The Toast - A Sad Day For Women: Thursday, April 3rd, 2025

Episode Date: April 3, 2025

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It's Jackson Claude and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show. The Fast Five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast. They sound amazing. Welcome back to the toast and happy Thursday. Hope everybody's having a gargi pargi day. Perhaps they are because they scored a piece of gargi pargi merch. Our new spring merch collection just dropped and wearing one of our models, one of our featured models is world renowned supermodel

Jacqueline Follet. She flew in all the way from Paris to model the girly baby tee. She is wearing it looking party. Hey, Jax, how you doing? Hey, Coders, Woders, Foders, Sojourners. Truth, I'm doing good. I am wearing the little girly tee, which we've dropped before, but we re-released it, restocked it. It's a fan favorite. It's so cute.

Every time I wear it, I'm like, I'm so cute. So I'm just wearing it with some barrel jeans and a little cardigan. And I'm feeling cute in my girly merch. And you can get it now at shoptoastmerch.com. Some things have sold out, but now they're available for pre-order. And pre-order just means that you're gonna get it like how you would have gotten any merch before,

which is just gonna take a little time. Yes, so I am wearing one of our sold out items. It is the green Toasty T. Like only wearing the things that are sold out. Well, they're sold out for a reason. You're not sold out because you can get them. Yeah, a couple of items, the mug and the tote, but you can still order all these things.

The other thing that I have on hand. Yes, exactly. Girlie mugs are available for pre-order. This is a great mug. The website is shoptoastmuch.com. I know that shopairmez.com got like a bunch of traffic this morning and they were probably like, what's happening? But we're here to let them know that classic mix up

Hermes are bad. Yeah. Won't happen again. Actually probably will. They're not here for you. No. And they will come to see her. So that was exciting.

And they will line up. Oh, did you see that Rachel Zegler clip? I'm on a side of X. And I can only hope that everything I do and every premiere, they will line up. I'm on a side of X where they are serving me in sufferable Rachel Zegler content. Do you think that she was quoting a monologue there?

Cause it's like, is she doing a self tape for an audition? I think that the first half is a quote. And then the second half is like her extrapolation of it because the quote doesn't talk about a premiere. No, no, no. Yeah, she's quote, there is a quote, but is the whole thing perhaps like a famous monologue from a play.

It sounds like she's literally auditioning for something. I agree with you. And she had to prepare a monologue. I feel like if that were the case, it would have been debunked so quickly. Like it would have been known already. Yeah, yeah. Like, oh, you guys are clowning on her.

Like that was an audition. But I did see like Rachel Zegler, we did talk about this on IMDB. And then other people noticed she has no jobs lined up after Snow White. No, no, she does. She's playing Evita in the West End. She's making her West End debut.

Oh, right, right, sorry. That doesn't go on IMDB. Doesn't go on IMDB, which is a big deal, but movie-wise, no, she doesn't. I don't know if that's common in, I don't think it is. But it is. Everyone's got something in pre-production, even if it never happens.

She is playing somewhat of a large sort of sought after role in the West End. Are you going to go see it? You're like so up on it. I'm not up on it. It's just like a fun fact that I happen to know. Like it keeps coming up. Like I'm keep I keep being able to pull it out of my back pocket. I don't know if she's there yet actually. She should. But I know she's plans to be there. She should go. Today's a special day. It's my husband's birthday.

It is, I need to send him like a, maybe I'll post on Instagram. I'm thinking of my post on Instagram to my prisoner. That would be crazy if I post on Instagram for him and I like barely post for my husband. But I just find it easier to post like a silly, goofy, happy birthday than like an emotional heartfelt one.

Yeah, with like the merch launch this morning, I wasn't able to commit to like the heartfelt montage. I'll do it later today, because I know Ben loves a birthday montage and like a public declaration of love. So does my husband. He's still waiting for me to post about our anniversary. So here's my public declaration of love,

even though he'll never hear it, because he doesn't listen to my podcast. But if he did, he would hear me say, happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, Wondelicious. Happy birthday to you. I feel like Skylar from Breaking Bad,

the fact that you haven't watched that show is so crazy. Yeah. Well, I wanna say thanks to Ben for a great year. It wasn't like other years. We spent most of it inside in bed. I loved every minute of it, but who knows if he actually did or if he's just lying because he doesn't wanna enrage me.

Either way, I'll take it. Well, it was only like half the year, right? Yeah, I got into bed in September. So that's about six months. He had a, like, and you guys were going to the Hamptons before that and the farm and the country club, like, he got, he got kind of an active half a year.

Well, whatever it is, I love ya. Happy birthday to you, my Aries king. Okay. Happy birthday to you, my Aries king. Okay. Amolda. Aries, Amolda. I'm so over horoscopes. I was never under them to be clear, but I feel as though we as a society

have taken it way too far. No, it's such like low hanging intellectual fruit. Like someone could say something because you don't have something to say back. You're like, that's just the cancer in you. No, I forget where I was. Where was I recently? Maybe with Dana.

She's really into horoscopes. It's so contradictory because she's so intellectual. Someone was asking me about like my horoscope and Ben's horoscope and like what the baby's horoscope is gonna be. And I'm like, it was nice conversation. Like they were nice people, but I was seriously like, please stop.

I'm surprised you don't tolerate horoscope conversation when it's about you. Like, because people do try and like give you insight into yourself. It's so stupid. Like I actually, even my obsession with talking about myself doesn't even help. Like it's, I'm sorry, I know this is like offensive

to like a wide ranging group of people, but I seriously think it's the stupidest thing ever. I just think if you're into horoscopes, like go ahead, but you need to have a thick skin. Like you need to understand. I like that. That people are gonna clown on you. I like being a vegan, right?

Right. Like do what you need to do, but just understand that people aren't gonna understand it. But you have to be stronger than that. Kind of like being a Disney adult. You know? Kind of like being a Disney adult. Right, take heed from the Disney adults.

They're doing it right. They are, cause they have this weird hobby, but you know what, they don't give a fuck and they get made fun of all the time and it only emboldens them. Like don't get offended, block out the noise. Who are we? Block out the noise. Who are we? Block out the noise.

Who are we? We're Jackson Clared, hosts of The Toast. Today's gonna be a fabulous episode. It is our last episode of the week, which obviously is devastating for the listeners, exciting for the hosts. But it's kind of not because the reason why there is no show tomorrow is Jax is taking like a road trip

with like her sister, who's not me, to go see their favorite. With two sisters. They're all going, I thought just Margot. No, and Trouty's going too. And one of my mom friends, we're like a little girl gang. Wow, I've been really replaced.

Yeah, there's like four girls going. And they're going to see Rascal Flatts. Like the hits start coming and they don't stop coming. I wish I was waking up tomorrow just to go to work for a regular Friday, but no, instead I'll probably have to throw my phone out the window. Like, I know this is like a much smaller scale of how you felt when we all went to the Aira store

and had to leave you behind because of Cirque L'Oreal. And it was like a whole weekend. And it was all of your friends from college. So I can't even begin to complain and like relate to what you went through back then. But you also don't have crippling FOMO like I do. And it's good, I've booked plans for the weekend. Like I'm gonna stay busy so I can,

I seriously, I might have to block you and Margot. And Olivia now, I didn't realize Olivia was going. You do what you have to do. And it's just so crazy because I am seriously a Rascal Flatts super fan. Like what I'm doing this weekend, I would not do for any other artist under the sun, which is just like leave my bubble.

What about the Gavin DeGraw? No, you wouldn't. That's no, he's more accessible. Actually, I don't worry so much and I'll never see him again. But I feel like if I don't see Rascal Flatts this time around, like I might not ever see them again. And like that's how they're fleeting.

That's how important they are to me. Like I know Gavin will come back around. So I'm really, really excited. And this is like, yeah, they're my favorite brand. I feel like I can say that with certainty because I would not do this for anyone else. I'm so jealous. Have the best time.

Like seriously. Tomorrow we are gonna record something fun when we have a moment. Remember we had that plan for Patreon? Oh, I don't know. We're not gonna do that. Oh, I mean, I might be able to. I might be able to.

Okay, we'll talk. Well, it's Ben's birthday, so I've planned a little something, you know. You have a big weekend planned. Yeah, but I think I'm free in the morning if you. Okay, we'll sync up, but you, Ben and Rodeo have such a cute weekend planned. Yeah, not as fun as'm free in the morning if you if you okay, we'll sync up But you've been in rodeo have a such a cute weekend planned Yeah, not as fun as honestly like love my husband as going to rascal thoughts with my sister's like I know

Would you call this a baby moon? I? Mean I would because we didn't take anything else, but no I think that I was I was just having this conversation with someone the concept of a baby moon is like really nice But it's so crazy to me because I know a lot of people go like far, you know? And I don't know, I feel weird about being any further from the doctor than Florida, honestly. Like that's, I've been to Florida a couple of times.

That's the only place I've really been in my pregnancy. And I don't know, I just feel like, what are you going to Zimbabwe? What about your doctor? What about your doctor? Yeah. I wouldn't leave the country. But yeah, they'll go to like Italy for the baby moon.

That's real. So you would have to go like not after five months. But they do, cause they're there like bumping. Yeah, that's just not me. So sure, this is like a mini baby moon. That implies a maxi baby moon is coming. Okay, so it's just a moon, full moon. Oh.

I think the phrase full moon is really funny. Like in terms of like, like when you moon someone, like it's your tushy, right? Oh, that's funny. I was, I was thinking about the moon, not mooning whatsoever. Oh, I was thinking about like tushies. And when you say, not mooning whatsoever. Oh, I was thinking about like, tushies. And when you say you're mooning someone.

Well, that's flashing them, yeah. But it's tushy, right? I think it could be any of those parts. No, I don't think lifting up your boobies is calling mooning, like that's flashing. I think technically it's all mooning, but you just associate it with tushy, but dude, some Googling.

Let's see what Gemini says. Mooning is to expose one's buttocks to someone in order to insult or amuse them. So it's just tushy. It's just tush. And is that because, I mean, I'm thinking through my own lens, like I know not everybody has like an ass as white as the moon,

but mine is like so white, literally the color of the moon. Is that where the phrase originates from or no? I don't think it's about the color. Maybe it's about the shape. The shape too, right? Okay, wait, my phone is easier to talk into, hold on. Where does the term mooning originate from? Or maybe it's something that like, you know,

they did back during the full moon in the crusade. The word moon has been used in English to describe the shape of a person's buttocks. You were right, shape, not me centering myself in my extremely pasty white ass. It was a good guess. Mooning as a form of insult or protest can be tracked back even further.

I'm telling you. Historical accounts suggest that mooning was used by Roman soldiers as a form of mockery. The crusaders. And there are documented instances of it in medieval Europe as well. One famous example incurred in 1346 during the Siege of Calais,

when a Frenchman allegedly mooned English troops. The modern usage of mooning as a term of deliberately exposing one's backside gained popularity in the 20th century, particularly in Western pop culture, college pranks and protest movements. Would you like to know more about specific historical mooning incidents?

No thanks. Yes, I would. Why, yes I would, thank you. So funny, how did he get his armor off so quickly? Yeah, it wasn't as easy to moon back then. No, you didn't have pants, you had like chain link. I guess like me, now that I'm thinking about it, like me and Ben definitely like moon each other.

Like. That doesn't, I don't think that will surprise anyone. Like Ben will be like working. I'm like, look. It's my tissue. Like I think it's like funny, but I guess it is mooning. Yeah, what am I like a frat kid? Are you doing it for mocking or amusement?

I'm doing it for mocking, no, amusement, exclusively, entertainment. And then Ben will do it too. You're like that French soldier. I'm really cracking up. I don't know why, saying it as mooning is just funnier than, I showed my tushy. Whatever, you showed your tushy, whatever.

That's insane that Ben's working and you're like, hey, look over here. Yeah, no, not so much these days because I'm not like in love with my body. Not that I really ever was, but you know, there were times in my life where I was a little bit more comfortable. I don't think the French soldier did it

because he's in love with his body. Maybe he did it as like a vicious act of self-love. That's beautiful. Yeah. Such a little history and vocabulary lesson of the day. Word of the day, mooning. Try using it in a sentence. I hope not sporadically, of course.

That's beautiful. We've got Southern Charm, nope, Summer House. Recap at the end. They're so the same these days. Literally. And you and I weren't able to watch last week because we were gallivanting in New York City

being socialized. So today's TV recap is gonna be a little extra juicy. We've got two episodes to recap. Yeah. And there was a lot that went down. How are the stories? I say the stories, they come together in an obvious way. You know, like I feel like whatever,

like I shared, like you've probably seen, I mean, it just needs discussing. So what you're saying is they've come together, very Beatles of you. Yeah, I don't think I would say that. Part of the show where we issue corrections from the day prior, I have to take responsibility for something I was on here bragging,

like nobody got me for April Fool's. He he he he he. Meanwhile, when I was telling everybody that I read Mickey Madison, Mickey Madison was gonna be Cass's yoga owner and that was kind of crazy because she's not Asian. Turns out that was from an account called Poo Crave, not Pop Crave, it's like a parody account.

They make up news and I more often catch myself, but I really believed it because it's kind of a good call. That's what I'm saying. And it's sad for Mickey Madison that she's not being even considered for. We don't know that. Yeah. Maybe someone will see that and be like,

that feels right. Like I did. Inspiration. So I'm sorry to have spread false information. You know that goes against everything I believe in and I'm here to do better and listen and learn. Thank you for clearing that up. And in the battle against disinformation, I, Turti Luashre Freebush Soffer, will do better.

Even though I did say, like I didn't, I actually looked into it and I didn't see it anywhere else. So. Yeah, I just didn't like fully put together like I had been the victim of a prank. We were just one letter off. I'm always one letter off. That's all.

But that's what's sad when April Fools are like disappointing. Like I know everyone wants, does want like Spritz Manish of it and it's like, well darn, darn, darn. I want a dye brow. Right, the Dyson Eyebrow Brush. Yeah. Yeah, there wasn't anything that like was launched that like I really needed.

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You're welcome. Our first story, a little Kelly drama Kelly Clarkson allegedly wants to quit her talk show and leave New York City But NBC is desperate to keep her happy So page 6 is reporting that Kelly is looking to leave her afternoon talk show When her contract expires next year and NBC execs are searching for ways to keep her on the network Multiple sources have told page six exclusively. So she was off the air for almost two weeks last month for what she described as a personal matter. It doesn't, we don't know if that's related to now.

Source is saying that she wants to step down from the show that she has been helping since 2019 to spend more time with her children. They say Kelly's number one priority is her children. They always will be. The show is grueling. It's a whole lot of work. And I hear that Kelly would like to spend more time down south. Yeah, also I think the show requiring her to live in New York is really crazy.

Kelly's not the elk of a New Yorker and I forget why, but a week or two ago, I was actually Googling, trying to find out where Kelly Clarkson lives, not to be a freak, but I was just curious because, oh, we were talking about on the toast, we're like, she probably lives in Westchester or whatever. People are like, no, she lives in the city. And I just, I don't see that for her,

especially at her kids, like that's just not Kelly. So I actually understand lifestyle wise, why she wouldn't want to live here. Although I'm sure they could make it work in which she does her show out of Nashville. Like, and if NBC wants her that bad, that's easy. That seems obvious. She's not the elk of a city slicker.

And I do think she wants to get back to God's country. And she's been doing the show and living in New York for six years, and that's a long time. Especially, maybe it is related to the personal matter, but maybe she just wants a different, slower life. I don't think it is. Like when you do a daily show, things happen.

So Kelly has to like. I know, it's so hard. And when she has kids, it's hard not to be like a conspiracy theorist, but I actually don't think anything happened. Yeah, sometimes you just need two weeks off and you don't wanna tell anyone why. And that's okay. Yeah, I do agree with that,

but I feel like for Kelly, she needs to go back down south and the show can follow her there or they cannot. She's in a great position because she probably doesn't need the money. She probably likes doing the show, but not more than she likes her life, her personal life.

So great, if you wanna give me everything I want and build a studio in my house on a ranch, sure. If not, being able to walk away, it's powerful. Yeah, I wonder if there are cities that they could agree on where she would be happy and they could have guests come through and have their production and stuff. Yeah, I guess the hard thing is people who are doing press go to New York

and they go to LA for press. Like that's literally it. There's not like a stop in Nashville, unless you're a country music singer. Yeah. So it's limiting. It is limiting, but she could just walk away too. I don't know why, like I feel like she should.

This show seems really hard, even though it's really successful. Like, I also don't care. Like I love Kelly and like I love her show. I love Kelly. Okay hard, even though it's really successful. For what? For what? I also don't care. I love Kelly and I love her show. I love Kelly, okay, I love what it's done for her. But at the same time, I'm not a big fan of the show itself. So quit, I love that for you.

Yeah, leave them wanting more. You can go out on top. You had a successful daytime show. Well, that's powerful. Yeah. Nobody can tell you nothing. And nobody can say that. Nobody can say that they had a successful daytime show

that they usually used to rip it from their hands. Right. Yeah. So, and maybe this would leave time for her to like do more pop star stuff, which I would like. Do more music. I do like her hosting era, like I love, but I'm ready for her to be like a normal celebrity,

like who does interviews. She kind of does. And it's a lot of her work is not about her, right? She's like learning from other people. Boring. I want to hear about Kelly. Yeah. Even that story she told on Kylie Kelsey's podcast

that we talked about yesterday about like the person who's hosting, who's judging the voice right now, who was mean to her. Like she is interesting. Let's hear, what about Kelly? So I actually think if you watch her show, I think she shares personal anecdotes. And I think like when she has a guest,

she also like relates it back to her experience, but you would like have to watch the show. I know. And it's not very Gen X of me, like to not be watching it. I just- That's where you draw the line. No, I follow them on TikTok.

Like I watch all their clips. It feels like enough. It really does. You kind of get the essence of the show. Yeah, no, and it's doing great. And I'm so proud of her, you know? Yeah. And I think, I don't know,

I don't really remember where she was at culturally in 2019, but this show did wonders for her, right? Especially Kelly Oakey with TikTok, like really introduced her to a younger audience. She's now like the cover queen. There's like so many jokes in pop culture. Don't let Kelly Clarkson cover one of your songs. So I really feel like it was very good for her.

She spoke, I remember on Watch Happens Live about how she's had a lot of peaks and valleys in her career and it's been difficult at times to get people to wanna make music with her. And now she's so out of that. She's like a bona fide icon now. And I think in large part due to the show and then NBC like,

helping tapping her. I think due to the toast. Like seriously, it could be proper up anymore. Even before she was on NBC, like nobody was stumping harder for Kelly Clarkson. Even though if Kelly has like a clock winding down on her time in New York, that means she also has a clock winding down

on her likelihood of coming on the toast. So let's just put it out there again, Kelly, please. She doesn't wanna come on. No, no, she does. I'm telling you, we heard from her team once when she was doing chemistry press. She has done so much press, like podcasts, swirly, like, you know, nonsense video press, whatever. Crickets.

She doesn't want to come on. Stop saying that. Like she does. I know she does. But then she, I met- Wait, I met her. I met her and I told her about the toast. Do we forget that? At the Celine Dion Amazon Prime event.

And she was obviously, she was aware of the swirlitude. She had a swirly next to her. And she was like, that's the swirlies. And she was like so nice. And I told her about my 5K. Like I love her Jackie, she's coming. Stop. She's coming.

Hashtag Kelly is coming. I just like, she's my fave. I've given up, you know, for so long. She's like, stop. She's coming. She is coming. Hashtag Kelly is coming. I just like, she's my fave. I've given up, you know, for so long, she's like my dream guest, but I feel like I forget what she was doing press for. Don't give up. No, I don't, don't give up for real. No, but not in like a negative way.

Just like, I'm moving on. I'm moving on. If they sing that, like seriously kill me. Have less I can see. Call me if they do, okay? Even though the setlist is like, is set. You know, Sachi Cratchy sent the setlist. I didn't even look at it.

Oh yeah, run through it with me. Okay, here. Hopefully it sucks. It's so funny. She literally works in music. Like the way she's texting her, what time do they go on? What's the setlist? Right, Margot's so crazy. They the way she's texting her, what time do they go on? What's the set list?

Right, Margot's so crazy. They open with here's to you. Okay, by the way, and it makes me feel better. I have seen Rascal Flatts. Yeah, yeah. You and I went in Dallas, we had the best time. So I've heard them sing that song. Then yours if you want it.

Fuck, okay. Then Fast Cars and Freedom. Oh, they didn't sing that when we were together. And I just wanna say, like, actually, I'm Moving On is not the song that like, I will kill myself if they sing. If they sing How They Remember You, like that. Oh, I heard that one at PNC Bank Arts Center in New Jersey

and it was like very emo. I love that song. It's such a powerful message. It's not a powerful message. But did you make them laugh? Did you make them cry? Did you quit or did you hide? They do say I'm moving on but they're not singing that this time.

They're not singing I'm moving on or they are. They are. Oh damn. Then four was Stand, Mayberry, which I'm having a Renaissance with. The Blake Shelton cover is amazing. Blake Shelton version's very good. Amazing.

Yeah. My Wish, classic. I could live without it. You gotta play My Wish though. Like it's Rascal Flatts, Banjo, I'm moving on. Oh, I fucking love Banjo. Why Wait, so good. I Dare You, the Jonas Brothers song.

Oh, that song's really good too. Then these days, so good. I was just listening to that this morning. That's what I'm doing these days. No, that's a tear-jerker. Oh, then they do Sweet Caroline, fun. Bum, bum, bum. It's so Gen X of them.

Bless the broken road, of course. Could live without. Yeah, same. Oh, the blood of Jesus. Yes, they do some worship music. I do know that it's part of their set list. Maybe that's when you go to the bathroom or something. Yeah, no, I'll-

Partake? I'll support, support my boys. I like the sound of that, so good. Cute. Cardial-ish. What Hurts the Most, classic. Oh, I like that song. They're best selling songs, like What Hurts the Most,

Bless the Broken Road, like to me, play if you- Well, they're just like overplayed. But- Yeah, play your Justin Bieber collab, you know? I actually love What Hurts the Most, even though it's overplayed. Kind of like Life is a Highway. Like it will always hit for me.

Life is a Highway does always hit. And then Me and My Gang. Me and My Gang. That's literally me, you, Romeo, and Bruno. We live to rock, We rock to live. Well, I hope you have the best time. And then the encore is summer nights and life is a highway, which you know me,

I leave before the encore. What are the rascals? I know, and I think we're driving. So like, we kind of could stay. I will definitely stay for summer nights. I might like, it's not in me to like stay till the last song. I could be having the time of my life at a concert, but like when I know it's the time to leave to beat the traffic, especially like at MSG or something like I don't care what happens next. I'm out. I know I care more about the efficiency

of the exit than anything else Taylor Swift gate. Of course. I was also like in the thick of first trimester nausea. I was going to die at that stadium. But it's like, I feel like people didn't believe me that I just like would leave. Like I will leave during life as a highway. I will do that. Yeah, no, I I'm with you. Like my obsession with efficiency and like beating lines trumps any song. No, and like when I think back like when Zach and I went to the Stanley Cup, like the joy I felt like leaving right before like the final second.

You're like you driving past all the cars that are still parked. People haven't even gotten, like that feeling. And we're like hearing the buzzer in the stadium. And it's like our team is about to win the Stanley Cup. Like I'm happier to leave than to watch us win the Stanley Cup. Yeah.

But the Swifties of course took it personally, right? Of course they did, but that's just not our problem. I'm not gonna forgive them for that. I'm not gonna forgive them either. And I wouldn't even be mad if you never forgave me for letting you take the fall for that. When the reason we left was me. You know I love it, coaches.

I know, I know Jackie loves to say, she's like, yeah, bring it on. Whereas I was like feeling so guilty. I was just like dying and Ben was texting Jackie, like, can you please get Claudia out of there? Like I was so not okay. And so we left like- Especially when I know I've done nothing wrong.

And then like people are coming at me with, cause like they don't know. Jackie is seriously like, she is fueled on moments like that. Yeah. And I just like have the higher ground. And I'm like, I'm looking down like Regina George at all the moments. Yes, yes.

On the mess you created. Are you ready for our next story? Is it seriously number two? It's only number two. And it's sad news about Teddy Mellencamp, but she is sharing the tragedy in her life. Well, also still having a humorous spin on things, which is just so admirable.

But she did an interview with Us Weekly that came out yesterday, and she said that she is fighting for her life as doctors discover four more brain tumors as her cancer battle rages on. And it's metastasized into her brain. Yeah. She says as she continues her fight against her diagnosis, she has stopped using her famed phrase, mom always comes back with her family. She said, I've not said that line to them since I've been back from the hospital.

They all know that I'm fighting the hardest I possibly can, but I haven't said it because I don't want to lie to them and I don't know. So she is still in ongoing treatment for her cancer, which has gotten worse. And she's opened up about that. She also talks about the housewives bit of it and everyone who's reached out and she's still a podcaster at heart. Like she's still giving us the drama. Yeah, she shared the one housewife who has not reached out and that was Garcelle. She said that up until recently,

Dorit hadn't reached out cause she didn't like feel like she- Know if she should. Yeah, which I understand that feeling, but then- I bet Garcelle feels that way too. Yeah. Even though like Garcelle has less of a relationship with her than Dorit.

Like their time on the show- Like are they enemies or are they just strangers? See, I don't think it's like really contentious with Garcelle. has less of a relationship with her than Dorit. Their time on the show, they barely crossed over. Are they enemies or are they just strangers? See, I don't think it's really contentious with Garcelle. I think it's like they barely knew each other and now I'm sure she doesn't wanna be surrounded by people she doesn't know. That might be how I felt.

I just feel like for Garcelle, the hits start coming and they don't stop coming. This woman can't catch a break right now. Whereas I actually don't think it was evil. Garcelle's not a mean person. I just think I can understand how she got to break right now. Whereas like, I actually don't think it was like evil. Griselle's not a mean person. Like I just think I can understand how she got to the conclusion where it was like, maybe Teddy doesn't need to hear from me.

Yeah, I can understand that too, but apparently Teddy noticed. And she also said to read, like sent a really nice text. At first she was like, whatever Dureed sends, it's like, doesn't matter. But apparently the text Dureed sent was like so powerful that like, I think they might be able to might be able to get out to a good place, which is really nice.

So it really wasn't until yesterday that I saw this news about Teddy Mellencamp that it actually set in that she has cancer. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I feel like up until this point, she's always been really vocal about her melanoma and how she's had so many surgeries

to get skin cancers removed from her back. And it's always like she's had mom comes back. And then even with this tumor thing, it's like, okay, she had like a crazy brain surgery, like she's fine. Now I'm like understanding like she has brain cancer. Like there's like a high, like I think I was reading up, it's like a 50, 50 shot of making it through.

And then also what I had read was that like, when you have tumors pushing on your brain like that, it can really affect your decision-making skills. And so so much of what I think what we were seeing before she knew she had the tumors, like her alleged affair with her horse trainer, like can perhaps be pointed to her tumors. Interesting.

Which I thought was crazy, but you see that like on SVU, like when somebody has a tumor and then they start doing crazy things and they like plead insanity because the tumor was pushing on their frontal lobe. Okay, yeah, that makes sense, but she didn't seem like she was doing crazy. I mean, she might've just had an affair

because she was also doing a podcast, which is very successful. I think she was like very cogent. Like, I don't know what- You know, I don't think she was like crazy, like, you know, chaos, but like when you do something out of character, like step out on your husband, like maybe.

Yeah, she's not saying that though. No, no, and honestly- And they're like still getting divorced. Yeah, she's not saying that though. No, no, honestly. And they're still getting divorced. Yeah, and she was talking about dating. It's a very complicated situation. Like you would imagine that this would sort of like put things on hold. They would just like forget the divorce for now.

On hold. But no, it's ongoing. Yeah, especially just like if anything happens, like you're the kid's guardian, like you just wanna like keep it cool. And I can't begin to imagine, but that's just a little sound and surprising. Me too, I just assumed that they were like

putting the divorce on pause for now. They weren't like getting back together, but they were just like- Yeah, but they're not like meeting with lawyers in between chemotherapy. Yeah, I thought that was kind of strange. Yeah. Whatever works.

Yeah, so wishing her the best. Like I think the whole world is like rallying behind her and she's just like on everyone's mind. And it's just, it's very, very sad. So sad, it really is. Our next story, I actually wish was an April Fool's prank because as Katy Perry and Lauren Sanchez prepare to go on their all female trip to space,

remember, they are on the cover of Elle and Katy says we're going to put the ass in astronaut. Yes, Claudia. She makes it so hard to be a kitty cat. She's seriously indefensible when she does shit like that. It's like- Katy Perry and Lauren Sanchez are committed to wearing glam that's out of this world.

Oh my God, I'm vomiting. This is actually setting women back. Katy Perry and Lauren Sanchez are committed to wearing glam that's out of this world. Oh my God, I'm vomiting. This is actually setting women back. This is awful for women. Listen, they are getting ready to blast off into space on April 14th with Gail King, a former NASA rocket scientist, Asia Bow. A former?

A former NASA, a civil rights activist, Amanda Wen, and film producer, Carrie Anne Flynn. So it's an all female crew going to space for the first time, except previously one female Russian astronaut went to space alone. So that was an all female crew. Very true. That was in 1963, but it'll be the first time

anyone has ever journeyed to space in full glam. No, this is seriously so embarrassing. I identify as a man now. Like I want no part of this. I'm humiliated to be of the same gender. Lauren Sanchez says- And I love how Gail King was nowhere near this. Like she's such a serious person.

No, Claudia, she's all over this. Like she's- Is she a part of the interview? Yeah. I thought you said just Lauren and Katie were interviewed. These ass and astronaut quotes are like coming from Lauren about like, we're gonna be the first ones to have glam in space.

They wanna bring glam to space. Katie said, space is going to finally be glam. She said, let me tell you something. If I could take glam up with me, I would do that. We are going to put the ass in astronaut. Okay, she's given us no choice. We have to leave her in space. Like she is not of this world.

And I mean that. This is like, this is so weird. Even the other, the- Not the civil rights activist. Wait, the NASA astronaut said, I also wanted to test out my hair and make sure that it was okay. So I skydived in Dubai with similar hair

to make sure I would be good. Took it for a dry run. Like these women go into space and only focus on their looks like that. That's like, this is something a man would write. This is insulting. This is so insulting. This is how men think of us.

Meanwhile, like we, oh my God, I'm humiliated. Lauren says we're going to have lash extensions flying in the capsule. Oh no, oh no, this is really, really bad. Like seriously, jail for everyone. Sorry, Gail. Gail goes to jail. Like not, this is not, really bad. Like seriously, jail for everyone. Sorry, Gail. Gail goes to jail. Like not, this is not okay.

Gail by association. Yeah. Seriously, if I was invited on this, hypothetical, and I saw like my fellow passengers were doing this types of press, like I would actually give my seat up. Yeah. I want no part of this.

Yeah, and then they said, joking aside, the civil rights activist said, of course she said. Of course she did. She said, I think it's so important for people to see us like that. This dichotomy of engineer and scientist and then beauty and fashion, we contain multitudes. Okay, she's trying to like put like an intellectual spin

on these dumb remarks. She said, women are multitudes. I'm going to be wearing lipstick. Okay, had that been like the only statement about makeup that would have been funny. Yeah. And yeah, I'm going to space and I'm wearing lipstick. Very code name, Helene. You know, she's parachuting out of a of a World War One chopper and she's putting on red lipstick before. That's fine.

We're bringing glam to space like I'm vomiting. And I actually don't forgive Katy Perry and Lauren Sanchez for this, and I'm vomiting. And I actually don't forgive Katy Perry and Lauren Sanchez for this, and I won't. I know, and I do feel like, whose do you think is like the driving force behind this stupidity? Like I think it's Katy and like she's written down. Yeah, and you know Lauren, like she maybe thinks differently but she really cares about like celebrity friendships.

Like that's kind of a currency she now plays with, her and Jeff and you know, who's coming to the wedding. And so I think she just does what, Katie has the power in this friendship, so she's just following Katie's lead. Because Katie is known for saying and doing dumb things. Like an embarrassing- The ass and astronaut,

like this is so embarrassing for women. Like that this is the first female trip and this is what we're focusing on. Like it's actually a parody. I need someone to do me a favor. I need somebody to really quickly get together an all female crew and just send them up. Elon, like somebody just do it

so that this group of morons, civil rights activists excluded is not the first to do it. Because like these people don't represent me. Take away their power. Yeah, like seriously just get two women. That's all we need. Or three. I'll do it. You know what?

I'll do it. Would you go to space to put the Gavache on this? Just for this, just for this, yes. Cause you know I have no interest in going to space. But if it's to silence this group of morons, yes. But would you put the ass in astronaut? No. You wouldn't.

No. I would not. And the idea that you would bring glam to space, like you have to leave your helmet on. Like that's just like stupid. I can't believe that this like made it to print. No, and not only, I blame everyone, right? Like I also blame Elle magazine.

Like you're supposed to be a beacon of journalism. You should be like curating the dumb shit they say. Agreed, this is really, really uncool. And in International Women's Month, you know, nonetheless. The one after. Whatever. The month, during the month after International Women's Month, how dare you?

To disgrace us like this. Right out of the gate. It's, it's, it's disappointing. It is. It really, really is. And it's only going to get like worse from here, right? Imagine day of April 14th. Where will we be?

April 14th, the day before tax day. So we'll probably all be hunkered down at home doing our taxes. Not me and you. No, yeah, we already pay them. We pay early because we don't want to go to jail. Yeah, it's like a cool thing we do. Yeah, like fun fact. So yeah, like this is happening.

Well, thanks for ruining my day. I appreciate that. And it's not April Fools and I'm sorry to tell you that. Devastating. Are you ready for our next story? Four? It's number four. Yeah.

It's like a little celeb outrage news, you know? What are they outraged to? No, no. The celeb is outraged? No, like someone's making news that's like outrageous. And I think. Oh, okay. But I think it's her truth.

So rumor Willis reveals that she and her sisters take baths together and she still sleeps in bed with her mom Demi Moore. So rumor went on actually like Zoe Winkler's podcast, The Lifer that's friends with Kim. And they talked about like family and she was also talking about like parenting her toddler cause she's a co-sleeper

and she's always been a co-sleeper. She actually said some really like nice insightful things about co-sleeping. And she said, honestly, I hope Lou, her child, like still sleeps in bed with me when she's my age. I still sleep in bed with my mom and I don't think it's weird. She also said that her and her sisters

all still take baths together. And that's just the kind of house that I grew up in. People might think that that's crazy and weird, but I don't, she said. Okay, so I think there's two things going on here. Her still sleeping in bed with her mom is not weird. Like I'm sure it's not like an every night kind of thing. Right, but if you're like staying over at mom's house.

It's not a big deal. Yeah, I don't think she like lives there. Now her and her siblings still taking baths together. And you're a big bather. Yeah, I'm a big bather. I'm also like a very, I'm not like a nudist, but I'm not like precious about nudity. You're a free woman. I'm not like a nudist, but I'm not like precious about nudity. You're a free woman.

I'm not precious about nudity. And I actually can recall the last time I took a bath with a sister when we were in Utah. I remember that. Me and Margot went in like the hot tub and we had like had a couple of drinks. That makes it sound like a little lesbian. Sounds like White Lotus.

White Lotus, sorry. We like were drunk and we like needed to take a bath after the hot tub and we just took a bath and it was so not weird. But I guess in hindsight, it was a little weird. It was what, four years ago? Yeah, and you wouldn't then say me and my sister take baths together still as adults and it's not weird.

And before that, it was when we were children. So I'm coming at this really from a non-judgmental place and as an open person and I think this is weird and I'm judging. And I also think that even in practice, cause the way that we took that bath together that time in Utah was not weird whatsoever. So maybe every single time the Willis girls do it, it's not weird whatsoever.

But like sharing that, knowing how it sounds, it's like rage baby, right? Right, it kind of reminds me when Mila and Ashton Kutcher said they don't give their kids baths with soap. Yeah, which in hindsight, like isn't that weird? No, it is. Not really. No, it is.

Like we have soap, why not use it? They said they don't use soap every day. I think it's weird. I actually, I don't think of that as so weird, but like they know how it comes off and that people are gonna. Right., I don't think of that as so weird, but like they know how that, how it comes off and that people are gonna. Right. But when you really think about it,

like it's actually not that weird if you're not like filthy, you don't need soap and you know, people did just fine bathing and just water, it's fine. Yeah, people love to say like, well they didn't have soap back in the day. Well they did, but they didn't. Right, they like used plants and shit. They also took a bath once a year.

Right, and things were just different. Yeah. They also used to shoot each other in the street. We don't do that anymore. It's okay. Yeah, it's not really the same, but yeah. Like in the Colosseum, you know what I mean. Things are different.

I hate when people use history to justify their lack of showers, do you know what I mean? No, but it's just to show what the human needs. And in a modern time, and maybe I come at this as a person with a really powerful nose these days, there's just genuinely no excuse for smelling badly unless you have a medical condition. And even then, figure it out.

Yeah, no, I think for adults it's different. Adults have body odors and a bunch of shite going on, but like babies and kids, they're really not that like gross smelling. But Rumor Willis is a grown woman. Sorry, back to the story. I'm talking about Mila Koutnis. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Rumor Willis is a grown woman. And to be clear, it sounds like she grew up like similar to us, like her and her sisters and her mom. Like, yeah, like, and yeah, when we all were living in an apartment, all of us at the same time, like we weren't precious about things like that. You would pee with the door open.

Like, so I'm really not coming at this from like a clutching my pearls. Like where are the opportunities arising for all of these baths? Are you going over to your sister's house for bath time? Just to bathe, because it's our favorite thing to do together. Right.

There I feel like perhaps it's an issue. Yeah. That's just me. Who am I to judge? Yeah. Our fifth and final story is actually is brought to you by is semi related to our previous story

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Oh, this is huge news for people who are Jackie. Yeah, this is huge news for the co-sleeping community because it's typically- Can you explain to us non-mothers what co-sleeping is and why it's bad? So why it's perceived as bad. Co-sleeping is sharing a bed with your baby. Anywhere from newborn co-sleeping,

which is what Courtney was doing, and I guess people who do that, then they become the ones who are sharing a bed with their two-year-old, three-year-old. So Rumor was talking about sharing a bed with her two-year-old who she's been sleeping with since the baby was born. But when babies are newborns, you're told,

put them on the back in the crib. It's not safe sleep. It's not safe sleep. But a lot of mothers feel like it's the natural thing to do. What's safer than my bosom? Yeah, sleep holding your baby. They compare ourselves like animals who would never be separated from their children.

They cuddle them up close. But the American Academy of Pediatrics don't approve? They would say, no, no, no. It's kind of frowned upon, you know, in those circles, but amongst mamas, like we're all whispering about it because one, like if your baby won't sleep in the crib, like, and you're just so like tired and fed up and you just grab him and you just get in bed

and you both fall asleep, like it's part deletion, they sleep, they're so happy when they're co-sleeping. And like what position are we co-sleeping in? Like on your chest? There are safer ways to do it. There's like a sea snuggle, you're not supposed to use pillows, you're not supposed to use blankets.

But I do think there's a lot of like merit to the fact that like, yeah, this is what the body is designed, and then children and their mothers are designed to do. The idea that baby should be in a crib in another room like alone after, you know, just coming to this world. Let me ask you another question. Is it considered bad because you are asleep?

Cause like if a baby takes a nap and you're watching something on the couch, like that's not bad, right? Oh, that's part of the delish. No, it's because you are asleep and you could roll over. Right, right, right. There's a bunch of things that could part of your leash. No, it's because you are asleep and you could roll over. Right, right, right. There's a bunch of things that could happen that are scary. So it is like frowned upon it, but a lot of women do it.

And most people- I could have guessed that Courtney was co-sleeping. She's told us before, but now she's like super open. So she, on this episode of Kardashians is when she's filming Skinny Confidential Podcast, him and her. Are they on the show? Yeah, so they have- I haven't caught up on this week's episode. Me when she's filming Skinny Confidential Podcast, him and her. Are they on the show? Yeah. So I haven't caught up on this week's episode. Me neither, but they have her because it came out five hours ago. Wait, Lauren and Michael are on the episode? I think so. They have her like walking into the

studio and I think they have like clips from the show and then they also have like Courtney's confessionals like talking about the things that she's good for them. Yeah, and She's talking about Her decision to co-sleep with the baby And also having baby brain and she actually said cuz you know We always talk about how your brain turns to mush like when you're pregnant and when you're having a baby and she said She actually likes having baby brain. She said I love baby brain. I mean, I don't know exactly I'm not a scientist, but supposedly, so that you moms can focus on their baby,

you can't really think of other stuff. And it's true because I really can't think of anything else. So it might be like the body's way of having you focus on your baby. It's not that you're just dumb. And yeah, I saw a TikTok that really made me reframe like mom brain, where it was like, oh, like ask the mom, like, hey, well, like, where'd you put that hat?

And she's like, I don't know. And then she was like, oh, my mom brain is so bad. My girl, Shawna, you guys know I'm always talking about Shawna, she does the skits. So it was like, they were asking the mom in the skit, like when was the last time baby ate, how many ounces? Like she was recalling crazy information like about the baby's food, but it's like, okay,

you can't find the hat, like who gives a fuck? Like you're kind of elevated. Yeah, it's not that like you're brain is mush, it's that it's like, it's very much focused on a different area as it should be. So yeah, Courtney's obviously like a natural girly. Yeah, it is co-sleeping considered like more like of the granola elk of mothers.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cause I would have guessed Courtney as a co-sleeper. You would. Yeah. I like don't really want it like that. I don't really want to co-sleep mostly because like selfish it sounds like you yourself get really bad sleep. Yeah. But again, like whatever the baby will do,

the baby will do, but like if the baby could just like chill in the crib in the bathroom now, like that would mean a lot to me. But like, would you rather have like them have a two hour run in the crib or like five hours with you both sleeping? That's a good question. I don't know. Cause sometimes it comes down. Like some people are like, I want to co-sleep. It's like the question, I don't know. So sometimes it comes down,

like some people are like, I want to co-sleep, it's like the natural thing to do and that's. No, right. But then for some people it's out of necessity. I feel like- I can understand how you get there, of course. If the baby won't sleep anywhere else, the baby's gotta sleep.

It's not like a principal thing, but then you start doing it and you're like, this really feels right. But I think about the thing about co-sleeping, like of course there's people like Courtney who don't give a fuck and they're gonna be like, this is like the most natural and right. But I think a lot of people like do it private,

don't share and you go to your pediatrician, they're like, is baby sleeping through the night? And you're like, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, the crib like hasn't even been unpacked. Correct, correct. So for those people, it's always really nice when people do share because you feel like

you're doing something wrong. Validated. And everyone's telling you you're doing something wrong, but to you, it feels right. But of course practice safe sleep. Of course. And don't do what someone's doing just because they're a celebrity. Do what works for you and your family.

Yeah, but trust your gut. That was intuition. Cool. Well, we have a TV recap. Summer house, two weeks in a row. Now, I feel like for, at least for us, last week's episode was highly anticipated because it was finally the conversation between Craig and Kyle.

Let me tell you, I was bored and I didn't care. I am so obsessed with what's going on between Jessie, Lexi, and Sierra. And I'm really surprised to see that not a lot of people are sharing my thoughts on it, right? Because I think a lot of people, especially in the house, are championing Jessie and Sierra. And for so many reasons, it's such a bad idea.

One, like Sierra has to stop dating these guys from the house, like they just hurt her. She's so hurt still from West. Like he's literally West 2.0. Like look what he's doing. And so the fact that like you're a willing participant in, what if West had done this to you last season with a different girl? Like he would have, like the fact that you're a willing participant in, what if Wes had done this to you last season with a different girl?

Like he would have. Like the fact that she's a willing participant is actually really disappointing me. I feel like she's such a girl's girl. And like, while he was more of the aggressor and like the pursuing her, she didn't tell him to stop. And like, she didn't not participate. And so even all the other girls being like,

they have such great chemistry, like really shipping them. Like, why are we doing this? No, that's bad friends because nobody should want her to be in this situation. Which would be by the way, the fourth time, cause it's Wes, it was Austin and Luke. Oh, Luke. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's just a bad idea.

I actually feel like Sierra, I don't see Sierra like being like heart eyes around Jesse or whatever, but even having these sorts of conversations is inappropriate. But I also feel like, and I know Jesse is being a scoundrel. And the thing with Jesse is like, he's not a bad guy. He's just a bad boyfriend and he's not ready to be anyone's boyfriend.

And he's just too damn horny. And until he can get that in check, like you shouldn't be a one woman man. But I felt like even in that conversation with Sierra, which was really bad, like what if it had been me here last summer? Like, um, I feel like there is a world in which they could have that conversation with Ciara, which was really bad, like what if it had been me here last summer? Like, I feel like there is a world in which they could have that conversation and it was devoid of like feelings from right now, where it was just like, we're just hypothesizing.

Cause yes. But the context of the whole weekend, your leg is turning me on, the foursome, like him doing all of those things, maybe if it has just been one conversation, yes. Yeah, where it's like They fell into brother sister friendship because he wasn't there that weekend and that's where they are now

and that's like, that's their relationship. But like, oh, what if that, and it's disrespectful to have that conversation when he's with Lexi, but I could see a world where there was really just like a hypothetical conversation and not like, well, let's get together now because I do think Jesse, as much as he's problematic, he's not really a liar.

And so when he's like shocked that people think he's flirting with Sierra, like I think that that is real. But he came out of the room with Emeril and was like, I got my toes sucked. Like he's not, I not seeing him like really lie. He kind of cops to everything. And the way he's like-

But like in his own time, like him coming off of this terrible weekend and then the first thing he does is take Lexi out and ask her to be exclusive. Like that's guilty behavior. Yeah. And then like having sex with her just makes, I feel so- And then telling everyone,

I feel so- Oh my God. I feel so icky for her. I really wanted her to dump him right then and there at softball. Yeah. They obviously aren't going to last very long and she deserves so much better. Yeah, she's been making TikToks.

Yeah, and they're like nowhere to be seen together anywhere. And once she sees these, even if they were together up until yesterday, when she sees the episodes, like it's over, that's not a trustworthy person. And it's not her, like he really couldn't be that way for anyone, because literally she's a perfect girl.

She's so beautiful, she's so happy, she's so vibrant. Like she's so excited to see you and she just needs to make like a small shift in like her choice of men, because there are plenty of men. Like honestly, Craig comes to mind. Yes, who would love someone like that. Exactly like that.

Who just wants to be like up each other's butts. I was really, like he was pissing me off so much. It was so the definition of like love bombing. The second she's gone, like you're back to being, it was so disappointing. And then just to see like everyone in the house, like gassing him up. Yeah.

Like that really annoyed me because I like to think of it in the context of like, let's say last summer, Sierra was gone and Wes then had a party and was flirting with girls in the house and girls at the party. Like they all would have defended Sierra. Now I know they barely know Lexi,

but they're all like self-proclaimed girls girls. Like when Amanda was like, they really like, oh my God, it was pissing me off. So underhanded. And I think they're, they are getting credit for like, even telling Lexi about it. But it was Lindsay. It was Lindsay.

Yeah. And I just, yeah. Every time she comes up, we're like, Jesse's like, we're exclusive now. And they're like, that's what you want? No, like be like, Jesse's like, we're exclusive now. And they're like, that's what you want? No, like be like, oh my God, that's so exciting. And he's like, you know, and he's expressing like reservations about like being a one woman man. And instead of like-

And by the way, that's the type of behavior they're always like wanting from these guys when it comes to like Sierra, right? Yeah. So now a girl in their house finally got like one of the guys to settle down and they're not championing it at all. Of course his behavior is on him, but they're just like not doing anything to help Lex.

Like not shepherding him in the right direction. And if he's gonna fuck up, he's gonna fuck up and whatever. But like, I just really don't feel like they're having her back or like really want this relationship to work out. And it's like, why not? No, and they want it to work out for Sierra and Jesse, which is honestly like bad advice to Sierra.

It is, it really is. She should not be with him. She needs to stop dating men in the house. Yeah. She's too good for them. And so is Lexi, but like at least this wouldn't be like the fourth try. No, Lexi's new.

You have to like on your first season, like remember Paige and Karl Radke, like you kind of just like have to, it's like a rite of passage. And I actually think she liked him. Who? Lexi? Lexi, like I think she liked him. Who? Lexi? Lexi, like I think she liked Jesse. I thought they were adorable together.

And I think that they would actually really be something cause I think they're really compatible except for like Jesse's issues with monogamy and horniness. Like what is that? Yeah, and it's really crazy. Like they weren't exclusive and they weren't having sex, but like they were like for every weekend up until this point, they've been sleeping in her bed together.

So for the next weekend, you would be like so shamelessly flirting with multiple girls and then the toe sucking thing, like it's so wrong of him. It's such like, I know you, I agree. He's not a bad person, but it's such bad mean behavior. Like, I'm sorry, at some point, like you're recklessness and hurting people while that maybe not is your intention.

Like you're hurting people. You're, you're bad. No, and it's so immature. He's like a 16 year old that has his first boner and like doesn't know where to stick it. Like get yourself under control. Agreed. Um, I happen to have loved the kickball. It reminded me of when the Jersey housewives, my monadies. Like, I don't know what it is about reality stars playing competitive, like intramural.

It's brilliant. Like I was laughing so hard when Paige caught the last ball like, and then like Wes catching that ball and like literally breaking his neck. Like I thought that was so funny. I need more of that. No, and they like seriously whooped that team's ass. Like, oh, and who were those people? You know, when you do like Zog sports, like a-

No, I know, but this is televised. So like- I think they just like knew that it would, I know, but this is televised. So like- I think they just like knew that it would be televised, but how shameful for them. Like they didn't get one run. They got their asses whooped. Oh my God, Emeril cut everything that they kicked. And Emeril is literally the most,

the LVP of this show, Least Valuable Prayer. Like he doesn't forge any friendships with the cast. But he's the MVP of kickball. He's using the house as a brothel. It's actually disgusting. And I think in a few weeks, Sierra says something to him about it. Cause it's like, gross.

You're just bringing- Why are you here? Like these people, like you're literally like a border, just taking a room. And is it, even though that is how like summer share houses are, that's like what the show is about. Now I know it's like a family, they have dinner, whatever. But like usually people use it as they pay for a room,

they go out, they bring girls back. Like that's what a summer share house in the Hamptons is. But yes, I agree with you. So go get a summer share house in the Hamptons, don't be on my television show. And not that I even wanna see these girls because- Well, is it because like he's getting home so late and there's no time for them to sign a release,

but like why is the identity of every single one of the girls, like we didn't even see a foot. That's a good problem. They can sign releases, but even so you could blur out their faces. But when I think of like Jersey Shore how's like so much of the show was like them

bringing back girls. Some of the girls faces were blurred, but a lot of them obviously signed releases and like were a part of the drama. We, I literally don't even see what these girls are wearing. Yeah, I don't know. That's a really good point because typically they would just blur the face. I feel like it's because they bring them back

in the middle of the night. And the middle of the night footage is all the house cameras. It's not like cameramen, they go to sleep. Right, but they could still blur their faces. Yeah. So I don't know. It's weird.

It's a good question. Now I wanna talk about Carl Lindsay and. Lil. Lil, thank you. I can never remember her name. Jackie was texting me like her thoughts on summer house. She's like, Lil is so, I'm like, who is Lil? Like I didn't realize that was her name.

I'm sure I think a lot of the sentiment is like, well, Lindsay, like we're meeting at that horse, you're pregnant, why do you care? Like, whatever. I am so with Lindsay on this. Like Carl is running. I don't care how many babies I have, I will clear my name.

Yes, no, not only that, like letting him, he's been running around like, Paige, I haven't had sex with anyone in a year. Like, I'm so hard therapy, la la. Meanwhile, like, were you actually, you know this girl while you're engaged. So it's not all, you know, cut and dry. Like, this victim mentality is a little unwarranted,

especially because you broke up with her. Don't forget that he broke up with her. Right. Don't forget that. But I just wonder like why he didn't get with Lil in the last six months. Sooner. So they even connected over the summer. Yeah. Then of course he breaks up with Lindsay and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt

that he's like going through stuff. He needed a couple of months. But like, why are they just reconnecting when cameras are out? Now, yeah, I don't know. And this soft bar party, first of all, it was such a nice party, like with the big coach bus from the city.

And he said he already invested $100,000 of his own money. Like I have such a pit, it's giving Schwartz and Sandy. No, and everyone in the professionals was like, I will support Carl, I am happy for Carl, this is good for Carl. And then they're obviously asked, like, do you think this is a good idea? And like in a polite way, they all say no.

And it's like, it's easy to be someone who's just a friend who has this doesn't affect them at all and support someone's bad idea because who gives a fuck? Let them do whatever they want and get themselves in debt. And you get to come off of as a hero, like as being supportive. Right. Whereas like if you actually care about this person. And it's like, if you are that person's partner,

what are you supposed to do? If you're getting married to this person who has an awful idea, who's putting tons of money into it, you're really not allowed to say this is a bad idea. Even though everybody thinks it, but it's like, I'm gonna support your bad idea. But like, that's what really, I'm asking like objectively,

what's the right thing as a partner to do? Because I think it's- As a partner, who's gonna share finances with you? What Lindsay did was 100% right. But I understand the friends being like, this is so not my problem. So yeah, sure, congrats. Of course, but what I don't understand the friends for

is for like not supporting Lindsay and saying this is a bad, like, you know, not just at least agreeing with her that like, yeah, that someone should tell him that this is a bad idea. And now we have the gift of hindsight, because we know that this is one whole ass year ago, and the bar still has not launched. The bar is now raising money from the fans,

which is kind of like a really terrible sign. And it looks even stupider. Yeah. And when they were doing that clip of everybody talking about how happy they are for Carl, that he's like found this thing that he's passionate about. I was like, damn, this McLindsey look really, really bad. But then you're right.

They were then obviously asked like a more leading question being like, do you think that this is a wise investment? And everybody in their own way said no. And I'm like, oh, I guess we all agree that this is stupid. So you're actually like, you are being, you're being a safe friend, but you're not being a good friend. Yeah, not being a great friend. Like someone like, like Simone,

like because yeah, maybe he's having fun and feels purpose right now, but like in a few years when he's hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and doesn't have a next career move, cause he put all, like you didn't protect him from that moment. No, and him having a Zoom call that like appeared to have eight people on it about ICE,

like I felt really sad. That calling me sad as well. I think this is such a stupid idea. And the thing is, is like people in the sober community also think it's a stupid idea. I think yes, I think a huge part of like reaching, peak sobriety is being able to, go out to dinner with somebody who's having a drink.

Like you need to be around it to assume that like your trigger is not gonna come up in the world. You can't really be healed until you're at a place where you can confront it So I think spaces like this while they are really nice It's not a Consistent good way to consistently live right like only going to soft bars Yeah, that's true. And also like there should just be like elixirs like this at regular bars, right? There are, they're mocktails.

But like with this one has like functional mushrooms and stuff. So like it's a mushroom bar. Okay. Is that sober? Yeah, like everything has functional mushrooms. Okay. Okay. Um, it's just, it's, it's like a train wreck.

I don't know how this whole thing is going to end, but watching it. It was also funny to see Jesse Solomon stop being a goofball for a second and actually like flex his financial prowess when he was asked that question, cause he works in finance and he was like, bars are actually like a really hard. And that's when you sell alcohol

as your biggest moneymaker. It's like, okay, thanks for the facts JP Morgan. He made me laugh when he was sitting with Paige and someone else and they were asking if he had sex with Lexi and he obviously didn't wanna say it and there was some random guy sitting next to him and I was laughing so hard, but I also was like, why was that guy sitting there?

Don't they set the scene? It's like a private party. It's not like, why was that guy there? That was really funny. He's funny, I don't dislike him. I just like, I want him to- I am starting to really dislike him. I want him to just like be a better, more mature person.

Like I don't know what, why he's like this. If this is something, he'll always be this way. If he has to grow out of it. But I do think he's like 30. I just like want him to like grow up. It was shocking to see Bailey. I know. I forgot about her.

Is she had an accent? I literally don't even remember anything about her. I understand why they showed her because she was a little bit necessary. She was like moving good information. Right, she was a necessary messenger, but I do think that might be the last we see of her. Like she's really only shown on an as needed basis.

I think that's fine. Not everyone has to be like a main player. No, so there's also like theories that she was kicked off the show mid-production. Yeah, but like the way she's functioning now works for me. Yeah, fine. And then other main storyline, Craig and Paige are really coming up on this scene.

Oh, right. Oh yeah, so when they announced in December that they broke up, it was like the most shocking thing. If I had seen one clip of this show, I would not be surprised at all. Like this is clearly a relationship where the wheels are coming off. And Andy keeps saying this every time on Watch,

I'm inside and he's really right for repeating it. Like it's shocking that Craig doesn't see, cause he's so in love with Paige, that she like, she has one foot out the door. Like they are so not compatible at this moment. There was a time where they were compatible. People change and that's fine. And he is not seeing or feeling any of that.

Like even that conversation by the door. Wait, about the phone when she was like, sit back, you got your phone. That was funny. And he was just like so earnest and like, wait, why am I sitting back? No, and the thing is if they were, if this was in a good,

if they were in a good place, like that would have been funny. But now it's like not funny. And then that conversation downstairs by the door in front of Jesse Solomon about like being a priority. I was like, oh, this is like a relationship. Like you see, you know when you see people fighting in front of you and you're like, oh, yikes, like this.

I never thought that they were that type. But now, but clearly the last few months of their relationship were not good. Yeah, but they have never acted this way on camera. Like that's why I know because we hadn't seen any moments like this, like the thing about their relationship is that there was always such a good friendship. They liked each other so much.

They were always genuinely laughing and smiling. And like, that's why when the news came out, it was shocking. Cause it's like, how do you walk away from like, just a love like, like you love someone like that. And now they're very well, she's very much like falling out of love with him and into hate.

And so now I'm like- Yes, and she's so visibly annoyed with everything he does. And then there are also like big fundamental issues in their relationship. And I was putting together what she was saying, because when her and Sierra were whispering and Sierra was covering her mouth. Secret hater, secret hater.

Secret hater, but she was saying like, he said off camera that I can't say that my stuff is bigger than his. And Sierra was like, oh my God. And I'm't say that my stuff is bigger than his and Sarah was like Oh my god, and I'm like, what do you mean bigger like my podcast whatever but then it looks like in future episodes She said I'm the breadwinner. Why would I move? So what he said she couldn't said was that I make more money and more money than you Even though I could have guessed that like at this at this point in their careers

Just like knowing what I know about like the media landscape They probably makes a little bit more from reality TV cause he's been on longer. But in terms of like her brand deals, her podcast, her Amazon fashion, her influencer stuff, I know what you get paid for that. And she's crushing it. But it was like starting to sound like Craig is broke.

Like jobs, even though he's like the most successful one on his couch. On his show. But she has really like out, she's kind of having the most successful one on his cat. On his show. But she has really like out, she's kind of having a moment that nobody has had before. Like he has like a company that does really well, but it doesn't like sometimes it takes a while before you see that money.

Like he's got, you know, irons in the flame. Whereas like she does a brand deal. She has a hundred K cash. Like pay cycle. Yeah. She literally has like, she's liquid. Yeah. He's more, you know, investments. Yeah. So, but yes, he's not poor by any means,

but she's just crushing it. Yeah. And that does change your relationship. A dynamic. Yeah. When it was always like, well, of course, page will move to Charleston. Craig's businesses are the show is Southern charm. And he has retail stores there

His partners are there right even her show summer house like you can live in Charleston vacation in the Hamptons exactly and her job is like more inter like like podcasting and Influencing and whatnot. Um, but yeah when she's the one who's making more money like Why would you then shake it up? No, and like you do call the shots. And now he's in a relationship where he's not calling the shots.

And like, that's not the relationship that he entered into. That's a major dynamic shift. They have individually changed a lot. And it has, sometimes that benefits your relationship, but sometimes it destroys it. And I think we're seeing the destruction. Yeah, it's like really getting awkward. I don't think, does he come back again this summer?

I feel like, no, he usually does one weekend. I don't think so. But what was interesting was that Lexi never met Craig. You think that they're a good match? I do think they're a good match. Like I actually think Paige would champion that. Like, well, maybe not now, cause it's like gotten contentious, but like.

Yeah, and it's like a little soon, but like remember when he said he couldn't date Rachel Kirkenau, cause he met her with Matt and like contentious. But like- Yeah, and it's like a little soon, but remember when he said he couldn't date Rachel Kirkenau because he met her with Matt and you just, they met as friends and I know her and I don't know her like that. Oh, but because he never met Lexi. Because he never met Lexi.

Coast is clear. Even though he seems to be in a happy relationship, so. And I was happy about that until I had this revelation because I think they would really be so, all she wants is love and affection and attention. Commitment. And that's what he's like what he has in spades. And she wants to settle down and he's like a romantic and she's a, just saying.

Just an idea. I don't think they've even met. I think they'll meet maybe at BravoCon. Sorry, I'm just thinking out loud. He has a girlfriend. They just got together. As far as we know. I couldn't have been that.

Like they just broke. Yeah, but they've known each other for a while. I'm just saying like a true love. If you know, Natalie Buffet can withstand his meeting of Lexi, like they can stay together, great. But I'm just saying, can I just have fun? It's an option. Yeah, of course. I deate. Yeah, I want love for Lexi. I'm really saying, can I just have fun? It's an option. Yeah, of course, ideate.

Yeah, I want love for Lexi. I'm really heartbroken for her. I was gonna cry. And then we were talking about alcohol. I know, I know. And she probably was like so embarrassed to find out like information on camera. Like you have to like, temporary your reaction.

Ew. No, and it's like, it kind of, honestly, I'm glad it was the toe sucking cause something like that can give you the ick. And you know what? That's the easiest way to get over something. Like they did something gross. But it's like, imagine that you met your dream guy. He's in can give you the ick. And you know what? That's the easiest way to get over someone. Like they did something gross. But it's like, imagine that you've met your dream guy.

He's in love with you. He's obsessed with you. You've been together three weeks. Like it's a whirlwind romance. And in one afternoon at kickball, like people are telling you things that in that moment, it's like, I have no idea who this person is. This person is a liar.

Yeah. I want to shout out to Lindsay for being like an actual real one. Yeah. She has no like real stake in this. She's not super close with any of the girls besides Gabby. So like she has information and she's a reality star and she's given it. I'm sorry. I love her. Like her scenes are so funny when she said that she couldn't make it

to the soft bar at launch party because she's having a nursery painted. And then she has to watch the paint dry. Funny. She's so funny. So funny. Did you see Andy was talking about her being on Roni? Yes. The possibilities are becoming more real. Not that it's happening yet, but they know that that's what we want. She is a great reality star.

I don't know how much longer really her life can fit into Summer House. We're getting so little of her. It doesn't behoove her. It doesn't behoove us. It's okay to grow out of things. Someone on know, someone on this show needs to like grow up. It's not gonna be the 43 year old Kyle. So maybe it'll be Lindsay. And I think that's just what Roni needs.

And I think it's just what she needs. I think it's a great idea. Yeah, I think it's definitely worth trying, right? Like it's better than some unknown. It's like, are, do they make good TV? Right, we know she has a proven track record. Yeah. And Andy did not dispute it.

He said, I've seen a lot of people saying that like Paige and Lindsay should be on Roni. And he said that he didn't think Paige would be on it, but he did not say that about Lindsay. Yeah. And I don't think Paige should be on it. I don't think Paige should be on it. And he said about Lindsay, like they,

I think it might require a lot of paperwork cause she's probably with one product. It's all like, even though it's all Bravo, like it's all different. It's probably not one product. It's all like, even though it's all bravo, like it's all different. It's probably not that easy. Don't just like jump, but I think it's worth pursuing and they're looking into it. So that's good.

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