The Three Questions with Andy Richter - Jackie Tohn

Episode Date: October 14, 2025

Actress and musician Jackie Tohn (Nobody Wants This) joins Andy Richter to discuss how a rooster named Frog inspired her to become a vegetarian, the therapist that told her that her relationship "picker is broken,” getting started in Hollywood as a teenager, and much more. Do you want to talk to Andy live on SiriusXM’s Conan O’Brien Radio? Tell us your favorite dinner party story (about anything!) - leave a voicemail at 855-266-2604 or fill out our Google Form at BIT.LY/CALLANDYRICHTER. Listen to "The Andy Richter Call-In Show" every Wednesday at 1pm Pacific on SiriusXM's Conan O'Brien Channel. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the three questions. I'm your host, Andy Richter. And today I'm talking to Jackie Tone. Jackie is an actress and a musician, and she is a riot. You've seen her and nobody wants this, glow, the boys' universe, and more. She also co-created and starred in the Amazon animated musical children's series, Do Ray Me. Here's my conversation with Jackie Tone. I cannot stand to hear my own voice. And then I, and then I, it's which I, you know, are we recorded, by the way? Don't die. Get your fucking hands away from your fucking hands away from this. Okay. These are my, hey, Andy, no. No, Andy.

Okay, good. Oh. Yeah, no, hearing my own voice, I, on one hand, I can't stand it and I avoid it. But I don't like looking at my. Sure. Stuff that I do. I don't want to see it. And then, but I do sort of hope like, and I mean, I kind of, I make a living with my voice, obviously. Here I am sitting here. And like this microphone is nice. But then every time I do hear people imitate me, like, Conan is probably the most famous one. It's like, hi, I'm Andy. Which is so funny because that's people's impression of my vision. voice. Is it? You don't sound like that. His is obviously the most farcical. But like I remember when I was a little, when my niece was like four, she's 12 now, she would say to her dad, I'm Aunt Jackie. I want gummy bears. And to this day, we make her do it. That's what she thinks of me. I'm Cartman, apparently, and I want gummy bears. She's not wrong. I do have two. Yeah, gummy bears. Sure. Why not? I do have two peanut butter. filled pretzels waiting for me to be done.

And you load it up before the show. I love a PB-filled press. I go in on them. I can't keep them. You know, there's certain things that I love so much, and this is probably disordered, but that I don't keep them at the house. Yes.

Peanut butter pretzels. Absolutely. They don't come in the front door. They don't come in the front door. They don't come in the front door. I have a slight peanut allergy. Oh. So, and I haven't, you know.

You disregard it? Well, I have been. better in the last couple of years. But for my entire life, like, I know I have a slight peanut allergy, which meant, like, I'd have some peanuts and sometimes it wouldn't matter. And then sometimes I'd be like, I'd do feel my throat closing up a little bit, which it was just always like a little bit of like, you know, and Benadryl and it would be fixed. But I did like, I don't want, two years ago was like, you know what, I probably should avoid

those. I'm similar with fried food. Oh, really? I guess I have really bad, so Jewish, I have really bad acid reflux. And if I eat like tempora and I would do the same thing, I would like take all the medication before and then afterwards I feel sick for four hours. Yeah, yeah. And then it wasn't until my like late 30s where I thought, you know what you don't have to have.

Fucking vegetable tempura. Right. It's okay. Yeah. It's one thing. Yeah. Okay. And there also is probably some weird psychological thing that like where they're,

There's like a bargain that like, well, if you're going to enjoy something, there's going to be pain that is satisfying to us. Sure. And then I'm like, well, I could take nine medications to mitigate this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or just don't have a deep fried broccoli. Yeah, have any, yeah, have any tempera. Yeah. Although that's a bummer. Fried stuff is a bummer, yeah. The argument it could be made peanut is worse. Yeah. Peanut allergy. That is true. My son has a tree nut allergy and it's, but like a dangerous one. That's really, it sucks. Yeah. It's fucking annoying. Also, I feel like because I don't eat meat. And so I also, if it's similar with an allergy, like, you're almost like amasculating yourself because you're just like, I can't do that. Yes, yes. I don't want to, that makes me

uncomfortable, but you're like, I can't choose. I mean, I did choose this and not, but it's like with your son, it's like, I can't have tree nuts. Right, right. That's annoying. Well, and especially like vegan, any kind of vegan vegetarian stuff that comes into the house, he's got to really go over it. Yeah, because it's all cashew nut there, cashew meat and stuff. But, yeah, he had it so young, too, that, like, it was one of the reasons that he learned to read quickly because he wanted to read labels himself to protect. He had to make sure he wasn't for poisoning himself. Yeah, yeah. That's upsetting.

And even, like, when he was a little kid, he's 24 now, when he was a little kid, he'd go to birthday parties and was, and this blows my mind, was able to look at the cake and go, like, think, like, I'm not sure of that. I'm okay. I won't have any cake. Like at seven, eight years old. I want to be his friend when he was seven. He's amazing. That's really nice. I know it's really hard.

It's like friends who are actually celiac. Yeah. Yeah. To be like, no, I'm actually gluten-free medically. I'm medically gluten-free. You're choosing it and you just don't want to have chip. You know, it's like, that sucks. It does suck.

It's, yeah. I married a vegetarian. We're the best. Yes, it was part of a meat-free dating app. Oh, cute. No, it wasn't. But she's vegetarian, which actually I can handle vegan. It's tough.

Vegan I could not. Because I just feel like, like I heard Paul McCartney go like, the chickens are going to make the eggs anyway. You know, like they are. They're going to. Yeah, and I think a lot of vegetarians eat eggs. Yes. I eat eggs. Yeah, absolutely.

That's not. Eggs and dairy. Like that is the part where I'm like, yeah, I got it. And I think it's just all about, it's hard because we can't police any of it. But it's like the dairy. industry is. Yeah, well, fill in the blank. The blank industry is shitty.

Correct. Fucking envelope. Yeah, truly, any, the most banal industry. It's all cutting down the trees in the Amazon. I mean, it's a mess. Yeah, yeah. And so I think for me, I, that's where I drew the line. Yeah.

You know, I feel like a hypocrite. I also feel like powerful. Yeah, no. I mean, I'm, I eat mostly vegetarian now. And I'm fine with it. minded at all. And I also do think like, yeah, you know what? It is kind of like the raising of beef cattle is kind of killing the planet. It's kind of bad. So, okay. Yeah. So, I mean, I'm not, I still have meat and my wife isn't like uptight about it. See, my boyfriend's a great cook and he's

always making himself some delicious thing. Yeah, yeah. And I'm not like, oh, that smells gross. I can't see that. I'm just like, the reason I became vegetarian, no one is asking. But I've never. I will. It's on my list. Okay. Here, wait, hold on. Someone pass them a pen. Let me write it on the list. Someone pass them a quick pen. Celebrity, Jeopardy. Okay. Vegetarian. Perfect. That's it. Anal. That's right. Love zanel. Love zanel. And that's it. I'm in anal rotative. Oh. I did. I did. One of us did. I saw an instance so embarrassing, but so real. I have a dog who I'm obsessed with named Glenn.

And I saw an Instagram video of a chicken running to go meet its friend who is its owner, I guess, as owner's kid, comes off the bus every single day. And this chicken named frog would run every single day. The kid would get off the bus and the chicken would go and meet it. And then I was like, oh, the chicken is Glenn, chicken is my dog. And then I stopped eating chicken. Oh, wow. My brain could not get over that like all these animals are my dogs. How long ago is it? What was it? Dog's life ago? So it wasn't that long ago. Eight years, seven years. Wow. My whole life, I just was like. like, you know, whatever.

Yeah, yeah. And then I just was like, oh, wait. And then I have a really obnoxiously powerful, as we all do, but like with the ADHD, I just like, I zoom in on something and I couldn't get over it. Yeah. And then I just didn't want to eat it. And it wouldn't taste good. Yeah, yeah.

I didn't want it. Everything is Glenn. My dad would always say it about vegetarian, about whatever instance. He would be like, well, that chicken would eat you. No, true. Yeah, probably would. If I was a corpse, it'd peck out my eyes and everything. But you know what?

I mean, it's like, I got a little more. more brain power than the chicken, but, you know. The chicken would eat you so good. That switches me back. Yeah. Frog the chicken. Let's get some chicken. It would eat me.

Well, obviously, you didn't grow up vegetarian because sometimes that, you know, I've been in a Jewish family too. Yeah, no, it was brisket. That would not go over. It was brisket. And if you didn't want brisket, you could always have brisket. It was so, yeah, no, there was all the chicken soup and all the, all the, all the, my parents ate when I was.

growing up, but they still do. I'll go and see them in Florida and they'll go to the Jewish deli and they get stuffed derma, which I always, I always thought was stuffed, like they were only... Like cabbage. I thought they were saying like stuffed derma,

but it's really Irma because of how my parents speak. Sure, sure. But then I never put two and two together. It's skin. Ew, ew, it is skin. Ew, and they love it. I'm having Dharma. My dad will get a tongue sandwich and derma.

Now that I do like... Oh, yeah, I'm going to be... sick from all of it. Sorry, sorry. Oh, God. And tongue looks like tongue. Yeah, yeah. We, not when it's between the slices of why.

Fair. Fair. You know, and covered in mustard. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It sure does. It sure does. Especially if you see it in the case.

It's literally a tongue sitting there. I can't. I mean, the biggest tongue you've ever seen, you know. But yeah, definitely not a vegetarian growing. And, and, uh, Langua tacos are pretty fantastic, too. No, thank you. Yeah. Yeah, pretty good.

I bet. Yeah, it's fun. You know Jackie Hoffman? Do you know Jackie Hoffman? Of course. Jackie Hoffman, when she was the little girl, like, she was finally invited to, like, a sleep over at some girl's house. And as she's leaving her mother hands or her, like, you know,

a little overnight case and says, I put a boiled chicken in there in case they don't have food. A whole boiled chicken. And all the girls were like, great. Jackie's here. We could smell her coming up the walk. Yeah, same with me. Her entire boiled chicken in a Ziploc bag. When I...

What a gruesome fucking thing to send a kid. Horrible. And when I was a kid, this was before, you know, corn nuts, they're now a thing. Yes. But we might, we would go, this is so random. I don't know what, something you said, just opened this folder. My parents would go to the Amish country. We would all go.

It was like a little family trip. We were in New York. We'd go up to Pennsylvania. And there was these places. that would make, like, really well-done pretzels. They were, like, burnt on purpose. You'd get him in a big barrel. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then another place that made these, like, fried corn kernels, literally corn nuts before that was a... They're big, yeah. They're big. That's harmony. That's what they make grits on. Okay. Before they even... And all these different flavors.

And I would go to school, and one time, similarly, there was, like, some weird flavor of corn nuts, and I opened my lunchbox and no one's ever seen them, and there were these giant pieces of corn. They look like... They look like horse teeth. I'm a wise ass. I get called to the principal. They think I brought dog food to school.

Yeah, yeah. And they call my mom. And she's like, those are Amish fried corn nibblets. Yeah, yeah. And then, but same thing. Like, made fun of, may as well have had a fucking boiled chicken in my lunchbox. Yeah. What is Oceanside?

I mean, I kind of, can you describe Oceanside? And is that where you grew, did you live there throughout your entire childhood? Oceanside. not on the side of the ocean, not a joke. That's all there is to it. Really? That's correct. Wow.

There's like a little bay. That's called real estate marketing. That's just truly. There's a little bay that some houses are on, not ours. Is it Long Island or is it? In Long Island. Okay. And Oceanside was a really cute suburb on Long Island, very similar to the other ones.

Not one of the fancy ones. It's not like large. It's not the five towns. It's not like Melville where it's. like big houses, big money. My parents were both gym teachers. Oh, wow. And like we had a cute middle class upbringing.

And both straight? Can you believe? That doesn't happen with gym teachers a lot. Yes. Barely. Funny enough. Thus and thus you. Hello.

Barely. Straight enough. Honestly, it's when you say barely because my dad is gay and my mom. I love that. Okay. Anyone's guess. Anyone's guess. There was some blurring of the lines there, a little, you know, a little flurry.

Sure. It's like, yep, and then here I, here, here's me. Here's me. Yeah, yeah. I love a jazz hand. Yeah, yeah. Gay except for the liking sex with women. I know. Yeah. My parents are actually, my dad, the, the straightest, I mean, just really funny, wonderful guy. Yeah. And my mom is like, she's, are straight girls allowed to say butchy? Is that like a word? Okay. I never know. Yeah. Because I'm like, then I say, butch. Okay. So my. So my. My mom is. I mean, somebody might be, if somebody's offended at our presence here. So, you know, yeah. Mine especially. So the, um, my mom's like, you know, definitely not a femmy gal, but also nothing about her reads gay or is gay. But when she was in her phys ed program, all of the other women were most of the other women were gay, but were also married to men. And then later in life came out and the whole thing. But my mom likes her acrylic nails and her bullshit and her little, yeah. They're really cute. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can't you tell my loves a girl? You started acting as a kid.

Yeah. How's that happen? Well, I had no attention from the parents, obviously. This unbearable personality then, too. And they were like, what do we do? Yeah, yeah. Where do we put her? Where do we spray this thing?

Yeah, what happens now? A couple things had to happen to make it possible, but I was like an absolute all I wanted to do is perform. I was writing songs and performing them from the time. I was like truly five. Really just as it just came out. Well, my mom is like so sickly funny that she could have had a different, a really different life.

I had an aunt like that that was very inspirational to me. Yeah, yeah. Like she speaks in joke right. Yes. She reminds me a lot of Don Rickles, my mother. Oh, wow. Her energy is really like, oh, 10 pounds of shit. and a five pound pay,

I shouldn't be worried about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The way she speaks is just funny. Yeah. And then my dad is a musician. He wanted to be a songwriter. My whole childhood, he was like sending songs away

to the copyright office and was in bands and groups all through before we were born, me and my brothers were born and up through our childhoods. So I, we had a very artistic upbringing even though my parents had their day jobs. Right.

So for me, the music was always fostered. The performing was always Southern. fostered in me, cultivated. Sure, sure. And so it was always there. But the piece, two things had to happen. One, my mom had to be willing to take you into the city. I mean, major, if you think about like, how long, what, what are we talking in terms of, are you going on the train? Are you driving in? We're Long Island Railroad. Yeah. From the Baldwin stop to Penn Station, it's about 40 minutes in each direction, but you got to leave school. My mom is still like, you can't have a job. Yeah. She quit her job to take me on these auditions.

But the other thing that had to happen before my mom quit her job was my mom's good friend was a kid agent. Ah, Aggie Gold of Fresh Faces Agency involved in Long Island. Oh, absolutely. Abby Gold of course. Did say Aggie? Yeah. Agie, wow. Aggie gold of fresh faces.

And it's sort of one of those you have to say the whole thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Aggie Gold, Fresh Faces. I'm going to tear you a new one. Correct. And she did. She called. cold called every person that ever existed.

She would say things to people like she's a star and you have to meet her to see it. And if you don't agree with me, you'll never hear from me again. Think shit like that. I will gouge out my own eyes. I'll jump off a bridge. But then I would meet with people and then it would be nice. And then she, you know, that wasn't, you know, and then she didn't look like an asshole. Right, right.

Because, well, that is true. She probably did know enough. to know that, like, you wouldn't embarrass them. But I had a soft shoe number prepared. Right, right. And, like, stand-up at 14. She knew from your, from your straw, boater hat and cigar. MERS.

Truly, I was doing stand-up when I was a teenager, so. Oh, really? Yeah, she, like, I was doing it. I was always like, I on the prize just going for it. And so between Aggie getting me the auditions and my mom agreeing to take me on them. Yeah. And me being a miniature ADHD locomotive. It was this.

It was ADHD, pretty sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I finally got diagnosed, like, last year, but it was so funny. I sat down to try and, like, thinking I was going to plead my case to this psychiatrist. Yeah. And she just looked at me with, like, really sweet eyes. And she was like, oh, you're going to feel such relief. And I was like, oh, she, like, within minutes of me sitting there, I was acting the way I am now.

And she was like, oh, you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We can help you. Yeah. I was like, great. I had that with the first, the first.

the first shrink I went to for depression. Oh, depression medication. Like I was like, five minutes in, he was like, look, we can stop.

Yeah, you don't have to keep telling me. Yeah, I get it. You don't have to give you the location of the bridge. I can see, buddy.

Yeah. Same with me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, you're going to feel so much better. Yeah. Oh.

Did they, do you take medication or anything? I did. I just started, um, Adderall this year. Mm-hmm. And it's been.

Does it work for you? It's crazy. So I'd always heard, horrible things about it because all the people I knew who were taking Adderall didn't need Adderall. You're right. They were like in college trying to crack out or stay up late to do a test or friends of mine in like the writer's room who get Adderall. I was taking it for a while and because insurance would only pay for the generic. I had a pill bottle that just said amphetamine. Wait, mine says amphetamine salts. You fucking added a little a little spice.

Right. Exactly. Spice. I haven't killed anyone. It makes it seem old-timey and rustic. Cute. Yeah, I only wear my suspenders and barrel pants with my head. Fetamine salts. Super weird. But yeah, it, and the Zoloft has been for probably for years.

And both of them have been absolutely life-changing. Yeah, me too. Me too. I mourn. I have a very close girl friend who just went on by Vance. And she was crying to me, 45-year-old woman. about all the time she wasn't medicated.

Like what a bummer. When it feels like someone took a dirty fish bowl off your head and you're like the fuck was I? What was I doing? What podium was I standing at? What was I doing? I mean, you know,

we could talk all day about my mother's shortcomings. But one thing that I really thank her for and I'm so grateful to her is that she was never afraid of therapy. and never afraid of psychological help and psychiatric help. And so I just for years.

And when I started taking medication, I had friends. It was in Chicago. I was doing improv. I was, you know, in the film, I was working in. You, Andy, you're the funniest, lightest person we know. Well, it's like, it's going to change you. Like, oh, yeah, it's going to make me get out of bed. Truly.

That's what it's going to do. The show. I have an actress. friend who I knows about my journey with going in the Zoloft and how much I didn't want to do it. And she's actually, I'm not saying this because she's a funny person, she's a clown. Yeah. An actual clown. Sure, of course.

We're on the same page. And honk, honk, honk, a clown said to me at my car when I was saying, this could really change your life. I don't want to be a drug pusher, but I'm, I could see, you're not you. I don't know where you went. Are you okay? And spoken during months, she said, and I quote, what if I have to cry for an audition? And I went, you're a clown.

You're a literal. When was the last time? Is she a happy clown or a sad clown? Like, what's her giving? She's like an improviser and a comedian and a literal goes on stage. What I mean? The makeup, is it a grin or is it a frown? It's a grin.

Okay. And I don't know, she's not like Merrill Streep. She's not crying and shit. But like these are the hoops, our brains will jump through to be like, well, I can't, just like your friend said, it's going to change you. You are not. You won't be funny. They think it's, what's the one that makes you like a zombie?

I was going to say, Librium? I was going to say lithium. I don't know. That's a battery. But no, it's Librium, too. I think it's Librium, I think. But either way, everyone thinks if you're going to take medication for your mental health, that like you're going to just be like zombie.

And you're like, no, just the part that really is so bummed. Yeah. Yeah, it's wild. Yeah, yeah. No. And it is weird, too, because I think. think, well, like I said, I was, and I don't know necessarily if it's a geographic thing because it's Los Angeles or whatever. But, you know, when I'm talking that my friends were saying

that it would have been like 1989, 1990. So different. So it was a, it was a long time ago. But you're saying there's still people. Oh, yeah. That are, they have all this knowledge. There's all this. There's proof. There's fucking ads for it. And your human friends are proof of how you know you're bummed out and you still are like, nah, I don't think so. That's just not for me. People still have it. That's why I've done and I never, I never was one to think, you know, now that I'm in a public forum,

I can help others by expressing my journey or anything, you know, because people always sound so self-serving and pompous when they do that. But getting on podcasts or on social media and talking. about having depression, like was the most impactful thing, like making people laugh, okay, but people come up to me, like, man, I heard you on that podcast and I never admitted to it and I took medication and I told my parents and they're so mad at me because I'm taking medication and just like, you know, but I'm so glad I did it and thank you. And I'm like, wow. It's insane. It's crazy. Absolutely. And what's crazy is that my,

My friend, Kristen, who I'm on, nobody wants this with, she was who. Kristen Bell, by the Lord. Kristen, Annie, Mousketeer Bell. She, it's her freaking Christian name. Her first screen role was playing my daughter in Pouti Teng. Excuse me? Her first screen role was playing my daughter in Puditang. I never heard of a better fact.

I'm going to watch Puditang tonight. The fact that I haven't seen Pudy Tangs embarrassing. Yeah, yeah. It's a fucking classic. And I had. forgotten that it was her. Stop. And like the first time that I met her like after in our growing up lives, she was like,

I was your daughter. And I was like, holy shit. You were like Kristen Bell. You were like a teenager. Like, you're famous now. Yeah, yeah. Cool. But she was who helped me in the first place because I was, it was like 2011.

I was in a bad way. Yeah. We were hanging. And she, I'm not speaking out of school here. She was like, you should really try. something. There's like no reason for you to feel like this. And she's a person who deals with it as well. Yeah. She talks about her mental health journey and medication. And she was like, just start like trying. And I was like, worse than my clown friend. I was like, no chance. I'm a songwriter.

I'm a comic. My whole stick is that there's highs and lows. My, my whole creativity will be gone if I don't get really sad all the time. And blah, but anyways. She shook me good and hard. And is that what, it just her relentlessly. Well, she just was like really, you're, and explained all the reasons, like the exact same schick I gave my, my friend that was just going through it. Yeah. It was like, no one had ever been like, you don't understand, you don't understand. First of all, it makes you cry.

But if someone looks at you and they're like, like that one shrink that was recently like, oh, you're going to feel so much better. Like if someone just looks at you and they're like, you know, it doesn't have to be like this. Yeah, yeah. It really takes the fucking stick out of your, like, spinal cord. like, I'm rugged and I, I'm a hustler and I do what I got to do. I'll live on Tempora if I want to. Yes, exactly.

So it's like that part of me that was like, I'm a fighter and I'll fucking, I don't need pills. I can overcome anything. Okay, well, no. And I tried and life changing. Yeah, yeah. But so the point is that was the, yes, people are still very much, I understand that it works for you, but it's not for me. Right. It's like, is it not?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I frankly like people, when you meet people that are just, like, okay, isn't it wild? How do you do that? God bless. What happened? I can, like, you've never been to therapy? No, I don't need therapy. And then you're like, wow, you're telling the truth.

And I believe you. And I think you're right. I can think of my one good girlfriend. She is like, she's good. She's good. Yeah. No. She's like, not too much.

Not too happy. Not too sad. she deals with shit. Not everything's a cake walk, but like, it shocks me. It's really amazing. So much so that I, right when you brought that up, I had a face in my head of like, oh, yeah, I know someone like that. Yeah, yeah. One person.

Exactly. They're so few and far between. No one single person who's not a nightmare. And that's how they pick the Dalai Lama. That's right. Someone that doesn't need their. That's right. My friend is the Dalai Lama.

And it looks good in orange. Mm-hmm. Can't you tell my loves to grow? Do you think that the, I mean, obviously you kind of said that the ADD or ADHD, whichever one, factored into the, like, urge to perform. Do you think that the sadness did, too? Like, was there a component of that when you were young and in that urge? I think so, because I'm just trying to say this without outing everybody. I was never cared for.

Yeah, I know my parents were raising. But, like, I, I, um, my brothers who are both rad were always going through different stuff, whether it was like medical stuff or mental, whatever it was. And my job that nobody gave me from a very young age was like, I will, like, one of my, my middle brother was going through some medical stuff as a kid. And I was like, truly, while he was dealing with this, I was actually, performing for him. Yes.

Like, not just like, oh, cheering him up. Like, I was, like, doing numbers and da-da-da-da. And doing, like, my little buttercup, like, Shirley Temple and tap shoes. And, like, actually, no one was like, Jackie. But then when I would notice, he would need, like, more and more support for me, my, so much of mine I know as funny people, but so much of my value is wrapped up in performing and keeping it light. Everybody's having a good time.

And, like, I'm reading every person's energy in the room and I'm going to turn the person who's fucking cranky and it's like the whole it's all the same and it was like always my job and I remember even like

to the point when I wasn't that person it was like is she did she has she passed like she she's just in her room not doing a soft shoe like is she you know

it was like a big deal if I wasn't even at school I was always the like performer class clown musician singer just always outward facing.

As they say on the internet, same. Same. And I look at it for my family, like that I, like, I took it upon myself. Like, I will be in charge of morale. That will be my job. Don't make me cry. Yeah, yeah. That, I never thought of it that way, but it is morale.

Yeah. I will be in charge of morale. This person flew off the handle. I got you. Funny lipstick bit coming in three, two, and we're here. Right. Or I anticipate some, you know, like somebody's coming in hot. I'm anticipating this. I'm going to lay down some suppress suppressive comedy groundfire. That's correct.

Just to sort of like soften things up and see if I can't head off a conflict. And you can. And, you know, that's a lot for a fucking 12 year old. Truly. Truly, truly. But yeah, but it is like, you know, when I asked the question, I didn't have like a, but it's like, oh yeah, that's just that is. that is like, like, when you're doing all that entertaining to keep everybody in your little unit, the unit that, like, protects you. The only unit that matters. Yeah, the vessel that you exist in.

And you're, you're keeping them happy, but you're also like swinging at ghosts. You're also like, you know, like, oh, there's sadness near. Hold on. Let me get it with my funny sword. Yeah. Truly. Yeah. And that's, I've taken that. directly into adulthood, directly into audition rooms, directly into any medical stuff that me or anyone close to me has had to deal with. It's always like, we're on top of it, we're lighter than it, we're above it. You know, sometimes we're in fetal, but like most of the time trying to keep it together. Well, no, I mean, it can be a very, you know, once you grow up and work through it, it's a, I mean, I still don't mind taking care of people. I still don't mind making people.

laugh and you know i mean that's like i don't you know i like to i like to have fun you know and i like to be funny and so it's like you know that that's i i still take it upon myself me too because i like it it's like a great way to be um you know and and after you know 40 or so years you start to be like you know what there are some uh relationships though in which i am giving far more than i get A hundred percent. And maybe I should not do that, you know, and it takes a while. Some energy vampire situations and you're just like, I'm actually good here. Yeah.

I'm grown up and I don't need to keep choosing this. Yeah, yeah. Did you encounter that a lot? Oh, yeah, sure. Mostly my partner relationships, like dudes that I think that was like most of them. Because most of my friendships I don't think are too energy vampy. Like I've definitely taken out, I was just going to say the friend. friendship scissors, but that sounds way puss to puss, and that's not what I mean.

I mean, I mean, like, cutting people out of my life. Oh, okay, all right. I mean, I don't mean the pust of a, but look, come on. The friendship scissors. I just been like, wait a, hey, you want to see the friendship scissors? Hey, remember, remember we were talking about anal before? This is similar, but different. So, but I've taken out the like, this is, this is not it.

And it wasn't even necessarily every time because I was giving too much. It was just like things disintegrate. Yeah, it just happens. But with relationships that I've been in with boyfriends in the past, I can't even articulate the level of energy vamping that was going on. Just like, why am I? There's a hole in the bucket. Stop trying to put water in the hole.

Yeah, it's going to pour the bucket. And then there's that whole definition of insanity thing, yeah. And then two years later, I'm like, weird, it didn't, just didn't change. You didn't go to therapy or do anything different. I just thought this would change. Johnny, holy bucket, did not work out. Was there, was there a, I mean, without being too personal, like, what kind of turned, helped you turn the corner on, on that?

Or is it still in process? Because for me, it can still be in process. It's always in process, but I've been with my boyfriend, Joe, now for four years. And I get nervous saying things like this, because. I'm just superstitious. It feels similar to, like, talking about a job before you've filmed it and seen the can. That's not a thing. Nothing, nothing matters.

We're all fun. Okay. They're just words. They're just sounds going into the air. Okay. He's the greatest and he's my person. Yeah. And I love him so much.

Yeah. And so it's great. We're great. We both go to therapy. And so we're able to, like, come home and be like, hey, that thing from the other day is still kind of. taste like shit, let's cool we discuss. And nothing really feels like heavy. It's all just like, oh, let's talk about stuff.

He's an actor, writer, director. He's wonderful. I want, like, we want all the things for each other. Yeah. It's really delicious. Yeah. And so I, the answer to the question is like, now? It changed now?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, my ex is before him. You just, you just found the right person who is going to be kind. Yeah. And I just think my, I've dated a bunch of comics. Mm-hmm. And I don't have a bad thing. You probably know most of it.

Like, I don't have a bad thing to say about them. Love them. Yeah. But, like, we were both maybe on too similar-ish. I don't know what it was. Yeah, yeah. But it didn't work. And I think the people that I've dated, there's, like, intermittent energy vampires.

And so it would come and go. But I think my thing was always picking someone that, like, was available presenting, but really was not. Right. it started changing when I had a therapist years ago who said this can also be misheard like friendship scissors but that my picker is broken and he was like you're really doing like I think therapists probably they're not supposed to say things like that to you they're supposed to just listen to you honestly I think the difference is like what they're what philosophy of therapy they come from because there are some that like I'll tell

you fucking everything I think about you and then there's others like no it should be for you and they just listen for four years I don't think just someone listening to me rant as very, very much what's happening today here, you poor thing, is like, you know. I think your picker's broken is a fair, fairly good clinical advice. And he just said, I think your pickers broken. And he also said to me, which always gives me a fucking chill down my spine, that picking unavailable men over and over and over is the definition of a female commitment fob.

So you come into therapy all the time and you cry about how they're not giving you a baby. They're not engaged to you. They're not wanting to move forward. You're dating a Peter Pan syndrome fucking stand-up comic who's 49 and was never in a serious relationship. You thought that you were going to be the one. Like, no, you knew you weren't going to change him. And now you're crying about it. You keep going to the auto parts store and being like, there's no groceries. Correct. Where's all the embroidery materials? You're not at Michaels, bitch. Yeah. So it's like, that's what I did over and over. And I think until I had a therapist,

because I did talk therapy, obviously still do. But until I had someone really hand my ass to me, I was like, these guys are never this. And I'm like, and I would look at my girlfriends who, you know, were married or had babies or all this stuff. And they're just so, like, I've never ultimatum to anyone.

I've never been like, you know, we need to move forward or else. And then I talked to so many of my girlfriends and they're like, oh, the only reason I got married. Yeah. Because I was like, we're either getting married or we're not doing this.

And I was like, I didn't know, that was an option. Yeah. And also, I don't, I'm not sure if that's. No, I would never, right. You know, I'm not saying everyone does that. But I just think it's like, it's not that heavy, but it's more just like they're sort of in conversation and in love and being like, no, this is the next step. And like, if we're not heading in that direction, like, we need to have that conversation

and, you know, not ultimatum, but like, no, I'm saying, I've never even done that. Yeah. I have never even been like, hey, let's talk about the future. I've just been like, want to watch Love Island for four years. Yeah, yeah. Well, no, and when you find somebody that is like willing to talk about you. I know. It's just like.

It's crazy. It's really, you know, and because it is like it's just, what are you afraid of? I know. What are you afraid of? And that's what's funny is, I remember I dated this musician years and years ago, and I loved him so much that I never wanted to bring anything up because I was like, this, he's my dream person. I need to be with him and I don't want to make waves because I want to be with him. Yeah. And there's two things that can happen. Either you speak your piece and this person

can't take it, which immediately means they're not your person. Obviously, what am I not going to be able to articulate my needs to you? That's insane. But when you're 25. Right. Or they'll hear you and they won't go anywhere. But if they go somewhere, then cool. But you can't look at it that way when you're a kid and you're like. Well, no, no. Yeah.

And it just, well, and also too. I mean, I still, there's also an avoidance that you might say of conflict or of like having difficult conversations. That's just pure laziness. Yes. That's just like like because and especially not so much, not so much with, like, my spouse, you know, like my partner, but there's certainly been people

in my life that I, I, an outside observer could look and say, you're letting that person take advantage of you in some ways or what that person did really does need to be addressed or that thing they said to you, you should, you should give a little pushback on that. and my answer is i don't have the fucking energy i ain't got the juice i just you know what it's easier to just let it go over me and and just keep moving on because you're talking about you know like a malfunctioning machine and i am not a mechanic if it spray sparks at me you know like i'll just i'll move around them but that's i can't fix that that whole contraption you know i'm I'm going to take a break and put my head down for one second.

You're talking about a malfunctioning machine and I'm not a mechanic that's coming with me today. It's really profound and it's so true. And I think the other thing I was going to say when you started this fucking brain melting journey, it was that, oh, that when people don't want, when people want to avoid conflict, there's two things. There's one, this very clear thing that you've articulated, which is, oh, that's that person's, is not going to help me or them or the situation to even address that. Yeah, yeah. But exactly to your point of not with my spouse, not with Joe, I find any time in a relationship with someone where it's healthy, an attempt to avoid conflict only ever causes more conflict. So you're like, I don't feel like it. I don't want to do, da, da, da.

Well, now I'm resenting. Now I'm noticing that your shit is all over the place and I didn't just say, but now, so it's like, well, I don't want to be nitpicky and I don't want to be emasculating and I don't want to be mommy and you like shut the lights and I don't want to pick up your socks. But it's also like, then I'm, then I'm turning into a gargoyle who's just like fucking annoyed that I have to be. So it's like I've always found that avoiding conflict is not a real thing. And I've, and I had an X years ago who was like, you have an issue. you with so much shit, I pick my battles. I'm like, no, 99% of your battles are in your head, and you're still fucking mad about it. Yeah, yeah. And you're thinking about it

and you're toiling about it. Yeah, yeah. What a hero. You didn't say it out loud? You're arguing with no one. Oh my God, how incredible are you? Yeah. You didn't say it out loud. Which, by the way, I would have been like, oh, I didn't realize. Thanks for telling me. Cool. And it wouldn't have been a fight anyway. Yeah. So when people think they're high-roading it,

sometimes, you're like, come on. There is, though, there is, though, the ability to let's just take pick up your socks you can decide and i mean and i by you i mean me like there has been things i've decided you know what i'm not going to let that bother me yeah i'm just going to let that shit go because is it like is it profound enough that it's like really that it's really meaningful in some way or is it right like something i'm just going to like or is it just me And sometimes if it is like just something that really bugs the shit out of me and there's no deeper than that, then I'll say it, you know. But then I think we're grown up enough to be like, I realize this isn't a big deal.

It just bugs the shit out of me. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. And then you can also. And then you're like doing me. If you're my partner, you want to help me. This is something that like bums me out. Yeah.

You can also make up snotty little bits about them. I've never done that. What would that be like? That's like my wife. I'm never done something like that every day. My wife will often, with a package that comes, like A, I am sure she knows how to break down a box. Stop. But why would she ever do that?

And often there will just be like in the kitchen and not even like placed in sort of a, here's something we'll get to later. Just kind of in the kitchen a couple of cardboard boxes. and I will yell up, oh, are these for the garbage boy to get? Oh, I like that. She'll yell down, yep. Yep. You know? And I mean, and it used to bug the shit out of me, but then once I came up with

garbage boy, all right, I'm the garbage boy, you know. We have a similar one, which is I talk too loud as everybody who's turned down their radios has already noticed in this conversation as I get closer to the mic. And one of my best girlfriends in New York didn't create this as a bit but we're so close that like we're just not going to be upsetting each other and one time we were in New York

we were going to see a show, we're on the subway she was like looking at something in a magazine and I was like, can you believe? Da-da-da-da. And she just was like, you're shouting. And then continued and I was like, oh, can you believe that da-da-da-da. Then we're out to sushi and I'm like,

this menu is crazy. You're shouting. And now Joe, obviously I'm talking too loud. He, I gave him your shouting. and now he says it to me and it's lifted such a weight off his shoulders because he's like how do I tell you 98% of the time

that it's truly just a volume issue? Yeah, yeah. Just you're shouting. And I was like, I got the response. He's like, I say that to you once at a restaurant you are going to be in such a bad mood for the rest of the night. And I go, try me.

Yeah. I'm telling you, we've now communicated about it. Yeah, yeah. I'm now not allowed to be mad. Giving your permission. Now Garbage Boy says you're shouting. And it's fixed. Yeah, yeah.

But it was like something that would bother him all the time of like, oh, I don't want to make a big deal of it. And it's not that big a deal. And she'll just, so what he would try to do to combat it is he would lower his voice. And then I'd be like, huh? I can't hear you now. What do you say? Maybe if I talk louder, you'll make me hear you. No, no, no, I was just what I was saying was.

And I was like, oh, got to tell me, you got to speak the needs because I'm not reading between the lines, obviously. My kids will tell me, my older kids will tell me that. No, Trina or the other one. No, Trina, Trina, Trina, and his sister. Trina will tell me. His sister, Trina? Trina. And Trina.

I often in a restaurant, but it's also, too, because I think sometimes, and I don't know what it is, I've had my hearing tested, but in a restaurant, sitting across a table from people, I can't hear a fucking thing. So I will project, and my kids will be like, you're too loud. You're like, well, I haven't heard a single thing anybody who said for the last half hour. And I take their word for it. it because I know I could probably be too loud and I can be too projectee but it's like I'm you know how it's like talking with headphones on of course you're trying to you're you think you're just talking at a

normal level for what your ears tell you is a normal level but it's like oh no I'm shouting grandpa and you take them out yeah 100% I'm the same yeah screaming always and you know what's funny well I don't scream much because I grew up in a screaming house oh I don't ever ever ever I've ever, ever, ever raise my voice. Really, really scream. No, I just am, my, my stasis is a shout. Yeah. It's like I don't, inside voice.

You have a median voice. Yeah, come on. Yeah, there's no whisper. There's no shout. There really is. There's just this middle range. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, I don't ever really shout.

I'm not a screamer because I grew up in a screaming household. Me too. And I, in fact, I had a moment with my, with my mother when my, when, when, when Trinuts was a baby. And I was tall. crossing him in the air, and my mom standing right next to me, and I'm going to back off the mic, she went like, she went like, don't do that. And I just, I caught him. And I turned to her, and I said, we don't do that in this house. And she went, oh, okay, we don't do that in that house. That was my entire fucking, I just got full body chills. I remember coming home. My house, my baby,

my life. Yes, yes. I'm not your baby anymore where you could scream at me. Yeah. And I came, and it helped that I had a, uh, at the time, thriving television career. Sure. Because that kind of shit does matter. Yeah. If I, you know, if I was a taxi driver, she probably would have been, you know, I'll yell if I want to. Go ahead. It's someone else's house. But, uh, yeah, it was, uh, oh the, I forget what I was going. Oh, I, I, I know, I'm just just saying I remember and I still remember this. I remember walking home from, uh, football press. Okay, he's an athlete. And it was, well, it was a small time. I understand. Anybody. You sign up, you could, if you were a warm body, you could be on the team. I'm walking home for football practice and it was dusk.

It was night, like night had fallen and it was a beautiful summer night. It was like, must have been, maybe school hadn't even started yet because football practice starts before. And I'm walking home and I have my gym bag and the sun is, you know, kind of gone down. And it's just absolutely beautiful. I live in a small town, kind of out in the country. And I am perhaps between a quarter and an eighth of a mile from my house. And I hear, When are you doing again?

And I just was like, oh, my, because it was a beautiful night. So all the windows were open, you know, and everything. I just was like, oh, I have to go back in there. I have to go in there and live the rest of this. And literally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, yeah, it's a lot. And after I've done all the work on the morale, they're still screaming.

Yeah, 100%. Cannot, you can only do so much. You know, those archetypes, those sort of Joseph Campbell archetypes that they apply to the family. And like the one that was me, my brother was really into him for a while. And like the one that was me was like, I don't remember what it was called, but it was sort of like the center, the special, the favorite, you know. And he was going, he had a therapist that was really. really into these. And he said, like, I think you're this. And a lot of the stuff was, it was like, you know, you're like, I am charismatic. I'm fucking great. I'm shiny as fuck, baby.

Yeah. It's like, yeah. Like when you, you know, like you give somebody ditch water and then you give them Coca-Cola, they're going to be like, it's going to be better. I like this one. It's going to taste better. Yeah. Right. And a blind taste says. Um, but the one that really struck, stuck out to me was, you know, aside from all of like, is the favorite, all, it feels responsible for morale, perhaps doesn't connect, you know, as deeply as others would. But at the last thing was usually the first to leave. Oh. And I was like, and he showed, I think I was still there when he showed it to me and I was

like, oh, they're on to me. That's wild. They're on to me. I left when I was 17. Yeah. And I didn't realize until my 30s that I was trying to go away. Yeah. Isn't that weird?

Just get out of there, yeah. I was just like, I'm going to be going. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I had dreams, but also like really young to be. Yeah. Where'd you go at 17? I graduated from high school, and then I went to one semester at the University of Delaware. And instead of finishing in between semesters, I moved out to L.A. to do my crazy.

Wow, wow. Yeah. Maybe I was just 18 by a few months. Yeah, yeah. And I, yeah. Who did you live with? This is a funny, funny question. Yeah, yeah.

The YWCA. That's right. Y, WJ, the Jew one. Oh, is there a Jewish one? I don't think so. No. Like, good luck. Yeah, have a bite of mandal bread.

Maybe it'll give you some stamina for the road. So I came out. So my, the University of Delaware had the weirdest breakdown of semesters. There was like a mini-mester, but it was law. in a full trimester situation. Right, right. There was like the fall and whatever, spring, I don't know, I dropped out of college. I don't know, my God, but something like that, you know.

No, usually people know the seasons. The normal messers. Yeah, you don't need to go to college. But I didn't know, is it a fall or is it a fall? It's a fall on a spring. There's a fall on a spring. Yeah, there's not a summer. That makes sense.

Or a winter. Got it, did it. Fall and spring. Yeah. But then there was a big enough break in between the fall and spring semesters like December to February, two months. My God. Really weird at the University of Delaware.

And my agent, Aggiegold and me and my mom, went to California in between semesters because I had two months to have pilot season and go on auditions. Oh, it did coincide with pilot season. It was December because pilot season was like starting in January. I think you in Delaware, it's probably some old thing like it was, that's when we get the crabs. That's when we get the crabs. You know, like that's when we harvest the crab or some shit like that. Totally.

It was a harvest crab season. And so there was this weird break. And so I went to California. and it sort of was immediately going well in terms of like getting auditions or getting this meeting and I had this development deal almost immediately and I was like, well, I'm not gonna,

I was like going and doing schick at the studios for executives and stuff like that. Yeah. And then I got this development deal and I just dropped out of college but it was because this is a throwback. I went to the TV Guide Awards because I was on the nanny

a couple times when I was a kid and I was very good friends with the kid who played the son. So he took me as his friend date to the TV Guide Awards, which were hilariously a thing. Yes, yes. And I met that actress Jessica Beal there, who goes by Jesse, and she and I became immediately fast friends.

Yeah, yeah. Like very... Are you the same age? Yes, exactly. And we were both like tombish and deep voice, funny, weird, whatever, and we became fast friends. And so in the rest of the weeks I was out there, she and I kept hanging out.

And then things were going kind of well with these meetings. And I was like, I might just stay here. And she was like, oh, my God, dude, totally. You could, like, stay with me and in my family in Calabasas. So I dropped out of college and moved in with Jesse Bill's family. Silver spoon much? Oh, that old story. Oh, that old story.

If I had a nickel for every shitty broke actress that moved in with Jessica Bill's whole family. Truly, her younger brother Justin, her parents came and John, like, they were my fam. Her mom taught me how to write a check. like crazy. They were like my peeps for a while. Yeah, we had a couple of those in our house growing up. I love that. You know, like just a couple like. In your parents' house or in you or your wife's house? Oh, interesting. In my parents' house. Yeah. In my parents. What happened there? How does that happen? Like my friend Ilsey, her parents, there's always one or two or more people living at their house. Yeah. And that's, it's so fascinating. It just kind of happens. I love it. It was friends of my brother. I mean, one for sure. I feel like there was another one, but another person that lived with us for a little while, too. Just kids having problems with their parents.

Yeah. And like, can I live here? And we were like, our house was very much the hang house. Yeah, mine too. And my parents were pretty cool. Mine too.

And it was, you know, it was also the like the drinking house. Like kids could drink at our house. Yeah, mine wasn't quite the drinking house, but it wasn't not. Yeah.

You know what I mean? I don't think like no one had out there, you know, their breathalizer. It was just like people were doing. My brother was smoking weed. And my parents, I think, were, they were, like, they probably just, because I'm sure that they had had a couple of, you know, V-O-Dry Manhattan's on the rocks.

That will be in my head with an olive and a twist. Okay. Excuse us. Sure. That will be in my head for the rest of my life. But they would, you know, they would put across like, you're okay to drive, right? Oh, hilarious. You know, like.

Because if you can, I'll take you. I think they might have taken car keys to, you know, I don't remember exactly. but we certainly did, you know, because, and, you know, like my, that was, and I had the same thing with my kids where it's, like, I could not be a hypocrite about it. And my parents, before I was even of age to drink, would tell stories about, and when, and I've talked about this on two, I think, when they were in the 50s or, yeah, in the 50s, early 60s, they were drinking, like, cocktail. Oh, yeah, and their cars were made, yeah, and their cars were made of, like, aluminum. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were just like, right, right. It's like a square, like cardboard wheels.

I was bouts my way home. But yeah, but so, and I was always kind of the same way with like, you know, it's like, how am I going to tell my kids like weed is bad for you? Truly. Because sometimes, I don't know. Yeah. As it's as it's beneficial for you is what of my understanding. So, but yeah, it's, we did have this sort of open house.

So how long were you with? With her, living with her, yeah. Not, it's funny, at the time, it felt like years. Because you're 17, 18, you said, yeah, we're 18. Yeah. And she's on seventh heaven. Can you get your own apartment or something? Yes, but what happened at that point was then I officially decided to drop out of college.

Yeah. And I had done a pilot when I was 15. And one of the girls that tested for the pilot, her mom was still friends with my mom. her mom was friends with my mom and her mom called my mom Pam Blair she was one of my best friends to this day

Brie Blair great actress she's on all the things her mom called my mom and was like Bree dropped out of college and she's moving to L.A and my mom was like

Jackie just dropped out of college and needs to move out to Jessica Beale's house so we so Bree's mom you don't say you know truly truly

and then Bree's mom without my parents having to come out rented us an apartment and we lived in a one-bedroom

apartment on Hollywood Boulevard where we had like a box spring and a mattress Oh, good said neighborhood Yeah

they picked a good one for you. On cinder blocks and we would like sleep in the same bedroom and like sometimes I'd wake up in the middle and I'd be like oh there's Bree and then go back to sleep

like truly two girls one bedroom it was crazy but then that was how I got out of Jess is into Breeze and then And then I never left. You've been on your own for there, yeah, since there.

Yeah. And have you lived in L.A. the entire time? I have. Wow. I did some theater back in New York from like maybe 04 to 06, but then came back. I mean, I've just been, I've been in L.A. far longer than I was in New York. Do you like L.A.? Do you think you live here forever? Where are you from? When you were saying, you're a small town.

Illinois. Illinois. Illinois, yeah. I do think, I'm hoping to be here. I mean, I, I, um, I think I'm a little geocentric, but I, I, I, I, I, I think I'm a little geocentric, but I've been to a lot of places. And I used to tour. And so I have seen so much of the country.

And I'm just like, I don't know what holds a candle to L.A. Yeah. I mean, it's the spot. What are we doing? I'm a New Yorker. I like it. I do find myself as I'm getting older. What do you want more of?

I like go, I do miss. Quiet, country. Green. Green. Green. And this. And it's also, too, because I live in an old house that's half renovated and we haven't done the yard yet. Like when we moved in the yard was waist high in weeds.

Okay. And nothing it had done to the house for a couple of years. What part of town? In Pasadena. Oh. In Pasadena. The house is built in 1907. It's a gorgeous old house that just was kind of in disrepair.

And we renovated a lot of the inside, but the outside still needs it. And we haven't gotten to the yard. Mm-hmm. I'm the same in my house in Glendale. I've just like, have not done the outside. And it's just like, our yard is just like a fucking dust bowl. When it's, when it's raining, it's grass. You know, there's like some modicum of grass that happens. And then I have a really big dog who just acts like a dust powder puff. What's that person's name that dog? That's Daisy. And then we, I have a 125 pound dog and a seven pound dog. And a seven pound dog. dog and she's sunny so bigs and little's combo they're the best we had a 50 pound pit bull and a chihuahua yeah yeah but now we just have the chihuahua his name is glen yes i've seen him online yeah he's the number one best guys ever to do it yeah yeah yeah he only has a few teeth left but one's But he doesn't mean

Yeah, he's only The Upper Peninsula Yeah, you're not kidding Speaking of Speaking of places in the country I've toured, the UPI Yeah, yeah Upers

His one front tooth Looks like that exactly Wow That's great But the point of it was just to say That like I fucking love L.A And my boyfriend and I go back to New York a lot And he's still in like

Crossing, like he loves New York It's so And I love New York too I always will I do too I love it. I love it. I just, you know, unless, I mean, I need some fuck you money to, like, get a Brownstone in Brooklyn or something. But until then, it's like, I would love to have an excuse to go back to New York and live. Me too. But I would not, but like, if a truckload of money backed up, that's not where I think I would go. I don't, I don't know exactly where I would go. Same. I mean, part of it would be here. And I really do love Pasadena. I've lived all over L.A. area, but Pasadena is such a great town. I could not agree more.

I was literally there this morning. I never would have moved there because it is a little far. That's how I felt about Glendale. And but now that I'm there, I'm like, I will never live anywhere else. Also far from stuff. It's arbitrary. Well, I know, but you know what I mean. No, I'm saying that because I felt the same way.

I wasn't even looking in Glendale-Vasadena. And now that I live over there, I'm like, I should have looked even further. Like, exactly. Right, right, right. Yeah. I was looking, I was trying to be central. Yeah. And it, for me, when I say it's arbitrary, especially, obviously given, like, the Pandy, we were all home for three years.

It didn't matter. And also that, you know, the fact that show business is still in hibernation, it seems. Well, that's what I'm saying? It's like, if you lived in Marina del, we're like, what? If you lived in Venice, Santa Monica, Century City, like, what nothing is, where, when people say Central, to what? Well, I think Central. Like, are they saying Hollywood? I don't do anything in Hollywood.

I think central would be, like, especially, well, but if you're in show business. I can't wait to live downtown. If it's in show business. That, you know what? The Brinks truck backs up. That's where I'm going. Actually, there's some downtown can be pretty cool now. I don't know if you, well, all right.

I don't disagree. I just feel like it's, I'm not even being silly. It's like so cool. I can't touch it. Yeah, yeah. It's like when I was New York in my 20s, like stepping over crackheads in Alphabet City. It's like I'm grown. Right, right.

My neighborhood's quiet. Yeah. I think it's just like that all changed for me. I would. Like I'm not trying to be like downtowny anymore. The reason I wouldn't move downtown is the same reason that like I don't think I would move to Los Felis because it would just make me feel fucking old. Correct. Like I'd be what I'm.

You know, you go to a coffee place and I just would feel like, oh God, I feel like, I feel like somebody's dad visiting from Michigan. I went to this delicious place in Highland Park this morning. Uh-huh. And I was the senior in there by about 10, 12 years. And I'm in my young, I'm in my 40s. I don't need that. And I was like, oh, I'm, these people are my kids. Yeah, yeah.

That's right. No, there's so much, there's so much in my life that where I'm just like, you know, like, the one that is like the main example for me is like, I sat down to watch one episode of euphoria and felt like, oh, this is a, I should not watch this show. Yeah, this is not for me. Not for me. Obviously, I could watch this, watch every episode of it twice. No one's going to know I did. But I do, it does not feel right. Your chest plate starts getting tight.

Like, I'm doing something wrong. Yeah, I'm around teens that are doing drugs and sex things. I, you know, I should not be here. I should be, you know, wearing a cardigan back at home. It's so creepy. 100%. Yeah, we got to cut. I could talk to you all day.

Oh, I don't care for that. I know. I don't care for it. But I love you guys. But it's, yeah. I'm sorry if we didn't get to a single. thing you had on your list. No, there's no list. Okay. There's no list. Okay. I just mean like, I know on pods, I always like derail and talk about. Okay. You didn't.

You didn't. You didn't at all. This has been a lovely conversation with a lot of good stuff. I mean, they'll tell you. Yeah. See. Oh, great. Hey, boys. And they don't ever lie to me. I mean, they like everything I do. You know, and they have, yeah, they're huge fans. Yeah. No, they've never lied to me. Yeah. No, they've never lied once. Um, but no, this has been a wonderful conversation. Delicious. I had the best time. Um, let's see here. You play Esther on the Netflix. comedy. Yeah, sure do. Series, nobody wants this.

And it's coming back, right? Season two. Nice. October 23rd. It's all shot, obviously. It's all we finished in, this show blows my mind because I guess with the new age of comedy, you're only doing 10 episodes and it's 10 half hours. So we shoot March, April, May.

We are in and out of there. So we've been done since May. Yeah. And then we, season two airs October 23rd at a Netflix near you. And we're really excited, and I've seen it. And no spoilers, but just fucking cute as shit. Oh, awesome. Yeah.

Are they all out at once? Yes. Yeah, yeah. It's the dump release. I know, the dump release. Yeah. And I think they should call it back because it's really flattering. The dump release.

And is there anything else you want to plug? I always just say follow me on Instagram. So for all the latest and greatest at Jackie Tone, T-O-H-N. But just watch, nobody wants this. Yeah. I have other things. But I don't, yeah, just nobody wants this. Google you.

Yeah, Google me. I just Google her and then buy things that are advertised next to whatever the post are. Yeah, and I don't get anything from that. Right, right. Exactly. There's probably a lot of ED drugs. Yeah. Yeah.

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