefulness about solar panels and the proliferation of solar power. And it is, it's so, like, by far the easiest way to decrease the heat of the Earth right now would be just no more cows. Let's not have any more cows. Yeah, I know. Maybe we could have dairy cows, but like, let's not, certainly not have meat cows.

This is just a super inefficient, impossible. Yeah. And all that would take is everybody making a decision together. Yeah. Impossible. Yeah. Like it's not like impossible in a way that like even frustrates me.

I know that it's impossible. Right. Because like I've met people. Yes. And like that's not how we are. But it turns out making solar panels cheaper than wood is easier than that. Yeah.

And that's not what you would guess. Yeah, yeah. But it makes a kind of sense once you actually understand the situation. So that's a bit of a, you know, like there's parts of me that don't actually love that because of course I think that people are the, you know, like there's parts of me that don't actually love that because of course, I think that people are the, you know,

people aren't problems and like we are kind of the whole thing, like we are why we're here, we are why we're worried thing. So I, it can be easy for, I think, people in tech to think that people are to be designed around and not for. And I just kind of feel like this is how I was designing around people being like, well, we're not going to be able to stop burning coal. Turned out we could stop burning coal, but the solution had to be technological.

Right, right. Yeah, it is. It's crazy. I mean, it is amazing how like, to to me, just humanity and especially nowadays, just... We're pretty wild. We're capable. We're so capable of amazing things. We're still like meat monkeys.

Yes. We're still like angry, like shit-filled diaper creatures, you know? It's really amazing. I'm very forgiving of us, but only because I've worked on it. Yeah, yeah. Oh, really? Like as a psychological journey? I just need, I need to be, I had to spend time being like, you know what, actually, we're babies.

Yeah. We're so new at all of this. We've had planes for a hundred years. Yeah. Like that's a blink of human history. All of this is so new. Especially within our lifetimes. Yeah.

Like within our life, I mean- I mean yours. I mean, oh, come on, you're not that young. No, I mean, there's 14 years difference. Okay. But yeah, it's in my life, going from like seeing the first cell phone, I was, and I was, I was a young adult. I was working in film production in Chicago and the first one I saw was one of those over-the-shoulder

lunchbox cell phones. An art director that I knew was in the downtown paint store and I was like, you fucking asshole, there's a payphone right outside. You look like a like, you fucking asshole, there's a payphone right outside. You look like a tool, you know? And then, and now it's like, you know. Payphone, what payphone? Yeah, and now it's like, soon it'll,

the phone will just be grafted to our hand or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, it's- I'm just a little phone slut. Yeah, well, you're contributing to it with all your content. Oh, I sure am. Sometimes people hit me with like, oh my god, my screen time was so bad this week. It was like four hours a day.

And I'm like, oh, right. Well, I just won't talk about what mine was. I just won't tell you that I forget my child's name. Those are rookie numbers. Let me tell you. I get four hours in's name. Four. Those are rookie numbers, let me tell you. I get four hours in before breakfast, baby. I called him Macbook one day. Well, now, you and your brother started, now was your brother, did he go to school in Montana

with you? No. No, my brother actually went away to boarding school for high school. Wow. So we didn't live together. How come? Well, that's his story to tell. Look, buddy, this is a warts and all podcast. No, I mean, no, I mean, was it a happy thing or was it an opportunity that he took place?

He was not doing well in, he had tried a couple of schools in Orlando. Oh, I see. And it was not going well. And we, so he went up to Alabama to be, go to the boarding school that our cousins went to. Oh, okay. Yeah. So a little bit, just try something different.

Yeah, I think he needed a, he needed a shakeup, but he also needed like weird people in a weird situation. He needed like a different story to tell about himself. Yeah, yeah. I imagine Orlando is a strange place to be. Well, it's very normal if it's all you've ever known. No. I remember leaving Orlando and being like,

oh, like for the first time. Yeah, yeah. First time I like went to the grocery store in Montana. I was like, this is, there's something very different about the vibes here. Yeah, yeah. Like I was like checking out of the grocery store and they're like, tacos tonight, huh?

And I'm like, we're talking? Yeah. Is that allowed? Yeah, yeah. Can I speak to you? Yeah. Well, your brother, you guys started a vlog together, a YouTube channel.

Good pronunciation on vlog. Vlog. Not the best word. It's a terrible word. But at what point did you decide, because now you're on camera talent, like that's your main gig. And at what point did you decide like to do that?

Because it does, it takes, you know, to put yourself on camera, to put yourself in front of people, there is a certain something that it takes. Yeah. In our- Narcissism. Well, yeah.

Just the deep craving for attention. Listen, it's- Just needing it more than you need water. There's, and I mean, of course it's on a spectrum, but the, it's all selfish, People often say's all selfish, self-involved people. People often say that about me. No, but it's, you know, to get in front of people and say, especially like in a state, like in the setting that I'm, you know, that I came from, and you do stand up too.

So, you know, everyone in this room should be quiet. I'm going to stand higher than everyone and they're going to point a light at me. It's going to be the only light in the room and everyone's supposed should be quiet, I'm gonna stand higher than everyone and they're gonna point a light at me. It's gonna be the only light in the room and everyone's supposed to be quiet and listen to me. Like to think that you're entitled to that is really something. And so many people are like, you know what I want is that.

Yeah. I think I'd be, I look at, and that's how I like go to stand up and be like, wow, that's what I wanna be. I wanna be that person. Who's in control, conducting's what I want to be. I want to be that person who's in control, conducting me like I'm an instrument, an orchestra, but don't even know it.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how I had the chutzpah to upload a freaking YouTube video. At the time, there was so little YouTube and everything was pretty bad. There was some stuff that was very, I think actually very good, but most stuff was pretty bad.

And we, I had like the luxury of older brother, like I had this, I've always had this thing, like if John likes something and thinks that it's good, then it definitely is. Oh, okay. I gotta believe, like. That's a wonderful thing to have, honestly. then it definitely is. Oh, okay. I gotta just believe, like... That's a wonderful thing to have, honestly. It is so good.

Yeah, yeah. It's like, I could never have it for my own things. Like if I liked a band, I was like, I like this band. If John liked a band, I was like, this band is made of diamonds. It is unassailable. It is the hardest substance on earth. Is the goodness of this band.

Right. And, you know, in part that's because he has great taste. He has great taste in books, in music, in YouTube, in poetry. He's just has fantastic art. He's just like, that is a true thing about him. So I was never let down by this belief. And he was listening, he was like watching these YouTube channels. as a true thing about him. So I was never let down by this belief. And he was listening,

he was like watching these YouTube channels and he just thought that it was definitely the future and definitely good. And because John thought that it was definitely good, I thought that it was diamonds. I thought that it was like, Smosh was Lucille Ball, which not really, but not like that far off.

Yeah. And I have always, like from the very beginning, I was like, this is as important as the printing press. Like not out loud, but like in my head, I was like, this is a- You mean YouTube or the internet in general? I thought YouTube, it turns out, the internet in general. But like I didn't believe that as as a thing that I was interrogated. It's just a thing that I felt.

There will be museums about this in the future is a feeling that I had, and I get to be a part of the beginning of it. This is a new way of people getting information to each other and connecting. And other people on YouTube were not like that, mostly because they were people who wanted to be TV people or film people.

Like they wanted to be standup comedians or they wanted to be like, they wanted to be something that existed already. And John and I were always very lucky because we wanted to be YouTubers. And we never got seduced away into like starting it. Like people will come to us with TV deals. I remember being like a big downtown skyscraper in New York City.

They pitch us a show, and the show is basically, all right, each episode, one of you is gonna do something really gross and bad to the other one. And then the next episode, you're gonna one up and do an even grosser and badder thing to the other brother. And it'll be at an escalating tension of you doing gross, bad things to each other, eating candied roaches or whatever.

And I was like, I do not wanna like get paid less money, have no control and fear factor my brother for six months a year. Why would I know? Do you tell them that at the meeting or do you just politely say, well, we'll get back to you? At one point they wrote us an email and I wrote John a reply and I said

this number is missing at least one zero and I replied all it turned out Boy when that happens and then they were like well we can talk about that and then I was like well I'm never talking to you again because if you lowballed me an order of magnitude fuck you. Yeah Yeah, I do not want anything to do with your entire town, right? Right who lo me an order of magnitude? Fuck you. Yeah, yeah. I do not want anything to do with your entire town. Right, right. Who lowballs an order of magnitude? Yeah, yeah.

At least. Yeah, yeah. I was so mad. I was like very ashamed at first. And then when they replied, I was like, well, I'm never talking to you again. Right, exactly. Like I love Los Angeles.

I hate Hollywood. I'm sorry. It's a bad business. I understand. Yeah. I'm sort of there with you. I, it took me. This isn't a bad business. It seems like y'all at Team Coco

have figured out something really lovely. Oh, absolutely. It's, you know, you work with people you like. That's the secret to any business, you know? I mean, I've always said, like, whenever anybody complains, anybody from the outside of a particular endeavor will say like, well, you know, you're hiring your friends. I'm like, if I started a fucking hot dog stand, am I going to look for hot dog experts or am I going to hire my friends? And especially like the hot dogs are comedy and my friends are funny,

you know? So it's like, it doesn't make any sense to do anything other than that. And that's, you actually answered something that I was curious about because I still am of the old paradigm in that to me, I think, oh, you get big on YouTube and then you get a TV show, which is dumb old man stuff. And I still have it kind of programmed in me where, I mean, like, and I don't, and it's also too, because I'm largely naive about what's going on on, you know, who's big and who's, you know, I mean. It's all over the world.

Yeah. And then the kids now get big on TikTok and they want to be big on YouTube. Yeah. They're like, how do I get to YouTube where my heroes were when I was growing up? Yeah. Turns out they're actually right though, because it's terrible over on TikTok. It's a terrible place to make content. It's miserable.

Well, I mean, why don't they just get a YouTube channel and then, you know, like. Well, I don't, why don't they, I don't know. Why don't I just go get a TV show? Like, it turns out it's hard. No, but I mean. Making the transition from TikTok, I can talk to you about why making the transition

from TikTok to YouTube is so hard. Yes, please do, yeah, yeah. The big, and it comes down to why TikTok is so bad. If you try to move somebody off TikTok, TikTok will down rank that content. So if something ends a TikTok session, TikTok does not show that content to people. Wow.

If, and TikTok, because it gets so much data. So the amount of time that you would watch a YouTube video, you've probably watched 60 TikToks. So it knows so much. It knows 60 times more about your behavior. So it knows so much, it knows 60 times more about your behavior. So it knows almost instantly whether a video you just uploaded is gonna be one that gets two million views or 200.

And if your audience is responding to that with anything other than unbridled enthusiasm, so if you're asking them to check out your podcast or you're selling them a piece of merch, or if you're going on tour, all of these things that a creative person needs to make a living. Yeah. The only thing TikTok will promote is if you're

selling something through the TikTok shop. In that case, it doesn't matter how bad your video is, they will show it to 10 times more people than they normally would, because they want people to stay on TikTok and spend money while they're there. The lack of agency of a TikToker is wild. If you use TikTok regularly and a creator who you love doesn't show up on your for you page for a year, you never notice.

It's just, you don't have that deep of a relationship with any TikTokers usually, some people do, but it's rare to like develop a deeper relationship and then moving them to something new is impossible if you don't have that deeper relationship. People are so replaceable on that platform. People are super replaceable on YouTube,

but it's 10 times worth on TikTok. Because again of my naivete, so if you push, like if you're a comic I'm because again of my naivete. So if you push, like if you're a comic and you do silly little TikToks and you say, hey, by the way, I'm gonna be at the, you know, at the Lafateria next week. If you just make a video that's that. Yeah.

TikTok will know that your audience will not want to watch it the way they would normally want to watch a piece of content. So if you're telling people that I'm going to be at a club in LA, everybody who's not in LA just wiped away. Because they're not going to go to that show. Also most of the people in LA, because they're also not going to go to the show.

Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. But what you can do is post a clip and then at the end, post your little tour dates. Yeah.

That's what comics do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Can't you tell my love's a-growing? Is YouTube just an insurmountable fact of life now? Kinda, yeah. Yeah.

I mean, there's not gonna be a competition for YouTube. I remember when I was writing my first book, my editor was like, are you sure you wanna name YouTube as the platform that your character uses to upload her videos? And I was like, I think so. She's like, but this video, this book might not be out for a couple of years.

I almost called it a video. And I was like, no, no, no, YouTube will still be the big player in two years. And there was like a weird moment there where it actually felt like maybe April would have been uploading her first videos to TikTok. Uh-huh. And it felt like the video was no longer of the moment.

Yeah. I said the video again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jesus. It's all right. That's all it's what I make. It's all right. And then- I said Atlanta and you- Thank you, thank you.

You roasted me. And I was mean about it. Yeah. And then, but now it feels like it would again be YouTube. Yeah. It's come back around. Right, right, right. I think that the first platform, April, would want to be on is now YouTube again.

Yeah, I mean, because it's, what was the other, like, little short videos that people were doing that- Vines. Vines, yeah, yeah. Like Vine for a minute seemed like, oh, Vine, gotta get over to Vine. I did, I had somebody like at VidCon once shake me and say, I can't believe you're not on Vine, it's the future. And I was like, okay, and I made some Vines,

and I was like, I'm not good at this. That's not my format. But turns out that was the right call. Yeah, I mean, and I don't even fully understand the difference, like why Vine, why TikTok and not Vine? They do sound like an old man. I know, I'm telling you. But again, the roof is not leaking.

Yeah. The roof is holding. He's got a green light. I don't know how to... He got those copper shingles up there. If the Wi-Fi stops beyond unplugging it and plugging it back in, I can't help you. I'm calling a guy.

Yeah. Well, now, I mean, at what point are you realizing, oh, this is my job? Well, I had this blog that was luckily, so I transitioned sort of from freelancing into being like running this blog full time. Okay. And then- Your own, the EcoGeek. EcoGeek, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. And I was also writing for other places and I was getting writing gigs. Are you done with school at this point? Yeah. Okay. And stayed in Montana just because you- Cause all my friends were there.

Okay. Yeah. And then I actually, I think I can talk about this now. Scientific American wanted to buy my blog. Oh wow. Which is my favorite magazine of all time. Neato. I had been subscribed to since I was like eight years old.

Yeah, yeah. And I like go to New York and I'm like on Madison Avenue and they're buying me steaks at rooftop bars. I'm like, I remember like they called me. Four at a time. Which, what,? Which what? Four what? Four stakes.

Four stakes? Okay, I don't know. Four rooftop. I don't know how that works. Women, what are we talking about? And I remember they called me and I had my, because I'm like this is like stupid grad school student.

My answering machine on my phone was like, you've reached WHNK radio. Leave your message at the beep. And they're like, I think if this is Hank Green, we're gonna meet at the Cissons de France. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I felt very embarrassed. And then they made me an offer to buy the blog

and I'd be a Scientific American employee and I hugged the guy, which was weird. Yeah, yeah. That's not very scientific. And then the economy collapsed. Oh, thanks George Bush. And they just pulled the deal? Just pulled the deal.

The entire parent company said no more acquisitions of any kind. And so that pulled that deal. And at that point, that was going to be, I was going to get like $120,000 for the blog, which is like, fucking more than I could have ever imagined. And then I was, you'd continue to run it. And then I would keep running it. I'd be a salaried employee. Yeah. And so at that point, it was not yet time to be a full-time YouTuber. There was not enough money in it yet. And so I was doing both of those things at the same time, but it was really like a sort of gradual increase

in the amount of money we were making and less attention being paid to the blog. And then at one point, I guess I was a YouTuber. And I look back at my old like tax returns back then, I was making like $27,000 a year, but yeah. Yeah. Well, I mentioned Montana's a fairly reasonable. Used to be.

Oh really? It's not anymore? No, COVID messed up everything. Oh. With all the people. It's not a big town. So like 50 people move there, you run out of houses. Yeah. Oh, wow.

So they got real expensive. It's a college town too. Yeah. Yeah. So is that, does that feel like as I once likened being in Austin is sort of like sitting next to a fun gay cousin at a Romney wedding? Sure. Yeah. Does that, does, does Missoula's feel like that

where it's like, you're like, it's a bastion of sort of open thinking. I've spent a little bit, yes. It is definitely about, we call it the triangle. There's like, if you look at the map of Missoula, you'll see a big triangle. And inside the triangle, things are good. We're safe there.

But I've tried to spend more time outside of the triangle. It's safe for me outside of the triangle for a number of reasons. Yeah, yeah. And when I'm outside of the triangle, what I see is that the diversity of thought remains. People up and down in the places that I think of as like crazy Montana places Yeah, yeah.

are not all crazy. Many of them are very mad about how things are going in America right now. And it is good to see that. That like, you know, you think of Montana as like deep, deep red. Yeah. But then also you look and it's like, well, there's, you know, there aren't two Trump voters for every Democrat in Montana.

You know, it's like, it's a big swing. You know, it's like 38 to 50, whatever, but it's, there's still 38% of us who are, who voted for Kamau Harris. Right, right. Yeah. Of the voters anyway. At what point is it, because now you're, you know now your programming is very political now. Sometimes, yeah.

Did it always? It's hard to not to. Yeah. No, that's what I- I don't know, a lot of people find it rather easy to not. And I don't, I find it very hard, but I guess this is, maybe that does go back to my parents. Tell me about that. Yeah, tell me, like, because as you say, there's plenty of people that don't, they just keep

it to themselves. I mean, I know, like, I've always, I've always said political things on social media. And my social media has always been kind of just for fun. And I kind of have liked, it was mainly Twitter for me, which to me was the joke gym. Sure. I went there and there were funny people and and you know, we'd be funny together. I'd made real IRL friends from, from Twitter. Um, and then that fucker ruined it all.

And so for me, I, and I would talk about politics and I used to engage more before I realized it just made me feel bad. and I used to engage more before I realized it just made me feel bad. And there are people that I know that are completely aligned with me and my wanting this to be Denmark that don't say a word and they don't want to say a word. I mean, recently it's everybody has to say a little something, you know, like you get the sense it's, people are starting to sweat a little bit and they're like, oh, by the way, I don't like that fella. Yeah.

Because it turns out some people really do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I always felt like, and people say like, why do you want to, you you wanna offend half of your audience? Like I've seen that and then see the mask get out to other people. And to me, I was like, well, first of all, I think your ratio is wrong.

And secondly, it just felt like, cause it feels important to try and persuade people to make the world better in a way that I think the world could be better. And is that- Yeah. I mean- Did I just give the explanation that I wanted you to give? I'm not actually sure. Yeah.

I think back to when I started being active, which was like college, maybe even before that, but mostly college. And it felt like in the water, like it was a liberal arts school and like, then 9-11 happened and so we were fucking arguing. And I was really not on board with immediately going to war about it.

And a lot of people around me were, and it was totally, I'd say most people were pretty like, we have to be together in America at this moment and we can't, we have to be aligned on stuff. And I'm like, okay, we can be aligned on America. I actually wasn't really like that. I am more like that now, but I wasn't really like that back then.

And but we don't have to be aligned on what we do about this. One, just because the one guy who's in charge, that's not who decides who goes to war. That's not how it's supposed to work. Congress is supposed to deal with this stuff. Not that Congress didn't end up doing it. But I was mad about that and I was drawn into that conversation and had those conflicts in classes in respectful ways.

And I think that that's part of it. I think that part of it is I can't believe it. Yeah. Sometimes I feel like I have to say, I do not believe, like this is shocking to me. And it's not, and we'll never stop being shocking and not because I think, I like think to myself, I need to not let myself be shocked by this.

I need to like remember that this is not normal. That's kind of like one of the things people say, but like, no, I'm not trying to remember something. I just am shocked. I'm shocked regularly by how things go, by like the steamrolling, by completely tearing apart USAID, by like getting rid of some of the most successful

life-saving enterprises in the history of mankind, not in just at the US, like things that I'm like the most proud of that this country has done to just be like, eh, we'll figure it out. We're gonna turn the money off and we'll figure it out later. We're turn the money off and we'll figure it out later. We're gonna just like let the medication sit in a warehouse

but we're not saying that we're not gonna distribute it. We'll figure it out later. Well, why are you turning it off? If you're gonna figure it out, why is it okay to be like, oh no, we're gonna continue doing PEPFAR. We're gonna continue to like help people like prevent HIV and AIDS, keep people with those diseases alive,

make sure those babies aren't born infected. And right now there's people, like there's doctors watching AIDS patients die for the first time in their careers. Like young doctors who are in their like thirties, they've never seen AIDS patients die. And what are they gonna, like they know, they just don't have the tools to solve the problem.

And why, why? You can look at the amount of money that the US government is spending, it didn't go down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that's not where the money is. It went up, yeah. The money is in the stuff that we all like. Yeah, yeah.

It's in Medicare and Medicaid and like, take like social security, like the stuff that we're not gonna cut. Yeah. Because like we obviously need it. And it actually, and it like affects people and people get pissed off when suddenly they can't afford healthcare as Americans

when they used to be able to. So like, I am just shocked and I don't know. Like it's the kind of content we have always made. It's never been, and I thought about this. I thought, do I just wanna be a science guy? And maybe I'll get involved in politics when it's science. When it's vaccines, I can be useful there. I'm a science guy, I know about this, I thought, do I just want to be a science guy? And maybe I'll get involved in politics when it's science. When it's vaccines, I can be useful there. I'm a science guy, I know about science.

When it's global warming, I could be useful there. It's science. Right. But when it's immigration and deportations, that's not science. Maybe I should just like sit this one out. Yeah. And I don't know. But it can be science.

It can be social science. Well, certainly. Yeah. But the thing is that when I, I never stayed in a lane through the entire, all of what we've done. It's never been, like, SciShow, we're gonna talk about science.

But on my personal channels, I've always been like, I'm into this show, or I'm into, I'm fascinated by this fact, or I wrote this song about Helen Hunt because I think she's super hot. And then, you're of the right generation. Yeah, I, yeah. You feel that way?

Yeah, yeah. It's a woman that seems like she would never care about you. Yeah. That's, yeah. It's like, I do like, I do like a confident woman. Yeah, yeah. Like Sheldon, she won't give a shit about me.

She might let me hang around, but I'll never feel the love that I need from her. Yeah. I'm a cat guy. I'm a cat guy. I don't want dogs. Dogs love me too much. I need to earn it.

Yeah, yeah. And yeah. And then also, you know, what I'm thinking about right now. And it's so hard, like, ultimately, I have to work to keep the content having a variety. So not just to make political content. Like, I don't want to upload like three political videos

in a row because I mean, it's asking a lot of my audience and it's also alienating to some of my audience. Like, I don't want to force people who aren't exactly where I am out of all of the stuff I make. Yeah. If I'm making a video about all the sort of evolutionary and biochemical things that had to happen for life,

like vertebrates to get on land. I don't want people to like watch that video or like see that video and be like, I can't watch that video. He doesn't like Elon Musk, you know? Yeah, yeah. But I don't like Elon Musk. Yeah, they had a certain point.

Yeah, you got it, like, you know, like... I think people should get, even if you do admire the guy, you should get why some people wouldn't. Right. Absolutely. You're popping up on Twitter, like, after like, like an hour after somebody gets assassinated and you're like the leftists are murderously violent before anybody knows anything about this guy and then you leave the tweet up after it turns out he's a pro-life Trump supporter.

I don't know. Maybe, maybe you'd get it. Would you get it? Would you get why I wouldn't like that guy at least? Like I do think that people should have like an allegiance to the truth. That is one of my like values, you know? I hope, I really hope. I mean, cause I feel, you know, I once tweeted and I think of it often. It's a great time.

I think often of my own wisdom. Of my own tweet. I realize, I know how masturbatory that is, but you know, but I said, you know, it's a great time to be alive if you're dumb and mean. And it just, it feels like it gets to be more and more true and that things like it's a good thing to give medicine to keep AIDS at bay worldwide. And that that was once like a, well, yeah, of course. And now-

You know, when you say- My constituents just don't care about that is what a congressperson said to my brother. Oh, really? See that, and it just, but to me it seems like what's at this root of it too is internet culture triggering the libs.

Like we're going to let some babies die and just, you know, I'll listen to them get upset about that. And that's fucking crazy. That's like, there is a craziness to this. I try to keep in mind the vast diversity of thought of my opposition. Yeah, I do too. It's really easy to assign 50% of people the perspective of the loudest 10% of them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I think that there's definitely some folks that are in the triggering the libs piece of this pie, but I think that there are more who are like, this isn't our job, this isn't our country, these aren't our people, America first. And that's very appealing to some people because they think that there's enough money there

to help something, which there kind of isn't because America is very expensive to solve problems because we've solved a lot of problems. It doesn't feel like it to people, but things are very good here. The roof is at the moment not leaking. Yeah. We're all well fed pretty much.

Yeah. There's. You know, not, I mean, but see, that's another one. Like, yeah, they, we were well fed up until about a year ago or half a year ago. We don't have so much of a problem of not a lack of availability of calories. Yes. There's, we do, we do that well. Yeah. We don't have so much of a problem of a lack of availability of calories. Yes, right, right. We do that well.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I'm never able to understand, you know, you can almost never understand the actual perspective of your opponent because you will only ever be presented by your tribe with their worst ideas or the worst versions or the worst messaging, because it's the easiest to attack. Why would you bring the good messaging into the space? Right, right, right, yeah, yeah. I'm not gonna want to fight your best stuff.

And I do try to find it. I do try to understand it a little bit. I find it is easier to make content that doesn't, I think it can be really, it can turn people way off when they're like that, like you think what I think is not what I think, you think I want to do X because of Y but I wanna do it because of Z, which is,

but if I wanna do it because of Y, then I'd be a monster and I'm not a monster. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of like, I'm not a monster, but I'm like, but you do kinda wanna do monstrous things. Yeah, yeah. But I don't know. Or you're just, you're not paying attention

to what the people that you have hired. There's a lot of not paying attention. Yeah, you're just not, you know, like the Florida roofer who has had three quarters of his workforce, you know, kidnapped, saying like, this isn't what I voted for. And you have to be like, buddy, it sure is. He's still talking about it.

What the fuck? What was mass deportations to you? Yeah. That was one of the big ones. And that's why, again, I want, there was a point in my life where I thought, I guess this would be centrist thinking, but where it is like, no, there's good tension between different points of view.

So between, and I mean, and there's something about the simplicity of a two-party system, we like that. We made that, you know, like there's a reason for it. It's set up structurally where it is that way. And we respond to that, the simplicity of it. It's not all complicated where you have to keep track of six parties, you know? And I used to think, oh no, there's, you know,

like each one will expose the weaknesses of the other. And then it turned into professional wrestling, and I just, it's really hard for me to look to the other side and go, well, where's the good stuff? Because the plans just seem to be cut rich people's taxes, and make lots of money for rich people, and then be mean to people. There's a lot of, the mean is weird. Yeah.

Don't love the mean. It is really a part of it. Yeah. Is the mean, is the rude, is the crass, is the like, ah yeah, you get him for me kind of vibe. And there's also, I think in this second Trump administration, there's a big piece of we couldn't get anything done because the government was getting in our way.

Yeah. It's like, you run the government. And it's like the government is like, has a bunch of power inside of it that we actually can't overcome. And so we're just gonna like scrap it. We're just gonna rip at it until it's weaker, until that fabric is weaker,

and then we can blast stuff through it. And that feels like an intentional strategy. That feels like that's the thing that's going on. But what they're discovering is that like, like a lot of that is just the government functioning. It's doing the job that government does. And people don't think about the parts of the government that work until they stop working. And so I think there's a bit of that going on

where they just, they couldn't believe that their ideas wouldn't work. And so they were assigning blame to just civil servants So I think there's a bit of that going on, where they just, they couldn't believe that their ideas wouldn't work, and so they were assigning blame to just civil servants. And then they had to go after the civil servants to make themselves believe that actually that was the problem. I don't know.

It feels like they wanna run the government and they hate the government, which is, it sounds like a miserable thing to do. Yeah, yeah, it really does. It really does. I wanna run this thing that I don't think should exist. You know, it's just, and it is, it really does feel like, okay, you read Atlas Shrugged,

but now, then you get to Washington and you realize, oh no, people, they need their medication. You know, even fucking Ayn Rand was on Medicare, Washington and he realized, oh no, people, they need their medication. Even fucking Ayn Rand was on Medicare. Well, I've kept you long enough. I'll go for as long as you want. I know, I know. These people have jobs.

Well, and it's my daughter's last day of school and I have to go pick her up. It'd be rude to leave her there till six. But I mean, you do, you are so busy. Like are there things left undone for you? Like are there things, you know, that you're thinking like, oh, if only I could start this line at, well, you've already have a sock line. You and your brother are selling socks. Yes.

You know, charitable socks of all kinds. We have a website, it's a good.store where you can buy everything there. All the profit gets donated to charity. Yeah. We're trying to figure out corporate giving. So if you work at a company. You can have a company wide sock club. Yeah.

You just like- It's a subscription socks. Your Christmas presents. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Every month you get a delightful pair of socks designed by a different independent artist.

It's just a little surprise for you every month. And it's helping build a hospital in Sierra Leone. It's probably, they're probably one size fits all, which means not me. There's two sizes. Okay, all right, all right. But I don't know how big those boys are. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You got big hands. I got, listen, these feet, it's like putting a, trying to get a pantyhose on a cinder block for most socks. Stop wearing pantyhose. They don't make you do that. Yeah, but I like a shapely outline. Well, first time I ever saw a girl in a pantyhose, I was like, what's happening?

Wow. They really aren't popular anymore for good reason. I imagine it's not great, a vibe. It's gotta be awful. Oh boy. I do like a legging. I like a tight covering of legs. Fish nets.

Yes, any sort. I sure hope that the maggots don't trip, fall into fish nets and then you start changing sides. That's how they'd get me. Go get it. Just put on a fish net. I, what was the question? What's left undone? Everybody's got undone stuff.

What do you got? What do you, I mean, what do you, can we look for? I'm working on two books right now. Oh, wow. Which is frustrating for me because I only wanted to be working on one, but then things happened and it slowed the first one down.

But anyway, right now, the main thing I'm working on is a book about the science of cancer. Oh, wow. Which is fascinating. Because you, I mean, we didn't even talk about your cancer. We didn't get into middle school bullying. We didn't get into chemotherapy. Come back sometime.

Okay, I'd love to. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I did that and it was terrible, but also fascinating. Yeah. And I think this is a thing that we're all gonna deal with in one way or another, whether it's after someone we love. Yeah, or already have.

Or yeah, or dealing with now. And it really, for me, was very powerful It really, for me, was very powerful to be curious about it through a scientific lens. And it was very empowering for me to have that understanding, which I did not have at the beginning. I would think that that's a coping mechanism for you. For me. You know, for the big scary world, if you figure out how things work. It's not everybody. I was once at the radiation center,

getting and I was like, what kind of you got? And he was like, lymphoma. And I was like, me too, what kind of lymphoma? And he was like, I don't know. I was like, good God, man. There's a lot of them. Yeah, yeah. There's a bunch of different kinds.

I know one of them. Yeah, it's not really my, it's between the cancer and the doctor. I don't, it's not really my thing. 100%. So some people are gonna be like that, but I think for a lot of people, what I learned could be, I hope, valuable.

And so I'm focused largely on that right now, as far as creative projects go, but I'm also working on a novel every once in a while, while waiting for my editor to get back to me, basically, is what that means. But you don't see yourself ever working for somebody else, do you? I mean, you've got such a nice thing going.

I think about it sometimes. But I think I would go crazy. Yeah, especially at this point. I've done it. I didn't mind when I did it, but it's been a long time now. It's been a long time. Yeah, I don't know how to get, well, for me, it's just like any kind of straight job.

I just, I don't know how to handle that. I wouldn't, I don't think that I would mind teaching. Yeah. And that's working for somebody else. It's working for all the administration and also all the students. But that's what I think about. I think I like, I'm like, ah, that would be,

but I'm sure that it wouldn't be. I'm sure I'm idealizing it. I'm sure it'd be a huge pain in the ass. No, but I mean, it's gotta be nice. It's gotta be nice. I have teachers in my family and it seems like it would really. Yeah, person to person.

And it's like, I feel about parenting. It's like, even the most mundane day of parenting, you're still doing the most important work that there is. Yeah. So, you know. I thought you said mundane day of parenting, but I thought you were talking about

a friend named Mundane Dave. Mundane Dave. Even the most mundane day of parenting. A very unpopular professional wrestler. It's hard to get behind him. You wouldn't want to. Well, what do you think is the best life lesson you've learned this far? Curiosity is the best emotion. Okay. And you think it's an emotion? Oh, I do.

Okay. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know that it's, I've ever heard it characterized as that. I would, I guess it would be a mental state or a characteristic, but. It's, I think that it's a good point. Maybe it's not.

I'll interrogate that later. Okay. But I think that it's like the thing that starts love. Yeah. And so it's like in many ways a precursor and to so much. I just think that like anytime I feel so much happier when I'm curious. Yeah. I think it also leads to hope.

I think like fear is like hopelessness and fear are like the danger places that lead to hopelessness and then to curiosity is the thing that leads to to hope and like curiosity even like being curious about people who I think are crazy like and doing nuts bag things. I think like when I can be curious, I feel like not only do I feel more hopeful, I also feel better equipped to deal with this nut bag world. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's very true.

And I mean, and it is, it's fear is closing. Yeah. Curiosity is opening. And that's like for me, that's one thing I really, that to learn in negative lessons from people going before, is I just see too many people that got old and closed, they closed off.

And I just think you have to stay open. You have to, growth is possible. I want that for myself. Yeah, I do too. I think it's, but I think it takes constant upkeep because there's a crust that grows. That's another thing I've learned is almost everything is a project.

Yeah. If you like, you want it, you have to keep it. It's not gonna happen naturally. Yeah. God damn it. You have to invest. It's all work. Sometimes I'm like, is friendship work?

I thought friendship was just supposed to be only frictionless fun. But sometimes it's a little bit of work. It is. You know, that's right. It's love is work and marriage is work. And you know, all the best stuff. Well, Hank, thank you so much.

Thank you. It's been a lovely conversation. Thanks for having me on your podcast. Yeah, and thank you for coming in and- I'm glad we could make it work. Making me part of your LA whirlwind tour. I had a good time. All right.

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