The Tim Ferriss Show - #167: Jamie Foxx Part 2 - Bringing the Thunder

Episode Date: June 18, 2016

Jamie Foxx (@iamjamiefoxx) returns to the show for a special role-reversal where he interviews me for his radio show. For those of you who didn't hear Jamie's first appearance on the podcast, which was voted 2015 Podcast of the Year by Product Hunt, you can check it out here. In this episode, you'll hear many stories and topics that haven't been discussed before -- including Jamie's exploration of past lives. It goes in many different directions, but I think you'll enjoy it. If you only have 5 minutes, listen to the first few minutes because Jamie is the consummate performer, which is what you'd expect from an Academy Award-winning actor, Grammy Award-winning musician, and famous standup and improv comedian. He has all the tools in the toolkit. Please enjoy this raucous romp! Show notes and links for this episode can be found at www.fourhourworkweek.com/podcast. This podcast is brought to you by MeUndies. Have you ever wanted to be as powerful as a mullet-wearing ninja from the 1980’s, or as sleek as a black panther in the Amazon? Of course you have, and that’s where MeUndies comes in. I’ve spent the last six months wearing underwear from these guys 24/7, and they are the most comfortable and colorful underwear I’ve ever owned. Their materials are 2x softer than cotton, as evaluated using the Kawabata method. Check out MeUndies.com/Tim to see my current faves (some are awesomely ridiculous, like the camo) This podcast is also brought to you by Wealthfront. Wealthfront is a massively disruptive (in a good way) set-it-and-forget-it investing service led by technologists from places like Apple. It has exploded in popularity in the last two years and now has more than $2.5B under management. Why? Because you can get services previously limited to the ultra-wealthy and only pay pennies on the dollar for them, and it's all through smarter software instead of retail locations and bloated sales teams. Check out wealthfront.com/tim, take their risk assessment quiz, which only takes 2-5 minutes, and they'll show you -- for free -- exactly the portfolio they'd put you in. If you want to just take their advice and do it yourself, you can. Well worth a few minutes to explore: wealthfront.com/tim.***If you enjoy the podcast, would you please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcasts/iTunes? It takes less than 60 seconds, and it really makes a difference in helping to convince hard-to-get guests. I also love reading the reviews!For show notes and past guests, please visit tim.blog/podcast.Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (“5-Bullet Friday”) at tim.blog/friday.For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts.Interested in sponsoring the podcast? Visit tim.blog/sponsor and fill out the form.Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books.Follow Tim:Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss Instagram: instagram.com/timferrissFacebook: facebook.com/timferriss YouTube: youtube.com/timferrissPast guests on The Tim Ferriss Show include Jerry Seinfeld, Hugh Jackman, Dr. Jane Goodall, LeBron James, Kevin Hart, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jamie Foxx, Matthew McConaughey, Esther Perel, Elizabeth Gilbert, Terry Crews, Sia, Yuval Noah Harari, Malcolm Gladwell, Madeleine Albright, Cheryl Strayed, Jim Collins, Mary Karr, Maria Popova, Sam Harris, Michael Phelps, Bob Iger, Edward Norton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Neil Strauss, Ken Burns, Maria Sharapova, Marc Andreessen, Neil Gaiman, Neil de Grasse Tyson, Jocko Willink, Daniel Ek, Kelly Slater, Dr. Peter Attia, Seth Godin, Howard Marks, Dr. Brené Brown, Eric Schmidt, Michael Lewis, Joe Gebbia, Michael Pollan, Dr. Jordan Peterson, Vince Vaughn, Brian Koppelman, Ramit Sethi, Dax Shepard, Tony Robbins, Jim Dethmer, Dan Harris, Ray Dalio, Naval Ravikant, Vitalik Buterin, Elizabeth Lesser, Amanda Palmer, Katie Haun, Sir Richard Branson, Chuck Palahniuk, Arianna Huffington, Reid Hoffman, Bill Burr, Whitney Cummings, Rick Rubin, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Darren Aronofsky, and many more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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for his radio show and we simultaneously recorded for the podcast. It was great fun. We recorded in his studio at his home in Los Angeles. For those of you who didn't hear the first appearance of Jamie on the podcast, it was voted 2015 podcast of the year last year with product hunt and others. The title was Jamie Foxx on workout routines, success habits, and untold Hollywood stories. You can check that out at fourhourworkweek.com forward slash Jamie. And for those interested, the second place runner up for podcast of the year was also from the Tim Ferriss show. And that was Naval Ravikant. If you haven't heard of him, you got to learn all about him. And that is fourhourworkweek.com forward slash Naval

N-A-V-A-L. A few things about this episode. So it's cut up into segments because we were taking commercial breaks for the radio show. There were a number of songs that Jamie comments on or refers to indirectly that I couldn't play in this podcast due to copyright reasons. They are from Seu Malemolencia and one of the hottest voices and faces ever. That is Brazilian Portuguese, Babymetal, Karate, Federico Aubele, noche, and then seven dust splinter. All of these will be linked to in the show notes. So just go to four hour workweek.com forward slash podcast for all the show notes on this episode and every other episode. And there are going to be a couple of stories in here for very long-term listeners that you've probably heard some variation of before, because people ask me about some of my backstory, etc. There are definitely things you have not heard before, including

Jamie's exploration of past lives, and it goes in many different directions. But I think you'll enjoy it. And at the very least, listen to the first few minutes because Jamie is the consummate performer, which is of course what you would expect from someone who is an Academy Award winning actor, Grammy Award winning musician, and a famous stand up and improv comedian. He has all the tools in the toolkit. You can say hi to Jamie on Twitter at I am Jamie Foxx, two X's. And without further ado, please enjoy this raucous romp through the mind of Jamie Foxx and yours truly. If I told you that Oprah Winfrey is now a white man, if I told you that Oprah Winfrey has now become Caucasian,

what would you say? I got a chance to meet this man. This man literally changed my life. My young friend, Ricardo, who speaks seven languages, he's a heartthrob. He explained to me about who this guy was. He says, you need to do this guy's podcast. And I was like, really? Because I was such, I'm ancient.

When it came to the internet, when it came to these things, social media, I was so far behind that Ricardo would always say, you got to shake off the dust. You know, it was like my parents when they were trying to figure out a microwave. And he brought this guy into my house, and we did this incredible interview. And literally, it was like I had a record out when I left. It was like I had a movie out when I left. It was like I had a movie out when I left. I was getting stopped by people of all walks of life

that said, Jamie, I don't necessarily like your shit, but what you did on this man's show moved me. Joe Rogan, who I'm known from the comedy world, Ricardo sends me a clip of Joe Rogan talking about this man I'm talking about now 70 million downloads am I right 70 million

some of you guys don't even have 65 likes and you're constantly constantly constantly posting you need to get it together maybe you need his four-hour plan. I'm talking about none other. The Oprah Winfrey of the internet. Ladies and gentlemen, turn the music up.

Tim Farris is in the building. Tim, how you doing, baby? I'm doing fantastic. So thanks again for having me. Hey, man. I love this studio. Hey, listen, man. There's good vibes in this studio.

There's great vibes, man. Listen, all I can say is that I cannot say enough of who you are. I was in New York. Lawyers, doctors, all walks of people came up to me and said, yo, Jamie, the Tim Ferriss interview, like, took me over the moon. And I was like, I was, you know, obviously, Ricardo had told me who you were and all the research can still cannot put into words what, how you impact the world. Where do you come from? What are you doing since 1977?

You were born in 87. I was born in 77. I had time to pick up the Breaking 2 Electric Boogaloo. Little cardboard on Long Island. Now the song we just played is one of Tim's top five songs. What was the name of that song? That is Malemolencia by a singer named Seu from Brazil. Wow, and you know what? You made the foxhole

work too because I asked him for his five songs and he didn't give me no iTunes shit. He said get in them crates. Get in those crates and luckily we have a Cuban who's putting things together and before Trump gets in office you know we got a few... Anyway, we got a few minutes.

We'll talk about all that later on. We're here with Tim Ferriss. Tim, where do you come from, man? And how... What gives you the mindset? Now, I've met you. You've interviewed me, but, like, now people want to know who you are.

Like, where do you come from? I was born and raised on Long Island. Wow. Rattail and all. Long Island. Wow. Rat tail and all. Long Island. Strong Island. Strong Island. Out at the end.

And mom was a physical therapist, dad a real estate broker, local real estate broker. And my parents were very good at encouraging me and my younger brother, that's the family, to explore. And they always had, they didn't have much budget for anything other than books. So if we, if we latched onto something, right. They would take us to say the remainder table at the bookstore and find these

discounted books. And yeah. And, uh, that is where I think a lot of the experimentation started mostly because I was very hyperactive as a kid, but I was a rut. I was born premature.

And so my, my mom got some good word from the other, the other ladies, the other moms, that kid wrestling was a good place to exhaust your kid. So she threw me into wrestling and I had no endurance because of some lung issues and other issues. So I started getting very good in high school at cutting weight. And that's where I started really studying the human body and this obsession with self-experimentation took off. Wow, self-experimentation. What makes you think that, though? I mean, because this is what I say all the time. It's like people have gifts. You know, everybody's given a gift.

But what would make you think self-experimentation and how would that manifest to what it is right now? Or did you foresee that? Well, I think that one of the catalysts was a weakness that turned into a strength. So for cutting weight, I always sweat very easily, which meant that I could get dehydrated very easily. Now that was a liability and a problem in so many other sports, but in wrestling, if I'm trying to cut down to a lower weight class, it was a huge advantage. I could, I could lose water weight very quickly. And so I started thinking, well, if that's the case, that this weakness can be turned into a strength, where else can I find Achilles heels that I can turn into advantages? And it just led me to be a bit more analytical

than I suppose some of the other kids who were normal and they could compete in the normal way i just couldn't do that right and i also had a very uh influential coach wrestling coach mr buxton who was uh i think a rarity in today's climate at least he was a hard ass who like cared enough to really beat your ass yeah that's the old school tip we don't have it no more you can't touch the kids no more. I mean, my father was a teacher for 20 years. He can't touch the kids. He said, I wouldn't be able to

govern. So he whooped your ass, huh? Oh, yeah. I mean, we would I just remember one practice we had these drills. I think they're called blood circles or something horrible. Some horrible name. Oh, man. I was like, Mr. Bucks, I don't think I can do it bucks I don't think I can do it I don't think I can do it and he's not only a successful coach I mean he was a tri varsity athlete in college and

exceptional athlete and coach but he was also very good at teaching he was a teacher English teacher I believe and an incredible fundraiser for the school so he was multi-talented now he's the Dean of Culver Academy military academy in Indiana but I remember at one point I was like mr. bucks I can't do it anymore So he was multi-talented now. He's the Dean of Culver Academy military Academy in Indiana But I remember at one point I was like mr. Bucks. I can't do it anymore I'm gonna puke and he's like he's like that's what the bucket over there is for Wow So go over there and puke and then come back and continue the drill Wow And what what was great about that environment? Although I didn't realize it at the time And is that he pushed all of us past the point that we felt was our limit

and if you look at the kids who are in that wrestling team like my wrestling partner guy named uh charles best who was a year ahead of me always beat me by one point wrestle loss for the varsity spot where's charles now so charles is the ceo and founder of a non-profit called donors choose which is a huge educational non that has people like Oprah Winfrey and Stephen Colbert and all these supporters. Huge, massive success that's changing the world. And he also credits a lot of his success back to Mr. Buck. Back to the coach.

Steel, sharp as steel. It's Jamie Foxx, Foxx on Radio. You know how we get down. Series 96. We are with the Oprah Winfrey of the internet. We're with the Oprah. His podcast is number one. He's breaking it down on how he learned what self-experimentation was.

He tells us that his coach, which I still credit my coach, Coach Isaac, my seventh grade coach who gave me licks if my grades was wrong gave me licks if i got caught outside you know he made sure he was doing he's giving us building blocks but talk about this when you say there was a problem can you speak on what it was you had a a lung situation yeah i had so my lung collapsed when i was born and i think i had uh five total blood transfusions so i was in the icu as a young kid and so so I was I still scars on the left side of my chest And then on my wrist here. It looks kind of like a cigarette burns not a cigarette burn I was about to that's that's from it being intubated and

so even to this day, I'm very very sensitive to heat and Have a lot of issues with even heat stroke in a few occasions where I've had to be hospitalized. And my brain just doesn't function. It turns off. It has a set point where these things called heat shock proteins and whatnot get triggered at a relatively low temperature compared to other folks. Right. So you got to stay cool. I have to stay cool.

Yeah, man. Got to stay cool. Got to stay cool, bro. Got to stay cool. Yeah. It almost sounds like a superhero. It's like a— It's like—do you remember Unbreakable?

Yeah, yeah. It's almost like, wow, you take these things. It's like he's a superhero. He's able to give you a four-hour plan, but don't let him be in the sun. Definitely weak in the sun. I mean, you can see I'm not... I look like the underbelly of, I don't know, a manatee or something.

It's all right, man. I got some spray tan in there, you know. A couple of white girls came through. Left some spray tan. Well, I think what I've, you know, so I was a comic book nerd growing up. So I collected comics. Who was your favorite comic? Wolverine.

Wow. Because Wolverine was human. He was human. Yeah, speak on it, speak on it, brother. Wolverine and the punisher so i was in other words i was i was fans of the human comic book heroes who had found strengths or augmented strengths like superman it's like hey you were born that way yeah yeah but batman like he had to build yeah all the tools around him so that appealed to me as kind of a tinkerer and uh you

know even to this day the I trace it all back to these physical problems that I had as a kid and for instance this is about let's say five five or ten years ago I did an experiment at Stanford University they were I found out that they were doing research on heat tolerance for soldiers and I was like oh this is a chance for me to gather data on myself and figure out Why my brain turns off and so the experiment was terrible what they had us do is that have to put an esophageal Probe down my nose, so this is a piece of plastic. That's about two feet long

You put it through your nostril down your throat to your heart Level to measure your core body temperature And then you then you tape it so it doesn't get lost And then you take another one and you stick it up the other end. What does that mean? You stick it up your ass. Okay. Up to your heart that direction. Wow.

Because the military wants that data. Yeah. And then you put on a full military gear, weighted backpack, helmet, everything. You go into a hundred and I think it was four degree sauna and march on an inclined treadmill to exhaustion until you've basically have heat heat stroke so you have something up your ass and up your nose and down your nose this is going all out no wonder you you you know your shit to be able literally oh yeah uh and you did this i did and what they

were testing was a glove that uh you stuck your hand into this glove and it would create a vacuum around your wrist and then circulate cold water around a Metal cylinder that you grabbed and the theory was you could use that to rapidly cool your body temperature So they wanted to develop it for soldiers right and it was being tested at the time by some very very good boxers It's like very very good boxers some very very good athletes uh so that was uh that was all it took for me to volunteer to do it i only did about four sessions i was like after the fourth session i was like four times i've been going all right yeah i got i think i've had i think i've had enough of this yeah did you smoke a cigarette after ladies and gentlemen jamie fox foxhole radio is serious xm 96're going to take a break and we're coming right back and find out how he went from that

to being the top person on the internet. This is another song that he loves. Another one bites the dust. Tim Ferriss, we're back in a moment. SiriusXM96. Self-experimentation leading up to being one of the most sought-afters, the number one podcast in the world. I'm here with none other than the incredible, the remarkable superhero,

superhero Tim Ferriss in the building. How you doing, man? Better and better. Better and better. So take me through it. Take me through going through the experiments, finding out what you want to do up until four-hour work week. Sure.

So the trajectory was pretty... But get me to that, but just don't go straight to that. Oh, no, I'll get you there. I'll get you there. Where'd you find this niche? Well, I think there were a couple of things. So I had an opportunity my sophomore year in high school to go abroad for the first time. There was an exchange program that was available to me. And I'd never spent really any time outside of the United States.

You know, Niagara fall, maybe crossed over into Canada. But went to Japan for a year. And lived with Japanese families, went to a Japanese school. I was the only, at one point, the only white kid, only American kid at school, 5,000 Japanese kids. School uniforms and everything. So I was completely immersed in that culture for a year.

And what it showed me was how arbitrary a lot of our rules are. Really? Meaning, like we drive on one side of the street, they drive on the other. We take showers a certain way. They share baths, but you have to take a shower before you get in the bath. And the whole family uses the same bath water. Is that some kind of spiritual thing? It's just a Japanese cultural

tradition Oh food or they have these deep soaking baths and they go in order seniority so it's like grandma gets to go in first Wow then dad then mom then the siblings from oldest to youngest so it's like if you're the youngest kid you get you get the dregs you know you get all you get grandma's oh yeah you got grandma's cubes like floating around it's it's it's a trip so That's not an exaggeration. I was like, okay. Yeah, so so you get in after the whole family Oh, yeah, so I mean I would get in actually before the youngest brother cuz I was older than he was But but the point being that it it showed me

That our rules were very arbitrary a lot of our rules are just kind of socially reinforced and that there's room to improvise. You can negotiate those things. You can experiment. You can be different. You can march to your own drummer. And when I came back, I finished high school and ended up going to a college in New Jersey. I went to Princeton undergraduate and first studied neuroscience and then transferred to East Asian studies where I focused on Japanese, Chinese and Korean. I was mostly focused on the languages and language acquisition.

And why that? Why do you feel it was that? Is it the certain disciplines that they have or when you went over there, you felt something that made you change? Sort of like when I went to Africa, there was this thing that I felt. I said, wow, I feel this amazing thing in Mozambique. And I stood in the ocean and I was like, oh, I feel this thing. Is that the same?

You know, you're the first person who's kind of dug into this. Yes, I did feel something. And when I was there and, you know, I don't want to go as far to say like, oh, my God, maybe in a past life this, that or the other thing. But when I was there. For us on our show. Yeah. Please do that because we don't we don't we don't want to, you know, we don't skim. So if you really felt

that. I'll jump right into it. You know, I did. And to the extent that, you know, some of my closest friends, when I got into judo and I was training in different martial arts there and so on, they would say, they would insist. They're like, you're Japanese. You're not

American. You're Japanese. And I don't get it because it's weird. And so they would always, I mean, there's an expression, which is just like strange foreigner. And then it's like, oh, you're a strange foreigner. And they would just go on and on. Help me say that. What'd you say? So strange.

Okay. Now, how do I say it? So if you want to say strange foreigner, it's hennagaijin. Yeah, henn gaijin gaijin yeah henna gaijin so if you yeah so if you wanted to like if you're hanging out with some japanese people and then like and some non-japanese did something funny you just wait until they walked off and look at them and just go henna gaijin henna gaijin well if i'm just hanging out with some rappers and i don't like their song i just but but here's the thing like but but but speak on that spiritual thing, because I think, I think that is really real.

Yeah. And, and we've talked, you know, we were at a party and you expressed something about, you know, coyotes and things like that. But speak, speak on that, that you felt something. So in, in Japan, I felt like in a lot of ways I was returning home to a place I had never been, which is an odd feeling to have, but the simplicity, the striving for elegance and the way they use negative space, for instance, just the way that you'll have certain rooms in the house that are extremely uncluttered that are used for, uh, they have altars, they have tatami rooms. And it just struck a chord with me. And I felt like I was returning to something.

But of course, I had never been there previously. And the, quite frankly, a lot of the strict rules that they socially enforce. So you have, for instance, in the judo club, you have, and this can go wrong, right? I'm not saying all of it's good, but you have senpai, which are like the upperclassmen,

and then you have kouhai, which are like the lower classmen. And it's very hierarchical. It's like you do what the senpai tell you to do. But it was what I really enjoyed about it and what I had not really had because I was the oldest sibling in my family

Was like they'll beat your ass but No one else is allowed to beat your ass. You know, I mean This is a very kind of older brother type of relationship, but I was always the oldest so I hadn't I'd ever experienced that and I found just like tremendous comfort in that and in in a large to a large extent. And it was an easy to understand culture also. I think in the U.S. right now, people are prone not to say what they mean.

And I'll come back to that in a second. And there's so much political correctness. Wow, I want to get into that. I want to get into that. As a comedian, I want to get into that as a comedian. And everybody's concerned with upsetting everyone else's feelings. Whereas in Japan, once you get past what they call tate mai. So tate mai is like what you put forward to other people.

And then hone is what you really feel. And only if you speak Japanese, people are like, oh my God, Japanese people, they never say what they mean. I'm like, that's bullshit. You just don't speak Japanese. If you speak the language, they'll let you in. They're constantly saying it. The shoes like, that's bullshit. You just don't speak Japanese. If you speak the language, they'll let you in. They're constantly saying that with the shoes you got on. Yeah, yeah. I just found it a very

refreshing culture in the sense that there were rules that had worked for them for thousands of years and not all positive things came from them, but it did feel oddly familiar to me. Wow. Wow. That's amazing. Because you say that quite frankly,

or maybe it could have been a past life. We did it. We did a great radio interview with Quentin Tarantino on here. And we talked about how he used the N word, how he used the word. And I wanted to get him on because, you know, a lot of black folks,

you know, especially dealing with all the things with the Oscars, all these different things about, you know, that word and why Quentin Tarantino. And he said, before we got on the radio, and he also said on the radio, I felt that in my past life, I was actually a black man. And when he said that, it was no hokiness. It was actually, you know, you believe it because he spoke with conviction. So talk about Do you think that there that we do live past lives or or is it selective? I you know I I don't rule it out. I mean, it's I don't have any evidence for it right, but my experience in Japan was quirky enough and just

Felt deep and real enough that there seems to be more to the story. And, and, uh, even, even to the extent, and of course there are alternate ways to explain this, but I had trouble learning Spanish. Then I went to Japan and I picked up Japanese like a snap of the fingers. Wow. Uh, and, and there were challenges, but even the characters and so on came to me very naturally. And I think that was part of visual memory. But it was a transformative experience. So that year abroad sort of informed and changed the trajectory of my life completely. And the way that I related to American culture and to thinking of myself and to thinking of what was, you know, quote unquote real or realistic.

I was like, well, here's a culture that works just fine. And it's totally different. Like the rules of engagement, the rules of interrelating are totally different. So what's to prevent me from taking those and bringing them back to the U S or just trying to find option C. Right. And so I think that is also something that opened my eyes to just asking what-if questions. Like, well, what if I did this that no one else is doing? What's the worst thing that could happen? What's the downside? Let me try it.

And then test, test, test, test, test. It's Jamie Foxx, Foxhole Radio. We're getting deep right now. It's Foxhole Radio, Series 96. If you don't know, you better know. Tim Ferriss right now. Go to his podcast right now. He is the number one podcast in the world.

70 billion downloads. 70 billion. We're closing. I'm working on billion. 70 million. But you know what I'm saying. We on our way there. He is considered the Oprah Winfrey of audio podcast.

We're going to get to that. We're going to get to that. Let me to get to that let me keep on with this you said something about the political incorrectness you said something about what are we going through right now in the world because there i i do feel that there's a fine line me as a comedian i've always you know i've been put on this earth for that i've been put on this earth to look at what is funny no matter what, whether it's Christian, whether it's Muslim, whether it's fat, skinny, tall, short, that is my license. But right now in America, we're going through something that is incredibly weird, especially when I talked to Jay

Leno. I talked to Rock, Chris Rock, who had a very, very tough time landing at the Oscars, which was tough. I thought it was the toughest job in the world for him to have to do because we want to respect Jada Pinkett Smith in that sense. But at the same time, we have to do our jokes because it put him in this weird thing.

What do you think we should do? Since you're the open wind, we're coming to you right now. Tim, put us in the right, in the right light. Like what do we need to be? I think we should worry about helping people and not placating people. Wow. Wow. Uh, I think, I think we should concern ourselves with speaking truth and not glad handing. Wow. And that's easier said than done, of course. But I really feel, and I've said this to friends of mine in close conversation where I live in Silicon Valley before, that I feel like comedians are the only people right now who

can speak truth. Right. Right. And it's just like the court jester back in the day. It was like the court jester could speak truth to the king. Anyone else would have their head lopped off. Yeah. And that person had license.

And my feeling is hopefully we can expand that and we need to expand that because I've noticed among some of my most intelligent, most incisive, most influential friends, they've just opted out of the conversation because they're afraid of getting chased by the lynch mob, so to speak, for saying anything that is truth. And that's a dangerous trend. That's a very dangerous trend. And I'll just mention one more thing, which is there's a book that a lot of people read in high school called Fahrenheit 451. And these firemen run around and they burn books. And if you ask anyone who's read the book, but hasn't read it in like 20 years,

what do you remember of, of how that came to be in the book? They'd say, Oh, there's this totalitarian government. The truth is it was the people. It was the people who decided that any dissenting opinions that would offend, uh, specific groups in society ought to be burned. So it was self inflicted. Wow. And I think that's what we're doing right now is we are slowly torching the first amendment and free speech by basically just going on these witch hunts.

Right. And, um, I think, I think it's the most dangerous thing in the U S right now. Yeah. And here's the thing. Here's the thing. And I think what's also dangerous too is, is sometimes the wrong people, sometimes the wrong people bring the message without mentioning any names but sometimes it makes it hard when other people go so far and it ain't funny you know I'm saying

like like like I always say like this yeah we could say whatever we want to say as long as you have it wrapped up in some sort of funny or something that gives us a little caveat of i i care about you yeah i'm gonna talk about you uh i did a joke about uh uh bruce jenner early on but my but the reason that my joke the reason that the joke was there is because in comedy if we are all equal then that means everybody gets equal jokes like i can't do the black joke and then not do the white joke. There was a situation when I had to do, I had to host this,

this, uh, I had to host this award show. And, uh, they went through and they looked at all of our jokes and all the jokes

that weren't for African Americans, they were like, oh, man, that is hilarious. But then the ones that weren't for African Americans,

which was, you know, uh, some of the, the white people who were talking, they had a hard time with it. And I was like, listen, which was, you know, some of the white people who were talking, they had a hard time with it. And I was like, listen, I was like, listen, I said, we have to do it all across the board, straight, gay, black, white. We have to give everybody an opportunity to get in. And they were so nervous about me doing it. But when we went out and did them, even the people that we were talking about came up and said, oh man, we loved it because it felt like they were part of the party. And it was sort of like, I said, you got to trust the comedian that yeah, it's going to hurt a little

bit. And I asked this, I'll ask you this question. When is the joke is, when do you laugh at a joke your hardest? When? When it's the most uncomfortable? When it's not about you. Yeah, yeah. Okay, there we go. When you laugh, oh, man, them Japanese do be doing that. Yeah, man, the Mexicans do be doing that. They say black people, hey, man, why you going at us like that?

It's just sort of, I want to take a break. I want to come back to that just to tie that up because I really want to get your take on it, not my take on it, on how we can navigate now through a world where we've gone too politically correct, have we? And then how do we not go too far on the other side without putting something there that makes sense? We're here with Tim Ferriss. It's Fox So Serious Radio. You better tune in right now and get your life right because he's going to come in after this and tell you how to get your life together in four hours.

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That's Tim Ferriss. It's Foxhole Radio Series 96. We are getting nourished right now. We're not just having a radio show. We're getting nourished with our minds. We were just talking before we went to break. We were talking about political correctness. Has it become too much? And you were to break we were talking about political correctness has it become too much and you were saying you were talking about daniel tosh and

i was because i think that he is if you if you look at his headshot like this this is a guy who you wouldn't expect to step out and bring some of the comedy that he does and i recall at one point before he was i think it was before tosh uh point oh but when he was doing stand-up and what i appreciated was how uncomfortable he made everyone yeah yeah and i just remember this one bit and there will be a point to this but you know he he opened it up with i wonder if people taste like their ethnic cuisine and i'm gonna massacre the bit and he's like no that's hilarious but he's like and like like black people black people like do they taste like fried chicken and then everyone's like oh i don't know if i should laugh i don't know if they're laughing

he's like no no i'll get you don't worry and he's like chinese people kung pao chicken and then everybody starts loosening up and they're laughing laughing laughing it's audience probably 50 white and then he's like and white people he's like no we don't need white people and so they didn't get the out they didn't get the out. They didn't get the out. Everyone's like, oh my God, was it okay to laugh? Was it not okay to laugh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that, I think it was Mae West who said, those who are offended easily should be offended more often.

Yeah, love that. And I think that in the US right now, we were just talking on break about how the internet, I think it's a great tool, but it's like a knife. It cuts both ways and it can be used for harm or it can be used for good. And and when every genius but every idiot has a voice there are you a genius or an idiot yeah it's the new t-shirt and everyone has a voice uh but i think in that environment what we've seen is that you could take you can sacrifice unfortunately some

people who could really contribute to society if they if they slip up and say one stupid thing which we all say But they'll get lynched not by their peers necessarily But people who aren't in a position and shouldn't be in a position to judge them and so what I would say is that we have A term social justice warrior that's used for people who are just on the internet constantly saying you can't say that you know like here's We're talking about college campuses and talking about whales. They're like, you're whale shaming. I'm doing a college thing and I said something about whales. You're whale shaming.

We couldn't do a joke on one of the things about sharks because some singer said she's doing this shark campaign to save the sharks and they shut us down. We couldn't tell shark jokes.

That's unbelievable. To me, it— What do we do? Because I'm going to let you talk. What I think that one of the ways we could stem this tide is because I feel like there are a lot of people who can contribute to society, and we're all flawed human beings. We're all going to make mistakes. We're all going to say stupid things. That shouldn't remove your ability to contribute to society.

Right. Even if you even if let's just say you're not. Let's say somebody does say something racist or sexist or fill in the blank. If they're doing incredibly valuable work like that, they shouldn't have to resign from their job necessarily for that. Now, I mean, of course, it's a question of degree. But what I would say is one of the ways I think we need to stem the tide is by using language, because that's the weapon that's being used to to sort of mute freedom of speech. In other words, if someone says fill in the blank ist, they can they can shut you down. They can end your comedy show. Well, right now we don't have a term to apply to those people who cry wolf too often and do unmitigated damage. So what if

instead of social justice warrior, which sounds actually net positive, there was a term, the one that I thought of was bigoteer. So bigoteer is someone who tries to be a profiteer by calling other people bigots. And all of a sudden those people will have a consequence for crying wolf and falsely accusing people loosely so I think that that language is one of the key pieces in this arsenal because the problem itself is a problem of language so so I'm curious to where where it'll go and also I would just implore people comedians and other people who are in a position where perhaps they're say self-employed so they don't have or they

don't perceive as many risks as someone Who's in like a tight corporate structure speak your mind, right? and Right and really recognize that the downside In most cases is being judged by people you shouldn't care about impressing in the first place, right? Right, right, right So because there are people out there who just like me are people out there who just want to do that. I mean, sometimes people tell me about what Foxy,

what they say about Justin. I don't really get into it, but he's racist. Nobody dates white girls. Then there's the Trayvon, but he's gay. And I said, man, you can't keep up with all of these things. And then if you say one thing, I've always been this. Even in the toughest situations where there's been situations of where either something's been said about black

folks or someone's been saying about people that i that i care about i've always been leery of someone saying something and you taking everything away from them i remember remember it was, I don't know if it was Don Imus. I don't remember who it was, but I believe myself and Howard Stern were on the same page. We were on the same page. First of all, huge Howard Stern fan, like huge fan of his.

Howard Stern has made his living his whole life. I mean, you know, Don Rickles 2.0, if you would. And we've said some of the wildest shit on our show and on his show, but I never thought that someone should be shut completely down. If we say something, we had to own up to Miley Cyrus. We did something that was, that she was 16. I didn't know who she was at the time. We did jokes that was, you know, we did that type of jokes. You know, we were considered

the Black Howard Stern. And once my daughter came to, Jay, why would you do that daddy to Hannah Montana? And I was like, who is Hannah Montana? And we didn't know, but we did make a mistake. But what we did was

we put ourselves on punishment. We went down for however many weeks. And then we came back. We made our apologies because, you know, it was. We offended people at that time. But what we asked was don't let us close shop. Don't let us put away our comedy swords because that's what we're here to do.

And the interesting thing about jokes is if half the room goes, Ooh, and half the room laughs, that's usually a successful, a successful outing with jokes. Definitely. And I, and I think that for those people interested,

you know, one of the biggest assets and resources for me over the last decade or so has been Stoke philosophy. And so Marcus Aurelius and Seneca, it's very old, but it's actually surprisingly easy to read. And the objective of Stoke philosophy is to give you basically an operating system for making better decisions in life without being reactive. And I think that we, we suffer from an illusion in the U S which is that, uh, comfort will bring happiness. And so we want to close our sphere

of comfort, if that makes sense. Whereas we should want to expand our sphere of comfort by exposing ourselves to things that are uncomfortable by exposing ourselves to opinions. We dislike exposing ourselves to, I mentioned I was fasting for the last few days, exposing myself to hunger so that I don't fear being hungry so that if I'm in an airport and I'm like Oh, I haven't eaten in six hours. I should really have a Big Mac. No, you don't need to eat You can wow you can go as long as you need to without eating and developing a resilience and a strength in there and I think that if It's very important and you see this in for instance where I live Silicon Valley a lot because I've been involved with tech for a long

time, but you have to make mistakes and you have to make frequent mistakes in order to learn and innovate Wow and Languages the the the underlying foundation of all of that So like you said if someone makes a mistake and you close up shop that is the fastest way to end learning innovation pushing the envelope and healing a lot of wounds i mean because you you take these issues and you just shove them under the surface you don't get rid of them right by muting someone right right exactly right because of someone because i would always say like you're you're you're you're taking someone out of the equation who really can help you like there are really racist people

there are really bigoted people out there but the comedian and and folks who are just you know like like like there was a situation like uh like uh and i'll talk about this because it's already out there and she's a good friend of mine uh but it was amy pascal and uh amy Pascal, and there was this internet email thing. And people just went berserk. Oh, my God. She's burning crosses. She got a white sheet in the back of a Mercedes. And I'm like, bro, look at the amount of movies that she's done that are African-American. And Elijah's here.

He could tell you. She was the only one doing African-American film. You know, now you take something that was out of context. If they caught me in my house talking about other races. Oh, man, I wouldn't it came to doing African American movies. Now she's not there. Yeah. So now who you got? You know, so I was like, be careful on slinging that type of rhetoric around too much because a lot of

people that are out there are going to, like I said, you're going to make a mistake every once in a while. But like I said, you shouldn't like, uh, you know, throw them overboard.

It's Fox or radio series. 96 96 we're here with tim ferris he's giving us the tools when i tell you that oprah winfrey is now a white man and he's on the internet his name is tim ferris 70 trillion downloads on his podcast and i'm gonna read what it says so so people don't be like oh jamie huggins was saying and op Oprah Winfrey's dating a white man. No, what I'm saying is how Tim Ferriss became the Oprah of audio. How did you get into this? How did you? Let's get into it now.

Tech world. You said a tech world. How does one get into that? So I moved to the Bay Area. So I moved to the San Francisco area after college and just in time for everything to implode so i moved there at 99 i was the second to lowest paid aside from the secretary at the startup company they made a mistake they sent out an excel spreadsheet and one of the tabs was everybody's compensation that was a big mistake made everybody upset but in any case uh that

company imploded and i found myself on the west Coast and I was surrounded by tech. So I was in the middle of the switchboard. And so I decided to become involved because I'd builtized about going to Stanford business school. There's a whole host of reasons, but I'd always felt like I was kind of intended to go to Stanford because it was a beautiful campus. The palm trees didn't go. And I was like, I need to go there for business school. And I applied twice. I went through the process and I didn't go because it was too theoretical. And what I ended up deciding was, okay, I'm going to take the money that I would have had to pay for business school and I'm gonna put it into investing in startups and that's gonna be my MBA So I'm gonna over two years the same space of time

I'm gonna invest small checks in these startups and my assumption is I'm gonna lose all the money So I shouldn't use money that I can't afford to lose. So Over that period of time. I was looking at it as education. So it's like, what can I invest in where I will learn a lot? Right. What kind of, what kind of startup can I invest in where I'll have the opportunity to interact with people who will average me up? Right. One piece of advice I was given when I was in my teens that I found probably the most useful of any was you're the average of the five people you associate with most. So I was like, all right, how can I use these small bets to associate with

higher and higher caliber of person? And I did that over the span of two years and I didn't lose all the money. A couple of them worked. And, uh, so I've ended up investing in Twitter, Facebook, Uber, and many others. So that was the beginning of my relationship in tech and helping some of these, uh, startup founders in very particular ways But the audio came about in the podcast because I was burned out on books really yeah I was totally burned out on books. I have this terrible habit of writing long books, so They're 400 to 700 pages long, and I was so my first book was 420 pages as a four-hour workweek that came out 2007 nobody expected it to do anything it had an initial print run of 12,000 copies and

It hit the New York Times list largely thank thanks to early adoption by tech folks and it stayed there for four more than four years unbroken and Nobody expected that to happen. So I remember my editor called me at the time, Heather, and I remember I got the call and she goes, I was exhausted because I was doing some radio junket, some satellite radio.

You know these things. You sit there with a pitcher of coffee and you do 30 radio interviews. And I just finished and I was so exhausted. And she called and she goes, hey there, Mr. New York Times bestselling author. And I was like, what? And she goes, you hit the hit the list and i was like heather don't fuck with me not right now please right i can't do it she's like no you hit the list and it was just so unexpected and so

surreal how'd you feel man i i i leaned back against the wall i was in a room by myself because everybody had left it was like 6 p.m on the east coast and just kind of slid down the wall and just like sat there and i didn't know what to think i mean kid with the collapsed lung yeah yeah i was uh a young kid who who whose body temperature gets heated up and whose brain shuts down brain shuts down and all of a sudden you got a best seller yeah it was uh i was literally blank like i just i couldn't even conceive of it being real. It's kind of like waking up from a dream and you're like, Oh no,

no, it was just a dream. So it took me a long time to even begin to conceive of how that, yeah, process how that would affect my life. But it opened the door to writing more. So I'd never planned on being a writer. In fact, I decided after college,

I didn't want to write because I found it so painful. And so I think like, like many people, maybe that, you know, maybe that you know, certainly people I know, they create things because they're scratching their own itch. They have to create it

or it'll drive them crazy. And so writing was like that for me. But the audio came about because I did three books and I just found myself burned out. I felt like I'd been using the same part of my brain. Talk about the three books.

So we got a four hour work week, which was really a collection of experiments. For our listeners right now, just listen to Fox on Radio, Sirius 96. Get into what four hour work week is. So the four hour work week is a book that focuses on my studies of different entrepreneurs

and case studies of my own, different experiments, looking at how you can 10X your hourly output. And once you control that currency known as time, you can do all sorts of interesting things like travel so talks about Low-cost travel it talks about geo arbitrage where you might say outsource things to a different country and very interesting ways to design ideal lifestyles so that was the first book and that's You know it's been out for almost 10 years now, and it's still usually top 200 on Amazon

the Next book for our body came back to my roots, the wrestling roots basically. And it looked at physical performance. So I did experiments in, uh, every possible way, whether it was maximal strength, uh, sprinting, NFL combine training, holding my breath with David Blaine, sleep, sex, you name it. Sleep, sex, go back to that part. So sleep, uh, I studied people, friends of mine who'd been able to get by for years on two to two and a half hours of sleep A day by splitting their sleep up into something called polyphasic sleep including Matt Mullen wags Ricardo knows of Matt Mullen wake who runs a billion dollar company and That was a sex we looked at a bunch of different aspects

So for the men we let's take a few minutes on that Not that I'm really concerned about I just want to get your take on things right now So we talked about We talked about things related to sort of male sexual health and performance such as improving testosterone right improving sperm count And so on and then there were at least two chapters But two chapters that probably got well They did get a lot of attention. We're on They were on female. We are all the guys picked up like how I need to do it

No, no two chapters on everything related to female orgasm Wow And what was funny about that chapter is that the I didn't realize it was right in the middle of the book They're all these vagina diagrams right and so the And so the book got yanked out of Costco because there are all these moms who are like, oh, look at this. Open it up and it would just flip right open to all these vaginas and their kids would just be like, what are these, mommy? And they're like, oh. Oh, they're butterflies. Yeah, it was just chaos.

So the book got yanked out of Costco. Oh, man. That is it. Now, our listeners are all over playing, but what about a female orgasm? What's in this? What's the key? Yeah, what's the key?

Well, the key is to start with. So about 50% of women in the U.S., last I checked, are inorgasmic. They've not experienced an orgasm. And that can have a lot of reasons uh can be have a lot of explanations whether it's religious upbringing being the oldest sister is very common as a pattern uh and uh there are others certainly but what's very helpful and people can look into this is looking at something called orgasmic meditation which is basically manual stimulation of the clitoris without any sex, meaning no penetration. So you separate the sexual act from the orgasm

and you effectively are practicing mindfulness and an attention to the sensation of being pleasured and stimulated for the woman. So there's no performance anxiety. In other words, you just say, we're going to do this for 15 minutes and you don't have to do anything. You just like focus on your breath and feeling, and there's no sex. You don't have to do anything for me. You don't have to perform. And by removing all of those pressures and all those expectations with practice, and sometimes it's the first session, these women have never experienced orgasms experience orgasms and then there's the technical piece right so if you look

if we want to get into it so if you're looking set up directly at the clitoris about one o'clock on that clitoris top upper right quadrant is where most women will be most sensitive and uh and light contact though which means like four kind of pages of paper deep. That's it. I think a lot of guys go after like they're starting a lawnmower. That's not super effective. Rubber knuckle. Yeah, rubber knuckle.

What are you trying to do? Oh, my God. Yeah, exactly. So light. So it was a black girl. So those are some of the things that are in that chapter. That is amazing. That is amazing that is amazing

and you know what to be honest that can help a lot of relationships oh it has I know that it's saved it's directly saved marriages

wow that's amazing and I got a letter from someone Hollywood director pretty well known guy who was able to finally get pregnant with well he didn't get pregnant

but his wife got pregnant wow with a few of the things from the 4 hourHour Body. Very simple stuff. Man, it's Foxhole Radio. Let Tim Ferriss get you pregnant. It's Sirius 96.

We're going to take a break. We're coming right back. One o'clock, ladies. We out. Yes. Amp Radio, this is Jamie Foxx. We're back with Tim Ferriss. That's seven dust.

Seven dust. Seven Dust. Now, all you guys out there listening right now, trying to figure this out, I'm with Tim Ferriss. He is the considered now the Oprah of audio podcasts. He can get your life right. And what's amazing, listening to that song right now, which is one of his top five songs, tell them who that is. Well, that is Splinter by Seven Dust.

I actually used that for a book trailer that I did for The 4-Hour Body. Wow. And people hear that, and they might not realize the characteristics of the lead singer. He is a black dude with long dreads from Atlanta. See?

Don't just homogenize. I mean, generalize. And their acoustic double-wide album is incredible. Wow. Fantastic. Amazing. We're going to get that. We're going to get that.

Listen, we talked about the books. We talked about 4-Hour Workday, 4-Hour Body. Talk about this, though. And I've always said this with Ricardo. You know, I'm late to the party when it comes to podcasts, when it comes to internet, when it comes to social media, I struggle with the whole idea of social media because it goes against sort of

against a little bit of what I do. You know, being an artist, I didn't know. It's weird to see the world change. It's weird to see the world change where, you know, I worked so much on, on well there's mystique

and then my daughter the oldest daughter be like dad you get you can stay you can stay hidden if you want to they'll forget about you that's what you mean you know you drop the album then you wait a couple of years and she's dead you better drop an album every six months or they forget about you so ricardo you know young finger on the pulse of everything huge fan of yours comes to me and says man you have to meet this guy he'll change your life you did change my life but let me ask you this how did you master this what is the ingredient or what is or is it just a blessing? What is this? How do you become 70 million downloads?

That means that is interaction. That's not somebody saying these people are following me. This is going down. Yeah, that's usually two and a half hour interviews too. It's not like a 30 second video clip. That's amazing. It's a commitment. I think there are a few ingredients and I'm sure there was a lot of luck and good timing involved certainly, but there, there are a few things that I very deliberately keep in mind that I think have been helpful.

The first is, and you kind of alluded to this earlier where you know, you got a really strong joke when half the room laughs and half doesn't. Okay. So I never write, let's just say, so my blog has, let's just say, so my blog has, let's just call it two and a half, 3 million readers, right? Which at one point was around the same subscriber base as the wall street journal, I think. But regardless, uh, and I write long pieces. They're not short. Right. And, uh, when I write a piece and this is true of the audio too, I never write a piece that I hope all two and a half or 3 million people will like. I try to write a post that 10% will love. And then I assume every few months I will hit everybody. Right. So it's like, by the time I rotate through six or 10 articles, each person will get one that they're absolutely

diehard, uh, in love with, and they will share that. And on, on another level, when I write, I try to produce evergreen content or when I'm recording audios. So when we were doing our recording, which was three feet from where we're sitting on the couch, I was trying to ask questions that would provoke stories and answers and lessons learned that people could use 10 years from now. Right. So it's not just a three minute TV interview, nothing wrong with that, but asking you about the latest celebrity news, which is going to be irrelevant in six months. It was trying to search for the timeless and also trying to focus on really getting 10% to love something, even if the other 90% hate it, that's okay. And I remember at some point, I don't recall who said it, but there was a quote

I read that had a huge impact on me, which was there's no sure path to success, but the sure path to failure is trying to please everyone. Wow. Elijah Ashley, did you just hear that? And I'm talking to Elijah and Ashley who are incredible writers themselves as far as the movie. And they just sold some, some things. So they're getting this nourishment as well. And there are also a few books that have had a very, very helpful impact on my thinking about this. One was very short read. It's called the 22 immutable laws of marketing. And what I like about it, get the old version, not the for the internet version, like the old version where they're looking at like imported beer and airlines. That's, that's the one that I like. And it, it just talks about, you know, in other, or I should say in simple terms, how to create new categories as opposed to trying to dominate an existing category.

Wow. Right. So it's easier and more effective to try to create a new category, which I often do through language. Right. So for instance, with the four hour work week, I wrote the book that I couldn't find. It was basically the book that I wanted to find. And, uh, the options at the time I went to the bookstore, I was searching for meaning. I had all these challenges with, uh, business, with entrepreneurship and so on. And I could either choose a book that was, uh, how to give up money and why it's not important, how to reuse your

toothpaste 17 times or how to build a fortune 500 company with Jack Welch. And I wanted something in between. So, so I built that or I wrote that and ended up using this term that may have existed before, but I hadn't heard it called lifestyle design. So lifestyle design, I did not trademark. I did not make any attempt to protect because I wanted to become part of the common vocabulary. I want to become part of the vernacular. I want to become part of the vernacular, which it has. So now that's used by hundreds and thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of people. Lifestyle design. And it's a category. Now, since I was first, that first mover advantage, like I am kind of forever in a sense, the founding father of that category.

And the, when I looked at podcasting, I asked myself two things. I asked myself, first and foremost, how can I do something that is different from what is currently out there? And let's make a list of all the attributes. Like let's call the 10, 20 people who are say organizers of events related to these things. What are their rules? And they lay it out. So like, okay, it needs to be this. You need to have musical segues.

You need to have, uh, it needs to be 20 minutes or less or whatever they might be, whatever the rules are. And I would look at the most common rules and then I would try the opposite. And, and what I realized was that, uh,

if you focus also on highly tactical, actionable bits of information, not abstract, then it's a rarity right now, for whatever reason, uh, things tend to get very, very abstract. So if I lay out, let's say my con, my common rapid fire questions are designed very specifically to be actionable and therefore shareable. And I'll tell you what I mean by that. So if I ask a person, what is the book you've gifted the most to other people? What is the first 90 minutes of your morning look like? What is the purchase for a hundred dollars or less that has most impacted your life in the last six months? And I ask these questions. There are two aspects of it that make it very, very viral and very valuable. Well, number one is that people can emulate and test all of those

things the next day. Secondly, they won't just share the information. They will try those things and then share the results that they get from that on social media or elsewhere. And as, as a consequence of that, if I stopped writing completely, or if I stopped doing the podcast completely, my back catalog gets listened to so much that there would basically be no drop off. So I could take the three years off and I wouldn't actually fear being forgotten. Uh, and there are counter examples. So this is the other thing I always look for. I look for counter examples of people who aren't doing what everyone else is doing. Like, uh, this is the first one that comes to mind, but like Daniel Day Lewis, as far as I know, that comes to mind, but Daniel Day-Lewis. Yeah.

As far as I know, that guy's just, he's gone. He's a phantom unless he comes out, and then you're like, oh, shit, he won another Oscar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's sort of in between sometimes, because I do look at some people that use it a lot, and sometimes it may exhaust them a little. But I also look at the people who do stay refreshed.

And I don't know this either, but I know Adele came out and just smashed, you know, and sold however many billions of records, while Beyonce, it is a you know it's it's an onslaught you know which is great as well uh but it's you know i mean but you also end up in a kind of chicken or the egg conundrum uh i think with a lot of these celebrities because one can wonder did they sell so many records because they had a big social following or did they get so many people as a social following because they weren't on social media and focused on their art first.

Right. So, so I, I am of the opinion and this is speaking as a tech investor, Pete, like I have, you know, I have a dog in this fight.

Like I have a lot to gain by people using social media. I think more artists are distracted from their most important work than are helped from for their important work by social media. Say that again, Tim. Let him know, Tim. Speak to the artist, Tim. Right now, it's Fox already. It's Sirius 96. I want people to really understand what you're saying. Because I overheard an artist who didn't have to say this.

That it was more about the machine than maybe the art. And my thing was, I think you're great at both. But if you forget about the art, that machine will fall on top of you. Oh, the machine will churn you out. Am I right? Absolutely. Talk to them, Tim. Please.

They need this right now. Well, I think if I look at the writers that I most aspire to be like or emulate, if I look at the artists I most respect, they're very good at shutting out distractions for a period of time and doing deep work right and you need a certain degree of isolation I think yeah in in many hour blocks of time to connect those uncommon dots or to create new dots altogether and those who are distracted by social media are increasingly unable to create the conditions for their best work. And it's not hard to understand why. Because, for instance, there's a book that I haven't seen, but a friend told me about another writer.

And I think it's called Working on My Novel is the name of the book. But it's a collection of tweets and Facebook posts from people who should have been working on their novel. All these writers just said they're on writing deadline but writers will do anything to avoid writing. So you give them something easy to do like post on Twitter, take pictures of their food and put it on Instagram. They're not going to write.

Oh Lord. First of all, let me say this. I know a lot of entertainers, and I know we're actually simulcasting on your podcast as well, and I want to let people know on your podcast that I'm doing a little bit of this craziness because we are doing my radio show, so I don't want them to listen to me. Why is he screaming and acting so crazy? But when it comes to social media, i've watched a lot of artists die yeah because they're so connected to this that they'll read their comments and then they'll just they'll they

won't be able to sort of dig out and they begin to try to please everyone which goes back to what you said that you can't please them. Well, exactly. And, and furthermore, I would say artistic death is creativity by consensus. And if you're looking at your comments to determine how to steer your creative ship, you're dead before you even get out of the game. And that's, that's my opinion. I think that if you look at anything that is truly groundbreaking, it went against the tide. It never would have been voted for. Wow. If that, if you look at anything that is truly groundbreaking, it went against the tide. It never would have been voted for. Wow.

If you follow my, like, and I mean, I don't know why this first thing comes to mind, but like Macklemore and like, you know, thrift store like that. Yeah. If you had put that into the machine, that wouldn't have gotten, wouldn't never have gotten past square one. Wow. And some of the writing that you see that's really innovative. Uh, I've just read this book called how to get filthy rich and rising Asia, which is written by a really smart guy in Pakistan, actually. And it's written in, uh, effectively first person. So it says you wake up with the side of your head on the mud in your mother's thatched hut. And it's all you, you, you, it's just so inventive. And if he had tried that as his first book going through

traditional process, never would have worked. I don't think he never would have seen the light of day. So, so my thinking at least, and if I look at my best work and we've all had, well, I shouldn't say we, I'll speak for myself. I've had better work and I've certainly had weaker work. And if I look at when those things come to pass, the best work is coming from periods of, uh, deep work where I purposefully block out exterior distractions and inputs and opinions. Right. Right. Let me ask you this. When I'm on the street and people come up to me, they talk about you in a in a almost. Not in a sense of an Oprah Winfrey way, but almost there's almost a. Not to get in trouble, but you're leading like you're your people wake up and I need this.

Tim Ferriss, I need that. When meeting when I met Oprah Winfrey, there was an incredible light. Just like when I see you is an incredible light coming from. But also, too. She felt there was an incredible responsibility because there would be times where she would be exhausted from literally carrying the 70 million downloads, you know, in a metaphorical for her. Do you ever feel that way? Do you ever feel like, whoa, I didn't know that this was going to happen. So I need two parts of this. I need one, how you became that.

What's the ingredient? And then two, now that you're here do you feel a certain different responsibility so part one how it happened would be i think first thinking of content in the way that i described so trying to hit 10 of the people i can reach and have them love something as opposed to as opposed to uh trying to please everyone all the time and Then I would say the evergreen focus the piece that I didn't discuss yet that I think is important is Everyone goes after the traffic leaders what I mean that by that is that it could apply to magazines could buy TV

They'd say who has the greatest number of viewers et cetera. How do I get to those influencers? And that's the most crowded channel. And it's going to be the most difficult because those are the people who are in the limelight at the peak. They're the hardest to contact. What I did in the very beginning, which I think led to the tipping point for the four hour work week in part is that I decided to go after the thought leaders that the traffic leaders paid attention to. So if you look at the people who, for instance, when this is true on, this could be true on YouTube, it could be true on at the time, you know, this was 19, I'm sorry, 2007. So blogs, I was looking at blog roles and so on. I identified the thought leaders, people who were very, very

smart, but weren't, they weren't a compulsive self promoters and they didn't care about a large audience But their audience was comprised of these people who had millions and tens of millions of readers so I would do things with them Wow and And those and the domino effect led to over time a very very large broadcast capability and very large following the, um, in terms of the responsibility, uh, I absolutely feel that, you know, with great audience comes great leverage, uh, and a great influence to, to a great degree and great responsibility. Right.

And for that reason, for instance, in the four hour body, there was a chapter on breath holding, which was done with David Blaine, I mentioned. And I took it out of the book because even though I had all these warnings, the audience was large enough that there were people who weren't paying attention to the warnings.

And if you try to do breath holding in water, you can kill yourself with a shallow water black belt. And so I wasn't prepared at that time to accept except that Breaking a few eggs to make the omelet. I wasn't prepared to have Metaphorical blood on my hands right right and I decided that the the benefits of having it in the world were not greater than the risks and liabilities, so I took it out and I do have to be careful in a sense because if I say something in a really offhand way, people can take it very literally.

And that's what I was going to ask you now. Now that I mean, man, look, my life changed in the fact of like people come up to me. It will blow your mind. He'll tell you it will blow your mind of people that come and say it's something you've been blessed by him how was he were you moved did you touch the hem of his garment i mean it's really on some like incredible admiration so with this incredible, uh, minefield of every single thing that you say, and then the way the nature of the beast of America of humans, we want to build them up. We say one thing and we want to rip the cords out of his podcast. How does that, how does that work now? Or do you have an, do you have the ability to

go somewhere, do whatever you feel like and no one, you know, bothers you and you know? Well, I think there are a few things that I try to consider to keep myself sane and also keep my head from getting too big. The first is I always assume I'm 14 minutes into my 15 minutes of fame. I just always try to assume that. Could you tell that to some of these other people? I could just name a few right now, walking around with bodyguards. I just assume it's never gonna last forever. Of course it's not. So it's, there's an expiration date on it. And, uh, that's helpful. I think number one, well, it's very helpful for savoring the experience and not constantly looking forward to bigger and bigger plans. Although that's a component, I think of

good strategy. The, the second is I will very deliberately force myself and I will schedule this in advance to take time off the grid. So for instance, you know, I'm going to take this July, I'm basically orchestrating, putting systems in place right now, recording things in advance that I can go off the grid for four weeks. I'm gone. And I did that before in Indonesia, no calendar, no phone, no internet, no email for four weeks. And it's like taking a, it's like taking a six to 12 month vacation when you come back, you know, you're just like, oh my God, I didn't realize like every notification, every email, every ping, every noise, it's just like having Chinese water torture all day.

And then you turn it off and you're like, I didn't even realize I was going through Chinese water torture. It's an incredible relief. And it helps you with that deep work I was talking about. Helps me at least. So, so yes, I do very deliberately engineer my life in such a way that

I can take time outside of the machine because I'm not good at juggling all the pieces when I'm surrounded with that noise. I need time out. It's Tim Ferriss. This is simultaneously on his podcast and

Foxhole Radio Series 96. We're going to take a break. And as you've noticed, we are getting nourished. We're getting fed. We're going to come back and wrap up with Tim, whatever he wants to give us to let us know how to move forward, how to get your life together, man. And, yes, I have touched the hem of his garment.

We back in a moment. That was an Argentinian track. What was the name of that? That was Federico Aubele track Esta Noche. Esta Noche. That's amazing. He is from Buenos Aires. Buenos Aires.

Now, you've been to these places. I have. I got, when I did my walkabout to try to figure out my life in 2004, I got to Panama and a friend of mine said, you should go to Argentina because you can live like a king for pennies on the dollar.

Really? And the most beautiful women, most delicious steak and wine on the planet. And I was like, all right, I'll check it out. Wow,

I must go. Let's book the trip. It was supposed to be a four week trip and I was there for nine months. Really? I was. Wait a minute,

hold on, wait a minute. Come on, Tim now. You went there for a week and you ended up nine months. What was it? Was it love? What was going on? I was. Wait a minute. Hold on. Wait a minute. Come on, Tim. You went there for a week and you ended up nine months. What was it? Was it love? What was going on?

I got bitten by the bug that was tango. And I had deliberately beforehand said I was not going to practice tango because the only version of tango I'd seen was like Al Pacino and Son of a Woman or Arnold Schwarzenegger and True Lies. I was like, I don't want to do that. That's not for me. And ended up just becoming obsessed with it. And I went to the world championship six months later.

Are you serious? I was a semifinalist. What is going on, Tim? Break that down to us now. We were talking about podcasts, but all of a sudden you're the tango champion in Argentina. The white man goes to Argentina and shuts it down. You go from Japan, you get a chance to take a bath with grandma first you move up the bath food chain then you step into argentine a little wine a little steak and all of a sudden all of a sudden i'm dancing six to eight hours a day yeah it was uh it was an amazing experience and i had a fantastic dance partner but the it's all related to what we've

been talking about so the same way that i've looked at the testing of assumptions, the asking questions, the things that I learned in Japan, just like some of the things your grandmother armed you with that all added up later, this ability to test assumptions. I remember in Argentina, I got, became infatuated with tango and, uh, I started asking myself, what are the rules that everyone says I should do what if I did the opposite so they say you should learn how to lead I said what if I learned the female part first that's a weird step so I learned the follow first from world-class female teacher then I looked at competition footage and what people were teaching and I said all right what's actually

winning the championships and what are they teaching and where are the gaps what are the things that are winning championships like long steps certain types of pivots that aren't being taught. If I learn those, I'll have an unfair advantage. So let me find the teachers who specialize in those. So Tim, this is what I got to ask. Where does that come from? Where does that type of thinking, I think for, for listeners who are listening on both your podcast and on my radio show, where does that, is that a blessed thing? Did you learn how to do that? I need two parts of this.

One, is that a blessing? And two, what is a podcast? I think it's both something I'm, it is a blessing in the sense that I've always liked asking questions. Are you a spiritual person? Is there any? I would consider myself, I mean, I asking questions. Are you a spiritual person? Is there any, I would consider myself. I mean, I grapple with that word a little bit.

I I'm not religious. I wouldn't consider myself religious, but I've had a lot of experiences in the last few years. It would lead me to believe there are some, there's something out there. There's something out there. What do you think it is that we have at all? Boy,

do you think we get to heaven and it's just like a gang of, of, of bathtubs and we can bathe in? And it's Argentine women. Because I used to think that heaven was going to be like just my best looking girl just in everything I see. Like everything I saw was the epitome of what I thought beauty was. And then my favorite food was the Sonic Burger. So I get to heaven. It And then my favorite food, which is Sonic Burger. So I get to heaven.

It's just Sonic Burger. Hot women and Sonic Burger. Just the woman I dig. And you'd be surprised. You know, it's just like I'm just up there eating Sonic Burger. I've got my wings, got ketchup on and all kinds of crazy things. But for a person who says I'm not necessarily spiritual, I get that. But there's a lot of things that one would say in looking at you is spiritual.

When you see the following and what you do to a person's psyche, what you do to a person's heart and mind is a spiritual thing. So what do you think is out there? Without getting too deep. We don't have to get too deep. Yeah, we could get into crazy town pretty quickly. But I've had some very profound experiences. You know what, I'll just go out there. So I've had some very unusual experiences,

primarily related to use of psychedelics. Wow. That in group environments, proper supervision, and this is part of the reason I'm actually helping to finance studies at Johns Hopkins and most likely UCSF and a couple of research institutions looking at medical applications of these things that have led me to believe that putting, putting death aside and what happens after death, if anything, like maybe it's lights out and we're warm food or maybe there's more, but I think right now there are potentially, well, there are a few things we could be living

in a virtual reality. I think there's a, there's a, there's a few things. We could be living in a virtual reality. I think there's a non-trivial chance, possibility that that's the case. And second is that maybe that's not a bad thing. And third, I think there are sort of parallel existences. And you might call them universes. The bizarro of it all. Exactly, exactly. So I do think that it's possible.

And this will probably be explained by the scientific method or through experiments at some point. But right now I can't explain a lot of what I've seen and experienced firsthand with some of these plant medicines. So that has called into question. I love how he calls it plant medicine. Plant medicine. It's called. Elijah has just experienced some plant medicine as he's walked in. You can tell the way he's chewing that gum. There was some plant medicines going on on the 101. And pretty soon he'll disappear in a few minutes and experience some more plant medicines and come back with a big smile on his face and the answers to it all. And so, so, but the, the, so I've always asked questions, but the writing and the meeting of mentors like Buxton has taught me how to ask better questions. And so I am constantly

in search of better questions because people think they need the answers. They don't need the answers. You need the right questions. And the podcast for me, so the, the Tim Ferriss show was an opportunity to take a break from writing and to get better at asking questions. Because if you get, if you think about, if you think about what thinking is, it's a little meta, but thinking, if you, if you reflect on your internal dialogue is asking and answering questions in your own head. So if you get better at asking other people questions, you get better at asking yourself questions And that improves everything. So the Tim Ferriss show is really an opportunity for me to try to deconstruct world-class performers like yourself, like General Stanley McChrystal, like chess prodigy Josh Waitzkin,

Laird Hamblin, you know, undisputed king of big wave surfing, because I want to try to find the commonalities. What do these people have in common? So at least 80% of them have a daily meditation practice, for instance, just as one example. And what are the differences? So if I find somebody who's a morning person

wakes up at five to write, and then I meet someone who writes from 2 a.m. to 5 a.m., I want to talk about that and why that's different. Right. And it's been an opportunity for me to, hopefully, you know, I have these conversations that are so fun. I mean, with people like yourself and others. And I just thought for years, I'm like, God, it'd be so much fun and useful to share this with my fans. Wow. But there was never a recorder. Wow. And so I started the podcast

and the side gig turned into more than a side gig. Man, when I tell you, it's amazing. So here's the question that everybody's asking now. What does Tim Ferriss do? What does Tim Ferriss do in the morning? What does Tim Ferriss do? What does Tim, what does the guru? See, this is the thing, like, like, like the gurus and the people that, that have this,

I call it the blessing. I call it the, you know, because I'm a spiritual person, you know, like my daughter, you know, she knows the books of the Bible and everything like that. But when you see someone who has that shine, that unexplicable way to be, you're saying something that anyone else could say, but the way you're saying it, the way you're delivering it, and it works. So what do you do how or do you listen to all of these things and sort of enhance your own uh routine what are you doing when you wake up in the morning you wake up and say man i'm tim ferris bad motherfucker sometimes i wake up i just want to pull the sheets over my head and stay in bed i think we all have

those mornings cool but uh generally yes, I do borrow from everybody. And my routine right now is I wake up, I tend to wake up on the late side because I go to bed late. So I wake up, let's just say nine o'clock be on the later side for me. But if I'm on deadline, I'll write until five in the morning. I'll wake up in the afternoon. Right now I'll wake up. I will go upstairs. I will have supplements that are better absorbed on empty stomach. I will then feed my dog, sit down, meditate for 20 minutes. So that's, that's transcendental meditation, but I usually have Puerh tea, which is a Chinese tea, with turmeric and ginger, plus something called MCT oil, which helps your brain quite a bit,

because it gives you something you convert into ketones. Then I do acroyoga practice. So I have... What is that? So acroyoga is kind of like a Cirque du Soleil strength performance, typically with a man and a woman. It's actually very similar to tango,

but it's gymnastic. So I'd be supporting a woman on my feet, or one a man and a woman. It's actually very similar to tango, but it's gymnastic. So I'd be supporting a woman on my feet or one foot and my hands, and they'd be doing cartwheels and forward spins and headstands and shoulder stands and handstands on my hands. It's extremely fun and very good physical training. This is every day?

I do three times a week. So you spin a girl on your feet? Three times a week for an hour and a half at a time. That's what I need to do. I need to go find me a little lightweight babe to just flip her up around. You want to start with what they would call a tiny. That's a little one. Oh, this is amazing.

And a flyer. Right now, for my radio people, Ricardo is showing me what this is. This is amazing. What is it called now? Acro Yoga. So you guys out there listening, go to acroyoga.com. Acrooga. If you just search acroyoga, there's a guy named Jason Niemer who's the co-founder, N-E-M-E-R.

Now what does this do? Does that give you some sort of interaction with female energy? It does quite a few things for me. realized for myself is that in, uh, in a culture such as our own in the U S where we have very puritanical inclinations and baggage, there's not a lot of physical touch. It's very forbidden. And you have to be very, very careful, uh, about physical touch, but we are higher primates. We need physical contact. It is, it is part of our hardwiring DNA and Acra yoga is a fantastic way to have sensual contact that is not necessarily sexual. That makes sense. And that gives you, I think a charge and a therapy that is extremely valuable and hard to produce any other

way. Uh, it's also very playful and I think it's easy for me at least to take life too seriously or take myself too seriously. And when you do an acro yoga, half the time you're making mistakes and falling on each other and flipping over. It's just playful. It's like going back to the playground. And I think as adults, it's very easy to think that serious is meaning being serious, not the radio is the, the tone you have to carry to do big things. Whereas I think that if you're always serious, you will end up being too exhausted to complete the truly important work.

So you have to use play as a way to rest and reset. Now, do I use the girl I'm dating for this? Or do I just go... You can do both. Could I tell my girl, hey, I'm going to be in the room flipping this girl upside down. I just go? You can do both. Could I tell my girl, hey, I gotta I'm gonna be in the room flipping this girl upside down. I'll be out in about an hour. You could try that. Depends on the girlfriend.

But you are in the epicenter right here. The best acro yoga or most of the best acro yoga instructors on the planet are near Venice and Santa Monica. Wow. So you're right in the hotbed for this. Well, I'm gonna get into that. and then what else and what how do you how do you just like you love to tango you love to travel but what make what makes you eager like I can't wait for

that that day what's that that makes you because we got our jobs we do what I think you're you're you're leading the people but what makes you you go, like, I look forward? I look forward to cheat day. So cheat day. The cheat day. And, yeah. She's seen cheat day. What's the cheat day?

So cheat day. So I follow a diet that was in the 4-Hour Body. It's called the slow-carb diet. And it's very manageable. You can go out to eat with people. They won't even notice you're on a restrictive diet. And it really helps with losing fat loss very quickly and building muscle.

So there have been many, many cases. I mean, dozens now. People have lost 100, 150, 200 pounds. But it's also very effective for just staying lean. And the component that I think is, is most important perhaps, or one of the more crucial is the concept of cheat day. And that means you have six days of compliance and then you have one day when you can do whatever you want.

And I generally recommend that's a Saturday and a lot of fans have nicknamed that fatter day and they'll send me, they'll send me photos of all the crap there. I'm going to do this. Oh, ice cream, pizza. I mean a like

like yesterday effectively was my cheat day i was fasting for two days and i was like you know what this doesn't feel right and i was about it sort of the clock struck midnight and i was like okay it's cheat day and i just demolished the entire hotel tray of goodies and it was glorious oh macadamia nuts covered in chocolate, gummy bears, candied ginger. And I didn't feel any guilt because that's the purpose of cheat days. It's like the psychological release valve

so that you make yourself so sick you're like, I cannot wait to get back to my lentils and beans and chicken because I feel terrible. And then you can stick with it and that's how people lose 100, 200 pounds. That's fantastic. Last but not least, for our listeners,

we've talked about so many different things. Long Island. Lung collapse. Heat stroke vulnerable. College. heat stroke vulnerable, college, doing it your own way, just give us a wrap up of,

and I know it's sort of old school, but just it's sort of telling them, taking that person from where they are right now, because a lot of people when they listen in, they got all kinds, people say Fox, man, I was having a bad day. Just give them a little something, man. Just a little something from, you know, to get them going.. People say, Fox, man, I was having a bad day. Just give them a little something, man.

Just a little something from, you know, to get them going. I would say that you do big things by starting with the small things. And the way that I view my life, people ask me, like, what's your five-year plan, ten-year plan? I don't have one. Wow. Because a reliable five, ten-year plan is going to be shooting below your capability. I mean, I think that if you have a really, if you build a really tremendous life for yourself in retrospect, it's going to look very accidental in many respects. And to that end, I try to view my life as two week experiments. And by doing that, I'm going

to try X for two weeks. It's not a permanent decision. You can do anything for two weeks. I'm going to try the slow carb diet for two weeks. I'm going to try fill in the blank, you know, meditating for two weeks. I'm going to try whatever it might be. And you start to develop a confidence in your ability to act and change your reality for you and your family or those you care about. And people will often ask me like, how do I, how do I get confidence? How do I get confidence? Because then I want to go out and do things. I'm like, no, no, you got it reversed. You have to do things small, a little bit bigger, medium sized and large to build that confidence. So like the only cure for lack of confidence is acting. And the way that I find easiest is to treat your life as a series of two week experiments. And, uh, it's, uh, whatever your weaknesses, whatever your excuse might be. And we've all, we've all had excuses. I've had excuses. And it's like, whether it's, I'm too old, I'm too young. I'm not this, I'm not that I'm to this, I'm too that, whatever it is. There is someone who has felt that exact same way, said the same thing to themselves and overcome it. Wow. And you can find those people. So go out and search for them. Wow. And

one of the questions I ask experts all the time is like, if I'm looking at someone who's say an ultra endurance runner and I'll ask them like, who is good at this? Who shouldn't be right? Like, I know that you have the people who are built Like spiders who are sort of blessed with a certain Physique that makes it easier for them to do this But I want to know like where's the 250 pound guy who runs 50 hundred mile races like is there such a person and they'll be Like oh, yeah, there is this one guy. I'll be like okay. I want to study him It's very super here. It's very comic book superhero the way you think. It is. That one, that soul. It is, but it's a toolkit.

And I do write about this toolkit a lot in The 4-Hour Chef, the last book, which is kind of a book on accelerated learning disguised as a cookbook. But it is a toolkit that anyone can use. If you have Google and you speak English, you are in the 1%. I have to tell you. You have at your fingertips everything. And you i have to tell you like you have at your fingertips everything and you just have to ask the right questions wow that's it fox on radio series 96 hey listen everybody out there listening you got two weeks i'll see you in two weeks you

better have it done we are with the one the only i i joke i kid when i first came on and said oprah winfrey was a white man, but let me tell you something, Tim, you're your own man. And for what you did, what you're doing for everybody, for those 70 million downloads and for those people that are in the street that you don't even get a chance to see like

I see, they counting on you, brother, man. Keep doing your thing and keep giving it to us. It's Jamie Foxx with Tim Ferris, Fox Home Radio Series 96. Let me tell you something. When I die, heaven better be off the chain because I'm having a ball right now. Sirius, hey, XM96, we going out of here. Tim Ferriss, I've touched the hem of the garment. Hey, guys, this is Tim again. Just a few more things before you take off. Number one, this is Five Bullet Friday. Do you want to get a short email from me?

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