The Toast - An Unremarkable Student: Monday, January 26th, 2026

Episode Date: January 26, 2026

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It's Jackson, Claude and neighbor show the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off, swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy Mun Dairy. Hope everybody's having a dairy that's Mun. Mun Derry's. Is your dairy mun? It's as mon as it could be for this Mund Derry's.

It's so true. Actually, I had sort of like a life-altering moment at Trader Joe's this morning. And if you saw me... Headline news, Claudia, was at Trader Joe's this morning question mark. Oh, yeah, wait. Yeah, I just needed some cheese, you know? What for? Grilled.

For a grilled cheese. Like, for grilled cheeses. Like, we eat them a lot in my home and, like, we were out of cheese. And so much so that you had to go on your way. Well, actually, I had to go to the bank. Okay. And there was a grocery store nearby. And you said, we need cheese.

That looks like a nice cheese. I know. I almost didn't see, like, the craft singles because it's like Trader Joe's. I'm very proud that you didn't buy crap singles. They didn't have it. You know, Trader Joe's, like, just has to be different. Yeah. So I got like they're organic.

It's definitely made in the same factory. I digress. Okay. So I'm walking into the trader feeling, you know, feeling fine. And I fell. No. So bad. Now, I want to say, I'm feeling like, I'm feeling like fine right now because I can sue.

Like it was so not my fault. And it wasn't this mom and pop grocery store. It was traitor. Joe's like, where are we buying a home? You know, I am so in the right. The footage will tell my story. Can you tell us the story? I didn't see it.

There was like some schmutz on the ground. It looked like somebody had stepped and smushed on like a raisin or a date or a fig. Okay. And I had no idea because I was looking straight, not at the floor. And I slipped. I literally cracked my ankle. I slipped on a fig. I slipped on a fig like structure.

I don't know what it was. And I caught myself at the vet. Like I was on the floor, but I caught myself. Like my ass didn't hit the floor. But it hurt so fucking. bad and the only thing that was carrying me through was knowing that the law was on my side and I can and will be like reaching out to an injury attorney you should I don't know and there was a man who worked there being like are you okay and I just wanted him to know like I'm fine your store

with issues I didn't just fall because I'm like a crazy person I fell because there were schmutz yeah in the parking lot or in the store in an aisle oh why did I fall in the parking lot like I don't know. Like, just when you're telling this. It's hard to fall. Like, gravel is like sturdy. I'm imagining a part of it. It was on a tile floor.

So it was already not like the best, most resistant. And oh my God, you guys, my ankle hurts so bad. Like, it's throbbing. I'm really sorry. But I hope that you get $200 million so you can finally live a life of happiness. No, I think we decided like 500's my number. Okay. But like, just be careful.

That's how you get into like toxic secession vibe. It's okay. I just feel like my roots will like keep me grounded. It's true. Like she has her family. She's close with her family. She's close with her friends. And the thing is, I'm willing to try.

Like, I show me the guinea pig. You know, it's fine. Like, I'm willing to take that risk, you know? Yeah, you're a risk taker. I've always said that. And I've always said that. I'm a huge risk taker. Looks like you'll have to learn the hard way, Cod.

Ah. You know? So if you see me like limping, that's what's happened. And then I realized Ben used my car. car. I have no gas. I had to go pump my own gas. It was like such a crazy morning. And then it pumped my own gas. And as I was like removing the nozzle from the nozzle, like a little bit of gas like dripped on my toe. Isn't that weird? And then I felt like I had this like flammable foot. Flammable foot. And like I was like scared to walk near my car. Yeah. As you should be. And so like I was being really

weird. Let me see which toe. The big one. The second one. And so I. I. I. got into the car and I'm wearing sandals. So I just like took my sandal off and like rubbed my toe on like the on the exhaust. No, on the floor mat. Yeah. And I'm fine. Like I just thought it was so crazy. Wearing open. I never thought about it before. I very rarely pump gas. It's like not my problem. You need a close toe shoe. Yeah. Like it's kind of crazy to pump gas and open toe shoes. Do they tell you that at driver's head? No. They should teach you out of pump gas at driver's ed. It's humiliating. Which is why I had to get an electric car. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You don't have these problems. No, I don't. And then one more thing. thing happened to me that I felt really like disgusting about. I was like driving, um, you know,

as one does in a car kind of mindlessly. And I was crossing a light. So the light turned green. I started driving. It was a two way street. So I guess like coming the other way was a fire truck. Okay. And he was also turning. Oh. And I didn't, I guess like let him in. And I guess there was an emergency because his lights like, I guess we're on. And he honked at me and I felt like such a low life. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you probably knew you're just a little. You just. It's an idiot. Yeah. And to be clear, like, he wasn't even fully at the light yet.

Like, he was still pulling up. Like, I really didn't get. I didn't get in his way. If I delayed his trip, it was by a quarter of a second. No, I understand. I think he was just, like, feeling self-important. I would feel awkward in that situation, too. I wouldn't know how to act.

And it's like, should I stop? But what if I'm not supposed to stop? And now I've just stopped. He wasn't. The lights were on, but there was no we-o-o-we-o. Obviously, I, like, wouldn't know about a wail. but the lights, I was just kind of in broad daylight. I don't know.

It's giving, want to make it to our brunch res. No, it's giving like we are just abusing our power. Because we have a brunch res. Thousand percent. Yeah. So it's just kind of like an embarrassing morning. Like a lot of embarrassing things. Like me with my toe, then my ankle, and then the fire truck.

It was just kind of crazy. I'm sorry. Maybe you should come straight here from now on. I feel like you tried to do the most. When we were FaceTiming this morning because we just can't stop talking. Because doing an hour and a half long show. It's not enough for us. And she said she's like,

gotta go running errands before the toast. And I thought that was kind of crazy. Yeah, I won't be doing it again. That's for sure. I think that's a good idea because we need you here in one piece. Right. Break down after the show.

I almost like broke my ankle, went up in flames, that the fire truck would have had to put out, but they would have been late. Coming to save me. Because there was a girl blogging. Because there was a girl who didn't know how to drive. Yeah.

It's kind of a tale as old as time. Yeah. Driving is so crazy. Like every day. Someone made me feel like such a square today. Okay. Because like he broke the law. But like I should have too because I was just being like a sheep following the law when there was no one around.

What was the law? No right on red? So it was no right on red because there's a train track before it. And then another light that the two lights are the same. But you shouldn't go to the next light because there's a train track. You could get stuck on the tracks at a red light. So we're both sitting at the two red lights and no cars are coming the other way. And he went like around me over.

the track. Oh, I don't think that's squareish. I think that guy's insane. Yeah, I don't mess around with the train tracks. I don't mess around with the fucking train tracks. Yeah, that's just what I need to get stuck on the tracks. Like, that guy's actually an insane daredevil. You're not a square. You're so normal. It's crazy that we drive amongst the trains. I totally agree. And I realize that they run cross country. So it's like borderline impossible to not like ever engage with a train track. But living in Manhattan, like I don't have these problems. Like we obviously have other problems. But like driving on the tracks, my heart like I literally clench and I unclench when we're over the tracks. It's insane. Like part of my journey is like at some point I have to cross the tracks,

like finding the right most optimal way to do it. There is none. So just like, like, and like around the time that we record like a big train. Well, I guess trains may just come all day. But it just feels like we're like synced up with one. Yeah. And I'm always trying to outrun it. It's kind of like your period. Like you and the trains are synced up. Yeah. Cycle sisters. I guess so. We, I watched a lot of TV over the weekend. We are going to recap traders. We're going to recap. There's a big, I don't even know like how everybody knew that this thing was happening on Saturday night, skyscraper live. I did watch the whole thing live

because I'm a loser. And I was left with so, so many thoughts that I cannot wait to share. A lot of TV to discuss today. Traders. Football last night. We have our Super Bowl team. Never in a million years could someone have predicted we'd have a Patriot Seahawks Super Bowl. Actually.

Who predicted it? You know, every year I'm going to find this for you. Like the NFL has the allegations that it was scripted. And if it was scripted this year, it was scripted by somebody who does not know entertainment. Because like I don't care about these teams whatsoever. Like there's like a little lore with like Drake May, but beyond that like, no. What's the lore that like he's like, he's just hot and she's and he is like a cute little wife. Yeah. Cute. But like most players in the NFL like have wives. Have wives who make

content and are part of their communities. But at the beginning of every season like the NFL puts like a graphic up. Hold on I have to find it. It's like a little cartoon being like race to the Super Bowl and it's, you know, all the quarterback's walking towards the trophy. NFL, let me see, I saw it this morning and like it kind of was giving scripted. Hold on. Okay. What would I look for to find this? Like NFL graphic. NFL cartoon race to the Super Bowl. Graphic Super Bowl.

Oh, God, on Twitter. I was like, I was like going to get like, I was going to get like Drake's penis. Yeah. Oh, wait, this is not it. Hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like all the quarterbacks walking. Okay.

And who are the two quarterbacks at the front? Drake and Sam Darnold May Darnold Look at them Wait Okay that's really crazy They're yeah and they're front and center Because also Ward is there

But he's not front center They couldn't have made it sell obvious Neighbors Mayfield Hunter Those are the five teams in the front That's really crazy Because I was going to say This proves that Super Bowl is not scripted Because it's boring as hell

Like where are the celebrities Yeah where's the lore It just is giving random It is giving random justice for the 49ers. It was their year. But they weren't even in the championships. It was their year. I'll just leave it at that.

It clearly wasn't their year. That's what they want you to think, the NFL scriptor. So who do you think will win? We'll take it all. It's so hard to guess when you genuinely don't care. But if it's the Seahawks versus the Patriots, like I'm a New England girl-ish. I'm from New York. So I'm going to go Patriots.

Yeah. Yeah. I know you are probably feeling conflicted because you are like a New England girl as well, but you also love Draft Day, which takes place like with the Seattle Seahawks, right? No, the Bears, the Browns, the Browns, the Browns. Really? England. Yeah.

Having Costner isn't the coach for the Seahawks? No, not even close. Wasn't there like, aren't the Seahawks involved in draft day? Perhaps there are another team with a trade to trade. Oh, okay, so never mind. So you have no ties to the Seahawks. No, I have no ties to the Seahawks. And even when I think of draft day, like I don't think.

of the Browns. Yeah, and I do love that Robert Kraft, that little, that little Bob. So sure, go go Pat. Go Pat's. Yeah. Hopefully it's a good game. We still need to finalize our plans because we don't have any. Oh, we were talking about them this morning. We were because we talked so much. We're always talking. Almost like we do it for a living. And other than that, we played a lot of Maj this weekend. We did. Lots of family time, lots of beach time, water sign things. You guys wouldn't understand. Are you having your fill of the water? Like, do you feel like your full self? Do you feel like full of water. Do you feel like your full self that you have like the water in your life? Yeah, I do actually. Like we went to the beach both days this weekend. Like what more could a water sign ask for?

Honestly. What more? Nothing, right? No. Then the beach that's like pretty much water. Yeah. And I get like I I, it's probably difficult for you to understand because you're not a water sign. Even though I know because you're not a water sign. And that's how I know like horoscopes. Sorry to who this offense. are fake and made up because Jackie's a water sign. When I tell you, like, nobody hates the water more than Jacqueline. I don't hate it. I just don't like love it. She doesn't feel connected to it like I do.

She doesn't mess with it like I do. No. I can appreciate like the majesty of the ocean. Okay, well, when Susie Weiss was on, like she was talking about the ocean. She talked about the ocean in a lot of different ways. And I think about what she said a lot, like, that the ocean is the new space. And like there's going to be a lot more sea exploration, a lot like of tech money being spent down there. But also that like it freaks her out and like she thinks it's spooky.

Whereas like I think it's the most magical. What do you make of the sea? Oh, I think it's really majestic and I think it's, it's very humbling to stand in front of the ocean. Wait, that's really beautiful. Go on. Like, it's just, no matter what's going on, like, the tides keep tiding. It's so true. You think you're so, like, big and, like.

The ocean doesn't care. It's so true. It'll chew you up and spit you out. So, Moana. Yeah. We just read a book. I don't want you to read this book because I think, like, overall, you wouldn't like it. But there are, and we just recorded redheads, which is.

why it's top of mind, but it's very much like oceanic, dystopian thriller sort of thing. And like a lot, like these are big themes in the book, the ocean. Oh, it's called the ocean? Wild, dark shores. So oceanic. You know? Yeah.

But I don't know that you should read it. Anyways, Redheads is coming out first Thursday of February. And it's one of my favorite episode. So switching up the format. Yeah, you didn't update everyone that you like kind of were like underselling saying it was going to be the worst podcast ever. We changed everything. And then I spoke to you after and you said it was like.

And you said it was like, I never said it was going to be the worst podcast ever, but I was just like saying like redheads is just it's kind of like in a transitional phase. We were at sort of a breaking point where it's like very hard to like get it done every month. And one thing that I offloaded for myself is hosting the entire episode. Now whoever chooses the book is going to be like hosting the discussion. So this was our first time doing that. Rebecca hosted it was her book. The episode was so amazing. So fresh. We all came away just being like that. Like there's new life breathed into their ed. I love that. Necessity is the mother of invention. That's beautiful. So I'm really excited for the episode to come out. Plus, this book is like everywhere. Reese's book club, everyone. Oh, it's just good to be like in the mix with the other celebrity book clubs. Yeah, especially like if we're not all reading that much. Like we need to read the buzzy ones.

So stay tuned for that. It's interesting that we have the same iPad case. But they look different. Like what happens? Yours is like such a washed up pink. It's, yeah. And also this is your iPad case because yours has a lipstick stain on it. Why do I have it?

I don't know. But this is my iPad. My charge is not charging on my iPad because it got you to your iPad instead of mine. Like my, like things are on. You know, your pass code. My past, yeah. Interesting. Very interesting.

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the Taipei one-o-one skyscraper which is this 1,667 foot tall skyscraper in taipei taiwan so he free climbed it he no harness no rope no net allegedly now oh are you i have a third are you a skyscraper truth i am a skyscraper truther I have a very hard time believing like yes this guy is the best at what he does so like if there was anyone who was going to to do it. He's done things like this before. I have a very hard time believing Netflix was going to let a man die on television. So I was just reading about this. They said it was on a 10 second delay so that if he fell that they would just cut away and you wouldn't have to watch that. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Okay. So I keep learning like different things about it. And also everyone on the planet was

watching this in the beginning. I didn't watch it because I had no idea it was happening. Because how would I know this was happening? How did anyone know this was happening? Like Cynthia Revio, I did not know this was happening. And my chat with my high school friends was like, Is anybody watching this thing on Netflix? And Margo was like, yeah, yeah, so two of the girls that were like, it's so crazy. And they were hyping it up. I was like, okay, well, I have to watch it. And then I was, it was a long thing.

Like, I think it took him like 90 minutes to watch it. And it was like a whole broadcast like packages. So as I was watching, I kept seeing people on Instagram. So I really felt like I was a part of something. You weren't part of it. I was so, like, I was having a lot of feelings about it. Like, I hate this guy. I just want to say.

Like, he has a wife and kids. And apparently he had a documentary. Yes, called Free Solo. Yeah, that like people had big. reactions to as well, but he didn't have a wife and kids at the time. So, or he might have just had a wife. No, I don't think so. And he was like, this guy's crazy, but he's free. You know, so like, whatever. Now he's doing it. And they kept talking about the fact that he had kids and like, why would someone do this? And they had these really annoying correspondence. One of the correspondence was like a free climber herself,

who like has like holds us a lot of titles in the women's free climbing. And I just kept thinking, like, how stupid this sport was. And they kept talking about the sport like it was soccer. And it's not. there's quite literally no reason to do that. And I was just getting mad. And when he got to the top, he was just so crazy, Jackie, like, he, I believe this was a very easy climb for him. So he was, like, doing little tricks and I wanted to kill him. Like, at one point he did, like, had his legs wrapped around a pole and took his hands off. Like, look on no hands. Every time he got to, like, it's, it's the structure. My palms are sweating. Yeah. Jackie, it was very, like, irritating to watch. The structure is, like, tiered. So it's, like, bigger. And then there's, like, a little

platform and it gets smaller. So every time he got to a platform, he would like look over fearlessly. Because there was people, I guess it was a huge thing in Taipei. Like everybody knew about it. People were inside the building. He's waving. And he's taking pictures with people. He is a lunatic. Like an absolute lunatic. And I just like, like, I don't want to, we should not be encouraging this type of behavior. It's so reckless. It's so stupid. I'm sorry. Like, I think the sport is dumb. If you're a part of the free climbing, like community, you're going to want to turn this off. Because I think it's incredibly stupid. It's incredibly reckless. Like for what? For what? One of the female correspondents was getting.

choked up when he made it on my girl, you need a life. Like, I just, I hated the whole thing. I hated the fact that, like, they might have been live streaming a man's death. Like, like, seriously why? Like, with all the violence and video games and TV, like, now we're live streaming death. That's why I just kind of refused to believe that it was real. And there was also, you don't know, I have no proof, but like, I don't believe that. And also, you know, he only got paid $500,000. Like, that's not a lot for that. It's not 200 million. The same spot. But you know, like, if Netflix, like, Netflix was doing this. Like, and so, if he wasn't going to do it, like some other crazy person would have.

So he was like, yeah, and he's a household name out, Alex Honnold. I never heard of him before. And like, at least let it be someone who's experienced who, like, can get it done. He has, he's never climbed a building before. He only has climbed, like, rocks, mountains, etc. I wonder if climbing a building is like nothing compared to climbing a mountain. Maybe. Also, like, the building is built the same at every, you know what to expect.

You said it was, like, repetitive. Yeah, it is. And the mountain, the majesty of God is just different in every, every turn. Yes, they had a lot of like pre-made packages about his home life. His wife is like also crazy. Like I just think she's crazy. She didn't think like any of this was weird. And then we saw like their reunion like on the top of this platform when she there was an elevator. So she took the elevator and he met her like at the 101st floor or whatever and they were like taking pictures and stuff. And I was just like these are two fucking crazy people. I just like,

I didn't think it was cute. I didn't think they were a good match. Like they're really sweaty. It was so crazy. Um. And then they also get off of it. They, Did they helicopter him? So you know how like at the Empire State Building? There's a spy. An antenna. Yeah. He went to the very top.

And it's so funny because you see it. The top of the antenna? You think the antenna is like a cell phone antenna. No, it's huge. Like 10 people could stand on it. So he went to the top. And Jackie, he's at the top of the antenna like looking over, like leaning over. He's being insane.

And it's not even flat. It's around. He's a crazy person. He then there was a harness at a rope waiting for him up there. He belayed himself. Unbellied. Belay on. He unbellayed himself down to like the hundred.

and 20th floor where there was cameras, one of the correspondents and his wife, and they were the team pictures. They were all harnessed. He did not harness himself. And I just kept thinking about like the camera crew. There was a guy on a belay following him the whole time. So like literally all the way up until he got to the antenna.

I believe they just had like a camera at the building next door, just like zoomed in on him. A fellow crazy person. Just crazy people doing crazy things. Obviously I watched it. Like I got got got because, you know, know it was like the shock value entertainment and I was shocked and I watched it but we need to stop we need to not be doing stuff like that like it was insane I do fear this will encourage more because it was

a great success he did great everyone watched it everyone's talking about it he's a star now so I think this will inspire like a new generation of crazy people and like a new genre of entertainment like free climbing lie yeah I remember I remember like uh the only a recent example and it's not even that reason that I can think of. And I think it was Netflix or Red Bull always sponsors. He's like crazy. That guy who like free jumps from the moon. Like you know what I mean? He he takes something all the way up to like not the moon, but like outer spaceish. Like he can see Earth. Yeah. And he just jumps. He lost consciousness. But then like when he's like a couple of hundred feet above, he like takes a parachute. Yeah. There's content like this all the time. They just put it on Netflix. But like,

yeah, Red Bull does things like this all the time. always thought it was crazy and strange. And I just have to believe that there is some sort of contingency plan. And I don't see other people theorizing. I feel like maybe if you know a lot about climbing, that this was so easy. And if you're not afraid of heights and you're just like climbing some metal, like, and you take out being so high up. But if it's like a ladder almost. So, you know, it's like, it's a random building. Yeah. This building like was his dream though, kind of how like Sully wanted to land on the Hudson. Like, oh, he's always been eyeing Taipei one. Yeah. This is like his, building. He's like in love with the building, you know? That's really funny. Early

that's what they said. Also, one of the commentators did say that like I kept thinking about like he is such an experienced climber. Like to him, this is like akin to walking. Right. It's second nature. I don't care. It's still like you're not going to convince me, you commentators who were insane by the way, like three of the worst people on the planet. You are not going to convince me that this is not an absolutely bonkers fucking crazy thing to do. You're just not for a father of two. I don't know. I think he knew that he could do it, like that this was like a climbable skyscraper. And the people in the streets were being so like, oh, like it was literally so dramatic. And he knew he was playing. He was literally performing for people. Yes, I don't believe that this was hard. At one point. For him. For him. At one point, like I said, each tier had like a little platform. So we got like a break like a couple of seconds in between until I catch his breath. And his shoes, because it's like a dirty building. You don't clean the outside of the building. His shoes were.

covered in grease. So he was like, I kind of got to wipe off the grease. And he used his hands. So I'm like, well, your hands are greasy now. And he didn't like wipe off his hands or anything. But did he chalk them again? He had a big thing of chalk on his belt. So like he kept reaching behind. So yeah, it's just crazy. Yeah. And everyone was watching it. I talk Kim. I makes you think she has like a Netflix deal coming up because she was at Netflix. Like this is crazy. She's definitely doing a project with Netflix. Right. That was on the show like Jim Kardashian's ago. She has like a big movie coming. On the show, they like sold a big movie to Netflix. I don't know what's happened with it, but it's supposed to be like the next bridesmaids.

Oh, okay. That'll be fun. Yeah. It was insane. Like I had a good time, of course. I just don't know like how anyone knew about it. How did the first person know about it? Well, so when I opened Netflix, it was right on the home page because it was being live streamed. And I'm happy for Netflix because I think a lot of people watched it. And as far as I know, I think there were a couple of issues in the very beginning. But as far as I know, I had a seamless streaming experience. It had to be delayed 30 minutes because it rained and the building was wet. Oh, sorry. There was also like they were on earthquake watch. They had to delay. They delayed this a couple of times. Like days? Yeah. Oh, wow. So maybe that's why you didn't hear about it. Like because it was like maybe

not going to happen. And I wound up watching Traders Saturday night. By the time I saw everyone stories, I was in bed. Yeah. Yeah. So traders. It wasn't as good as Traders. Traders is the best show ever. I can't believe. I like it so many like I've been missing out. and it's the best show ever created. And I can imagine watching a season where everyone cast isn't stupid is probably even more fun. Yeah.

But I'm having the best, like the time of my life. When this is over, we should go back and watch last season. Yeah, that's like a good thing to do the next time I like give birth. Yeah. Or we could just do it sooner than that. No, I think I'll wait until I give birth. Our next story, future in-laws, Andrea Swift and Donna Kelsey bonded at the Sundance Film Festival.

It's a Spider-Man meme because they're the same person. Right. But it was crazy that they were like so chummy. I thought that was a crazy picture. Especially, you know, the rumors were swirling that Taylor and Travis are like on the rocks. Oh, so like... This kind of disproves that. The mother-in-laws came out to like...

Because they said that they were on the rocks due to wedding planning and stuff. And the people that fight most during the wedding planning are mothers-in-laws. So these two are looking chummy. Yeah. Travis and Taylor's moms attended the Sundance Film Festival in Park City on Sunday during the outing. They were bundled up. Arm and arm. Yeah, like seriously, gal pals.

Posing for pops. When Taylor and Travis were first spotted together, like one of the reasons I knew that they might be forever is because their mothers are the same person and they love their moms and their moms are like public figures. It's seriously the spider I mean I can't tell them apart except Donna has glasses and I actually know Donna like a lot better now that she's been on traitors and like debased herself. Is she who you thought she was? No, not at all. She's like low-key shy. But was she just being shy because that was her spoiler alert. Yeah. You got yourself a traitor. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe we don't know Donna at all because she was like baking it the whole time.

But in her confession, actually, she didn't get confessions because we didn't know who the secret trader was. In hindsight, like the secret trader bit was so obvious for Donna. Well, clearly everybody got her. I didn't even guess it. Like they did secret traitors so that Donna could like be on the show in an interesting way, but not actually be on the show. Like. Correct. You know?

And like, I guess. I don't know. Like. I seriously, I don't understand why who, what, when, where, why how when it comes to the secret trader. So like they'd never had one before. But apparently they do it on the UK spinoff, which I've heard is amazing. It's literally like the New Love Island.

And I also feel like we'll get to traitors, I feel like none of the traitors or the faithfuls are like, not that they should because she was a secret traitor, putting together like who Donna was like allied with. Yes, they were, but they don't realize that she was a secret trailer. That's why they keep going back to the Donna vote. Right. Got it.

Okay. Which is fair. Yeah, that's what they should be doing. Are you ready for our next story? So yeah, the story was the two of them were spotted together. It's just strange. And like Sundance actually was like making way. waves. Or maybe it's because I'm just like,

like on Brooks Nader's close friend's story and like she was there. There was a lot of like fabulous things happening at Sundance. Whatever I think of Sundance, I think of entourage. Like everything I know about the Sundance Film Festival, I know because they go there in Entourage like two or three times. And it just seems like a fabulous event. And then of course, like Lisa Bartle is probably so busy. Yeah, I wonder what she's up to

for Sundance. For Vita. I'm not caught up. No, me either. But what were they doing at the Sundance Film Festival? Does Travis have a movie or something? And is Travis there? Is Taylor there? This picture is just like there without context. Oh, yeah.

Like, what sort of events were they attending? What's the meeting behind the trip? Right. There's really no information. Was it just like a ski weekend that happened to... But they're like in the middle, like there with the paparazzi. They're posing for a picture. They're not even like being caught together.

They are turned and smiling. So it's paparazzi. They were like at an event. Puzzling. Extremely. But also Lervis like to spend time in Utah. Yes, they do. There are a couple of key places that they like to attend.

Yeah. So maybe they're all there calling us. Right. Maybe they're there. Yeah, maybe they're there. A wedding. So maybe they're there having a wedding summit. Yeah, maybe they wanted to cancel on the vendors face to face.

Just kidding. I don't think they're on the rocks. Me neither. Are you ready? But I do think like their relationship has reached new challenges. Like any new relationship does. Mm-hmm. That's okay.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. But what could their wedding issue? you be. Well, you know it's not financial. Right. Which means like the guest list can be infinite, like the things that normal people may be guestless, yeah. No, but usually the guest list issues are because of money or venue. And if she wants to get married at holiday house, like they'll build, you know what I mean? Like the issues at normal people, it's not guest list related. It's not financial. Like all wedding issues, whether it's the guest list or the band, are because of the money.

Yeah. They do not have that issue. But like Nick, the belt's backums had so many issues and they weren't money. Right. But I think the Peltz, that's a great question. The Peltzbeckham issues were because of either, like, you know, toxic mother-in-laws, which I don't believe we have here. Like these two sweet old ladies, it ain't them. They're dispelling all toxic mother-in-law. And like really young, immature bride and groom from Brooklyn and Nicola, which I don't believe, these people are in their 30s. Like, when you get married later in life, like you do avoid. Also, Brooklyn and Nicola are spending their parents money. So they have to get approved. It has to be what the Parents want where Taylor and Travis are spending their own money.

Yeah. I've ended up on like Brit talk. Like sometimes my algorithm thinks that I'm like, I get like sometimes my algorithm thinks I'm Israeli and I get like content in Hebrew and I don't know what these people are saying. And then it's like I end up in rabbit holes and I've clearly like been on Team Victoria talk so much so that they think I'm Britain, British, excuse me. And like so much of her music, her books are going viral again. She's like trending in the like they're like we don't mess with our national treasures. They ride. So I don't know what the, I feel like America is very like toxic mother-in-law, whereas in the UK, they're like spoiled brat kids.

Like the U.S. is very, like, Harry and Megan. Yes, it's Harry and Megan. The U.S. is very like Brooklyn and Nicolacide. Set your boundaries. Yeah, therapy talk. Whereas the Brits are very much like, they back the firm. Yeah. The institution.

I find myself in the same position as Harry and Megan. And a lot of, there are a lot of. Parallow. Yeah. And I forgot that we reported that they had dinner. if that was like something we thought would be funny if it happened or if it actually happened, but they did. Yeah. They had dinner. They did have dinner. Today's also the first day where we're styling our hair by ourselves. Like I had my, I washed my hair last night. Right. Me too. And I started

fresh with our new $100,000 blowouts. Wait, I was somewhere. Tell us what happened. I figured someone was just like, I love your hair. Period. They didn't know about the $100,000 haircut. Like, I forget, it might have been, I think we got the bank. The teller was like, I love your hair. And I was like oh my god. Did you say like Chris Appleton had it? I literally pointed I said 100,000. This hair, 100,000. Is that crazy?

That's like everybody knows. You could see it. Yeah. Thanks. Are you ready for our next story? Speaking of beauty, number three. Oh yeah. Pat McGrath.

Oh, my God. Files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy auction canceled. This is really crazy. There have been whispers. I saw it on TikTok. Like I'm also like sometimes I land on beauty talk and they think I'm like, you know. A beautiful woman. What's they're right about.

That she has been very close. to filing for a while. Which is shocking because she has so many viral products, but I guess like there was a Pat McGrath era. And I feel like it's a little bit over. I don't feel like there was like a trend. Like it's been just that's a quality product and people like it, not like a flash in the pan. Well, I feel like it's very opposite of the current makeup.

It's very like Kylie. Like it's lots of colors and it's like high end Kylie. It's she's known for her shadows, which are like crazy colors, big sparkle. And that's like not what beauty people are buying right now. It's a very clean girl, which is why, like, Charlotte Tilbury is thriving. She doesn't do anything beyond the color beige. Like, it's very clean girl. So maybe that's why, or I don't know if the brand was, like, run poorly.

But it's shocking because this is such a high-end quality. Celebrity-loved makeup brand. I mean, Taylor Swift's, like, iconic red that she wears everywhere is Pat McGrath. Yeah. So Pat McGrath. I hope she buys some stock. Well, yeah. I mean, just because someone's filing for Chapter 11, like, doesn't mean it's over.

but they put out a statement saying during this process the company will continue operations in the ordinary course of business while working to restructure its balance sheet and to forge a path to thrive. You know what? I feel like the makeup industry is like so oversaturated that like I feel like we've kind of been waiting for like the domino effect for like everybody launched a brand.

Some people thrived. Some people sort of like fell into oblivion like REM Beauty. I'm waiting for them to announce. Right. That wouldn't be a surprise to me. And I agree like not everyone's going to make it. And the cream rises. And to me like Pat,

like Pat McGrath this cream? I don't know. I don't know anybody. I know you use one lipstick. It's in my purse. I don't know anyone who I don't use any Pat McGrath and I really don't know anyone who has in a while besides when and the I should. It's a really expensive brand too. So like makeup these days like if you're going to be that price, I'm trying to think of like what like hourglass, really pricey. But they have like key products that keep people coming back. The concealer being one of them. Like I don't know what sort of like.

cornerstone product everybody uses the things that were popular were like more makeup trends yes not like a foundation that you can't live without yes i understand well i feel like first of all chapter 11 like doesn't mean it's over someone could buy it someone could restructure it and like make it valuable once again like victoria beckham she's crushing it by the way i've been getting maybe because i saw you liked a video that then was sent to me like by the algorithm what was the video uh she was talking about her eyeliner's how she sold every 30 seconds one every 30 seconds one every 30 seconds. And then when you see that, it's such good marketing.

Because when you see that, I'm like, well, then I need one, even though I don't even wear eyeliner. So I have never used a Victoria Beckham makeup product. And I feel like her whole brand, and I thought this after the documentary, too, is moving from clothes to beauty. She must be, at least in the UK, at least, like really successful in beauty. I've kind of felt influence a couple of times to buy something. I might.

Where do they sell it? I bought two things. Where do they sell it? Online. Is that Sephora? I don't think so. I got a, like a cream white eyeliner, you know, like cream color. colored eyeliner and their lip balm.

Everyone has a lip bomb these days. I think the beauty is paying for the clothes. Yeah, because I don't know if the clothes are like flying off the shelves. And that's expensive to run, that that keeps everything in the green. I don't think she's interested in running strictly a beauty brand. That was like not the dream. But like this allows her and her partner for him to make money and for her to live her dream and put out pargy clothes, which the world does need.

Yeah, yeah. But I have felt compelled. Like if I'm in a store and they sell Victoria Beckham, like I might get some beauty. Yeah. I've heard the contour stick is like, it's like tiny. Oh. So it's like people love it. I have a contour stick that I love, but it's becoming increasingly harder to find.

So it might be like I just bought two because I'm scared of the day where they tell me. Well, that's what Taylor Swift's going to have to do with her red lipstick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So let's see what happens. I wanted to tell you one thing. So on Friday, after Friday's episode, Jackie and I recorded a Patreon episode, kind of like a quarterly, no, no, like an annual installment.

We do call Toast Radio. And the whole thing was like commuter edition. It's a radio show that we record on Patreon. So if you ever want to like listen to music, but also, listen to The Toast. You can listen to Toast Radio. Brilliant. We talk about our favorite songs. We do like celebrity like chit-chat, ha-ha. And one of the songs Jackie selected that she's like been listening to during her commute is

Band-Aids by Katie Perry. She's giving Katie Perry a second chance. So I listen to it on my commute this morning and it's actually very good. I'm so glad that you agree. You influence me. And I'm glad we're taking it to the main show because I know I said this on Toast Radio. Everyone's giving up on Katie Perry's new music. But it's a shame because Band-Aids is a wonderful song and it's like about her divorce. from Orlando Bloom. So it's like topical and it's beetsy. And I just feel like it's like no one's paying attention.

And then as I was listening to it, I had like kind of a radical thought about Katie Perry. I'm going to make an analogy if that's okay. I feel like Katie Perry, no so. Justin Trudeau is Katie Perry's Travis Kelsey. Like after this big long relationship, this like celebrity couple that you might think is like a rebound, I actually think her and Justin Trudeau,

if they haven't broken up already, like our end game. And like you don't think it's ever going to happen after this like long breakup. It's giving rebound. But Travis was technically a rebound. Now they're getting married. Oh, but I don't see Katie and Orlando as I saw like Joe and Taylor. Why they have a kid together?

They were together. No, no. I don't like I don't consider Joe and Taylor that much. Like I feel like they're less than. Oh, they were basically married. Like, yeah. Like I feel like Katie was like happy with Orlando. They had a kid.

They had a beautiful family like daisies, everything. I think Taylor was happy with Joe like until she wasn't. No, but it. what was being put forth was like not happiness. Well, yeah, they were always like hiding and like living in sin almost. Right. Right. Yeah.

But I do believe that they were happy. Even though like you listen to her music now, it's like, girl, are you okay? Like if anything, I feel like Travis's Taylor's Orlando. So you think Katie and Orlando are OTP? Like, do you think they'll ever find their way back to one another? I don't know. The song, like it didn't sound like it was that. Yeah, like the worst thing he did was not ask her how her day was.

Like, girl, okay. There are women out here accepting less. So like, go back. Like it didn't feel irreparable. But actually him being with that girl who dressed up as her for Halloween. Oh, why? That to me is like, never speak to me again. Unfarch.

Yeah, I forgot about that. I forgot about that unfortunate situation. But yeah, I'll hand you back your analogy. I don't feel like it's a little half page. She's rebutting my analogy. All right, well, you'll be. Keep working. You'll be eating your words when Katie Perry's walking down that Canadian aisle.

Sure. Yeah. I would like to see that. I'm not rooting against your analogy, by the way. Really? It feels like you really are. No, I just like the work is incomplete so far. You're such a teacher sometimes.

Like I actually Jackie always does say that like if she weren't doing what she was doing like she might have become a teacher. And you would be an amazing one because you're a bitch. Okay. I think I would be an amazing teacher. She's always like telling me my ideas are half baked and that I didn't do my homework and that like she's sending me to the principal's office. Which is just my office. I think I think a good principal too. There are two different types of teachers.

I think we all agree. Like teachers, everyone has a teacher. Like Miss Honey. Yes. Everybody has a Miss Honey and a Miss Trunchable. Like, yeah. You are such a trunchable. I think I'm a perfect blend of both.

No, no. Like, I know. Who's your Miss Honey? I think I have two. Miss Shinebine was my Miss Honey. And Miss Brachow, like, she was such a real one. That's really sweet. I'm obviously not going to say my Miss Trenchable because everybody listens to this

podcast. Every, all of our former teachers. Every time I talk about a teacher, like it ends up in my DM. I'm like, please don't. So you cannot say you're mistrenchable. Yeah. Even though I'm really trying to. trying to think like a teacher who like scarred you like said something so mean or like was so oh i know

sorry i literally was talking about her the other day oh bitch yeah who was your miss honey no one comes to mind oh maybe that's why you are a trunchable but i don't have a trunchable either maybe every trunchable never had a honey and that's how they ended up a honey but i matilda is it like an eternal movie i like imprinted teachers on me good or bad good or bad i guess that's good yeah like they were just like you were just like doing they were you were doing their they were like I wasn't like a student that like was stood out for better or for worse oh I definitely was you know what I mean for better and for worse I'm trying to think yeah no okay mr. Levine was your was your miss honey yeah I'm very unremarkable Jackie the tonnet do not don't say that's so much

Facebook she's on remarkable Yeah. Okay then. Sorry I asked. So sorry I asked. I hope you feel good. I do. Actually never wrote better.

Okay. Funny stuff. You're not unremarkable. I mean, you couldn't be unremarkable if you tried. Like when you were like the only redhead in your grade, like please. A part of this like all-star family. It's true. You couldn't have been unremarkable.

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Brewing. Blossoming in the Bravo universe. Have you seen this? Carl Radke and Vanita from Southern. Charm are rumored to be dating well they've been talking about it so they went on a date a few weeks ago and i think she shared that it was like an hours long date very good stuff and then she was on watch what happens live saying that she's been going out on a few dates with carl they're getting to know each other and then on instagram it seems as though they both traveled to london like together taking a couple

trips so they're like dating i don't know if their boyfriend girlfriend yet but like they are seeing each other it's giving page and crag it is giving you know is this the new page and Craig. The new page and Craig. I do you feel like Summerhouse like does sort of need like new something and you know with page leaving and it was kind of like and now Kyle and Amanda is divorce like will help ratings. So anything to help. Yeah. Um, these preexisting because there's quite literally no reason Carl is on this show. He really has not provided much since his breakup with Lindsay. I think it's probably better for him to not be on the show. I think he would probably have like he's just like he's just sort of elevated beyond it. He's sober. I feel like he's doing really well in

his life. I don't know what purpose the show serves him besides financial. And he's now in so deep with his bar. That's, by the way, a serious purpose. Of course. So I do think he kind of needs things to keep him in the mix a little bit because he does feel sort of like an outsider now with like these younger castmates coming in like Wes and Jesse. So this is great if she's going to be on Summerhouse. She's great on Southern Charm. I think like I think this is good for both of them. Like I'm thinking of this. Oh, yeah. But in terms of like a personality sense, I could see why they would but I don't know if like it could go the distance. And also like then again,

it's the same page in Craig situation. Who's moving? Yeah. I think the difference is that like, I don't know. I feel like Vanita would obviously move. Like Carl is like such a storied. Even though she has more of a few,

she has more of a future on Southern Charm than he does on Summer House. Yeah. And like, I don't know. She like has her house and her thing. She's like very Charleston. I feel like. Yeah.

And she's like settled. Sort of. Yeah. I feel like he's a little more transient. Yeah, except soft bar. Like he's got $900,000 do in rent. That's true. So like these are big conversations.

I'm not to put too much pressure, but it's like, you know. Yeah. It could become an issue down the line. I have, I am not caught up on Southern Charm. I've seen people, the Southern Term community, like being like, where are the recaps? Oh, the, the SC. I'm going to catch up.

I'm behind on SC, Southern Charm and Real Housewives of Beverly Hills because I've been watching like traders and tell me lies and there's only so many hours in a day. I feel like the stream. It's like kind of like a streaming moment. Yeah. And I just like got behind on Southern Charm, but like I will, I will. I will find the time to get back to it because you know that's my comfort show.

Yeah. And like Zach carried on without me. Like it's the whole thing. Zach's when your husband's watching Southern Chargagena. Yeah. Yeah. Like we usually watch together because it's a show that we both like and I don't know when he was he's like want to watch the new

episode. I'm like new episode. Oh wow. Not being up behind your back. Right. Not very supportive. Not supportive. So then it's like oh well we can't watch together because we're not, you know.

So everything's just a mess. And like he doesn't want to watch the old episodes again and like you don't want to be. I don't want to jump. I got to get to know Charlie. what's going on with Sally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'll try and pick it back up soon. But anyways, I think this is a cute couple

and good for content, if nothing else. Right, good for BravoCon. It'll be fun if it's just for a moment. Neither of them are filming right now. So, like, maybe just wait. Yeah. Wait a couple months. Yeah, so you don't like break up

before you even get a chance to film and like to get it. Yeah. And I feel like they're telling us about it like a little early on. Which is never a good sign. But fingers crossed. Yeah.

And they both seem like they want like a serious relationship. So if their intentions are both the same, then I think that's a good place to start. That's very true. Our fifth and final story leading into TV recap, Traitors. Alan Cumming. Oh, please. Is this about their statement?

Oh, no. Okay. This is about, he gave an interview to awards radar. Uh-huh. Talking about the banquet. Yeah, he said a lot of things about the show. Some like inside baseball that's really interesting and like that they don't live at the castle. They live in a courtyard, Marriott.

Oh, that we already knew. But no, he talked about like the round tables, how they play. play like spooky music for five minutes at the roundtable before Alan comes in. They like make the environment like very tense. She said like for a while like no one like speaks because we see that on the show. It's like who's going to who's going to throw it out there. But then it gets like so heated. Yeah. How it's really like a psychological torture experiment.

The fun thing about Ellen coming is obviously him being really famous and like being the host. But I do feel like he loves his job. Like he's so caught up on the drama. I feel like and I don't know why this is coming as an example to me. But like like Ariana Maddox on Love Island. I feel like she's like no idea what's going on in the house. she just like comes, does her twirls and leaves. I feel like Alan is like obsessed.

I feel like he's like a fan of everyone. I feel like he loves his job. Yeah, I think he does too. Yeah. Marder. He was asked what's the greatest moment, TV moment in history, and he said, I think it's going to come in season four of the Traders. There's something that happens that is just so insane and so they go nuts.

And there's some behavior that happens because of that. It's just outlandish. So I honestly, it's certainly the best moment of Traders TV history. So we know that the banquet is next week. And he says it when you hear the word banquet, run. It will probably be, I don't know if it's going to be this episode. He said which episode it is. I think he said seven.

I don't know if that's last. I think we're on seven. Yeah. Really? Okay. So next episode is three to one. They released three episodes, two episodes, then one. Okay.

That would make this the seventh. Well, I hope so. Me too. The trailer looked good, but it always looks good. So him saying this, obviously, like, I don't know if he's just hyping it up, but it does sound like something really crazy happens when they all sit down at that banquet. This most reason episode, was so good. I'm obsessed with the concept of this show. And I feel like you really can never predict

who is going to end up doing well because I feel like I remember saying at the beginning, like Candace Dillard was out like such a bad choice for a traitor. She's fucking crushing it. Like I do understand why nobody has guessed her. And like what I had said was that Lisa was such a good traitor and Candace is not going to be a good one. It's the total opposite. I'm shocked at how not only bad of a traitor Lisa is, how bad she is at confrontation. And she should be. counting her, her stars, like, that the internet, like, Colton thought he was

going to come on this show and, like, undo a lot of the poor image issues he had. And it's just having such a bad effect. I don't think he should have done it. It's having the opposite effect. It's just, and he's being so creepy and weird. And it's like, well, you're accused of being creepy and you are creepy. So, like, creepy's going to creep. And so Lisa's sort of, like, winning just

because of goodwill. Like, everyone hates Colton. But in terms of the show, like, Colton is crushing Lisa. she's so bad when she's being accused. She just like, at Lisa fucking rid. Nobody cares. Like, that's not a rebuttal. What she was trying to say is that. She's more than a housewife.

No, not even like, I'm more than anyone could say that. But it's like she's not necessarily cast on the show because she was on housewives. Right. She actually hasn't been on housewives for a couple of years. Right. Like she has 36 years of experience in the business. She's an actress. She could have been on the show as an actress.

So she doesn't automatically just go into the housewife box. Sure. I mean, it was like a great, you know, it was a sleigh for the internet. But I don't think Coles. is buying it. I mean, if he was, like, suspicious of her, her reactions have just sort of confirmed for him. And nobody cares that he's playing well now because we hate him. And he was being really creepy this episode, even more. Like, you can, he had this, like, just sort of manic twinkle in his eye when he was, like, onto Lisa, like, that of a crazy person. And so you can see how

he did stalk and harass someone because he's kind of good at it. Like, I'm going to hold Lisa hostage. And he, like, has this, like, very zeroed in. Insane, like, insane, like, I've never seen him so excited. Like, it's creepy. So Lisa's just winning popular opinion because she's up against the villain. Online, you mean. Yeah. And she's not getting properly criticized for being a horrific traitor.

Her time is limited. Yeah, it is. I thought Rob is playing an amazing game. Okay, so when he turned around and said Lisa, like, he got very lucky that Lisa didn't end up getting home, getting sent home. Because while they are a team, they're also playing for themselves. So he did, he has to protect the traders. but he also has. So I understand why he did what he did. And it was a very human moment for Ron.

And I was just so glad. Like everyone's pissing me off. You said it. You were like the eight of them were deciding to go in on Colton and not get swayed because Colton always swing. The whole thing Johnny said, like he always comes to the table and he sways everyone. We have to get rid of him because he's not making. He's a swayer. He does make good choices and he's leading us poorly. He's the leader, but he's leading us poorly. And we all get wrapped up in Colton. So they had eight people who were going to vote for Colton. and literally at the roundtable, two of them got swayed by Colton, the reason why they were going to vote for him to begin with and didn't vote for him. Now, I don't necessarily want Colton to go home because I think he's good for the show

and he is on to Lisa. The traders can't send him home now because. It's so obvious. Yeah, and I feel like they have yet to name someone where like when they say it, it's like, aha. Like, you know, but when he said Lisa, like now everyone like looking back at her gameplay so far, like, it's so obvious. It's sunglasses.

is. No, but like the fact that she's this huge person, and yes, her rebuttal of like, what do you want me to dance on a table? Like, I'm not a housewife all the time. But she does have a huge personality. If anybody has watched her shows, they know that like she's a big mouth. And that's Candace too. And Candace is really leaning into that. And it's very, it's working for her. Yeah. And Candice is like, you know, has a lot of camaraderie with the faithfuls. Like the fact that Tara and Johnny are like it's going to trust her. Like, yeah. Well, also like the roundtable was so frustrating because when we're we're looking back, you know, Tiffany is very much Colton's doing. And I guess Portia is Ron's doing. And Ron's like, but you also got Michael kicked out. And I know it doesn't count because we don't

like Michael, but you did. And it was like, thank you for fun. Like everyone in this group is so easily brainwashed that like it actually, it really is like a sociological experiment on how people who are even like really smart and like tough otherwise, a group think is so real. Because like, yeah, like Michael said something that we didn't like. And it's like, well, you did falsely accuse him of being a traitor. And like, yeah, you kind of got lucky that he said that. But you still, like, that's still a knock in your column. Yeah.

And Ron's like, but that doesn't count because we don't like Michael. And guess Ron, stand up for yourself. Yeah. And he almost turned that table. It was actually, when I was watching me and I'm like, it's very tense. I had no idea who was going on. If Colton were able to turn that table for Lisa, that would have actually been masterful. And he would have been vindicated for everything.

And he was so close to doing it. Because when they sat down, it was either Ron or Colton going home. He had the eight votes. They were going to send him home. So the fact that he, like, got that close. He is good at this game. If he didn't have issues, like, in his personal life that the audience didn't like, like, he would be really goaded so far in how he's playing the game.

Well, now I kind of worry for Candace. Because Candice has kind of been resting on Ron, right? She's like, I've said Ron for the beginning. So she hasn't had to make any hard decisions because Ron is still there. Now Ron is out. Lisa's name is being thrown around. But you don't vote for a housewife. so she can easily go with that.

That's so true, which is such a dumb rule. Yeah, because it's like... It's not about... What if you really think the housewife is a traitor? You're not going to vote for them because they're a housewife? Michael Rappaport went on Radio Andy, and he said there's so much that hasn't been shown. There was apparently a huge, like, insane, like, housewives level blow up

between Caroline Stanberry and Durinda. And also, Ron and Durinda, both of which... They say that Durinda's getting this, like, protective edit. Michael Rappaport said that the first... between Caroline and Derinda really had nothing to do with traitors and that might be why it didn't make air. But during the roundtable between Durinda and Ron, it did like weirdly get heated when he was like, I'm my family. And it was like, that's kind of weird. And he was responding to comments being like, there is so much lower there that like nobody knows. Yeah. I would love to

know what happened. And there is a trader's reunion. So I do think a lot of these questions will get answered because it seems like a lot of people are fighting about things like that have nothing to do with the traders. Yeah. So I'm curious. Well, it is a lot of person. personalities in one house. Yeah. Like, that's what they're used to doing is fighting. Yeah, I guess like Derinda, and I didn't watch last season, but she was like the first person sent home last season.

So people were really excited about her potential for being on the show. And, you know, just because the gameplay, like she got sent home. So it was like, I don't ride for Dorinda, like, at all. I did not like her as a housewife. I think she, like, goes, like, really low and says, like, kind of the most evil shit you can say to someone. And she's like, oh, I'm Derinda. I'm like, okay.

So I could see her, like, saying really mean things to Ron, who's like, just kind of like, like weak. Yeah. You know? He like doesn't defend himself well. And now he's... Well, he doesn't. The roundtables.

Well, he did. He had a great roundtable. He doesn't have a lot of allies. He doesn't really care to make them. He's just playing the game. And if he were a traitor, he'd be the world's worst traitor because he's not even trying to like be with the faithful. So they're just like so surface level.

I would love to watch the show played by people who are very smart and very good at gameplay. Unfortunately, they eliminated all the gamers. That's sort of the core issue with traders is that it's designed to, to get rid of people who would be playing the game best. Well, first, they just got rid of people who they know play good games. They got rid of the Rob and the Survivor people just because they know them to be smart. They didn't even do anything yet.

Right. So it would be good to, like when they do traders, regulars, it will be good because people don't have preconceived notions about each other, only keeping like the dumbdums around. That's very true. That's very much like survivor, regular survivor. Because those survivors people are regular people who won survive. Yeah. Who are just like good at gaming. but they're getting eliminated because of that.

They didn't even start to game yet. Yeah, I feel like not enough. Like, they're always, like, they target Colton. They target people because they're kind of leaders. Like, people, like. And I feel like no one is targeted Natalie yet. And she's not a traitor, but I feel like she's the exact type of person that this group would come after because she's always steering people the wrong way.

Yeah. And also, they need to understand. And maybe in the past seasons it hasn't been this way. And they're just going off of what people did last season because, again, like, not the brightest bunch. But, like, if someone is putting themselves out, and like taking shots and putting a target on their back, it's likely that they're not a traitor because that's so obvious that then they're going to be going next.

Well, in this particular group, too, like they're just sort of hunting people who speak up. Right. Which is such a bad method because like, okay, so what are we supposed to do? Yeah. Like really, you have to look at people who aren't speaking up who would otherwise be speaking up, likely Serena. And the Porsche thing is so crazy that people think Ron was a traitor because, yes, he did bring it up. But then at the roundtable, she flubbed her words again.

And that's really what turned a lot of people. So it was like, yes, Ron's provided these. evidence that did happen he was just doing what he was supposed to do but a lot of people said Porsche and voted for her because at that exact roundtable she said we killed like she messed up again but they but we did kill Ian because they put coffins in his grave and then the trader sent him home like it was group effort yeah yeah it's just like it wasn't all Ron I agree and it's like Porsche was way more popular than Ron right so how could he have gotten her sent home when she had so much goodwill. I just feel like no one was on to Lisa, so she got kind of lazy. And like the second

there was any sort of heat on her, she just like sucks. Like she's being so kind of, it's like painful to watch. Yeah. She's just making that same Lisa right and face like. And it's just not compelling. Like, and you know what? She should have taken that Colton deal. But what can she, what can someone do once the suspicions on them really? Unless she could have told everyone at the round table like, you know, Colton is here for. for himself and he tried to make a deal with me. He thinks I'm a traitor, but I'm not. Except that really just confirms to people that Colton is not a traitor.

Yeah. Because I wonder, like, why wouldn't she tell everyone? That makes Colton look so bad. And it makes her look like a team player. Like, look, he's trying to just save himself. But then I guess it pretty much confirms that, like, in backdoor rooms, he's not a traitor. But sometimes they need to eliminate people who they know what faithfuls who are distracting to the game.

Right. Who keep bringing up names and their sniffer is off. And if this person is very compelling that we're going to listen to them all the time and they keep giving us the wrong name, then they are getting in the way of the game. Just can't stand, Colton. Oh, and then like traders put out this statement on their social media. Very Love Island USA. Very Love Island USA. Except Love Island USA was like kind of like responsible for a lot of the.

Yeah. U.S. So they put out this like black and white statement. Just like about bullying. Who is who is like being bullied? I believe Colton. Like this was the first week that like sort of like, you know, Demi from his season has been making a lot of TikToks. Like if you watch The Bachelor and I feel like so few people now like who are in reality or we're watching reality back then.

So not a lot of people know. I feel like a lot of people at the roundtables and stuff do not know that Colton has this like sorted past. So this week was like the first time he like was acting really creepy and people are like, well, if you want to know his lore about being creepy. So they posted the statement. We are committed to making our cast feel safe, respected and supported on screen and off. if the traitors are real people and what happens in the game should never lead to cyberbullying or harassment. There's a difference between discussing a show and targeting individuals.

So let's not ruin the passion for this show with a more into negativity and personal attacks. We appreciate your support. And I have to assume that means is regarded to Colton, right? Yeah. I don't really know who else is getting heat. Michael Rappaport was. They didn't write that statement when New York Magazine said,

is Michael Rappaport ruining traitors. Those things are always so full of shit to me. It's so like performative, transparent. And it's like, well, if you really. cared about bullying and harassment, you wouldn't have cast a harasser. Right. So I don't know what they could. I've been seeing a lot that like the edit, like the way the show is manipulated in so many

ways is crazy. When they're filming the show, they're incredibly manipulated. They like, they do so, they film so many things so many times. One, to keep the scent off of people, but like they are literally in like this crazy experiment. Yeah. Even playing spooky music before Allen comes out. Like they're manipulating the cast.

Then they manipulate the edit to make it look like other things. And then like we are just like piecing. together stuff. So I feel like they're most interested in like high entertainment value, not like protecting people's mental health in a show that's literally like a stamp. A psychological experiment. Yeah. You know, I hate when shows do this. Like, these are the same thing to Love Island. They're fucking with these people so bad. They're keeping people on who are mentally unstable. They're letting like Instagram drama penetrate. They literally kicked out Sierra for like an old Instagram post. They like, they feed into a lot of

that internet drama. And then they're like, stop bullying. No, and like they're, they keep people on. and they manipulate things to keep people on who are having a hard time in acting crazy because they want the crazy and then we're like, that person's crazy and they're like, don't call them crazy. And it's like, well, you left the crazy person on and you cast them in the first place. And you're making them crazy. Yeah. No, totally.

I hate when shows do that. Just like be the show that you said you are. Like if you really care about the show, like implement changes to protect, but you don't actually care. So like, stop yelling at us. Right. We're just watching your show. We're reacting to what you put out.

Right. Right. In a crazy way. Right. And by that, I didn't bully or harass anyone. No. And like, if we're going to start accusing people of harassing, let's just start with the man who has a restraining order against his ex-girlfriend. Like, please.

It's crazy that she never talks about it. She must be fucking traumatized. Like, everybody talks about, like, the car. The tracker. The tracker, which in and of itself is a crazy thing to do to your ex-girlfriend. Like, you put a tracker on her vehicle. But he was, like, textually assaulting, like, all of her family members. Like, it was, like, this thing, this really traumatic thing.

her and her family went through. She removed herself from public life after that. And, like, literally is married. Like, nobody knows anything. She, her sister's famous now. Like, she does not mess with him. It must have been the most traumatizing thing. Oh, and all the while he's, like, coming out as gay.

It must have been the most confusing, weird thing. So, yeah, she was, like, quite literally never seen again. Yeah. It must have been worse than we even imagined. Like, but the fact that she doesn't, like, chime in now, like, you know, with Anyone else would be like with a shady Instagram like No, she wants no part of this

That's by how you know he's like really scary and crazy Yeah So yeah please save the Who do you think Lisa Rinda will kill with her brooch I saw a good theory I feel like theory But it's not a spoiler It's like they don't know anything

Durinda because one Durinda's like sort of the backup that Colton has And being like Lisa Rina's not usually like this Yes And I feel like she could easily get Derinda To touch her brooch be like oh my God Feel my brooch Yes but how would they

just like who could they blame that on being like who would want to kill derinda right now besides rana she was beefing with ron but ron's gone yeah it could just be like a traceless killing like if she killed eric yeah yeah maybe because why would a housewife it's not traceless why would a housewife maybe they look like they're framing derinda framing lisa yeah it's not a perfect theory but she really needs to get rid of someone it can't be colton it could be Colton because if say she was a faithful and they get rid of Colton well a faithful wouldn't get rid a traitor wouldn't get rid of Colton because he's so good at like missing the mark but it would be a great way to then put to frame Lisa Rina and then

she could say I'm being framed yeah which is a and then at least she like gets rid of Colton yeah which is like before he successfully takes her down which he's about or he gets a shield because he said I'll get a shield every time you won't be able to kill me but if they don't kill him now they're never going to kill him because we'll always lead back to Lisa Rina. Yeah. And I feel like not killing him is confirmation that it's Lisa Rina. That is true. Like no one's really thinking two steps ahead.

Yeah. And it's not even about thinking two steps ahead. It's about like just being able to successfully argue your point and like make them believe that of course they wouldn't they're going to kill Colton to now you guys will all target me. Like you could really like manipulate them. You could spin it either way. Yeah, because if everybody thinks Lisa's a traitor and she's not, the traitors would kill Colton because it makes Lisa looks like the traitor. So she could say that too.

Yeah, it's just about being a good arguer and a good verbal manipulator of which Lisa is like not. Yeah. And Colton is. Right. Ron is. They got to get rid of Colton. Ron was.

Yeah. Rob and Candace are doing great. I feel like that has a traitor for one. I don't know. I feel like it's really hard. I would love to see it because none of the faithfuls who are still there unless Colton wins and it would be well earned aside from his reasons we don't like him. would have earned that win. No one, everyone else is just coasting by Mark Ballas, what he should win.

I feel like Mark Ballas, like, I feel like he's a big personality and he might be getting like cut out because where is he? But like, you know, who's giving quite literally nothing? Mora. Yeah. She's been like wholly disappointing, except that like her and Rob have to run away together. Well, I feel like if they fall in love and then he's a traitor, like it might make for interesting TV down the line. I love that. But so far she's not giving much. But I'll hold out hope for her because she has a big personality. But like Tara and Johnny and Jamjan and Stephen Coletti, even though he seems like a of guy. That was nice, yeah. I don't want to see one of them win. They didn't earn anything. Agreed. They're just like being group think followers who were just the last man standing. Yeah. Yeah. And Mark Ballas, I'll put him in that category too. Yeah. Even Natalie a little bit.

Yes, Natalie. That was a crazy outfit she was wearing. And also Christine. Kristen, yeah. Like she's smart. I just get the vibe that she's like a smart person and she's just not being smart. Yeah. It's group thing. She's just getting swayed by the group majority rules. She's just another number. And I don't want to see one of those people win because it's not earned. They're not taking risks. And they're not, like, critically thinking. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's your Traders recap. That was your show.

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