The Toast - All Things Trout with Olivia Oshry: Friday, June 13th, 2025

Episode Date: June 13, 2025

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It's Jackson Claude and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show. The Fast Five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast. Happy Friday, happy Trout Day.

I am joined today by my big sister, Olivia, AKA Trout. Hey yo, what's up? I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy that you're here. It's very exciting. We're both in studio together, obviously like it's extremely legit, you know Well, I feel like a real podcaster. Yeah, you are well, you know, I'm pretty sure I was like the most requested Oh, no, I'm totally joking like five people really wanted me and here I'm making it happen for the five of you guys

No, everybody really wants trout. It wouldn't be an episode of co-host friends and family without a piece of trout Well, you know what? I think the funny thing is is that you guys are growing so fast that sometimes a lot of people don't even know that I exist they're like Olivia who's that? Back we're growing so fast. No, I know I always see comments sometimes. They're like, there's another sister. I'm like, hello. Yes, it's me I'm here, you know, yes if're new here, because we're growing so fast, Claudia and I are sisters and we have two other sisters. So everyone got to hear Margot on the Ones and Twos

on Monday, Snitch on the Toast. She's our littlest sister. And this is our biggest sister, Olivia Trout. I actually, you know that I'm not a toaster per se, because I don't have the time to listen every day. And I also feel like, because I talk to you all day every day, I know how you feel about a lot of things. So I don't always the time to listen every day. And I also feel like because I talk to you all day every day, I know how you feel about a lot of things.

So I don't always feel like I have to listen. She give us and she take it away. A lot of times people will message me something. And then I realize that I think you're talking about me a lot on the toast. So then I'm confused that some of the new fans don't know who I am. Yeah, but we never give context or we rarely do.

So when we're just like this, trotted that. I think they just figure at some point they'll catch up. But we don't give who I am. Yeah, but you know, we never give context or we rarely do so when we're just like, Trout did this, Trout did that. Like, I think they just figure at some point they'll catch up, but we don't give an explainer every time, but yes. Understood. Olivia is the oldest of the sisters. You should explain why you call me Trout too, because that might be confusing for people.

It's just a childhood nickname that I called you a lot when we were growing up and then it laid dormant for 10 years. And then when we moved down to Florida together and we were spending a lot of time together, like I just, I guess I felt like my childhood self again, and I started calling you Trout again. Yeah. And now your name is Trout. Yeah, 100% Trout. Ashray Shapiro. Here she is.

Tell us a little bit about yourself, because apparently we're growing so fast and people might not know you. Oh, my God. Well, I'm the oldest of my sisters. I'm so proud of them. I think they're beautiful, stunning, smart, and all the things. I live here in Florida too. I call myself sort of like corporate trad vibes, you know, because you got me into the sourdough, I have a garden. You know, I do a lot of cooking. And people are always like, did you always cook so much? And I think like when you have a family to feed

and a lot of times feeding your family too, it's like, yeah, you gotta make dinner and you gotta figure it out. And you have to have like recipes and like things on repeat. So yes, I share a lot about food, things that I love to eat, brands that I love. I have been in marketing for 15 years, so I'm a very brand-centric person.

I love brand, I love marketing, I love great ads, and I love the toast, and I love my sisters, and what else do people wanna know about me? No, that's great, thank you so much. I feel like sometimes it's hard,, like I think about that a lot. I always think about it with my Instagram bio. I'm like, who am I and what do I do? And it's very hard for me to like wrap my head around,

you know, like I'm not going to be like, mom, wife, sister, you know, but I do kind of have a little bit. But that's what you are, mom, wife, sister. No, I know, so I'm like, you know, I'm like, what do I say about myself? I'm the founder and CEO of Turteloo Global. No, see, and that'sek, you know? I'm like, what do I say about myself? I'm the founder and CEO of Turteloo Global. No, see, and that's amazing, you know?

I sometimes, recently, I think it's been like that for over a year, and sometimes I'm like, should I change it to literally anything else? No, I look at my Instagram all the time. The picture that I have there is from, like, two and a half years ago. I'm like, but like, what would I change it to? Because I'm not somebody, like, when you come to my Instagram, like, you will not years ago, I'm like, but like what would I change this to? Because I'm not somebody, like when you come to my Instagram,

like you will not see me, like it will not be photos of me in different outfits in different settings. It will be like photos of the things I ate, made, grew. And I'm not gonna put like a picture of a big tomato as my, you know, as my profile picture. So- Your prize winning tomato. Yeah, and I don't like love to take pictures either.

Like I think if you know me, you know that about me. So I struggle, I struggle. No, okay, well you're doing a great job. We're excited that you're here. We have some really great stories today. And I decided after we skipped Deer Toasters with Jared Freed, I looked at my roster of co-hosts

and I thought who would be great to do Deer Toasters with. And I do think it's America's big sister, Troutskin. Oh my God, okay, great. So we're gonna do Deer Toasters today. I know that if I didn't do Deer Toasters with, and I do think it's America's big sister, Trouskin. Oh my God, okay, great. So we're gonna do Dear Toasters today. I know that if I didn't do Dear Toasters this week, and like we did Queenie and Weenie, like they would riot in the streets. But Dear Toasters, like sometimes I see, like insane situations. Insane.

Like I don't even know if I'm gonna help advise, but like it's- No, I chose ones that I think you would give good advice for. Oh, good, okay. Like they're very tailored to the guests. Like I had ones picked out for Jared Freed. Those are not the ones that we're doing today. Yeah, I do wanna talk about your Jared Freed episode, but I have a sneaking suspicion that one of the stories

also ties into it as well, because I have a point to make on that. So we'll see. So if we don't have one of the stories about it, then I'm gonna bring it back up again. What would tie into Jared Freed in the stories? Should I just say it now? Yeah.

Well, I'm like Travis and Taylor, like living down here. Is that one of the stories? Yeah, that's our first story, that they're like Florida stars. Move to Florida. No, I knew it was gonna be, because it's kind of that one of the stories? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, that's our first story. That they're like Florida stars. Move to Florida. No, I knew it was gonna be because like, it's kind of the theme of the week

with Jared talking about like having moved down here. Yeah. Just being down here is so fucking Pargy, you know? Everybody wants to be here, guys. I think they're experiencing the Pargy vibes. The Stanley Cup, I did go to a finals game last year. You did, you did. And it was really an amazing time.

So I'm glad that Taylor and Travis had that experience for themselves, and we will talk about it in the stories. So thank you for caveatting that. Okay, so before we get into it, I actually came here with an agenda. You said that, what is it? I've been rehearsing this at night, and I feel really strongly about what I wanna say.

Oh my God, okay, let's get the solo cam on her. Oh God, scary. Okay, so as you can see, I'm wearing my toast cardigan. I wear this cardigan like once a week. I also post like once a week about the fact that like you guys fucking need to bring this back. This is like the best piece of merch you've ever made and like I feel like you're ignoring me.

And every time I post it, people are like, oh my God, yeah, we need the cardigan. And I've been like kind of in my cardigan era, like I found some great cardigans on Amazon that I love, but like nothing compares to this. And so as I was thinking through like, how can I incentivize them to really want to bring this back for me and for everybody else that wants it?

Like I have a collab idea and I'm just putting it out there. Like I'm shooting my shot cause I'm here. Okay, okay. Okay, okay. You know how like- I seriously thought you were about to like talk about Israel and Iran, like I literally did not know what you were about to say about Israel and I ran, like I literally did not know what you were about to say, so I'm feeling more calm.

No, you know how like Vineyard Vines has like a whale or like Polo has like the horse? Like I think we should put like a trout, we should do like a trout X toast collab on the cardigan, different colors, like we can make it like seasonal. I just feel like this is me. Like I love this article of clothing more than anything else I own. And the fact that I only have one

and I have to wash it every so often and it's just gonna like lose its luster. Like we really need to bring it back. Okay, well, first of all, I agree with you. I love that cardigan and I wear it all the time. I will talk to the team, but we do need to run the numbers and see how many we sold.

Like there's a reason we didn't bring it back again and again and again. It wasn't our most popular item. Like, you know. I feel like maybe you didn't have like the right model ambassador advocate advocating for it. Because again, like I don't have like a super skinny body type, you know, and like this is the best article.

No, but it's really for everyone. I love that cardigan and I would love to make other colors. I think when we dropped the cardigan, we were like, cause all I wear is cardigans. I have cardigans in every single color. So when we did one, I was like, this is gonna crush. We're gonna be making pink ones. And it was just like, not a lot.

They didn't know. They didn't know. They didn't know. It was ahead of its time, you're saying. 1000%. And by the way, it's totally like- Classic Jackson Claude. It's a cardigan sort of summer.

I feel like cardigans are very in and I feel like this could be like, hood, couture, you know? Yeah, I mean, that was literally me one year ago and I agree with you. So you're preaching to the choir. Do you like my idea of like the little trout, like a little fish there?

We'll have to mock it up with the team. But did you see actually, if you're looking for some trout wear, did you see Paige Lorenz's brand Dairy Boy has like a fish sweater that's like, that they're selling? No. Yeah. Okay. And it's like all about the fish.

When I posted today's guest co-host clues. Yeah, I didn't see, what did you post? Just one bullet, one emoji, the fish. Oh my God, crying. And it's so funny because I don't identify with a fish, you know? Everybody guessed you. That was like the most percentage correct we've ever had. That was like 99% correct. Whereas we've gotten like 98%, 97.

By the way, I think we found my new Instagram bio. Just the fish. Like I should just do the fish. But one person did guess Ellen DeGeneres because she's Dory. Oh my God, hilarious. Good guess. Another person did guess Paige Lorenz

because she's having a fish moment. Okay, I didn't even know that. So thank you for letting me know. I should get you that sweater for your birthday. You should, I should caveat by saying like, if you know me having been on the toast before, like I don't, you know, I keep up up to date with news and pop culture and things, but I don't watch a lot of the,

I don't watch a lot of Bravo. I used to back in the day, I was the one, I was the gateway drug for Claudia and you getting involved in it. I was in the back in the day when people had blogs before social media where they're writing dissertations on what happened in the episode. That was my Bravo era, so I'm not always the hippest,

and thus I don't know about these things. That's okay, that's okay. But yeah, I'm here for the card again. That's why I came here. Damon Jack is like, you wanna co-host on Friday? I'm like, perfect. Let me insert my agenda into this episode. You're gonna use your platform,

and I do wanna use our platform to say that we're thinking of the people in Israel, and we stand with you, and we love you, and they're just in our our thoughts and prayers it's a really insane time right now but like go get them. Go get them. Am Yisrael Chai baby. Am Yisrael Chai. We have a great show, and I do want to get into the stories because I want to get to all five stories because the last two days we've only been doing four, and I do want to do dear toasters because I value my life. And yours as well. And like, you don't understand. No, and I love Deer Toasters. And I also feel like- The DTQ, the DT community, when they don't get it. Yeah, no. But also I feel like with the stories,

I might not have the most to share because I'm not like a pop culture fiend. So actually that works perfectly for me. Okay, great. The story's actually pretty interesting today, a little varied. And I am gonna talk about Love Island, even though I'm not all the way cut up.

There has been some news as people are coming off the island and doing podcasts and such that I wanna discuss. And I feel like every day I've like tried to work it in, but not everyone's watching and I'm just gonna bore my sister with it instead. Cause I wouldn't do that to a stranger. But I'll do it to my big sis. That's me.

So without further ado, let's get into the Fast Five Stories that you need to know. And today's episode is brought to you by Taylor Farms. Yes, I've been plotting my lunch today by Taylor Farms all week. Actually, I discussed it with Shannon, but today I'll be having the Mexican street corn salad. I have black beans, I have corn,

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I love every single brand that you just talked about, and I feel like even though you're like, I'm doing the ad read, you don't have to chime in, it's like, I wanted to chime in because I had something positive to say. It's the marketer in you. It is the marketer in me. You are the marketer in me. I was gonna do, I got the marketer in me.

That's better. Every time she touched that ad, it turns into gold. Into gold. Everybody knows she's got the market in her. Market? I got the market. You do have the market. You have trends and forecasts. Supermarket. Our first story, Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce are a winning pair on a date to game four of the Stanley Cup final.

So Lurd and Viss took their Florida talents to the Stanley Cup final at Amarant Bank Arena in Sunrise, Florida on Thursday night to watch the Oilers take on the Panthers for the Stanley Cup. I don't know who won the game, but from my vantage point, like the Panthers are going to win the Stanley Cup. Is that what the word on the street is? Yes, and hopefully they are. Okay, hoping that they are, but they didn't win the game last night, which, okay, good, we have more games. Maybe they'll go to another one. We should go to one.

100%. But I'm just like really busy right now. No, this is what I wanted to say, and I'm so glad this is the first story. I kind of knew it was gonna be a story, not necessarily the first, but between Jared Freed and me being here on the toast, and obviously like... Everyone coming through the Florida studio was doing like live episodes from Florida, gonna be a story, not necessarily the first, but between Jared Freed and me being here on the toast

and obviously like. Everyone coming through the Florida studio us doing like live episodes from Florida, like everything's coming up Florida is what you're saying. 100%, I know. I just. I feel it too. I was in New York this week for a business trip

and everyone's like, oh, what are you up to? And I'm like, well, you know, like I live in Florida now. They're like, you do, do you like it? I'm like, I fucking love it, you know? I get a lot of messages in my DMs of people contemplate, like I really wanna move to Florida, I'm moving, what do you think? And it's just like, such a good life.

It's just like a happy, peaceful, blissful, sunshine-filled life. And by the way, we always talk about this, the weather is not necessarily my favorite part. I mean, hello, 90 degree weather wearing full black outfit. I do like winter clothing, and I like a cool breeze and such. And so like weather isn't even at like the top of my list

of like reasons to move. Weather is at the bottom of my list. I know. Of things about Florida. But it's just the best. It's not my favorite one. It's the best. It is the best.

And I also think coming from New York and like having this huge like shift in lifestyle, like we love like the slowed down pace and like the peace and quiet. And I hope that like for everyone who lives in like suburban areas of the country, that that's how they feel about where they live. A hundred percent.

And they probably do. And it's not just because of the weather, cause I just really want to reiterate, like the weather is my least favorite part about living here. The only thing that's good about the weather is that it's amazing for the kids. The fact that you don't have to like throw your kid in a jacket and then in the car,

and like it's just like a lot. And I feel like the kids just like are out and running and jumping and playing and swimming and dancing and happy and feet in the car. And like, it's just like a lot. And I feel like the kids just like are out and running and jumping and playing and swimming and dancing and happy and feet in the grass and the dirt and the, you know, like it's just such a wonderful life for them. So for them, I say the weather is, could be top of the list, but it's not necessarily about the weather,

but it's about like the vitamin D and the sunshine. And the ability to be outside almost 365 days of the year. Cause even when the weather's bad, like half the day, be outside almost 365 days of the year. Cause even when the weather's bad, like half the day it's good. And then the other half it rains for 10 minutes and then the sun comes out. It's crazy. Yeah. They're outside every single day, every single day. No, it's the best. So yeah. Um, Travis and Taylor, welcome to South Florida.

There's a reason why you're here and there's a reason why we're here. It's just the fucking best, you know? No, it's so funny. And it is funny that they're here. This is like the worst time of year. I. I know, I was thinking that too. But they seem to be enjoying it. Like when she has a house in Rhode Island, like no offense, I love Florida. Like why the fuck are you here right now?

No, 100%. I think the other thing too, that I wanted to say about this that my lost my train of thought. So when it comes back to me, like I'll say it. So great, you know? But I do have a lot of things to say on this topic. I just think that, oh, I remember what I was gonna say.

Since we moved down here, have you noticed that like all the teams are like killing it? Like, you know, there was like FAU was in the elite eight. I don't think they like had ever been there before. The Miami Dolphins, like go Dolphins, you know, like. It's up. Yes, no, I have noticed that. I feel like the Miami Heat has always been like in the mix too, but like the Marlins. I won't take credit for the Heat, Yes, no, I have noticed that ever since we moved here.

I feel like the Miami Heat has always been in the mix too, but the Marlins. I won't take credit for the Heat, but I will take credit for the Panthers. The Panthers, yeah. I will take credit for the Finns when they're doing well. Yeah. Jacksonville Jaguars, you're welcome.

You're welcome. Yeah. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, you know? It's just like. They had a winning season though, without us here, so I'm gonna take credit. 100%. No, I'm just saying, Florida sports, it's like. Yeah. had a winning season though without us here. So I'm just saying like Florida sports. It's like Yeah, creme de la creme, baby. Yeah, I think like, you know, the vibes are high

Yeah, and they're all the players are feeling it ever since we got here. Yeah, and Taylor does have like some sort of Relationship with Florida. She has a like she references a lot on the album Florida Florida song, you know move to Florida by a Tesla on Fortnite. So I wonder how she feels about it. I wouldn't tap her as a Florida person. No, me either. But like Travis is definitely leading the charge. Like he loves golf.

Yeah, totally. He's like in the gym in Miami. Like I'm sure there's like a lot of really good sports trainers down here, but it's really nice of her to like be with him. And it seems like she's enjoying it. No, totally. And I'm interested to see like how of really good sports trainers down here, but it's really nice of her to be with him and it seems like she's enjoying it. No, totally, and I'm interested to see how much time they actually spend here,

because I think your point is super fair. Summer is not a time that people flock to Florida, but here they are. How long are they gonna stay? Are they gonna come back? Are they gonna purchase a property? What's their vibe? Yeah, if he does retire after next year,

maybe they'll be snowbirds, because they can't live here during the season Because he needs to be in Kansas City Yeah, but also they've been hitting up a lot of the restaurants hot spots in the South Florida area Which you do too and like I feel like the odds of you crossing paths with them is kind of high because like a lot of you've been to all The restaurants that they've been to right most of them I haven't been to buccan and I saw that they were there and that's where they got like, you know

Snapped a lot of photos when I saw the aw, I was like, hmm, what's that one? Because it wasn't familiar to me and then I realized, I'm like, it's because I haven't been there yet. But I think you should just continue on like your restaurant, like your usual business. Yeah, you gotta come with. Yeah, no, but that's like not my, that's not like what I do. So like, I feel like if I go out of my way to go,

I'm certainly not gonna see her and then I'll just have wasted my time. Do you think she also eats dinner at 5.45 though? Like that's probably the problem. No, but like you go out with your husband like and you guys do date night and you're really good about that. And you try it like you go to all the good restaurants.

Yeah, what we like to eat so. You know, that's just like a big part. Like that's just a big part of your relationship. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, Zach and I like even when we get a date night like we still go to Hillstone. Yeah, or like I was gonna say you go to the same two places.

Yeah. But I love that for you, you know. No, no, and that's us. Yeah, 100%. That's us. say, you go to the same two places. Yeah. But I love that for you. No, and that's us. Yeah, 100%. That's us. So I'm just saying. Maybe that's going to be Taylor. She's like, you've tried a lot of different things a little bit.

A little bit. And then you hone in on the things that you like. You know? Yes. Hillstone, I mean, you've been going to for like 20 years. So I don't know about that one. No, and we even went to it in New York. But that's just that, and we're creatures of habit.

So I just want to say, if anybody is going to spot Taylor in the wild, it is going to be Olivia. So watch this space. Yeah, I actually haven't been thinking about it that way, but like maybe I'll make it my mission. No, I think if you make it your mission, it won't happen. So what I'm saying to you is just keep doing what you're doing and I think something will happen.

Okay, okay. Yeah. Keep you posted. Our next story, Sabrina Carpenter is like in a little bit of controversy with her new album. So we talked about yesterday how she announced her new album, Man's Best Friend. She has a single out called Man Eater, which I did get to listen to this morning

and it's so amazing. And the album cover for Man's Best Friend is getting some flack for being misogynistic. I wanna pull up the photo. I saw this photo so many times in association with Sabrina's announcements. And I was just like, I didn't even think about it, but I was like, why do I keep saw this photo so many times in association with like Sabrina's announcements. And I was just like, I didn't even think about it, but I was like, why do I keep seeing this photo? Like, did she just post it on Instagram? So everybody's using it like the dog collar

one? Yeah, no, it's this one where she's like on all fours. Someone's pulling her hair like, oh, yeah, yeah. That's why I said dog collar. It's giving it. Yeah. And people are upset because they find it like degrading towards women, like very male gaze. And people are upset because they find it degrading towards women, very male gaze, and now it's a referendum on Sabrina's brand of feminine sexuality, which all of that I don't agree with. But I do agree that I do not like this cover. First of all, it doesn't look like an album cover. I saw it so many times before I realized it's an album cover.

Yeah. I thought it was just a shitty picture on Instagram. From a photo shoot or something. It's not premium. I agree. And it's not premium. I agree. And it's like, it's not my favorite message. And I love Breen.

What was the other one from her other album? Was it like big bubble gum vibes? Like it was blue with pink, right? It was more like her face, short and sweet album. Like, sure. Yeah. I don't know why I was giving like- Yeah, with her face, with the little kiss on the back. Oh yeah, yeah.

Now that's an album cover. Yeah, no, I saw, I think it- This looks like it was taken on an iPhone and put through VSCO cam.. Now that's an album cover. This looks like it was taken on an iPhone and put through VSCO Cam. That's not an album cover. I saw some discussion, I think it was Liz Woods, where people were just saying, it's just not a great image for young girls.

We could just be doing so much better. And I just have to say, I think I really agree with that. I just think, at the end of the day, like we also, her audience, I think is so vast, right? Like it's multi-generational at this point, but I think, I really hope that a lot of the stars of today, like take the responsibility of the messages that they put out to the youngest of their generations.

And I think in this case, this is more of like, that sort of like mainstream, multi-generational, like provocative sort of cover art, which like, I respect. Like you're free to do whatever you want. I just, you know, when you have a platform, you have to be responsible. I actually like, you know, I'm not the biggest Taylor Swift fan on earth.

Like I never went to the Errors tour. Like I like her music, but I just, you know, I'm not like gonna gonna lay down for her. But I actually think she takes her role very seriously in that regard of just being a little bit more wholesome and being that sort of more... But by the way, she had bad blood. She had eras where she was a little provocative too,

but I think generally speaking, I find her to be a bit more wholesome. And I just think that, I think the kids today could use a little bit more wholesome. And I just think that, I think the kids today could use a little bit more wholesomeness. Yeah, I've always loved Sabrina and I love the feminine, sexy, girly vibe she puts out, but there's always been a thing about her

that's very raunchy and I've always said it and that's just a funny, there's so much endo in her music and maybe the younger fans don't get it and it's really for the older fans. It's cute and also she's well into her 20s. She's singing about her life and her experiences and like this is what she's actually going through and I just feel like sometimes like the raunch is cranked up too high and I hate to like be that prudish person but this is

a no from me I'm still gonna but the thing about me is like I don't need to like boycott Sabrina not listen to them I'm'm like, I stand so hard, but I'm allowed to say like, this is not my favorite one. Yeah, no, and I think that's fair. And I think also the thing that I think about, and I'm sure you do too, is like when you play these songs in the car, like especially if you're playing it like on CarPlay

or something like that, like the cover art does come up in like a Spotify or Apple music. And so like when you have young kids in the back of the car, I mean, again, my kids are five and two and a half, but again, the images that they're seeing, I just think, generally speaking, we can be doing better. Because honestly, I agree, her music is a bop.

My Kaylor would absolutely love it. But I don't necessarily, and they love to look at the cover art. They're like, I wanna see, I wanna see. And they identify, sometimes in my car, where all the things recently played comes up, and they see it, and then that's how they know what they want. So it's just that visual sort of recognition

and imagery that I think generally speaking, we could do better, but I also agree with you. It's just like, it's not a great photo. Like it's not high res, it's giving like dungeon. Like submissive, yeah, it's like low quality. I don't like the message. I don't like the look of it. Even yesterday, she was on the cover of Rolling Stone

and she's naked on the cover. Her hair is like covering her bits and it's very tasteful. Like if that were an album cover, I would have no problem with it. Like it's artistic and it's beautiful. This is neither of those things. I agree. I agree wholeheartedly.

And I'm so, you guys know how I feel about Breen and like she can do no wrong, but this is not my favorite one. Yeah, and it's not a favorite. That's the thing. It's like, it's not necessarily doing anything wrong And I'll say that. Yeah, and it's not a favorite, that's the thing. It's not necessarily doing anything wrong. It's a personal preference and taste and it's not ours. Yeah, she also had a funny clap back because people were like, her music is so sexual.

Why does she have to make music like this? And she's like, you guys are the ones making it popular. Most sexual songs are my biggest hits. That's on you. 100%. Which is also true. I also think with music, it's very different because words can be interpreted so differently for people

versus the visual is a little bit. It's like the movie Shrek. When you watch it as a kid, it's such a cute animated film. When you watch it as an adult, you're like, Shrek said what? Yeah. And I think that's cool. And it's sophisticated humor.

And that's fine by me. And I don't find her music to be too sexual. But this is just like... It's not the best. Yeah our next story The Traitors season four rumored cast list has leaked 16 stars have been named including one past Contestant several reality stars and Donna Kelsey. I did see this because I saw Donna Kelsey. I'm kind of obsessed Yeah, so that's kind of the headline here. Donna Kelsey might be on Traders.

I think that's a really great casting. I think it's obviously really good for the show. But good for like Mama Kelsey because she's, she's in the zeitgeist. By the way, 100%, I know nothing about Traders, never seen an episode, don't even know what it's about. But I agree, like I love this for Mama Kelsey. Also like Jason just retired.

Obviously they have the podcast. It's very successful. Travis is not going to play for forever, but, like, Mama Kelsey is, like, making a name for herself, you know, and, like, good for her. Like, Mama Kelsey's got agents and managers, and, like, this is the next step for Mama Kelsey. And they're doing it right for her. Yeah. Yeah. Proud.

Like, to go to a castle in Scotland, like, go off, Queen. Totally. Some of the other people who have been rumored, one person in particular, sparking my interest, Maura Higgins from Love Island, season five UK. That's Molly May's season. Okay. Maura was, I don't know why I feel like I'm saying her name wrong.

Maura? I don't know why it sounds wrong to me. But Maura, or Maura. Whatever your name is. Literally one of my favorite people. Whatever your name is, she loves you. One of my favorite people I've your name is, she loves you. One of my favorite people I've ever encountered

on reality television. Oh amazing. Like so beautiful, so funny, so cute. And we need more Maura. So that can't be right. More Maura, more Maura. Mara? I don't know.

Maura. Maybe more. It's M-A-U-R-A? Yeah. Maura? Moira? I don't know. Now I'm like, now everything sounds wrong to me.

I know. And if you look at it, it's gonna look wrong too. So she's rumored. I think that would be amazing. I have never watched Traders. It's something that I'm open to watching just because people really love it. And like, Maura Higgins would get me to watch it.

I think that was right, the way you just said it. That's how I've been saying it the whole time. And that's kind of why I like Mama Kelsey for this, because I feel like she can be like Big Mama Bear vibes. Again, I don't necessarily know what the show is about, but I feel like there's always people that come in with an agenda to be super aggressive and backstabbing. And that's not what she's gonna come,

that's not her energy. So I kind of love, maybe you'll be catching me watching Trader season four. Probably not. I feel like her strength is that that's what you think of her. You know, she could be like the villain. It's all about like lying, like who's a faithful. Well, it's also editing.

You never know. No, no, no, no, no. It's a game of like... Like trusting in people. Trusting people, trying to find people, like who's the villain. Like some people are like called the traitors or whatever. They're just deemed that by production, I think. This is just what I've gleaned.

And then the faithfuls have to find out who are the traitors. And I think everyone would just assume that Donna Kelsey is being honest. And she could use that to her advantage to win. Yeah, I think the other thing too is that that is so obvious that it might be the other way around. And she would be a faithful because taking this like faithful. But her being a faithful is so obvious. I think she other thing too is that that is so obvious that it might be the other way around and she would be a faithful because like Taking this like being a faithful so obvious. I think she will be the traitor. All right. We'll see what happens

Portia Williams is a rumor contestant candor's Dillard beset both from usually a lot of Bravo people, right? Both from real housewives Lisa Rinna is rumored Mark ballast from Dancing with the Stars Colton Underwood throwback Thursday Mark Ballas from Dancing with the Stars, Colton Underwood, Throwback Thursday, Monet X. Like Lisa Rinna is giving like a hundred percent would be a villain. Do you know what I mean? Like in an obvious sort of way. Yeah, Dorinda's rumored to return.

She was like a big, she was big on the last season. Is there a winner? Last season four people won. Okay. That's not my favorite either. But I've moved on from it. Then a bunch of other people. I don't know Johnny Weir.

Interesting. Okay, sounds like a good mix. Yeah, it does. And I think it's people from all different corners of reality television. So unless you seriously watch every TV show under the sun, you're not gonna know everyone and you get to meet new people and that's fun.

Yeah, totally. Yeah. So I'm kind of like staying open. It depends like when Traders is on. I feel like it wouldn't be on for a while. Yeah, that you do like announce a cast and then. Yeah, I could have some time on my hands. Better do some promo, you know?

Couldn't be right now because I'm watching Love Island every single night, except for last night. What'd you do last night? I saw your chicken rocks. They looked so yummy. I made chicken rocks and then I tried to watch a little bit more of good friends and your friends and neighbors. Yeah. I'm halfway through the last episode, but I just couldn't focus because there was a lot going on in the world.

So I was like, I literally have to keep her winding. I'm like, let me just watch this another time. Yeah, what do you think? I like it. I just wonder what's gonna happen in the last episode that will like make it whole, you know? Yeah, it's I liked it too in the sense that it's like beautiful, interesting cast. Setting. But like so fucking unrealistic. Like I just, sometimes I can't with just like

how unrealistic some of these shows are, you know? Does something happen in the last episode that like we move the plot forward? Yeah. Okay. Obviously. Okay. But definitely sets up for another season. Okay. Yeah. Great.

That's what I need. Cause right now I'm just like, okay, bruv, you're going to jail. Yeah. Great. That's what I need. Cause right now I'm just like, okay, bro, you're going to jail. Now keep watching. Good luck. Okay, good. Cause I don't want him to go to jail

cause like he's our protagonist, but also like you're a criminal. A hundred percent. You should be there anyway, but not for that. Not for that, right. Right. It's very different. Our next story is some Grammys news because Grammys have discussed changes

for their 2026 ceremonies and nominations. So there will be new Grammy categories, more Grammy nominees and more expansive representation. So the Recording Academy CEO, Harvey Mason Jr. was discussing all of the changes. Here are the changes. Two new Grammy categories. Best traditional country album and best album cover. So now we will have best traditional country album and best contemporary

country album. Okay. Instead of having one category for both. Okay. Best album cover is so fucking weird and stupid to me. Agreed. And Sabrina will not be winning. I'm not, but actually you never know. Like those are the types of things that win, you know? Cause everything is like such a game. It's all around like the publicity and the promotional strategy. I agree, but like I actually, I'm sure whatever wins the best album cover

still won't be my favorite album cover. It won't be that. Couldn't agree more. Couldn't agree more. So people are really shook up about best country, traditional and best contemporary. And that's obviously like a function of what's been going on in the country world. Like there's a lot more new pop country, of course,

Cowboy Carter winning best country album and best album. Do you think that was the impetus for this? I can't imagine it was like the entire reason because that was one album and it's over. You made it through. You didn't have that category last like for Cowboy Carter. So like we've made it through. It's okay. Like we could go back to one. I'm always happy to see like more country representation. It means more country

artists will get nominated for Grammys. More will attend the Grammys. More might perform at the Grammys. So like I'm cool with that. But other than Cowboy Carter, like what's contemporary country album? Like that doesn't fall into traditional. Because even like there's a lot of content, like even Morgan Wallen is contemporary country. He's not traditional country. That's what I was gonna say. Like I listen to Sirius X on the highway, like a lot in my car and all of it seems very contemporary.

And they're like the country music station where they play like a wide range of stuff. But it's like, is Megan Moroney contemporary? Who's the girl? Ella Langley? I feel like that's contemporary. But not enough to be in a separate category. Yeah.

It's interesting. They need a good description on how they're going to differentiate. But again, I'm glad that means double the amount of country albums get nominated and stars get recognized, whereas usually they're all snubbed because they just can't all fit into one category., because they've not had enough representation. They can't all fit into one category.

Yeah, no, I actually, I agree with that. I just think they need to be clear on where the line is. I think they also maybe need to change contemporary to pop, you know, and be a little bit more specific on what contemporary means. Would Taylor Swift's country albums have been contemporary country? Yes.

Probably. And like Garth Brooks is like traditional, you know? Well, it's easy to- Like Luke is traditional, no? But like Luke is also contemporary. I don't know. I don't know either. I don't know.

So, yeah. Yeah. Miranda Lambert is like giving, it's like Miranda Lambert, I don't know. I was going to say, what's her face? Laney Wilson, like she's very traditional, but it's contemporary, you know? Yeah. I'll have to, I was gonna say, what's her face? Laney Wilson, like she's very traditional, but it's contemporary, you know? Yeah.

Once I see it, I'll be able to really say, but so far, I'm a little confused. So far confused, but happy for the news. Yeah, I'm not mad at it. Yeah, but happy for the country music community, but also with things like this, I feel like they set themselves up for failure because they don't actually do a good job

of delineating between the categories and then it just kinda becomes a clusterfuck and I feel like in three years from now, you'll be like, well, the Grammys are revamping all their categories and it's back to one for, do you know what I mean? Because they weren't clear on what it was and it didn't work out.

Yeah. And people are just always looking for things to uproar about anyway, so give it to them. Yeah, I feel like also some of their like DJs who have done stuff in the country space like Diplo, like that would be contemporary. Right, Old Town Road. Yeah.

I'm gonna take my heart. But that wasn't an album, so I didn't even know what that would be. Oh, album. Yeah. Interesting. I think that just was like in Best New Song, right? Yeah. Some more changes will allow for like more artists

and creators to be nominated. For example, in the classical categories, composers and lyricists are now eligible for Grammy recognition. I'm here for that. Because it's music, you know? And because it's not gonna be televised. So like, what do I give a damn if more people win Grammys?

Great. Right, right, happy for you. Yeah. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Yes, and then I'm ready for Dear Toast's baby. Or are you gonna do Love Island first and then Dear Toasters? Fifth and final story will lead into a Love Island recap because they are related.

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A few days ago though, I saw her elimination. She now is back in the real world and doing interviews and talking about her experience. And she told People Magazine the one connection she wishes she explored on Love Island. So apparently behind the scenes, Bella actually had chemistry with Taylor, who is the cowboy. So Bella was like all in on Nick and then Nick didn't pick her because he picked someone else and now she's didn't get to stay on the island. But she said Taylor and I had this kind of crazy strong chemistry that neither one of us really expected. She said that she didn't wind up pursuing it because she's a girl's girl and he was with Alondria

and yeah, she wouldn't want to have stepped on any toes. And honestly, that wouldn't have really played well if like things started going south with Nick and then she was like, well, Taylor and I, and it'd be like, it would be reading as desperate. So honestly, I really don't know how she could have even gone about that and it's better that she just went home with like her dignity because whenever somebody does that like a last Hail Mary

It's just like giving desperation and you want to stay on the show though. I do believe her that she says that they did have a connection I don't know how that would have come off if she tried to pursue it She said she felt a connection to him But she didn't want to feel like you're stabbing your girl in the back because you're pulling her man for a conversation She says her loyalty to her really really stopped her from exploring things with Taylor for a conversation. She says her loyalty to her really, really stopped her from exploring things with Taylor. Unfortunately, Bella didn't get to watch the show

and see that it seems as though Taylor and Alondria have zero chemistry. So I don't even think Alondria would have been that mad. It doesn't seem like Taylor has chemistry with anyone. So I'm shocked that he had some with Bella, but what do you know, I'm sure there's a lot that we don't see even though we're watching every single night and they put the most boring footage into the show, but I'm sure there's a lot that we don't see even though we're watching every single night and they put the most boring footage into the show.

But I'm sure there's still other stuff that we don't see. I heard last night like two new bombshells entered the villa. I don't think people are excited about them, but I have to watch for myself. Other than that, the last that I saw was after the pie challenge and Ace and a mire just being like seriously the worst and ace is like dead wrong. Cause to me, the most shocking thing in the two weeks that I've been watching is that ace chose a Maya at the recoupling ceremony when the whole time it's been this like cat and mouse game with Shelley, like they should have been coupled up from the first jump,

but then he was snagged by the girl who was kicked off after one day. I don't remember her name, but she literally, they woke up one morning and they were like, she's gone home because she had like old, she got on the show. Then people were like, this is everything she said on the internet. And they're like, literally overnight she was gone. So then Ace was free to explore his connection with Shelly and they had met outside a club in New York one time, so they felt like it was fate that brought them together

to the show and they really were always just eyeing each other and it sort of felt like everything was working for them to get coupled up together. And then he literally has the opportunity to choose anyone he wants to couple up with and he does not choose Shelly. He chooses Amaya. So I was like, oh, I guess him and Shelly

don't like each other like that and I just miss that. And that in the 24 hours he's known Amaya, So I was like, oh, I guess him and Shelley don't like each other like that. And I just missed that. And that in the 24 hours he's known Amaya, he really likes her. I literally had to rewind because I wasn't paying attention. And then I saw the girls standing there at the end and it was Sierra, Bella and Shelley. I'm like, why is Shelley still there? Who chose Amaya? It was seriously shocking. But now I understand why he chose Amaya.

He is seriously manipulative and did it to toy with Shelly, I think to like make her mad and like play the game a little bit more. And the thing is, is Shelly didn't give a fuck. I don't think Shelly likes him that much. So she was like, okay, you're into Amaya, cool. I'm gonna continue to explore what I think I might have with Austin.

I don't think she really likes anyone that much and just doesn't care. So it really backfired for Ace because instead of like getting close to Shelly all week, sleeping in bed with her, cuddling with her and like exploring their relationship, he like tried to, I don't know, like be a dick and like show her what she's missing. And instead he wound up in a couple with someone he doesn't like. And then he had to like try and tell her, he was trying to tell her like, I'm keeping my options open, you know, but it was like, nobody asked, like you just recoupled.

Why can't you just enjoy this moment if you like this girl a little bit, like enjoy the recoupling and then later be like, still like open. Of course, everybody's open there. Even Huda and Jeremiah are technically still open. It's the first week, like nobody's married. I don't think it needed to be said.

And he started being like, I have these boundaries. And it was just like, for lack of a better word, gaslighting her because she was like, of course all of those things are true, but why are you saying that to me right now? Unfortunately, Amaya is also off the rails because her reaction to everything, like she was totally done dirty by Ace,

but like then her reactions were so big and insane. Like she's the bad guy now. It's really so crazy. So the two of them like literally can't even look at each other. And I'm sort of like off of Ace and I think Shelly deserves better. And I think he totally like fucked up like really.

So I don't know where we go from here. I will be caught up by Monday but that's just a little Love Island recap. My faves so far, it's hard to have faves but I really like Alondria. Like I think she has her head screwed on right when it comes to matters in the villa. And like when she's giving someone advice,

like it is sound advice, like go with her, trust her. Some of the girls just say like, literally don't do that. Or like the guys will say something. I'm like, that's really bad advice. And then fave couple, not Huda and Jeremiah. I don't know how people feel about them, but they just like got married on day one and now it's like getting weird.

Yeah, it's really weird. They're not my favorite. I like having Charlie. Charlie, he's so cute. I'm glad he found someone. And then everyone else doesn't have chemistry but wants to stay on the show. So they're like faking it.

So other people come in and maybe they'll meet someone. Yeah, but if they don't, they go home. Like if you don't wind up in a couple and then there's recoupling ceremonies, if nobody chooses you, you go home. So like you've got gotta make something work, but you also can't look so phony. Right, right.

It's a tough line to walk. It's a tough line. I do not watch the show. Also, I think like for me it doesn't work because like what's on like every night and there's a zillion episodes. No, it's insane. Your girl needs to be watching like

her crime murder mystery dramas. I know, Harlan Coban is waiting for you. Ain't nobody got time for that. But I will say, I mean, it's just like you always have to look at these things through the lens of like who's on here to get some Instagram followers and some deals waiting for you. Ain't nobody got time for that. But I will say, I mean, it's just like, you always have to look at these things through the lens of like, who's on here to get some Instagram followers and some deals after the fact.

At this point. Yeah, it's like, so it's like hard to really take any of these couples seriously. You need to understand at this point, every single one of them is a content creator, benefits from being on the show, wants to be on the show. And like, I don't even think you can call any, like, it's not like, oh, she's here for the wrong reasons.

She's here to get famous. You all are. So now that that's like the playing field, it's even that's like, we just know that. And I can accept that. It just makes me so mad because when Molly May was on season five of UK, she was the only one whose job description was influencer,

like fashion influencer. And the public did not like her the entire time they thought that she was there just to get famous and use the situation, which every single person is there to do that, even if their thing says nurse, you know, they still want to be, have this platform. Oh my God, the people that are like a nurse or teacher are almost even worse, you know,

because they're like not even being upfront about their intentions. No, but like everyone wants to like quit their job and be a famous person and get paid thousands for brand new... Of course. So anyways, her and Tommy were together the entire time. Like, seriously, love conquered all with the two of them. The best couple that's ever come from Love Island, as we know.

That I do know. I actually follow Molly May because of you, and I really enjoy her content. They did not win their season because the public did not vote for them, because they did not like her because they thought that she was using Tommy and using the whole situation that she was faking it the entire time, which, by the way, you all were wrong if you want to admit that. And the person who won their season

was someone who had been betrayed by the guy she was with the whole time. And then by the end, she was still around at the end, so she just picked some random guy. And they chose her just to support her. The guy and her, I don't even know if they were ever even together, or if they were, it was like five days later, they broke up. And she was like a cute girl, but it's Love Island.

And Molly and Tommy were the love in Love Island. And Amber was just a great cast member, but they should have won, and that's the only flaw that I have. So it just bothers me that now we can all accept, oh yeah, everyone's a content creator and it's gonna be an influencer now, but not when it was Molly May's turn, okay?

Ahead of her time, just like Jackson Claude with the cardigans. That the general public is usually wrong. Well, ain't that the truth? Ha ha ha! Now it is time for Dear Toasters. We have made it to Dear Toasters. And we are gonna do Dear Toasters. It is our weekly advice segment, usually on Tuesdays,

unless the episode is running an hour and a half with a guest co-host. And we give advice to the swirlies. You can write in at deartoasters.gmail.com. You can submit an anonymous form on our website. Either way, it will be anonymous on the show. We don't even have people's names on here. Like, I have no idea who wrote this.

I just know that I want to help. So I tried some that I think you'll give good advice for. Amazing, I'm so excited. This first one, dear Jackson guest trout. I'm a mom of two, a four year old boy and a one year old girl. My boy is a classic first child and is very sensitive and a mama's boy. He's recently started calling me mama instead of mom, which he's called me mom for the last year. My husband gets really annoyed and says he's too old to be calling me mama, but I literally don't think

it's weird. Should I start correcting my son or just let it phase out? Is my husband gay? Please tell me. Because every, literally every submission, Claudia is like, your husband's gay. Like. Oh my God, that's so funny.

By the way, your husband is gay. Yeah, no, actually when my kids call me mama, it's like my most favorite thing in the entire world. I think it's so sweet. Obviously, my daughter is five and my son is 2 and 1 half. And my daughter is always like, I want mama, mama. And it's like, it's so sweet. And then Levi copies her.

I think your husband is maybe just jealous of the attention that your kids are giving you. And also, they can fully call him dada or papa or whatever it is. But it doesn't hit the same as mama. But also, the other thing too is, I don't know if your daughter is, or your son actually you said is four, right?

Like if he's in school or daycare, but you never also know what the kids are picking up from other kids, or if they read a book in school and the mom was called Mama and then they came. I just think the husband is looking way too much into this. And also, let your kids be expressive in the names they wanna call you. I mean, look at you, nickname queen.

You kinda just gotta let it roll. And if my son is 25 and calls me Mama, it will make me the happiest fucking person on Earth. Literally, if my son is 50 and calls me Mama, it will make me the happiest fucking person on earth. Literally, if my son is 50 and calls me mama, I absolutely love it. I think your husband is jealous of the close relationship that you guys have, and there's something so endearing about mama.

And yes, as kids get older, they start calling, mom, mom, and it's so teenager. If you can push that off as long as possible, it is so nice and so sweet, and everything with kids is a phase. And I think the issue here, there's literally zero percent issue with your four year old calling you mama. Like that's the cutest thing.

By the way, mama is much more like elevated and like articulate than like mommy. You know, mommy. No, than mom. No, mommy is cute. Mommy is cute but I'm saying like mama is like the creme de la creme. Like that's what you wanna go for, you know?

Yeah, but like mom like. I think if this Dear Toasters read, my son is four and he's calling me by my first name, or something like rude, you know, like. No, no, no, your son isn't nothing wrong, your husband is like such a jealous wench. No, your son sounds like a fucking sweet ass angel, and your husband is a jealous wench.

I completely agree. Your husband's a jealous wench, and it might be because he's gay. I'm kidding. He needs to like be silenced. This is not a thing. Yeah, no, it's very sweet. And congrats on reverting back to mama. If only we all could do it all the time.

I was going to say, congrats. Your son sounds so loving, wonderful, sweet, delicious. You're raising him right. I'm so proud of you, whoever you are. Yeah, we don't know because it's anonymous. True. Next up, this one's kind of crazy. Hey, girlies, I need help.

So my husband's brother, my brother-in-law, of course, has a girlfriend of two years. I recently found out that he cheated on her at least twice with two different girls that I know personally. My mother-in-law, whom I adore and are very close with, noticed that me and the girlfriend are not super friendly and mentioned it to my husband. My husband's family is very, very close with, noticed that me and the girlfriend are not super friendly and mentioned it to my husband. My husband's family is very, very close

and do everything together, so I do see her often. But the reason I'm keeping her at a distance is if I were to get close to her, I would feel obligated to tell her. I am never rude or mean, just not overly friendly or hanging out outside of family functions. My husband says his brother's very immature and that he has told him to just not be with her

if he's gonna cheat, but he did not listen and moved in with this girl a few days ago My mother-in-law called me and wants me to me and this girl to sit down and work out our issues help Okay I have a lot of thoughts here first of all like I understand not wanting to get close with this girl because if you're too close With her like you'll feel obligated to tell her but there definitely has to be like somewhere in the middle where it's not like there needs to be a council meeting called because the two of you aren't getting along. So I feel like maybe you're pushing her away

a little too much, but regardless of that, I think you should tell the mother-in-law why you're acting the way you are. I was just gonna say the same thing. Especially because she says in there, I'm really close with my mother-in-law. I think you just say, I'm having a really hard time because honestly, this is not a match.

She's not gonna be in our family likely. No, I'm sorry. Don't say this is not a match. You don't know that. Say, I'm having a hard time because your son has cheated on her and I know if I get close to her, I will feel compelled to tell her, what should I do?

Make it her problem. 100%, 100%. And I wonder if she knows like if her son is a cheater because like also like- Like this is not your problem. Punt the ball. Yeah, 100%. And I wonder if she knows if her son is a cheater because also moving in together. Like this is not your problem, punt the ball. Yeah, 100%. And I don't necessarily think that you're doing anything wrong.

Honestly, the way it kind of reads, it seems like you just don't like her in general. Let's be honest here. You're using this a little bit as an excuse because you could be nice enough to somebody and not be best friends and have to divulge everything. Without other people noticing. But I had the exact same thought.

If your mother-in-law wants you to sit down with her, then you need to sit down with your mother-in-law who you say you're super close to and say, this is my problem, I feel really uncomfortable because your son cheated on her. If they do wind up together down the line, maybe he tells her and they work through it, or maybe he tells her.

And none of this is in your control because FY FYI, like you're not really involved. You know? Yeah, and I would say to the mother-in-law, like if you want me to have this meeting with her, I am going to tell her. So either call off the meeting, but now you know, and you can do what you want with it, but don't keep making it an issue

because if things cut bubble to a head, I'm gonna tell her. I'm also curious to know how this girl knows. She has friends who were the people he cheated with. Ooh. Like she knows them personally. Well, that kind of makes it really messy for her a little bit, you know?

She might just know them personally. I don't know that he's hooking up with her best friends, but I know the girl you cheated with, so I know that it's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. This is simple to me. Make it the mother-in-law's problem. Agree, agree, this is simple to me.

And if she keeps wanting to force the issue, tell the girl. Like why not just tell the girl? I mean, of course you don't wanna start issues within a family, so that's why you don't go and tell the girl immediately. But like if everyone's pushing you like this, tell the girl. Yeah, and I'm also, I come from the camp of like, honesty is the best policy, you know?

It's gonna come to light in some way, shape or form. And or maybe you encourage the mother-in-law to have her son sit down with this girl and be like, FYI, I really love you, I wanna be with you, I've made some mistakes, I wanna come clean about them and move forward. Do you know what I mean? Who knows, maybe this other girl's very forgiving

and she is gonna be okay with it. I don't know her, so I don't know. But I'm just saying, it's gotta come out at some point. I don't think you necessarily wanna be the person that brings it out because you're not really involved. But yeah, because you are part of this larger family dynamic and you're being pushed to have this friendship with her, even though I kinda feel like you just don't like her

in general and you're using this as an excuse, she still deserves to know. At the end of the day, this girl deserves to know that this guy that she's living with has cheated on her multiple times. Yeah. Period, full stop. Because also like, she's probably in the prime of her life. Like she's committed to this guy, she lives with him.

Like it's absolutely not fair to her if like down the line this is gonna be like a shitty situation and like everybody around her knew. Like that's so fucking hurtful. Yeah, I could also see the mother-in-law being like, okay, don't tell her. Like, yeah,law being like, okay, don't tell her. Like, yeah, he did that, but like, don't tell her. And I don't know why I'm trying to think like.

I think then the girl should push one of her friends to like just message. Just like sort of orchestrate things so that the girl finds out. The girl should know. Yeah, well, as far as your role in this, we've given you your marching orders. Our third and final dear toasters,

a married swirly looking for advice. I've been married for two years now and cannot decide whether or not I should change my last name. I am super close with my family and proud of my last name. My husband's family is not as close. I was never welcomed into their family and just don't like them. While I want to share a last name with my husband, I do not want to be associated with his family by having the same last name as them My husband won't take my last name and neither of us want to hyphenate. What do I do? Well, we're like I feel like we're poised to answer this because like we're like sort of straddling the lines of changing names But it's never been because of not wanting to have the other family's name

So like that's kind I've never even really heard of that like where you didn't feel welcome by them and you don't like them So you're not taking their name. Like think of it more as your husband's name. Like I would kind of try and take that out because that's not, like we just hold on to our names. It's our professional name. And like honestly, it's so much paperwork. Like, I know.

And so I've changed my name like- Socially, I call it. Socially, but not legally. I have a lot to say on this. And I feel like I have a really good balance. Does this person have kids? She didn't say, but let's assume they're gonna have kids. Okay, because I agree with you.

It's not about the name being the name of the family name. It's about, is it important to you to have the same name as your kids? And I think for me, so just my story, I was planning to actually formally change my name. I like brought my passport and all the paperwork with me, like every day to work when I was in New York City,

like I was gonna find time to hit that social security office downtown in Manhattan, and then the pandemic hit. And like at the time, it was really important for my husband for us to have the same name so that on the birth certificate, we as a family had the same name, because I was pregnant with Michaela at the time, and that was the impetus for me going to change my name, but the pandemic hit and social security closed,

like you couldn't, et cetera. So here's what I do. I have never formally changed my name, like professionally, like in my corporate, like Asher, I spent, you know, 12, 15 years like building my professional brand under my name. And so thus I have kept it professionally. On my Instagram, I'm Olivia Asher Shapiro,

like with everything having to do with my kids and like paperwork for whatnot, it's Olivia Asher Shapiro. Like nobody knows that I haven't formally changed my name, but here's what I do. Now they do. My driver's license is Olivia Asher because like that is that. You can add your married name to your passport

if you send in your marriage license. So I basically have two forms of documentation. Like my passport says Olivia Asher Shapiro. So I have like a document with like, you know, all my same name as my family. And then like my passport says Olivia Asher Shapiro, so I have a document with all my same name as my family. And then my license is Olivia Asher. And I always joke that I have multiple personalities, but in my personal life, I'm like, I'm Mrs. Shapiro, Mrs. Shapiro.

And it's just easier for the kids that we all have the same last name. I never formally changed it, but in my professional life, I'm Olivia Asher. It's interesting, my Instagram is a crossover between personal and professional, so I'm Olivia Asheri Shapiro, and sometimes I get packages at my door, Olivia Asheri, and sometimes I get Olivia Asheri Shapiro,

and to be honest with you, I just never have thought about it. I just am in the same camp as you that I'm not fucking doing the paperwork. It's way too much work, and I have enough on my plate, so this is kind of the hybrid lifestyle that I live. And honestly, call me whatever the fuck you want. But I think if you have kids, and I think maybe this person doesn't have kids yet,

that was really the only, that was the intention of my husband. Oh, and by the way, with the birth certificate, when I got to the hospital, they were like, you can put whatever fucking name you want there. Like on the birth certificate, it says Olivia Oshere Shapiro. Like you could just, you could write your name as fucking rock star.

Like you can do whatever you want. So I think you just have to think about it in the context of like, what do you want your kid's name to be and then call yourself whatever the fuck you want. If you want to keep your maiden name, go for it. Like it doesn't matter. Yeah, I think that it's always best if you are gonna change your name

to do it right after you get married. I think the people who do it that way, like we automatically, like everyone has a career that they've built, but like even celebrities do it, influencers and like, I have to think like, oh, what's their maiden name? And I can remember it, but it's like, no, she's Lauren Lane now.

Yeah, yeah, 100%. So like it can- You gotta be like all in at once or like you just stick to it. Yeah, even Dana changed everything about her life, like even her name on Venmo. Like the week she got married, and like the transition has been seamless. So if you want to do it, you can.

I think that when you have kids and they have your husband's last name, because that's what they will have. Because you're not wanting to do hyphen. Yeah, and I understand not wanting to do hyphen, and I understand him not wanting to take your last name. Like we're also in that camp. Also, do you know like some people like combine the two

names together and like make a new last name? I think there's merit to that actually, except I, you know, ancestrally. Yeah, no, you know I'm a genealogy freak. It's hard to keep it in track, like track. So that's tough. It's really an imperfect, like the way that it's built right now is,

it's imperfect, like it's really not fair. I actually really love the way that we do it, which, it's imperfect. It's really not fair. I actually really love the way that we do it, which is for a lot of reasons, but the kids' middle names is our last name, and then they have obviously my husband's last, and so they get the best of both worlds, and it's their middle name, which they can use if they want or not,

but I think for us, it's also very different. Everything is situational, circumstantial, but with us, the Asher name is like the four sisters. Do you know what I mean? It was more about preserving that name than leveraging it. We're really attached to that name, just like she's attached to her family name,

so I can still relate to that. But I also think when you have kids, you'll see your husband's last name is their last name, and it might take away from your feelings towards that last name being about your husband's family, and you not wanting it for that reason. It might just have a different association. So maybe you just wait and see.

And I feel like you don't need to make a decision now. And at the end of the day, if you're struggling, just don't change your name then. Plenty of people don't need to change their name. And I feel like more and more as time goes on, like modern women are not really changing their names for a number of reasons. So it's really not that crazy.

No, I know. But the way that now, if you read this interestingly enough, well, like maybe she's like, maybe this Dear Toasters is actually because maybe she's like having a kid and she doesn't know like what last name like the family should use. You know what I mean?

Less about her. Yeah, his. It's just the way the world works. It's just the way the world works. And you can call yourself whatever you want. But your kids, if you're married, should have his last name, unfortunately. Or hyphen, like, and if you're not choosing to do that then him.

No, no hyphen. You have to choose and it's his last name. Like, if we could do it, you could do it. Totally. Totally. Claudia, we had this conversation before because she like asked Ben, she was like, no, Ben would totally be down for the kids

to have like my last name. And she like texted him or called him in the middle of the show and he was so offended. Yeah, no, absolutely not. No. No. And I'm not saying that's my favorite, but like- No, it's kind of just, it is what it is.

It is what it is and that's the way of the world and it's been that way since the dawn of time. Not saying that it's the right way and if I could go back, I might have had thoughts on the situation. But that's the situation. Agreed, agreed. It is what it is. Thank you so much Trout Skin for co-hosting with me. I'm so glad that we got to everything.

Where can everyone follow you and keep up with all things Trout? You can follow me at Olivia Oshray, getting back to the whole name thing. Yeah. You can follow me at Olivia Oshray. I share bits and bobs of my life, and my food, and my cooking, and my life. getting back to the whole name thing. You can follow me at Olivia Oshray. I share bits and bobs of my life and my food

and my cooking and my life and my whatnot, my thoughts. I have a lot of thoughts. My TV recommendations, you know me. I was up until about 1 a.m. last night watching a new show that I will share once I finish. I like to be honest about my recommendations. I don't know, what else? I mean, maybe you can catch me on the Patreon.

I'm really like a Patreon girly. Like I don't do the everyday toast as much as I, I open up to the patrons. That's my place. I like, I love, you know, I'm like the number one. I don't watch the toast every day, but I make sure to really get to almost every Patreon. Yeah, that makes sense.

I really enjoyed Claudia's birth story, by the way. Oh, so good. And then I got, see, but that's the thing. It's like, I hadn't watched it yet and I got like a million messages, like you had a V back, like what was that, you know? So people are always like, that's how I'm like, I know you're talking about me, you know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I had a V back. It was like, it's honestly, I am so proud of myself for it. I like talk about it all the time. Yeah, no, it's really, really cool. It's so wild. Things you did that.

That, and I totally agree with Claudia that a C-section is so much worse than vag. Even though my C-section was like such a completely different situation than most. We literally asked you this question months ago and you said vaginal was harder. I don't think I said that. And I think if I, I definitely didn't say that.

I don't remember, but like, I don't know why you just saying that right now was surprising to me. I said that the recovery in the C-section was different for me because my baby was only, as everybody knows, my Mikayla was three pounds and I didn't, my baby was in the NICU for a month. So like, I was able to go home and take care of myself,

like in a way that most people are not. Like you go home with your baby and you get right to it. So maybe that, did I say, I don't think I said that. I think it's in the chat so we could find it. But yeah, we'll have to, we'll fact check that one. But like also you- Fact check me, but also no one, I was watching it and like all the things she was saying,

she's like, you bitches can never. I'm like, yeah, totally. Like I'm with you. I remember it being like the whole situation was a blur for me. By the way, maybe I'm changing my mind now. No, I loved my V-back, you know? It's like, yeah.

Normally changing your mind. Anyways, we're gonna let you go. I love you so much. I love you more. I love you toasters. I'll be back on Mondaries for week four. Oh no, it's like this. Like, I know your fingers are so weird.

No, stop. Show everyone how your double jointed. It's like the craziest thing about her. Stop. And by the way, that's like one of the things that I actually hate about the fact that I like cook and film on, like I fucking hate my hands. Like I have such like small like nubs, but anyways.

Okay, so we're not doing it? If you can. So like, what do I do? If you can do your part, like this. How am I not doing that? Look at your other fingers. Oh, okay, so we're not doing it? If you can. So like, what do I do? If you can do your part, like this. How am I not doing that? Look at your other fingers. Oh, okay, I'm sorry. Yeah, you know my pinky goes like.

Okay, I think that's really a circle. Love you guys so much. Have a great weekend. It's a circle, bye.