The Tim Ferriss Show - #146: The Random Show, Ice Cold Edition

Episode Date: March 16, 2016

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special edition random show where I am joined by Kevin Rose, at Kevin Rose on Twitter, serial entrepreneur and all-around wild and crazy guy. And we're going to get started right meow. Ladies and gents, welcome to another episode of The Random Show, aka also variant The Tim Ferris Show. I am Tim Ferris. And I'm Kevin Rose. And welcome to Internet Audio. It is good to be here. Dude, we were doing another random show. It's been a long time. It's been a long time. We got to do a bit of Banya, Russian bath, before venturing back to Casa Rose. Yes.

The Russian bath was awesome. We did a little bit of just relaxation. Spent, what, probably an hour and a half in there? Hour and a half going back and forth between hot and cold. That's right. Cheers, by the way. Cheers. Got a little wine here.

It's so weird not having a camera on us. It is. But now we can unabashedly gaze into each other's eyes with uncomfortable eye contact. We could both sit here naked if we wanted to. It doesn't really matter. Maybe we are. So it's been a little while. Yes.

I haven't seen you guys in ages. I haven't had a chance to fondle and you'll see where this is going. Say hello to Toast. Yes. In a while. That's the dog, for those people wondering. Yeah, I have a little mini Labradoodle. He's five years old, 23 pounds.

He's an awesome little dude. And every time Tim comes over, Toaster gets really excited, but he also gets manhandled a little bit, because that's how you treat dogs. Which is fine. 50 shades of Labradoodle. That's right. He's into it. That's right. Toaster into it. That's right. Toaster.

What a cutie. So we haven't really caught up in a while. I mean, obviously we're hanging at the banya and bullshitting and catching up on certain facets, but I don't know what types of things you're really into these days. Yeah. Well, I mean, let's start with the sauna use because you were really the one that kind of got me into this in that we started talking about using the sauna. You've mentioned in a

handful of your podcasts and whatnot, you had Dr. Rhonda Patrick on your show talking about cold therapy and then Wim Hof you had on your show. After that, I was like, you know what? I'm going to get into this Wim Hof method. I signed up for the 10-week course. And I just now, as of last week, completed all 10 weeks. My final week number 10 exercise was to go as long as you possibly can in the cold. For me, it was an ice bath. So I went out and bought 10 bags of ice at the corner store, hauled them up my stairs, dumped them into already cold water coming in out of the tap into my bathtub. And this is in the middle of winter in New York. And climbed into the tub and did 15 minutes in the ice bath, submerged up to my neck, which was awesome.

I've come a long way since week one. So for people that don't know, I'm sure a lot of people have listened to the Wim Hof episode, but it's great. Wim holds several world records as far as... 20 plus world records. Yeah, something like that. As far as exposure to the cold, time swimming under ice.

I mean, ran a full marathon in the Namib Desert without any water at like 100 and whatever, ungodly 130 degrees or whatever it was. Now, I should say, I feel obligated here just to mention, this is not the type of thing you want to DIY in terms of instruction. The exposure to cold, certainly when immersed in water, these various breathing exercises can be very dangerous, if not fatal. And one of my friends recently had a shallow water blackout because he was practicing in water and remained submerged unconscious for three minutes. That's really scary. And that is how you die or end up with permanent brain damage. So never practice this type of breath hold work in water or near water and get qualified supervision. Do not do this solo ever. Yeah. So the method, the 10 week course is a combination, as you said, of breath work and also cold exposure, I always kept the two extremely separate. So I didn't even do them near each other because just with that, I'd heard some stories and

rumors and he mentions it, Wim mentions it as well to keep those more or less separate. So you start off with a really simple week one of just like taking a standard hot shower and then ending with 30 seconds of cold cold finish cold finish uh if you will so i don't know what you're thinking about never did that laugh just never that friendly it's it's never gonna be fun but um you know it was hard that it was it was a challenge the first week because your body's just not used to it at all but i will say the weirdest though, forget just like the whole 10 weeks at about week three. And I've always considered myself a pretty positive person, but I noticed this, I would say about a 20 to 30%

increase in mood, just feeling happier about just random stuff like, um, just work and my interactions with other humans and my relationship with my wife and just little tasks that I would just get under my skin in the past just became softened. How often were you doing the... So I was practicing at this point five times a week. Five times a week. Yeah. So five times...

But it wasn't extra time. In other words, you were doing it when you were taking showers anyway. That's right. So first thing in the morning for me. And Daria, my wife was just like, who are you? Because I would jump out of the shower and I'd come, she'd be laying in bed still asleep and I'd be like fists in the air, like a wild man, just like all pumped up and jazzed. And you know some of the science behind this. You should probably mention what happens when you get hit with the cold. Well, there are, as best I can tell, and I remember I looked at this one writing the 4-Hour Body way back in the day.

There's a chapter called Ice Age and with Ray Cronise, really fascinating guy. Everybody should look up, K-R-O-N-I-S-E, looked at fat loss and how to use ice or cold exposure to accelerate that. And there are a number of physiological responses, only some of which we understand, but noradrenaline or epinephrine release is one. And the immunological sort of enhancements that people have observed in, say, Wim Hof and his students, where he's able to be injected with various bacteriot bacterial toxins that he can mitigate a sort of fever response to through

breath work seems to be correlated with that, that type of sort of adrenal system response. You also have different hormones like adiponectin, which is associated with greater fat loss. But the fact of the matter is I do believe even at that point in 2009 or so when I was finishing The 4-Hour Body, that there was at least preliminary data from studies to suggest that cold exposure could produce effects comparable to some antidepressants. And it is real. It is 100% really real. And you know what's, um, I don't know if you, you know this, but, um,

back in the day, uh, when Van Gogh cut his ear off, they put him in an insane asylum and understandable. And you know what the treatment was, was ice baths twice a day. Really? Yep. So that was like the treatment for insanity. And apparently it worked on a lot of people, just brought them down to a more real level. Um, so, you know, I was insane prior to doing this.

But it's been amazing. So I completed the 10 weeks. I'm sold. I'm hooked on ice. And I'm actually looking. I'm a technology investor. And I'm looking to actually fund some additional research in this area so that we can just get more data on kind of your point of the kind of minimal effective dose that you write about so often. Like what is that for humans to

get a positive response? What temperature, what duration? Exactly. What type of suppression? And I just kind of, that's something I've seen this and I a hundred percent know that it's real. There's nothing else. I'm not meditating additionally. I haven't changed my diet. Nothing else has changed. So take it with a grain of salt because obviously it's one person, but I've heard this with many people. There's really positive effects to be had here. So I actually am glad you sort of made the ask of the audience. And I suppose people can ping us on Twitter. So we'll give the handles out in a minute. But I also have a request for the audience related to cold, and that is if anyone can suggest or build

or even spec out theoretically what a device would look like that is an immersion circulator like you would use for sous vide that cools water quickly so that i wouldn't have to buy the ice because i don't have an ice machine at home at one point i was thinking of getting a massive mosquito coast type ice machine uh made from hoshizaki which is what laird hamilton has the you know the the greatest big wave surfer of all time he has a gigantic hoshizaki machine because he uses so much ice for ice. So I'm actually buying,

in the process of buying one of those machines right now. Okay, so what my question is, though, for people out there, and the physics here might be impossible, we'll see, but if there's a device that I could drape into the water to cool it. You want a cold sous vide for yourself. I want a cold sous vide for myself, effectively.

And the reason being, if I buy ice, and maybe this has happened to you, it's certainly happened to me. I mean, I've done hundreds and hundreds of ice baths, is I'll either get the ice and either sit around a little long and it'll melt, or I will put it into the bath, get distracted, and be like, all right, I'm going to do the ice bath in 20 minutes. And then 40 minutes pass, and I'm like, oh, no, it's already 10 degrees warmer. Or you get into the bathtub, and it melts because your body temperature melts it, and then it's not as cold. There are a lot of issues with it. So if I could use a device to maintain a cold temperature precisely,

that would be really appealing. Or maybe there's some type of lining with coils. Sounds really dangerous as I say it. That you could put into a tub. Maybe even like sort of an electric blanket. Obviously not to electrocute yourself. But like a blanket of shorties. That you could sit or lay on that would cool the temperature.

So professional athletes take ice baths all the time, right? So there has to be equipment for this already. Well'm guessing in that particular case that it's you're basically sitting inside an ice box right in the sense that there are they're using freon gas or something like that a la refrigerator style to uh to cool the the casing of the of. But if anybody out there has any ideas for technology that would allow you to have ice baths without ice, I would be very, very interested. So you can let me know or Kevin if you're interested in conducting cold-related research

and have some qualifications. Yes, please. At Tferriss, T-F-E-R-R-I-S-S. Yeah, and at Kevin Rose on Twitter twitter uh sweet that's cold yeah it was fun it was a great little fun experiment i'm glad i did it i'm sticking with it you know like tonight what did we do probably a total of five minutes probably five minutes and that was a really cold cold plunge it was pretty close to particular. Yeah, I would say it was high 30s. Very, very, very cold. But therefore, my favorite, since it's the contrast that I find so appealing. And you can look up,

if you're interested in athletic applications of this type of thing, you can look up contrast therapy. I believe the East Germans were very well known for using it, among other things that they used, of course. Their female swim team sounded like dudes in the locker room so it wasn't just ice but i digress so let me throw out uh two things that we don't necessarily have to spend a ton of time on that i've discovered in the last week that i've really been enjoying the first is something called the yak tracks y-a-k-t-r-a-x and i was looking for this much like i was looking for this ice device. And I eventually found it. And this was in Montana.

I had accidentally brought boots where the exterior was perfect for the environment, but the sole was slick. And it was horrible for walking on snow or ice. And these Yak Trax, which you can fit in a jacket pocket, have coils and uh they're they're otherwise made of rubber and you basically hook it onto your heel and then drag it up and hook it onto your toe and you can just walk flawlessly across snow or ice it's fantastic

so even for use in say a city they're very easy to walk with if i were in new york city and i didn't want to have to wear like huge sorrel, which I also wore for snowmobiling, which were amazing, I would just use the Yak Trax. Yeah. I mean, I need these. So I didn't tell you this, but gosh, about three weeks ago in New York, everything was frozen. Got out of an Uber. May or may not have had two to three glasses of wine. And I hit a patch of ice.

I just stood on a patch of ice and I went straight down and hit my chin on the ground. Oh my God. And Daria freaked out. She was just like, oh my God, are you okay? So wait, you did like a Superman banana peel, like feet behind you went face first? Face first. And it's like a chin just right on the concrete. I'm lucky I didn't break something.

And it was just like, I mean, this is awesome. Yak tracks. I will definitely buy a pair of these. So yak tracks have been... on the concrete i'm lucky i didn't break something and it was just like i mean i this is awesome yak tracks i will definitely buy a pair of these yak tracks have uh have been there's it's just such an elegant solution the way they're designed is really smart and it's just it's just a clean simple design which one did you get the xtr the run pro do you know uh i ended up getting the walk walk and not because the walk is necessarily the only model i would choose it was the only one available in my size gotcha so i am sure that you're like a you're a shoe like pioneer you were the first one to ever tell me about vibrams like

vibram 10 years ago yeah do you still wear those or no innovate i don't and it's not because of the health claims that they made too strongly which some of which were debunked it's because of two factors i do wear zero drop shoes though what are those zero drop meaning the toes and heel are at the same elevation okay so like these uh gum sole vans that i'm wearing right now are zero drop uh converse would be the same uh vivo barefoot i think it's something terra is the name of the company also zero drop i do wear those but number one the vibrams are uh can really cause achilles tendonitis if you're not accustomed to zero drop shoes. And number two, I just really found them hazardous to my heels and plantar fasciitis walking on concrete and asphalt.

I mean, walking barefoot on soil is one thing. Walking barefoot on concrete is quite another yeah i mean i found the day after my feet were just sore i kind of thought that was a good thing though i was like oh i'm working muscles i didn't work before but walking i think is fine uh the biggest issue for me was they end up smelling terrible even if i just even if i use the injinji uh kind of japanese style socks there raised and stuff for that though right these were horrendous but um speaking of not horrendous the next little one that i'll throw out is an app that i downloaded literally yesterday and it has blown my mind called bumble and if you've ever tried

tinder and you are a male this is a better version and probably a better version for for women as well and the the big difference is the following if you match and everything else is fairly standard you set the geographical range uh age range whatever you're still swiping left and right kind of thing still swiping left and right there are a few ui differences but here's the biggest difference if you have a match the woman has to text first and you disappear in 24 hours if she doesn't text you so there's a time constraint on matches and the ball is immediately in the court of the woman but wouldn't now why is this good yeah this is good because on tinder or match or anyCupid, it doesn't matter, what happens? Any semi-attractive or attractive woman gets hit with thousands of yahoos sending stupid messages.

And as a guy, you also have, therefore, less than a snowball's chance in hell unless you find somebody who's only been on the service for like four days because the recipients just deluged with idiocy. And so you spend a lot of time sending messages that never get read, never get responded to. So this flips that dynamic entirely on its head. So have you gotten a lot of responses? I mean, granted, we're in New York City where the density is insane, but I've never seen anything like this. Wow. It is absolutely insane.

Can I use your profile real quick? Can I try it? You wouldn't hand me the phone earlier, by the way, before we started this. I wouldn't hand it. For those of you who've listened to this show, you will agree that Kevin has given me no reason to trust him using my phone. First of all, I will find your future wife right now, live on this show. Live on this show. All right.

Well, I'll tell you what. Here. I'll give you a chance here all right there you go i'm letting kevin take a hold of my fears to be in her late 20s early 30s uh blonde dress uh dresses like medium length i'm gonna say no to that one you agree uh you're swiping right while you say no okay that's But that's okay. So right means yes. I've never done this before. I've been married for a while.

First of all, you've got to swipe right on that one. Yeah. Okay. So now explain for those people why should I swipe right on this? I will. She's got nerdy glasses on. She's got a nose ring and she's got really pouty lips and just like a nice little soft jacket.

All right. Next. She's cute too. Can you see other photos? How do you do that? Yeah. This I actually like. You don't have to tap and then swipe left or right.

You swipe vertically to see. See, this is... She's a little older though. Is that too old for you? No, she looks cute. Swipe right. I'm not judgmental. Swipe right. Also, big brown eyes, little brown ankles, which I'm fond of. She's throwing up a peace sign.

It looks a little hammered. She's cute. should swipe right on her for sure all right there we go oh boom you got a connection and we matched whoa just like that and literally i i installed this app last so the second we he matched two bouncy balls come up and it shows like a b yeah more bumble or start a chat now i don't know i've never started a chat before so let's try it start a chat no you're not allowed to i'm not allowed to so she has to do right okay right there we go and so i exit out and this is so low labor as as a male every male listening to this who is like over the age of 20 has spent thousands of hours vainly attempting to get female attention i mean just and wasted a disgustingly high percentage of their liquid...

You just like it because you don't have to do anything. No, I like it because it forces the woman to express interest and pre-qualify in that sense so that the conversation isn't a total waste of time. So what do they say? Do they say like... I mean, it's lightweight. They're like, hey. You know? Yeah. They don't have... They're not using like... I mean, it's lightweight. They're like, hey. You know?

They don't have... They're not using pickup lines on you or anything. Women don't have to do that. Right. So no, they're not doing that. But I just really like that it's flipping the normal approach entirely on its head. Do you drop like,

hey, I have some books out and stuff? I don't. I do not. You have to at some point. hey, I have some books out and stuff? I don't. I do not. You have to at some point. Well, I'll say I'm... I feel conflicted about this because it's weird to be a public-facing person

in any capacity and try to date. Right. It's just a weird situation that creates all sorts of... But it's also awesome. Well, it's awesome until it

gets really weird and funky and crazy if it does like today at the uh sauna what we were in the locker room oh i get naked yeah that was weird it was a little uncomfortable you guys are like damn love your book and like we're all naked yeah i'm just like in my underwear and i'm like do i take my underwear off now in front of these guys? They were perfectly polite, but I'm like, I'm not sure what to do in this. What's the protocol? Like, do I just let the Johnson flop out and go for it? I think you just have to show them the goods. They bought your book, man.

I'll be like, you bought the book, now experience the fool. You get the extended chapter. Oh, God. So, yep, the net-net, very positive thing. But Bumble, for people who've been frustrated, male or female, I think it's worth checking out. That's awesome. What about you? Cool.

So, next on my list, a little self-promotion. I launched a newsletter. I wanted to plug that for a second. And it's a really well-done newsletter. Thank you. I got to be honest. I was expecting more spelling errors. I spend a lot of time.

And I was really more spelling errors. I've spent a lot of time. I was really impressed with the newsletter. I think that... Because usually when I get text messages from you, it's like you're typing with your knuckles. Well, typically I've had a couple glasses of wine and it gets a little sloppy. But in all seriousness, one of the things that I wanted to do is I love newsletters. I get yours and probably 10 others. And something that I find a little bit frustrating, I don't know if you've run into this, but especially on ones that come out every single day, is people don't take the time to properly

vet what they're talking about. So you'll get a lot of product recommendations and just like, check out this app or check out this website or whatever it may be. And the stuff is just like they've, they, they're recycling press releases versus actually having spent time with something. Yeah. So for me, I created a new newsletter called the journal. Um, and you can check it out at the journal.email. That's actually a domain name. Email is like a thing now, uh, to sign up. But, um, basically what I do is I spend one month. So I only send one a month. There's not like, it's not going to overflow your inbox. Um, and I fully vet every single thing I talk about. So if I talk about, you know, a cool piece of electronics or a gadget or

a knife or just something like I find really interesting, I've spent at least a month or more playing with it, using it, fully vetting it, making sure that it's worth your time. Because all of our time is valuable. And the last thing I would want is you to click on something that's just trash or garbage. So only once a month. So you only get 12 a year, obviously completely free. But I basically put in really cool videos. I spend... Every single day, I watch a TED Talk.

And I pick one out of the entire month that I really enjoyed. And I put it in there. What was the last one that you put in? The last one I did was actually a talk um by i remember because i actually reached out to him afterwards oh really this was help me out this was the guy that runs the zen hospice center in san francisco yes amazing guy and i'm embarrassed to be blanking on his name and did you watch the talk i did watch it and the reason that it struck such a chord is that i actually he is friends with our or a friend of a friend of our mutual friend adam gazali the neuroscientist who is on my podcast i didn't know

that and uh i was at princeton shortly after this gentleman we're referring to who gave the ted talk and now runs this hospice center climbed on top of this train and had his his uh one arm and both legs electrocuted off of his body like blown off of his body yeah and and i that was a cautionary tale when i went into my freshman year because it had just happened a few years before crazy yeah that is a great talk oh everybody should watch this and i'm so embarrassed i can't remember the guy's name but do you have a sample issue up yeah so if you sign up for the newsletter you get the last issue automatically oh there you go so the second you sign up i i send you within two minutes you get the last issue um and then you'll have it's it's basically about i'd say six to eight um things in there um and i tend to do you know a couple

videos a piece of electronics something you can carry with you, like a cool gadget or something that like a great pen or some ninja throwing stars. Um, but you know, again, the thing for me here is like, why yet another, another newsletter? And the only reason is because I'm constantly playing with like the latest electronics, um, and all different types of things out there. And I want to put just the absolute best out. Yeah, and you're one of maybe four or five newsletters that I subscribe to. Awesome. That's it. Well, I appreciate that.

Thank you. And it would be remiss of me not to mention, if you've done a few lines of coke and are really eager to sign up for every newsletter, that... There's like one guy out there right now that's like, fuck, I'm on it!

And that is five bullet friday which is my newsletter uh it's sent out a little more frequently once a week with the five things that i have found most fascinating or useful you know given week we're like jerking each other's newsletters off right now but the one that you did i bought that stupid thing that you did with the um the roller pin that has like the little like knob oh the uh the rumble roller the rumble roller yeah dude that thing is a game changer i travel with tell people about i travel with it so i have uh i have been a foam rolling skeptic for years partially because i've faithfully done foam rolling with various devices and seen very little return until i got this device called the rumble roller youfully done foam rolling with various devices and seen very little return

until I got this device called the Rumble Roller. You mean foam rolling as far as like rolling out your muscles and stuff like that? Yeah, rolling out my IT bands or my adductors. I'm going to get wine. Keep talking. Yeah, yeah, I will. And I had seen very little ROI. There were a few devices that I found very helpful from, say, Kelly Starrett, for instance, in MobilityWOD. There's one called the Gemini and a few others that I did find useful. But in general, foam rolling, I found very difficult and not worth the time invested until I found this thing called the Rumble Roller, which has knobs.

If you could imagine a motocross bike tire turned into a foam roller that has a very hard consistency. This is that device. So I travel with, I think it's the 12 inch version or 18 inch version of that. It literally travels with me everywhere. Uh, and that is the squeaking of another bottle of wine opening. So I will continue with my next recommendation. That was like a Foley Studio version of opening wine. That was incredible. Oh, nice. Yeah, Kevin cut his poor little finger open. Too bad we're not doing any more glucometer ketone testing.

Save you the trouble since you just cut off the tip of your finger. I am doing something a little weird. Oh, wait. First, more last bit of call in the next 10 minutes and you'll get this for free. The five bullet Friday, if you haven't received it, it has more than a 60% open rate. If you're involved in email, that is bonkers. Dude, that's actually right where I'm at right now. Oh, nice. Well, yeah. And I think it's because vetted recommendations just do the job. It's incredible. So five bullet Friday, if you go to 4hourworkweek.com forward slash Friday, it'll pop right up.

So you can check that out. It's free. Always will be. And next on the list, I will bring up a book that I've been enjoying as a devout nonfiction purist for a long time. I am enjoying delving yet again back into fiction. And this book that I'm going to recommend is short, it is easy to read, and it is hilarious. And as is Toaster, who's waggling his head with metal attached to it, The Baron in the Trees. The Baron in the Trees is, and I think the guy's name is Italo Calvino, something like that. But The Baron and the Trees

was recommended to me by my brother. And my brother and my mother are both very, very, not highbrow, but they have high standards for books. They never recommend anything unless they love it. And they don't love more than say one out of every 20 books they pick up. And there've been two books in the last maybe 10 years that have been strongly, strongly recommended to me by my brother and mother in one case, which was Motherless Brooklyn, which is a great, hilarious book about a detective with Tourette's syndrome in Brooklyn. And then The Baron and the Trees. The Baron and the Trees is an older book about a young baron who gets in a huge dispute with his father over dinner,

runs outside, climbs up a tree, and stays in the trees for the rest of his life. And has love affairs, learns how to hunt, learns how to build things, work on architectural problems. And it's a fun book to read. And what is most convenient about it as a fiction book is that unlike something like Game of Thrones, for instance, or The Golden Compass, or any of these, or even Dune, something with really intense world building and a lot of characters, you get to meet the primary characters in The Baron and the Trees

within the first 20 pages. And you can stop for a week or two and pick up right where you left off without having to reread the previous three or four chapters. Is this on audio as well? I don't know if it's on audio. And honestly, there's part of me, because I do have the audio book club with Audible, audible.com forward slash Tim's Books, is I want to just make all of these things into audio.

It frustrates me that they're not available, but it's a lot of work to turn these things into audio. So I don't know. If it isn't, it should be turned into audio and I'll leave someone in the audience. I will pass the bat device from Fitbit here that came out, gosh, just a few weeks ago, actually like two weeks ago. And I picked it up. I've been a Fitbit user for a long time. I'm not sure, Tim, I don't think we ever talked about how you track your heart rate or anything else. We have not. Do you track it at all? I don't right now. I have a device that I am blanking on the name of, which is a heart rate variability focused heart rate monitor. And I'm going to be literally shaving half of the hair off of my chest to put this, not implant, but effectively paste this onto my chest for seven days straight. So it'll be 24-7 heart rate data gathered from the chest that I will then ship off for analysis. But that's like clinical grade heart rate monitoring, right?

That's right. But in terms of- So if you want sleep data, you don't have to shave your chest? No, no, no, no. You don't have to do that. But I'm a wacko that way. And I'm doing it as part of something called the Health Nucleus through a company called

Human Longevity, Inc., which I've invested in, which was co-founded by Craig Vettner, who sequenced the first human genome. Oh, I've heard about this. Peter Diamandis, chairman of the XPRIZE, and then Bob Hariri, who's a stem cell expert. Is Adam involved in this at all? I don't know if Adam's involved. Okay, he mentioned

this, one of our scientist friends. But they have just massive data crunching capabilities. So part of the testing included full-body MRIs, full genome sequencing, et cetera. And the take-home homework in this case was to

shave your chest and paste this on, which I have yet to do, of course, because shaving my chest, I'm like a silverback gorilla. It's a lot of work to contend with. So I've put it off, but I'll be doing that in the next, starting that in the next day or two. Yeah. So back to the Fitbit stuff. Good luck with the shaving. I've been a Fitbit user since day one.

And, you know, I've tried all these different ones, whether different ones, whether it's the Fitbit one or the Jawbone. I tried even the Microsoft one briefly. And then also the Withings. So I've been- The Costco version. The Costco version. Whatever it is, I'll try it. Oh, actually, I really liked the one from,

oh gosh, what was it? Misfit. Misfit was great. Yeah, Misfit was great. Because it had a long battery life. It was really lightweight, but it would pop out all the time. I'd lose it. But, um, long story short for me, you know, I always try and hit that either 3000 calories a day or 10,000 steps per day. You're going to say 10,000 calories. I was like, I guarantee you the watch isn't going to help you one or the other. Uh, but the, the, I've always

wanted something that does heart rate. So they came out with the Fitbit HR here probably, gosh, I'd say a year and a half, two years ago. I used that for a while, but this just came out and it has a full display, almost like an Apple Watch does. And the thing I like about it is that you can go into situations, whether it be running on the treadmill, lifting weights, or sauna use, and you can track your heart rate and time things as well. So for me, what I do, like today, you saw me doing it. When we went to the sauna, I go in there and I say, okay, I'm going to go in the sauna. I'm going to try and hit 10 minutes in the heat. And then when my heart, so one of two things, either I hit 10 minutes and I leave and take a break or, um, my heart rate will hit 130 to 140.

And if it hits that, then I also take a break cause I know it's just too much for me. So the one thing I did is I went and I did a bunch of research on all these different trackers and tried to find the one with the highest temperature rating, because I wanted to withstand the heat. Because a lot of devices, I've taken my iPhone, for example, into a sauna, which is probably stupid, but I wanted to listen to a podcast. And so I put it on the ground so it'd be at the lowest possible temperature in the sauna. And after about 10 minutes, it puts a warning screen up saying overheating. And then I had to kick it outside of the door so that I wouldn't lose my iPhone. It would melt. But this device, I can go in the hottest possible saunas and it just works great.

It looks like an Apple watch. It's a little bit uglier. I mean, just being like real talk, it's ugly. It's not that... It's not that bad. You're a watch snob. Yeah, but you're... I'm sorry. You have high standards for watches. Yeah, I mean, so typically I wear a mechanical watch on my 9 to 5 at Hodinkee. But this for me, it does what I want it to do in that for me, I want heart rate tracking. I want sleep tracking.

I want long battery life. So it has a five-day battery, which is awesome. And then I can recharge it when I'm at work. What is the name of this model? Fitbit Blaze. So it's $199. And like I said before, when I'm doing stuff in the sauna, it's essential because I can track just the time. And when I leave the sauna or I get off the treadmill, if I'm doing interval training or weights or whatever, I can hit pause so I can track the total amount of time. It syncs back to the app. I get charts and graphs back in the app. I don't know. It's just like, I know that, that, you know, you and I both have a lot of, of, of fans that tend to love all things

health and fitness. I would say out of all the health and fitness bands out there, this is probably the best one. And it was, it was cool to observe your heart rate change as we went from one temperature to another. Or even in the case of when we were sitting in the hottest kind of gulag torture chamber version of a sauna, when we were on the top step with the sort of stone masoned, I don't even know what you would call it, oven. Yeah, it's like a big oven. Across the room from us. Literally felt like my ears were being crisped like pork rinds.

When you poured the water over yourself, we could watch your temperature drop, just plummet, or your heart rate, excuse me, plummet on your watch. It was really cool to watch how it oscillated. Yeah. So when you go into exercise mode, it keeps the heart rate kind of front and center on the device. So you can just flick your wrist up and you can see instantly what your heart rate is. And when you're sitting there in this extreme heat, the water that they pump into the actual place, into buckets, is freezing cold.

Yeah, it's super freezing cold. And so I just dumped it over my head. And I'm sitting there at 130 beats a minute. And you see it drop down to 125, 120, 115, 110. And it's just like it plummets. And it's fun to watch. And then also when we did the freezing ice bath, same thing. I was hovering around 100 before I went in. And then down to mid-70s ice bath, same thing. I was like hovering around a hundred before I went in and then, you know, down to mid

seventies once I'm in the, in the ice water. So I don't know for people that are geeks like myself or you, like I told you when we were leaving, I said, you should buy one of these cause they're just great to have when you're working out. Um, you don't have to wear it all the time on the sleep data is great too. Um, so I use it for that. If I can, I can definitely see, you know, know, if I had too many cups of coffee the night before, I look at my sleep data and it's just like spiky. What is it displaying?

Your movement? It displays movement. Exactly. So you can see when you've had a big disturbance, like say you just get up to use the restroom or something. Big disturbance in the forest? Dropping a deuce after too much fiber? Exactly. I don't think that happens in the middle of the night. Who does that in the middle of dropping a deuce after too many, too much fiber. Exactly. Uh,

I don't think that happens in the middle of the night. Who does it in the middle of the night? I thought you were volunteering yourself. I was just saying like, I sometimes you got to get music, go pee real quick. Yeah, of course.

But, but more, moreover, it tracks kind of like your little micro movements. So you get, why are you laughing at me? Big disturbance. You've been feeding me wine. I haven't had any booze for like four weeks in any case are you serious that's four weeks yeah

i am serious all right actually that's complete horseshit because i just kind of came back from having a lot of booze with a bunch of people but uh it's been 30 minutes having more lysine at the time which affects ethanol metabolism in a very interesting way interesting uh. Which is also my five-bullet Friday. Wink, wink. Do you have any of that on you right now? I do not. I have it back at the hotel. In any case, sorry to interrupt.

I don't have anything else to say. I thought it was a great device. I don't have any vested interest here. If you like it, buy it. It's ugly. It's $199. It's the best for- That should be the tagline.

Ugly and incredibly useful. Exactly. I was really bummed out. I wanted it to look cooler, but it just doesn't. But I love Fitbit in general. A couple of random recommendations for folks. So I recently spent time in Yellowstone National Park. It was the first time I'd really spent a lot of time there, which spans across three states.

The vast majority in Montana, some in Wyoming, and then a tiny percentage, 1% or 2% in Idaho. And just had the most unbelievably connected and beautiful tour of Yellowstone via a cutting-edge snowmobile, which is very quiet, in fact. Oh, is it electric? It's not electric, but very, very quiet. And the only way that you can take tours through Yellowstone is to be with a guide who's certified.

And so I wanted to recommend, if you end up in Montana, I know this is a small percentage of you listening, if you haven't been to Montana, you should go anyway, end up in Bozeman, and then you can take a tour with Two Top Snowmobile Rental. Two Top Snowmobile Rental, and I recommend the full-day tour if you can do it with a smaller group. And Michelle was my guide, and she is amazing. She knew everything you could possibly want to know about geology, anthropology, animal movements. We saw bison, a coyote hunt.

We saw red fox. We saw bald eagles. You hunted coyotes? No, that sounds weird. We saw a fox successfully, not a fox, coyote successfully pounce on the snow and push its paws through the permafrost. Did you see that coyote video I sent you where it got stuck? I did. So no, no, no.

So its head didn't get stuck. It was literally pushing its head in the video you sent me through the snow to get to a weevil or some type of rodent. It was funny though, right? It was funny. It kind of ate you.

Now the coyote does the same thing, but because it has a higher body weight, it can use its paws to like pounce, boom, caught what they call a pocket gopher, and then wagged its tail like a happy dog and pulled this thing out. It was sitting in its mouth. It was just incredible to watch. But the point being, also went, speaking of cold, for a dip in the, I think it's the

Firehole River, where there's snow and ice, passed by a couple of bison, then went skinny dipping in this river for like five minutes. Had to be, I'm guessing guessing high 30s at at best but two top snowmobile rental uh michelle is fantastic if you want to see her photographs taken in yellowstone you can see her on instagram i think it's at mtn like mountain michelle uh and she was just fantastic that's awesome can't can't say enough about her uh i have two more things. Do you have anything else? I have one book, which is a friend of ours.

Let me throw one out there then, which is related in terms of books and going not into the future as a technologist, but going very retro. And that is, I am beginning once again to, after many decades of not doing this, subscribing to print magazines. I am now. Oh, so am I. Really? Yes.

I just, I just picked this up. Have you heard of this magazine? Hold on. I'm walking over. Have you heard of this? Monocle. Yeah,

I have. It's great. It is a very good magazine. I am subscribing to nat geo so national geographic and scientific american and the reason being when you read long form material on a computer you are at the mercy of a distraction economy with push notifications agree social pushes it's so weird we're both getting into this right you know what i mean dude when i lay down at night daria will tell you i

have monocle next to me like a magazine or something or a book and like that's my new thing it's my new jam is like it's too easy to get distracted by tab browsing when you're in the browser oh it's it's nearly impossible comes in. You have literally billions of dollars going into studying how to prevent you from focusing. Right. It's like, what's your budget? Certainly not billions of dollars if you're any normal person. Holy shit, dude. That's a heavy pour.

Wow, that's a lot of wine. All right, here we go. I think Kevin's about to roofie me everybody you are my witness uh but it's so it's so relaxing and luxurious in a in a time where you're bombarded by more information every day than you could possibly consume in a lifetime to sit down and single task with a page that has no notifications. Yeah. It's so relaxing. Especially when you know that the people behind whatever you're picking up

have spent, let me just goes to our point of doing these once a every so often newsletters or whatever. It's like we spend a lot of time really thinking what would people appreciate? What is high quality? And that's the same when it goes to print. Doing the heavy lifting.

Doing the heavy lifting. And what blew me away, I'd never really read Scientific American until a few weeks ago. And I'll be honest, most pop science magazines I find not pandering. They're dumbed down to an extent that the science is compromised. It's like McNews, like USA Today. That's right. Now, Scientific American, on the other hand, I picked this up and I read the reader responses.

These are letters who come in, hey toast, in response to previous articles. And the level of scientific literacy was so impressive to me that i read the rest of the magazine and you ever read nature i have read nature it's impossible it's dense it's very dense i mean you need to be a scientist really to interpret that but uh i found scientific american to be a good stretch publication for me because it provides enough context that I can find a foothold

to understand the majority of the conversation. But it also pushes me because it involves a lot of good scientists and science writers. And specifically, I was reading in this last issue about CRISPR, which is a gene editing tool and approach which allows precision and speed and cost efficiencies previously impossible and you can literally use as i think it's uh feel free to veto me daria if i say anything really stupid here but i think it's a a messenger rna that basically lines up with specific base pairs of dna if you're looking for a specific gene, and you can knock it out. Or you could knock something in.

Wait, of your own genes? Well, you could do it to yourself. That has a lot of risks. That is really dangerous. You could do it for your kids. Also dangerous. Or like ethically challenging. But right now they're using it in experimenting with it

as it relates to agriculture, for instance, to make mushrooms that don't brown and get all slimy and gross or that last at least a few weeks longer. This kind of stuff scares me. I think that people have well-founded fears based on incorrect assumptions. So, for instance, if you look at genetically modified foods and people are like, GMO, bad, oh my God, we're all going to die. Scary, scary, scary stuff. Usually what they're afraid of, if you drill down to it,

is transgenic gene modification. In other words, they're taking like fish genes and putting it into wheat or doing something really weird, and even I would say unnatural. In this particular case, using CRISPR,

and of course, particularly since it will get to a point or is at a point where you can gene edit for a few hundred dollars. I mean, it is super inexpensive. I'm sure there will be big messes that are created. However, the natural process of, say, plant hybridization, which is gene editing, is not a completely benign process like it's actually a really brute force inaccurate process so uh and then there there is a podcast which i had in full disclosure i've not yet listened to but it was tweeted out by bill girley one of the i think smartest vcs venture capitalists out there brilliant Brilliant. The best podcast you will ever listen to was his tweet. And it was a podcast, is a podcast about CRISPR, C-R-I-S-P-R, by Radiolab.

So I wanted to throw that out there as well. Cool. So one thing on my side of the print equation, Monocle, definitely pick an issue up. You're going to have to go to Barnes & Noble or something like one of those funky little... Cigar shop. Yeah, it's like cigar shop combo, magazine

combo, newspapers. You know the shop I'm talking about. Like the Chinese variety store with the luggage and the little diver who's swimming around in a bucket. I've always plus one of those lottery tickets yeah more or less uh but monocle is great it kind of so this is the the um little subtext underneath monocle it says a briefing on global affairs business culture and design

and um you know they come out with a new issue every month it's just a fun read so anyway pick it up let me know if you like it. That is my take on the print side. What are these fancy shoes that you're wearing? These are Nike shoes. They're those really thin-soled, kind of like 3.0s, they're called. They're Nike training shoes. Very colorful.

Yeah. I actually, the ones I like even better, I linked in my last issue of the journal. Wink. No, I didn't do any affiliate codes like you do i offer non-affiliate codes don't be don't cast stones in your glass house so what uh last book well no hold on so what were the shoes oh they're just some nike uh they were a combination they were a running shoe but they have enough width on them that i haven't showed them to you i don't they're not downstairs i have

to go show to you in a minute but they have enough width on them that you can actually lift weights and squat with them as well so it's like a great almost like a crossfit style shoe um they're amazing if you read my entire newsletter you'd know that cross. CrossFit style shoe. Does it say? Bro. They're not CrossFit style. Do you even lift, bro, on the side? I don't do CrossFit. I'm not a CrossFit. Clearly.

Tim Tamer. More Alexander technique. Dude, are you kidding me? I still have bigger arms than you do. Oh, you and your guns. I know. I'm surprised. You're like one of those genetically modified chickens with huge breasts.

I don't know how your feet keep you up. Dude, why are you hating? because you're feeding me alcohol i'm getting all i'm getting all insecure and passive aggressive you didn't do roids it's probably the roids video it's true i have been growing horns mostly growth hormone this is when the podcast is totally went downhill alpine last two minutes alpine goat growth hormone i don't recommend that folks i'm not a doctor i don't play one on the internet. All right. Let's talk about our friend's book, Brodo.

Oh, yes. Absolutely. All right. This is the final. The final thing. So our friend Marco that you actually introduced me to, he runs a restaurant out here in New York City called Hearth. Phenomenal farm-to-table food. One of my favorite restaurants.

If you fly solo or it's just two of you, sit at the pass if you can, meaning where you can watch all the food coming up. Yeah, it's an awesome place. I think you'd agree. He also has a little window off to the side of the restaurant that is a walk-up window. So it's almost like a coffee walk-up little station facing the street. You walk up there, and he makes brodo.

And brodo obviously means like bone broth. It's Italian for broth. And he makes these phenomenal combinations of like turkey and chicken and beef broths along with like onions and herbs. And he serves it in turmeric and he serves it in a coffee cup. And so like you get like a to-go afternoon treat that is just sipping broth. And it is awesome. It's ketogenic friendly. It's grass-fed bones. And he has combinations. So one that you haven't heard of that I just tried, I know this because I live here and you don't, which I'm really stoked because when we lived in San Francisco, we couldn't find this stuff.

He does a broth now with chocolate, like dark chocolate, pure dark chocolate, and like coconut milk, which is a really funky combination. Oh, then – Is it all coagulated and unmixed and nasty or is it no no it's good but the one i tried last week which was amazing was this chicken uh broth with like a chicken egg yolk in there oh that sounds amazing like blended up with a couple other spices which was just phenomenal so do you which now what is your favorite broth so far? The hearth broth. But is it chicken, beef? What's your preference?

The hearth broth is the blend of all their broths. Oh. And so it's like a hybrid. And then I add- The animal bone medley. Yes, exactly. And I add the chili. He does this really- Babe, do you remember what chili it is?

What chili he has in the broth? It's like a really spicy chili that he adds to the broth. Yeah. Maybe a Szechuan chili, Szechuan cat chili with bone marrow. And that's like my go-to. It's amazing. Um,

anyway, long story short, you can only get this in New York. And I was really bummed when I lived in San Francisco cause I couldn't find it anywhere else. And to make this stuff, you need a good recipe and it's easy to do. And it's really cheap to do because you can buy bones for just dirt cheap from your butcher. The book is called

Brodo, B-R-O-D-O. It's on Amazon. Go buy it. Marco, last name Conora. Yes. C-A-N-O-R-A. For those of you who read The 4-Hour Chef, he popped up a lot. He was super helpful. So his book has all of his recipes in it. It's awesome. And he also does a bone broth fast in there, which is interesting. It's really cool stuff. And you will be blown away by the flavor of these broths. And it's really healthy for you too. I mean, do you know about why bone broth is so healthy for you? Can you speak to that? Oh, boy. Because you get a lot of the nutrients right out of the actual marrow.

This is probably a better question for our resident scientist in the room daria but you want to talk about i mean i would say yeah i mean if you want to get into the whole bone broth conversation uh what do you think uh daria nourishing traditions sally fallon is that okay yeah i would say nourishing traditionsitions, Sally Fallon. Is that okay? Yeah, I would say Nourishing Traditions by Sally Fallon, which talks a lot about the observations of Dr. Weston Price. Also very controversial, but I think Nourishing Traditions is a very good basic primer on bone broth and whatnot. That's a very, very... What did Weston Price have to say? If you're going to buy a half a dozen cookbooks, I think Nourishing Traditions is one of those six.

What did Weston Price have to say about it in his book? I will default to Ms. Fallon and Nourishing Traditions. I was curious because I love his other stuff on cod liver oil and things like that. Well, I will say, speaking of cod liver oil, that after my podcast with Dominic D'Agostino, who's the scientist who's created some incredible exogenous... Dr. Dom. Exactly. I love him. He's awesome.

He's amazing. He's so, so good. He's got a great podcast, by the way. Really? He's got his own podcast, but he only put out one episode so far. He's so good. He's so, so good. Yeah, Dom is not only an incredible scientist who's created synthetic ketones for Navy SEALs and whatnot, funded by the DOD, and is a published researcher. He is also a beast of an athlete. I mean, the guy, I think he's so incredible i mean he did i think it was a 60 fast and then did like 500 pounds for

10 reps in the deadlift just to prove that forced production could be maintained after that type of fast but the reason i bring him up is that he i asked him what his breakfast looked like he's like well i have a can of sardines and i was like which sardines and then i have some oysters and from a can what kind of oysters and i adopted his breakfast and the sardines this is a really weird thing and uh i don't know if anybody here will have any theories as to why this is the case, but I started eating the sardines from, I want to say it's wild planet.

And I noticed that my two things started to happen. My teeth appeared whiter and they started to remineralize or appear to remineralize, which makes some sense because you're consuming the bones of the fish. In any case, that's become my go-to. When I travel, I literally travel with boxes of sardines if I'm going on extended trips. You want to hear something crazy? This is the honest to God truth. Your podcast came out the next day. No, two days later, I went to Whole Foods and I was

like, yeah, I'll do some of that. I'll get some sardines, blah, blah, blah. Because you mentioned the brands and you said they were at Whole Foods. Sold out. And you know that's never going to be the case with sardines. It's like that's something that's a hot seller. So funny you bring this up. I've heard the same thing from people in Austin. I've heard the same thing from people in multiple cities. That's so crazy, dude. you are like a sardine, like, sardine Oprah.

Yeah, you're the sardine Oprah, dude. You should get that t-shirt. Tim Ferriss, sardine Oprah. I'm sure Oprah would love that. She'd be like, well, no, I'm not going to do your podcast. That's amazing.

What else do we have? That's it. So you have some sardines here. You got a different brand. Yeah, that was because all the others were sold out's it So you have some sardines here You got a different brand Yeah That was because All the others were sold out The Bela

Portuguese sardines This is fun We should have more wine Let's do our time Let's do it Any closing thoughts? Yeah Just

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And as always, folks, the show notes, links to various things that we have mentioned will be available in the show notes at fourhourworkweek.com forward slash podcast and if you would like to get my random musings and craziness my favorite five things that i find each week just go to fourhourworkweek.com forward slash friday and knock yourselves out And that is it for now. At Kevin Rose. At Kevin Rose on Twitter. At T Ferris. Oh, at H-I-Hi K Rose on Snapchat. Follow me up on Snapchat. Lots of dick pics from Kevin. I mean, they come every single day.

They're every other hour. They're monstrous. It's incredible. I think that's a good place to end before we incriminate ourselves any further. Peace out. More wine. Thanks for listening. Bye. Bye.

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