The Tim Ferriss Show - #426: The Random Show: Boozy Quarantine Edition!

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Starting point is 00:07:21 or anywhere else. Also, if I'm doing small in-person meetups, offering early access to startups, beta testing, special deals, or anything else that's very limited, I share it first with Five Bullet Friday subscribers. So check it out, tim.blog forward slash Friday. If you listen to this podcast, it's very likely that you'd dig it a lot and you can, of course,, easily subscribe anytime. So easy peasy. Again, that's tim.blog forward slash Friday. And thanks for checking it out. If the spirit moves you. Hello, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of The Random Show. I am Kevin Rose. I am Tim Ferriss. Tim Ferriss is, of course, a bestselling New York Times author, inventor of the term the China virus. And no, I'm just kidding. True fact.

Starting point is 00:08:14 True fact. Not true fact. Not true fact. And we're thrilled, dude. This is awesome. This is like, what a great break from the chaos than to hang out. It is. Yeah, it is. And I'll give you credit for the idea of doing something live, which I think at least for me is very stress reducing and calming amidst all this uncertainty to have an actual time where you see your friends' faces. And I've not been drinking at all, so it's actually exciting to have a little bit of boozy booze. Cheers, Kevin. Cheers. And everybody out there. Yes.

Starting point is 00:08:54 Thanks for joining. And well, let's perhaps start with what we're drinking here. Yeah. What are you having so um our mutual friend um will harlan i'm having the mascot 2012 which is a fantastic uh cabernet out of napa valley um highly recommend checking out their site um yeah it's called the mascot and it's uh one of my favorite cabs for sure. So this is something I just pulled out, and I have no idea where this came from.

Starting point is 00:09:31 I didn't buy it. So it is whatever that is. I can't pronounce French particularly well. T-Y-D-Y Sauvignon Blanc. Is this like someone sent this to you? If you didn't buy it. I mean, almost all of my wine has been given to me. And this just got yanked out. So I decided to go white.

Starting point is 00:09:53 Took a little magnesium threonate and L-lysine and a few other things to mitigate the hangover. Since I expect I'll probably finish this during this conversation. And we'll see how that works. I think it could be futile so to be to be to be continued but what what other context should we lay out i think for us well i think that you know i i know that when we you know you and i will i put together a document before the the show a little shared google doc and you know we have to figure out what we're going to be talking about in the show. And one of the things that I know we both wanted to address

Starting point is 00:10:28 was just to say, you know, on a downbeat before we try and make this a little bit more of an upbeat show is just to say, our thoughts are with everyone out there. It's an extremely difficult time. And, you know, we all have, of chaos and craziness and the ups and downs and emotional rollercoaster that's going on right now in, in the world. And we know that there's people that are watching this that have been laid off. There's people that are watching this that are, that might even be sick or have friends or family that are sick. And, uh, you know, I, I know I'll let you speak for yourself, Tim, but I know that,

Starting point is 00:11:03 I mean, my thoughts are with all of you. Um, it's a, it's a really, really difficult time. Yeah, I want to echo all of that. I have family members who've been laid off. I have seen that amongst a lot of my friends, friends I grew up with, and our hearts go out to everyone. And thanks for joining. And this is really, aside from the other things that we might be doing, just an attempt to offer a salve, even if just for an hour or two, to have a feeling of being connected with other folks. Brian Koppelman, who is a friend of mine, co-creator of Billions, recently had on a podcast, he does something called the Royale every morning, which is his first cup of coffee,

Starting point is 00:11:51 takes a picture and he has other people post their pictures. And it's become this real vibrant community of people who look forward to this every day. So I figured at your recommendation, Kevin, that this would be a fun experiment just to allow everybody to hopefully take 60 minutes without looking at your Twitter feed or the bad news. There's going to be plenty of bad news. It's still going to be there later. You don't have to look at it now. And it's been heavy. It's been really heavy. I don't know about you, Kevin, but I was texting you before we started recording. I have lost, and it's not like I had that much weight to lose. I hate you. Well, I've lost 15, probably 15 pounds in the last four weeks. I've been in quarantine for five to six weeks, but it's been from...

Starting point is 00:12:40 I hate you. I've been eating pizza and chocolate dude like every night i'm not kidding how are you losing weight well maybe it's that you know the energy cannot be created nor destroyed it just changes form so by me losing weight i'm just putting it on your muffin top that that could be you're welcome you'll last longer when we get to on the the road or Mad Max, you'll live for a longer time. But the point being, I've been, even when I'm not consciously aware of it, quite under duress and have been having anxiety dreams and nightmares for the first time in God knows how long. I've never really had nightmares consistently and I've had trouble remembering to eat i mean that

Starting point is 00:13:29 sounds crazy and i know some people might want to have that but it's been a strange period that's a really strange period for me and for a lot of people i gotta say tim like you were the first person that was warning me uh about this stuff ago. Like when it first, when it first kind of broke out and it, and it just like, you know, starting to gain a little traction in China, like you were like prepping big time, dude. And I remember I was giving you shit. I was like, ah, I don't know, man, summer will come around. It'll get hotter. This will kind of like die down. And you were hardcore prepping and uh you know props to you for calling it early and and what are you doing where are you are you in a bunker

Starting point is 00:14:12 somewhere like what's going on in tim's life you literally like what is the screen behind you like what the hell's going on the decor is a bit intense uh i'm using my Scorsese cinematography to make this look really dramatic. I'm in a guest bedroom because I want it to be hard connected. The internet is being hammered by everyone being home. Netflix, Tiger King. Yeah, exactly. Pornhub Premium. So everyone's killing bandwidth. And I have an ethernet cable connected.

Starting point is 00:14:44 It's just easiest to set up in the guest. Yeah. I know you have an ethernet connected cable because you called my ass up so I could walk you through setting your motherfucking ethernet up. I know. Thank you. Thank you. Tech support. Yeah. I got to send you a PayPal invoice for Austin, Texas. I'm quite happy to be here right now. My parents are in New York. That worries me. Of course, they're older. They're not in the best of health, but there's only so much one can do. So I want to poke a little bit into it. And if I go too far, you'd let me know. But your dad has been one to want to venture out and go out and think this is not a big deal.

Starting point is 00:15:29 You and I have talked about this privately. Have you convinced him otherwise? Have you convinced him to stay home and avoid? Yeah, he turned the corner. I think this has been a common experience for a lot of folks our age or even younger to understandably have parents who have been through many so-called crises who have been resistant to completely stop all of what they're doing, which I think is a very understandable position. And then you add in the political polarity. And I don't, this is kind of the, I mean, I want to go to, we'll go to greener pastures in a minute. But the point is that he, to his credit, when I was able to separate the politics from the science and talk about the science, he listened to it and he took it seriously. So

Starting point is 00:16:23 I'm perhaps more fortunate than some in that both my parents are taking this very seriously, which is great. It's tough because my mom's going to be 80 this year. And she's living still by herself but assisted in that she has to have someone come by and help her with meal preparation and things like that. She needs care. She can't live on her own anymore, just totally solo and independently. But she's doing well.

Starting point is 00:16:59 And it's tough because I was talking to my sister today and this new stat coming out saying that 20 to 25% of people are asymptomatic and they have no symptoms at all. And I'm like, my mom's like, hey, when are you going to see me? And of course, I have a video with her and stuff like that. But I'm like, OK, well, mom, tomorrow, if the weather is OK, meaning it's not raining in Portland, I'll come over with a mask on and sit six feet away from you and we can have a chat. And, you know, and that will be the way that I interact with my mom. And it's, it's like, it's in a way it's heartbreaking because I have two young kids and they don't get to see grandma and they haven't for weeks now. And, uh, you know, so it's like, it's stressful for everybody out there, man. It's like, it doesn't matter who you are,

Starting point is 00:17:43 you know, it's like, everybody's got something that's, that's weighing on them. Yeah. And then you're, you're locked in the close quarters with your girlfriend and I'm locked in close quarters with my wife. And not to say that's, that's a bad thing, but it's, you know, it's unusual to have that much like straight up one-on-one time. Right. How's, how's that going? It's going well. I think it's like for those people who haven't been to Burning Man, what they say about couples going to Burning Man is it's double or nothing, right? Because you're going to be with each other 24-7. You're going to have all of these additional stresses. And I think we're seeing that now. And we've developed routine. Part of the benefit, if you want to call it that, of having been in quarantine for almost six weeks now, and I have some pre-existing lung issues, so I've been extra careful, but is that we've adopted certain routines and had these emergent habits and rituals that have become really nice, actually, some of them. But certainly, there's more pressure in the container.

Starting point is 00:18:51 So whatever cracks you may have, and everybody has their cracks, are going to be a lot more obvious. Yeah. I was talking to a friend of mine who was saying it's like a magnifying glass that shows you your psychological Achilles heel. So I'm trying to view that as an opportunity, as a real opportunity where if you're at home, if you're in quarantine, putting aside financial considerations, which I know are very real for a lot of people, but many people who are watching this are going to be safe at home. these things that are weaknesses slash unresolved issues slash opportunities that you can start to work on and then will translate to other areas later in your life. And one of the bullets that we had to discuss, which we could certainly talk about, I'll keep drinking, which will give me some liquid personality and higher confidence, which is dangerous. But one of the bullets that you'd shot over, any good books worth reading now? So I'd be curious to start there because I have some thoughts.

Starting point is 00:20:16 Actually, I'll just throw one out there, which is called Already Free. And it's by, I believe, Bruce Tift, T-I-F-T. And I've highlighted so much of this book, it's hard to believe. It's closely related to, and I'm going to mention this book to you already, Kevin, I think the Surrender Experiment or the Michael Singer courses that you've spoken about before. I love Michael Singer stuff. Yeah. Yeah. But this book Already Free has been quite impactful for me and puts a lot in perspective. So that's one book that I've been thinking more about also as I sit at home and cannot escape myself. There are only so many things you can do to distract and busy yourself within the square footage of your house.

Starting point is 00:21:22 But what other books, this is not for you related to the psychological stuff, what other books do you think are perhaps helpful to read? And what are you reading? Well, I think there's two that come to mind. One is definitely that a lot of people have had that are fortunate enough, not everyone is in this position, but that are fortunate enough to transition to online work, are having to deal with a whole new set of tools and a whole new way of working. So Jason Freed, who I've had on my podcast, have you had him on your podcast? Have you had Freed on yet? I have, yeah, about a year and a half, two years ago. Very smart guy. Just brilliant. He was way ahead of his time in writing the book, um, remote, and he has a couple

Starting point is 00:22:05 other books about remote and distributed culture that are fantastic. Um, definitely check out the book remote from him. If you have a small business and you're looking to transition to more remote, or you yourself are going through this, it's a great one to recommend to your boss or to read yourself. Um, that one is definitely at the top of my list for people. We have 300 entrepreneurs that are founders at True Ventures. And so that's definitely one that I'm recommending to a lot of them. Boglehead's Guide to Investing, I think, is another great one. And I know it's tough to talk about investing in times like this. But if you look back historically, the best time to place bets, and that can be literally tens of dollars, because there's such beautiful things now that exist,

Starting point is 00:22:54 such as fractional share ownership, like apps like Square Cash and Robinhood and others allow you to buy just a fraction of a share. If you can't afford, say, a $300 share, pick any major big company out there. So John Bogle, who's since passed away, is the founder of Vanguard, and he was a big fan of index investing, and so is actually Warren Buffett. And so index investing is not picking individual stocks,

Starting point is 00:23:25 but buying a market, say like the S&P 500 or an index of the bond market. And it really has been proven to be one of the best, most reliable ways to invest and outperform hedge funds long-term. It's like John Bogle, the creator of Vanguard, was really the pioneer in coming up with this concept and creating the mutual fund, index fund mutual funds way back in the day. Anyway, that guide, Bogle Heads, his last name is Bogle and his fans are called Bogle Heads.

Starting point is 00:23:59 So it's a B-O-G-L-E Heads Guide to Investing. I think it's a fantastic book and will introduce you to the concept of index investing, which is really tried and true and the best way to go. And it's definitely something that was, I read probably a decade ago and continue to reread every few years. Yeah, Joel Greenblatt's books are also quite good. I think it's like the little blue book of investing, a little green book, Joel

Starting point is 00:24:30 Greenblatt. And I think he once said to me, I don't think I'm talking out of school by saying this, but that you should effectively read his books in the opposite order they were published. So read from the most recent to the oldest. The oldest talks a lot about event-based investing, which is very, very interesting. Exactly. Somebody, I, Siegel, How to Be a Stock Market Genius. Terrible title on some level, kind of like the four-hour workweek. Excellent, excellent, excellent book. And I second Bogle as a recommendation. You know what I've been paying a lot of attention to, Kevin, because it's like in bear markets, bull markets, domestic, international,

Starting point is 00:25:14 what has outperformed almost every other asset class. Can you guess? Don't say real estate. I hope you're saying... Porn ETFs. Yeah, that's all you. You're big into that and the marijuana stocks. Yeah. I'm 50, 50 porn, porn,

Starting point is 00:25:31 porn, marijuana portfolio right there. Yeah. You should post that online. Rule number one of investing. Never underestimate human vice. Uh, that's not true.

Starting point is 00:25:41 That's a lie. So what are we going to say? What was it? No, that was it. It was just a layup for a setup for a joke. I will say, though, on the investing front, that no matter what, everyone who is listening to this or watching this right now, I think should think of themselves as investors because you have resources.

Starting point is 00:26:11 You have, say, time. You have energy. You have hours. You have capital. And you choose how to allocate those resources. If you have to choose, and you do, and not choosing is also a decision, you are an investor, right? And you're looking for a result or a return on investment from allocating those different resources. So you can really think like an investor, even if you don't have much

Starting point is 00:26:39 disposable income at the moment or no income. You can still think of yourself as an investor and hone the thinking, the types of thinking and the process of good investors. And that's where these books, I think, are very interesting. I read a lot of these books, books by Bogle, books by Joel Greenblatt. I read his books when I had absolutely fuck all. I had nothing, nothing. And it's been like a slow simmer with that in the background for a long time. And now, very fortunately, you and I are in positions where we can utilize it, but we prepared in a sense beforehand. I mean. I was reading books on investing when I had not a penny to my name. And this is, I think, a good time to, even if you don't have money to invest, to read about investing and to paper trade. And there are probably apps that allow you to do this very easily. But to effectively say, all right, let's pretend that I have $1,000 right now or $10,000.

Starting point is 00:27:48 Where would I put that money? And you make a record of where you've committed hypothetically to put that money. And then you look at the performance over time. And you can look at why you were or if you were right, if you were wrong, to what degree you were right or wrong, and why you think you were right or wrong. Bitcoin, you're more of a crypto expert than I am. I know very little of crypto, but I do think it's important to emphasize that the way you end up being a good investor, from my perspective, is by thinking a lot about the types of decision making that makes a good investor before you actually start allocating

Starting point is 00:28:33 money to things. Does that make sense? Yeah. And I really like what you said around thinking about how to invest your own time during times like this as well. I have two examples of that. One, I know someone that is working part-time, still has a little bit of income, but doesn't have the other portion of their income, and is now going to take online classes as far as they can go to become a nurse. And he said, this is the perfect time to do that.

Starting point is 00:29:04 And I know someone else that's laid off and that was like, hey, where's the best coding school that I can learn how to code? And it was like, now's the time. I'm going to be collecting unemployment for the next few months. There's not going to be any crazy great job opportunities, but I want to learn how to code.

Starting point is 00:29:18 And I know that that can be done in six months' time. Right? So now's a great time to invest in, in yourself in some sense. Do you want to talk about, I know you put this in your newsletter recently, maybe today, treehouse, other options, where should people go? Yeah. I mean, there's, there's a ton of options out there. I, I hesitate. Lambda school. There's, I'm reading comments. People are like, Tim Ferriss is multitasking. I'm reading your goddamn comments.

Starting point is 00:29:48 No, it's great, actually. If people want to post them in the comments, yeah, FreeCodeCamp, there's a ton. I hesitate to recommend Treehouse because I'm an investor there. It is a high-quality product, but there's a lot of free ones out there. Evan's talking his book.

Starting point is 00:30:02 He's talking his book. Don't listen to that guy. You know what I mean? We get in trouble anytime we say anything like that. But the Code Academy is another great one. There's a lot of them. Here's what I would say.

Starting point is 00:30:13 This is the real talk. Go out there, sign up for three of them, and figure out which ones you like. Take a couple classes on each one and be like, this instructor is speaking to me more than another one. I'm going to go with this one. And maybe it's a paid one, and maybe it's a free one. Who knows? But try a few. YouTube is also, honestly, just incredible. I know a number of

Starting point is 00:30:36 people who've gotten really up to speed on everything from virology to options trading on YouTube. And these are really smart people. And they've found some of the best options for free on YouTube. Turns out that YouTube is a popular thing. Yeah, I know. I've heard of it. I've heard of it. I've heard of that YouTube.

Starting point is 00:31:00 A little late to the party. I love the comments like, yes, Tim, thank you. YouTube, yes. Love YouTube. Everybody loves YouTube, Tim. Good rec. Yep. You're welcome.

Starting point is 00:31:11 I am the bleeding edge of new technology. Good Lord. What else would you find helpful to read right now, Kevin? Honestly, man. What are you reading? I'm not reading. I'm not reading. What I'm doing right now is listening to podcasts about the coronavirus.

Starting point is 00:31:34 I think that Peter Attia has converted his podcast, The Drive, into a fantastic resource for the latest research on coronavirus, what we should be doing, what happens if you come down with it. What, what, you know, I mean, we all have our little, actually this, I don't know if you're comfortable sharing like your medical, like, what would you do if you, did we talk about that or no? Did people want to hear that? Like, what would I do if what, if you came down with it? Like, what would you, cause it's medical advice, right? Dangerous territory. Yeah. I think if we were to give both, and we're not giving investment advice, we're not registered investment advisors. But I think if we wanted to make this the perfect Venn diagram of unnecessary liability that we could talk about medical, but

Starting point is 00:32:21 I think it'd be irresponsible. I will say this, that I am optimistic. I'm bullish about therapeutics for coronavirus. In other words, treatments that will not necessarily cure, so to speak, but mitigate the severity of COVID-19. I'm less optimistic about vaccine development. Well, at least in the short term, obviously. There's nothing that can happen. Short term meaning 12 to 18 months. Yeah, exactly. 12 months would be a miracle. Yeah, it'd be a world

Starting point is 00:32:54 record. It could be. I mean, who knows, right? I mean, the U.S. If we're talking about the U.S., and this is really a global issue, but the U.S. is going to be the largest hotspot in the world. Oh, dude, it already is. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:10 No, I'm just saying like, it's going to be, we were looking at maps before we started recording. Yeah. And you're like, this is going to look like the Verizon. It does. It looks like the Verizon availability chart. Like the US map does. It's ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:33:24 Yeah. I mean, we're going to be all red. So I'm optimistic. Why do you think that is? I have my suspicions, but I'm curious why you think that is. And we don't have to, let's not talk about Trump. Don't blame the thing. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Starting point is 00:33:41 I don't think it has anything to do. I mean, I think it has actually very little to do with Trump. We're not going to be all red. I take it back. We're going to be red based on how the maps are represented because they make the red States, even New York kind of swallows the entire northeast. So there's a challenge, kind of Edward Tufte say, in the short-term Miami, New Orleans, etc. But if you look at the kinetics of the disease in, say, Washington compared to New York, it's very, very different based on many factors. Well, if you look at the R-naught, right? If you look at the replication of the virus, it's very different based on population density and the dynamics.

Starting point is 00:34:52 Yeah, of course. I mean, it has to be, right? And that's why I wouldn't expect, for instance, I wouldn't expect South Dakota to be a huge hotspot. Right, right, I get that. Idaho's not going to be massive, right? Yeah. So there will be, in some respects, firebreaks between places that could be hotspots.

Starting point is 00:35:12 And my expectation a few weeks ago was that because the US is loathe to impose any strict type of geographic lockdown, that from New York, the places that would explode would be where all the second homes are from people who are escaping New York. In other words, Nantucket, Martha's Vineyard, Connecticut, upstate New York, Long Island, and Florida. Right. And then you have event-based jumps in cases such as spring break based in Florida, plus then in the returning students, say, to Texas, 44 cases, I believe, yesterday.

Starting point is 00:35:52 And then you have Mardi Gras, New Orleans. So I'm extremely happy that South By didn't happen in Austin. Yeah, thanks for helping push that. That was huge. Yeah, my pleasure. I shouldn't have got a lot of shit for it at the time, but I felt pretty confident in the data. But we're talking a lot about COVID. Probably, I should say I'm more optimistic now than I was four weeks ago about how the US can recover reasonably quickly. And recover is not the

Starting point is 00:36:39 right word. What I mean is implement a phased approach to reintroducing people to jobs and economic activity. So here's my three-step plan, if you will. Oh, Kevin's three-step plan. Well, number one, we need to be testing anyone and everyone. So I have a nanny that helps with our two kids. She got extremely sick, had chest issues where she couldn't breathe, fever, the whole gamut. Like everything that you would check as a box of like, okay, you have it, right? She's been home now for a week and a half.

Starting point is 00:37:17 She went to the emergency room two days ago in Portland, Oregon, and they would not test her because she didn't walk in with a fever. She didn't have an active fever. We have to be insanely aggressive about testing. That's one. Number two, people that have recovered, we need antibody tests and they need to say, I've been recovered and can return to work. We need to know who those people are and give them the green light to go back and help start things up again. Right. Like, I think that's insanely important. And we also like, one of the things that we need to be good at is like really, and this is going to be more important six, eight months from now is really when we do see a flare up,

Starting point is 00:37:56 like do that contact tracing and really telling people to lock down because it's just not just going to go away. Like it's going to keep, we're gonna have flare up after flare up after flare up. We have to make sure that we're really aggressive about contact tracing and making sure that people stay home if they've been in contact with someone that's infected. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:38:16 I've, I've been on text and the phone quite a bit today with two different groups who are developing digital contact tracing technologies. And there are already a number of apps that have been developed, for instance, in Singapore that work very well.

Starting point is 00:38:37 And Singapore is kind of like New Zealand in the sense that it's pretty small. It's self-contained. And it makes for a good laboratory. So I am optimistic that if there are phased steps put in place with enforcement,

Starting point is 00:38:57 that is in all caps, with enforcement, and penalties for those who do not comply. Did you see them beating people with sticks in India to stay inside? That was crazy. We could never do that in the United States.

Starting point is 00:39:10 They were literally like dudes on scooters hitting people with rods to stay inside. Yeah. As much as I would like to do that, there are criminal penalties. And Nepal, similar story. There's something to be said about that, though, man. They get people to stay in. And it wasn't like they were beating them more like they're breaking bones.

Starting point is 00:39:31 It's just like a bad spanking. It's weird, but... I mean, a really bad spanking. These are like bo staffs. But the X factor for me is a non-compliant population in the United States. By design and by cultural evolution, a defiant, disobedient population. see how a politically divided country is able to implement or not implement strict basically i mean the less strict we are in the next month or two the longer this is going to last

Starting point is 00:40:19 sure right and Sure. Right. And you have a lot of perverse incentives involved with, say, folks who are hoping for re-election. And if it's a short-term re-election, they're willing to make compromises for public health in order to at least appear as though they're attempting to reinvigorate the economy to serve their political interests, which is disgusting, but totally understandable. And really, I think a lot of it has to come, and I don't know if it can illegally, at least at this point, from the federal level. There have to be really, really strict penalties for violation of breaking, say, home quarantine or isolation rules. In Korea, it escalated from like $4,000 to $8,000 US and the equivalent in Wuhan. In, where was it? Someplace, I can't recall. Maybe the Philippines.

Starting point is 00:41:24 Maybe the Philippines. Actually, I can pull it up here. Let me tell you. It said that those who violate the lockdown orders could be shot. That's a little hardcore for us, Tim, here in the States. Yeah, Philippines. Philippines president says violators of lockdown measures could be shot. I'm not saying that's a little much. Yeah, China, Shenzhen also

Starting point is 00:41:45 banned cat and dog meat consumption. That's a separate story. Chat says Spain fines up to $30,000. I don't know if that's dollars or not. I do think that without punishment slash rewards

Starting point is 00:42:01 that a lot of this is wishful thinking. UK is 30 pounds, as somebody said. Yeah, 30 pounds. It's a fucking joke. I mean, come on. What do you do on the food front? Do you have a freezer full of shit,

Starting point is 00:42:16 or what are you doing? Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm fully... Like bison and shit. You have crazy meats. Yeah, I have axis deer. I've got venison. I knew it. I knew that.

Starting point is 00:42:27 I have hundreds of pounds of meat and everything I could possibly need. Yeah, people are saying that's Joe Rogan style is what people said in the comments. Yeah, Rogan's got his elk. I've got my axis deer. People are asking what type of wine glasses this is It's called Zalto Z-A-L-T-O Oh you got the fancy shit I've got whatever these Costco

Starting point is 00:42:52 Bumbling idiot Uncoordinated person wine glasses are Without the stem That's my jam Those are easy Easy cleaning Just throw those in the dishwasher. Let's see.

Starting point is 00:43:07 Let me look at some questions. Tim, do you live in a high-rise or a house? I live in a house. Tim, please chug your wine, said Ikari123. I'm not going to chug my wine. No, thank you. I'm no longer 18. Is now an ideal time to adopt a dog?

Starting point is 00:43:24 I would actually like to speak to this for a second. A lot of people are adopting dogs just as an excuse to be able to get outside. That's actually something that's been seen in New York City, for instance, where lots of people are adopting dogs who I am not convinced have a long-term intention of keeping said dogs. That fucking bothers me having grown up on long island where city people no offense to manhattanites would come out adopt a dog for the summer just to keep their kids occupied and then put their dog back in the pound at the end of the summer and that in my opinion is fucked i think you are morally corrupt if you do such things so is it the ideal time to adopt a dog if you're going to keep that dog and you're going to make your life fit around the dog, not the other around, then I would say consider it. Otherwise, don't be a selfish prick. When you return to work, if you're leaving your dog at home for extended periods of time, that's not cool. They need interaction and love and attention, all that good stuff.

Starting point is 00:44:23 Question for you, Kevin. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on this. So investing question, Betterment slash Wealthfront versus investing straight in Vanguard. Yeah, I mean, that's hard. Well, I'm an investor in Wealthfront, and I put that out in my newsletter today. I mentioned that. Yeah, me too.

Starting point is 00:44:37 You're an investor as well. I am as well. So I think, honestly, though, I have used Betterment. I think it's a great product. I think Wealthfront's great too. I like the risk parity part that Wealthfront offers. And I've used Vanguard as well, just straight-up Vanguard to buy stuff, and it's fine.

Starting point is 00:44:54 So I would say research them all and do whatever you're comfortable with. That is the most lawyer response ever. Well, dude, I don't want to... It's self-serving to say, go use Wealthfront. I love them. That's why I invested. I think it's a great product. What do you like about them?

Starting point is 00:45:09 It's the risk parity. What does that mean? It's a fancy thing that really expensive hedge funds use to get better returns and they offer it to their clients, which is normally not something you would get unless you had a lot of money to invest.

Starting point is 00:45:25 And I love that they are taking that and dropping that down and making it more accessible to, to most people. So that's, um, yeah, they do a lot of the, um,

Starting point is 00:45:33 uh, harvesting tax lost harvesting, which I think in, so does betterment, which is great. It's just that these robo advisors are so much smarter than your traditional, like, um,

Starting point is 00:45:43 classic advisor. You call on the phone that's going to make changes for you once a year or twice a year. They're optimizing using algorithms for taxes and a whole slew of different things. So forget the fact that we're saying we both invest in a wealth front. A robo-advisor in general is going to be a better performing advisor for you than the most individual advisors that are out there. A couple of questions. Mulligan26, coping advice with single room quarantine for two weeks. Single room. Oh my God. Yeah. I would say exercise, number one. Wine. For sure, wine. It's on the list.

Starting point is 00:46:23 And that then leads to Grambury. Tim, what's your favorite bodyweight workout routine? Gymnastic body or gymnastic bodies. That's Coach Summer. Christopher Summer, S-O-M-M-E-R. His program is just fantastic.

Starting point is 00:46:39 I highly recommend. Yeah, let's talk about working out for a sec because I think that's a good one. A lot of people are turning towards that. I will say two things. One, I'm not an investor in this company, so I can say this freely, uh, fit bod I've been using lately. Uh, if you have free weights at home or you're just doing body weight workouts, they have a great app. I, I know it's on iOS. I don't know if it's in Android. I think it is. It's called fit BOD. Um, I've been using that for my free weights that I have

Starting point is 00:47:06 here at the house. Peloton is my main form of cardiovascular exercise, and they also have other classes. And they're actually giving away 90 days of their app as well, which is a whole slew of- Disclosure. What? I own Peloton stock, and so do you. Do you? No, I don't. But I'm looking at it very closely, but I do not yet own Peloton stock. And so do you. Do you? No, I don't. I'm looking at it very closely, but I do not yet own Peloton. They have actually sponsored your podcast, which you didn't mention, which I'm a little offended by. That's true. Peloton has sponsored my podcast. I have one upstairs. I do love me my Peloton.

Starting point is 00:47:39 I got you into that. Yeah, you did. You did. You totally did. You and Mark Benioff got me into Peloton. I love how the Peloton story about, so Tim was like, I'm not going to tell you my Peloton account because I wanted to race you, right? Because you can do these racing things. And you're like, I'm not giving you my username, blah, blah, blah. And I emailed your assistant and I was like, hey, I just want to check on Tim's username for his Peloton account because I to like friend him up or whatever. And she sent me your login information with your password. Do you remember that? I do. I was very unhappy about that.

Starting point is 00:48:15 I told you, I remember I was like, Tim, do not fire her. Do not be upset. She didn't know, but she sent me your entire Pel-unlocking information. Fucking social engineering layup. Just like casual walk down the court and lay up. I love it. Good lord. I'm looking at some of these. Yeah, we're looking at comments coming in.

Starting point is 00:48:38 Three fiction books you would gift to each other. That's a good question. Martin Sangi. Three fiction books. Well, I know Kevin can't spell, so I assume his reading level is probably sixth or seventh grade. So based on that, first of all, I have a learning disability. Oh, stop. Don't even pull. What is your learning disability? Lazy spelling? No, I'm just not a good speller I've had issues, sometimes I get the letters swapped and I love Grammarly

Starting point is 00:49:09 Grammarly is a great product, it helps me out there but I'm just saying, if you want to make fun of people with learning disabilities, I get it like but that's it, no, real talk though I always have had a little bit of an issue with that it's nothing I can memorize it's a brain thing

Starting point is 00:49:24 something's up there. I think you just type with your knuckles on your iPhone. But we can take this offline. So Exhalation, by the way, Exhalation, 100% agree. Yes. Fantastic series of short fiction books that are amazing.

Starting point is 00:49:41 Highly recommend. So good. Exhalation is outrageously good. Another one, is outrageously good. Another one, if you haven't read it, I think everyone should read Dune by Frank Herbert. It's just one of the best world-building

Starting point is 00:49:57 fiction books of all time. Darya is my wife's favorite. It's so good. If you want to basically learn, let's just say 90% of the lessons of leadership my wife's favorites. It's so good. If you want to basically learn, let's just say, 90% of the lessons of leadership that you would get from reading a hundred

Starting point is 00:50:12 of the best business books, nonfiction on leadership, just read Dune. It's so good. I love that book. I do a lot of Audible. Is it good on Audible? I'm sure it's good. It'll just take you like six years. It's a long book. I started Sh that on. I do a lot of Audible. Is it good on Audible? I'm sure it's good. It'll just take you like six years.

Starting point is 00:50:27 It's a long book. I started Shogun on Audible. It's like, you will complete this in four and a half years. Yeah, Shogun's also incredible. Super long. It's so far so good, man. It's amazing. Yeah, Shogun is also exceptional.

Starting point is 00:50:44 I would say, what else would you recommend for fiction? I mean, I've been getting back into fiction. I think fiction is very medicinal. It has a therapeutic value during times like this. I really do. I'm reading a book called Little Big, Little, Big right now, which is a difficult read. The prose is so beautiful, but it requires concentration. And if you can commit to 50 pages of it, you will probably buy in, but it's an effort. It's not as easy to read as say Kurt Vonnegut or like Cat's Cradle by Kurt Vonnegut, right? It's just an incredible book. It's easy to read. He's hilarious. That's an easy fiction book to read. When do you dive into something like that? What gives you the space

Starting point is 00:51:38 mentally? Because like for me, if I'm doing some fiction, it's very casual. I've had a glass of wine. I'm chilling. Daria doesn't have anything else to do. I put in my AirPods and I just zone out a little bit. It's just fun, but I don't want to be really thinking serious about something. When do you do that? You know, recently, this is just in the last handful of days, I've been reading a little big. Whenever I feel anxious and as though I can't stop in the sense that if I have a to-do list in front of me of things I've somehow convinced myself are of great importance and I can't stop and I need to rush to lunch or whatever it might be, that to me is a signal of scarcity and faulty thinking.

Starting point is 00:52:34 So today, for instance, I did this. I took two breaks and just read for 10 or 15 minutes as a way to calm my nerves. And I've been using it that way. This book, Little Big, also is one of those books where, for instance, if you read The Baron in the Trees by Italo Calvino, which is an incredible book, The Baron in the Trees, there are only a handful of characters. So you can stop reading the book for a week, pick it back up, and you're fine. Little Big big is so complex and there's so many characters and there's a really difficult family tree involved that you cannot put this book down for a week you'll be totally fucking lost so you really have to read a little bit every day. Which right now, for me, I like.

Starting point is 00:53:28 I like that there's that incentive to read a little bit. I typically hate those types of books. Like Game of Thrones, you're like, okay, they're introducing the 42nd character, and you're like, okay, who are you again? Dave, I can't even say this, Dave

Starting point is 00:53:44 Inksoncy, something like that, recommended Zorba the Greek. I think Zorba the Greek is a fantastic book. That is actually a great book to read right now because it really contrasts this type A control freak with this freewheeling Epicurean Zorba. That is a great, great, great book. I would say, I would suggest somebody just said that TJ Rivera doing is excellent on audible, which I would fucking, because it's such a class,

Starting point is 00:54:13 such a classic fear is the mind killer. Yes. The Bennett Jezreel litany against fear. I've got a, I've got a question for you, Tim, that now that we're a couple of glasses deep, or I think are you,

Starting point is 00:54:24 have you drank two glasses or no? Yeah, I'd say so. I'm about, yeah, three quarters of a bottle gone. So I'd say yes. All right. So I'm curious, like you mentioned a minute ago about, you know, when you need a break to go and, and read this book, right? Like, like stress kind of thing. What is. What's bothering you? Because I think most people watching this would think, you've got it all, very successful, plenty of money, like held up, plenty of bison. Like what is it?

Starting point is 00:54:57 But like really, what is it that's like, what's getting under your skin? Like what's bothering you these days? Yeah, well, that presupposes that I know what it is that's bothering me. Interesting. So I would say... Plenty of ayahuasca journeys to even things out a little bit. Yeah. Don't do that. Don't do that. I mean, we could talk about that. We could talk about that if you like, but ayahuasca is a big gun. I don't recommend that for everyone.

Starting point is 00:55:31 I actually recommend it for a very, very small percentage of people. But this period of time and this amount of uncertainty and the heightened fear that many people are feeling, I think, brings to the forefront whatever it is that you haven't dealt with, whatever it is you haven't processed. And I spent much of my life numbing myself and turning off sensitivities in the last few years have entailed me turning back on many sensitivities. And I think fundamentally, I'm a very sensitive person. And that doesn't mean that I'm easily offended. I mean, sensitive like an instrument, like a jewelry scale versus a body weight scale. And the... It's interesting you mention that. I've noticed that about you, dude, to be honest.

Starting point is 00:56:28 I've known you for a while now, quite a while. You've known me for more than a decade. Yeah, and I would say that when I first met you, you were very hardened, and you softened a lot, and you become more fragile. And I mean that in a way of like, it's actually a stronger position to be in. Someone that can actually talk about what's going on.

Starting point is 00:56:55 And that wasn't the case 10 years ago. Definitely was not the case 10 years ago. Yeah, I appreciate you saying that, man. It's a beautiful thing. I feel like I've kind of gone through a similar transformation so it's you definitely have you definitely have i've i've become more porous and permeable in so much as i've taken a lot of armor off and armor is helpful in some ways in the sense that it keeps things out. It also keeps a lot trapped within. When you take the armor off, then you're exposed to more.

Starting point is 00:57:32 And so perhaps 10 years ago, the weight of the world and all these deaths and all the unemployment wouldn't have affected me very much, but it's affected me a lot in the last few weeks and uh so i think there's a a mourning period that i'm going through that has been very emotionally difficult i'm not worried about me personally right like financially who the fuck cares? I mean, and I say that in such a way very deliberately because if I were to try to spin some type of woe is me story,

Starting point is 00:58:12 it would be so fucking absurd that I would want you, Kevin, to slap me through the fucking internet because you and I are both very, very fortunate. And we've also worked very hard and made some good decisions, but we've also had a lot of luck. A ton of luck. A ton of luck. And so, I am in a good position. I'm in a good position to help my family, but the stuff that is being brought up is largely things I can't identify. These are things from my past, things from my childhood, probably, that are causing a level of anxiety in the face of uncertainty that has no basis in my current security. Does that make sense? I'm not worried about my food. But nonetheless, I have this high level of anxiety at times.

Starting point is 00:59:11 Last few days have been quite good. I've actually felt pretty good the last few days. But there are these moments when I'll go to bed, I'm exhausted. At the end of every day, these days, I'm completely spent. And I'll go to bed and I'll lay in bed and all of a sudden I'm tired and wired. And my mind is just producing a million thoughts a second that are all kind of anxiety driven. And I don't have an explanation for it. I just don't have a clean... And that itself has to drive more anxiety, right? Because you're like, why can't I figure out what it is that's bothering me? Yeah, yeah, totally.

Starting point is 00:59:50 So I... The thing... Yeah, no, please. I was just going to say that since you're sharing all this, the thing that worries me the most is, one, I think it's hard because I see my sister not having the work that she used to. And so that's challenging. And I see her struggles with her. She's a single mom and she is trying to raise some teenager now at home. And it's challenging, you know, working, like being a teacher at home now.

Starting point is 01:00:28 And my mom, who is 80 now. So those things are both weighing on me. But I would say, honestly, like the thing that scares me most is not me getting this or not me getting sick from it. Because, you know, random people our age do die from this, right? It's like, it's kind of weird like that. Like, you know, it's like you think you're fine. And then, you know, you're 40. It's like you think you're fine, and then

Starting point is 01:00:45 I'm 42, and I get hit, or 43, and I get hit, and I'm just dead, right? It is happening. So I'm not scared of dying at all, actually. I'm scared of not seeing and being able to talk to my girls when they're going to need it most, like through their formative years. And I think that is the thing that at my core, I just like, I love my girls so much. I wouldn't want to, to miss out on that. And so that it's not the death part. It's the, it's, it's that part. So it's, it's hard. It's like, we all have these things that are kind of like hanging over our heads, you know, it's, it's difficult. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:01:25 What have you found helpful? Oh, gosh. Well, a half bottle of wine definitely helps. I would say helpful is... Might have to make this a weekly thing. This could be our weekly therapy. Honestly, helpful, first and foremost, without a doubt is, and this is Mr. Rogers definitely said it best. I mentioned this in my newsletter, like anything that is human is

Starting point is 01:01:52 mentionable and anything that is mentionable is manageable. And that is so true. Like if you can just talk about it with your spouse, with your friend, with anyone that you can try and create a social connection with and just be like, this is what I'm going through. Just getting that off your chest is just like brings you down. It doesn't get you back to where you want to be, like perfect and happy and so stoked. But it does bring you down a couple notches. And we just have to remember to do that every few days.

Starting point is 01:02:20 Where did you get that quote? It's Mr. Rogers. No, I know it's fucking Mr. Rogers, but was it from the documentary about him or was it from the Tom Hanks version? Was it from something else? It was from the Tom Hanks version, which I loved. And I went and then did a research

Starting point is 01:02:36 to actually make sure it was from him and not just like Hollywood. And it did come from him. So the Tom Hanks movie was phenomenal. It's available for rent now. You can get it on Amazon. You can get it on iTunes. It's a great movie. It's not Tiger King, or the Tiger King's pretty great. Hey, we should talk about this. Let's move into what are we watching?

Starting point is 01:02:57 Hold on. Before we get to Tiger King, so somebody suggested, or they just mentioned, How to Stop Worrying and Start Living. That's a Dale Carnegie book that is fucking fantastic. I could not recommend it more. It has very literal title as do many Dale Carnegie books. But How to Stop Worrying and Start Living is actually an exceptional, exceptional book. So I would suggest. That's awesome. We got to create a, well, we book. So I would suggest. That's awesome.

Starting point is 01:03:27 We got to create a, well, we're saving the video for this. So I guess we can do some show notes and stuff for all the stuff we talked about and posted online. Yeah. So you were about to bring up what? What we're watching? Yeah. What are we watching lately? What are people watching these days?

Starting point is 01:03:41 In terms of like favorite, Tiger King is like my favorite thing right now i'm on episode three yep so we'll get into that real quick a buchi says the people are saying ego conscious maybe underlying the anxiety that's not accurate i don't actually fear death which may be from taking too many psychedelic compounds. But that's not it. It's something else. So TBD. But let's see here.

Starting point is 01:04:11 People are saying Ozark, by the way. Is that how you say it? Ozark? I have heard multiple people. It's on season three now. If that's right, people will correct me in the chat. Is it awesome? People are saying Ozark is awesome.

Starting point is 01:04:27 Ozark is incredible. Tiger King was good. I found the animal treatment depressing, so I stopped after two episodes. I may continue, but that hasn't been my go-to. You told me your go-to. Yeah, but maybe I haven't passed the point of no return with Tiger King.

Starting point is 01:04:48 It is so strange as to be compelling. I get that. Daria won't watch it with me. I'm watching it solo. I sit in bed with my iPad and I watch it. She will not watch it with me. She missed the first episode and then she's like, I don't want to watch something dumb. And I'm like eh it's dumb

Starting point is 01:05:06 But it's kind of good You know It's like The three person marriage With that one young guy Looking like he was fucking That was the best It was so good

Starting point is 01:05:19 And then she definitely fed her husband to the tigers It's I mean that seems to be at least the way that the producers wanted to show. Yeah, I mean, that's pretty crazy. People are saying Formula One. What is Formula One? Formula One is Peter Attia's favorite thing ever. Yeah, racing, race cars. But is it a documentary that people are talking about or like,

Starting point is 01:05:47 Oh, I don't know. I assume that it's some kind of like sky. Yes. F1 on Netflix. I don't get it guys. I'm sorry. Like I,

Starting point is 01:05:54 I can appreciate how difficult it is. I can appreciate how the Mercedes team spends like 500 million a year. I can appreciate all of that, but like, I don't actually know how to discern the skill from watching these cars go around in circles. But here's the interesting thing. People are saying that this is so amazing.

Starting point is 01:06:13 Like everyone's saying Formula One, F1, F1. If it's a documentary, why not watch an episode of it? That sounds like... I'm not into it either. Watch the documentary Senna. S-E-N-N-A. It's fucking fantastic. It's so good.

Starting point is 01:06:30 Highly recommended. I don't know. People aren't saying that. They're saying Formula One in the chat. Oh, they don't know what they're talking about. If they actually follow F1, then they would agree with Senna. Peter Attia, so his favorite driver of all time is Ayrton Senna. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:06:48 And the documentary is just fantastic. I highly, highly recommend. What else are you watching besides Tiger King? I don't watch it. We don't watch TV. We don't watch... Oh, stop it. No, I'm being dead serious.

Starting point is 01:07:02 We don't... If people really want to know the real me, I will tell you the truth. We don't watch any TV. I love NBA. I watch basketball. If my team is doing well, which is the Green Bay Packers, I will watch some football, even though I'm kind of conflicted there because of the head injury stuff.

Starting point is 01:07:19 And I would say that I watch movies. If I watched the new Star Wars, I thought it was great. I don't know why people hated on it. I didn't watch it in the theater. I just watched it when it came out. You know, I rented it and thought it was amazing. But we're not huge TV people. You watching the chat?

Starting point is 01:07:36 TV. Yes, I'm watching this chat. TV. What the fuck are you talking about TV? It's not like you have coaxial cables coming out into some shit. No, I have YouTube TV. I use that as my main TV. I don't have any more.

Starting point is 01:07:49 Do you watch basketball and movies? That's very ungratifying. What movies do you watch? Dude, basketball is amazing, by the way. It's like one of the best sports out there. And movies, I would say I watched Contagion recently, which is, have you not seen Contagion? Uplifting, yeah, right.

Starting point is 01:08:04 Have you seen it? I have seen Contagion, yesplifting, yeah. Have you seen it? I have seen Contagion, yes. Yeah, it's really scary. No, but it's really crazy how it's so, it's kind of like what's happening right now. It's kind of nuts. But yeah, I mean, if there's an occasional movie that comes out that is awesome, I'll put it on.

Starting point is 01:08:22 I'm watching The Amazing Mrs. Maisel. Yes. You were trying to get me to watch that a couple weeks ago. I think it's hilarious. It's great. And that is our weekday, meaning my girlfriend and I watch this on weekdays. We differentiate between weekdays and weekends. You guys are so crazy.

Starting point is 01:08:44 You have so many rules. It's super helpful. Tell them about how you can't talk about COVID for more than a certain number of hours. Well, no. I mean, I think this is a good rule, actually. So it's been difficult to enforce, but I try, and it's been encouraged very strongly, to not talk about COVID after dinner hours.

Starting point is 01:09:12 And we have dinner together almost every night, and we light a candle. It's very romantic. We open the sliding doors so we can hear some of the sounds from nature. Usually, this is around, say, 6.30, 7 o'clock. Tonight is an exception because I'm getting shit-faced with Kevin on the internet with our however many thousand closest friends. And so that's one guideline that we haven't been following very closely. But actually, it's been better in the last few weeks.

Starting point is 01:09:45 Because I was so early on this that I feel like I've distributed my anxiety to her evenly over a long period of time. You were on the phone with me and you're like, I can't talk about COVID. I'm past the hour. I'm past the time when I'm supposed to be talking about it. I was like, what are you talking about, dude?

Starting point is 01:10:05 I have the rules. I think it's very reasonable of my girlfriend to not want me to talk about fucking COVID past a certain hour. But we often exercise in the morning. That's one ritual. We also then have dinner tonight or not tonight, but almost every night together. Someone asked about best meal made during quarantine. We really like butternut, not butternut. I always say that spaghetti squash, which can be cleaned.

Starting point is 01:10:38 It can be disinfected very easily. The rind is thick plus ground axis deer plus plus tomato sauce garlic oregano and a few other things it's fucking amazing sounds great oh it's so good it's just unbelievably good so that that's one uh then the differentiation between weekdays and weekends, I think is actually quite important because when every day can be Groundhog Day, it is psychologically a reprieve when you can delineate or provide break points and sort of open chapter, closed chapter on a weekly basis. So for us, that means that on the weekends, we watch movies or we watch something that is not our primary weekday series, which currently is The Amazing Mrs. Maisel. So last weekend, for instance, we binge watched some of season two of Westworld. And there are a number

Starting point is 01:11:41 of documentaries that we may end up watching, but we'll reserve the Amazing Mrs. Maisel for weekdays. And it's been helpful. It's just helpful in a world of uncertainty to have rules and certainty related to certain things. And I'm sure that some folks will find that ridiculous. I'm sure some will find it very helpful. I think you said it. We find it helpful. I think what you said around it being Groundhog Day rings true for a lot of people in that because we are all quarantined, it is kind of the same thing over and over again.

Starting point is 01:12:23 And one of the things that Daria, my wife like said was like, I want to like, last night was our seven year wedding anniversary. And she's like, man, thank you. And she was like, I want to dress up. Like I want to like, I know we're sitting across from each other at home, but I want to put on something really nice. And I'm like, okay, same here. Like I'm I'm gonna put down like a nice button-down shirt and like do it proper because like you know it's you kind of have to like say let's not just fall into the same thing every single time and I think a schedule could help with with things like that you know like to change it up a bit yeah so what do you guys do you got you took off your underoos your onesie and you got dressed up what do you guys do for your anniversary which is fucking crazy by the way it shows you how long we've known each other

Starting point is 01:13:12 yeah i because that doesn't seem that long ago and i remember being at the wedding seven years that's i know that's i know that's It's crazy. It's, it's been an amazing adventure and, uh, I've learned a lot, but I would say that, uh, yeah, I mean, we just basically had dinner, um, just kind of hung out at the house. I mean, there's not like a lot to do, you know, it's like, what are you going to do other than just like having, we had like a nice little meal and some dessert, which we don't, don't normally do. And a little too much wine. Don't even start with the no dessert. I've seen you when I stayed at your place with my girlfriend not too long ago. I remember we came back from dinner. You were polishing off, you were polishing off pints of ice cream. Listen, you hit that ice cream too.

Starting point is 01:14:05 We shared a pint and you killed most of it. And that was good ice cream. It was good. I'm not going to accept that I killed most of it. I did take the beggars leftovers. Well, we ate some edibles. That's true. We did.

Starting point is 01:14:19 And then we hit the ice cream hard. Which facilitates the ice cream. That was amazing ice cream, by the way. Yeah, yeah, it's really good. They make good ice cream here in Portland, Oregon. People are saying truth comes out in the comments. It's legal, people. It's legal.

Starting point is 01:14:36 It's legal. It's legal. Salt and Straw. What is Salt and Straw? Is that the ice cream company? Yeah, it is not the one that we had but it is one of the best in Portland for sure

Starting point is 01:14:51 Has Tim's position on weed changed? Noah Johnson I don't know what my position on weed was so it's hard for me to say I mean you were anti-weed I'm not anti-weed, I'm just kidding A lot of weed makes me fucking paranoid so i don't enjoy taking it uh all right the whoop band no i've had issues

Starting point is 01:15:13 with the whoop band man i had a whoop band what the hell is that it's like a fitbit fancy fitbit and i i i want to love it oh i do remember just not accurate. Oh, I do remember this. Yeah, I do remember that. What, the whoop or the weed? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, the whoop. Okay. No, no weed right now. I actually do use, weed will calm you, dude.

Starting point is 01:15:36 Thanks, Sifazar. I do use full-spectrum CBD oil for sleep. Where do you get that from? I don't remember the brand. Because I like the encapsulations uh full spectrum cbd which is quite nice that might be what i have actually yeah yeah they make a good one it's like 10 or 20 milligrams per per thing it's good for tim do you still ride your boosted board absolutely not because i i view it as suicidal for me at the moment it's just too fast like the the the speed limiter on it is exceptionally high so i i have very little confidence in my ability to do a stop drop and roll if i wipe out at 20 miles an hour. How did I lose 15 pounds?

Starting point is 01:16:26 Yeah. Client giant COM asks, by forgetting to eat because I'm too fucking stressed out. I don't recommend that as a diet approach necessarily. More sleep recommendations, having troubles, Groundhog Day. This is from N Meddler. What recommendations might you have? Yeah. So sleep is definitely something I've spent a lot of time

Starting point is 01:16:52 playing around with. Yeah. I think Max has a great point here, Max Goldberg. Matt Walker's book, Why We Sleep, is a phenomenal resource for this stuff. That said, I've done low-dose melatonin and also the magnesium is the one that you recommended to him at the beginning of the show. Magteen? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:17:18 Daria, my wife, she takes that every night. She takes the one that's from a brand called Live On, which is a liposomal form and uh and she swears by it like she she loves that all all the roid monsters love live on do they really why oh yeah for liver recovery after taking their alpha alkylated oral anabolics so what do they take for liver recover? I can't remember the actual product. They do a vitamin C, they do a magnesium.

Starting point is 01:17:49 They have a liver product that was what kind of put them on the map. Yep, absolutely. I also use their liposomal vitamin C. I do too. That's my favorite vitamin C. Tastes like horse semen, but you know. I've never had horse semen, but I would imagine that

Starting point is 01:18:07 it probably is similar. You have. Yeah, you have. Have I at your house? If you had live on vitamin C. Because I know I've tried some crazy stuff at your house and 4-Hour Chef had some, I think there was a recipe in there with horse semen that was

Starting point is 01:18:23 You know, of all my books, I think the most appropriate right now for quarantine is The 4-Hour Chef. I'm drunk enough to say this. It is the perfect book for quarantine. It really is. Is it an audible? No, because it would make no fucking sense.

Starting point is 01:18:41 I know. That would be amazing, though. Just hearing you being like, one tablespoon baking soda, one tablespoon sense. I know, that would be amazing though. Like just hearing you being like, one tablespoon baking soda, one tablespoon cinnamon. I would love that. Oh man. All right, what else do we have in the comments? Let me take a look at our list of things

Starting point is 01:18:59 that we wanted to cover, because I have to... Yeah, dive in. I'll look at the comments, you look at our list. Apps we've been using, I think to... Yeah, dive in. I'll look at the comments. You look at our list. Apps we've been using. I think we've kind of covered that. Shows we've been talking

Starting point is 01:19:09 about. I think we covered everything we wanted to talk about. Is there anything else that people want us to talk about? There'll be no shortage here. Maka for men. Any new drawings, Tim? Wim Hof.

Starting point is 01:19:25 Oh, Kylet Bounce. Will you guys do this again? I don't know. What do you think, Kevin? It's been fun. I would love to continue. This is a good time. Yeah, especially if this kind of craziness continues, which I imagine it would. It'd be fun to do this every few weeks. Make it monthly.

Starting point is 01:19:41 I think monthly would be fun. That's a good monthly. Yeah. I think monthly would be fun. That's, that's, that's a good idea. Cool. Um, any, should we do any parting notes or any, like any things that we want to say on the way out? How was the stream quality? I'm curious for people. Was it good? Great, great, good. Awesome. I'm glad this worked out. Because here's the funny thing. I went on to Zoom, and Tim was like, how are we going to do this?

Starting point is 01:20:11 Let's figure it out. And I went into Zoom, and they had a, what did they call it? What is the account called? Oh, the webinar account. I was like, oh, we'll do a webinar with Zoom. It supports up to 10,000 people. And remember I sent you the price? It's 10 grand. It's 10 grand

Starting point is 01:20:30 for a Zoom webinar for 10,000 people. Yeah, it's crazy. That's a lot of monies. So thankfully, obviously we know Bennett Caffey, the CEO, and he offered to do this. Ben's great, even though he almost killed me skiing. Yeah, he almost killed you.

Starting point is 01:20:47 That's a side note, yeah. All right. If you want to look up Tomahawk skiing accident, that'll give you a nice image of what it looked like as I catapulted myself headfirst down many steep inclines with our dear friend Ben. Yeah, he's a big snowboarder. He was very good at it, though, right? He was snowboarding.

Starting point is 01:21:13 No, he's much better at snowboarding than I am at skiing, which led to the disparity in competence when we went down cornices and I ended up tomahawking head over heel over and over again. Tim sounds like he has peanut butter stuck to the roof of his mouth. Eric Kaplan, that's because I've had a glass of wine. More than a glass of wine. Let's do some parting thoughts. What are your parting thoughts? Give me a bottle of the... I feel like you have an urgency to your escape from this live broadcast. I know that we have

Starting point is 01:21:49 dinner at some point. Tom's drunk. That was amazing. Whoever said Tom's drunk, it's got 16 hearts now. 24, 27, 40. Wow, amazing. That person's hammed.

Starting point is 01:22:05 Slayer soundtrack during Isolation, Tim. Blood Red. Oh, great workout track, too. So good. Raining Blood, yes. Raining Blood's pretty intense. Yeah, that whole album's very intense. I have a Spotify workout that includes old

Starting point is 01:22:21 Metallica and Slayer. It's good stuff. Oh, man. On fucking white wine. Who gets drunk on white wine? Jeffrey. That's a good point. E. Heath.

Starting point is 01:22:31 Tim Ferriss. That's who. Because you know why? Because I can. That's why. Random drunk show. All right. So let's do some parting thoughts here before we go.

Starting point is 01:22:40 All right. Do you want to start? No. Fuck no. All right. I'll start. I know. it's tough. Give us a Gettysburg address.

Starting point is 01:22:49 I want to hear something profound, Kevin. No, there's nothing profound other than one. I want to thank everybody for showing up tonight. It's nice to have a little break from the chaos, obviously. And Tim,

Starting point is 01:22:59 thank you for agreeing to do this. Cause it's, it's just, it's tough times. And I think that, you know that we've seen this type of thing impact everyone that we know. And it doesn't matter how rich you are or how poor you are. It's hitting everyone in a different way. And I just want to tell everyone out there that my thoughts are with all of you.

Starting point is 01:23:22 I know this is going to be a challenging few years, so we'll get through it together and hopefully with a little bit of comedy and some random shows every now and then and our podcasts that we do. I just want to encourage everyone to be safe and to quarantine as much as possible. Stay home. I'm doing grocery runs once a week now. I have a little bit of stockpiled food, but I also go out to the grocery store. There's no shame in wearing gloves or wearing a mask. It's real.

Starting point is 01:24:01 I just want to give much love to all the people watching this. Thank you, Mr. Rose. So I just want to give much love to all the people watching this. Thank you, Mr. Rose. I would say, to add to that, that things are heavy. Things are heavy right now. And we will get through this, even if this is, as Bill Gates would perhaps propose, the once-in-a-century pandemic. The human species, the hominids that we are, have existed for a very long time, and we have made it through many pandemics, many epidemics, over time. And we will make it through this one.

Starting point is 01:24:56 And it is your job, in a way, now that natural selection and Darwinism are in full force, once again, to not kill yourself and not kill other people. And I would suggest that you, as Kevin said, stay home as much as possible. Wear masks. The masks do help despite what the World Health Organization might lead you to believe. That's going to change in a few days, dude. Yeah, it's fucking

Starting point is 01:25:19 nonsense. Masks help, period. End of story. Especially if you're asymptomatic. Sorry to interrupt, but most people don't know they have it. And so, one way to think about this is not just how do you protect yourself, but how would you act if you had COVID-19? If you were positive, how would you act so you would not contaminate anyone else? And there are a lot of ways to work around that. If you need to do grocery runs, you could consider using a task rabbit, for instance, who's already going to be exposing

Starting point is 01:25:57 themselves. How can you piggyback on other activities, et cetera, and so on. But I would say it's very helpful at times like this when we're so mired in the weeds and so overwhelmed and so perhaps stressed in the face of uncertainty to zoom out. And if you zoom out, you could look at a book like, I believe it is the Lessons of History by William and Ariel Durant. And when you read a book like that, which effectively takes 10,000 pages of documentation that is already a synopsis and then concentrates it down to about 120 pages, then you realize how common what we're going through is when placed in the context of a broader human history. And for that reason, there is reason to be careful.

Starting point is 01:27:12 There is reason to be cautious and strategic. But humans will exist after this. I suspect it will be sooner than people expect in terms of economic recovery. And as it stands right now, I think the most important thing is to take this seriously now so that it doesn't extend over 18 to 24 months. The more seriously you take it now, the less seriously you can take it 12 months from now. And that I think is worth highlighting. So that's what I'd say. I also extend my heart and empathy to all those who are suffering right now with job loss, with economic uncertainty and so on it's a fucking hard time and uh hopefully every everyone can do a little bit to help the handful of people all around them uh you don't

Starting point is 01:28:18 need to save the world but if there's a barber or a dog walker or a coffee shop or someone near you who you can reach out to just to simply ask, what can I do to help? Is there anything I can do to help? That's a major public service. And karmically, you will be adding a lot to your bank account for the final tally. So that's what I would say. Sometimes help is just having a conversation with someone, just giving them a chance to vent and get things off their chest. 100%. The one thing I will say that when you were talking to him,

Starting point is 01:28:55 they were coming up in the comments, is that people were saying masks are not available. And I will say that I did see a very interesting, it was an article I actually heard it on the radio when I was driving in the car. It was talking about alternatives to the masks that people are using. And they have found that sewing fabric,

Starting point is 01:29:17 like multi-layered fabric, like cotton masks and even scarves and other things, anything you can do to cover your mouth and nose is effective. Is it going to be clinical grade? Like maybe not, but you know, there's no shame in going to the grocery store with a scarf over your mouth. Like there's the, there's, these are difficult times and we got to just make do with what we have. So I, you know, it's like, I'm, I'm doing the same thing. It's like, it's, it's, it's tough, but we, until those become available to the general public, it your safety, but the safety of those in your community. And also try to be easy on yourself,

Starting point is 01:30:10 right? Nobody's fucking ace in this right now. Nobody is. We're all fucking scared. Yeah. Nobody is acing this. It's like, I got an 80 year old mom that I'm freaking out about every single day because

Starting point is 01:30:21 she goes out and checks the mail by herself and touches her mail. And I'm like, maybe you shouldn't be doing that. Like there's things like, you know, little tiny holes in all of this stuff. And like, my mom's got really, really, really bad asthma. And so it's like a done, done deal. She gets this and it's game over. And it's like, it's just, you know, we all are, are struggling here, um, in some capacity and I know some more so than others. So if you have this or you know someone that has it, we're rooting for you.

Starting point is 01:30:51 We love you. All we can do is give love and support to those around us. Yeah. Hear, hear, man. That's all I have to say. Cheers, brother. So good. I'm out of wine. I can pour

Starting point is 01:31:05 a little bit more. Are you completely out? Did you finish your bottle? My bottle's empty. Holy shit. You did that all yourself? I did. I'm proud of you, Tim Tim. Tom. Oh, thanks Kev Kev. Cheers. People are saying Tom is lit right now.

Starting point is 01:31:26 Oh, Tom is lit. No doubt. Cheers, everybody. We love you all. Cheers, everybody. Seriously, stay safe out there. Thank you so much for tuning in. I hope this gave you some laughs and some good times. And we'll talk soon.

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