The Toast - A Cosmopolitan Episode, YAH?: Monday, April 21st, 2025

Episode Date: April 21, 2025

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It's Jackson Claude and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show. The Fast Five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy Monday. Today is a Pargy episode of The Toast, hosted of course by Turdi Lou Freibush, and clearly my stalker, Merriam Webster, to find stalker for me.

You're twin. We're both wearing Gargi Pargy set merch. We're not even launching merch or announcing anything this week. We just both wore it on our own accord. That's how comfy, cozy, and Parjalish it is. It was an uncoordinated attack. Attack. You're constantly attacking me. I actually wore this to dinner at Trouty's last night.

So it was like, and now it looks so cute. And I was like, let's run it back. Oh my God, what did you have for dinner? Officially Passover. War is over. We can eat bread again, and boy did I eat bread again last night. I had a hamburger on a bun.

A small luxury that I had missed. That you had taken for granted. And then I didn't have anything else like incredibly leavened, you know? But we have all year for that. I have big plans for today. Sourdough, we're back. I had pizza.

Mm-hmm. I had pasta. I had chipriani cake. Wow. Now, my husband was in charge of the ordering because I was just like so tired. I'll tell you no, like I really wasn't feeling well because I hate when Ben orders food.

First of all, for some reason, like whenever we use like an Uber Eats or any sort of delivery service DoorDash on his phone, like it doesn't come. Oh, that's classic my husband. Do you like, I don't know what it is about his phone or his account, like they get the worst everything. Not only does he always either mess it up,

even if it's not his fault, they just obviously don't respect him. Yes, yes. Because they don't care to get it right. No, and I obviously I'm in really good standing with Uber Eats, I must be one of their top .01 customers. I was actually told that the sushi place I order from,

I am their top.01 orderer. I would order from, well because if I like something, I'll do it again and again, I don't like do variety. So everywhere I order from, I'm the number one customer. My app, I command respect. I get the best, most highly rated drivers. I get the quickest delivery times, best priority windows. So I just knew my dinner was never coming.

Same for when we order an Uber. If we order an Uber from Zach's phone, we're not going anywhere. Worst cars. But if it's my account, we get a limousine, we get a driver with a hat. You know, I'm obviously just like a priority customer for these platforms, and my husband is not. I don't Uber a ton down here,

but last time we Ubered in New York, I like called an Uber luxury. And there was a car seat in there, like he had an extra car seat, like this is a driver who's prepared. And I was actually with you when your husband tried to order an Uber, and like seriously, he was standing outside for 25 minutes.

What'd he get, a petticab? Yeah, so obviously we are just like at different levels. But he did a good job except for the fact that like my husband has a real, real over ordering problem. And it was so apparent last night. I was just lying. Okay, so not only, he went a little nuts with like pizza and pasta pasta which honestly can be forgiven

After you know a week of no bread. I understand why he got so many extra entrees like there was so much food It was like an embarrassment of riches, but then he also ordered the cipriani cake Let me ask you how many slices of the cipriani cake, which the slice is fucking huge It's a celebration two for two adults You would get two for two adults. I can't even finish one slice. Like it's huge. Right, no I know, but it's weird to just get one. What if you might be offended by that?

You're eating for two, two is safe. Four. Cool, cool, cool. And by the way, the pieces of cake are like $25 each, plus like all the tips and delivery. I should have just gotten the whole cake, but okay. 1000%, I'm like, you ordered four pieces of cake. And I was like, okay, this morning,

I come into the kitchen, the two pieces of cake that went uneaten, he left them out on the counter. He didn't put them away last night. I'm like, so you ruined- He's been hanging out with my husband too much. Everything gets ruined because it doesn't go in the fridge before at night time.

So wasteful. It's so crazy. You have to throw that food away in the morning because it goes sour. Of course. I mean, I cook something and I leave it out to cool and I'm like, can you just put it, once it's cool, will you put it in the fridge?

Like I'm going to bed. I was shocked to see the shopping bag. I was like, oh, good on my husband. He kept the shopping bag. He's turning it to me. It's a nice shopping bag. And then I saw two pieces of cake inside. I said, are you, that's $50 right there.

That's really crazy. Also to say, I ate plenty last night and I'm so back. Me and Hummates, me and the Levined, we are good. I went out to dinner on Saturday night. Yeah, I went out. I was out until midnight asking me anything. What? Ask me anything.

I was out till midnight. Okay, you were out until midnight. With a bunch of people out. What was it like? It was late, but it was actually nice. It was like a dinner party. It was late. It was late.

It was a dinner party. And the reason why we were out so late is because it started pretty late, which I actually appreciate because then I'm here for bedtime, the kids go to sleep and they don't even realize that I've left. So that's kind of my ideal way to go out,

but it does mean getting home at midnight. Damn. But I did- You've seen the other side of the night. I know, but I did fors getting home at midnight. Damn. But I did. You've seen the other side of the night. I know, but I did forsake bread on the table and I was really angry and things were happening slowly and I was like, this will be like, I could have gone for it, you know,

and just throw them caution to the wind. It's the seventh day. No, it's a test of your faith. I was like, this will be the ultimate sacrifice. Yep. Will I eat this warm bread and butter? And I didn't. Warm bread and butter at a restaurant,

it's such a lost art. When like you've been getting drinks and so you've been like waiting a while, it took a while to sit, like we hadn't even ordered. I'm like, I don't know when I'm gonna see next crumb. And I said no. No, but also I find sometimes like dining

to be such a rushed experience, like you just get your food and go. And I find that when you have like a really premium bread basket, I don't even need anything that crazy. I just require the bread to be warm and the butter to be soft. It elongates the whole experience. You're not like in a rush, like you're feeding at the zoo.

Like, it's so civilized. And this whole thing where you have to order a menu item bread basket that's like $6, I hate. But if you're giving me like the best bread I've ever fucking had, okay, I was at a restaurant recently. I'm not gonna name it. Name them. No, I'm not going to.

I know, it's too cool. You don't wanna be banned just in case they get their shit together. 1000%, it was like a really cool restaurant. And it was, you know, we were celebrating. So I said, Ben, let's order the bread basket. Even though it was like a menu item, which I hate. No, I don't always hate.

I don't always hate. I don't like outright hate it. I'm open to it because I'm expecting greatness. I'm expecting greatness, yes. So, and I said, like, I don't want to be rushed out of here. Like we never leave the house. I haven't gone out to dinner with you in a year. Let's order the bread.

What arrived was first of all sourdough. And I just want to say, I love sourdough. It's not a bread basket bread. I'm sorry, it's not. Yeah, no, it's not. Yeah, no it's not. Pre-sliced, like it wasn't little rolls or anything, just like pre-sliced, cut up, doused in oil. This is a bread basket.

When I think of a bread basket made to order, I think of like one that's made in like a skillet and it's pull apart kind of like monkey bread. You know that? I love what, okay, if you're gonna get crazy, charge me. Sourdough that my sister made three days ago, doused in oil. I don't even need to douse mine in oil. I was so disappointed.

And so I feel like it was a real, for me, indicator. The art of the bread basket is completely lost. It's a sign of the times. That's why I only eat at Cheesecake Factory. It is the best bread, It is warm every single time. You know who does a nice bread spread? Let me think. So.

Scarpetta. Scarpetta. And it's not- It's such a random, why would I know that? Like, well you probably wouldn't even like it cause some of them they have like roasted red pepper in the bread. Some of them have like olives.

When they start throwing like cut up olives in the bread. Stop. What's so weird and incongruous about me is I don't like olives. I Some of them have like olives. When they start throwing like cut up olives in the bread. Stop. What's so weird and incongruous about me is I don't like olives. I like everything. I like vegetables. You would think I like olives and I don't. So like when there's an olive top and odd,

but. Oh my God, the smell of olive top and odd. Oh my God. The rest of the bread basket at Scarpetta. And I'm pretty sure it's like bottomless, you know? Well, that's also the beauty of, you know who doesn't have a great breadbasket? Who?

They can do a little bit better. Who? Cipriani. Oh yeah, and they have breadsticks, which are fun for the whole family. Love breadsticks, fun for the whole family. And you know what else is like a lost art? We've totally left behind pads of butter.

I happen to really like opening up that little golden ticket. Like I think some people are bothered by the extra labor. They would just prefer like soft butter in a dish, which I love, of course, don't get me wrong. But butter that comes in those like gold packets is never bad. Sometimes it's cold and hard, not ideal.

But the butter itself- Put it over the candle. Yeah, it's good quality butter. Yeah, it is. But it's very, it's diner though. No, it's not. It's a wee bit diner. Okay, I guess they do serve it at diners.

That's so true. I think of it, you know where they always serve it at like fancy French restaurants. It's very French. So I think of it like a little bit more elevated. You're very much a Francophile. And I'm constantly eating French food. You are, you guys love Lagaloo.

You guys, Ben loves Lagaloo. And it's like this, it's this French restaurant Ben stumbled upon, he became obsessed with it. And he's like this. It's this French restaurant Ben stumbled upon. He became obsessed with it. And of course he never like took me because he knows I don't eat French food. And he was just always begging me to go, begging me to go. And one time I was obviously feeling weak and generous.

I was like, sure, like I must have not been that hungry. I'm like, yeah, we can go to dinner at Lagaloo. And let me tell you, the chair was so uncomfortable. Like that's what I remember about certain restaurants. I don't really care about like the quality of food. I care more about vibes and ambiance. No, Wacolaw is French, but they've got options. Like I like eating there and I'm not a Francophile.

I think if I remember correctly that the food was good, all I remember was the chair. I understand. The chair I am remembering now. It's not the first thing. It's the same chair that they have at the Smith, which is why the Smith will never have me as a loyal fan of their restaurants.

And I know it's so inconvenient to not be a fan of The Smith. There's like so many in the city. It's like elevated American diner, but like it's so brunchy. It's really, it's the perfect restaurant, except for two things. The chairs are just an abomination. And the noise level, the acoustics? No, I can get past that.

I think you know what I'm gonna say though. I'm gonna give you another chance to guess what's wrong with the Smith. The ketchup. Yes, the fucking ketchup. They won't just go for Heinz, they have to do Sir Kensington. They have to be different.

I hate that shit. You can tell when they give you something at a restaurant that the ketchup is like, Heinz is like, it looks like it's had a facelift right there's no cellulite it's completely smooth Sir Kensington's like organically and it's chunky and it's cellulitey and I it ruins all the food at the Smith because they have really good french fries but I can't dip it in the ketchup You gotta bring your own packets next time Literally me with my pads of butter and my packets of ketchup

Listen I bring a stevia in the raw. Oh, you do? I do. That's the kind of sugar I like. And it's very, you know, it's a particular one. So I'll be right out. It's rare, rare to find. Well, I'm glad that we made it over the Pesach hump

and we can go back to appreciating our bread. I'm actually excited to make sourdough. Like, do I even remember how to make it? I don't know. Oh my, she's taking a few steps back. She needs to watch her own tutorial on Patreon. Literally, it's not a tutorial, it's a what not to do. But I actually had a major weekend.

Major? Major. You know what I did this weekend. Hold on, my brain is just, give me three seconds, I'll remember. this weekend. Hold on, my brain is just, give me three seconds, I'll remember. In the world of children. Yeah.

Major news. She had a major weekend. We potty trained this weekend. We kicked off the potty training journey this weekend, but it's like, so what I did, I hadn't really been doing the potty training previously. Like I know people like kind of do it slowly over the course of months.

That's like not, and I've also heard like, really just wait until your kids are ready. Like really wait, cause like it'll just become like terrible if you do it too soon and then they start getting like anxious about the toilet. So I was just like, I'll just wait until he's super ready and he felt ready. So we did this class on Saturday that I had heard about.

It was like a four hour class where we like, it was literally like a frat house. It was like drinking games. No, no, it was a little flip cup. Cause the kids have to drink a lot so that they have to pee a lot so that they can learn to pee in their potty. So the class.

But I can learn. The class was actually like really good and helpful for me to learn how to potty train cause I wouldn't know where to start. Like, so to do a weekend, drinking so much, staying home, no more diapers. We're not doing, once you sign up for the class. It's like.

What are you gonna do with all that money that you were spending? You should buy yourself a bag. On diapers? Yeah. It's true, I'm sure it goes towards something else. I just had to buy 15 pairs of undies. Underwear, yeah, and you know they soil them.

Yeah, you gotta get fresh undies. So we did the class, which was good, and then we came home and we were applying everything that we learned all weekend, and we're really making headway. We're still in the training phase, but as I said, no more diapers, it's done. Whether it's a success or not,

but the more you stick with it and follow the rules from the class, he's taking to it really well. So it's been pretty major. Well, fun fact about one Turtee Lou Freemish is she had an extremely difficult time potty training. I think I was like, definitely the last in the family, like the oldest.

Okay, that's surprising. I feel like it's usually like the younger start to do things sooner because they wanna be like their big siblings. Yes, and I do have one distinct memory. They give you that fake toilet, right? We had to bring a fake toilet. I never, thank God I had one that Frida had sent me

because we didn't have one. And it was really part, she had like the Rolls Royce of fake toilets in the class. I remember the fake toilet. Like, and I remember sitting in the garage. That's obviously where I was like forced because like they were so done with me, forced to take my dumps.

And I just remember that part of the journey, and I remember really liking that little toilet. But I do feel like that little toilet, because then I also remember having a big fear of the real toilet, especially big ones with long bowls. And I feel like it kinda sets you up to be afraid of the toilet.

I feel like most kids are afraid of the toilet at a certain point, but it's not like during the potty training phase. But we're supposed to stay on the little toilet until we have like five consecutive poops in the little toilet. And then he can go back to his toilet that has, you know, the little accessible-

Of course, a little ladder. The little accessible chair on top. It's so cute. Yeah, so it's been fun. I'm excited that we've kicked it off. It's not as big and scary as I thought it was gonna be. And we're also doing night-time training at the same time. They say that's easier to do.

It's like, yes, it's very inconvenient and a pain in the butt, but it'll work out better if we do it all together. So that's where we're at. I have stumbled onto TikTok, a method of potty training where they train you to potty in the toilet from birth. I don't know if you're from, are you familiar with that method?

No. I forget what it was called and the first time I heard it, I was like, okay, these people are nuts. Like these people are fucking nuts. The more I learned about the science behind it, I might start adapting that method like from day one. Well, it's definitely like less wasteful, which you'll like, you don't have to buy all the diapers

and all the- And you know me, anything to cut costs. Anything to cut costs and live a minimal lifestyle. Yeah, I'm definitely thinking about cloth diapers. Cloth diapers aren't as scary as they sound, but not that I use them, but I've like seen- I don't know, they sound really scary. Like I would just say when there's a poop,

we'll throw that one away. Then they're not, like they're not reusable. Then for peas, like we'll wash the peas. What were you, oh, about putting them in the toilet at birth? I actually saw a chart recently about like, potty training ages over time. And like as a society, like we're getting really bad.

We're regressing? Yeah, like I think the norm used to be like one and a half was potty training. Now it's like, we'll start at three. I know when we were growing up it was like two. It was two when we were kids. Was it? Why do you know that?

Yeah, like it's like something I just happen to know, it's always been two. Yeah, but then it's like if you start at two and it doesn't take, cause they weren't ready and then they're scared of the toilet and then they start holding in their poops for days. Very bad, very bad. That's a hard habit to break.

And you know what? I don't really mind the diapers so much. Like every once in a while it's like, oh gosh, I wish this one was in the toilet. But like diapers are so convenient. I could change them wherever. I don't have to use like a public restroom and like get in the restroom. I can just change in the trunk of my car.

Like. Well just now my family will be adapting the newborn method and I encourage you to think about it, okay? I, like I said, I'm happy with the diaper life, but let me know how it goes. I will. I definitely will. So big things, major moves happening here. Such a big weekend for you. So happy that you started that journey.

I started no journeys this weekend. I just laid around. It's not even meant to be like a journey. Like it's done. You know what I mean? For better or for worse. So he's potty trained. He's not potty trained, but like he doesn't wear diapers anymore.

Stop, they grow up so fast. And I do like not to be like a freak, they look so cute with diapers on because they have like dump trucks, literally. And like the way they waddle around with like this saggy, tushy thing. Like it's such a cute part of their allure. Yeah, it is really cute.

But of course they're beautiful with or without. With or without. There's beauty in everything. I don't know about that, but there is beauty in a lot. But it's definitely like a major milestone in terms of like, you know, it's not a baby. Parenthood. Yeah.

Not a baby. No, that's my baby. And now I know how to potty train, which I didn't know how before. I love to do a class for everything. It's like I haven't started a garden yet because I can't find a class to teach me how to garden. They definitely have a gardening class

at the local community garden. Yeah, but like I need a class to learn, if I want to start something, I need to take a class first. Mm, what was that old sponsor, Skillshare? something, I need to take a class first. What was that old sponsor, Skillshare? They like did- No, I think about Skillshare all the time. They just did classes for adults online.

Like you need to learn how to do anything. You wanna learn photography, Skillshare. Yeah, I guess you don't really possess the, like when I wanna learn how to do something, I watch a YouTube video. Like I taught myself how to knit on YouTube. I feel like you don't like watching YouTube videos, like tutorials.

You're more hands-on, you like to take a class. Yeah, I do. I like to take, I should do more master classes. You would think I would do more. Yeah, like I'm always, especially with like tech stuff for the studio, everything I know, I know from YouTube. Yeah. Yeah, I would do a tutorial for something like that

or like everything, like every kid's toy I have to like put together together like we're on YouTube. I believe it was a great Craig Codover who said he learned how to sew on YouTube. Just like you. We have so much in common. Stories today are? Interesting.

Wasn't like a crazy weekend. It was a very busy weekend. That's code for week. It was a very busy weekend for human beings. You know, it was Easter. And so people weren't like making crazy news. They were just like down home with the family. And that's not like titillating stuff, which is good.

Yes, I hope everybody had a really lovely and pleasant Easter weekend. I hope everyone had a very happy Easter. And I recognize now that Good Friday is a somber day. So it's not happy Good Friday. No, it's just Good Friday. Good Friday. And I think what you meant to say was hoppy Easter.

Well, I did, you know that I did. I love that one. I know you do. Yeah, it was a very cute Easter on social media. Saw a lot of people having a lot of fun. It's a party holiday. It is. Obviously all holidays are great, yada yada.

But it's a good one. It's so cute and it's meaningful. And they get dressed up and everybody looks pretty and there's candy. Yeah, what's not to like? I think I would like it if I was on that team. You would love it. Well, are you ready for the fast-fire stories

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I just have to take a picture of what I'm looking at right now. Romeo looks so cute. I've really kind of like embraced bringing Romeo to work with me, because he was so good the other day. Yeah, Rodeo. Oh, and I forgot to tell you guys, on Friday when I was like worried about Romeo,

he's outside of the studio, what is he doing? Oh my God, when I left the studio, he was crawled up on the couch. He like, not me thinking the worst of him and him just proving me wrong. So now he's welcome anytime. Look at him being so cute over there. Romeo. I've really resigned myself to not missing a moment

of his childhood, especially because you know, yesterday was Theo's heavenly birthday. I saw that was really emo. Yeah, I had forgotten. I like felt bad and then I saw in the weirdest way I remember David Dobrik posted like a picture of him smoking weed like happy 420. I'm like, oh my God, people still celebrate 420.

I was like, wait, 420 is Theo's birthday. Then I texted Ben, I'm like, we're kind of terrible. It's Theo's birthday. And it was good to just remember him, feel proud of how far I've come, honestly in less than a year, right? No, a year and a half. Oh, okay, that makes more sense.

And I owe a lot of my healing and my joy and my love to Romeo. So it was a good reflective moment. I didn't mean to attack everyone with my emotions on social media, I apologize. Well, you made us emotional. Obviously, Do To Do is forever in our hearts. Do To Do is forever.

We built the show off his back. Yeah. He was an amazing dog and an amazing friend. He's a founding member of Toast Inc. 1000%. And? When we go public one day, like our moniker will be T-H-E-O. It will be D-U.

With a fist emoji. Do strong. Do strong. Our first story is major news, like probably the most of the elk of the most major news we could possibly report because Pope Francis has passed away today at the age of 88. Right after Easter, following a health-

Right after I saw Conclave. Right after you saw Conclave, following a health crisis and month-long hospitalization. So Pope Francis died today at the age of 88, the Vatican said the Pope died at his residence in the Vatican's Casa Santa Marta. I think we were just saying he's the most influential man in the world.

We were just talking about him. Oh my God, are we like seriously cursed? No, no. I'm just like, just to say like the most influential person in the world has passed away. That's major news. And I guess if I was like a religious Catholic, I would definitely think about the timing.

Like it's really crazy. Yeah, it is. It definitely feels connected to the heavens. Yes. It feels symbolic. Now that I know like what goes down in the immediate aftermath of a Pope passing away, I just know there's a lot going on at the Vatican

and people are just flying in all these arch. Bishops. Bishops, no. What's the one with the C? Cardinals. All these cardinals, yes. I don't know if they're gonna elect a hermaphrodite. I feel like they're not, but it's always a possibility.

It's a possibility and. It is, but I know that there is within the church, I guess like this was the whole point of conclave, like this real push and pull, this tug between people wanting to keep the old traditions and those wanting to progress a little bit. I think Pope Francis was the whole point of conclave, like this real push and pull, this tug between people wanting to keep the old traditions and those wanting to progress a little bit. I think Pope Francis was more progressive. I'm not entirely sure.

Really don't quote me on that. Yeah, no, he's known for being more progressive. That's part of his legacy. And so rest in peace. Rest in peace. But it'll be very interesting to see what happens next. But our hearts are with everyone who was mourning this iconic figure. I wish I knew the players. Like, you know, hearts are with everyone who was mourning this iconic figure.

I wish I knew the players. I wish I knew who was up for- Who's next up? Who's been waiting their whole life? Yeah, there's probably like three or four, clearly- Who's been passed over a number of times. Right, who's last opportunity is it? You only get, I think as a lifelong cardinal,

I think you attend maybe one or two conclaves. Like it's not every year. It's not supposed to happen so often, but I feel like we've been through a couple of popes in our lifetime. I feel like we've been through three. There was one that was like pope for a day. Do you remember that one?

He was short. I don't. He like was, he didn't die. Oh, oh, they kicked him out. I don't know if they kicked him out or he left. It like wasn't working out. This is just about. I feel like that's like not something you can do.

I feel like. Can you ask Chad GDT that will just be quicker. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know it's a job for life. So maybe they. Was there a recent pope who stepped down or resigned question mark? Searching the web. Yes, there has been a recent instance of a pope residing. In 2013, Benedict XVI said deteriorating health and age-related limitations as reasons for

his departure. It was a significant event as he was the first pope to resign in nearly 600 years. Following his resignation, he adopted the title Pope Emeritus and lived in a monastery within Vatican City until his death in 2022. All right, so he lived for 11 more years, oh no, 2013, nine more years. Couldn't have been that bad. Yeah, no, I don't think it was health.

I think it was difference of opinions. And by the way, that was the most previous one after Pope Francis. So then after his resignation, it's crazy how they, you have like a fake Pope name. I knew that, not fake, excuse me, I'm sorry. Like the King of England. Sometimes.

Is that not their name? Well, for Charles it's his name, but before that, like Edward was David. Got it. Like it's not always. So if anyone was interested in Pope Francis' real name, I wanna say Jorge, J-O-R-G-E. Oh yeah, it's right here.

Jorge Mario Bergoglio. Mario. Did I say Mario? Me too. Sorry, so disrespectful. Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina was a successor, taking the name Pope Francis. What would your Pope name be?

No, I'm kidding, this is like seriously disrespectful. I apologize. I'm like really not making jokes here, except for Mario, which was an accident. Like I'm really trying. No, I'm not making jokes either. seriously disrespected conversation. I apologize. I'm like really not making jokes here, except for Maria, which was an accident. Like I'm really trying. No, I'm not making jokes either. I'm merely being respectful. I don't know if you guys have noticed,

I haven't made a joke yet. I'm not making any jokes. I just, I'm really looking forward to like when they select the new Pope, because I am gonna say, they've elected a new Pope. Who knows what movie that's from? Euro trip. Yes, I almost said Eurovision.

Yes. Yeah, that's definitely? Euro trip. Yes, almost said Eurovision, yes. Yeah, that's definitely obviously in the works, in the midst of the grief for the Catholic community and communities around the world. But they are sort of popeless right now. Yeah, will there be an interim pope? Right, like that's the thing with the Royals, when the person passes, there is like not a minute that they're without a leader.

Right. And that was a problem in the movie, they were taking a really long time and left the peeps without a leader. Yeah, I wonder what the elk of the next pope will be. Maybe it will be someone a little younger. Will they be more progressive, more modern, more traditional?

When this was in the film too, what about a black pope? I don't think there's ever been one. Yeah. And they represent, like we think of, I think of the pope as like, you know, Roman, Italian, Rome. No, it's the world. They represent a large group of people. Yeah, Francis is Argentinian.

They should live stream the conclave. I don't know. I feel like no, I feel like there has to be like things that they want to say that they wouldn't say in front of the world. No, yeah, you have to be able to speak freely in a conclave. Yeah, yeah.

Based on what I know from the film, of course. I didn't see the film, but I just imagined like there are things for the private, you know, and this is like a very significant thing. Like you wouldn't want it to be watered down by outside views. And I wonder if you are like a very significant thing. You wouldn't want it to be watered down by outside views. And I wonder if you are a devout Catholic, do you have someone you're rooting for?

Or are all these people sort of unknown to you? I don't know, I wonder if you have, yeah, a fave cardinal, maybe a cardinal in your area. And has there ever been an American pope? They represent all different countries. Go ask Jack Chibbidi. Has there ever been an American Pope? Cause I feel like no, no.

All popes have been of non-American origin, most coming within Europe, particularly Italy. But in the film, they bring in everyone from every country. And Pope Francis was Argentinian. Where was Benedict from? The current structure and history of the papacy has traditionally favored European candidates, though Pope Francis was the first pope from the Americas.

South America. South America. Yeah. Interesting. Oh, oh, oh, there are American cardinals who have been considered papabile, which is potential popes. Did you know that word? No, I love it.

Like Timothy Dolan of New York. I'd have heard of him. He's like at every event. Cardinal Dolan, yeah. He's in, he's in Blue Bloods. Cardinal Dolan, everybody knows him. And Cardinal Raymond Burke, do you know him? Cardinal Burke, no.

No, I'm not familiar, but none have been elected thus far. I'm rooting for Cardinal Dolan. I'm rooting for Tom Selleck. I'm rooting for... I don't know any Cardinals personally or otherwise. Cardinals. Oh yeah, I'm rooting for Cardinal by Kacey Musgraves.

Well, it's sad time, somber for sure. But on the bright side, it's very exciting. You know, change is very exciting to me. It is, and this is part of the papacy. The papacy. This is really like a major part of history. So it's always exciting to live through a moment in history that will be significant hundreds of years down the line.

Do you know anyone who's met a pope? I don't know. I have. Who? Pete Alonzo. Oh, cool. Yeah, and I actually asked him about it. It's one of his proudest moments, and if you're Catholic, it's the biggest deal.

Yeah. Yeah, so I know someone who has met a pope, not to be a baby, like a monk. So you pretty much have met aapope is what you're saying. I didn't say that. So like you are a papafile. I'm a papafile. You're in line for the papacy.

1000. The papacy, hand on the throttle. I made that joke before, did you get it? The prophecy. Oh, you never listened to the second half of TTBD. Well I once did on an airplane and I fell asleep, but the prophecy. The prophecy you never listened to the second half of TTBD. Well, I once did on an airplane and I fell asleep, but the prophecy. The prophecy.

The papacy. That's beautiful. Yeah, I really hope we haven't offended anyone. I'm saying all this with so much love and respect. So if offense was taken, it was not meant that way. It was not meant. And I hope you can forgive me, I forgave Haley Joel Wasserman.

1000%. We're gonna keep that in our back pocket for a while. 1000% after the show on Friday, I watched the video. Oh my God, I was cracking up. Oh, of Hailey Joel? Yeah. I actually, you watched it on FaceTime, so I heard the audio of it

because we were on FaceTime together. And I don't think he meant it in a hateful way. He definitely hated the police officer in that moment, but just because he was arresting him, not because he was a Jew. Right, and I don't think the police officer was a Jew. No, definitely not. I agree with you, like, where did that word come from?

It's obviously like in your vernacular, so that's a cause for concern. It also, because we posted that clip on social media, I was really shocked to find a lot of people don't even know what the K word is, which made me feel good. Let's keep it that way. Let's keep it that way.

Y'all? Let's keep it that way. Let's keep it that way. Y'all. Y'all. Let's keep it that way. Oh, I was trying to remember. We've been saying y'all a lot, like personally, and I'm sure we're gonna start saying it on the show. And if you guys are wondering what it's from, I'd be happy to tell you. I got sent a video like six months ago that I have probably watched every single day

since I received it. And it was my beautiful sister. Maybe I was having a bad day and like you were trying to make me feel better, it was my beautiful sister taking a picture of her son, excuse me, a video of her son, and he said, Kojus, you are beautiful. Kojus, you are beautiful.

Wait for it. Kojus, you are beautiful, yeah. And the yeah hit in such a special way. Yeah. Yeah. That is where the yeahs are. My newest from a Harry video, but I forgot which one. No, it's from my favorite one. The coachers you are beautiful video.

Cause he starts off really shy, like his hands behind his back. Coaches, you are beautiful. And then he feels emboldened by my beauty. Mommy emboldened him. You are beautiful. And then he feels emboldened by my beauty. Mommy emboldened him. Yeah. You are beautiful, yeah? Like he had to really sort of reaffirm my beauty. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So rest in peace, Pope Francis. Rest in peace. Yeah? Rest in power. That? Rest in power. That too. That too.

Move on, let's move on. I feel like we did a good job. Okay. The next story is one of the craziest headlines I've ever read and one of the craziest photos I've ever seen because Elizabeth Hurley and Billy Ray Cyrus are sparking romance rumors with a kissing photo on Easter.

So yeah, Elizabeth Hurley, yes you heard that. Elizabeth Hurley, British bombshell heard that. Elizabeth Hurley, like British bombshell. She's from Gossip Girl. I know her originally from her amazing work in the movie with Brendan Fraser. Bedazzled. Bedazzled. She's from the Royals on E that was canceled

before its time. She's like a legendary, I mean, it's the Elizabeth Hurley that you're thinking of. So I just wanna, it's Elizabeth Hurley. That's the one. There's only one. Is kissing Billy Ray Cyrus and posting it to her like her own Instagram in a proud way. And like a farm.

And he has longer hair than her and is wearing a headband with bunny ears. And he's carrying a staff, a stick. They're against like a wooden farm fence. Yeah, they're clearly at a farm. If I saw this picture before the inauguration, I might've been like, oh, interesting and kind of cute, like random people together,

even though he did call- Age appropriate. Even though like, don't forget Miley, that devil skank, like obviously he's got- Oh, that devil skank Miley. He's got a temper and I do not stand with Billy, right? Even before the inauguration, like I was just like the whole-

We thought he was, even before the, before the inauguration, I thought he was like a, like a fucked up person. Yeah. Like an angry person. After the inauguration, like probably a, you know, he's split from his whole family who are like,

a bunch of like really like strong, insightful, smart women. Like I just feel like he's the problem for sure. He's the problem. But after the inauguration, like I officially think there's something wrong with him. Yeah. So like BI, I might've celebrated this. Maybe Elizabeth could change him.

Like maybe she's the one for him. I love when people from different worlds come together. AI? AI. What? Run, hurly run, hurley, run, Hurley, run. Like seriously, this is does not bode well. No, but AI, my opinion of Billy Ray Cyrus is so low

that now I think poorly of Elizabeth Hurley. How about that? You say she's guilty by association. I mean, you are who you associate with. Not guilty, but like obviously nuts. Yeah, and if you're celebrating Easter with someone, you've obviously spent a lot of time with them. If you are posting a picture of the two of you

kissing on Instagram, that's your man. Yeah, I'm just afraid he knows it. In fact, you wanna tell everyone. And then her son commented on the picture with a heart emoji essence, the essence of heart emojis. Essence, yeah, they're wearing matching flannels. She's looking like a cowgirl. She's embraced the Southern lifestyle.

Kelly Benson, one left to comment. I think she lives in the countryside in England, but it's just different. But this is totally Crowley Corners. Totally. The comments are so funny. She's liking a lot of comments. I'm in shock.

This is a really strange pairing for a multitude of reasons, but mostly because Billy Ray is deeply unwell, his sons are worried about him, they're making videos trying to reach out to him. Meanwhile, earlier this month, she posted a video of herself frolicking on a beach in the Maldives and it was a real set to Billy Ray's song,

She's Not Crying Anymore. No, they're like, when you're spending a holiday with someone, like, you're together. She had tagged his account in that. If we had reported that, like, if I had heard about that, I would have never, I would have been like, you guys get a grip. It could be anything.

Yeah, so they were obviously in the Maldives together. I just feel like she's Elizabeth Hurley, you know? She could do better. Of course. Of course. That's what makes this so jarring. Yeah. And I would have thought she was somebody

with like a really strong head on her shoulders, you know? I mean, her history of relationships, like she dated famously Hugh Grant. She dated a businessman and a producer and you know, top quality fabrics. She's a bombshell, yes, top quality fabric. And now the fabric? This is polyester.

Okay, Dolores. Yeah, well that's where top quality, that's the antithesis of top quality. I may be cut from a different cloth, but it's top quality fabric. You're gonna like it. Best tagline ever. Tagline ever.

1000%. Ever. Ever, she referenced a storyline. She made it her own. We adapted it into everyday vernacular. Best tagline ever. Period. Period.

So we'll keep you posted on these two. I actually feel like very invested in their relationship and I'm gonna be keeping a close eye though. Do not mistake it for me rooting for them. Shipping, right. You know? Yeah, we're just monitoring. We're monitoring.

We're up here on the observation deck. Because I'm in shock. Truly. Are you ready for our next story? Three? Yes, some happy couple news. Kristen Stewart is a married woman. She married her fiance, Dylan Meyer,

in an intimate ceremony at her LA home. Well, their LA home. I mean, obviously I'm happy for Kristen Stewart, but like part of me, you know. You wish it were Rob. When I think of Kristen Stewart getting married, I think of Breaking Dawn, part one, you know? And I know that this wedding was probably nothing like that.

Robert Pattinson wasn't even invited, let alone the groom. An at-home wedding. invited, let alone the groom. An at home wedding. Actually, that's so true. Do you think like the, the entire wedding industry was like shifted, right? Like when that wedding came out, I think to this day people still reference like flowers

or the dress. It's like, it is, I mean, of course a thousand years. Like it is the, oh, did you see that she's turning, I actually saw this in the back of a taxi TV. They had like a little news segment. Christina Perry turned A Thousand Years into a children's novel. Oh, no, I didn't know a children's novel,

but you know that she has an album of- Of nurseries. Lullabies, where she's put songs like A Thousand Years and You Are My Sunshine she does and it's Pargy. Yes, okay, so sorry, I just remembered that I did that. So, oh yeah, so the wedding industry has completely been influenced by this one particular wedding even a decade later,

just style-wise, a million different things. Do you think even one iota of Kristen Stewart's real life wedding this weekend like had, you know, even a- Well, there's pictures from TMZ, not great pictures, but a couple you know. Even a- Well there's pictures from TMZ, not great pictures, but a couple and at first glance- Were the guests sitting on cut down tree stumps?

It's just pictures of the two of them at first glance, no, they're not even wearing wedding dresses nor suits. However, I do see a twinkle light. Okay, at the ceremony, yes, the reception. A fairy light. Excuse me. At the reception, excuse me. At the reception, there was a couple of fairy lights because then you know she has that very inappropriate dance

with Jacob under the twinkly lights. You know what I feel like she could have done from in her wedding that she definitely maybe took from Twilight? Because you know Kristen Stewart wore Converse under her wedding dress. Here she is wearing like a combat boot. Okay, Bella wore like tie-up, lace-up, converse. And I can see Kristen Stewart doing that too.

No, Claudia, like she hates Bella. I know, I know, I know. If anything that she were doing was even remotely reminiscent of Twilight, she would change it just for the sake of it. To not reference. To reference or not reference. Yeah, do you think Robert Pattinson hates Twilight? I don't.

No. I don't think he wants to lean in and be going to Comic-Con and stuff, but I don't think he looks back on it and hates it. I think she does, but the only time she's really ever spoken about it in depth was on that Howard Stern interview, which I've watched 1,000 times. And she does speak really lovely about Rob

and their relationship, but overall, like the film was not like her favorite. I would not for her. She talks a lot about it a little bit on not skinny but not fat. And that was like more recently and they were just like having fun, you know, where you've been Loka, like some of the lines

that she had to read. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just funny. So it's fun just to hear her talk about it. Even if she wants to laugh at it, fine. Like it's fun to hear her talk about it. I would feel more upset about Kristin and Rob, but now Rob is with Suki and they bring me a lot of joy.

Oh, they do bring lots of joy. So I feel joyful. Yeah, that's true. Where Twilight giveth, Twilight also taketh away. It's just when I picture Kristin Stewart getting married, she's at the Cullen house. She's certainly not. She's certainly not marrying Rob.

If I could get married all over again, like I would fly everyone to that house. I think it's in Seattle. You would get married in Seattle? That's so you. I would get married at that house. Yeah, 1000%. It's probably in Canada.

No, no, it's in Seattle. It's owned by one of the big head creative directors for Nike, and I think Nike's headquartered in Seattle. Where is the Twilight House? They're gonna give you Charlie's House in Forks. Portland, Oregon. Okay, same thing. Oregon.

Did I not say that? You said Seattle. Correct. Which is the same. PNW, how about that? And actually it does change things because I might get married in Seattle for the Twilight House.

I would not get married in Portland. And I mean that with full offense to Portland. Like to everyone who lives in Portland. I would never. Are they that different to you? Oh yeah. And like when people say like, I get asked all the time, like, where'd you get married?

I don't think I could say Portland, like I couldn't. I wouldn't be able to answer the question. I understand. And I know we have like three listeners in Portland and I'm sorry that I offended you and I'm sorry even more so that you live there. Like I really am. Yeah, but you know, they might.

I have been. And maybe they live there and like they don't like it either but their family's there and their job is there and it's what it is, but they're not gonna like start sticking up for Portland. No, I can say one positive thing about Portland. The first time I went, there's a mall there, and they have no sales tax,

and I bought a pair of Gucci loafers that I still have to this day that I absolutely love, and I got them for real cheap. And then the second time I went, the mall was closed down because the- Because of crime, right? Because of crime, yeah, they just couldn't handle having a nice mall. They couldn't stop all the crime,

so they had to shut down the mall. Shut down the mall, yeah. Classic. That makes sense. So I guess I won't be getting married at the Nike guy's Twilight house. Also, cause you're already married. Yes, technically. Semantics.

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on his serious relationship with a mystery woman. Oh, I didn't even know he had a girlfriend. Yep, he's in a new relationship. He chatted to his pal, Pat McAfee, classic. He's always talking about. Yeah, so he's talking about a lot of stuff. Future of his career, what he's up to. He said, I'll set it all straight.

From the jump, I'm in a different phase of my life. I'm 41. Wait, has it been confirmed he's off the Jets? He's off the Jets, but not confirmed if he's retiring from the NFL. Okay. He said, I'm 41 years old and I'm in a serious relationship.

I have off field stuff going on that requires my attention. He explained he has a lot of things that have been taking up his time since the beginning of the year. I have personal commitments I've made, not knowing what my future would look like after next year. I have a couple of people in my inner circle who are battling difficult stuff.

That's where I've been focusing most of my attention on. To make a commitment to a team is a big thing. He claimed that he generally lives a quiet life and wouldn't know the rumors about his future in the NFL if his family didn't keep him informed. He's a free agent. Family? Like he doesn't.

Family. What do you mean family? Like parents. I thought he doesn't talk to his family. So true. What family? So true. What family? So true. I don't know, they literally hate him.

Like aunts and uncles and cousins. Maybe there's a rogue cousin who keeps him abreast about what Twitter is saying. Yeah, because he's a free agent. Fans are waiting to see if he'll sign with another team or retire. He hasn't decided yet. He's not really listening to the noise.

And meanwhile, he mentioned his new girlfriend. He mentioned her in December on Pat McAfee, and Pat had joked that Rogers was in love, and he did not disagree. And he said, it's a good feeling, boys. Now, I feel like he's laying the groundwork to retire, just being like, because I don't see him, and again, I know so much, but so little about football.

I don't see him as like a desirable candidate, right? He's 41, that's really old in football years. He has a huge legacy, but the last two years he was brought to like revive a team. He got injured on day one and then the second season, like he stunk it up. So he, I don't know why anyone would wanna sign him, like for real.

I think people would wanna sign him. I think he's a really, compared to a rookie or like really new players, like he has a lot of talent. But a rookie has potential. I know, but like even if it's a two year deal or whatever, I don't think he wants to retire. I certainly don't think he wants to retire like this, like, oh, I got busy, gotta go.

No, same, I don't think he wants to retire. I don't think he's getting the offers that he thought that he might. And like going on Pat Back and be saying, oh, I have a cousin who's sick. Like it's laying the groundwork for if he does retire. Being like, I had a lot going on in my life. Like everybody wanted me.

I think he wouldn't go out like with a whimper like that, you know, and just like make an excuse. That means you don't have a choice. No, no, but like it would just be like, I am retiring. I've had a great career. Not like, it's got busy, sorry. Like I, so I think he's not gonna retire. I think there are a lot of teams,

especially like crappier teams, and especially teams that don't sell as many tickets as like the big blockbuster teams who not only could use a player that has his potential for talent, but he's a big name. And I don't even think it's about the money at this point. So I think there are definitely teams that would sign him.

It might not, it might be like- that would sign him. It might not. It might be like. I actually respectfully disagree. It might be, I don't know who's the worst team. I know it's the Cleveland Browns. Okay, that's what I was thinking, but I didn't know if that was because of draft day, which by the way, draft day is this week.

It is? It's on Thursday. Oh, I gotta get to know the players a little bit. I need to end up on draft day TikTok. Draft day, draft day, draft day. I'm very interested in the draft of football. I wonder who's getting drafted this year. Who are the top picks?

I love the NFL draft. I need my phone to start serving me content so I can like know stuff. Drafting is my favorite. I'm not gonna seek it out. I loved the movie Draft Day with Kevin Costner. I would love to see the real life version on my TikTok. I would love to see the real life version on my TikTok. I would love to see the real life version on my TikTok.

So just all that to say, I guess we'll see how it shakes out. I actually disagree with you. I think Aaron Rodgers is like not a desirable player. You didn't watch Enigma. I did not watch Enigma, you are correct about that. Nobody's working harder than Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, he had a bad- Sometimes it's not about hard work.

No, but like the first season was. You were limited. The first season got injured. Like that just, that's part of the game. Like you can't be mad at someone for getting injured. Even though I would be and I would be mad at the person. No, but I do think it's an indicator of your age. Like you're, you get injured more easily.

You think? Even though like. I'm gonna ask, watch this, Chachi BT. Chachi BT is our third co-host. Literally, okay, hold on. Would you consider Aaron Rodgers a desirable? Draft pick? Draft pick.

He's not getting drafted. A desirable employee? Player. Player. Player right now? Who do we know who knows really everything about football? An employee? Player. Player. Player right now, question mark. Who do we know who like knows really everything about football? You know what?

My husband knows a lot. That depends. That depends. But generally speaking, as of now, he's still a big name, but he's 41 and coming off a major Achilles injury from the 2023 season. His comeback with the Jets was underwhelming

and that's certainly not about how much, and there's uncertainty about how much longer he'll play. Teams likely see him as a short-term fix at best, not a long-term investment. Of course. By the way, fucking Jappy T, duh. So overall, he's desirable for certain short-term needs, but he is not a top tier quarterback.

Okay. Want to dive into this from a specific angle? No thanks. Thank you, Captain Obvious. That was not helpful. Yeah, seriously. We need the human element. All those things are, they just stated facts.

It's giving us jeeps. That is what AI is. They should be able to predict a little bit better. They should be able to present information in a more predictable capacity. Okay, so that was a flop. So I guess we'll just have to, you say one thing, I say another, and time will tell.

Right, is Olivia Rodrigo a one-hit wonder? That's also not what I said. Not what she said. It's true, that is like an age-old joke from the toast. Everyone thought that I said Olivia Rodrigo was a one-hit wonder. That's not what she said. It's true. That is like an age old like joke from the toast. That people are like- Everyone thought that I said Olivia Rodrigo was a one hit wonder.

That's not what I said. This was by the way, you guys, this was years ago after Driver's License. Yeah. And the second song already came out and it was doing really well. What was the second song? Brutal.

Deja Vu. Okay, Deja Vu. And you're like, so she's not a one hit wonder. And I said, it's too soon to call it. That's what I said. Yeah, that is what she said. And now you know how I feel like it's famous toast lore that people remember incorrectly, rascal.

Yeah, so I never said that about Livia Rodrigo. She didn't say that. Okay. So maybe we should put some money on this. Actually, let's put money on it. Okay. So you're betting that he's not playing next season. I'm betting that he is. Yeah, I'm gonna bet that he's not. Okay. Hundred dollars to the Mark Schoenmutter Holocaust Education Foundation. I love that. Someone

reminds me of this. A thousand. A thousand. Like come on. Aaron, you better fucking get on the field. Sure. Aaron, take the L. go home. Okay, someone remind us of this like whenever, because we'll forget. When it happens, yeah. Okay, it's still a good cause, I'm in coach. Yeah, and let this be a reminder, you too, you don't even need to wait for Aaron Rodgers' decision, you can make a donation to the Mark Schoenmutter

Holocaust Education Foundation, mshef.org. A great cause. Okay. Aaron, do it for the children. Aaron, I'm older. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? I am. Sutton Strack is giving Garcelle the space she needs

after their suspected friendship fallout. Yeah, I think that's best. Sutton is giving Garcelle space after her former co-star unfollowed the entire cast on social media, including Sutton, as we discussed last week. But now Sutton gave a statement to page six saying, Garcelle has chosen to unfollow all of the Housewives.

I can only imagine that she needs a clean break right now. I love her and I'm giving her the space she needs. She notes that Garcelle, whom she is close friends with, is still following her business accounts, the Sutton concept and Sutton brands. She probably just forgot about those, honestly. They are so forgettable. No, like she forgot to unfollow them.

And thanks for reminding her. Even though when she searched Sutton in her following, it should have. That's true. You're right. Okay. She said, I know that she's going to move through this next chapter with grace and success.

So let me say this, cause I've actually been thinking a lot about Garcelle. She was my weenie of the week on Friday, and I completely stand by that. Although I think that the one thing she's absolutely justified in being mad about is her anger towards Sutton, right? Her and Sutton on this island together and this whole season,

I've been seeing people now clipping things on social media of things Sutton did. It was very clear all season, Sutton had this attachment specifically to Kyle because I think it's her real connection to the group in such a loser-y, pathetic type of way. Whereas Garcelle is standing there open arms like a real friend and she's just really ignoring

Garcelle the entire time. So Garcelle's gripe with Sutton is completely legitimate. I wanna say that. Yeah, I feel like Sutton thinks Garcelle's mad at everyone but she's mad at Sutton the least because you know, but she has to like just like have a clean break from the group and Sutton's part of the group and then she'll come back around.

She's mad at Sutton the most. She's mad at Sutton the most. She doesn't care about the other women. She doesn't care about Doreen. She doesn't care about Doreen. She didn't unfollow. And that was the whole issue. She didn't unfollow Doreen because she is mad at her. She unfollowed Doreen because we're no longer

working together. I don't have to follow you anymore. I don't give a fuck about your life. Correct, correct, correct, correct. So she's, you're right, Sutton has no idea like that this is all about her. She is maddest at Sutton, I think, but their friendship is really the only one

that's salvageable, because they're the only one that had a friendship. It would be so weird to me if after this, they stopped being friends and they were then, in hindsight, only friends because they were on the show together. I thought that they had- But the thing is, I don't believe that they were. They had a real friendship.

No, I agree, but if they stopped being friends after this, then that's what that is, that they didn't have a real friendship that would withstand whether or not they're both on the show, that it was just a show friendship. Like Erica's still best friends with Sabrina. No, I know that is sad.

And I think that I... Cause it was a real friendship, but the reason Garcelle left had so much to do with Sutton that they can't be friends. So I don't think it makes it like a show, a show ship. Garsel was not interested in- Garsel?

Garsel was not interested in the players on the show. That was the difference between Sutton and Garsel. Garsel was happy to just be on Hater Island talking shit and doing the show. This is a job, this is a show. These women are not my friends. But Sutton is my friend. Sutton was not interested in that.

She wants to have relationships with everyone. So I think that like, it's not that she chose the other women over Garcelle. It's just like, that's not where she wanted to like be in this dynamic in the group. Well, also she has to think of herself and the future of her on the show too, right? And being on an island, Hater Island,

with one other person is a fun couple of seasons, but it's limiting, right? Because if you really have no connection to any of these women, that's what happened to Garcelle, they have no choice but to let you go because you make no sense. Okay, but Garcelle chose to lead. Nobody was firing her, not even close.

Yeah, of course, no, I'm saying, but I think Sutton's also forward thinking about her career on the show being like, I can't be on Hater Island for much longer. But Sutton is at the present integral to the show. Yes, yes. Like she's fine. Her position is not in jeopardy.

It's not, but I don't think it's an interesting or like a long-term solution. Yeah. To be just like hater, hater, season after season, like you and your best friend hating on everyone, like making no real connections outside of that. But I do think like Sutton and Garcelle like will talk and maybe Sutton will apologize,

but I don't think Garcelle will forgive her because it's like you didn't wanna choose me and be my best friend when there were all these other people here, like why do I need a friendship with you now? I'll never see you again. And I wanna take ourselves right for that. I agree.

There's no need for her to be friends with Sutton anymore. So their friendship was a show friendship after all. And that's so sad because it really wasn't. Yeah. It was almost like they got close when they weren't filming. I remember one season they came out and they were just like besties. And it's like, oh, you guys just loved each other

regardless of- It was so genuine. Yeah. So it didn't feel that way. But if they can't like make amends and want to have their, and even Garcelle, like I would be like Garcelle, well, the way we think Garcelle will be,

which is like, no, you didn't choose me when like, it matters. When I needed you too. When like, I don't need to be your like friend on the side. No thanks. A thousand percent. However, someone who loves that friendship and will miss that person might be more forgiving. Yeah, if it really added value to your life.

Yeah, and it makes you sad to not be friends with that person, take him back. I could see in a few years, an okay magazine, I'm like, look, Garcelle and Sutton reunite, and we don't care anymore. No, we don't care anymore. But I understand, Sutton triediting, like we don't care anymore. No, we don't care anymore. But I understand, like Sutton's ready to give her space because she needs to like, she's mad

and she needs to go through those emotions. Like you can't just stop being mad like that. So, and she needs to give her space to miss her. And you're right that like Sutton also doesn't really understand like that this is really about her. Yeah, no, you're not like the last on the list. You're number one. Yeah.

It's not a coincidence. Those were part G fast five. I actually really enjoyed them. And you dared to call them weak. I did. You were giving weak energy when you were describing them. That's the only thing I'll say. I said interesting.

And they were. We had the Pope. We had Elizabeth Hurley and Billy Ray. How would you have described the stories? Cosmopolitan, you know, we hit Italy, we hit British with Elizabeth Hurley, back in America with the housewives. Billy Ray Cyrus is very cosmopolitan.

I would agree. You look up the word in the dictionary. It's a picture of him and Elizabeth Hurley kissing. You guys, that's our show. Thank you so much for listening to The Toast, the millennial morning show where we deliver the fast stories you need to know for Monday through Friday on YouTube, so you're watching us on YouTube, please.

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