The Toast - All Paws On Deck: Monday, April 3rd, 2023

Episode Date: April 3, 2023

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Good morning, Millennials, and welcome back to The Toast. Happy Monday after a very long weekend without The Toast. We apologize. We really do, but I can't lie. We were so busy. We were. Educating the youth. We were. That I'm not, actually, I'm not even sorry. It didn't feel like a long weekend for us because it was so busy with education. Lecture, lecture, lecture. Educate, educate, educate.

It's not like we feel like we had a long weekend so leisurely but this week is an exciting week one turdelujah is in florida yes if you're watching on youtube jackie and i are in our duo studio and we have the flamingos which have been forsaken for so long for too long we have the strice brethren they're both in studio today wanting to work with their mommies it's a bry Trice, Trudy Lou, and Jax affair, which is so... Sumptuous. You know what it is? Harmonious? Yes!

So Jax and I are back in studio. We apologize for not having a show on Friday, but we were really kind of honored to have been asked to speak at the University of Miami School of Law. What? Like, it's hard? We gave a gorgeous, kind of really educational, funny, heartwarming panel on the business of podcasting. It was so much fun.

It was so much fun. It was for, like, the sports business. Global entertainment and sports marketing. Something like that. School. And we were the keynote speakers. We had no idea. No, literally.

Keynote. Someone must have dropped out at the last minute. But it's fine. No, we've had this on the books for a while, Turtie Lou. That's true, actually. And we had no idea no literally keynote someone must have dropped out at the last minute but it's fine no we've had this on the books for a while that's true actually and we don't be like that that influencer like pick me who dropped out at the last minute that you invited me yeah you're right okay now we were asked like months ago maybe even years at this point yeah um it was so much fun so many toasty lawyers you know the next generation of lawyers is looking to be extremely toasty which gives me faith in the judicial system. Well, a lot of things should give you faith in the judicial system because we have a legal story today. About Stephen Smith? No,

about Gwyneth Paltrow. Oh yeah. Wow. It's really been a long time. We haven't caught up on that. Yeah. That was like the headline of the weekend. Really? The stories are interesting. I'm going to spark some interesting conversation. There's one that I'm really excited to talk about. But other than that I wouldn't be here today for the stories. I would be here today for the Jackson Claude in person energy. Yes. The Bryson Stryce energy. Yeah but the Bryson Stryce energy is so combative. These two brethren. You guys like Claudia and I don't talk about this a lot but our boys like don't like each other.

There's like not a great vibe between them. They really do not fuck with one another whatsoever. They couldn't be more different. I know and like Theo is a lot older than Bruno and more. Not a lot older calm down. But like he's in dog years. He's more mature yeah. He's very mature. He doesn't he doesn't want to play with anyone. It's not a Bruno thing it's a playing thing. Yeah no Theo's not really like a super social dog actually. He really just loves his parents and his mature. He doesn't want to play with anyone. It's not a Bruno thing. It's a playing thing. Yeah, no. Theo's not really like a super social dog, actually. He really just loves his parents and his family. He loves people. He does not like love other dogs.

No, but he doesn't even like the kids. He doesn't understand the kids, but he loves all adults. Like he really does. Yeah. These boys are lovers. They just don't really have a lot in common. Yeah. And they're at different stages of their life.

And that's okay. No, it is okay. But it's just something like this weekend you were on a staycation yeah so Jackie and Olivia both helped me out a lot Theo stayed here in Florida while Ben and I took a little birthday trip to Bell Harbor at the St. Regis can't recommend enough gorgeous facility um and spent like a little staycation weekend you know swimming ocean beach I have such a bad sunburn it's killing me my bun pulling back my forehead in this updo with the sunburn that I have such a bad sunburn it's killing me my bun pulling back my forehead in this updo with the sunburn that I have like I could go to the hospital um but it

was so nice and I knew that Theo was in good you know was it not dog friendly it was but you don't want him in the room all day yeah what we were at the beach all day and we I'm not gonna take him to the beach and I'm not gonna leave him in like the room and I'm not going to leave him in like the room. It was really just not. It was a very pet friendly, kid friendly hotel. I told you you should maybe take a trip down there. It was so nice. But I'm happy to be back. You know, it felt weird to be in the great state of Florida without my family. I was like, what am I doing here?

It was weird for everyone. It was weird. No, I should have been here. It was like a weirdness. Like we have pool here. Yeah. It's on here. So true.

Let me tell you two things I wanted to share. The first I just wanted to like close a loop on something we spoke about the last time I was in Florida. If you're not watching on YouTube I'm going into my pocket. I took it. This morning I walked into Jackie's studio and the aforementioned $20.40 that has been sitting in here since you moved into this home was still sitting there which proves that I need it more than you do. So I have to pick up some supplies. What if it's like the lucky 40, though?

I have to pick up some supplies for a little birthday party we're throwing for Ben. So I'll just tell Ben that your gift to him was the $40 for balloons, etc. OK, you'll tell him that I set up the decor. I will tell him that you know, I'll tell him that you paid for you supply the budget for the decor. And the second thing I wanted to tell you is like kind of something weird i did over the weekend that i just wanted to tell you that immediately made me think of you okay so me and ben were on the beach and we ran into our friends ben and margie and they're such a great

couple they have two kids and their kids are so cute and their kids are the exact same age as uh olivia's kids mckayla and levi so i just feel like you know I'm always saying I feel like I know more about like motherhood than the average auntie but it's important to note I am not a mother but like sometimes I say things like I said something so out of fucking pocket I actually felt weird so they came over with their kids on the beach with the stroller and we were like so happy to see their kids Leo Leo and Jack so I was like oh my god we were like so happy to see their kids leo leo and jack so i was like oh my god we were asking so many questions because i haven't seen them in so long they live in florida and i really haven't seen leo maybe like since his bris and i was like is that the older one the older one the one that's michaela's age so he's like three now and i was asking so many questions

i was like oh what is he this is he potty trained and he she was like yeah he's potty trained and i was like oh it is so hard to potty train kids and me a person who's literally never potty trained a child but Margie was like no actually like I mean Leo was like really good I was like oh okay cool um I don't know why the fuck I said that I've literally never potty trained a child and like I'm talking to somebody who has right but I would say like the crime there is not that you've never potty trained a child because like you're speaking from your personal experience with Michaela, but it would be applying your one experience to the whole of children.

No. And my experience is like literally one time I thought she had to pee and I sat her down on the toilet. No, but your experience is also hearing it through Olivia. Yes. And getting the play by place. But it's not the same as Margie's who's like an actual mom of two. Yeah.

But you know what? It's better than the opposite where the person who's not a mother is like downplaying how hard things are. And the mom's like, bitch. No, I respect mothers. Everybody knows that. I respect mothers. Right.

I'd rather talk to someone who like is overestimating how hard it is rather than someone who's downplaying it. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Okay. Thanks for making me feel better. Yeah. Yeah.

You're fine. You're fine. In that moment, I was like, okay, that was weird. I wish I didn't say that. Sometimes you just like say stuff to like round out the conversation. Or to like relate, you know? No, no, no. But like sometimes you just have to like say a statement.

To keep the convo moving. For the conversation. And sometimes it's not 100% accurate, helpful, or useful. So true. And I think we've all done that at some point in our life. Thanks, Jax. And someone was just listening a little too closely to call out the inaccuracies. Yeah, that was me.

No, no, no. That was her. Like actually listening to what you said and being like, actually, no. Yeah, thanks, Marchie, for not just like ignoring. Just like faking conversation. Yeah. Yeah. She was so intent.

She was so intent. She was intentional. Intentional. Which is so important. So important. We are intentional intentional don't you find i find that we are constantly intentionalizing and being extremely intentive yeah yeah feels good doesn't it it feels almost intentional um so we have a great show tell me about your weekend like tell me tell me everything because I wasn't here but I was like nearby kind of not really I had a great like fun loving weekend it just was a lot of I don't even know child care yeah like but I don't know what the word would

be just like physically like it was there was no stopping there was no stopping you know and like there was just so much going on and you know you just gotta keep making shit up making games making different scenarios in which they could play like so true it was exhausting but rewarding well isn't that just motherhood in a nutshell it is it is i feel that it's for me like whenever i spend time here uninterrupted it's like hours and hours of, taking care of the kids and not, like, stopping in and saying hi. I'm just constantly in awe of, like, exhaustion is just not a word in these kids' vocabulary. No.

It's crazy. Like, get tired, bitch. I know. And sometimes they do take, like, a big nap. And it's like, oh, I guess if I slept that long in the middle of the day, I'd have more energy, too. But sometimes they don't fucking nap. I know.

I know. Well, you know, I'm at olivia's this time and it's been so nice honestly to spend time like not too nice right it's been just like nice it's been just equally as nice as it is here okay but i've really gotten in and i've only been here for like you know 12 hours it has been really restorative in my relationship with mikaela she is she's also grown up in a lot a lot in like the two months that I've been here she's obsessed she's obsessed with Antiqua like woke me up this morning wants to play last night before bed oh my god so we put her bed at like eight and then at like 10 o'clock we're watching the CMT awards and we hear Michaela and she was singing of course high school musical because I came down here with the I watched high school musical three

the day before I left for Florida and I said this is a film Michaela would love and I knew it so I put it on for her last night and she was obsessed with the final scene where they're graduating I was impressed of my life to feel just like a high school you guys know it she was obsessed so at 10 she like still wasn't asleep. So Zach pulled her out. And then Olivia and him got into bed. And Michaela laid with them for a little bit. So before me and Ben went to bed, I went into their room to say goodnight. So of course, I had to climb into the middle and give Michaela a big hug.

And she touches my nose. And she goes, Echikoya, your makeup, it's beautiful. And I wasn't even wearing any makeup. So she really just thinks I'm beautiful. And Michaela learned, like all my friends and family family learned the way to my heart is through flattery yeah it was amazing it was like one of those moments where like your heart just like bursts into a million pieces no I know that's how I felt when I shared that that other anecdote with you about Michaela that you didn't believe but do you maybe believe it now about evermore I don't

remember the song evermore no i don't believe it even after like knowing like getting sure share with everyone because it was honestly like i know michaela's capabilities and like she just isn't there yet you know which she is because olivia told me the story she texted it to me the next day and olivia i think was just like really wanting to make anti-sac feel good but anti-sac feels good like i just i don't believe it validation falsified i don't believe it so michaela loves beauty and the beast their whole family's favorite song from beauty and the beast is evermore which is on the new uh live action one sung by josh groban and queen has taste queen has taste so the lyrics go and i know he'll never leave me even as I fade from you.

And she likes to sing in her crib like at night, in the mornings, whatever. And Olivia could hear her singing and she was singing ever more, but she sang, and I know Auntie Sack will never leave me.

That didn't fucking happen. It just didn't happen. But why can't like, we both have nice anecdotes to share. It's just like, okay, you remember that tweet that went viral oh yes this is one of my favorite things somebody tweeted like something there's like like four-year-old did that was so like sweet but like so unbelievable that somebody

quote tweeted it and was like this did not happen yeah and that's how I feel okay that's not how I feel it's so unbelievable. I need to witness it with my own eyes when it comes to Kayla. Yeah. Maybe I'm underestimating her. Maybe you are. Maybe I am. Maybe you are.

So it's just been amazing to be with the kids these last like five minutes. I'm so happy to be here. I'm here for the whole week. It's Passover. So just a little housekeeping reminder. Wednesday and Thursday there are no episodes of The Toast as Jackie and I will be observing the late great holiday of Pissach. But we filmed a vlog on Friday because as we stated, we spoke at University of Miami School of Law. Not just like the University of Miami, it was like the University

of Miami School of Law. Right, it wasn't like one of the other schools that don't sound as impressive as School of Law. And it certainly wasn't like undergrads. We weren't talking to teenagers. Like we were talking to professional adults. Yeah. So we filmed a vlog that day of Get Ready With Us. We did our makeup together. It was really harmonious.

It was. It started off a little acrimonious. It did. It did. Because it's tense. Like we were rushing. We were rushed. We were vlogging.

We were vlogging. We were doing our makeup. We both want to look our best. Claudia is working with her Florida set of materials, which are apparently already outdated. They are. So we vlogged the get ready with us process and then a little bit of our day. But it's mostly like our makeup routines, chit chatting about the day and having some girly swirly time. Girly swirly time. So that will be up Wednesday in lieu of an episode of the toast. And we are planning to have

something for you Thursday as well. So if you never want to go a weekday without Toast, patreon.com slash the toast because I think if you like include Patreon, then I really don't know when's the last weekday that we haven't had something for you. We are always taking care of the Patreon members. That's one thing about us. Yeah.

Fun fact. Yeah, that way you never have to go without Turdy Lou, Jackson, Claude. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. that way you never have to go without Turdy Lou. Jackson Clawed. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Do you feel as though? I feel as though.

Do you feel as though? I do feel as though. And we have like a busy day today, so it's like we have got to get to stepping. Yeah. So pass me, Jackie and I are sharing one iPad today, so we're going to have to be like passing back and forth. We're very sustainable. Yeah.

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because like we didn't talk about it excuse me and i was saying at the shapiros and they didn't watch last week's episode so we're not recapping it i'm so sorry like we didn't talk about like doing that what's to talk about? Like we have a schedule. I'm like not in my house. My time is on my own. And like you literally put a gun to my head like for Pump Rules. Yeah, of course.

And Succession last week. I put a gun to your head for Pump Rules for sure. Because that's so pertinent. We're a pop culture show. How can we not be watching Pump Rules right now? No, but I was tired one night. We were literally talking about Succession at dinner last night. And you didn't say anything.

And then Olivia was like, I haven't watched the first episode of the season So like how could I watch it I was staying at her house In your bedroom in your quarters In your own little quarters You have to not spend time with my family I didn't watch it so let's just move on I'm so sorry I'm gonna remember this Can't wait

I stand by the fact that I did nothing wrong You would Oh my god if you watch it and I didn't watch it, even though like we agreed, like this is part of the programming now. No, but like we didn't talk about it. Like we didn't discuss. There was nothing to say. We were together last night.

I feel like we're always like, we're making sure like if there's something to do, like we're on top of each other. Because you mentioned it like some sessions on tonight. Like I knew that you knew and that you were on top of it. No, I didn't watch it. And I refuse to be blamed any longer for this grotesque misalliance. Like, I didn't, I literally didn't do anything wrong.

Like, my God. Okay. I'm just like really excited for when sometime I don't watch something that you've watched. But see, the thing is, like if I watch something,

I always tell you. I don't just go rogue. You did tell me at the dinner table. I don't go rogue and just watch it, you know? No, but we talked about it at the dinner table. I didn't know you came away from that conversation being like, I won't watch.

Well then, maybe you don't really understand me. No, I guess it was a misunderstanding. Right, maybe let's chalk it up to a misunderstanding and keep the harmonious vibes. The unfortunate thing though is that if this were a remote episode, you could just take your headphones off. I know. Too bad. I can't be silenced. Okay, well, I did have. Well, now do I feel great? I feel just like, you know, useless.

No, it's once you see the episode, there's only a few things to say. All right. Would it be helpful if i watch it today so we could recap it tomorrow or just get back on the train next week we could recap it tomorrow if you find you don't have to watch it today though like if it wasn't for monday's like recap like we don't we're not in any rush okay like i'm like i apologize like i i still don't feel like i did anything like wrong per se i just i i'm sorry that we found ourselves in this situation i'm sorry i'm sorry too i'm sorry that we found ourselves in this situation I'm sorry I'm sorry

too I'm sorry that you like had to wait up when I know you actually don't even like like the show anymore you know yeah no it did my schedule is fine I literally finished my book for the redheads like two minutes before we started watching so like it was fine I'm sorry um but it was just like an hour of sleep I could have gone back no that's so true and as a mother like the fact that I took away that hour of sleep from you like I definitely I definitely feel maybe I should just go like I why don't you just go watch it right now and then I know we actually don't have time for that okay but it's fine it's fine hopefully I still feel passionate whenever we do talk about it okay our first story Gwyneth Paltrow thanks the jury for their thoughtfulness after trial win Gwyneth is happy with the outcome and thankful to the jury for their thoughtfulness after trial win. Gwyneth is happy with the outcome and thankful to the jury

after winning her ski crash trial in Utah. She said, I felt that acquiescing to a false claim compromised my integrity. I am pleased with the outcome and I appreciate all the hard work of Judge Holmberg and the jury and thank them for their thoughtfulness in handling this case. Nearly one hour before she posted that, a jury decided that the retired doctor, Terry Sanderson, was 100% at fault for their 2016 ski crash despite him suing gwyneth for 300 000 i just feel like when they say he's suing gwyneth for 300 000 like it's such a lie like he was suing her for more and

the judge capped it at 300 000 but what did he initially want to sue her for like three million dollars million or one million so that's just like crazy. Now, I really just didn't think there was a way I could ever like love Gwyneth Paltrow more. Like I've been a ride or die for her for many years. And this trial is just like brought out another side of Gwyneth. First of all, like the looks were so like appropriate. The Utsaskie crash trial looks. But also like, you know, you have to look

appropriate in court. I just thought she looked amazing. I loved, you know, the everyday paparazzi photos of what bag is she wearing? What gorgeous flowy skirt will she be wearing today? So that was exciting too. I loved seeing her testimony, how just unbothered queen, you know? Yeah. I loved watching this guy like really, truly embarrass embarrass himself and I believe he gave a statement basically saying you know like I'm embarrassed you know oh wow yeah so I loved that I loved every bit of this trial I love that she won I love that the jury you know I feel I feel as though you know you could have with with cases like this a lot of people have preconceived notions about celebrities and they could have let that be a bias of theirs.

Because one of the things about Gwyneth Paltrow that people think is like, she's better than everyone, she's kind of pretentious. So shoving into someone and keep skiing is something a pretentious person would do. So I'm glad that the jury didn't let their bias get in the way. Well, you would hope that there weren't jury people who had biases of Gwyneth I would think that in the selection it would be mostly people who are unfamiliar and yeah yeah too cool for that um she was so gracious when the trial was over they let the uh what's the word I'm looking for defendant and the plaintiff like Gwyneth and Terry they got to leave

first so Gwyneth got up and was walking out and she had to walk past Terry and she came over to him and she said, I wish you the best. Yes. Which was very gracious, but I like to think it was like a little knife, a little jab because like fuck off. No, and it's also like, I wish you well because like you're unwell. I said good day, sir. Yeah, no, like I hope you get the help that you need for being so deeply disturbed that

you would spend time on this farce. That was definitely the subtext of the I wish you well. That it was get help. But on the surface, it was very gracious. Yes. And I also loved her statement because I had said, you know, she's definitely spending more money on this trial and everything in legal fees

than she would in just paying this guy $300,000. And what you said very studiously was that some things are worth protecting your reputation. People just don't want their image to be dragged because it's more cost effective. And that's exactly what she said in her statement. She's like, I could have just acquiesced the money, but like my legacy means more to me than the money.

And I just, every- And it's about the principle, right? Right. Because if anybody can just... Oh, of course. ...say that Gwyneth crashed into them and get 300K, then what's to stop the next person and the next person if she just finds it easier to pay them off?

So at every step of this trial, I have been in awe of Gwyneth's elegance, grace, composure, and style. And I don't know if I could love for any more than I do but I but I but I now do I do yeah I do you do I will miss watching this the footage was really like I just love seeing celebrities in something so ugly like trial you know I think that's why celebrity trials like you know know, Johnny and Amber and anytime like a celebrity

is on trial becomes such a spectacle. One, because it's a celebrity but two, it's like we're used to seeing celebrities in this glamorous but there's something

so normal and like routine and common almost about a courthouse. Yeah. There's no special treatment. No. And it was just,

it was all very exciting. There's no special lighting. No. And it was just, it was all very exciting. There's no special lighting. You're all under. Fluorescence. The fluorescence. It was just exciting. Yes. So I'm glad that justice has been served.

Closing the book on that. Congrats, Gwyneth. Justice has been served. There's a gavel around here somewhere, I think. Right? We split them up in. Did we? Yeah. In the divorce. Stop. I'm depressed. I know. served there's a gavel around here somewhere i think right we split them up in did we yeah in the divorce stop i'm depressed i know what's a better word for it in the move in the relocation

that sounds like you got fired but no i was relocated she was relocated are you ready for our next story yeah just listen before just to listen okay before like you make a face because pete davidson oh i know did a podcast on someone's patreon so thumbs up for patreon people making making money off their content we'd love to see content being monetized he did had a conversation with john bernthal uh for his podcast real ones which you can listen to this episode on his patreon and he expressed feeling like a loser. Or you could listen to our Patreon. Oh yeah, no, no, no.

But once you get comfortable with the Patreon platform in general, you'll want to support other creators. And why don't we just be like number two after that? So true. When we're typically number one, of course. Of course. But he expressed feeling like a loser because of the ongoing emphasis on who he was dating. He said, quote, I'm in my 20s and I've dated people.

And for some reason, that's very crazy and interesting to people. I don't think it's interesting. I've been in show business for like half my life, almost for 14 or 15 years and on a national TV show. In 12 years, I've dated 10 people. I don't think that's crazy. But to some people, that's very interesting. That became all anyone would talk about. He said, it's not like I was flexing. You know what I mean? And these people that I've dated, I met them at work. I wasn't in anyone's DMs. No one was in mine.

I worked at one of the five Hollywood epicenters of where you meet people, and that's how it happened. That's a good call. He said, suddenly you're in this zeitgeist that has nothing to do with the work, and that's a really shitty feeling. I became more known before the work was there, but I was always working. He qualified that he's cool with the joke. He gets the late night jokes, but occasionally the laughter over his romantic track record hit too close to home

like when they made fun of him on his own show snl he said when your own show pokes fun at you i'd be sitting in the back watching the cold open and the cold open is topical political humor whatever's in the culture and then making fun of you then you've got to walk out and do a sketch next and hit your mark and the show just made fun of you so why are they gonna laugh at you like they just dogged you in front of everyone man and you're like i'm a fucking loser man okay really quickly i know this is like not the point of the conversation but let's try and name the 12 girls that he's dated okay that's the opposite of the point kazzy david carly aquilino and opposite but yeah yeah yeah i'm trying to go you want to go okay so carly kazzy ariana kate beckinsale okay that was such

a great time um i don't know if this is in order phoebe denver oh phoebe denver yeah oh let's not go in order kaya gerber kaya gerber kim kim uh chase now chase now maybe there were some like nobodies no there was probably some like three dates you know like spotted with let's personally i'm still shipping him and kate beckinsale like i just thought that was like a cute moment in time pete davidson's dating history let's see if we're missing anyone margaret qually margaret qually that's. Like she's just like. Kaya Gerber we did. Oh Olivia O'Brien. Oh yeah. Yeah. Even though. That was like a text that was sent. Yeah. She's actually been talking about that recently on some podcasts because I don't know why but she was like I think they maybe went on one

date. Yeah. She said on BFF's pod that she and the comic had a secret short-lived fling admitting that she didn't she did not think anyone knew about it because they asked her about it she was like i didn't think anyone knew she further claimed that he called things off via text he texted me and was like i'm seeing someone else so like i can't and i think it was phoebe denver yeah and also we like dissected this at the time and their relationship didn't seem to qualify for like an actual breakup it doesn't but sure spotted with oh yeah we did i remember and marada that was last week yeah that's 11 yeah but that's everyone yeah no it's not that crazy i i definitely um

i see what he's saying but i also feel like it's probably like somewhat important to note that his career also blew up because of it like he was able to leave SNL and have other opportunities because he's so famous now because of who he dated you know I disagree a little bit I don't think it like worked against him it only worked against him in the sense of like, that's, you know, the headline about him. But I feel like even before he started having high profile relationships, he was always like the really funny, youngest cast member ever on SNL

and like was going places. And would be doing the same work that he's doing without the girlfriends, honestly. No, I don't know. I don't think so. But what is he doing that's so big? Like honestly,. No, I don't think so. But what is he doing that's so big? Honestly, nothing. I don't know what he does.

So what did this get him? But he does a lot. He makes a lot of money from being famous. He was a Calvin Klein face. He was in a Hellman's commercial. From his career as a comic, though. Yeah, but those things afford you the privilege of not having to work.

You make a lot of money And you can chill And you don't have to go To SNL every week You know But he's working still Like he's only in his 20s He's still Oh he's not retired

Yeah no I think he does Like shows And he has Actually some projects In the works Something coming out That this was promoting

Oh he was just In that horror movie Bodies bodies bodies Bupkis May 4th on Peacock Yeah It is true That like he's more of a a celebrity right now than he is a comic and i think that hurts him yeah and he's only a celebrity because of those relationships and that makes him feel like a loser well you know pete like at least

you're a celebrity okay some of us are out here trying so be grateful no of course like you could always make the case that things could be so much worse yeah but he's just sharing his truth on a patreon like he's not bothering anyone no he's not bothering anyone his truth is bothering no one right so he's allowed to say how he feels what pete going through what does pete think because that's his opinion but you would think that all of these feelings would stop him from tearing through the women of Hollywood. Right. And be a little bit more. Low key. One low.

Well, the thing is, he said he is low key. Like he doesn't have Instagram. It's not like he's like, here's me and my girl. And he literally like. It's just paparazzi. He can't help that. No, but it's not even like red carpet paparazzi. It's like literally one lone paparazzo following him into that forlorn building with him and Emrata.

Yeah. But also like the pictures of him on vacation with chase like there's always it's always pictures i also think like a lot of the women he dates know that he's like a pr magnate and i think a lot of them like lean into that like i i feel like a lot of the news that came out about him and emrata were like emrata putting it out or emrata's people like having the paparazzi there because she was very much trying to like pin it to her ex yeah that's possible you know if you're gonna go on a date with pete davidson it's gonna be written up everywhere so it's like oh i landed a date with david pete davidson call everyone yeah and i think that hurts him i think it does too because

it's like you really not to be so cliche it's like you never know if someone's dating you for you right and you know what they didn't go out again after that so maybe he was like oh no she's just thirsty she's thirsty and and i can't afford like another kerfuffle another thing yeah yeah because i'm trying to focus on bupkis which premieres may 4th on peacock so i hope like it really works out with him and chase because she's kind of like unknown i don't think people really care so much about this relationship except they like you know drove into someone's house right um no but it's the thing is, it's not at this point, it's not about the girl, it's about Pete. And it's about like adding to that number.

Yeah, but I definitely feel like there's less fanfare for him and Chase. Like it was like paparazzi pictures, but like no one really cares. Like she's new on the scene. No, they care. We just don't talk about it every day. But like every time I look for articles,

like if they're doing something, like they're there. Yeah, but like, do the people care? I feel like they don't. Drop a comment. Because I personally don't care. Well, care i mean most of these articles that i see in the morning are just like what anything i've had oh you're ready for that you know just gonna be ready for all that most of the articles that i see in the morning it's like who the fuck is reading this who gives a shit who are they about oh my god it's just like everyone so and so celebrates her da da da Like We live in a culture

Like let me go to page six It was brutal We live in a culture Where like somebody Leaving an Instagram comment Is worthy of An entire article On like a pretty

Reputable news site That's crazy And they're so misleading It's like Khloe Kardashian Finally addresses Plastic surgery Can I

Can I Oh shit This isn't going well We're having to share an iPad And we're both trying to Like look things I? Oh shit, this isn't going well. We're having to share an iPad and we're both trying to like look things up. The sharing of the assets isn't going well, but no, like People Magazine today, they're like top stories.

Number, literally number two, The Bachelor's Madison Pruitt Trout shares what she's obsessed with this spring. Well, that's the, by the way, that's another element of moronacy when it comes to journalism these days. It's like publicists bring their clients and get opportunities for their clients, like interview with people magazine.

And it's like, I'm just using Madison Pruitt as an example, but I see it with like all these kind of low level influencers and reality stars. Here's the 10 things that Maddie Pruitt can't live without. Here's the eight beauty secrets that she keeps in her purse. Claudia, Alicia Silverstone shares adorable video of her dog sitting at the dinner table

quote, waiting for his turn. Listen, you guys, it's hard out here. So when you get upset with Jackie for stories, just know like this is what she's dealing with, okay? Claudia, the last of us

star, Bella Ramsey, loves to eat cornflakes with orange juice. It's so good. The last of us star, Bella Ramsey, sounds disgusting. Why would literally

anyone eat that? Instead of milk? Is that what they're saying? And then also, okay, and then this was on page 60, which I thought was just it's so good the last of us star bella ramsey sounds disgusting why would literally anyone eat that instead of milk is that what they're saying and then also like okay and then this was on page 60 which i thought was just such like a nasty who gives a shit headline which was marilyn nichols seemingly who's marilyn nichols tristan's other baby mom theo's mom okay marilyn nichols seemingly shades chloe kardashian's lavish birthday party for true like i don't know marilee nichols is not a famous person i don't care what she maybe or maybe did not shade chloe about yeah and what was it like an instagram comment i didn't i did not dignify it by clicking click i did not yeah i just i feel like it's you know all part of a larger larger conversations you know in the digital age

what does that mean for journalism nothing it's not looking good it's not looking good by any means and then like there there are like I feel like publications that try and maintain like journalistic integrity and like write thought-provoking articles and they have absolutely no scruples and they also have nothing to work with like they're trying to make thought provocation out of Alicia Silverstone's dog sitting at the table. But what does her dog sitting at the table really mean for culture? What is he waiting for at the table? Right. And how did he get there? What was the journey to the table like? It's insane. These are questions worth asking. Don't you agree? I do.

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apologizing and joking about copying her sister chloe's outfit that she infamously made fun of when they went on a trip to japan in 2018 and i'm gonna be real with you you look like fucking clowns so kim chloe and courtney went to japan in 2018 i think that was when like kim was shooting uh like on the street looks for easy and chloe and courtney i can't remember their names right now chloe and courtney because it's been so long since we've really spoken so long chloe and courtney were there like supporting their sis and wearing their favorite japan look right and doing the most you know and it just wasn't the vibe like kim was in this, like, spandex lycra era.

Like, futuristic era. Very toned down. Very, like. Glam. Glam, Tokyo fashions. Colors. Colors, kawaii. Yeah.

And Kim, like, kind of reamed them out. It was, like, you guys look like clowns. And I think she was, like, kind of ashamed to be seen with them and their really colorful looks. And it was funny. Like, now we quote it. But, like, in the moment, like like she was kind of being a bitch. Yeah. But in the moment, it was bitchy, too.

Like I don't think in the moment we're like, yeah, you guys look like clowns. Because now it's funny. They didn't. They looked really good, but they obviously weren't matching her aesthetic, which was the reason for going to Japan in the first place. And they literally came to Japan for her. No, I know. But it's like you're coming to Japan with me and you're ruining my photos.

Nobody cares. Like. No, I know. But that's important but that was important to Kim at the time. She had her priorities all fecocked at the time. She did. And now she was in Japan with her kids wearing a huge pink fuzzy jacket. The look was so cute, but fans called out that literally that's what Khloe was wearing

when they went to Japan. When they got called a clown. And Kim did a carousel of pictures in her pink look and she included the clip from uh that episode and someone had tweeted like so is chloe is kim finally gonna apologize to chloe and chloe commented i'm waiting 100 kim should apologize no like chloe ahead of the fashion curve chloe ahead of the fashion curve funny that they like got in on it before like it was like flipped on them you know um it's just it's not doing it for me you know the story yeah you know I'm not

coming at you no no I know but you know when I saw it I was like oh cute and like they're posting like old clips and making fun of themselves those are some of that's my kind of celebrity fodder I enjoy. Yeah. Yeah. Self-referencing. To reference or not reference. To reference or not reference. But I wish they did throw it up and put it in a blender.

I think I would have liked this story more. I'm like really in my, in terms of Kardashians, like we've been talking about, I've been feeling just kind of like, you know, I'm resting. Yeah. Also, I was wrong.

Apparently, like there is a lot of chatter about how they're in their flop era. It's because you're not on TikTok. Especially on TikTok, yeah. Yeah, we were talking about that last week. Like, is it just an us thing? Is it a culture thing? It's very much a culture thing.

There is a lot of debate about it. And also something that I found really interesting is I saw Liz Hyde post this. Kim has been like wearing a lot of Balenciaga. Okay, I have a question for you. What do you, I don't really own any Balenciaga. Oh my God, I'm so glad you brought this up. But what do you think about wearing Balenciaga

that you already had bought? Okay, so I. My personal policy would be like, I would, if I own Balenciaga, I would wear it, the things that I own that didn't say Balenciaga, but I wouldn't walk around like with a Balenciaga

logomania purse. So I, I didn't believe I owned anything Balenciaga. And then I was getting dressed for something. And I put this shirt on. And it's just a shirt. It's like a blouse. And it happened to be Balenciaga.

And I didn't wear it just because I looked fat. But not because it was Balenciaga. If it looked good, I would have worn it. Because it didn't have any labels. And it's like, sorry, I'm not of the means where I have so many. I can just dispose of my designer items. So for a lay person, I think if you have something honestly wear it you spent the money like why should you be punished right but Kim especially with with her clothes like everything she wears

is a statement whether she likes that or not everything she wears is shared you know everyone all these closet accounts so to be to wear something by a designer it does feel like you're standing by that designer and that's very different than you doing that right when she has like unlimited resources to close probably didn't pay for most of the balenciaga balenciaga items that she had whereas like regular folk bitch i paid for this like that sucks like i'm wearing it like i can actually understand that. Right. So it's a choice. I believe it's a choice.

The thing is, Kim has choices, whereas other people who maybe one time splurged on a Balenciaga bag, they don't have that many choices, you know? That's their bag. That's their bag. Yeah. And you must wear it. You bought the bag, now lay with it.

But she's wearing non-logo Balenciaga stuff like even she's wearing the sunglasses and she doesn't show a picture of the stuff it's not like she's publicly endorsing Balenciaga you kind of have to be in the know to know that that's what she's wearing I disagree but I agree with you that like she has the means to go all the way I disagree because even though it doesn't have like the big label on it like everything she wears is shared do you know what I mean you're saying that then people will want that shirt even though it doesn't say it I'm not even saying that she might be influencing people all I'm saying is like her wearing an item whether it's small like sunglasses that doesn't even have a logo on it she knows what whatever she wears is publicized like this is what she

wears okay that we will find out that it's Balenciaga yeah that we'll find out but it's it's like an association it's an endorsement almost yeah i do okay do you feel that way about all celebrities who like casually wear balenciaga garments um you're asking such good questions because i think our issue a lot of celebrities casually wear now i don't know and also now everyone makes that turtleneck spandex top with the gloves attached so i'm like whose is whose it's like Mugler now too everyone yeah but because I think the issue with Kim and Balenciaga was like she threw her whole pussy pussy yeah weight face behind this brand that was doing unsavory things and so like we were hopeful that she would take a step back from them but not that she never can wear them again you know like it's a little soon no I don't know like for me it was disappointing when she continued to like be their face but like now it say who's

another celebrity who I if Kelly Clarkson like had a Balenciaga top in her closet and she happened to wear it like I don't think that that would I just feel like it's different for Kim do you know what I mean especially because okay if Kelly Clarkson had a Balenciaga top in her okay she doesn't have like closet accounts like Kim does so no that's not what I was gonna say but that's also a good point let's say she went out to dinner with the gal pals and she wore a Balenciaga shirt like every time Kelly Clarkson leaves the house it's not a paparazzi stampede like she can privately wear something and not have everyone know about it okay so let's take that example So let's, bad example. Gwyneth. Okay.

Like say Gwyneth was wearing like a turtleneck for her trial, but like was Balenciaga brand. For her trial. So she knows that there's like big paparazzi. See, that seems like a statement to me. Okay, well maybe not for a trial, but like for a dinner. Someone who gets fucking photographed all the time who didn't have an association with Balenciaga before. The thing is, really nobody out there gets photographed

as much as the Kardashians do. They really don't leave their house without getting photographed where which i think is intentional on their part because it's a part of their job yeah i think most celebrities can go out to dinner without being seen honestly okay but we're not answering hailey bieber good question okay that's a very good hailey bieber in the midst of all of her outfits was wearing a turtleneck underneath a blazer that was Balenciaga would this be news? Well the thing is is that Hailey Bieber didn't ever really have a connection to Balenciaga so it's like we're not talking about Hailey Bieber and Balenciaga because it was never anything to talk about. We're talking about Kim and Balenciaga because there was a lot to discuss and we never fucking heard from her. Yeah okay

so it's a Kim thing. Yeah yeah I can I can see that I'm not I'm glad we got down I'm not I'm glad you asked those questions I'm not trying to argue one point or the other I'm just trying to place it in different context so I can see it clearly by the way so am I like I'm I'm confused by this whole thing like I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about like ask all your questions like I'm just making this up yeah I'm just saying like it's fucking weird and we like never heard from her and like there was this whole disgusting thing and like a lot of people were upset with her. And it has been the reason for this whole kind of flop era.

And we still haven't heard from her. And they're teasing that they'll talk about it on the show. And I feel like they won't. And then she's wearing Balenciaga again. I feel like they're not going to talk about it on the show. Just because they would have said Balenciaga in the trailer once. Or they would have referenced it a little bit more specifically. Right?

To get us excited. Yeah. I feel like they don't. So it's this whole saga that really affected them and they won't talk about it. Yeah. But now she's wearing Balenciaga again.

So to me, it's part of the conversation that she's wearing it again. Okay. That is where I'll leave it. That's where I'll leave it. And I... I hear you.

I don't know exactly like what I think she should do with all that crap. Me either. What she should do with the crap. And you like donate it. She has so much stuff. Like she probably didn't pay for it. It's really, it won't hurt her. No, no it won't.

And everyone's making it now. Like you said so astutely, so many of the clothes that she wore during her real like era with them were so fucking ugly that really it's a win-win for everybody yeah who who makes this pink jacket she was wearing i don't see it in the option anyway moving on to our next story which i'm really interested by because the author james patterson you know him of. He's like the biggest. I'm familiar. And he was in the Filthy Rich Jeffrey Epstein documentary because he lived next door to him in Palm Beach.

And he's written fiction and nonfiction books. We did him for the Redheads. He wrote a book with Dolly Parton, Run, Rose, Run. One of the biggest authors in the world. I know who he is. Like J.K. Rowling. Just in case. Oh, okay.

But we need to set the stage because of what he did. It's really impactful. He accuses the New York Times of cooking its bestsellers list in a blistering letter to the editor that they refused to publish. So James Patterson, who's obviously been on the New York Times bestseller list a million times.

First, he posted two tweets just like questioning the math. The math wasn't mathing for him. He said, what's up with New York Times bestsellers list? Anybody besides me noticed that Mike Pompeo's book sold more copies than- Who's Mike Pompeo? The former secretary of- Oh, political.

Political. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said, anyone notice that his book- Oh, not James getting political. Has sold more copies than six titles on today's list. And I guess like he wasn't on it. Then he said, and last week, J..D. Robb that's Nora Roberts's pen name novel wasn't on the fiction list even though it was still selling more than four other titles there by bestseller does the times mean best for their target audience yeah okay so and then he wrote a huge letter to the editor that they were refused to publish saying that he's a longtime reader of the New York Times it's his favorite. He's been reading it since he moved to New York in 1971. Here are some of the pull quotes. I also

note that this spirit of self-criticism and getting it right is too often absent from the bestsellers list. He said the real problem is where you say sales are statistically weighted to represent and accurately reflect all outlets proportionally nationwide because here you suggest your process has statistical rigor and it simply doesn't as the nation's bookstores and our publishing houses have known for years and can prove your lists too often are outside the realm of statistically possible much less plausible right the fact is that you regularly publish even now that we have computers and widely available data lists that say a book sold better or worse than another even when it's

probably wrong oh my god i feel like so strongly about this because I was on the list and I um and I was so grateful to be on the list even though in terms of sales like I absolutely deserved it but so when I when I was publishing my book I was like doing a lot of research on the New York Times like how do you get on how many do you really need to sell and I was shocked to discover that the New York Times bestsellers list is an editorial list meaning it's curated it's not um based on statistics it's not one two three four five of like it's basically opinion it's an editorial um and so when you look at like USA Today charts which are statistically just based on number of books sold that to me is and it sucks that like everybody puts so much weight on New York Times bestseller because in order to

make New York Times bestsellers you have to sell enough books but you also have to then be like approved slash chosen by the editors of the New York Times which is hard to do especially because the New York Times is technically a political newspaper it's like more liberal leaning so if your book might not align with all their you know agenda then you have a less likelihood of getting on the list so when when you look at the USA Today I find the USA Today list to be more interesting because it goes in order this person sold 10 books this person sold nine books this person sold five books like it's based on numbers and so like not to make literally everything about me but I found it really interesting how I was number 12 and I'm I'm just supporting James's theory I'm not making

the story about myself and it's good that you have personal and I'm so grateful to have been on the list because they literally hold it like ransom I'm like and I if I ever read another book I would love to be on the list but like and I'm not saying in any way like I'm comparable to this person but my book came out and when you when you have your first week sales that includes all pre-orders all pre-orders so the three months leading up I had all those sales and the first week so I had 13 weeks of sales and on the USA Today list I believe I was I don't know what number I was but I know I was above Michelle Obama whose book had been out for two years at this point so I'm not saying my book was bigger than Michelle Obama's I'm just saying in the three months and one week that I did

pre-sales I did sell more books than the one week Michelle Obama two years later right I'm just trying to give context and so I was above because I just my pre-orders that's it on USA Today on USA Today I was above and then on New York Times that she was like number three and I was number 12 so it just doesn't make sense in terms of numbers. But I'm not saying in any way that I'm a better book. Well, actually, no, I'm kidding. That my book has any way comparable to Michelle Obama. I was just talking about statistics.

Right. I know people are going to drag me for like bringing that up, but I just thought it was interesting. And so when I had learned that when I was doing research, because I really wanted to get on the list, it was like a huge goal of mine. I was like almost disheartened because it's like you can sell you can literally sell 10 million books and you could knock it on the list just because you know somebody at the New York Times doesn't like you and I'm not a media darling you could you could set 10 million and you will you

have to sell an absurd amount right I don't know what the number is but you have to sell an absurd amount of books to make the list no matter how much they don't want you to make it right you know no and he's right we regard it as like this beacon but also this is what he said and he makes some fire points he said look i know somebody's going to accuse me of pursuing self-interest here and they would be right i'm an author i love landing on the list that gets more attention than any other list in the country a list that brings additional visibility and attention to the books its names a list that has I imagine it should be easy enough for an economist to prove actual monetarily value for authors and publishing houses yeah and a list that can make or break the careers of new writers maybe I'm foolish for thinking bestseller is

supposed to be a measure of what's most popular with my fellow book buying readers as opposed to sometimes decreed value judgment on the method by which the books were sold at any rate I'm asking you to please cut it out by the way that's actually a really good point especially for like new authors and that's the thing with like TikTok now it's like so many books go viral and they're selling crazy amounts of copies like people are so influenced buying on their kindles and it doesn't really they don't make the list but they're selling like thousands and thousands of books you know years after the book has been published and if it had made the New York Times bestsellers list that's such a huge platform because people go to the New York Times bestseller list to choose their next book of

course and it's it's printed it's one of the most widely distributed widely circulated newspapers in the country like it's basically a billboard for your book yes also and they also only sell they only print the first 10 so I didn't even make the print version they can choose whatever books they want like it's their newspaper but then you can't accurately call it a best sellers list it could be called the new york times book list yeah the new york times recommended book list you know and it's like and then it's an amalgamation of sales and curation and our taste uh but it's not a best sellers list no. No, it's a curated list of recommendations. And to put it honestly, he's so right.

To put it as a bestsellers list in number order when it actually is not accurately based on numbers, shouldn't that, that's like, not only is it factually incorrect, but it's also like false advertising. Yeah. To say that like, you know, I'm just making this up, like Crying in H Mart is the number

one book. And I'm sure it was, but I don't know why I'm using that book as an example. But to say that any book is the number one book in the country right now when actually there are other books that sold more copies, that's just misleading and factually incorrect. Yes. Also. And maybe they should also look into their dagger system because I got a dagger and that's something I just will never stop talking about because I didn't fucking deserve one. No literally but they say that the

panel of reporting retails is comprehensive and reflects sales in tens of thousands of stores of all sizes and demographics across the U.S. so they make it really vague that it's like oh you could never know what happens in tens of thousands of stores but we know and this is the best sellers. He said that should be reassuring but it's not because it's bonkers. It's an excuse. Tens of thousands of bookstores we would be a happier and less dysfunctional nation if it were true but it's regrettably not maybe you mean locations that sell books and you include grocery stores newsstands amazon lockers and yard sales but that's a quibble yeah there's really no way to know there's yeah they're saying the list isn't what we think it is because you're combing through mom

and pop grocery stores like that's such a lie yeah no and i think like people only realize it when they write a book and of course everybody wants to make the best sellers it's like a dream i can't stop talking about it the fact that i made it it's equal parts ego and um no it's ego like it's no but what he says is extremely true like if you make that list it's the difference between your book being seen by millions of people and not yeah yeah so it's it's business too it's not just about like oh this feels nice yeah and even though it does feel nice and it's not they they offer no they're not transparent about it at all again not to make everything about me but when i got a dagger on my list i my publisher which is like a really it's simon and chester was like a legit publishing house

i asked him to reach out to new york times i would be happy to provide any like I did when they put a dagger next to your name it's like yeah this person sold a lot of books but we have reason to believe that maybe they bulk bought their own book and I was like okay um so I asked him to reach out I said I would provide anything like I didn't want the dagger to live on the website like I am not worthy of a dagger never heard like they weren't willing they never responded they never gave anything and so they're not willing to work with writers or public they're very rigid yeah so I think that everybody has complained over the years you know this person didn't make it it's infighting and this and that and dagger and such but when James Patterson is saying it yeah and he's made he owns the list he makes it no matter what like he's a darling of the literacy world it's impossible to ignore yeah but I also think

some of his books he said he wrote a book about uh police um American police it was like illuminating firsthand stories and it didn't make the list they said that I don't know they said some bullshit about that so he's experienced it when it's not, you know, Alex Cross. Right, right, right. You would assume, and to see like a book of his not make the list. Like that's impossible. That's impossible. Because to be honest, people are really surprised.

Because like books aren't really what they used to. I think a lot of people think in order to make the list, you have to sell like a million books. To make one of the lists, I think you need like a good minimum of like 6 000 copies in three months 6 000 and be a favorable person and be a favorable person but if you're an unfavorable person right how many do you think you have to sell in the first week of sales to be like unignorable to ignore it also depends what else came out that week and such it does it does i'm okay so i'm of year i have to say you know above 15 000 yeah sometimes you'll see someone on the list and it's like i'm sorry

nobody's buying that book you didn't even chart on amazon bro right that's the other thing now we have that's exactly what he's saying we have access to so much data we're able to look in real time at amazon at the you know audiobook audiobook bookstore, at the Kindle bookstore. Like, yeah, you could really see that shit is updated multiple times a day. You can see what books are popular. He said he gets his info from Bookscan. I think that literally tells you how many books. So I actually, like a year.

Can a lay person look at Bookscan? No, you have to like, I think, register as an author, which I did. And then I never checked it. I really should check it. We need those information. I know. Yes, we have so much data. It's like, like come on who do you think you're fooling maybe back in the day everyone would flock to New York Times being like wow they sold a lot of books but we have so

much access especially as authors and it must be really disheartening to have like a really great week with your book and think you're gonna get it and really be eligible but not get it. But I will say on the flip side because we have all of these other methods of seeing charts just that we we can use them to disprove the new york times but it also helps elevate those exact books that we're talking about like i don't necessarily get my book recommendations from new york times i get them from amazon charts i get them from goodreads charts yeah in the same way that oh we have all those charts that we could see that you're wrong we also all have all those charts we could see what's actually popular then it's like we as a society need to stop putting so much emphasis and importance

on the New York Times list because we know now and James Patterson has validated that it's actually not a legitimate list yeah but it's just the culture we live in like even me I'm like ragging on the list you will not catch me go one day without telling people I made the New York Times like we put so much importance on it the unfortunate importance of the New York Times it's so like it's just unfortunate I know by the way I know it's fraudulent like I have had a first-hand experience at it being fraudulent and it's still one of my greatest accomplishments how sad is that beyond yeah and that's just a little bit about me being a loser I doubt anything will change but this is

definitely a big spotlight it might be helpful if like other big authors joined the you know yeah but it's like on the one hand you have to be big enough that doesn't matter if they hate you you don't like it you want to get on the bad side yeah but if you're like you know you're Taylor Jenkins Reid and you're creeping up and you are finally having your moment in the sun it's like well I'll show every man for himself yeahen hoover is like yeah killing it but even colleen hoover like technically there should be weeks where she's the only person on the list right and also i feel like when she was like only doing ebooks for certain of her books like those books before she was the talk of the town those books probably were selling a couple thousand copies in a given

week there are lists like that are strictly ebooks and she probably was snubbed a number of times before they just like decided she's not ignorable before they decided to platform her yeah like it's almost like an endorsement yeah i think that's how they see it yeah it's bullshit that's why you should become a redhead because we don't do any crap like this no and they are a data-based book club right sure yeah i mean we each give a rating we do the average you put data first and we put in a ranking system we have a spreadsheet ranking system of the best books but we also would say that we don't feel like it accurately reflects when we think back on all the books that we've read yeah but new episode of the redhead drops this week on thursday we are recording today so get your questions in for yar girlies because we're ready to chit chat because it's time and because this month's book was extremely crazy

was it divisive i don't know how it will be divisive i think that it will just be like a really passionate episode in terms of like I didn't like this book got it you know what I mean but it's like I feel differently about I didn't like the book but I feel differently than it's not like other books I've disliked and lob and lob got it so yeah great discussions coming up before we dive into the fifth and final story right fifth and final fifth and final um let me just share how today's episode finally is brought to you by sock talk you've been stewing about a health problem you have isn't that the truth jackie open up whoa i didn't know i would be put on the spot actually doctor patient confidentiality

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to acquire the facilities in San Diego, El Cajon, and Lemon Grove. A rep for Odom tells us the venues consist of a women's residential treatment home and two men's detox and residential treatment homes. The biddings will fittingly be called Odom Wellness Treatment Centers, and Lamar is vowing to be highly involved with the patients at the facilities. In fact, they're told Lamar is ready to start saving lives ASAP. He wants to help everyone he can. He is thankful that he was given a second chance at his life

and feels his destiny is to help others. can he is thankful that he was given a second chance at his life and feels his destiny Is to help others. Oh, this is so sweet. What a great full circle moment. It reminds me of dope sick Yeah, how he became you know a professional. I love lamar odom. I have so much love in my heart for lamar odom I truly wish lamar odom the best and I think this is beautiful, you know, I think this is beautiful, too I think it's also a great way to stay on track with your sobriety and your recovery is to like be involved in the community. So I think it's great for him.

I think it's great for these organizations, the patients. I love this. I love this. And he's kind of like becoming the man that Khloe deserves and probably always thought he could be. I know. And as much as I like love them and ship them, I don't think there is a world in which they. No, the ship has sailed.

Quite literally. But it's just fun to think about. And I think Lamar had moved on. Yeah. But he always says nice things about Chloe. He always, and he always, I mean, if she wanted to, he would in a second. It's not even a question. But I think he knows like how he really kind of like fucked her up and how he's like grateful for

to be in a good place with her so I think he's just you know he's not asking for more he's just happy with where he's gonna bloom where he's planted yeah but if she called and said get over here he would be on the next plane he would I love this I'm really so just a little heartwarming news to end your Monday because that was just the craziest time when literally I think he actually did die and they like brought him back the Kardashians thought he had passed away that was crazy and not only did he live but he's helping others paying it forward he's thriving he's thricing Thrice and stricing You guys Bruno sat on my lap

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Sitting up He's so relaxed He's like this. Because we're very relaxing. Yeah. When his two favorite ladies are together, he can rest peacefully. And he successfully got Theo on the floor, so he has no competition. You know, this is the ideal situation for Bryce.

And Bruno has his back to him. It's like he's not even here. I love having the boys in the studio. I love podcasting with you. It's everything. It's such a fun way to start your day. Even though, oh my god, my day started horribly this morning. I can't believe I didn't mention it. I thought today was going to be the worst day ever because I was, like when I went in the kitchen to make my coffee, I had to put some things away

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