The Three Questions with Andy Richter - Jenny Yang

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

Comedian Jenny Yang joins Andy Richter to discuss her path from labor organizer to comedian, using comedy as a force for good, her new podcast, and much more. Do you want to talk to Andy live on SiriusXM’s Conan O’Brien Radio? Tell us your favorite dinner party story (about anything!) - leave a voicemail at 855-266-2604 or fill out our Google Form at BIT.LY/CALLANDYRICHTER. Listen to "The Andy Richter Call-In Show" every Wednesday at 1pm Pacific on SiriusXM's Conan O'Brien Channel.

Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the three questions. I'm Andy Richter. I'm the host of the three questions. And today I'm talking to a super talented comedian and writer Jenny Yang. She's been called a comedian to watch by publications like Variety and Vulture. She's written on Gordita Chronicles, Last Man Standing, and Busy Tonight with Busy Phillips. She's had a recurring role as Xing in the Netflix original series, The Brother's Son. Jenny Yang, everybody. Can't you tell my love? No, you should check it during the show. That's, during the recording.

Is that part of your etiquette here? Yeah, yeah, sure. If you need to. We don't need a pantache. Go ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, let's get started. Hi, Jenny, Yang.

How are you? Oh, my goodness. I'm so good. Good, good. It's summer. It's good to see you. It's good to see you, too. It's good forever.

It sure has. I think the last. I saw you was at a party at Otsko's house. Yes. Yes, for sure.

Yeah. It's a small comedy community. It is. It is. But I also don't know where everyone is. Like,

you know what? Everyone's doing everything now. Everyone has a podcast. You know what? And as you get older, you just don't, you're not out

doing these shows every night. You're at home doing grown-up things. And so you don't know, like, where people are because they're home doing grown-up things too. Yes. No,

I do start, I do feel myself starting to get into that where I don't know where people are. Usually you'll just run into them at a comedy show. But I'm also like, I love sleep and also, you know what I'm saying? Oh, do I? But also I'm slightly forcing myself these days to like go out. You have to.

I mean, by you, I mean me. Are you out of these streets? No, no, but I definitely go through periods where if I'm just left to my own devices, I don't do fuck all. I just, you know. And because it's like, I like my house. I like my family. They're my favorite people.

You know, like, and after, and after you go through a day of, like, doing stuff and going out, it's like at night, it's like, oh, wait, shit, guy got to get, like, dressed up again and then go make small talk with people. That's your problem, Andy. You like your life. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah. We go out to escape our lives.

Yeah. Or when we're young. I mean, or when you're like, because I mean, I don't, you know, it's not a one, one size fits all sort of thing. But I think most humans are driven towards finding a partner and then, you know, hunkering down. That's like, it's like it's a pattern that you see. It's not like I made it up, you know, it's like it's. Who's this weirdo? Yeah, it's pretty common.

Yeah, yeah. Having children and dogs. Who's, who's coupling and then and then being domestic? What a fucking weirdo. But when you're younger, you have no patience for that. You have no time for that. That's true. I grew up not wanting, I grew up not necessarily wanting a white picket fence.

Yeah. Married future. Right. And then at some point, I don't know what happened. I feel like I healed my inner child. Yeah, yeah. And then I'm like, oh, I guess I'm okay to be around. Right, right, right.

I'll let people live. Yeah. It doesn't have to be a white picket fence, you know? I mean, it doesn't. But, you know, but yeah, you know. Andy, we were sold some American myths. And I believed it because I'm an immigrant. I know.

This is why I'm here. I mean, yeah, it's not like people in Taiwan aren't settling down. I mean, they are. They are. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they're also hooking up in public parks. We don't know. Are they?

I don't know. Listen, who knows what they're doing. You just threw that out. You're just insulted Taiwan's morality. No, no, no. It's not I am not slutching. Right, right, right. I am sex.

Affirmative. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, no, I. I'm sorry this this imagery came to my mind because like I did study abroad in Chile and I like you know was born in Taiwan and those are countries and a lot of other countries where like when you come of age you don't move out and so you're you still stay in your childhood bedroom yeah right and then until you get married yes and yes a lot of them a lot of and so I don't know if you know this but like that's why if they want to like hook up with someone they like be out in the public park wow wow It's a thing. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. What are we talking about?

What is this podcast about? I'm so sorry. It turned dirty real fast. Well, no, that I guess it's probably the same thing in Japan because I remember there was a photographer who did a whole series of just sneaking up on people fucking around in park and doing like flash photography on them. Was this art or was this a part? It was art kind of, you know, it was like, but it's like, you know, that street camera.

Yes. You know, street photography kind of art and, you know, captured life. But it was like that I just remember, it's like, oh, and I'm just into reading and it's like, you know, culturally, the cultural context of this is nobody can fuck at home. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for confirm.

Yes. Yes. Thank you for confirming what I said that could have sounded really out of pocket. Now, we're saying Taiwan because you were born in Taiwan. I was born in Taiwan. And your family is Taiwanese. They've been there forever. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, my mom is multiple generations. listen, it is a political question when it comes to who's Taiwanese or Chinese. Yeah. So there's some technical ways you could kind of cut it, but then it's also a political identity. So I would say, for the record, factually,

my mom side is multiple generations in Taiwan, the tiny island off of the Fujian province of China. Yeah. And, but originally the family is from the mainland. I see. But like five generations back. And then my dad is a, is a dirty. Mainlander.

Oh. You know those. He's Chinese. I don't like it coming out of your mouth. Well, that's how we say it. Chinese. Can I tell you? The only way that you can make that American Chinese pronunciation more racist sounding is if you're Australian.

Wow. Chinese. Thank you. I was like, I don't know what's worse. No, Australian's worse. Chinese. Chinese. Because they say Chinese, like they're chewing on something.

I heard the, but, you know, you don't expect, I don't know, just being from America, you don't expect other people to be good at racism because we, it's kind of our thing. But I remember I was on a flight to New Zealand. I was working in New Zealand and I was in a flight. And because someone else was paying, I was in first class. So it was swanky. Yes. And there was this, you know, late 40s, early 50s, flight attendant, male flight attendants.

And he's speaking to an American couple who said they were going to go to Samoa. You know, they're going on all these different places. And they said, yeah, we're going to Samoa. And he went, filthiest place I've ever been. Like just really loud. I was just like, dude, they're going. Just let them find that. If that's, okay, first of all, I doubt it's the filthiest place you've ever been.

But I was just like, like, that can't just like, that is not. just a hygiene statement. Like that's, there's a lot more going on there. It's racist. Who does that, though? When you think about it, who meets a stranger?

Yes. And it's just like, oh, you're enjoying a holiday where? Fuck that place. Yeah. Look that place and those people are garbage. I don't even know you. Yeah.

Don't talk to anything. It's all ridiculous. But yeah, don't say the word Chinese to me in an Australian accent. It sounds like you're chewing cud and it's extra racist. But you did not live there.

You left when you were five-ish, something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You did your research. Well, it's all here on this piece of paper. Yeah, yeah. Shout out to Team Coco for doing research. Absolutely. I left Taiwan when I was five.

Beyond that, I know nothing. Great. Yeah, so that's the research. You're just an empty vessel. Born in Taiwan, came here when she was five. That's all I want to know. When did they get here? No, I came to L.A. when I was five because my dad worked for China Airlines.

And he knew just enough. No, let me put it this way. He fooled the company. that he knew just enough English to come to L.A. Oh, that is a check that will be cast. Once you get here, you're going to need to know, you know. Yes, yeah. And that is why, since I was the youngest of three children,

and I was five years old, and I was the quickest to learn English, I became the family translator. Yeah, the supplest brain. That's right. I don't like the way you say supple. Well, sorry. While looking at my eyes.

You have a lot of problems with the way I speak. I'm tingled by the supple. No, no, no, no. I'm not, I'm no, no, no. So that, so was that, did they put that on you or did it just kind of work out that way? Andy, nature versus nurture. Let the states decide. Yeah, sure.

Yeah, like, when you think, think about you, like, what is a core personality trait that you have that really formed early on? Or like a role in your family that you played? Oh, definitely like, Marrador. Peacekeeper. Right. Yeah, yeah. And, well, like, did someone say to you, Andy, you must be the one to diffuse the tension in the room? No, they did not.

What? I mean, point well taken. Yes, yes. I get it. Something happened. And they created a space. Right. And you're like, I don't like this feeling in my nervous system.

And then you said, I will fix it. And when a plumber came over, they would make the six-year-old talk to the plumber, that kind of thing. Yes. Or just like, oh, yeah, just, you know. You got to come. to the DMV with me, hon. Oh, you're going to go to the doctor with me. And what is it?

Oh, let's translate, when was the last time you and dad had sex? Oh, my God. Really? Who's seven? What is sex? Did you have to do that? Yes. And what do they do?

This morning. How do you say this morning in English? I don't mean to make this whole theme of this podcast curvy and about sex. This is the filthiest podcast I've ever had. That's going to be. That's how you talk back to me when I'm being out of line. It's just use an Australian accent. That's enough of that, young lady. Yeah. Yeah, that's just what happens. And on the one hand, it's like, I like to call it like the thing that you developed as a survival skill in your childhood is oftentimes what you can use as a professional career. Yes.

Right? Yeah, yeah. And so, but sometimes that survival skill is not good for your personal life, for you to be happy. Well, I would say that it can be a very, because I, and I'm not being, because I know exactly what you mean. And it is true. Like, for me, making sure everybody's okay, that's a great thing. But there's also like, if you just scratch it a little bit, it's like, oh, there's a lot of sick broken shit in there too, you know. Well, everyone else is okay. How about little Andy?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. How about little... He'll worry about him. He'll be fine. He'll be fine. Another decade goes by. Nah, he'll be fine. He'll be fine.

Don't worry. He's sad all the time. But he'll be fine. I've read up on you too, Andy. And I know you're not fine. No, you scratch the surface and you realize like, oh, I am fulfilling a role and taking care of other people, but not taking care of myself, right? Yeah, yeah.

And so, yeah. I'm like, really good. at taking care of other people. I was student body president. Yeah. All right. I'm good at facilitating meetings. Yeah.

Just because I'm good at it doesn't mean I should do it because it eats at my soul. Yeah, yeah. It's really hard to sit through meetings and facilitate people who have conflict. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, like, that's what I did, you know, I went into, like, politics and I'm very good at that. Yeah. But I was like, but I must raise my inner child.

Yeah. And that inner child wants to perform poetry. And tell jokes. Now, as you got older, did that sort of, well, first of all, did any kids follow you? Are you have any younger siblings? No, so I have two older siblings. Okay. Right.

And as, as that went on, did that sort of parental dependence on you continue in a way that became unhealthy? Um, probably until I like broke free. Oh, I see. Which was when? Because like when you talk to my, when you talk to your siblings or other family members, they probably wouldn't tell that same story. Yeah. Like they wouldn't be like, yeah, mom and dad really depended on you.

Yeah, yeah. But it's more internalized. Yeah, why would they notice? Right, right. So it was more like, I'm not crying by the way. I just sweaty. I know. I'm just sweaty and it falls onto my Asian eyelids.

I'm just sweating tears. No, so, um, yeah, so I. What I realized was that, like, you know, when you, like, over-worry about your parents? Like, that's what I did. Yeah. Like, to the point where I couldn't be happy. You couldn't be happy ever. Like, if, like, I went to college and I literally called my mom because I know she was sad because, like, all the kids were gone.

And I was like, Mom, do you want me to come home because you're sad? She's like, what? That's ridiculous. She's like, are you not having fun in college? I was like, no, it's great. I made a lot of friends. I'm doing great here. Wow.

Yeah. But that's a sickness. Yeah. Why did I do that? Yeah, yeah. This is like 20 year old, 19 year old Jenny, you know? Yeah, yeah. But that's why like, I love talking to college students because I feel like it's such a

formative time. And I learned so much about myself during that time. Yeah. And one of those things is like, oh, literally that moment, I was like, okay, this is going to be a lifelong problem. You're going to have to work on this or you're not going to be happy. You cannot over-identify with your parents in their sadness or happiness because obviously you need to break.

free. Well, it was probably, when they got here, did you, you probably just could sense their sort of... Struggle. Yeah. Oh, my God. At being in this place. I mean, it's different when you're a tourist in, like, foreign country and you feel the anxiety of not being able to communicate, but when you're like, oh, no, I'm here.

Yeah, I live here. I live here. I got to figure shit out. Yeah. Yeah. I really think about how hard it was for them, you know? And they didn't put that on you. That was just kind of, you felt it by osmosis, you think?

Yeah, but it was also a direct like, hey, translate this bill so you could talk to the electric company. Yeah. Yeah, that is a lot. Have you ever gotten a sense that they understand that your parents understand that burden for you? No, no, no, no. Are you kidding me? These parents. Get him on the phone.

I'll talk to him. Dad from the grave. Yes, hi. Oh, I didn't know he was dead. Oh, shit. Oh, well. If I can't throw that in someone's face. what good is my father's passing i'll go to a spiritualist and talk to him that's right i need to talk

to jenny angstad uh barry sonnetfeld the director was on here and he oh wow nice he had uh he's been a couple times and uh he his mother was a piece of work yeah and when he got out of high school his mother told him if you go to sleepaway school i'll kill myself yeah and so he was home depressed for two years until he just couldn't take it anymore. But like, isn't that? That's like so. It's fucked up and funny. Yeah, my God.

I'll kill myself. Like, that's a worry that kids have with like depressed, upset parents. Like, what if they? She's like, no, let's just get it out on the table. I will kill myself if you go to sleepaway school. That's a nice thing for college, you know. And when you're a child, you think about it literally. Of course.

You're like, oh, God, I can't do. this. It's like, well, she meant it literally, I think, you know. Listen, you know, we're comedians for a reason. We're artists for a reason. Yeah, yeah. We got some stuff to work out. Yeah. But I think, I think, you know, being able to heal that stuff makes you happier and hopefully more creative. Yeah. That's what I think. Well, it's important to do that. It's important to do that. And, and you think, because I have older kids, too. I have a 24-year-old and a 19-year-old. That's right. Yeah. And, and I thought I had done a real. really good job up until a few years ago.

And then it's like, you realize like, oh, no, there's still some, I miss some shit too. Yeah. You know, and I, I, it's kind of, the cat's kind of out of the bag with a lot of it. Like, yeah, but I, at least I can acknowledge, you know, ways in which I kind of was maybe a little too laissez-faire with some things. Oh, is that right? Yeah, just kind of like, well, you do what you want, you know, with like, with like school and work and career and stuff.

Yeah. that was what I was left with and any sort of intrusion on that, I was like, get the fuck out of here. Right. Now you're going to tell me, you know, like, you've been relying on me for all this extra shit that I shouldn't be having to do. And you're going to tell me what I should do. Get the fuck out of here. Oh, that's interesting. With them, you know, like I think I could have been a little more sort of, uh, I mean, it wasn't like I wasn't present, but I just was like, hey, do what you want.

Do what you want. You know, which- Create more structure or guidance. Yes, exactly. I think that they could have used a little more structure than why. Have they given you that direct feedback? A little bit. Oh, interesting. They're old enough now that they can kind of have that conversation.

Absolutely, absolutely, yeah. I mean, I'm happy that they can do that too. I'm happy that they can, you know, fill out the comment card and put some negative things on there, you know. And then how did you respond? Like, are you receptive? Yeah, I'm receptive. Yes, absolutely. In the beginning.

I was a little bit defensive, but, like, at, you know, my, you know, my son at one point told me that he wished I had, like, kind of ridden him a little harder about, like, school and career stuff. And I was just, there was, I did say to him, like, I'm sorry, that's just not me. Right. Like, I can't. And there's even things now, like, parent, parental, fatherly kind of things that you should be doing this. Right. Like, this would be good for you if you did. X, you know, we'll say.

Like all the parenting books. Yes. Or just, you know, but just like, no, there's something like, you know, when they're, especially when they're older now. Right. And which, by the way, it's an awful time to be a young adult. It's just an awful time. I literally talk about this on stage about how I feel so bad for Gen Z.

Yes. Gen Z. And it's, it's not that long between, you know, like when I was a kid, when you were a kid. Yeah. It was a lot better. I mean, it was not as terrifying and hopeless, you know. Listen, you know, we had to. duck and cover for earthquakes in nuclear war, but now it's different.

They're simulating active shooter drills. Yeah, yeah. How do you do that? And it's also like, you know, well, Florida might not exist. You know, okay, okay, no problem. Well, I'll get busy, you know, being productive and everything. I feel like there's a generational thing because, you know, my partner is solidly sort of like young Gen X, elder millennial.

Like, and he grew up with a very hands-off kind of parenting. Yeah. And he, so he thrives in chaos, you know? So he's maybe not a real, like, love structure kind of guy. But then I wonder how he's going to react if and when we have kids. You know what I mean? Because I feel like there's always a back and forth. There's like, a generation that's like, must be, you must be a certain way.

And then the next generation's like, no, I don't want to listen to you. And so you kind of translated it to like, hey, man, I, I'm not going to be that parent that's going to be on your back. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, because I don't, you know. I was not raised that way, by the way. So I could tell you from the other side what that's like.

What? You were raised like, you're going to do this and you're going to do that kind of things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's, I feel like there's a happy medium. Yeah. There truly is. Oh, the happy medium is that is the, you know, the Zen unattainable goal, I think, of parenting is always going to be like you're going to try and, well, if you're if you're you know some some people are like my parents were shitty to me and I'm going to be shitty to you

you know yeah um but I think most people who are kind and try and do the right thing as parents are like I don't like what happened to me I'm going to try and write that right but they're still going to be blind spots and you're not going to be perfect and you're going to you're still got your own bad programming that's going to end up somehow affecting them in some way you know yeah I mean I mean I mean, I really relate to Gen Z, by the way, because I feel like they're afraid. They don't want to be perceived. They don't want to be recorded because they don't want to be canceled. They also don't touch each other.

They're not fucking. I read a Pew Research Demographic report. This is how it works. Yeah. They're not fucking. They're not partnering up. What's the point of being young if you're not fucking? I know.

And they don't want to risk dating even. Yeah. You know, they can just like be on their phones and in their online communities and chat on the discord. And look at the porn and, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they don't feel like they have economic prospects. Like, it's a whole thing. And I didn't feel like I necessarily didn't have economic prospects,

but I know what that's like to, like, grow up low-key repressed and be like, I'm afraid of the world. Yeah. And, like, I was a little late bloomer in that way in terms of, like, feeling comfortable dating and doing things. And so I'm always just like, when I have a chance on stage, I'm like, who's Gen Z? Who's not fucking? Look at each other now.

Live your life. Go. Go and do it. In the park. Taiwanese style. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what I say on stage. Wow, it's a transcript.

Well, now, you mentioned it that you went into politics. So comedy was not, like, that was not even really on your plate. No, no. But you know what, though? I would channel my creative urges into productive things. Extra credit when we get to do creative things. I rewrote. rap songs for trigonometry class.

Like, do you know what I'm saying? Like, that is not a joke. I did not make that up. That is not an exaggeration. Like, and then for student council, we had a big public high school where if you made people laugh, they'll vote for you. So I would write these speeches.

You would give these speeches and it's like compulsory voting. Yeah. I won because I could just like make a joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I didn't know what I was doing. I was just trying to be charming, right? Right, right. So, and then in college, I became a very hard.

hardcore student activist. And I realized, especially for my East Coast friends, I'm like, oh, this little poetry I wrote since the fifth grade in paper to feel my feelings, I can actually read it out loud and perform. So for a while in my 20s, I actually was in L.A. known as a poet. Wow. That's a legit thing to be, you know? Listen, I mean, between choosing poetry life or comedy life, what's more lucrative? You know what I mean? That was really a tough choice. Well, yeah, sure, but, you know.

There was more opportunities in comedy. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, that's, that's, what, what were we talking about? Oh, politics. Yeah. It was like a foregone conclusion that I would just go into politics because I was so intensely about it. I was like, I need to save the world.

I, college gave me. Well, you did go away to school. You went to Pennsylvania to Swarthmore, right? Swarthmore, yeah, yeah. I don't know how many of you know Swarthmore. I know a very nerdy school. But how did you pick there? I mean, did you, was it a thing where?

Because I definitely, like, I got to get out of here kind of thing. Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah. I went to a big public high school in Torrance down here in L.A. And everyone was just aiming to, like, go to UC Berkeley or UCLA. Yeah. I got in. But I was like, oh, my guidance counselor.

She really was an influential person because she was like, you have really good grades. You're on the free lunch program. You can apply somewhere and they'll give you money, especially private schools. Have you heard about this thing called a small of arts college? I was like, wait, what's that? And so for a second, I almost was going to go to, like, a women's college. Oh, wow. Feminist.

Dirty feminist. Right. Women. But I didn't. The closest thing to a women's college was the co-ed institution of Swarthmore. So I went there. Everyone was so friendly, you know, because I came from a big school environment. And I love the, like, small-towniness of Swarthmore, you know?

So, yeah, I got really politically active. and I just knew I was going to, like, go into politics or, you know, mass movements. So I worked for a labor union and some nonprofits after I graduated. I was about to be trying to be an elected official, honestly. Were you really? Was that in your head? I did these, for those nerds who know, I did these, like, semi-precious fellowships that were, like, make people, like, I literally have, like, cohort mates from these fellowships who are now elected officials. I'm not going to name who they are.

Wow. Like straight up, like, one's a congressman. We have like city councilmen. We have like, yeah. And so that was what I was built to do. Just like talk in front of people, respond to conflict. Yeah. You know, which is really good prep for like doing stand up, honestly.

Well, and for show business too. Yeah. Because there is a lot of like negotiation and mediating and people managing. A hundred percent and tough personalities and, you know, making, saying, hard things that might not please everyone. Yeah, reading a room. Yes. Yeah.

So when I went from, you know, working for a labor union to doing open mics, it's like, people are like, what is it like to be a woman in comedy? What is it like when they heckle you? I'm like, have you ever had an L.A. County public employee leader want to throw a chair at you? No. Because you're talking about the contract that everyone negotiated that they didn't like or whatever, you know?

Yeah, yeah. I have. Yeah. This is nothing. show me your tits i can handle that you're saying like that's nothing they never no union member ever said that uh right in the history of all labor unions yes but show me your tits i'll throw a chair at them no but like that's um i don't know i guess for whatever reason i think the kind of audacity i had to build and courage to just be in like a foreign environment yeah where i didn't know what was

happening. I got it from being a little immigrant. And I had to navigate the world without my parents. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. So I just have this weird muscle in me that I know how to like exercise. Because you know, working in show business, every day you're in an uncomfortable situation. Every day you're doing something new. You're talking to someone new. It's never the same. Even if you're doing this podcast. Yeah. I could go off the rails right now. Well, you know, go ahead. I mean, you walk through the the metal detector when you got here, so it can't be that bad. Don't worry.

I'm sweating too hard because this polyester dress does not breathe, and it is the height of summer. I appreciate you. You went to the trouble, but you didn't have to. I did. I did. Because I wanted to look like Wednesday Adams. Just as a tie-in to the new season coming out. Yeah, yeah. No, no one's paying me.

Definitely not Netflix. yeah no the the there's also too just getting up in front of people and talking and being comfortable with that you know and that is like you get you there is stage fright can be bullied into submission because there is a natural kind of stage fright that people can kind of have and I mean and now too it's like for me to get up and talk in front of people it's just any kind of you know it's like the gag reflex of of stage fright is gone Right. It's just like, oh, yeah, no, I can take it on. What do you want me to, what do you want me to say to these people? Their cars are on fire. Okay. Hey, everybody.

Listen up. Yeah. Yeah, and I feel like it's, what I've learned about that is I feel like a lot of it is training our nervous system. Yeah. Don't you think so? Because, you know, I feel like there's a whole other podcast where all they do is talk to like celebrities who have like problems with their, their anxiety. Yeah. And stage fright.

And the wildest names that you, you're like. Like, why would you have this anxiety? Being on the Conan show was astounded to me how many big, really big. Like, I'd be like, you're a fucking movie star and you're nervous about the next five minutes? Like, Jesus Christ. Yeah. Who gives a shit? But you know what it is, too?

I've learned also, this is a separate note. What I've learned about certain actors is that they truly do not like to talk as themselves. Oh, absolutely. Right? So that makes them nervous. Exactly. Give me some lines. I need other words.

I need good words to say, not mine. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. So there isn't that element. But yes, use all first hand, like even the most seasoned theater performers, even, they'll show up to the Conan show and be like, yeah, or sweating or, you know, doing a little pre-show poop. We know about those pre-show poops. For me, it was always pee.

It would always be, no matter how many times I peed the second it was like, all right, we're going on stage. You'd be like, oh, shit, I got to pee again, you know. Yeah, so I forgot what we were talking about, but. Pooping and peeing. You know. It always gets there. no we're just talking about like being in front of people yeah i mean were you the funniest person in the in the union you know in the union organizing like no no you know like in high school i was um

the the place that i let myself be obnoxious and crack jokes was um banned oh really popular um yeah i'm the band wise ass because because this is what this is how i would do it i realized i realized I was a very good student. I was like one of the top students of my class. And, you know, yeah. And so in my AP and honors classes, the teachers would give me a little bit of leeway to like make little comments as appropriate.

That was like germane to the conversation but it might be kind of funny or pointed. And so I would get my little yucks that way. But really it was banned where I would just, I don't know, I don't know what was wrong with me. That's why I'm here now. That's why we're. Was just you couldn't keep.

Yeah. Yeah, I would just like, because, you know, I don't know. Oh, I used to make teachers furious. Right, because you're sitting there and you're like pointing out the weird thing. Yeah, yeah. Pointing out the, right, whatever's in the room that everyone's thinking, which is like, you know, comedy 101. Right, right. And that's like, you know, a class clown 101.

Yes. But I wouldn't, no one would ever have said that I was a class clown. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. Very much within like some kind of like sandbox that was allowed for me. Yes. Because they knew I was a good student. Well, and also I understand it too because I was.

like more the class wise ass. Yes. Because the class clown is kind of, to me was, because they're definitely, we had class clowns. Right. But they were more just like sort of the horse's ass that needed all the attention. Right. Right. And like, you know, they weren't, they, they, they went Whittier or Bain. We were whittier.

Yeah. We were incisive. That's right. We were there to poke holes in those. Social commentary. The teachers. No, I used to, I mean, I used to just kind of, you know, it'd be, it'd be funny. be funny it'd be funny and then at a certain point the teacher would just be like get the fuck

out of here would you cross a line because yeah because i would get a good reaction and you'd keep going i would be poking them a little bit it was usually it was usually the teachers that i didn't like there was something about them i didn't like right i thought they were like mainly the ones that were dumb i know the ones that were dumb and didn't and they acted yeah and they acted like they're so fucking smart and that they know so much and it's just like Honey, you're in trouble now because I am going to, you know, I'm going to, you know, just side comments and stuff and, you know, which was odd because I couldn't, on the other hand, I could do that and I could, they could get pissed at me and stuff.

But like I didn't, I never got in trouble trouble. Right. You know, like I wasn't like breaking into the school after hours. Right. Climbing power lines or anything like that or, you know, boosting cars. I, because that was like, oh, I'm a good boy. I'm a smart ass, but I'm a good boy, you know. I feel like you just described the bad kids from grease lightning.

Yeah, yeah. Yep, that's me. Yeah, they're not really that bad. Yeah. So, well, what, I mean, do you remember a moment where you're like, I got to do comedy? Like, I got to get up there. Was there a motivator? Was there somebody that said, hey, do the open mic night?

Over the years, I would have, ever since college, I would. would say. I had people say, you're so funny, you're like a comedian. Or they'll be like, you remind me of Margaret Cho. And at first I'd be like, oh, because we both got round faces, round Asian faces in my brain. And then later, when I like learn more about Margaret Cho, I was like, oh, she's amazing. Yeah. I took it as a compliment. Right, right. You know, and like I said, in college, I performed poetry and that continued into living in L.A. as a young professional. And so when I would perform, it'd either be very, I would make you cry or I'd make you laugh. Oh, nice. But in my head, I was very in denial of my identity as a creative

person. Yeah. I just knew that that was an emotional outlet and that I was good at like being in front of crowds. Yeah. And so it wasn't until I was so burnt out from working in the labor movement, just so burnt out, just giving the best of my childbearing years to them. And being like, I am unfulfilled, and I do not look up to these people that are now, like, my bosses. Yeah. Was there a hopelessness to the cause? No, you know. Or it was just, you had enough.

I care about the cause. I believe objectively that labor unions need to exist a lot of times in order to balance the power because billionaires have too many. Absolutely. Too much power. But, like, within the system of the labor union, there are real humans who run it. Yes. And those humans are not perfect. Are deeply flawed.

Very flawed. And within any organization, you have people who are motivated by different things. And I just realized that, like, this change that they hired a bunch of us who were in our 20s and early 30s to become directors who are, like, professionalized. A lot of young women of color to be part of this big labor union. And once we got in there, we realized that they didn't really want to change. They didn't really want to adapt to the times. You know, like the percentage of America that's unionized is dying. ever increasingly, you know?

And so anyway, like, I just was like so stressed out. This is not gratifying me anymore. They don't support me. Went to therapy. Went to group therapy, in fact. And then I just, one day I was like, had this like surge of adrenaline. And I was like, what is it about what I'm doing that I need to do differently? And then I realized I was like, I need to just be open to the universe and be creative.

I didn't know what it was. And I literally called my friend Tracy, Katokidiyama, who mentored me as a performance poet. She created the space I used to perform at in Little Tokyo in L.A. And she was notorious for writing poetry all through the night because she would slam like a quad espresso at 11 p.m. She's that bitch. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I would, I called her at like 10.30 p.m.

I'm like, hey, Tracy, are you going to be up? I really need to talk to you. And I'm crying at this point. She didn't even have to ask what it was. Yeah. She was like, she's like my sister. I drive down the 110 to Gardina where she lives. Open the door.

She hugs me. I was like, I need to be an artist. Balling. She's, okay, come in, come here. Yeah, yeah. You know? And yeah, man, like, we just talked through it. She's like, what are you feeling?

I'm like, yeah, I don't know how, but I need to honor it. Because I've been in denial of people would call me a poet or a writer and I would be like, oh, no, no, I just do this on the side. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It was a huge hurdle for a lot of people who become creative, right? to be like, some people, it's like, this is the only thing I know, like Judd Apatow. I'm 10 years old and I know I'm going to go into comedy.

I'm interviewing Groucho or whatever the fuck he was doing. Then there's the rest of us, right, who had all these other ideas of what real life needs to be. And real life does not look like comedy. Yeah, yeah. Or art, you know. Right. And so. Or should it, you know.

Yeah. No, there's really, there needs to be people doing different things, you know? Anyway, so, yeah, after that, I was like, I'm going to be open to the universe. And the 25th time that someone was like, hey, you're funny. You should be a stand-up comedian. I listened. Yeah. I was like, you know what?

Before the end of the year, I'm going to try to do an open mic. Yeah. And then after that, I was like, I need to take a class. I'm going to take an improv class. Yeah. And you could, even when you started doing comedy, you became an organizer. I know. You didn't do it.

You produced disoriented comedy and national touring comedy showcase of Asian-American women. Yeah. And then eventually non-minary because D-Lah. joined us, an incredible theater artists as well as stand-up comedian, Delo. Yeah, I mean, I was just like, what it was? It was like 2013 and I'm like, Hollywood's not going to roll out the red carpet. Let me tweet. Let me make some videos with BuzzFeed. Let me produce my own stand-up comedy tour because they're not, I'm still learning my comedy. Yeah. You know? And yeah, so I just use my skills to produce basically between 2013 and 2018, I produced two shows. I produced two shows.

every month, one in L.A. and one somewhere in America, independently. I would just like find random people, like a random person in Portland off Tumblr. And she was like, Sympatico. So I was like, hey, you want to help me produce a show in Portland? Wow. And we would sell it out. Like, I made money. Yeah. You know? And then I did a comedy festival, an Asian American comedy festival called the Comedy Comedy Comedy Festival, colon, a comedy festival. Yeah. Which is an Asian American Comedy Festival, but nowhere in the materials that Asian American. And everyone was Asian. And we had one show, though, that was a diversity showcase.

And that featured like Adam Conover. Just one white dude. One white guy. Yeah. But that's what I did until 2018 before I got my first late night writing job. Yeah. Yeah. Does being, you know, Asian identity forward, like, is that something that is easy?

Or are there times where you're like, can I just be? Jenny, you know. You tell me you've been in this comedy game. I feel like people sometimes get pigeonholed, you know? But I mean, I don't know because I am vanilla ice cream. Are you? Well, no, but I mean, I'm a white guy. So I don't know, like I don't.

Vanilla's very flavorful. Well, I know. I love vanilla. And vanilla is also the base of every other flavor. Wait. They always start with vanilla. Yeah. Okay.

Chocolate ice cream is vanilla ice cream with chocolate added to it. Get out. I'm not kidding. Okay. Well, look at you. Yeah. Versatile? Well, no. I mean, yes. No, but I just mean that like white male culture is the omnipresent oppressive thing. So for me to say like, like, oh, I'm tired of all my comedy being about my white maleness.

Like everything's about white male. Right. No, totally. It's not like, like I'm not gay or I'm not, you know, disabled. I'm not all of the many things that like lots of comedians. Because I will, there's times when I see comedians, I mean, from, you know, like overweight comedians that have to be like, hey, look at me. I'm over, you know, like, where it's like, honey, why don't you do something else? Like, I mean, not a different job, but just different content. But I think that they, that's what works. Audiences, they see someone come up and they have crutches and they're like, they better make jokes about them crutches or I'm out of here. Yeah. I mean, that's like rule number one for stand-up. Yeah, yeah. You want to disarm an audience, right?

Right. You make fun of yourself first. It's playground rules, you know? Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, this is something that I honestly have been, like, shifting in my brain around because I'm at a point now where it feels like mid-career, you know, and I'm like, well, you've been doing it.

I've been doing it for a while and I make a living, yeah. Craftsperson at this point. You are a journey woman. I mean, you know, I've been lucky enough to do TV writing. I, you know, during the pandemic, I really laid off on being online and doing stand-up. And so you're catching me now. of being more comfortable being out and about in this comedy streets. Yeah.

You know, on podcast, making my own podcast. Yeah. And it's like my attempt at like getting back into the conversation. You know, it's like a game of double Dutch. And we're just, and I was stepping out for a minute. Yeah. Here I am. No, yeah, no, I get it.

And I'm looking at the world and it is a fucked up world. You know, the comedy writing jobs have decreased, number one. to stand out and stand-up comedy oftentimes you need to go viral and that was true for when I started because I was able to go viral on Twitter or on like

a BuzzFeed video that I used to like freelance for and that gave me jobs and like opportunities and now it's a different scenario so now I'm like it's 2025 I guess I'm making a podcast

that's so weird for me to hear that's how it feels to me because I feel like I'm like when a young comedy person asked me what should I do like the old thing I used to be is like, well, you know, get, if you want to do standup, there's standup classes or go do open mics and get yourself among standups.

Or if you wanted to be just more of a sketch comedian, do improv, find improv, go to improv. And now that doesn't even work. Now it's like sort of like, get online and get people, get a million people to like shit. I don't know, you know, it's like, and then they're like, well, how do I do that? I'm like, I don't know. I have no idea. So it's funny to hear you say that having done that, having done that, having. gotten online and done some viral things that then translates into legit work.

Yeah. Where you're like, I don't know how to do it anymore. Because a lot of these people, too, they don't. Right. Because I had Hank Green, you know, Hank Green. Yes. I had him in here. And it's, it's so strange to me where it's like, like somebody that starts out and they have, you know,

they're sort of like an entertaining science person and then kind of political. And it's like, oh, you start out on YouTube. In my old man mind, I'm like, oh, and then you can get a legitimate. a job. And for him, it's like, why the fuck would I do that? That would be a step back. A hundred percent. Like doing my own shit on YouTube is the pinnacle. It's like the most money I'm going to make, the most coverage, you know, the most reach I'm going to have. No, there's like, I feel like the business model is topsy-turvy and this is, I don't know how relatable this is for the people who are listening. But like, I feel like because of

technology, so many of our industries, whether you're in media or entertainer, entertainment or not has been shifting. And I'm just trying to figure out like, yeah, maybe the goal isn't to get a legitimate, you know, legitimate quote unquote TV writing job. Even though I'm still going to pitch TV shows and submit, but I need to just think about what I'm offering into the conversation as my own person. Like you're, you podcast so much. Yeah. You know what I mean? And you're offering yourself to the conversation and you have this platform. You have this legacy of being a part of Team Coco, which is incredible.

And I'm trying to build that for myself. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, of course. Yeah, and so, I don't know. I just feel like with what's happening in the world, too, I just feel a sense of urgency around then wanting to create the conversations that I feel like we need to be having that might be tougher. That's why I'm like, for the first time,

put up like a paid subscription to my little substack, you know, podcast. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, what should we talk about? I obviously couldn't come up with a better name because I was like, that's the question, you know? No, simple is usually best. I guess.

And I've been enjoying it because it's, you know, it's when you're political, back to your question about like, do you feel like you have to like always talk about your identity or whatever? To me, it's almost like, you know, if you talk about politics, that almost makes you not as marketable, you know? Or like brand deals, you know, Banana Republic isn't clamoring to come talk to you with a six-figure deal when you like to talk about how Banana Republics as an actual historical thing

is a part of colonialization. Right, right, right. You know what is they like? It's like a mind fuck. And so I'm trying to navigate right now. What is it like to be a comedian who cares about the world who's not a straight white male comic, you know, who's still kind of rebuilding

what it means to be online again? And also in these streets, because I do still do stand-up comedy, to, like, have an impact in some way, you know, and have conversations that might be hard. Like, recently, I don't know if you've been following, but, like, you know, like Mark Barron and Bill Burr have been doing their podcast rounds, you know,

promoting whatever they're doing, and they're talking about the state of comedy. They're talking about how everything's politicized and how there's this alt-right turn, right, in the manosphere, quote-unquote. And thank God they're talking about it because they are widely respected as the straight-white men, legacy men,

in the industry where maybe, some people who are Joe Rogan fans might like listen to them a little bit and question themselves. Absolutely. But my ass, if I'm out here, Jen Kirkman, all these other people who are not white men who might have talked about these things forever, you know, about how, how rotted sometimes these sort of male comics have turned to podcasters have really like add to the toxicity of our political discourse. They're not getting lauded.

They're not getting re-shared and retweeted in the same way, you know? And so that's the calculation I have to make around. I want to talk about certain things. Obviously, I'm going to be Asian nonstop all day 24-7. That's just going to come out of my pores. But that's why I did this show for two years, once a month, a dynasty typewriter, called Self-Help Me, a competitive self-care comedy show. Competitive, yeah. Yeah, because self-care already felt competitive, so I made a way to win.

So it was like a satirical game show where we focused every month on a different wellness or self-care trend to make fun of because as a perspective, as a woman of color, who, you know, you buy something really expensive. from Arawan and that's shit that my grandmother fed me, force fed me when I was five years old, you know, like, that's weird. I want to make fun of it. And so I can talk about wellness, but it's always going to come from this perspective of who I am. I want people to know, though, that I can talk about more than just directly my identity. Right? Or just directly politics, even though I am, I try to keep up with that, you know? Do you feel like you're doing a good job with that? No, no, I mean, quite seriously, quite seriously. Do you feel like you're doing a good job with like, You've given yourself this challenge and you're out there trying to make it happen. And I mean, do you feel like you're you're making progress to your own satisfaction? That's a good question. Yes, a little bit. It's written down. They knew we were going to get to this point.

I mean, you know, I think I was lucky enough to be employed by my mainstream Hollywood jobs between 2018 and last year. Yeah. Which is so fortunate. And this was during the pandemic, during the time that there's so much death and economic strife. When show business stopped. Right. And things were restructuring, right? But after last year, I sat and looked at the rest of my 2024 and I was like, who am I?

What am I doing? And so I had a little Menti B, as the kids say, a little mental breakdown. And I really had to ask myself that question. What am I doing here? I needed to re-ask myself that question. You hit a reset on purpose. A hundred percent. I had to because I was so disappointed and deflated by, number one, I was employed.

And yeah, I made a good living from it. But what am I doing? I was serving other people's visions. Listen, as a lifelong sidekick, that's like part of your Wikipedia. You might know what that means, right? Yeah, I absolutely do. And, you know, and I stopped being a sidekick for a little while. Yeah.

On the one hand, it gives you a really nice, comfortable role. But on the other hand, who is Andy Richter? Yeah. Right? And that's part of why you got into this game is to have your own voice, right? And so that's what I asked myself. I said, what am I doing in 2025, given my current financial circumstances? What can I do?

So I decided I'm going to pay myself to chill the fuck out, rewire my nervous system because I was like not in a good place. Go through my own little live laugh love of like resetting my vision and like what am I about, remembering who I am, talking to the people who care about me. And then by this year, earlier this year, 2025, I was like, I'm going to do a podcast. And I'm just going to do it as a practice, a weekly practice. I produce it on my own. I shoot it on three old iPhones and a little Zoom recorder, you know, and I'm out here, you know?

Yeah, yeah. So in my own way, I'm figuring it out. But to me, when you have, when you, like, here, this is, I don't know much, I care about the world too much. That's my problem. I can never be cool, right? I'm like a lifelong tryhard. Yeah. That's just built into my DNA.

And when I care too much, it's hard for me to just be like, I just want to be silly. You know what I mean? Which I do. I desperately want to be silly. And I do. I try to. But there is also this part of me that feels a responsibility to be a part of where we are in this moment in history. You know, with this current administration, with world atrocities.

I'm just like, I can't deal. I have to feel things and talk about it. And that's why I created this podcast. And so I don't know if I'm like having an impact as I grow my subscribers. Maybe that'll give me a metric for like whether. I am, but, you know, I think the impact is, is how you feel about it. Yeah. No, I feel good.

No, you're right. Yeah. As I get older, it's like all I, it's, all there is is what is your experience, you know. No. I mean, you don't want to shit on people. No. And if you're being nice and a good person. Yeah.

Then, but in terms of like your, you know, measurement of whether or not you're a success or whether you're doing it or, you know, it's just. Just are you enjoying the moments when you're awake and asleep, too, for that matter? But, you know, like, are you enjoying your life? And that's, you know, because that's for me, it's like, you know, there was, you know, sort of this different kinds of ambitions, not like huge ones. Right. But, but I, you know, and now it's kind of like, I just want to make stuff.

Yes. I just want to make stuff and be around good people. I don't want to go broke. That's not part of it. But I definitely like, I don't need everything. I just need to, like, make good stuff and have fun because I'm the, I care about the world a lot later, but lately it's just too much. Like, I feel like Rome is burning and I'm like, yeah, all right, I'll fiddle. I didn't set Rome on fire like Nero did, but I mean, like, yeah, why the fuck not?

You know, like, it's, and I can't not be concerned and I can't not. Like, I made this sort of, I'm not going to watch the news kind of thing. And it's like, okay, so I'm not watching MSNBC for four hours a day or whatever the fuck it was or listening to NPR for three hours a day. All the information is still getting through to me. Of course. I still am hearing all the bad shit that's happening and being like, like I just, I don't say anything because all there is to do is a wordless shriek to the heavens that goes on for like three hours. Like that's the appropriate response, you know. I appreciate that. I feel like it's very relatable to a lot of people. I think the more I do these conversations, like I talking to you, talking to Larry Wilmore, Margaret Cho, and like Maria Bamford on my podcast. I found myself starting to shape the conversation at the end. Thank you.

No, no, no, no. Listen to my podcast. No, but like I found myself shaping the conversations to be like, not that like you've just been in this game longer than me, but I appreciate the wisdom you're giving me because I found myself. asking them like how do you stay into this how do you stay in the comedy game like how do you still feel fulfilled you know because that was the question I asked myself last summer and that was like my first big existential crisis as a mid career comedian yeah you know and so I feel like they're all saying the same things they're like all you can control is what you make bro yeah so just try to enjoy it obviously don't go broke yeah but like now the other kind of long running question I'm having in conversation I'm having in my podcast and that I want to have whenever I talk to comedians is, is how are we meeting this moment? And if I really was like Machiavellian organizer Jenny,

you know, mindset right now that didn't care about my own well-being, I would hardcore going in to try to organize fellow comedians. I'd be like, what are you doing? What are we doing now? Yeah, I want to be silly. But can we, and can we fiddle while Rome is burning, but fiddle in a way where we can not just like, like, well, we can direct people's attention towards something that could help to change things maybe. Yeah. And I'm trying to figure that. I don't know the answer. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know it either. How can I fiddle in a way that brings people in? Raises money for firefighting. Or whatever, you know, yeah. Or raise awareness as well as add a little point to it, you know, with some action. I don't know. So, you know, how we practice our art

is, is, it's very tactile. It's meat space. I don't like saying that, but why did I say that? M-E-A-T space as well as M-E-E-T space. So, you know, I have a lot of friends who are doing fundraisers. I'm, you know, trying to share information. But, yeah, I've organized my own little mutual aid group where we meet and we vent and we try to, like, encourage each other to, like, volunteer. Like, I, like, volunteered one time to be a Home Depot patrol person. I think I'm going to try it again.

I don't know, Andy. I'm just an immigrant. Who's afraid? All right. You always fall back on that. immigrant who's afraid who isn't that's an immigrant these days of course you're afraid that's like that's like somebody once said about like you know one of one my kids was like 19 or one of my kids was like I have anxiety and I was like you're fucking 19 it's 20 20 whatever like fuck yeah you have

anxiety like yeah you better if you didn't that would be the kind of like then I would be worried if you were like I don't have any anxiety you know that's a nice response rather than back in my day yeah I'll show you anxiety no it's like yeah honey I hear you you know what do you think that the you know the student council president the girl that was translating at the DMV what do you think that is the main thing that the Jenny you are now has learned that she didn't know oh um that you don't definitely shouldn't attach yourself esteem to your work. Yeah.

You know, but that's easier said than that. Yeah. You know? Because I do derive a lot of joy and esteem from the work I do. And society pushes it on you. Exactly. They love a hard worker because they'll give you more work. Well, what do you do?

The question, what do you do? Which is a very basic existential question. It just means like what, what do you, what's on your tax returns? Right. Totally. Right. So listen, as I've been working on with my therapist, I am trying to be a better human being than a human doing. Nice.

Yeah. Have you heard that? That's good. That's pretty good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pretty good. I mean, for like gross say things, that's a pretty good one. Right, exactly. So you have to say it with envelopes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think I'm also remembering that, like, I deserve joy and to have my needs met, right? And good things. Yeah. Because when you grow up being the he-he-haha of the room, sometimes you're not dealing with your own needs. needs, you know? And so I love, I love a sad clown that's grown. Yeah. A sad clown that's evolved, healed. Yeah. Um, I think we, we can lead the way. I don't know. Oh, that's great. Well, Jenny, thank you so much for being here. This has been a wonderful conversation. And I've

loved talking to you. I know. Same. And so plug the podcast. Yeah. It's what should we talk about. And the home of it is at jenny yang.substack.com and you can listen and watch video of it, free previews that are slightly shorter on jennyang.substack.com, but it also gets pushed out wherever you pod. Oh, great. But if you want the full cut, you got to have a bad ball. You got to get into substack. You got to go to Substack and be a paid subscriber because pretty soon today, I don't know when this is coming out, but, you know, I'm going to be, I went to like, I've been on location, too. Like, I went to upstate New York to, like, talk to Morgan. Specter of the Gilded Age.

Wow. And the finale just came out. Oh, fun. You know, of the season. So I'm like, yeah. All right. You need to come and listen to that. And what about us?

Watch Morgan Spector smolder. On an old iPhone. Yes. 4K. I shoot 4K. All right. There you go. And then stand-up.

Where can people find out where to see you doing stand-up? Yeah. So Instagram, Jenny Yang TV. My website's jennyyang. dot TV for like bigger shows. And then, and I forgot to mention the substack is jenny yang.substack.com. Well, Jenny Yang dot, thank you for being here. This has been wonderful.

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