The Tim Ferriss Show - #253: Morning Routines and Strategies

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Starting point is 00:03:32 but the Tim Ferriss Radio Hour is thematic. So I will look at, say, meditation, or I will look at failure, or I will look at how people handle a specific problem or opportunity and then pull highlights from my conversations with multiple guests. In this particular episode, I went in search of morning routines. Morning routines are very important to me for a lot of reasons. Now, routine may sound boring, but I encourage you to keep in mind the quote of W.H. Auden, which is, quote, routine in an intelligent man, which could be person, of course, is a sign of ambition. Now, why would that be the case? And we're going to come back to why that is the case when I get to my own personal example.

Starting point is 00:04:16 But first, let me give you an idea of who we're going to chat with. In this episode, I talked to Jocko Willink, a legend in the special operations world and former U.S. Navy SEAL commander. He's also a black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu, weighs more than 200 pounds, and can do 60-plus strict pull-ups. Here's Jocko. When I wake up in the morning, I'm thinking about the enemy. What can I do to be ready for that moment, which is coming? Then, best-selling author Seth Godin discusses the importance that diet plays in the structure of his day. Well, if there's a laptop or I'm not unconscious,

Starting point is 00:04:51 I'm at work. I also interview Academy Award winning actor and Grammy Award winning musician Jamie Foxx to ask him about the first 60 minutes of his day. Well, I got a home retirement. He played Kane in Men of Society and I kept wondering how is he always in shape? He says. Well, I got a home retirement. He played Kane in Men of Society, and I kept wondering, how is he always in shape? He says, man, I'm trying to tell you, the pull-up bar is everything. And then Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert, shares how he begins the day and discusses the six dimensions of humor. And there's a process. Once you clear your mind, you have to flood it. You may use different words for this, but I know you do it.

Starting point is 00:05:30 This is the Tim Ferriss Radio Hour on creating your ideal morning routine. So I mentioned earlier that, and this is a quote, of course, that routine in the intelligent person is a sign of ambition. And that is the case because, at least from my perspective, your morning should have a predictable and scripted boot up sequence. What does that mean? That means that you have an algorithm, a set of steps that produce an optimal day for you more often than not. And that is dictated in the first 60 to 90 minutes of your day. So it might be as simple as say, making your bed in the morning, look up McRaven, making your bed for an interesting video and commencement speech all about this. It could include journaling. It could include any number of things. And by putting those particular

Starting point is 00:06:23 steps on autopilot, having that boot up sequence, you conserve your cognitive calories for the things that matter most. Meaning, rather than deciding what you're going to have for breakfast, what type of toothpaste you're going to use, where you're going to sit on the toilet, whatever it might be, you are sparing yourself that cognitive burden so that you can apply your energy where your unique strengths can best be applied later. And I've heard it said before, and I do believe that if you win the morning, you win the day. So in my case, what are some of the non-negotiables of my mornings? And I've written about this in Tools of Titans. I've talked about it elsewhere. It varies very mildly from week to week, from month to month. But right now, some of the non-negotiables are wake up, prime state. This is per Tony Robbins. So I jump in a cold pool. It could be a cold shower. Come out, I do 20 minutes of transcendental meditation,

Starting point is 00:07:18 which could also be, for instance, headspace or some type of guided meditation, say by Tara Brock or Sam Harris. And that is for state awareness. And then I sit down with a cup of tea, very often Puerh plus turmeric and ginger, and I use a journal. Most often that is a five-minute journal. And this is to clarify my intense objectives and also gratitude for the day, which decreases anxiety. I find that to be an important precursor for me personally for optimal output. And that is really it. Literally, that takes about 30, 40 minutes. And if that means, this is very hard for me to bite off and accept because I'm a night owl and love sleeping late. If I need to sleep 30 minutes less to get that boot up sequence

Starting point is 00:08:13 completed, that is a worthwhile investment. And I will very often be able to make that up later with a 30 minute, let's just say caffeine nap later in the day. You can Google caffeine nap if you want to know what that is. So am I completely psychotic and obsessive and so on? Probably, but not because of my interest in morning routines. Almost every guest on this podcast has an interesting approach to the beginning of the day. Whether that is highly, highly structured or completely unstructured, there's usually some thought behind it. Their habits and practices can help set the stage for you. So, without further ado, let's get started. Jocko Willink spent 20 years in the U.S. Navy and commanded SEAL Team's 3-Task Unit Bruiser, the most highly decorated special operations unit in the Iraq war. Upon returning to the U.S., Jocko served as the officer in charge of training for all West Coast SEAL teams, designing and implementing some of the most challenging and realistic,

Starting point is 00:09:12 perhaps psychotic, combat training in the world. After retiring from the Navy, he co-founded a leadership and management consulting company and authored the number one New York Times bestseller, Extreme Ownership, How U.S. Navy SEALs Lead and Win. He did his first ever interview on this podcast. He also hosts a fantastic podcast called Jocko Podcast, which you should check out. It's intense. Now, in our conversation, I started by asking Jocko, at least in this excerpt, what his morning routines look like and how he would structure his ideal day. Here's what he said. So I wake up early. I wake up at 4.45. I like to have that psychological win over the enemy. And you know, for me that when I wake up in the morning and I don't know why

Starting point is 00:10:10 I'm thinking about the enemy and what they're doing, and I know I'm not active duty anymore, but it's still in there that there's a guy that's in a cave somewhere and he's rocking back and forth and he's got a machine gun in one hand and a, and a grenade in the other hand. And he's waiting for me and we're going to meet. And when I wake up in the morning, I'm thinking to myself, what can I do to be ready for that moment, which is coming, which is coming. And, uh, so that, that propels me out of bed that, and I, I work out early in the morning. Uh, so you wake up at four 45. What's the next thing aside from like brushing your teeth and doing the usual. Do the usual.

Starting point is 00:11:07 Start working out. And I try, ideally, I like to get done with my workout by the time the sun comes up. And so now if there's waves, you know, I live by the ocean, so I'll go surfing and get done with that. What is the morning workout? What does a typical morning workout look like? I, you know, I do a lot of pull-ups, push-ups, and dips. I deadlift and do squats. I do sprints.

Starting point is 00:11:32 I mean, it's everything that everybody knows. It's everything that everybody does, right? I swing kettlebells. I do burpees. You know, it's all that. And it's like a 60-minute workout? How long is the workout? It depends.

Starting point is 00:11:43 It depends on what's going on. Um, I will, I'll try and do some strength movements to be strong, you know, deadlifts, cleans, clean and jerk, something like that, uh, to make myself stronger. Or even if it's, even if it's something like just dead hang pull-ups and I'm just maxing out, but I, I'll do something like that to make myself stronger. And sometimes that can take a while, you know, cause I'll just want to relax and, and, you know, hit singles or doubles, um, on deadlifts or cleans or whatever. And then when I get done with that, I'll do some kind of, uh, some kind of metabolic conditioning of some kind, you know, I'll be sprinting or

Starting point is 00:12:19 rowing or swinging a kettlebell or, you know, lighter weight weight, cleaning jerks for reps or something like that. So that's what it looks like for me. So you finish training when the sun comes up, hit the waves since they're there, which is a good policy. And what happens then? You know, I'll come back and start you know, start doing normal human stuff. Right. That's when the work begins. Yeah. I, you know, I have, I have a leadership and management consulting business, so I'll have clients to talk to. I'll have emails to push out. Um, and, and I'll, I'll start taking care of that business. I normally don't get hungry until 10 or 11 o'clock in the morning. So around 10 or 11 o'clock,

Starting point is 00:13:07 I start wanting, you know, to, to start to graze on some food and I'll do that. And, and then by, by noon I'm feeling pretty hungry. Like I need some lunch. And, uh, what is, is, what does your diet generally look like? Generally looks like steak, steak and chicken and salad. Paleo ish. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:13:30 And I'm, I'm no, you know, I'm no stranger to having some mint chocolate chip ice cream or some oval teen or whatever. Uh, you know, again, I'm not, I'm, I'm not, you know, a competitive bodybuilder. And so, you know, I so I'll eat some normal food. Right. You can indulge when the spirit moves you. When you think of the word successful, who are the first people or the first person that comes to mind? so for me, you know, the,

Starting point is 00:14:08 the part of the world that I've seen is a very dark place. It's a dark place. That's what war is. And when your job, which my job was, was to expand that darkness in many ways. I mean, war is about killing people. that's successful. It's someone that brings some light into that darkness. So for me, the first people that come to my head are Mark Lee, who is one of my guys, first SEAL killed in Iraq. Mike Monsoor, one of my guys, second SEAL killed in Iraq, posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor.

Starting point is 00:15:11 And Ryan Jobe, one of my guys, wounded in Iraq, blinded in both eyes. Made it home, medically retired from the Navy, married his high school sweetheart, got her pregnant, and finished his college degree. And after his 20-second surgery to repair the damage that was done to his head and face, there were complications and he died as well. But all of those guys in all that darkness, they did things. They, they made a sacrifice that was completely selfless. And to do that and to live and fight and die

Starting point is 00:16:18 like a warrior, that to me is success. And those guys are my heroes. What do you, what do you struggle with? And I asked that because, I mean, we've only just met, but it's hard for me as a civilian to fathom what you and your friends have been through. Impossible for me to fathom. And I mean, it makes me just feel ashamed for ever complaining about a bad day or a hard day, given what you guys have experienced and the stakes that are involved and the sacrifices and the sadness and tragedy

Starting point is 00:17:11 that is a part of that job. What do you struggle with, whether it's in the business sphere or just in life in general, if you're open to talking about it? Because I certainly, I know that I used to, when I had these icons in my head, I was like, oh my God, Richard Branson, he's got it all figured out.

Starting point is 00:17:35 He's doing everything perfectly. He's just, he's on cruise control, hitting home runs every time he gets a bat. And as I've slowly gotten to know, not necessarily Branson directly, although I have met him before, I realized like people all have, and this is something that you talked about that detachment, you know, when I find myself, I've always had kind of impatience and anger issues and it's helped me to be aggressive in sport and in business and in negotiation, but it's also caused some problems for me. And, um,

Starting point is 00:18:06 but I've realized that one of the ways I can tone that down is by realizing like everybody had, everyone is fighting a battle, you know, nothing about, uh, in some way, but what, what are the things that, uh, that you find difficult or that you struggle with or have it's it's it's an interesting question because and this is a filler answer in case you couldn't tell that because when i start off with it's an interesting question that means i'm not really say. Um, I've, you know, I've been, I've been lucky. I've been blessed. I've had, you know, a life that I would not trade with anyone in the world. Um, when you talk about Ramadi, I, that was the highlight of my life because I was leading men in combat, which is something, which was something that I always wanted to do and something that I felt that I was destined to do. And when I was in that situation, I knew that I wasn't, I don't look back and say,

Starting point is 00:19:19 oh, I wish I would have enjoyed that. No, I knew it then. This is it. This is, this is what you have been waiting for your whole life and what you really have been preparing for your whole life. And I was lucky to be there and I was lucky to have, uh, incredible guys to work with both in my unit and in the other units, the army and the Marine Corps that we worked with. I was lucky enough to have guys that were so brave and so dedicated. And I will use the word fearless, not that they didn't have fear, but that they overcame it all the time. And so I'd say if there's anything that does anything else matter? Is there an answer is no. The answer is no. Nothing else matters.

Starting point is 00:20:14 Nothing else is close. And so you have to deal with that. And I don't struggle is a strong word because I don't sit there at night, you know, wishing I was back. Well, okay. I do do that. You know, sometimes I, I often wish I was back, but I don't dwell on it because it's gone. And I'm so happy that I could be part of it and that I was able to work with such tremendous guys. And, uh, I try and keep their memory alive every day in my own head.

Starting point is 00:20:57 Next up is Seth Godin. I love Seth. He is one of the most influential marketers in the world and his blog, which nearly anyone at the top of the marketing world has read at some point, is followed by the who's who of people several companies. And most of all, if you look at all of his various projects, he challenges the status quo in all areas. He loves testing assumptions, which makes me love you, Seth. It's true. Hope you're listening. Thanks, Seth. His books include Lynchpin, Tribes, The Dip, Purple Cow, and What to Do When when it's your turn and then in parentheses and it's always your turn in this short clip seth talks about self-discipline the busy trap and give some best practices anyone can use whether you're a parent or a so-called wantrepreneur on the subject of eating what do your eating habits look like?

Starting point is 00:22:06 What does your diet look like? Yeah, it's really not good. It's not good? Well, it's not good because I'm bored by it, but people are fascinated when we go out to dinner. I don't eat wheat. I don't eat dairy. I don't eat cilantro. I don't eat meat.

Starting point is 00:22:22 Because each time I sort of adjust what I eat, I feel better. And so I feel like I am in a happy place where I can make fascinating, interesting food and mostly eat happily in restaurants without being obsessive about it. What is the first, say, two hours of your day look like? And what is a typical breakfast? Breakfast is one more decision I don't make. So it's a frozen banana, hemp powder, almond milk, a dried plum, and some walnuts in the blender. And then I make coffee for whoever comes over that morning and for my lovely wife. Meanwhile, I've probably done an hour and a half of stuff online before 7.30. So then I know the world didn't break when I was asleep, and then I can get to work. What is the half hour of triage, internet triage or computer triage look like? What types of things are you doing in that half hour?

Starting point is 00:23:33 Well, the most important thing is, did the blog work? Because if it didn't, I have to take evasive action. But I love the guys at TypePad. It's the best $29 a month I spend because it doesn't crash and it works. And then I try to clear the email box. I've lived in inbox zero since before it was coined. And now my brain is free. And so then I try not to be an email hound until I've done actual productive work. And then I come to the apartment where I work and other people join me here sometimes. And we work on the Alt MBA, which is a school I am building.

Starting point is 00:24:15 And that's what I do for work. And when was the last time you worked at home if you ever did? Well, if there's a laptop or I'm not unconscious, I'm at work in the sense that what I do for a living is notice things. Right. Right. I guess the reason I ask is I've, I've, I've long considered getting an office as opposed to operating out of coffee shops and miscellaneous locations. And that is the context behind the question. I do much better in this room. This room is, I couldn't recreate this room for $10 million. It's got so much patina. It's got patina on the patina.

Starting point is 00:25:02 And that sets a bar for me about the fact that i don't want to compromise just to do the next thing because i look at the last thing or the thing before that and i say damn i'm proud of that don't do something you're not proud of so you know the alt mba i wouldn't be running it still if it wasn't the single most important educational thing i've ever done. And that's what I keep trying to do is the next thing's got to be worthy of it or else I might as well just take a break. Could you elaborate? Because a lot of the questions from my fans on Twitter and Facebook were related to education.

Starting point is 00:25:38 And they generally came in a number of themes. One was, could you have him elaborate on his education manifesto? The other was, hey, I have a kid who's in fourth grade. I have a kid who's just going to be entering school. What would Seth do in my shoes? And you don't have to tackle those right off the bat, but as that is context, could you tell us more about what you're up to? This is a rant and it's not about what I'm up to. It's about what I was up to. And the rant is this.

Starting point is 00:26:13 Sooner or later, parents have to take responsibility for putting their kids into a system that is indebting them and teaching them to be cogs in an economy that doesn't want cogs anymore. And parents get to decide. I'm a huge fan of public school. Send my kids to public school. I think everyone should go to public school because it's a great mix master of our world. But from three o'clock to 10 o'clock, those kids are getting homeschooled. And they're either getting homeschooled and watching the Flintstones, or they're getting homeschooled in learning something useful. And I think we need to teach kids two things. One, how to lead, and two, how to solve interesting problems. Because the fact is, there are plenty of countries on earth where there are people who are willing to be obedient and work harder for less money than us.

Starting point is 00:27:07 So we cannot out obedience the competition. Therefore, we have to out lead or out solve the other people. I don't care what country they live in, in Wyoming or across the world who want whatever is scarce. The way you teach your kids to solve interesting problems is to give them interesting problems to solve. And then don't criticize them when they fail. Because kids aren't stupid. If they get in trouble every time they try to solve an interesting problem, they'll just go back to getting an A by memorizing what's in the textbook. That it's so important here. And I spend an enormous amount of time with kids.

Starting point is 00:27:51 I produced The Wizard of Oz, the musical in fourth grade. I used to help run a summer camp. I think that it's a privilege to be able to look a trusting, energetic, smart 11-year-old in the eye and tell him the truth. And what we can say to that 11-year-old is, I really don't care how you did on your vocabulary test. I care about whether you have something to say. And we can teach our kids from a young age to be the kind of people we want them to be. And anything that's worth memorizing is worth looking up now. So we don't need to have them spend a lot of time getting good grades so they can go into a famous college because famous colleges don't work anymore. Famous college isn't the point anymore. The point is, is there an entity that will have trouble living without you when

Starting point is 00:28:46 you seek to earn a living? Because if there is, you'll be able to make a living. If on the other hand, you're waiting in the placement office for someone to pick you, you will be persistently undervalued. You talked earlier about writing daily as a practice, listening to the audio books as a practice, are there any practices that you would suggest to the kind of overwhelmed, busy parent who wants to start to be more proactive in this department? They have an 11-year-old. Are there any practices or exercises that you would suggest? Well, you know super well that busy is a trap and that busy is a myth. So what could possibly be more important than your kid? Please don't play the busy card.

Starting point is 00:29:32 If you spend two hours a day without an electronic device looking your kid in the eye, talking to them, and solving interesting problems, you will raise a different kid than someone who doesn't do that. And that's one of the reasons why I cook dinner every night. Because what a wonderful semi-distracted environment for the kid to tell you the truth, for you to have low stakes, but super important conversations with someone who's important to you, right? That this idea, get home from work, put on your sneakers and go for a walk with your kid. You know, my friend Brian walks his daughter to school every day. That's priceless. How can you be too busy to do that? And the work you're doing now? So I did a couple of courses for Skillshare.

Starting point is 00:30:30 They worked really well. They were very highly rated and they had a 80% dropout rate, which is way better than anybody else because other online courses have a 97% dropout rate. Then I did a course for Udemy and the same thing happened. And I'm thinking, I love making these courses. And there I am on screen. It sounds like me, but why are people dropping out of my courses and everyone else's? And the reason is because when it gets hard and there's no social pressure, you leave. So what I said was, how do I make the opposite of an online course? And that meant instead of a million people, 100, it meant instead of being free, it's expensive.

Starting point is 00:31:10 Instead of letting everyone in, you have to apply. Instead of being easy, it's hard. And instead of being on your own, it's a group thing where there are coaches watching you all the time. And instead of lectures, it's 100% projects. So I built it to see what would happen. And so the Alt MBA is for people at big companies. We've got people from Whole Foods and Microsoft.

Starting point is 00:31:33 And it's for people at tiny companies. And it's not for everybody. But we get this cohort of people. And there's a coach for every 10. We put them in Slack. We put them in Slack. We put them in WordPress. We give them 14 assignments over a 28-day period of time and we sprint as fast as we can.

Starting point is 00:31:52 And it's unbelievable. Tim, I just got to tell you, it's unbelievable because I'm not actively involved. I just watch because eventually the goal is to have more of these sessions. I can't be in them if they have more of them and people change because we don't give them any other choice. I get asked all the time. Maybe you get asked this too, but like, how do you maintain the discipline or how do you change this habit? How do you do this? And my answer is almost always the same. Like you have to have a punishment or a reward for following or not following it, for doing it or not doing it. And it's, it's, it's just incredible to see how people have never been able to lose weight before. As soon as they have a hundred dollars of their own money on the

Starting point is 00:32:42 line and it's a betting pool with five other people who will be able to heckle them at the office, all of a sudden, they figure it out really quickly. And the how-to isn't as hard. But in this particular example, could you expand on the social aspect? Because I think it's really, really important and transfers and applies to a lot of other areas. There are some people in some areas who have the self-discipline necessary to get the work done that needs to get done. You know, those people and I need, I know those people. And when we find one of them, it's fabulous. Like, I think I am like that with certain parts of my craft in that no one would notice if I didn't do it the way I do it. I just choose to do it. When it comes to education, though, all of us have 12 to 20 years of brainwashing going on with which is epitomized by one sentence

Starting point is 00:33:40 I hate with a passion, which is, will this be on the test? Right? So as soon as you say, will this be on the test, you've instantly defined why you are doing something. And then when we invite you to an online course for free on artificial intelligence, in which there is no certificate, which there is no accreditation. And you get to problem number four, and it's really hard. And you ask yourself, will this be on the test? And then you realize there is no test and no one even knows you're taking the course. Then you stop and you go eat some M&Ms and you turn on the TV. And so the goal here was if you need, if you benefit, if you thrive from being in an environment where you will push yourself to get what you wanted all along, I'll give you people who will push you, your fellow students and your coaches. And there won't be a test and

Starting point is 00:34:45 there won't be grades. This is better than that. This is teaching you to, you know, internalize the narrative of my mom's not here. My mom's not watching, but I should act like she was. I spent two and a half hours with Jamie Foxx in his home recording studio. Jamie, for those who don't know, is an Academy Award winning actor, Grammy Award winning musician, and of course he cut his teeth as a standup and improv comedian. He can do it all. He's the most consummate performer and entertainer I've ever met. He's really phenomenal. And this particular episode, and you can hear the whole thing at tim.blog forward slash Jamie. This episode ended up winning podcast of the year. The year it came out as voted on product hunt. His morning routine plays an important role in the structure of his

Starting point is 00:35:36 day. Let him tell you all about it. What is, uh, what is the first 60 minutes of your day look like? Do you have any morning routines that are important to you? Morning routines? I wake up. I text the people that I dig and love. What do you send? I just send them encouraging. There's a few people that just really mean a lot to me.

Starting point is 00:36:07 Want to let them know I'm thinking about them. Hold on. And then it varies, man. Sometimes I be like, okay, I put some work in. So I put in eight days. So maybe these two days I could chill. Get a little, I do the, just on the physical part, I get my 50 pull-ups in, 100 sit-ups, maybe 100 crunches, and it's easy.

Starting point is 00:36:32 I used to not be able to do it. My boy Tyron Turner. How many sets for the 50 pull-ups? For the 50? So I do 15 first, 15 pull-ups. This is what it is. I do 15 pull-ups, 50 push-ups, 100 sit-ups. Then I go back and I do 15 different grip.

Starting point is 00:36:52 So that'll get me to 30. Another 50 push-ups. That gets me to 100 push-ups. I'm done with the push-ups. And then I do 10 and 10 back to the first grip. And you don't have to do it every single day you can do it every other day uh and then what you notice is the pull-up bar and tyrant kept telling me this well we i got a homie tyrant he played cane in men of society and he i kept wondering how is he

Starting point is 00:37:18 always in shape he says man i'm trying to tell you the pull-up bar is everything. So that. And then just make the calls on what I need to get done and make sure I'm in the right position. Do you drink coffee? I don't drink coffee. I don't drink coffee. Have you never? Oh, you stopped? I had to stop having stimulants.

Starting point is 00:37:43 That's you and me. Earlier in my career, I was all about having stimulants. That's you and me. Earlier in my career, I was all about the stimulants. So at a certain point, I had to. Ixnay on the caffeine K. Yeah, I've been cutting that out as well. It's not good for me. People are like, aren't you worried about depressants, alcohol? I'm like, no, no, no, no.

Starting point is 00:38:01 Stimulants, that's what I need to be worried about. Yeah, because what I tell people all the time to drink coffee after a while you you keep you keep hitting that same muscle you know that in your brain to where you i know people right now who can drink four cups of coffee and go to sleep yeah i used to be that person yeah and so it's like my and one of my boys loves uh uh what is the red bull red bull and then he won't understand why some days he'll just be like this yeah so I had to stop. And it was tough because I had to have coffee every day. And I drank like double espressos.

Starting point is 00:38:32 You know, I was like I had to have the up. Yeah. But now I know how to go get it inside of my, you know, I know how to go get it inside. Last question here is I'm going to ask what advice you would give to yourself. Three different ages, 20, 30, and 40. So what advice you would give to yourself three different ages, 20, 30, and 40. So what advice would you give to your 20 year old self? Man, put the condom on. Shit. Stop playing around. Important advice. 20 man, put that on buddy. Not the fishnet one either put the real one on okay uh anything else for 20 or should we move

Starting point is 00:39:08 to 30 20 20s i had my daughter at 26 so the advice i would give me was like calm down you know it was like calm down and and, you know, make sure you're paying attention to your daughter and to the daughter's mom. 20s was tough because I just got to L.A. I was just, you know, man, the whole world was opening up. So I'm like, man, you know, I'm trying to do all of it. And while I was like calm calm down. And luckily, it was 26. So moving into 30, I was on my way to calming, if that makes sense. Does make sense.

Starting point is 00:39:54 So then you hit 30. 30. What advice would you give your 30-year-old self? It's going to go fast. In what way? It's going to go fast. The time is going to go fast in what way it's gonna go fast the time is gonna go fast so just make sure that you uh you start now planning for your future and not only is gonna go fast but don't spend all your

Starting point is 00:40:15 money don't buy the the the jacket that's twelve thousand dollars, relax. You know, just relax it because it's good. And 40 is going to come so fast. And you don't think that it is, but it's going to come so fast. And would you say that because you would want your 30-year-old self to pay attention to the present moment or do long-term thinking? No, you got to do long-term. When you're 30, you got a kid, and you're in my business, and in any business, all businesses are going to, especially when you make, my business is about me, though, so I have to be careful in my decisions socially and plan for the future. It's not going to be, I remember doing my television show, and it went five years went fast. And I would tell the people on my television show, it's going to go fast, man.

Starting point is 00:41:08 And if you finish at 35, but you live till 70, you know, so you have to really think about the future. A long game. Yeah. And then 40 before zero. Wow. 40. Big 4-0. Open those windows to other things. And some of the people that you've gone to battle with till you're 40 may not be the ones that you will battle and do business with towards 50. And take a little bit of your personal feelings out of it. Because I'm very personal.

Starting point is 00:41:59 Meaning like I would stay with someone even if I feel that they're not up to par business wise. But, you know, we have history. Take a little bit of the personal out of it. Still remain friends if you can with that person. Because now it's really pending. Like 50 about to be here. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, you know.

Starting point is 00:42:18 And I would tell my 40-year-old self, grow up in your mind but not in your body necessarily. Meaning stay young in your body but certain parts of your life you have to grow up and be be grown about things because now you got another kid your other child is you know 20 she's 21 now which is just, you know, this past year. So, but she was, you know, 13, 14 when I was 40. But now you got to start living. You would always live your life 100% for you. But now that you have your kids in a certain age, it's got to be 30 to 40% you, 60 to 7% what you're going to leave for them and how you're going to leave them. Because like I said, it's, it's flying and that's it. Jamie, so much fun. I really appreciate taking the time.

Starting point is 00:43:14 And where can people find what you're up to? Find you online. Learn. You can find me at IamJamieFox on my Periscope. Am I right? Am I saying this right? You know, I got these young cats telling me what. And then IamJamieFox on my Periscope. Am I right? Am I saying this right? Yeah, I got these young cats telling me what to do. And then IamJamieFox on Twitter also.

Starting point is 00:43:30 IamJamieFox on Twitter. I'm doing better on Twitter. I'm trying to do better on Twitter. The old fella trying to. The latest album? The latest album is called Hollywood, Story of a Dozen Roses. It's out. I don't care how you get it.

Starting point is 00:43:43 You can download it, bootleg it, steal it from a friend. I don't care. I just want you to hear the music. The song that's out right now is I'm Supposed to Be in Love by Now. I'm supposed to be in love by now. It's been so long for me.

Starting point is 00:44:04 I don't know how Been drowning in a sea of broken vows But I'm supposed to be in love by now I've been chasing my dream now I'm chasing you running hard but my legs feel weak I done played every part

Starting point is 00:44:33 I done played a fool write the movie I be your lead I'm supposed to be in love by now well girl you stole my heart supposed to be in love by now. Well, girl, you stole my heart to take about in love by now. So make sure you get that. In Love By Now is out.

Starting point is 00:45:08 It's a song that my daughter made me she sort of made me do she's like listen stop with the club stuff stop with and that's my oldest daughter's like funny she said stop with the club joints stop you're trying to be too young like even she'd even like i had on some shoes one day that she thought was just, I had too young of a shoe. She's like, Dad, what is that on your feet? I said, they're the new style, baby. They're the Giuseppes. You know, it's the new style. I had a zipper on and a buckle and my name engraved.

Starting point is 00:45:36 And she was like, stop it. She said, Dad, you have old feet. I said, what does that mean? You have old feet, like you have feet for marching, like a civil rights. You have a civil rights feet. But she said, do a song that we know that is from you. And it's true. She said, I'm supposed to be in love by now.

Starting point is 00:45:58 And so that and jumping out of the window. And we just shot the In Love By Now video with George Lopez is the priest. I get stood up at the altar. George Lopez is the priest. Nicole Scherzinger, and we all know her from the Pussycat Dolls, but also her solo career and everything. She plays my love interest, which is great because she's a good friend, and so we were able to really get into some like, you know, they don't do old school videos anymore.

Starting point is 00:46:24 This actually has a bit of a story. My man Tank is in it. And then all of my friends, my daughter's in it, my little daughter's in it. And my mom and dad is in it. And, you know, so it's kind of cool. Scott Adams is the creator of Dilbert, which has been published in more than 2,000 newspapers in 57 countries and in 19 languages. In this next segment, Scott talks about his six dimensions of humor, but I started by asking Scott about the structure of his morning, beginning with the exact time that he wakes up. So depending on when I went to sleep, five or six but let's say five i get up and i walk directly downstairs um and get my coffee so push one button and wait for it have my one protein bar which is always the same because the coffee is always the same the protein is always

Starting point is 00:47:21 the same and the time is always the same, and the time is always the same, give or take that hour, because I'm removing decisions. What type of protein bar do you eat? I eat a Builder's 20-gram protein bar, chocolate peanut butter. And I'm so smart that I actually picked it up and had the label in front of me because I expected that question. Well, you know me well. At that point, I usually get on and start looking. I guess I check Twitter first and check my webpage to see if anything blew up that I don't know about. Did I say anything yesterday that caused the world to melt down? Because I'll need to know about that.

Starting point is 00:48:02 Failing that, I usually open Business Insider because I just like reading it. Usually while I'm waiting for my coffee, I've looked at my Facebook feed and just played around. Basically, I'm just trying to wake up, get my mind working. And there's a process where once you clear your mind, you have to flood it. And you may use different words for this, but I know you do it. So you empty it, and then you flood it with new input that's not the old input. So I'm looking at the news. I'm looking at stuff I haven't seen. I'm not looking at yesterday's problem for the fifth time.

Starting point is 00:48:37 I'm looking at a new problem. I'm thinking of a new idea. So I'm flooding in all the new stuff. But then you've got to find out where in that flood is the little piece that's worth working with. And that's where I use the body model. I kind of cycle through all this stuff. The body model, you said? Yeah. So the model is your brain can't find good content, right?

Starting point is 00:49:02 Not directly in an intellectual sense. Obviously, the brain's involved. But what I mean is that as I'm thinking of these ideas and they're flowing through my head, I'm monitoring my body. I'm not monitoring my mind. And when my body changes, I have something that other people are going to care about too. Oh, that's cool. I like that. So that means posture or what type of indicators are there? I'll tell you, if I'm thinking of, let's say, a particular setup for a joke, I'll think of the joke and then quite often I'll audibly go, and it wasn't planned, right? It just went, and it was sort of a half laugh that you do when you're by yourself and you say,

Starting point is 00:49:41 think of something funny, but you don't want to do a full laugh. There are other times when, so for example, I told you the story about being in the shower and thinking of the entire plot for God's Debris in one moment. My entire body lit up. When I had the idea for the blog that I wrote recently that just sort of lit up the Internet, I felt it as a full-body experience long before I wrote it. And so that's largely true. Now with Dilbert, if you do this long enough, a lot of the things that used to be technique just get baked into your personality after a while.

Starting point is 00:50:18 And so there's stuff you do as second nature that you're kind of moving art into the domain of craft right so for example i know because i've you know learned over time that there are six elements of dimension of humor six dimensions of humor and if i use at least two of them i've got a joke if i use three of them it's probably going to be a really good joke but that's not enough there's still that um there's something about it that x factor that thing you can't put your foot your finger on that just makes your body move you know it just moves your body and if you can't get that um no craft in the world can survive you know it can't resuscitate it and have you have you

Starting point is 00:50:57 you written about the the six elements of humor before i did i i've written about it a number of times i think if anybody Googles my name, Scott Adams, and six dimensions of humor, you'll see a few references to it. Got it. And what would be two examples of the six, just for fun? Oh, I know you're good at this. Because you know what you just did that was just so smart? If you had asked me for the six, I would have changed the subject because I know I'm not going to remember. But you asked me for two because you know I could come up with two. All right.

Starting point is 00:51:34 So I'm going to go for six because you've now made it safe for me to do that. Wonderful. So there's cute. There's bizarre. There's recognizable. There's naughty. How many was that? Yeah, you're already way ahead of the game.

Starting point is 00:51:50 You've got four. You've got cute, bizarre, recognizable, and naughty. You'll have to Google the rest. Let me give you an example. So cute is usually kids and dogs, right? And bizarre is just anything that's out of place. If you know your cartoon history, you will know that

Starting point is 00:52:10 the far side used primarily the dimension of putting something out of place. You'd have an animal talking. As soon as the animal's talking, he's got one dimension. He's basically starting a race and he's already ahead of you if you're the cartoonist who's sitting there saying, I think I'll do a comic about anything. The world is my canvas. But he's started ahead of you already.

Starting point is 00:52:32 So he's got the bizarre and then he'll have the animal say something often in the framing or the type of mood that a human would say. So that's the recognizable part. So if you could put yourself in the picture and say, oh God, I recognize that situation, but it's an animal talking. Clearly, there's more to it than that. Again, you have to have at least that two dimensions. Take a look at the best comic strip of all time that I think nearly everyone in the world would say, Calvin and Hobbes. There's a talking tiger that is both bizarre and cute. All right?

Starting point is 00:53:18 So he took the far side one dimension further as a starting point. All right? The moment you start reading Calvin and Hobbes, you already have cute because his drawing is amazing, both of the child and the, you know, he's got a double cute. He's got a child and an animal, and it's a cool animal, right? So he starts that before he even writes a joke. So then if he has the kid doing something, you know, naughty or also anything bad happening to anybody is, of course, one of the dimensions. So cruelty, did I mention cruelty?

Starting point is 00:53:47 Am I up to five yet? You're up to five. That's number five. Shoot. By the end of this interview, I will have come up with that sixth one, and I'm going to scream it in the middle of whatever other unrelated question you have. Could you perhaps explain a bit of how you use affirmations if you do? You have accidentally given me the greatest beginning anecdote to a long explanation anybody ever did. So true story. Just a few days ago, I was having dinner with Naval. And I'm just making conversation, you know, hadn't seen him in a while. And just randomly,

Starting point is 00:54:23 because I knew I was coming on your podcast, I said, Naval, have you ever done the, you know, hadn't seen him in a while. And just randomly, because I knew I was coming on your podcast, I said, Naval, have you ever done the, you know, Tim Ferriss podcast? And he gets this weird expression in his face. And he says, I just came from there. It was the most random thing any two people could have said to each other after not seeing for a while. But that weird story is a story about coincidence, right? You know, there's no magic that happened there. It was just a strange coincidence. It probably wasn't even a coincidence because the fact that we both know you and there's something in the air and maybe you bunch your interviews in a certain way or think about them a certain way. So I'm sure there's no real coincidence

Starting point is 00:54:59 there. There's just something we didn't see underlying at all. So that's the backdrop for affirmations. Let me say first that what I'm saying is not my belief that if you say your affirmations, something magical will happen and the universe will change in some non-science way. All right. So I never made that claim, although often people have put that opinion in my mouth. What I have said is that I've used the technique and I got a certain experience, which I'll be happy to share, and that I tell the story. You can make of it what you will. I have several explanations for why there seems to be what I would call the appearance of an effect, which, by the way, would be amazing in itself. If you could give yourself a genuine feeling that you had a superpower, even if it wasn't

Starting point is 00:55:48 real, as long as it didn't interfere with your job, nobody thought you were crazy, it'd be a cool feeling. So even if it's not real in some sense of reality, it's still worth having, frankly. So I'm going to take as long as I want for this, and you can just cut me off. It's a fun story from beginning to end. I like long ones. A lot of people ask this. This is what this format is for, long form.

Starting point is 00:56:12 So please go for it. All right, so I'm in my 20s. I was taking a course in hypnosis to learn how to become a professional hypnotist and get certified. In my class was a woman who was also interested in a lot of things that I thought were pretty out there, some new agey stuff. But we became friends. And one day, she said, you got to try this thing called affirmations. I read about it in a book, and I don't remember the name of the book. And so I can't tell you here, because she couldn't tell me. And she said, it works like this. All you do is you pick a goal me and she said it works like this all you do is you

Starting point is 00:56:45 you pick a goal and you write it down 15 times a day in some specific sentence form like i scott adams will become an astronaut for example and you do that every day and then it will seem as if the universe just starts spitting up opportunities and it will look to you like these are coincidences. And whether they are or not is less relevant than the fact that they seem to pop up. So I, of course, being my rational self, you know, at this point, I haven't even decided if hypnosis is a real thing, right? You know, I'm taking the course to find out in part. And so I'm saying, you know, that seems like a terrible waste of time. There's no science behind that, blah, blah, blah. She convinced me, partly because she was a member of Mensa, that she wasn't dumb. And then secondly, it didn't cost me anything, right? It was a low

Starting point is 00:57:37 investment for something to make her shut up. So I said, all right, I'm going to do this thing. So I picked as my goal that I would have an encounter with a woman who was well beyond my buying power, shall we say. This is pre-Dilbert, so post-Dilbert you get to add a few points to your attractiveness scale. It's not fair, but that's just the way it works. So let's say if I could modestly say I was a six, hoping to be a six and a half, let's say she was a nine, just so you get a sense of the monumental task I set in front of myself. Secondly, I didn't know her. She was just somebody who worked in the company in a different department. So I'll shorten the story just to say lucky things happened, and against all odds, my affirmation came true.

Starting point is 00:58:25 So I thought to myself, as everybody would in this situation, well, it's not really the affirmation that worked. That would be crazy, right? Because even though it was a whole bunch of ridiculous coincidences that put us in the same place at the same time, I mean, you wouldn't believe the number of them, and I won't tell them here because they're just too many. But in the end, it was almost like we were fated to meet, right? I don't believe in that, but it just felt like that. That's the experience. So I said to myself, well, I guess I've misinterpreted this, and really what happened is I'm not a six and a half. Damn it,

Starting point is 00:58:59 I must be her level. Or maybe I'm a seven and a half and maybe she's a nine, but she's got poor self-image. So she didn't know it. So maybe that's all that happened, right? So I said, well, I'm going to have to try something else. So I said, all right, I'll try an affirmation of I'll get rich in the stock market. Now that's kind of a crazy thing to ask for,

Starting point is 00:59:19 especially if you don't even have a stock brokerage account open. And if you don't have any money to invest, I think I was a poor banking person, a banker that was. And so I started doing that affirmation. And after about a week, I literally woke up in the middle of the night, sat straight up in my bed with a thought firmly in my head that I should buy stock in Chrysler. Now, time, I don't remember the year, but if you went through the historical

Starting point is 00:59:46 records, it was when Chrysler was flirting with completely going out of business. I don't know if they were officially bankrupt, but the government had pumped them up. And most observers were saying, this is sort of the company that's circling the drain. So it didn't seem like a good idea. But I tried to open my Schwab account anyway and pursue it just to see. We're still in A-B testing here to see if this is real. But the paperwork got mixed up and it took weeks to sort it out. I didn't get my account opened. In the meantime, the stock starts rising. I think it went up 10 or 20% in the time that I wasted trying to open my account. So I thought to myself, damn, I was kind of right. I mean I picked a pretty good stock, but my timing is off. So I guess the affirmation thing wasn't really working.

Starting point is 01:00:34 So I didn't buy that stock. If you go back, you'll find out it continued to go up because it turns out Chrysler did a turnaround. It was one of the great business success stories of all time. I knew nothing about that, except the headline news, before I came up with this idea. In other words, there was no story I read. No analyst was ahead of it. It just came from nowhere, or so it seemed. But I lost out because I didn't trust it, I guess. I didn't buy, and it became kind of the story stock of the year. So I tried it one more time. I said, I think I'll try to buy one more stock. And I did the affirmations. And one day I pick up the newspaper and I just had this feeling. And I opened it up

Starting point is 01:01:15 and there's a, back in the day when a company was going public, they would sometimes put a big notice in the newspaper. It was a company called Ask Computer, ASK, or Ask Software, I forget. But they were a new tech company back before tech was anything. And I said, hey, I'm going to invest in this company. I just feel it. Put in some money.

Starting point is 01:01:36 I think it went up, I don't know, 10% in a week or whatever it was. I thought, woo-woo, I'm a genius. I think I invested about $1,000, might have made $100, which was big money for a week of doing nothing. When you're not making enough money to save money, making $100 for nothing seemed like a big deal. So I'm thinking, man, I am so smart. I sold my stock, and that

Starting point is 01:01:55 freaking stock went to the moon after I sold it. And now I've got these three data points, right? And the only thing that stopped me from the two doing very well for me is that I didn't stay with them. So I said, well, it would be dumb if this thing actually has something to it to set another goal that's relatively modest. Right, yeah. So there was another thing I did first. Let me insert that before I went big. I also made a bet with somebody that I would take the GMATs, the test you take to get into a good school for your MBA. Because I'd taken them right after I'd finished my four-year degree, and I'd got, I think, the 77th percentile, which is nowhere near enough to get into a school like Berkeley, which would make a difference in my career.

Starting point is 01:02:42 So I made a bet with somebody who was going to take a prep course. They were going to try to raise their score from the 80s and something, perhaps the 90s, in order to get into a good school, again, like Berkeley. So I made a bet, and I don't know why I made this bet. It was just stupid in retrospect. I bet that I would raise my score from 77th percentile to whatever was her new best score. So I would beat not only her other score, which already beat me by over 10 points, I think, or maybe she was in the high 80s, I think. But I thought I would beat her new score, and I wasn't going to take a test preparation course. I was just going to take some practice tests on my own at home. So I did that, but I paired it with the affirmation. And then I also

Starting point is 01:03:26 visualized, which is part of the process they tell you to do, very specifically what my score would look like on the exact document I knew I would get because I had taken this test before years earlier. And so I would imagine that in that little box where the cumulative score was, I would see the number 94. And so I just kept focusing on 94 because I figured that would be close enough that if I got anywhere in that range, then I'm probably going to get into a good school if I want to. So we take the test. Every one of my practice tests, I got about the same as the first time I took it,

Starting point is 01:04:00 somewhere in the high 70s percentile. I take the test, felt exactly the same as all the practice tests. I didn't feel like I was having a good day or anything. Weeks pass, the test shows up in the mail. I go to the mailbox, I open the mail, and I open that letter. And it's the same kind of format that I'd visualized, so I knew exactly what it looked like. And I looked down into the little box where for weeks I had been visualizing the number 94. And I looked at it, and the fucking thing said 94.

Starting point is 01:04:29 All right? This was after the stock market experience? Yeah. I'm getting my timing mixed up. It was somewhere roughly in that period, right? So I literally sat there in my little mold-covered, literally, apartment in San Francisco in the Hays District. I sat in a chair, and I stared forward for hours. And all night long, I would say to myself, I don't think I just saw that. And then I would reach over to my table and pick up

Starting point is 01:05:00 the little report, and I would look at it again, and I would make sure I was scouring the document and not reading like a date or a serial number or something, right? And it was right. I'd put it down and then I would just repeat that process for hours. And at the end of it, I said, I think I'm going to set my sights higher. And it wasn't long after I decided to start the affirmation, my Scott Adams would become a famous cartoonist. So there were some years that passed in between, and then some other affirmations. But that's essentially the path I took. Well, there you have it, folks. This is the Tim Ferriss Radio Hour, and I hope you enjoyed hearing from some of the superstars I've spoken with

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The Tim Ferriss Show - #253: Morning Routines and Strategies

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The Tim Ferriss Show - #253: Morning Routines and Strategies

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