The Three Questions with Andy Richter - Lily Sullivan

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

Lily Sullivan is one of our favorite improvisers working today! You’ve seen her on “I Think You Should Leave,” “Righteous Gemstones,” or on tour with Comedy Bang Bang. This week, she talks to Andy Richter about celebrating rejections, putting yourself out there, buying baseball cards for your husband (when you know he’s a basketball guy), what she learned from her live show, "Lily Sullivan Presents: Quit While I'm Behind," and much more.Do you want to talk to Andy live on SiriusXM’s Conan O’Brien Radio? Leave a voicemail at 855-266-2604 or fill out our Google Form at BIT.LY/CALLANDYRICHTER. Listen to "The Andy Richter Call-In Show" every Wednesday at 1pm Pacific on SiriusXM's Conan O'Brien Channel.

Hi everybody, this is Andy Richter. I am the host of The Three Questions with Andy Richter. And this week, I am very excited to be talking to the very funny and my friend, Lily Sullivan. Lily is a great actress and improviser and writer. She hosted the podcast Going Deep and This Book Changed My Life. She's been in tons and tons of stuff. She's got a part in the Deli Boys just recently. And she's a frequent guest on Comedy Bang Bang. So I'm sure you've heard her there. We had a great time and this is my conversation with Lily Sullivan.

["Lily Sullivan"] Well, Lily Sullivan. Hello. You've been crawling back. Did you bring me here to roast me? I did. After that one improv show we did. That one improv show we did. That one comedy bang bang.

Did we do a comedy bang bang? We did do a comedy. Yeah, yeah. It was a while ago. You were like one of my first times on. Oh really? You were the guest, I remember. And you were so nice.

Oh good. And I remember being like scared. Oh wow. But then I remember making all these Greek references because my family's Greek. Yeah, yeah. And you were like getting all of them and knew what I was talking about.

Oh, I love the Greeks. I love the Greeks. I just had a lot of Greeks in my life. And I mean, just how being Greek, what a commitment it is. It's such a commitment. I'm like a combination of pretty much just all the whites mixed together. But it's like English. Yeah, that's boring. You shouldn't tell people that. mixed together. But it's like, you know, like English. Yeah.

Like, no, you know. Yeah, that's boring. You shouldn't tell people that. Yeah, yeah. Or, you know, in German, there's the whole, that's the problematic in many ways. You can't be saying that. Yeah, and Sweden, but Swedish is like,

like nobody's like, you must marry a Swede. You know what I mean? Whereas like the Greeks, it's fucking serious business. I'm actually, so we're Albanian Greek Orthodox. My dad, so for ever I've been like, I'm Albanian. That's what I was raised, and then my dad did like a 23 and me and he's like, no, we're like fully Greek.

And I was like, but we're still like from, our family like came. From Albania. Yeah, my great grandmother was like a mail order bride from Albania. Wow. And so I was like, that doesn't that make us Albanian? And he's like, no.

He's like, I've always had this, this draw to Greece and we are Greek. And I'm like, okay, well, so now, I mean, I think I've been on many podcasts saying I'm Albanian and now I'm like, I have to say I'm Greek now. I don't know what I am. I like how he says, I've always had this draw towards Greece. Yeah, compared to Albania? Yeah, no shit. Well, yeah, it's like, yeah, it's a really beautiful place.

Like, I think a lot of people have had that draw. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, no, nothing against Albania, but, you know, I mean, it's not Greece. Well, no, and they were like, I mean, their whole economy was like a pyramid scheme. They were obsessed with George W. Bush. Was their economy a pyramid scheme?

Yeah, I think it like crashed. I don't really know the specifics. All I really know about my heritage is food related stuff. We eat a big spinach cheese pie that we make every year. We put a coin in it. It's called the La Croix. It's called the grandma choker. Yeah, that's how most of my grandmothers have passed. Is that an Easter an Easter pie? No, it's um, we do it at New Year's

But I'm sure it is like I actually don't know what the actual tradition because there's you know There's that's a common you put some little prize in a pot. Yeah, I can you know, New Orleans It's King cakes. Yes, exactly baby and whatever, you know, I know I looked those things up recently I was like I want to buy a bunch of those little- Those little babies? Yeah, those little babies you put in. Oh yeah, you can get them, thousands of them, for a dollar.

I know, I was on Etsy, I was like, these are so cute, and I was showing them to my family and everyone was like, we don't want those. I thought it would be like a good Christmas gift. Everyone was like, we don't want this. A choking hazard baby. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, I think I told you before that,

where I grew up in Illinois, which was like 70 miles west of Chicago, was still pretty rural. And as you went further west, it just got more rural. But there was a series of truck stop diners in the area, kind of far flung out, like a lot of them out in the middle of nowhere. And there was one like at the end of our town, like kind of outside of town, Albanian owned.

Really? Yeah. Like somebody obviously came, some Albanian came and got into like the truck, you know, like Big Apple truck stop, you know, and, you know, in like a diner kind of place. Yeah. But like in those days, the only immigration raids we had were Albanians because they would come like once a year

and just clean out the kitchen. Like everybody in the kitchen was an illegal Albanian immigrant. You know. Good for them. Yeah. It's funny because my, actually, so my dad's cousin who's Albanian immigrant. Yeah, good for them. Yeah, yeah. But it's funny, because my actually, so my dad's cousin, who's Albanian, his name's Sukol, and he lives in Chicago,

and he's like a building manager. But he'll occasionally come to our parties and stuff. Like my dad's having a birthday party or something, he'll come. And he's the most Albanian man I've ever met, ever. I mean, literally, that's the closest I've had to visiting Albania. Right, right.

Does he have an accent? He does. And he'll be like, when he met my husband, Tim, he was like, he's like, you don't feed her enough. She is skin and bones, you don't feed her enough. And he's like, I don't feed her in general. I don't know why. You must nurse her from your teeth.

And he was shaming Tim in front of my dad to make a point like, you want her to end up with him? He cannot feed her. He does not take care of her. This is before you're married? Yeah, and this is what he got. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know.

I love him. Well, he did. I was going to, that was actually, it's on my list right here. Tim doesn't feed you enough. Thank you so much. That's such a hilarious, like who in today's modern world is like, you're not feeding your wife enough. I guess he's supposed to be cooking.

I know, I was confused by it too. Or just bringing you home cakes and candies. That's what I can't understand. He also asked, he was like, what's your brand? And I was like, what, my brand? And he's like, your brand, what do you brand? And I was like, what, my brand? And he's like, your brand, what do you smoke? And I was like, smoke cigarettes, what? And he's like, everyone has a brand.

Me and my brother are like, we don't smoke. He's like, what is your brand? Come on. Um, um, I don't know. Cigaroonies brand? That's hilarious. Now wait, I do want to go back to mail order bride. Yes.

Your grandmother? My great grandmother. Your great grandmother. Yeah. And this was for a Greek living in Chicago? It was for another Albanian man. Oh, an Albanian. She got shipped out to marry him.

Right, right. From the white farm in Albania. Yeah. Wow. I know, isn't that crazy? And then- And like, what year is this? I mean, I actually don't even know.

Yeah, yeah. Early, early 1900s. Early 1900s, not 1800s. Yeah, yeah. No, not 1800s. Okay. And then my, so then my grandmother, who her name was Cathy,

she married my grandfather, who I never met, and when he, he basically, they were married, they got divorced, they remarried again, but when he died, they found out he had multiple families. It was one of those fun things. Wow. Oh, that's so great.

So my dad will continually be like, we found another one, we found another family. Still to this day? Yeah, and actually in rural Illinois was found another still to this day. And actually in like rural Illinois was one of the families. Wow. Yeah. So I don't know, maybe we're like related or something.

I don't know. I'm amazed at the energy. Like how can I just, one is so much. Well, they used to just leave. They would like impregnate somebody. And then they'd visit like once every two years and like impregnate somebody. And then they'd visit like once every two years and they'd like impregnate them again. Here kid, I brought your brand cigarette.

And this guy, he was Irish. Oh. Yeah. Oh, well then. So they are. Yeah, those people have no morals. No, none. No morals. And I'm speaking on my family.

That's so crazy. Yeah. That is so amazing. So, but I mean, does your dad, because he has a bunch of half siblings. Yeah. This is your dad's. Yeah, yeah.

And he has a bunch of half siblings. Does he know them? Not really. Does he keep in touch with them? Oh wow. I mean, he keeps in touch with them kind of a little bit because like, for example, when my older brother graduated from college in like Oregon,

when he went, my dad was like, I'm going to go meet one of the families. Oh wow. I know. So like he kind of, I think he was, he's in the area. He went to like one of the reunions that they had, I guess too. He's, he's, all he said to me is they're farm people.

And I'm like, I don't know what that means. I don't know what that means, but they're farm people. They're farm people. It means they can, they can keep their mouths shut. Yeah. Is what that means, but they're farm people. They're farm people. It means they can keep their mouths shut. Yeah. That's what it means. Yeah, I mean. What it...

Is your grandpa still alive? No, he died... I mean, he died when my dad was like a kid. Oh, okay. And then that's when they found out he had multiple families. Oh, wow. So I never knew him. And was he keeping up with them at all?

I think enough. I mean, I don't know if he was, like, funding their lives. It seems, like, really expensive to have multiple families. But I also think, you know, that can't, you can't really do that anymore. Just, unfortunately, Andy, I know that you asked me how my grandfather got interested, because you are interested.

You can't really have multiple families anymore because of social media. Yeah. You get caught, like that. Like that. Fucking Facebook. Can you believe it all boils down to... multiple families anymore because of social media. Yeah. You get caught like that. Like that. Fucking Facebook. Can you believe it all boils down to-

I could really be sowing my seed out there. I had a driver once and I was in the car for a while. I don't remember like whether it was, it was a work thing, you know, and I was in a car that someone else was paying for. And this guy was driving me and we were getting along great. He's really funny, older guy. And he at one point excused himself to take a phone call.

And he was like, I'm with a client. While he's driving? Yeah, while he's driving. Yeah. But I mean, but like I say, it was, I feel like it was like a day, like a press day where he was driving me to different things all day. Oh, I see. So it was like all day. Yeah, yeah.

And you're like, okay. Yeah, so yeah. And I don't give a shit anyway, you know what I mean? But he was like, I can't talk. I cannot talk, okay? And then he like, he hung up and put it down and then got another call, and I don't know how it worked or something.

I think it was maybe another phone. And it was his wife and he's like, I'm sorry, I gotta take this. And it was about his wife and it was about an addition that they're putting on their house. And he talks real quickly about it and like says that stuff and then hangs up and he starts talking to me eight minute and then he looks down and he picks up the phone this other

phone and he goes like hello and somebody's screaming at him what and he said I got to call you back and he hangs up and I and I was just there was just it was hanging in the air and I was like what and he went like Andy I'm gonna be honest with you. Oh my God. Like so many other men, I have two families. And what had happened was that his girlfriend, his mistress had called him and he brushed her off. And then his wife called about the addition to the house and the mistress heard it and was pissed that the house

that he lives in with his wife and children that he's adding on to that he's spending money on adding on to his house. Oh my god. And I was just like how do you do this? He goes it's a lot of work. It seems like so much work. And I was like Christmas? Why do you want more work? He's like, for Christmas, he goes, I'll just say I'm going to the store and I'll just go over and like say hello to my second secret family. What? It's... I don't understand why people invite more drama into their lives.

Here's the thing. I think this is partially because I'm an actor. I just had to... That's the end of the story. I just wanted to say that. Okay. No, no, no. There's gonna be an intro where we say that. No, no, but I think because I'm like, okay,

I have, I, one of my first ever relationships was like really dramatic. Yeah. Like lots of drama. Dramatic? Oh, okay. I was hoping it wasn't traumatic. Oh, it was a little bit of both.

Oh, good. It wasn't like, you know. Good, good, spicy. Yeah, it was a little bit of both. Oh, good. Good, good. Spicy. Yeah, it was spicy. Yeah, yeah. But you end up being like, I'm like, if you need to take all your drama, I'm like, go take an acting class. Like, what are you doing? Why are you, like, I am a good,

I know that you can say what you want about actors, but at least I take all that energy and I don't exert it on my family or on, like, someone I love. Instead, I do it on stage. Or I do it in the audition. Get sloppy somewhere else. Yeah, like, what are you doing?

I always have had, like, a rule of just, like, and it's a dividing line in people with me. It's like, don't slosh your bucket onto other, like with kids, it's like, it's unavoidable, but mostly just like, Jesus Christ, keep it to yourself. I know, I'm like, if you're having a bad day, like go take a fucking bath. Can I swear on your? Of course you can.

The other thing, the thing though about going back to like the multiple families, I mean, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's like, a bad day, like, go take a fucking bath. Can I swear on your? Of course you can. The other thing, though, about going back to, like, the multiple families that occurs to me, and I mean, for, like, your grandfather, it must have been about fucking. I think it was.

I think it was, like, no consequences. And it really is fucking that great. I mean, it's, like, you know, it's, like, to ask that much trouble. Andy, have you ever fucked? I have fucked six times. That's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good for you. Yeah, yeah. It was, it was, I...

Was it okay? I think it was good. I think it was good. It was very dark. Yeah. And, uh... Good, all the lights were off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right, right. Yeah, you got it.

And I mean, and just with the movement of the van, it was hard to really know what was going on. And obviously, you had like the blindfold on and all that. Mm-hmm, mm, right. Yeah, you got it. And I mean, and just with the movement of the van, it was hard to really know what was going on. And obviously you had like the blindfold on and all that. No, I totally get it. I totally get it. But those kids are mine, I guess, they say. No, but that's, I just am like, I know. Like men are just so unbelievable in some way.

Literally, there was no consequences, so they were just spreading their seed around and it was fine. And everyone was kind of like, yeah, she got knocked up. And now we all, as a community, take care of her probably. Or she lives with her parents. I don't know. But her life's ruined.

Right. I don't know. I guess too, maybe some people's, like say this driver that I hit, like maybe he's just, like he has a loneliness that cannot be stopped. I mean, true. You know what I mean?

Like if he could have a third, he'd have a third, you know? Or there's a version where he had like one night where he like fucked up and he, Yeah. And then the lady got pregnant. Yeah. And now he's like actually like a really good guy. I can't remember.

He's a teenager of both. I can't remember if there was a kid involved. Oh, even that. Oh, well then he needs to ditch her. Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. Well, you never know. We should call him up.

Should we call him? I don't remember. I didn't keep up with him. He also told me, he was so hilarious. He told me that he had come back from a rhythm and blues soul, a thing for older black people, what it sounds like in the Bahamas,

like a sort of like, you know, like earth, wind and fire. And then, you know, and confunction, like this huge festival in the Bahamas. And he told me, he said like, I was so hung over that when I got on the plane, I said, I'm gonna need a wheelchair. Oh! And he said he got a wheelchair.

No way, he actually got it? He got a wheelchair and had him wheel him out to the curb. Oh, I've been that hungover on a plane before. I should have gotten something like that. He's like, no, I needed it. And I was like, really? And he's like, yeah, yeah. He said, I'm going to do it again too. It worked really great.

Oh my God. I was like, wow. Yeah. Genius. I know, I know, but it's like, I could not. I can't. I couldn't. The shamelessness that such a thing.

I know you really have to. I have too much shame. I have too much shame too. I have so much shame. The thing is- Is that a Midwestern thing? I think it is a Midwestern thing. I have too much shame. I know you really have to, I have too much shame too. I have so much shame. The thing is. Is that a Midwestern thing? I think it is a Midwestern thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause you're from Illinois, right? Yeah, originally I'm from Chicago, but then when I was 10, I moved to Telluride, Colorado with my mom. Oh right, I remember. And then my dad stayed in Chicago. Yeah.

He had a brief stint in Crown Point, Indiana. Ooh. Lived there for a little bit. Over, yeah, there's like a big theater resort-y place. Isn't there like some- I don't, I did see that. I think there is. I think there's like kind of like a resort-y,

like they had concerts there and it was sort of like some kind of resort-y thing. Crown Point, Indiana. Really? Okay, well I believe you. I honestly, I would just go there for the summers. I might've be gone. It was when I was a kid. I just remembered there was like kind of a, like a Branson,

kind of little Branson in Crown Point, Indiana. I mean, I bet you're right. Yeah, yeah. It was, for me, it was like, we would go there during the summer. My dad had like a nice house with an above ground pool and we would just like hang out there for the like three or four months, three months.

And then we go back to Colorado. So, and then I moved back to Chicago after college. And so the Midwestern thing is very ingrained in me. Like a lot of shame. It's very hard to be like, very hard to work in this industry and be like, I gotta sell myself. I'm not good at that.

My whole sense of humor is being self-deprecating. My wife is, well, first of all, she's in the music industry. She's reps directors for music videos and commercials and stuff. So she's essentially, I mean, she also then EPs the occasional thing, because that business is so structureless and formless. Like each video is completely a different thing. That's insane.

Especially now, like it's another business that's fallen apart. But she's essentially an agent. So you know, she's constantly, like the other day. How do you sell people? Well, no, telling me, like you should, and it's not like, it's not like, it's, you know, I'm being nagged or something. It's because she loves me and she believes in me and it would be certainly good for us and our family

if I were putting myself out there more. But she's like, you need to post more. I was gonna say, you need to get a TikTok. She's like, you really? She didn't say TikTok, she's like, you should post more. I mean, she goes like, get those follower counts up because, and she doesn't harp on it, but there is this moment cuz I just go. Yeah

Uh-huh. I know no, you're right. I know yes I know and then as soon as there's like a lull I just like Yeah, yeah. Okay. All right. Well, thank nice talk. Thank you But I I know you know, and I'm online, and I've been online. Yeah, you're online. Yeah. You're good online. But I don't, I'm not like doing character videos

and shit like that. Okay, but I'm sorry, and this is where I disagree with her. If all of a sudden you were posting a bunch of character videos in like wigs, I would be like, something's wrong. I know. Like we need to like, like we need an intervention. Marriage must be on the rocks.

My God, yeah, he went off his meds. I've seen enough comedy people decide to go really hard in the direction of I'm gonna post every single day like a front-facing comedy video. And I'm always like, is everything okay? Like, do we need to send in like reinforcements? Like I'm worried. And I think for myself, like partially I feel the same way

where I'm like, I should be doing more videos I should be putting myself out there more and then I'm like then everyone's gonna be like is Lily okay? Something's trouble. I know if you saw me all of a sudden posting videos every single day. No, I don't Honestly, and I'm not I'm not blowing smoke. I would think good. Yeah fun funny. Yeah Oh, okay, well every time I I like you and I like your work. So I would be like, you would be like giving me entertainment. So I would like it.

Well I think that's true of you too. But I think- I know, but it's, I mean, I wouldn't feel that way. I would just feel like, ugh. I know. But I also, like, here's the thing. It's a numbers game. So it's like, there's gonna be so many bad ones.

There's gonna be a lot of bad and then some will hit and everyone will be like, it's a numbers game. So it's like, there's gonna be so many bad ones. There's gonna be a lot of bad and then some will hit and everyone will be like, whoa, that was amazing. And they'll forgive you for all the bad ones. But God, you gotta really suffer through some bad ones. Yeah, and also you wanna be macho and not delete. Oh my God, I know. You know what I mean?

It's really hard not to delete. I know. But sometimes I do delete. I delete now. I didn't used to, I used? It's like. It's really hard not to delete. I know. But sometimes I do delete. I delete now. I didn't used to. I used to be that way. Like it's like about tweets and stuff, but like, like I was just telling somebody here.

I made a joke on Blue Sky about Skechers slip in shoes are like the beginning of our, the first step on our future, our WALL-E future as a human race. And so many people were like, you know, there's a lot of disabled people that need, and I'm like, well then I'm not talking about them. I know.

I'm not talking about them. And they're like, those, and if you watch the ads, they're marketed, it's like, no, they're not. It's always like some able-bodied person. Like I remember there was a radio ad for those fucking things and Howie Long. Yeah. Howie Long, big studly Howie Long is like going,

you know, basically talking about how he doesn't have to succumb to the tyranny of bending down anymore. Like, oh, you're a fool if you bend down to put on your shoes these days. What? Howie Long. Well, I mean, I'm sorry, but a lot of those conservative guys are being like, you can't

drink from a straw, otherwise you're gay. It's just insane. It's like they can't do anything. Yes, yes. They're in such a little box. It's hilarious. You can't. You can't spoon with a dude.

It's like you can't use a suitcase. That's gay. That's gay. You can't use a suitcase. It honestly becomes like, so they can't do anything? Yeah, yeah. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow they're like, Rolly luggage, like,

you can never use a Rolly luggage. Yeah, yeah. Well, do you think that tying your laces is too, it's too fussy? I think so. I think it's too femme. Right. I think you need masculine Velcro.

Cowboy boots and steppings, that's all I wear. Yeah. I know, I had a character, I remember, well, I have a character on Comedy Bang Bang that talks about big trucks, and like, it's a a character on Comedy Bang Bang that talks about big trucks, and it's kind of just a commentary on men with big trucks. And I say they have tiny dicks and all this stuff, but anyway, there's a bit, I've had enough people be like,

sometimes I've posted something about a big truck and everyone's like, hey, that one's actually for tractor stuff. And I'm like, for some, for some. But for a lot of people They're just driving that big fucking stupid. Yeah, yeah with childbearing hips to uh the movie theater Yeah, or to like right a max that that's the not all men It's the same thing as not all men

It's like if you see somebody bitching about how gross men are which yeah, that's really a fucking novel idea I know. If you see something like that and you're not like that, you can just shut up. I know. And know that they're not talking about you. Well, that's the thing, they take it so personally. It's really sad.

It's really devastating. Boy. Well, so, do you think of yourself still as a midwesterner, or do you think of you as a mountain girl? I honestly have always felt like I don't know fully what I am. Yeah. Because it kind of depends on the conversation I've been, to be honest.

Is there a difference accent-wise, like dialect kind of wise? I mean, I think I still have a pretty Midwest accent overall. I would say, yeah. But I... What's Colorado? Colorado's really bland. bland like there's almost like flat nothing? Yeah Yeah, like the there really isn't much to a Colorado accent honestly like trying to even think if there's any words

Yeah, I can't I don't think of it. Yeah, so I probably actually would have a much stronger Midwestern accent had I not moved to Colorado Yeah, but like my husband Tim he he lives lived in Joliet and Juliet I have a much stronger Midwestern accent had I not moved to Colorado. But like my husband, Tim, he lived in Joliet. And then in Chicago until he was like 30, his accent gets so thick. It's like, oh my God. And sometimes if he has a glass of wine, it's thicker.

And I- Oh yeah, drinking always brings it up. I'm always like, well, this is a little too much. It's still a little too strong. Yeah. It's a little too strong. Yeah. This is not hot. This is not hot. We can go ahead and turn the volume down on that.

Oh, yeah. That's that is a common thing. Yeah. I go back home to Chicago and I hear. You have it, especially people. Whenever we say Chicago. Yeah. That's when people hear it the most. Like I hear it when you say Chicago. Yeah, whenever we say Chicago, that's when people hear it the most.

Like I hear it when you say Chicago. Yeah, there's certain words and there's also certain times I hear things like saying, God damn it. Like when I say, God damn it. Yeah, oh that's so mid-wise. Oh yeah, oh that sure is. There's certain things I say that just sound so,

in addition to like when I hear it and it's like, oh my God, that's my mom, you know, that horrible shit. I know. Or seeing video of myself and being like, oh, I look just like dad. Oh, what the fuck? I actually put that as a joke in one of my shows. There was just a, it was like surveillance footage

of me walking across a parking lot. And I was in the edit bay and Jonathan Groff, who ran the show was like, we need a joke here and I was, and I, cause I'm in this, I'm watching the surveillance video of myself. Yeah, that's part of the video. Yeah, he's like, we need you to have something to say.

And I said, how about, ugh, I walk just like my dad. And he's like, it's perfect. I love it. And I was just like, yeah, that's not a joke. That's like, oh, I look just like my dad. I know, that's the reality. I know. It's really strange.

It's really strange. It's really something. It's really strange. I know. I don't know, you know. But it's funny, I have my dad's face and my mom's everything else. Oh really?

Yeah. Wow. I know, isn't that fun? I mean, is that a good thing? I don't know. Yeah. People, well, I have been told- I mean, is there stuff, like behaviorally?

Like are you temperamentally? Oh, that's a good question. Like your mom, or you know? I think, well, my mom is extremely outspoken and very- Yeah. Mouthy, as they say. Yeah, she's a little bitch. No, no, she's very outspoken.

She's very blunt, kinda. And I have a lot of shame around when she's being very blunt. Yes. So I'm always like, I try and make sure everyone feels good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like a people pleaser. And she's not. What birth order are you? I'm like a people pleaser. And she's not. What birth order are you?

I'm the middle of two boys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, I'm, I have a younger brother and sister who are twins and an older brother. Three years older and then nine years younger because they're my half brother and sister from the second marriage. But I think I'm very much, that makes, you know,

it's like the two of them count as one. Yep. Very much the middle, which is like, hey everybody, come on guys, there's no reason to be sad. I know, I'm like, everyone likes us, it's all good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like anytime I'm in a room with like other people in my family, I'm the one like being like, like a host, like I turn on. And it's a burden. It's also like a very like woman thing of me to do.

Yeah. I was conditioned that way. I always felt like morale was kind of my deal. I still do in fact. I still like, no, I mean, I still like really feel when I work on things, especially, cause usually especially like I've an on-camera talent. Yeah.

I have always felt like morale on the set. Yeah. Is. It's huge. It's my responsibility. Not solely my responsibility, but it is a responsibility that I cannot ignore. Yes. Because if I do, A, I can't ignore it.

Because it's just, but it's important. Well, especially if you're in a position of power. Yes. 100%. Yes. You should. And I've been around on sets where people- Don't care. They don't care. I know. And it's like, hey, you know why this show sucks?

Yep. Because nobody wants to be here. I know. You know? Well, I also, I don't know if you do this, but when people are like not like me, where they're like, they don't care about how people's experiences are, I'm like, you don't get to do that.

Yeah. No. Everyone should feel like me putting the burden of this whole situation on them. Yeah, but that's like... I envy them. But you are sort of like, you're speaking for the group. Right.

And you are, and it does again fall under one of the thousand things that's like, life is so fucking short. I know. You're gonna make it shitty for people? I know. It's just, it's crazy. I don't have any respect for that.

Yeah, yeah, I don't either. I don't either. I actually have half siblings too, by the way. Oh, you do? My dad was married three times. Oh, wow. So he has multiple families as well. Kept practicing.

So I have a half brother and half sister who are like much older than me. And then I have a step sister as well. He's younger than me. Oh wow. So, but I'm in the middle. I grew up like with my two brothers. So I'm in the middle of two boys.

Two boys, yeah. Yeah. Did you find, because I also found, and I remember this is like in those Joseph Campbell kind of archetypes. Okay. I can't remember, but I do remember like a facet And I remember this is like in those Joseph Campbell kind of archetypes. Okay. I can't remember, but I do remember like a facet

of like the one that I kind of ended up being was, is usually the first to leave. Did you find that? Like first to leave in any situation? No, just like, like to say like, hey everybody, it's been great entertaining you, but I'm out. Like at a party or something?

Oh no, just like from life, like a family. Like guys, it's been a great 19 years, but goodbye. Oh, like fully just leave the family. I don't really feel that way, but I do feel, no, honestly, I think the opposite. Like I think I put an unfair expectation on myself. Like I have to stay. Oh, really? I'm the one that, like...

Is everybody still in Colorado? No, my... Well, my younger brother's in Colorado. My mom lives in Durango now, and so does he. And then my older brother lives... That sounds so butch. Durango. Durango. Yeah.

Well, that's where, you know, a lot of Texans go to Colorado to live out their Western fantasies. Oh, really? Yeah. As if Texas isn't. I know they need more Western vibes. Wow. They have an endless,

well, I also Midwestern people come there too. Yeah, yeah. They have like this, a lot of men in their 50s and 60s come to wear like cowboy hats. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, Yellowstone vibes. Yellow. It's insane.

I wanna wear a hat. I'm gonna move my family. I It's insane. I wanna wear a hat. I'm gonna move my family. I honestly think. Because I wanna wear a hat. I honestly think it's like part of their fantasy. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, what was I talking about? Oh yeah, and my older brother lives in Portland.

Okay. But I'm kind of, I don't know. And then my dad and my step siblings live in, and half siblings live in Chicago. So I'm kind of, I don't know. And then my dad and my step siblings live in, and half siblings live in Chicago. So I'm kind of all over the place. Did that sort of, how do you think that that kind of like feeling responsible for everybody, responsible for morale, keeping it all lightened,

like how does that translate into being on stage? How does that translate into going, this is what I'm gonna do for a living? Well, I think I mean and maybe talk a little bit about how what that process was like for you What where you're like I'm getting out of Durango Not a lot of improv It was definitely I think they I felt um I mean, I don't know. I've always like I've always liked being on stage because I think they, I felt, I mean, I don't know. I've always liked being on stage because I think it,

I liked having the attention on me, but it was like good attention and there, I wasn't responsible for anybody but myself is sort of how it felt. And I think on top of that, it's, I mean, I don't know. Like I always just knew I wanted to be an actor. It was like, I kind of feel very lucky that I always felt that way.

And my brothers are like the opposite. My older brother does not want anybody, any attention on him. Don't want to be looked at. Don't look at me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I think they, but they've been very like integral in my sense of humor.

Like we all have a really similar sense of humor and get along really well. So we, and we had like, you know, a lot of divorce when my parents gave me divorce when I was young. Kind of trauma stuff. So we all are really bonded by like laughing at how like our life is hard. Yeah.

Yeah, that's, that can certainly have, I mean, my first wife, her family, it was a crazy dysfunctional and the kids kind of raised themselves. Yeah. You know, Catholic family and they really were like young wolf pups that went out and hunted their own, you know, because it's like, it's like, they're not bringing us back anything. And it's just, it's a really, it's a really, in in some ways. It's kind of you know, beautiful Yeah to have that closer relationship to your siblings, but in other ways, it's like no it shouldn't really

Shouldn't be like you know I know I think it was like my mom when we moved to Colorado My mom was like a single mom and we were broke and she was just like struggling to like yeah He her had a flow. I know know, that's when my parents divorced, I have a picture of my mother of, it was like two or three years, I feel like of, cause we moved in with my grandparents.

Oh wow, yeah. Back in the, you know, like my mom's childhood home. And just a picture of my mom on a, lying on the couch in a waitress uniform with her arm over her eyes. So tired. Yeah, just tired and just- Taking a nap.

Go ask grandma. Oh my God. Go ask grandma. And I mean, you know, I mean, she came out of it and everything and then, you know, got another job. Yeah. But it was, yeah, it just,

it's so weird to be, to just be like, you know what, this kid needs to be soaked in sadness. Well, let's see how that works out. You know? I know. And then it's just like, wow, this will take a few fucking decades to rinse off of me. It's insane.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the... Have you had issues with like depression kind of stuff or? More anxiety. Yeah. But yeah, I have been the first time. Lucky. But, no, well actually this is funny.

I recently got a... This is hilarious. Yeah, yeah. I actually recently got a medication for anxiety. The first time in my life I've ever done, and no one in my family's on medication at all. Is that a thing you take regularly or just episodic? No, I take it regularly.

Oh, wow. But it's a very low dosage, but honestly, I was like, you know, my grandmother died, and then I got to this point where anxiety was just ruling my life for a minute there, and then I looked up what it was for recently and it says it's for depression, sorry. Oh really?

So I'm like, am I depressed or am I anxious? Like, am I? They overlap. Yeah, I think they do. I've been on meds for ever. Have you? Yeah. Forever and ever.

In fact, the first one I ever took, the first like anti-depressant that I ever took, or you know, any kind of like psychopharmacological thing was when I was doing improv in Chicago was broke as fuck and like saw an ad a classified ad that was like do you are you depressed the University you know you of i of I Chicago is doing a test of higher dosages of a anti-anxiety medication to see if it works for depression. So I like got in on that. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, and I remember like the, the, the first few days of taking it, I think it was called BuSpar. I think it's still an anxiety medicine.

But the first few days of it was just like, oh my God, the veil has been lifted and I see the sun. I know, I think you remember what you used to feel like and sometimes you just forget that you felt anything else. Yeah, and it tapered off. And I ended up finally going to see a shrink who I said, yeah, I've been on this thing and this shrink was like, they should not have,

they should have just sent you right to a shrink because boy, you got it bad. They really pumped you full. Yeah, yeah, they were like, she just said, you should not have been on a test. You need it. Yeah, test study, you should Yeah, yeah. They were like, she just said, you should not have been on like a test. You need it. Yeah, test study. Like you should have, yeah.

Yeah, you needed like formal help. Yeah, yeah, you needed the real thing, so. ["Can't You Tell My Love's A-Growing"] Can't you tell my love's a-growing. Back, people, they don't do it anymore. I think people are just more used to it now. But I know my friends when I started taking antidepressants were like,

what are you doing? What are you doing? Well yeah, there's this idea that like you've failed or something, that you haven't tried hard enough. It's like, no, I did all the stuff. I did the like little meditations in the morning, and I did the like exercising, and I did the eating right, and nothing was fucking helping me.

I didn't do that shit. I mean, I thought about it. Well, also too, the other point is like, what the fuck is it to you? I know. Jesus Christ. It's surprising. I've been very open about it since I got on it,

because I don't feel any shame about it. And it works. It works. But I do think an earlier version of myself would have been like, what? since I got on it, because I don't feel any shame about it. And it works. It works. Yeah, yeah. But I do think like an earlier version of myself would have been like, what? I think I would have judged it a little bit more. So it's interesting to me when I say to certain people

and I can tell they're sort of judging or they're sort of overwhelmed by me telling them that. And I'm like, get over it. It's so dumb, Jesus Christ. Fucking chill. It's called medication. But also something really insane happened when I met with a psychiatrist for like three times

and then she killed herself. Oh, wow. And my dad also was like, he met with a psychiatrist, he told me, and that person also killed himself. And I'm like, I don't know what that means for me. You guys are shrink killers. You should start, you should get like a gang together. I know. That's really sad.

That's the patch on the back that says, Shrub. Wow. I know. So my therapist was like, how are you doing? Like you're on your mental health journey and this happened. And I was like, I mean, I honestly was like,

I didn't know her very well, but it's kind of- Oh, this was just your dispensing physician, not your therapist therapist? No, not my therapist. If it had happened to my therapist, I think, I don't know. I think I would have moved home. I don't think we would be talking right now. They have a full roster.

You can't, you know, you can't, maybe you were partially responsible, but she's got other clients. I know, she's got other clients, though. It's not all on my shoulders, I know. How did your therapist say, like, did you tell your therapist, oh, by the way. My therapist knew, because she had referred me,

and so then she was like, I think she waited for me to bring it up, but I actually felt more for her, because I was like, you probably worked with her more than me. Yeah. So, I don't know. It was very overwhelming, though, for sure. And it made, it's heavy stuff. Yeah, so I don't know it was very overwhelming though for sure and it made

That's heavy stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I can't even that would be Yeah No, no, it is but it is like when you you know to hear it it's like it's a 30 rock Yeah, exactly. It's a 30 rock joke. She says literally my psychiatrist Oh really and then she also says her gynecologist killed themselves That's even better She says, literally, my psychiatrist killed themselves. Oh, really? And then she also says her gynecologist killed themselves. That's even better. Hey, I do want to ask, because it's interesting to me,

because Tim Ball's your husband, is an actor and a very funny comedian and improviser. Does he ever do stand-up? No, he doesn't do stand up. Yeah, he shouldn't. Um. I'll tell him, I'll tell him. It's a dirty business.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But is it, because it, you know, people being in the same business, especially this business, which is like, you know, like it runs on envy, basically. Yeah, it does. I mean, talk about living with another performer and how the good part of that and the downside of that. Ugh, I mean, well, the immediate downside is,

like, filming self-tapes is, like, literally, like, the lowest point, where you film your auditions in your home. Yes, yes, that's all they your home. That's all they do now. That's all they do. And we have gotten into some of the biggest fights you possibly could get in over these fucking tapes because it's just like, you know, I trust him so much,

but anybody giving me notes that's not like a director or like someone who has hired me, it's really tough. He should not give me notes. No, no, he doesn't really give me notes, but it would be like, I would be like, was that good? And if he's not immediately like, that was the best thing I've ever seen. I'm like, it was terrible. Okay, that's on you. That's on you. We've gotten so much better. But when we first started, it was so hard. The pandemic, it was really a rough time.

But now we're good. But I found that like, I think one of the things that actually drew me to him was he's so, like one of the first times he booked, he booked like an Amy Poehler pilot. This was like probably six or seven years ago at this point. And I was feeling really depressed about my career and where I was at. And I was like trying to get my career and where I was at, and I was, like, trying to get my footing in LA,

and I just felt like, so, like, how is this even gonna work? Like, it's such a huge town. No one knows who I am. And he, um, he, like, had just gotten the news, and I was very happy for him, but I also was reflecting on my own, like... Of course. And he spent the entire dinner telling me how it was gonna happen for me.

And like all, basically walking me through like, why it's like inevitable that I'll be successful. Was this early in your relationship? Yeah, it was very early. Were you living together or? No, we weren't living together at that point. Yeah, yeah. And I just felt like, I was like, he's so,

he's my biggest fan and I'm his biggest fan. And so there, yes, there's like, we both go through similar cycles a lot where we'll feel like we're not doing enough or we think something's going to help us get on the map more and it doesn't or like you watch someone else have success that you wanted to have and you can't help but reflect on yourself a little bit. And we both know how to talk each other down. But I think the biggest thing is being able to be like, I hear you in the midst of this,

even though I hear, we both basically make the same arguments about why we won't make it a lot. And so you just, you get used to being like, hey, it's gonna be okay. Go take a walk right go take a bath Go like call a friend like do something that like calms your nervous system down Do you feel like you have to be guarded with your insecurity dumps like you can't just Cuz I yeah, I feel that way nobody wants to hear me say how much I hate myself.

I know. And they never have. You know what I mean? Well, I also started this thing where, first of all, I'm trying not to talk negatively about myself. That's an excellent plan. It's so hard. Yep. But I've learned that you can literally rewire your brain.

Yep. And so now when I look in the mirror, for example, I go, look how cute you are. Oh. Hahaha. It doesn't work yet. Not yet. But I'm gonna come back and I'll tell you when it works. Okay, okay.

And then I started this thing too with him where I was like, we should do a spreadsheet for how many nos we get. Like, because you know how you get rejected constantly. Sure. At least I do. Yeah. I don't know about you, Indy, but I get rejected all the time. No, I mean, and these days I feel like I don't even get the chance to be rejected that much.

Just there's so few things happening that it's like, and even then, and it's, you know, like I'm not, you know, because I've been doing this for a long time and I'm a known quantity, there's a lot of stuff that they don't bother sending me because they're like, oh, it's too small for me, or whatever. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

They reject them on your behalf. Yeah, like that, it would only be a couple of hundred bucks or whatever. And I mean, okay. But there also is like, there has been things where I'm like, hey, by the way, I'll do that. I know. I'm fine with that, you know.

I know, finding out sometimes they said no for something, I'm like, oh, should I tell them? Yeah hey, by the way, I'll do that. I know. I'm fine with that, you know. I know, finding out sometimes they said no for something, I'm like, I'm gonna tell them. Yeah, yeah, fuck yeah, I'll do that. I'll do like, I'll be in the dumpster, like whatever you want me to do. It's crazy. But yeah, I, well, go back to, why would you catalog your nos?

Oh yeah, okay, so this is the idea is, basically the more nos you get, the closer you are to a yes. So what I've been doing is- Like a slot machine. It's gotta pay off eventually. It's gotta pay off someday. But also rewarding yourself for putting yourself out there. I see.

So like when you get a no, when you like, let's say I audition for something and I don't get it, happens all the time. Then I get to, I basically get to choose if I, what we have for dinner that night, or I can send Tim out to get me a little treat. That's, that's. Then when I get five nos.

Good deal for you. I know. When I get five nos, then we get to go out to dinner, my choosing. Then, when I get 10 nos, I get a mani-pedi. When I get- 20, a new car. It works all the way up to 30.

Wow, okay, I'm sorry. You want me to keep going? Sure. Well, let's see if I can remember them all. Are they written down somewhere? Yeah, I have a whole spreadsheet. I'm telling you, I just started this, I love it. I want everyone to use it.

Then when I get to 15, it's massage. Nice. You have to obviously, you have to save up your nose. A professional massager, he massages it. No, professional, are you kidding me? Yeah, no, I was gonna say. He would do it for like five minutes and be like, I'm tired.

Yeah, right, exactly. Like, get over yourself. My hands hurt, yeah. Now my turn, no, no. Just the front. Just, just the stomach. Yeah. No, and then it works all the way up to 30.

And at 30, you get weekend away. And he was like, okay, yeah, sure. Sounds good. Yeah, he loves it. Does he get the same? Yeah, he gets a little different. Like instead of mani-pedi, he gets to buy basketball cards. Huh?

Basketball cards? Oh my God. Kim, come on. Hey, okay, one Christmas, I was like, cause he got into basketball cards during the pandemic, and I was like, I'm gonna support this habit, even though I don't like really love it. Cause it takes up so much storage

once you start like collecting it, and we have a little apartment. I'm like, no. So anyway, I was like, I'm going to support him. I bought him some cards. He opens it up on Christmas. He doesn't really have that big of a reaction. I'm like, what the fuck? Like, I spent all this time getting him all the stupid cards.

This is all I get? Yeah. And like four months go by and then I come out of a coma. I'm like, I got him baseball cards he's a basketball and he never said anything that's that's marriage for you Wow you have got him trained what are you talking about just you sounds like a hostage what are you like you can't even speak up and say no Andy. No, I'm a so basketball cards I'm so chill

He did say recently so he's in did you did you go to him and say like oh my god Yeah, I was like, why didn't you tell me he's like, I thought it was sweet And I was like I like I have, I got you literally the wrong thing, the wrong sport. And he was like, it was nice, I don't mind. He's too nice. But honestly, there's a, so he's in Deli Boys, that new show on Hulu.

I do a little part on it too, but it's pretty small. But he, at one point he improvises this line that's like, he's like, I'm not attracted to you. I like short bossy brunettes. And then he's like, you know, like my, he's like, you know, like someone who's gonna be like, we need to be here at this time. You need to get over here right now.

You need to change your shirt. And I was like, that's better not be what you think of me. I'm not like that, I promise. I'm chill, Andy. Right, I know, I know. I mean, he doesn't, but I believe you. No, I'm chill. I promise.

Well, I mean, it is good that you gotta work it out because it is a natural thing to feel envy when somebody close to you, I mean, I remember like being in Chicago and like the first people I knew that got on SNL and feeling like fuck! I know. And then being like, oh good for them.

But the first thing I felt was fuck! I know. Why not me? And you just gotta, you know, feel it and move past it. I mean, did I tell you I got bed bugs from SNL? No. How does that happen? I got it at the hotel that they put me up at when I tested.

And so I was like, I mean, Tim had just gotten cast. And then they don't cast you. They didn't cast me. And I didn't get cast and then I came home with bed bugs. Oh my God. I had over a hundred bites from like my chest up. Wow. Covering my face. Wow. Because they don't come in for a few days. Yeah, yeah.

The bites. So I didn't know if I brought them back and infected. And Tim and I weren't living together at the time. So I was like, did I infect both of our apartments? And he had just gotten a job in New York on the opposition with Jordan Klepper. And I was like, I had been like, oh, like, this is it. Like, I'll get SNL and Tim in New York on the opposition with Jordan Klepper and I was like, I had been like, oh, this is it. I'll get SNL and Tim's gonna be on the opposition

and we're gonna live in New York, we're gonna make it. With our bugs family. And then instead I came home and I was like, he lives in New York now, I live here, I infected two apartments with bed bugs. And I'm covered in boils. I'm covered in bites, my dream is dead. It was so depressing.

Now, do you bring home bed bugs? You do. And do you have to then fumigate your own house? You do. Thank God I actually, I didn't end up bringing them back, but you can't tell is the other thing. Cause if you only bring back a few, let's say to start, this is so disgusting.

You are like, if you're sleeping in bed, they say to like use, basically use yourself as bait to find out if you have brought them home. So all these exterminators kept coming over and I was like, do I have them? And they were like, we don't know yet. You have to wait until they like bite you or not.

Wow. It's nasty. Because they're like, were they like laying, I don't know, do they lay eggs? I think they do. I mean, they reproduce. And then we also stayed in a house that got infested with bats, but that's another story.

Well, that's fun. Bats are fun, I like bats. Let's see, you're in an episode of the Deli Boys. I am, yeah. Frequent guest on Comedy Bang Bang. Yep. What else you got going for it? You know, you had your own show.

Yes. Quit While I'm Behind that you were doing live around town. Yeah. And are you still doing anything with that or? I kind of put that on pause for now. I thought I really learned, I feel like I got almost everything I wanted to get out of that experience.

Like I learned so much doing that show. It's like the first time I've ever done an hour. And it's just like the first time I did it, I came off stage, I started crying. Why? But I was, cause it was so overwhelming. It was like, I had been putting all this energy into doing it for so long.

And then it was the first time I ever showed it to people. The release, yeah. And then I came backstage with the allegiance, literally there was like a clown in there peeling like 900 bananas. And I was like, welled up with tears. What was that? Was that just the after party? peeling like 900 bananas, and like, you know, you just, you have to come up with a new character

every night, basically. And even if you do repeat a character, you have to think of a new bit to go with it. So I just started to like generate so much material, and I was like, I should really just like put up my own show. And I talk a lot about the bats in the show. and I talk a lot about the bats in the show. Yeah. I mean, is that something that you think you do more of?

Yeah. Like what do you want to, you know, what's in the future for you? I mean, I really, I would love to have my own TV show with my friends, of course, like everyone does. Like, you know, like a Penn 15 kind of situation would be, that's ideal heaven to me. Yeah, it's crazy.

So I think I would consider doing another solo show that could be easily developed into a show show. Yeah, yeah. Because my first show, Quit While I'm Behind, was really like, it was about me quitting acting because there's another Lily Sullivan and she's more successful and she's hotter and she's younger and she's everything. And Australian.

And Australian. Yeah, yeah. So it was kind of like, that was the basic premise. So it was just like, I'm quitting. This is a celebration of my work before I quit. So it wasn't- The other Lily Sullivan has won. Yeah, she's gonna take over from here.

And I, and so it wasn't like easily adaptable into like something that like we could, you know. Yeah, sure. It'd been made into a show. So I didn't take it to Edinburgh and I didn't really like, I was just sort of like, it's my first time I'm learning it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, like I really used to take like what people said about me really to heart. And then also just like with this industry, like every time I got rejected, I really was like, it's me, it's my fault. Yeah. And now just being, you know, having done this for as long as I have kind of now, I'm like, it's me, it's my fault. And now just being, having done this for as long as I have kind of now, I'm like, it's not personal at all.

It is the opposite of that. It's like, yeah, they're gonna cast this person because they have red hair and they want someone with red hair or like they're gonna cast them because it's this person's daughter. Well, and also eyeballs also come because yeah yeah, it's a, and I've had conversations with people about this over the years, is the way that you have to bulletproof yourself

against just the endless fucking rejection. Yeah. And I remember having a conversation with somebody who was like, well, yeah, but aren't you, isn't that just kind of like a brainwashing trick that you do on yourself? I'm like, absolutely.

Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Fuck yeah, that's what it is. Why that yeah, I'm making this stupid little spreadsheet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to like retrain my brain to be like It's okay to be rejected. It's okay to like fail. Yeah, and it's okay to Keep going. Yeah, you do kind of have to have a level of delusion to keep going Don't get me wrong, of course, but I have to have a level of delusion to begin doing this. That's the thing is it's always, you're going to get in front of people and say, everybody shut up, turn all the lights on me and listen to this.

Exactly. That's madness. And you know, you really just, you start to realize the amount of yeses though that you do get in the process of all of it. Where it's like, there are really big things that have been so affirming for me, are like I can always look back and go well I did that and so I'm not crazy.

Yeah. And like I've just I feel more and more like weirdly at home in LA and in this industry now and that's kind of actually the most bizarre thing because the whole time I felt like I was like well I'm an outsider here, and this place is fucking crazy. And now I start to be like, but I'm one of them. I've lived here long enough

and I have a lot of friends in this industry. And it's just like, it kind of crept up on me, I think. Yeah. No, it's, I mean, to me, having done this as long as I have, and by that, I mean show business and being alive. And I really do mean both of those things. You know, the real successes are the people

that like are happy. And however the fuck you get there, you know, minus being a serial killer, I would stop short of that. But it's like, that's the people because you come across people. Yeah. Because if you want to like quantify and I certainly could quantify like what I've done or how much I've achieved or, you know, how far I got.

Yeah. You can quantify that and you can either be and I mean, and I have done it and I still catch myself doing it. I can either be, wow, get a load of me. Good job. Or I can be like, I I have done it and I still catch myself doing it. I can either be, wow, get a load of me, good job. Or I can be like, I haven't done it. What the fuck have I not done enough? What's wrong? You lazy piece of shit.

And it's like, so neither one is, you know, like you might as well pick one to feel. And also, cause there's people who have done like, if you want to quantify what you do, who've done twice as much as you, who are fucking miserable. Exactly. And they feel like they haven't done enough.

So it's like, you might as well just be happy. I mean, yeah, you got to look in the mirror and you go, say, what a cutie pie. Yeah, yeah. Hey cutie pie, democracy's dead, but you're not. The world's ending. You look good today. You look good.

Why don't you go out and just catch that nuclear wave looking good. No, yeah, that's a whole other really depressing element of... Just shove that shit right in the box You want to get a lot you want to get through the day? Yeah, you got it You really have to compartmentalize that otherwise you're not getting out of bed. I'm not saying I'm not saying capitulate, but yeah, you cannot no you can't you guys just put that into like a little purse and occasionally peek in there You're so yeah keeping yourself aware of, oh, it's bad out there. I know.

But damn, you gotta put that shit away because it is bad. It is really rough. Yeah, yeah. And I kind of feel like more, like I don't want to turn my brain off to it fully. Yeah. Because then that's how it all succeeds.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then simultaneously I'm like, but I really gotta protect myself in terms of how I go about this. Absolutely. And there's a hard thing too, is that you feel like, yeah, me going, okay, I can't handle it, is part of what,

like, yeah, that's part of the function of what one of the things they're doing is the carpet bombing of horrors. Overwhelming you. Yeah, and it's like, okay, yeah, but still, even though I'm, I am falling into their trap, I still, I can't. I know. I just can't. It's too fucking hard.

So, well, that's a fun way to end this show. Anyway, have a good rest of your day. I hope we're back next week. I hope that there's still a city of Los Angeles. We're probably going to be arrested for this podcast. Right, right. I'll just, you know, if the city is smoldering ruins, I'll just scream this podcast next week.

Wait, have you heard about that documentary about the aliens, by the way, that's coming out? No, no, no. There's some really incredible documentary coming about about aliens being real and aliens being here, and apparently aliens being like, possibly future versions of us. My friend saw it at South by Southwest,

I heard all about it, I looked it up online, so. But what do you mean future versions of us? Like they're us from the future. Isn't that just like Prometheus, you know, those big sort of like, those big creature, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I guess. Yeah.

I have no idea. This is all, this all hearsay. Yeah. I'm not like a big aliens person, by the way. I know everyone's going to think I am because I'm bringing it up. But I just heard about this and I was like, I'm hooked. Yeah, I know.

I would definitely, you know. If the aliens are here and if they're listening right now, please save us. You know, every president, every secretary of state, every vice president, like on day two, maybe probably day one, day one's busy. They're like, hey, tell me about the Roswell. You know, what do we got over there?

Right. No, they do. What about all the JFK stuff that came out? Literally nothing. So stupid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Apparently he got shot. Yeah. I don't know if you know, but he got shot actually. That's what the files say. All right, Lily Sullivan. Thank you for listening, everybody. Thank you, Lily, for coming. Thank you for having me.

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