The Tim Ferriss Show - #789: Ease Into Stillness — Guided Meditation with Zen Master Henry Shukman

Episode Date: January 20, 2025

This episode is part of a new experiment called Meditation Monday. The teacher, Henry Shukman, has been on my podcast twice before. He is one of only a few dozen masters in the world authorized to teach Sanbo Zen, and now, he’ll be your teacher.In addition to my long-form interviews each week, every Monday I’ll bring you a short 10-minute or so meditation, which will help you for the rest of the week. Over this four-episode series, you’ll develop a Zen toolkit to help you find greater calm, peace, and effectiveness in your daily life.Henry’s app, The Way, has changed my life since I first started using it. Unlike other meditation apps, where you’re overwhelmed with a thousand choices, The Way is a clear step-by-step training program guided entirely by Henry. Through a logical progression, you’ll develop real skills that stick with you.I’ve been using it daily, often twice a day, and it’s lowered my anxiety more than I thought possible.As a listener of my podcast, you can get 30 free sessions by visiting https://thewayapp.com/tim and downloading the app.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hello boys and girls, ladies and germs. This is Tim Ferriss. Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show. This episode is a brand new experiment called Meditation Monday. That means in addition to my long form interviews each week, every Monday I will be bringing you a short 10 minute or so meditation which will help you for the rest of the week. Over this four episode series you'll develop a Zen toolkit specifically to help you find greater calm, peace, and effectiveness in your daily life. The teacher, Henry Schuchman, has been on my podcast twice before. He is one of only a few dozen masters in the world authorized to teach what is called Sambo Zen. And I have found this particularly interesting and effective, and now he'll be your teacher. I've been using Henry's app,

The Way, once, often twice a day for the last few months, and it has lowered my anxiety more than I thought possible. As a listener of the show, you yourself can get 30 free sessions by visiting thewayapp.com slash Tim. So if you like what you hear in these meditations, which will be valuable in and of themselves, you can get 30 free sessions by going to thewayapp.com slash Tim. And for the time being, please enjoy this Meditation Monday with Henry Schuchman. Welcome to Meditation Monday. It's a joy to be back with you. Thanks for hopping on. So many of us come to meditation to help us with stress. come to meditation to help us with stress. And rightly so, meditation is a great vehicle

for dialing down our nervous systems, coming back into homeostasis, into more of a balanced state. But I've noticed over 15 years of teaching meditation that it's not uncommon for people to get stressed about meditation. There's good reason for that. In meditation, we're still, we're quiet and for many of us we just don't do that in the course of our day. We're busy

all the time, engaging in activities. We also don't have distractions. If we're feeling uncomfortable we can't reach for the phone while we're meditating or whatever our favourite distractions might be. So it's perfectly natural. But there's even a bigger reason, I think, where people get stressed around it, which is that we commonly think, I did it myself for years, that there's something that I'm supposed to kind of measure up to. There's some way my meditation is supposed to be. And one of the common misconceptions right there is about thinking, thinking that we're supposed to have no thoughts when we meditate.

Basically, it's rubbish. We are developing a different relationship with thoughts is true, but our brains naturally secrete thought, as some people put it. So we're not aspiring to have total radio silence within when we meditate, not at all. So in this sit, we're gonna deal with and address some of this meditation stress, i.e. stress around meditation itself, particularly when it comes to thinking. So let's come into our

comfortable seated position. Get yourself set up, seated in a way that feels good for you. We want to be comfortable. We want to be able to relax. So right now we can close the eyes or lower them if you prefer, keeping them open but lowered. Just give yourself a moment to come back to you. This is really about you. It's about you as you are right now and you know sometimes we also get inklings that it's about coming back to some sort of deeper sense of myself. Something that in a way has been here all my life and that I may have journeyed far from but now we can start coming back

and it begins with being here just as we are right now. now. So let's again check how much tension we're holding in our jaw and release the jaw. Imagine there's a little sling right under your chin that your jaw can rest in. And let it rest. Let your arms hang like the sleeves of an old coat. Totally relaxed. See if you can find a certain sense of warmth and softness in the chest, in the belly, in the hips. legs and feet also be relaxed at rest. We're really just coming home to ourselves, to this our life, just like this. Now as we're resting and being a bit more present, very commonly thoughts will come up and before we know it we're off on a train of thought and then we realize oh whoa I've been far away in another time and place thinking. Great, we've recognized that that's happened.

We congratulate ourselves. We've come back. And what we're going to do is just check where we were in our thinking, just enough to be able to file the thinking we were just in in one of three files memories plans imaginings so just check kind of thinking it was, file in either memories, planning or imagining. Thank the thoughts for showing up and come back. I'll offer a few little prompts sitting here in a restful state, present, not needing to do anything, just noticing when thoughts have come up, when we've been carried off by thinking. So, anytime thoughts have arisen, note them, welcome them, and file them in one of those three folders, memories, planning, imagining.

And when there's no thoughts, you might notice some sounds around you. resting in the here and now, just this as it is. and recognising that thoughts will arise and filing them according to that little scheme memories, plans, imaginings, when we notice to have no thoughts. We're just seeing if we can notice thoughts when they arise. We acknowledge them and we file them away in one of those three folders and come back basically a kind of wakeful rest an attentive not doing Just being with our experience as it is right now. Soft body. Some amount of sounds around us. And sometimes thoughts. Okay.

Let's gently bring a little movement back into the body, whatever might feel good for you. Some people like to sway. Some people like to move fingers and toes, just coming back, raising the eyes. Great, now one thing that I just wanna say as we conclude here is that the most important thing, I'm quite sure of this actually, with meditation, is not sort of how well we think we do it or how good a time we might have doing it.

And we will sometimes have blissful, peaceful experiences and so on. But actually the most important thing is just that we spend a little portion of our day being quiet and still and not reaching for common distractions. Just that stillness impacts our unconscious. Just the fact of being quiet, you know, as quiet as we are in our minds doesn't matter so much that we are actually just not talking for that period of time.

Quiet and still. It impacts, it feeds into our own consciousness and it gradually changes us over time in beautiful ways that we can really come to appreciate more and more as we go. Thank you very much for joining me. See you next time.