The Toast - Anon Pls with DeuxMoi, Wednesday, December 7th, 2022

Episode Date: December 7, 2022

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Good morning, Millennials. Welcome back to The Toast. Happy Wednesday. Happy Hump Day. I'm so sad that Claudia is not here to remind you to hump someone you love, but in her stead, we have such an exciting guest co-host that I know the Toasters are truly going to plots over. So please help me in welcoming Dumois to the toast. Hi, thank you for having me. I'm so happy to be here. Thank you so much. I am so excited that you're on the toast. I know the toasters are going to be so excited. You've never been on before, but we are such fans of yours, obviously, and I'm so excited to get your take on pop culture. You just wrote a book called Anon, Please, which I've been reading.

And it's so good. It's just like one of those books that's like girly girl in New York City. But it's also pretty much your story, correct? Yeah, like a lot of it was based. Hold on one sec. Sorry. Excuse me. A lot of it was based on things that actually have happened to me.

And I would say like 80% of the characters are inspired by real people, either celebrities or real people in my life. Right. And I think a lot of the fun of the book is trying to figure out which celebrity in the book, like who they are in real life. But I've kind of realized I feel like they're kind of a conglomerate of people like composite characters so I yes some are yeah some are um a combination of people but some are like straight up inspired by just like one person I

feel like there's some that are obvious and then there's some that like you kind of have to figure out. Yeah. But yeah. So I don't know how much I'm allowed to say. Like legal would like, you know, drill me. Right. Like you have to change this. You have to change that. I'm like, why? It's fiction.

Right. Were there instances where you wanted to use real names but you just could not? wanted to use real names but you just could not I think for the characters that had like big storylines I knew we had to change the name yeah but they're they're all based on actual celebrities so and the things that you've read and saw and heard over the years yeah and things that like my account has posted or like I've been involved in or you know what was going on behind the scenes when like this story broke right stuff like that so so cool well I'm enjoying it immensely and we'll get to more book talk a little later in the show so we're gonna do the fast five together I don't think I could have a more expert opinion here on the stories of the day. But I also, there's this conspiracy going around

that Claudia is Dumois. She did an April Fool's joke about it, which was so funny. And I actually feel like this episode is feeding that conspiracy because like, why couldn't Claudia be here? Yeah, she's not here. She's not here. No one has ever heard Claudia and Dumois

on the same podcast or seen them in the same room so I just feel like this episode might lead people to believe even more than ever that Claudia is Dumois okay well I mean I'm not as funny as Claudia which like kind of is giving me like anxiety because she's so fucking funny so funny I know I like I see the clips. I mean, I used to listen to you guys when it was the breath. Good times. Good times. Yeah. So she's just so funny. So hopefully I'll be able to live up to that standard. I think you're going to be amazing. Claudia, I miss you in studio. I hope you're doing well today. I actually wonder like who do most people think you are? Like, what's the biggest theory about who you are?

There was a time, this is so random, but people were convinced I was that girl from NYC Prep. Remember that show? Yes. Oh, my God. That's a really good guess. Yeah. They were, like, convinced I was Jesse. Then, you know, some people did think I was Claudia to which I just said, like,

you can't run like two big accounts at the same time. No, no. But people really thought that like Claudia was doing both or I forget who else they thought someone else with a big platform. And I was like, you can't do both at the same time. It's like virtually impossible. It's so true. I feel like that's one of the biggest things I got from reading your book. It's like how much time, like and how much it just like sucks you into this vortex. How much you need to be on your phone.

And in order to do the job, you know, do you ever feel like you're just like on? I'm sure by now you've maintained a really good balance. But I'm sure at the beginning it was just like your whole world like on I'm sure by now you've maintained a really good balance but I'm sure at the beginning it was just like your whole world is on your phone and like people are wanting to hear from you and so if you spend a few hours doing something else it's like you got to get back to the phone that is so true like you nailed it and I still do feel that way if I'm like away from my phone for like a couple hours like let's say I'm like at a dinner or like in a movie like I start getting anxiety like as time's ticking because I'm like what's going on on my phone right like

what's going on um but yeah in the beginning it was like really bad like I couldn't leave my phone anywhere if I was at like a family dinner I'd be like looking at it under the table like seeing if I was getting any like hot tips right and then you also you must have like anxiety too about wanting to check your phone when you're at a restaurant or something but then not wanting anyone to see it because you want to maintain this anonymity right so like that moment when I step in the uber like at the end of a night is like such a moment of relief because I'm alone in the uber no one's around me looking over my shoulder and I could check like what's been going on like for the past couple hours.

But yeah, I still get that feeling. I don't think it's ever going to go away. I think it's almost like a rush a little bit too. Oh, for sure. Yeah. So I don't mind it, but I have been trying to spend less time on my phone because like in the beginning

and that's like when the book takes place, I was literally on like probably I don't even know 12 hours a day maybe more I was gonna ask what is your screen time when you get your weekly update yeah I haven't looked at a while I think it's a lot less now because I'm trying to like be better yeah and plus I have like other responsibilities that have to do with the brand but aren't on Instagram. So like recording like today, like, you know, like I'm not going to be able to check my phone for the next hour. Like who knows what's going to happen? Like what's breaking right now?

That Arielle Charnas story. We're going to talk about it in the fast side. I wasn't sure right now, the business insider story hasn't come out and you're kind of the only source that has spoken about it yet. So I just want to know like what you've heard because you're here today which is so fortuitous so we'll get into that uh in the stories but I guess while we're recording yeah that's might be the thing that breaks who knows yeah you'll know better than me more information yeah so I'm so excited that you're here today. And I guess without further do-do-do-do-do, let's get into the Fast Five stories that you, without further do-do-do-do-do-do-moi, here are the Fast Five stories that you all need to know this morning. all need to know this morning and Dumas is going to tell us like the real behind the scenes shit that's going on with some of the people that we talk about every single day so I am so excited I have a question for you before we get into the stories do you ever get tired of talking about

pop culture yes and do you feel like yes because you're a pop culture expert and curator that like that's people's go-to conversation topic with you and you're just like I'm off the clock um sometimes it depends like who I'm with like honestly my family does not give a shit like they could care less um certain friends are into it and certain friends don't care so it depends like who I'm with but yeah I get tired of talking about it and I get tired of talking about the same people. And like, to be honest, like, I don't know if this is going to shock people. I probably shouldn't say this, but like, I really don't care.

Like, that's not my favorite part of my platform. My favorite part of my platform is the people. Like the followers. Yeah. Like the audience and interacting with the people and like things that have nothing to do with pop culture is my favorite part so like I totally agree with you and I feel like we're in a similar boat where it's like the business so much about pop culture and that's how things like started but now the things that like bring you joy are some of the

things that have come from that initial interest in pop culture. Exactly. Exactly. And I don't think I'm an expert. Like, I don't know shit. Like, there's people out there that know everything. Yeah. You know, I'm just, like, doing my best, like, trying to, like, filter the information and get people the information they want. But I think you are providing those people who know everything,

like, you're one of their main sources to know everything and catalog it in their minds. So yeah. Yeah. I think they get excited and they're happy like when they tell me something and then I post it. Like I'm talking about the pop culture people who are on like Reddit and Tumblr and Twitter. Like, oh, yeah, they know the information and I'm not telling them anything new, but

they just like to see it like, I guess, posted, which I'm happy to provide. I'm happy to provide that service. Right. And a lot about a lot of the stuff in your book is about like how you verify tips and what kind of tips you will post and won't post. And I imagine that's one of the hardest lines that you walk in your job. So what is your policy really when you get a tip that could be true could be false I mean if it's anything litigious automatically I will not post it because I'm not like looking to get like a cease and desist or like you know get entangled in any like litigious situations with celebrities so that automatically I won't post anything about somebody's sexual orientation unless they talk about it themselves. I won't post if it's not known. And I do get a lot of that. And then, you know, I try not to

post anything about anyone under the age of 18. That's a good policy. You know, everybody's asking about Jenna Ortega. I think she's 20, but still she's like still like at that age. That's like pretty young. I don't feel like, you know, a gossip Instagram account is probably like the best place for somebody that young to be, you know, talked about. Yeah. So I try to like keep that in mind, like young people's mental health. But it's hard because like the show's so popular every day everybody's like who's jenna ortega dating like i want to hear more about jenna ortega and it's like nothing bad but i just feel like it's probably best to just like let the young people deal with the issues they're already dealing with besides being talked about on instagram so yeah i feel

like you have such a good pulse on like who's coming up. Like if the celebrities were like the stock market, like whose stock is rising, who's falling based on like what people are looking to you on information for and also like what tips are coming in. I feel like there are certain celebrities you get so many tips about and you're like, wow, people love this person. Yeah, for sure. I mean, Jenna Ortega is like one of them. I actually named her as someone who like I would want to play the main character in my book. That was one of my questions. Yeah, because and I thought this before Wednesday. I thought it from her performance in You. I really liked her performance in You. So I was like, she'd be perfect to play Cricket. That's the main character in the book. But I don't know if that's going to happen.

And for your listeners who don't know, the book has been purchased by HBO Max. Yeah. And it's going to be a one hour drama series. Oh, wow. I didn't realize it was going to be one hour series. I so. Oh, so it's like a whole show. Yes. Yeah. Oh, my God. That's so exciting. Has there been any casting developments that you can share? No casting developments right now. They're trying to sign on a writer and the writer that they're speaking to, I don't know if it's official yet, is so exciting. So if that becomes official and I can announce it, it's like going to be really cool. So I think they need to like sign on the writer.

They have the producer sign on the writer and then I guess they'll start like casting and talking about like the story. I don't know if they're going to change the book a lot. I don't know like what their plans are. But is it so crazy that a few years ago, like you would be telling that story about like a different show, like what writer signed on and who's in talks for casting. And now like you're doing that about your own story. Yeah. Like I can't wait till the show starts filming. Like, am I going to like gossip about it?

Like, I don't know. Like maybe I will. Like a showmance. Yeah. Showmance. Like, I mean, I hope there's like nothing bad that happens on set, but like maybe someone's going to be difficult or unhappy. Like.

Oh my God. That's so crazy. Do you, are you the type that would want to to be have like a little cameo on your show like even if it's just like being a and like a receptionist or something no absolutely not oh I guess that doesn't no sorry that doesn't work for you because you are extremely anonymous but I'm just like thinking of myself and what I would do yeah I just like I I'm I actually am an executive producer on the show, for the show. I don't know what that entails or how much they'll let me really do, but a cameo is not on my list of requirements.

Of requirements, yeah. I understand that completely. Well, that's really exciting. The book, you can see it as a show already, and I think that's going to be awesome. So congratulations on all of that. And is the show going to be called Anon Please also? I think so. I'm not sure. It's up to the producers, but I think it might be. Yeah. The big wigs. The big wigs. Yep. Okay. Well,

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But our first story of the day is a Dumois original because you have reported a few times on your Instagram stories based on tips that you've received that a story is coming out about blogger Arielle Charnas and her husband and her business is supposed to drop today. I'm checking newsfeed again. It hasn't yet. What have you heard and what do you know? Well, I'm so happy we're talking about this. So when does this episode come out? Right after this. Like as soon as we're done. Oh my God, this is perfect. Okay.

Because everyone's in my DMs, like don't leave us hanging, like give us more information. And first of all, I was receiving tips about this like until like 1 a.m. last night. Like it was just like rolling in and basically it's all the same information. And all this information can also be found on Reddit. Like I wasn't the one to uncover any of this. Like I don't like to take credit where credit is not due. All this information was on Reddit. So people were talking about this on Reddit. Some people started messaging me about it. And my response was, I don't like to talk about influencers because I feel like we're all kind of in the same space. So they're kind of like colleagues. Right. So I kind

of just like to leave that alone. But then it got to the point where so many people were asking me about it. Like I had no choice. Like I had to address it or else, you know, what's the point of my account? So there is a part of the story that I really don't feel comfortable repeating. Okay. And that's something to do with their personal relationship. I'm sure that your listeners who have been following on Reddit know what I'm talking about. But that's like their personal business. And I'm not talking about divorce.

That's also a rumor that like they're going to get divorced. That's also a rumor that like they're going to get divorced. Now, some people have suggested that they might get divorced to save face for like whatever's going on legally. Got it. Because they're they're showing like a united front on Instagram. Like he's commenting on her Instagram posts. She's posting like everything's copacetic. So they are showing a united front. So I think that those rumors, like the divorce rumors, like put on the back burner for now. What everyone is talking

about is that allegedly Brandon Charnas embezzled four to five million dollars from investors, people who invested in the Something Navy brand brand embezzled this money for personal use. And he got caught. And I haven't posted this, but I'm happy to say, and I probably won't post it. So this is the only place you'll hear. Somebody messaged me late last night that he got arrested in Florida. I don't know if that's true. That's what I was hearing. Like rumors that last night people were saying he's getting arrested tonight. This morning they're like, he got arrested last night but wouldn't that be like on TMZ already and in the legal filings or no I don't know I think an arrest

you can like just like a marriage certificate or a birth certificate you could probably look up an arrest so I don't know that's a great question but I heard this late last night from somebody who said that their source was like rock solid that he got arrested in Florida she's in New York you know just going about her daily business like everything is okay she was at the polo bar last night people were messaging me from the polo bar like people that were sitting near her saying that like she was with her sister she looked like everything was okay there were rumors that he got arrested at the polo bar but he wasn't there so those rumors are not true got it and then she posted because I feel like they're putting up a or maybe it seems like

they're putting up a united front like on his end but her content has been very like her centric like is she commenting on his stuff like it seems like he might be in the doghouse and he's trying to look like they're OK. But she's like, I don't know him. Yeah, I think he probably is in the doghouse for a variety of reasons. One being like the personal part that I don't feel comfortable talking about because I don't know if it's true. It's rumors about their marriage. And I have to say these rumors, like for the people who know what I'm'm talking about they have been going around for the past like three years they're not new

people who went to college with him like do you know what I'm talking about by the way I do yeah people who went to college with him said the same thing people were messaging me that these rumors three years ago um so maybe she's like maybe their rumors are true and she's pissed or like the rumors are true and they've been true but everybody kind of has a different like situation in their marriage and maybe they found something that like works for them even if to other people it might not be conventional I'm sure you see a ton of that in your dms like what percent of celebrity relationships relationships which you say are actually monogamous and like intentionally monogamous 10 15 that's and everyone else like has some sort of arrangement where it's like you know monogamy isn't natural that you're my chosen partner and blah blah blah yeah I think

they either have like an arrangement to have like open marriage. And I heard this actually from a very reliable source. Like, a lot of couples, a lot of married couples, when the husband or wife is away on set, it's like anything goes. And then they come, whatever happens, like, whatever happens on set stays on set. And then they come back to their, like, married life like nothing ever happened. But the wife or husband knows that they're like filming these movies and like fucking around in their trailer wow that's a very reliable source that kind of makes sense to me because then also where those instances where the public finds out about it but then the spouse

stands by their partner and we're just like how could you and it's like these people are not like ordinary lay people who expect their partner to be like monogamous. Exactly. So I think we need to take that into consideration and not use judgment. And who cares if it worked, like you said, if it works for them, that's like their business.

Right. So, okay. I guess that's what's to come with the charnels. Yeah. Yeah. So there's a recording going around. Have you heard it?

No, I haven't heard no i haven't heard i haven't heard about it wild what is the content there's a recording going around of this guy okay i don't know who he is i'm like trying to find out who he is um it's posted on tiktok and i think on reddit and he's literally like confirming all the rumors that we've been hearing like but he's speaking like into a voice memo and at the end he mentioned something about cold spring harbor i don't it's like very it's kind of like fuzzy at the end but he mentioned something about that um so i don't know if like that's where he's from or like they know people there that these rumors are being

confirmed by but I highly recommend you get your hands on it and listen but it's just a guy talking it's a guy talking being like um I met Ariel and Brandon Charnas five years ago um the rumors about him embezzling he embezzled four to five million dollars like and then it gets into the personal stuff like how I guess I could say this because I talk about this a lot. How he was attending, like, an underground sex club a lot. It's very, I could send it to you. It's very odd.

But this guy could be, you know, random off, like, nobody who doesn't know anything. Well, that's what I thought. But that's why I mentioned, like, Cold Spring Harbor. Because, Harbor, because like at the end, he like mentioned something about Cold Spring Harbor and like, I don't know, like, are there trolls living in Cold Spring Harbor? I feel like that's like a like who in Cold Spring Harbor is like trolling the Internet? I don't know. It sounded legit is what I'm going to say. OK, well, we shall see what's to come. The article is supposed to drop today. But is is supposed to drop today, but is it going to drop today?

What have you heard about that? I heard it was delayed because of all this like drama around the rumors and like it getting out. So I heard it's delayed, which I knew was going to happen. I knew like once the TikTok

started rolling out and, you know, once people started posting about it on Instagram, I knew the article was going to be delayed because that's how you know yeah that's how they work so it's delayed because like now we think more tips are coming in because more people are knowing about it I think they're getting more information I think they're they're gathering more information and um it I heard Thursday, Friday, maybe next week.

I don't know. We'll see. I think, listen, somebody sent me an email from somebody, a business insider looking for information. I was going to just, I saw that on your Instagram story this morning. I was wondering if that was sent to you. No, it wasn't sent to me. That's like a good clarification.

I'm glad you asked. It was not sent to me. It was sent to somebody else who sent it to me, who said I could post it. So the so the Business Insider article is true. Got it. And so in what's in the article, it's like it's really he was fucking around, whatever in his personal life. He was allegedly embezzling money like it's it's all on him, correct?

Yes. allegedly embezzling money like it's it's all on him correct yes I don't know if they'll address like the personal aspect of it but apparently yes he embezzled four to five million dollars from whoever his investors were I think they got a 10 million dollar yeah that investment that was like big news when it happened a few years ago yeah they got a 10 million dollar investment in 2019 so like I was like asking my friend, I'm like, how does embezzlement work? Do they just like take some of that $10 million and like go on vacation and like say it was a business expense? Like, I guess that's what happened. Yeah. But she's not based on what you've heard. Like she's not culpable like he is. I don't

know. It might be like a Teresa Guadice situation. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. That's what I think it is. So she could be responsible for the misappropriation of these funds. And it's her business.

With Teresa, it was Joe's business and she's not like a business woman. But this is Ariel's business. And so you would hope that she would have visibility into things that are going on in it. I mean, who knows? Maybe her husband was just like sick. We're getting $10 million like sign here.

And she was like, okay, like, I don't know, you know, but she's posting as if the sun is shining, except she has a dark uh filter feed going on right now that's the aesthetic the kids are doing oh well i think that she probably hired like a crisis pr person and they told her just act like everything's fine that's like what i think i think that's good advice i think that if she didn't post right now anything, it would give more like oxygen to these rumors. It would prove some sort of guilt. I don't think there's anything she could do right now other than act like everything's normal.

Right. And I feel bad for her kids. And, you know, I've actually never heard like anything too terrible about her. She seems like a nice person. So she does. The whole story really gives me a pit. And I feel like there's so much schadenfreude going on and it just like makes me sad like this is a family and if this

was her business it's one thing for your husband to disappoint you in in your marriage but it's another it's doubly disappointing for him to then destroy your business and like what a business she's built well that's what I was asking someone like do people still buy her clothes like I need to know like who the hell is walking around in her clothes well I think her business became her designing her own clothes plus her being a retailer and selling plenty of other designers like I get targeted ads for her shop all the time and like because I think it's actually pretty smart because she has really nice taste in clothes so it's like she's a designer and a curator but I didn't realize that I don't know who is going into the brick and mortar shops or going to her website I don't know right I don't

know either um I don't think I've ever met anyone who's purchased an item of clothing but I know her style and her vibe is like really popular yeah And even if she just stuck to making money from her Instagram alone, like she could live well, I'm sure. I think she could live well, but not how they are currently living. The way that they're currently living is on a whole nother level. Exactly. And I said to somebody like that four to five million dollar rumor that's going around, that makes sense for the type of lifestyle that they are showing. Like that's the number. Like it's just enough to live like they're living, but not too much and not too little.

I agree with that. Yes. So if anybody wants to embezzle money, like four to five million is like... We'll get you a great the sweet life yeah exactly um so yeah we'll see what happens with that and ordinarily like today if Claudia were here we probably wouldn't have spoken about it because there's not like a story and now you have provided all this other clarity so that's why I'm glad you're here today but until this story drops I feel like we're all just yeah we don't know it's all speculation but I also feel like you can sift through the tips that you get and like at

this point you probably know what's the truth well I mean I did have some people who have verified their relation to the situation who have right confirmed some of the rumors. So yes. And I just want to say, I'm receiving DMs. People are coming forward from their real accounts and talking about this. I'm not getting anonymous tips. It's really funny when something like this happens,

especially in New York. New York is really a small place. And all my followers, a lot of them are from New York. So I'm getting a lot of information about this is my point for that reason. Yeah. I imagine you are, which is why you're the go-to, the go-to girly. Before we continue, I've got to let you know that today's episode is also brought to you by BetterHelp. So unfortunately, life does not come with a user manual. and when it's not working for you it's normal to feel stuck and it's hard to know where to turn at that time

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And get your hair looking thick and right. It is the best stuff. Okay, next up we have a couple stories about Megan and Harry. Because they were in New York last night having, you know, a movie moment on their glamorous night in New York City. They attended the Robert F. Kennedy Ripple of Hope Award Gala in the city they were honored with the award for their work in racial justice mental health and other social impact action through their Archwell Foundation also two days ago the trailer for their new show dropped and there's been a lot of backlash about the trailer because they use a lot of stock footage and stock images of paparazzi.

You know, the narrators are saying how they're being hounded by paparazzi, and then some eagle-eyed viewers showed that the footage of paparazzi and cameras have nothing to do with them. They're from a Harry Potter premiere. They're from other instances that weren't, like, these weren't paparazzi that were hounding Meghan and Harry. So the story's a bit twofold, but they're in in New York City so have you gotten good tips about them this week I know where they're staying oh tell me offline just curious I was actually really

surprised at the I mean it's probably um you could figure it out by the paparazzi pictures I think they're paparazzi pictures outside their hotel but but I don't want to say, but I was surprised that that's where they were staying. It's more of like a hip place. Not like they're not staying at the Plaza. They're not staying at like the Mark or the Carlisle. That's where I would expect them to stay. Me too. I was actually just talking about this with Claudia yesterday, not on the show, like where we think that they stay in New York. Cause I'm so curious. I feel like hotels in New York are either like so historic and classic, or they're like, you know, new age, you don't even check in, there's a robot. And so I'm just curious what their vibe was. But then I was thinking they probably stay like at a friend's house where they could be like really secure. But no, they're at a hotel. They're at a hotel. And

that's also the security issue. Like when I heard the name of the hotel, I was like, I would think like a Carlisle or a Plaza would have much more heightened security than where they're staying. So I was surprised and I was wondering if it was a conscious decision to like be more cool and hip. Oh, the fact that they were staying there. I got to know afterwards what hotel it is and why I think that they might stay there. They might have also like gotten a deal.

They might have gotten like a whole floor for free and like now they're you know working people like the rest of us like you want to save the buck yeah so I mean that's all I really heard and you know I also this was in the news but didn't people recently quit her podcast yes her production company I think I saw I had lined 14 people from their team over the since they've like built their U.S. non-royal team have left. Which is like a lot of people. It is a lot of people. And you have to wonder why.

Like what's going on. But yeah, like all her all of their deals, like their Spotify deal and the podcast, like it took a long time for that to get off the ground and running. Right. And I don't really have any information why, but I think that that's suspect. To me, that's like weird. Yeah, I agree. And I feel like especially with the podcast, they signed that Spotify deal.

They didn't put out any content. I feel like it wasn't until they were kind of called out by, I think it was the Post being like, it's been two years and we've gotten like one 20 minute podcast episode, post being like it's been two years and we've gotten like one 20 minute podcast episode like what's going on with the uh Sussexes and Spotify that she started her podcast yes actually her podcast won people's choice podcast last night I don't know if you I don't know if you saw that I did see it I did see it and I thought that that was probably I mean let's be honest the people's choice is like rigged so you don't think it's the people's choice? You don't think the people are choosing?

No, absolutely not. 100% not. I'm shocked. I'm in shock. They picked the winners. They probably was hoping she would show up. You know, that's why they picked those winners. But listen, her podcast is doing great.

People love it. She has great guests. But listen, her podcast is doing great. Like people love it. She has great guests. Somebody told me that like don't be surprised if she parlays this into like an on-air hosting situation. Like a daytime talk show sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Somebody said that. I don't know if it was like inside information or if it was just them speculating, but it made so much sense. That actually makes a lot of sense. Yep. Wow. Now I can't now I can't unsee it. Yeah. Listen, she'd probably be really good at it. Yeah. People love her. People love to hate her. People just hate her. But it's all all comes out in the wash. You know, they're talking about it. I feel like daytime talk shows are really hard to hide when they're not popular do you know what

I mean like I feel like with podcasting it's pretty easy to make it look like no one knows how many listeners you have right how many lists and especially even I'm sure she has a ton of listeners but it might not be the number that people would expect from her so I feel like there there's more like there's more security in podcasting I feel like but I also just love the medium yeah I mean listen like I haven't checked the apple charts yet but usually I like check to see I'm sure she's like up there well she's only on Spotify charts and so oh okay Spotify exclusive shows chart high because it's the only place you can listen to them. Like it's it's all. Oh, oh, you're right. Duh.

Spotify. Duh. OK, so she's not on the charts. She's not on the on the Apple charts. Yeah. Yeah. I don't ever check the Spotify ones. I only check Apple.

Right. I know. Same. You guys are always on the charts. Thank you. I love the charts. Props to you. Yeah, I bet you do.

I like ask my agent. I'm like, how the fuck do I get on the charts? And she's like, I don't know. I don't know. She's like, I'm like, how many downloads do you need per episode to get on the charts? But like the charts are a mixture. I think for people who have been podcasting for years, it's like pretty like clear cut. You the more listeners you get the more higher you'll be in the charts but for like newer podcasts if you have like a trendier episode you'll trend higher or if you're a new podcast where there's like a lot of buzz right now like you will chart really high but then you know everyone when they launch a podcast they hit number one and everyone posts it and then and then like let's talk in a few months no yeah that no that happens to me like when I

launch I think I hit like five or seven and then it like it falls off and then yeah and then I just check the episodes you know I like to check the episode um chart too it's really interesting I think it's also very interesting to see who charts and who doesn't yeah but even like the chart is the reason why we're obsessed with it is because we all we it's all we have in terms of competitor analytics right because podcasting is really like not transparent you don't know what people are doing right numbers you guys are you guys are always on it everyone should know that I don't know if your listeners check the charts but round of applause for you guys. Number one. What did you guys call yourself?

Do you still say number one source for news? Remember your tagline back in the day? The Millennial Morning Show was what we used to say. It was before that. It was like you would say like the number one source for, this is like when you guys first started, you would say like the number one source maybe it was for just news interesting you don't remember maybe i made it up no no i'm sure i'm i believe you like i wonder so many things that like we would say like all the time it's just funny how things morph without

you even noticing like we used to say the millennial morning we used to like really be the millennial morning show we were like obsessed with being like a pseudo morning show and now we're just like we love podcasting we're like happy to be comedy podcast that comes out sometimes in the mornings yeah no you guys are great also like you get great guests you guys have like great chemistry you have a really great platform you should be proud of yourselves it's not it's not easy people should know it's not easy thank you so much. It's not easy. Thank you so much. That's really sweet. I feel like you have to be a podcaster to realize how much goes into it. And I think for people who are just listeners or just trolls, they think it's like, oh,

you work one hour a day. How nice. No, not at all. It's like, I mean, my podcast, I'm working all week to like get content for my podcast. So it's like literally from like Monday until the following Tuesday, like trying to gather information, you know, cause I try to make it exclusive content, not what's on Instagram. So it makes it harder, but right. It's so true.

I feel like that was one thing that was really interesting in your book was like the early days of Dumont like what people thought you might do with it you know and like in the book there's someone who like comes and tries to buy it pretty early on that was true I believe that's true and the way that like you talked about the exchange like what the person said like I totally like I'm so curious what the media company was but I totally believe that and now like knowing what Dumas has turned into it's like that offer is a low ball beyond it was low ball so I think they offered me I'll tell you like they offered me 250 at first for 25 percent and I was like are you kidding me 25 percent is like a huge stake

yeah only 250,000 now that being said like I had only been around I think like a year and a half but I just thought that the value in the brand was higher so they were like they doubled it in the end they winded up like saying like we could double it but let's discuss and I was just advised like this is not a good move like you don't give up 25% of your business. That's, like, a lot. Yeah, especially when, like, there's so much runway ahead of you. Right.

So I just, but I needed the help. Like, I needed the support, which was, like, which was so attractive to me because they were offering me support, right? They were offering me, like, it was, it's an established media company. They were offering me their team to help me grow my business. And that was like so attractive to me because I, you know, was doing everything myself and I pretty much still do. So, but I winded up declining and the guy kept coming back and coming back and he knows he's in the book. And he said to me, like he sent me a note, like laughing, kind of like, I can't believe you put this in. And I was like, well, it is based on true events.

And this really did happen. So he didn't portray him unflatteringly. No, no, no, no, no. And the whole thing with like I will say, like the whole thing with Ollie, like betraying me with him, that wasn't true. Oh, okay. Ollie's in the business, like the real life Ollie's in the business, but he's in a different facet of the business. So they would never be interacting in real life. Got it. Okay. Very cool. Get the behind the scenes tea, even though the book is all the behind the scenes tea really yeah um okay before we move on from Megan and Harry so do you get a lot of

tips about them like yeah is there vibe yeah so I get a lot of tips or I get a lot of requests for tips and I always say that like I'm really trepidatious about like posting about her because she has so many like very passionate fans who will be very quick to call you like a misogynist and racist if you say the wrong thing and like the wrong thing could be like I hate her dress like they'll be like upset that you said that so it's not worth for me like posting but yeah I've heard like so much shit about her like for me like posting but yeah I've heard like so much shit about her like all the horror stories about like her you know being not great I've heard that I don't know if it's true you know I think she has like a huge cross to bear in her position so I give her a little bit of like grace yeah

she's difficult because I understand that yeah because she can't be in the easiest situation it has to be hard yeah being in her situation aside from like the Megan and Harry T do you have people in the palace who give you just like who are one fans or two like just tell you maybe like random shit about what goes on yeah there was somebody who was like really close to like the royals that was giving me a lot of information. But then I started to realize that it was skewed against Harry and Meghan, which makes sense because the Royals don't like them. Yeah. So I was like, hmm, like maybe I should talk to somebody who's less biased.

But let me tell you something. There is nobody out there that's not biased. They're either Royals or Harry and Meghan. That's what it is. It's extremely like the two sides are very clear. It's very hard to like walk the line in between. And if anyone could, it was the queen and she's passed. Rest in peace, my queen.

R.I.P. Yeah. Are you do you are you like a royalist? Do you watch it? Do you love the queen or are you just like, don't care? No, I don't care. i don't care yeah yeah no same yeah no me neither okay but the people care so i honestly they care you just gave everyone another clue that you're claudia claudia like won't claudia Claudia has like barred me from talking about any really royal news unless it's like the biggest deal. Like I can't talk about my nude stories anymore that I think people would find fascinating.

No, they love it. But I'm just like, I don't live there. Like, why do I care? A lot of people feel that way. Yeah. Yeah. Like, why do I care? But people care.

And I'm all for supporting the people that care. I just am not one of them. Have you ever thought about, like, branching out Dumois, like, internationally? Like, having Dumois in other places? And probably having, like, someone else be that person? Yes. So people ask me all the time, can I start a Dumois Brazil? Can I start a Dumois Broadway?

Can I start a Dumois Brazil can I start a Demois Broadway can I start a Demois sports and my answer is yes but like I need it to be official so I would have to like hire someone to do that that's a lot yeah that's a lot of faith to put in someone else to like take your brand and like license it and I'm sure at the end of the day it's nearly impossible to verify that. Yeah. So I just like, I would love that to be part of like the future business plan, but it's just not in the near future. I would need like a team. And it's very hard for me to trust people.

So, which is why I'm like riding solo still, because I don't know, like it's hard to trust people. I feel like. Yeah, I'm sure. You're lucky because you work with your sisters and your sister.

And it's like, you don't, who do you trust more than that? You know, we talk about it all the time. Like how fortunate we feel. Like, I mean that there is that implicit level of trust.

There's no like one day. Well, one of us who run away with the show, like, yeah, it's, it's very nice. Also,

I feel like that was another theme in your book like you never really thought about like how isolating it could maybe feel to have this like big secret and that constantly is making you be on your phone yeah you have all of these things going on in your brain and then like when you talk to someone that aren't like your close friends like you can't talk about like the biggest thing in your life right so like that's that's very you nailed it again like Like it is very isolating, which is why like I started to open up a little bit. Like we could tell people like my camera's on, like we could see each other. Like I don't want to be like isolated. Like it's

not a great feeling. Like I've started meeting more people in person that like I'm talking to, like for business purposes, not like, just for fun yeah um because it it it's been an isolating two years and it's not it doesn't feel good it feels sad you know so I want to branch out a little more I think that's great and I think you're going about it in a really good way and people just like are obsessed with you and whatever bit of yourself that you want to give like I'm sure it's amazing I'm sure also podcasting is a great way for you to just, like, get it out and talk about what you're doing. I mean, I don't really talk about myself personally. Like, I'm never like, okay, this weekend I went to such and such place.

Like, I'm not, like, that type of podcaster. I keep it, like, strictly business. I'm like, let's get into the topics. Like, I don't know if people want to hear from me personally. Like, I don't think they do. So I just keep my mouth shut. But it's not because I'm trying to hide it's just because I don't think they care you know what I mean right right well you could always test it out but I feel like even having a place where you can like go and talk about like what's happening on Dumois

with a larger audience yes it's a release that you didn't have before it's great which is why I'm like I can't wait till this episode comes out because I'm going to direct everyone who's messaging me about Ariel Charnas to listen to this episode because it's so much easier to talk through it than just post it and like to write like a written statement I need I like to talk to I feel that way so many people will be like message me on Instagram like why aren't you talking about Balenciaga and it's like girl I went on a fucking tirade every single day this week on the toast. Like, just go listen, like, listen. Exactly. It's easier to talk through things than post. And, you know, when I first started my podcast, people would be like, stop directing people to listen to your podcast, like post it on Instagram. And I'm like,

I can't post everything on Instagram. It's, it's not, it's not enhancing your experience also by me just writing things out like listen to us talk it through and I'll I'll wind up telling more on the podcast yep then on Instagram 100% easier so and you're more comfortable more comfortable exactly totally okay well moving on to the next story the time 2022 person of the year is here there was a short list of nine people that I think they released like yesterday but the person of the year is not Kelly Clarkson unfortunately for me it is Vladimir Zelensky of the Ukraine oh that's nice for him yeah that is nice for him and feels very apt for the year.

It's interesting. I didn't realize I was looking at last year's winner, which was Elon Musk. And some years they give a list of everyone who was nominated and other years they don't. This year they gave the list of nine people. Last year there was no runner up to Elon. Wait, was Kelly on the list? No, no, I'm kidding. She's just she's just my person of the year every year. No, I would believe it.

I mean, people love her. She seems great. Like she she like is killing her talk show. Like, right. Yeah. She's like bringing people together. That's just like who I would have nominated. But they had other plans in mind.

Does she know you're such a big fan of hers? I don't think so. But I'm one of those people. It's not that I don't want to meet my heroes because I don't think that they'll be disappointing. And I definitely don't think Kelly would be disappointing. I just like to admire some people. Like I just like to be a fan sometimes. Same.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. I don't want to meet anyone. Wait, who's been your most favorite celebrity that you've ever met? Oh, that I've ever met. Because you guys have done like red carpets. You've been to a ton of events

you've been in the you've been doing this for so long like that's so true well I feel like of celebrities who I've met and I'm a huge fan of and like together it's been a great experience like Luke Holmes oh okay I knew you were gonna say someone country I knew it because you just said the like the red carpet you do CMAs And we really get like a good read on people there. Like we've had some amazing exchanges with people. And especially in country music, like they are extremely relaxed on a red carpet. So it's just fun. And we've also had some like awkward celebrity encounters too.

Enough for me to make me realize like I don't need to meet everyone. I can just sometimes be a fan, like the work. A lot of times people are not their character on the show that you like and that's okay. Yes, I agree with that 100%. Yeah. So. All right. Luke Combs. Luke Combs. That's a solid answer. Next for person of the year. Do you meet any celebrities like as do moi? No, I haven't. I'm sure they would like shit their pants. I haven't. I've been in their presence, but I haven't. I haven't like said hi, like I'm Dumas. And like I've talked about this before. Like I sat next to Lindsay Hubbard from Summer House

at a restaurant and we DM. So like I could have easily like she would have known like who I was um and then I also sat next to like a table of celebrities at Carbone it was like Mark Ronson, Samantha Ronson, Grace Gumer, Carol Radziwill, Cassandra Gray they were all eating at Carbone and I was like a table away and I've DM'd with some of those people at that table. So I was like, oh, fuck. Oh, yeah. But I never told them. Yeah, I never told them. I get that. Do you think that maybe going forward, like you might do more of that as you venture out or that's like, you know, I think like I would like meet like other creators like I would, you know, meet you or Claudia or like, you know, other creators that I would you know meet you or Claudia or like you know

other creators that I've had on my podcast who I've developed a relationship with but not celebrities like my peers I would meet but not celebrities I that makes sense and it really is nice talking to other people who do some like uh things that are akin to what you do and because some of it's just the like random struggles that go along with the work. It's fun to have people to like talk about their experiences. That's so true. Especially since like I work alone.

Like I love like talking to you about like podcasting or like whatever, you know? Yeah, that's so true. It's really, really fun. Do you have like the craziest DMs with celebrities? Like would people die if they knew who like talks to you directly and like who you have like the craziest dms with celebrities like would people die if they knew who like talks to you directly and like who you just like chat with um i think they'd be surprised about some of the people for sure um but like you know there's some like huge a-list celebrities

that like i've dm'd for various reasons who've like not even opened my DM or responded. For example, like John Mayer, I've DMs like tons of times. Now it's just like a joke because like, I heard that he likes shrimp cocktail. So like whenever I'm like at a restaurant and order shrimp cocktail, because I also love shrimp cocktail,

like I'll send him a picture of the shrimp cocktail and be like thinking of you. So now I'm just like, like, you know, spamming him with shrimp cocktail picks. But I think that, yeah, I think some of the people, people would be like, that's so random. Yeah. Like Kim Kardashian was on a podcast once and she said she has a Finsta and she uses it to check to moi. Yeah. I wonder, I don't know if she's messaged me from it. She could have messaged me from it and been sending me tips. I have no idea. Oh, my God.

Yeah. Or like you might not have even seen it if it was just like. Right. An account with a couple followers. Right. So Erin Lim from E, she admitted that she sends me tips via a Finsta. And she says that I have never responded to her. And she said, I probably read her messages and like this person's batshit crazy.

To which I say, the stuff that's the craziest is always the stuff that's the most true. So she could be like sending me all these tips and I'm probably like, this person's so crazy and not responding. Right. And also if it's a finsta, I'm sure that you take it that with a grain of salt as opposed to someone who's willing to put their face behind a tip. 100%. That's part of my vetting process. But you'd be surprised. There are some finstas that have like surface that have very specific information on things. And I'm like, hmm, okay. All right. I see what you're doing. Like you you're really trying to hide, like, who you are.

So it depends. It depends. Interesting. Yeah. Okay, well, our next story is last night's People's Choice Awards, which Juma says are not the people's choice. We have the complete list of winners. I don't know how much people care,

but I'll just go through the big categories. The best movie of 2022, according to the people, is Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Sure. Whatever. That's such a lie. That's like not true. Literally not.

I have not heard of this movie. I would have said the movie of the year was Top Gun. Agree. Or even Don't Worry Darling because Olivia Wilde was there or Elvis. I loved Elvis. Yeah, I think that that's

total planted BS. And didn't Elvis, Austin Butler, and the girl who played Priscilla, oh, I forgot her name, but she's also in the society, have a little fling on set? Yeah, Olivia Dijon,

I think her name is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, supposedly they did have a little fling. I don Olivia Dijon I think her name is yeah yeah yeah supposedly they did have a little fling I don't know if it overlapped with his relationship with Vanessa um but that's what people think I don't know Austin Butler like great guy but a little bit of a grifter or was a grifter how so I mean I just heard that he was like grifting off of Vanessa Hudgens like living in her house or maybe she bought him a house like something like that you know what I mean and like at the time when they dated she was much more famous than him

right and now he he got to where he was trying to go yeah and now he's dating kaya although i think they're i think they're broken up she was seen making out and you know this will be a morning toast exclusive i will reveal um she was seen making out with bat bazzy bazzy bazzy the artist yeah so she was seen making out with him a couple weeks ago at an event and somebody wrote in and then somebody who who was at the event also confirmed it. Somebody who was like blue checkmark was there, saw it. So she wasn't hiding. Oh, wow.

Making out with him. So I don't know if him, her and Austin are done. I kind of ship those two. He makes amazing music. I never saw a picture of him and he looks very cute. Yeah, I've never heard one of his songs. You have. You know that one that's like, I have the worst voice, but here I go singing for Dumois.

Hey, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful angel. Love your imperfections every angle. You know that one? It sounds just like him when I sang it. I appreciate like I appreciate how hard you tried it. You tried to sing that. No, I don't know it. But he's cute.

You know what I was wondering? Like, what is your taste in music? What was your Spotify wrapped? Well, I don't use Spotify. I use Apple. I'm sorry. I don't know Spotify I use Apple I'm sorry I don't know I know um it was the first it was Counting Crows that was the album I listened to the most oh my god that's the headline and do moi Stan so have you ever gotten like a

a bad tip about Counting Crows and you're like I will protect them till the end. Not yet, but maybe now I will. I don't know. I mean, somebody said, somebody said, I posted this on Twitter. It was like counting crows. And then it was like my top music genres were like alternative hip hop, like adult alternative pop or something. And somebody was like, I could spot a millennial like when I see one. And I'm like, listen, I love the counting crows. It's just like emo nineties music. I'm

really into like emo nineties music, but no, I haven't heard one bad thing about the counting crows. Please. Nobody send me in any bad tips about the counting crows, please. My number one fucking funny number one, listen to listen to album like I don't know how many minutes it like tells you how many minutes you've listened you know it's like depressing I'm like I don't need to know that I've listened to the counting crows for 1700 minutes like or however oh my god that's so funny do you get a lot of tips about people especially there's so many celebrities in general there's so many up and coming there's so many different tiers of celebrities you get like a lot of tips of people about people and you're like I don't know who the fuck this is yes everyone I had to google

Bazzi I didn't know who Bazzi was true I had no idea that's like a perfect example yeah there's a lot of people that I don't know and there's also a lot of like C and D list celebrities that people want to know about that I'm'm like, it's so true. They're, they are there. And there are so many like niche audiences, which is why it does make sense to like, maybe one day,

like do, do more Broadway, like even do more influencers. I also feel like you can't talk about influencers because if you did, it would open up the floodlights. Your stories would be triple the length because there are so many influencers, people who identify as influencers like because it could be really any size and also if you're again if you're in New York and you're

an influencer chances are that you have interacted with hundreds and hundreds of people so I'll that's why the more somebody's out there the more tips I get about them right so like I don't know who's like reclusive right now Miley Cyrus is like super reclusive right now I haven't heard one thing about Miley Cyrus in months right but then you just said that she's coming back soon yeah I did say that she has new music coming out very soon um I think at the end of this year which is in a couple weeks or maybe the beginning of next um what she's been up to. Just like chilling. Recording and chilling and like hiding.

Yeah. Good. They know how not to be seen. That's why like these celebrities that like go to Craig's or go to Carbone. It's like they know what they're doing. Yeah. Oh, totally. You know what I mean?

Mm hmm. So are there celebrities that are just like too small? Like you're like, I don't care about this person. Yeah, because I'm just like, yeah, because I don't want to, like, I don't want to throw off, like, you know, throw off the audience. Like, if I'm, like, posting, like, Selena, Timothee Chalamet, like, Tom Cruise, and then all of a sudden it's, like, some C-list celebrity from, like, you know. Big Brother. Yeah, and people are like, what? So I try to just like avoid them like I know like love is blind and that other show what's that other show love island like

love island yeah those are really popular but I don't watch them so I I don't know when people message me the names I'm like I have no idea who these people are and you won't post something like that if it's something that's like big news and it's about one of those two shows I will but they have to explain to me why this is big news like they would have to say like they broke up and now they're back together so and so cheated like do you know what I mean otherwise I'm lost and I'm not about to watch like four seasons of love is blind or however many seasons there were. No, I totally feel that. Do you watch any TV like for Dumois?

Like so that you can be up to speed on stuff or it's just like what you watch and what you're interested in? I would say like 70% of like what I watch and what I'm interested in. But then there'll be like a show that people will keep messaging me about being like, you have to watch the show. Right. You have to watch the show. And I'm like, OK like, you have to watch the show. Right. You have to watch the show. And I'm like, OK, I'm going to watch the show.

And I wind up actually really liking those shows that my audience recommends. Or they'll be like, they're so cute. They'll be like, I know you'll love this show. Like this show is up your alley because they see all the shows that I'm like talking about and posting about. So I take their recommendations very seriously. So, yes, I will do that okay yeah that makes sense especially since these days like when something's like one series it's like a long

movie and it's very enjoyable especially and everything's like made so well yeah did you like I'm curious did you like Don't Worry Darling I didn't watch it oh okay uh but I've heard good things I might watch it one day I just like I don't have the time to sit and watch a movie because I have a baby and he's like then when I do have a few hours it's like I don't want to watch no movie that feels like a real movie like I just want to I like want to read or something like I probably maybe I'll watch it around the holidays because it seems like a good movie to watch like with your family yeah I mean It's so hard to find. Dark. It's a little dark. Oh, is it?

What do you think? I loved it. I thought that all of the rumors about Florence Pugh carrying the movie weren't true. I thought all the actors did a great job. I thought Olivia Wilde's performance was really good. Chris Pine. People making fun of Harry's performance. Totally unwarranted.

I thought he did a great job. I thought it was an interesting movie. I didn't, all the hate it received regarding like the plot and whatnot. I mean, there were a lot of plot holes, but I still enjoyed it. I thought it was unwarranted hate.

I had heard good things. Also, it was the drama movie of 2022 from the people's choice. That one, I believe, I believe it. The category though, there are some like strong choices like where the crawdad saying luckiest girl alive Elvis death on the Nile which wasn't very good but it was it was cute um and some other movies but I believe

that too and Olivia Wilde showed up so I think that's worth giving it to her for well maybe they were like if we give you this award will you show up and she was like yeah yeah because how do you beat first of all where the crawdad sing was so good so depressing but like so good i know and then wait what was the second one you said not luckiest girl alive luckiest girl alive obsessed yeah also so good very dark um but yeah maybe they just were like if you show up we'll give you this and she was like I'll do it for the people for the people she's a woman of the people Olivia Wilde she is now yeah which is actually surprising that she showed up too I know I was like so surprised I would say it's like a c-tier award show I would say she's like an a-list celebrity especially these days and I am always surprised when she keeps putting herself in these situations for like people to have so much access to her

that is so true but maybe like that's her like way maybe that's her PR crisis like strategy which is actually genius it is because we keep just the news cycle keeps changing with her and I think that's probably what she's looking for. Yes. Smart moves. Our fifth and final story is brought to you by Shopify, which is such a great sponsor for today's episode because it makes being a business owner so much easier and it makes it really accessible. If you're thinking about starting a business,

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did you yeah and Claudia Aschere is their number one patron she is obsessed she talks about a law and order she finds a way to like talk about a law and order episode once an episode probably on the show they're they're crazy they try to like convince me that Mariska and what's his name? Stabler are like together in real life. They hate Mariska's husband in real life. Oh, that's fucking vile. He's literally the most amazing man in Hollywood. He's someone who we had on the show once and we met.

And I would say like he's one of my favorite celebrities we've ever met. Sing it, sister. They need to hear it because like they like do not like him for some reason oh my god they're not okay he's not only the most handsome man period he also is in all the best movies and shows like he's Charles from Younger he his IMDB is like all amazing movies and then him and Mariska like have this gorgeous marriage it's too much he actually just um directed an episode of and just like that oh wow and just like that it's like so similar to kind of just because they're like New York City shows yeah so you're right he does have like a

really robust resume but yeah they don't like them so I wonder if they're mad at Kathy now like I'm really curious about like oh if they're mad at Kathy now like I'm really curious about like oh if they're pissed that Kathy like disrespected their queen like that I need to know that is so so funny yeah have you heard good things about like the two of them or Shka and Peter yeah well sometimes the fans will trick me and they'll send in a blind item because I didn't know about this fan base and sometimes I forget about them but they'll send in a blind item because I didn't know about this fan base and sometimes I forget about them but they'll send in a blind item through email and they'll they'll paint him in a bad light sometimes they'll paint her in a bad light like sometimes they'll say like her and

Stabler were seen like canoodling so sometimes they trick me but then then the people that really know the truth will dm me and be like none of this is true. So, yes, I've only heard like pretty like good things about her. She seems really intimidating in real life, but I think she's warm. I think she's a warm person, but she seems nice. She could be intimidating. Have you ever met her? No, I don't think so. I could see that, too.

She's probably warm, but just an intimidating person because she's like so accomplished. But they're also a New York City couple. So I'm surprised you don't get more like spotting I know I do sometimes like at dinners and stuff but you know nothing like there's no really like there's no goss about them like people any goss I post if it falls through the cracks like going forward know that it's fake and I made a mistake because they're just like you said a normal couple who love each other and have a great marriage that's so beautiful what are do you think are some of the people celebrities or like shows whatever it is that have the craziest fan base oh my god well Selena Gomez um her fan base was mad at me yesterday because I posted a picture of somebody who I thought was Selena with Dylan O'Brien and they're like you're so fucking stupid that's not Selena that's some

Brazilian influencer her name is such and such people were messaging me like you're pathetic I'm like you're really oh my god really mad because I misidentified somebody. Like, that's what you're mad about? She has one. Okay, ones that you wouldn't expect. Lauren Graham has a lovely fan base. They're very polite and so nice. Every time I post a sighting of her, they'll be like, thank you so much. We were worried about her.

Like, they're so thankful and polite. thank you so much we were worried about her like they're so thankful and polite um Dakota Johnson has a crazy fan base from 50 shades I think maybe that's surprising yeah um and who else oh Robert Pattinson not surprising crazy fan base they hate Suki they're always trying to tell me their PR and that like the they're they call the paparazzi you know they're always trying to tell me their PR and that like the they're they call the paparazzi you know they're always trying to convince me of that um I'm trying to think like any obscure ones the law and order one yeah there's like that is pretty obscure yeah there's like some crazy obscure ones um that if I when I encounter I'm like this is great because it's so interesting it is interesting and I that's so interesting. It is interesting.

And that's fun to think about. Our fifth and final story. Well, you know who has the craziest fan base of all? The Real Housewives fans. And Jackie Goldschneider has just given them content for days. So ED survivor Jackie Goldschneider blasts Bethany Frankel's Skinny Girl. She said, fuck you. Jackie Goldschneider, who has been open about her lifelong struggles with an eating disorder,

is calling out Bethany Frankel for creating a brand marketed after a thin female physique. She said, quote, Bethany has skinny. Well, so she was on this virtual reality podcast live taping at City Winery last night. And a question was asked about like Skin girl versus tipsy girl like cheater brand thing and Jackie Goldschneider said quote Bethany has skinny girl and I've got a very strong opinion on this one because I say fuck marketing skinny I'm sick of fucking marketing skinny I don't want to drink something because it's going to keep me skinny so fuck you Bethany fuck your skinny brand that's how I feel um and then yeah which is it was a really strong statement do you watch all

like these housewives oh yeah I'm like deep into New York and New Jersey um I thought I think she's not wrong that's just a very aggressive response but I think Bethany deserves it like she's so abrasive and aggressive lately so I'm happy to see someone giving it back. Totally. I agree. Like the, she's not wrong. It was like a very strong statement, but that's actually exactly how Bethany would speak about a brand that she felt that way about.

So let's see where, what Bethany responds to this. It's just someone like kind of like going toe to toe with her and giving a taste of her own medicine. No, I totally agree. And she actually back to fan bases she has a crazy fan base do you see how they will defend her on TikTok do you ever read the comments Bethany yeah you know I'm not on TikTok oh okay you're smart um I like on TikTok you guys Claudia posts like the cutest TikToks of you guys yeah so she I used to have a TikTok.

It's still there. It's literally like perfect. Me doing the renegade like back in the day. But then I deleted it a few years ago. And like now I won't, one, I can't get back into my account. So if you know what I'm on TikTok, I just do want access to my account. And two, I just, I don't have enough time to, to lose that amount of time in TikTok. And I feel like.

You're smart. Some of this stuff that people are watching, like some of it's cool hacks and interesting facts, but some of it is so fucking dumb. And I need to preserve my few brain cells that are left. But I do spend a lot of time on Instagram. I feel like maybe if I had TikTok, I would spend less time on Instagram. But I'm glad that I actually really like TikTok because people love the clips from the show.

They always like say really funny things in the comments comments I literally will have Claudia screenshot me comment sections so it's like I see what goes on but in terms of things that are trending or what Bethany's doing on TikTok I have no fucking clue yeah the comments are the best part of TikTok but if you look at anyone listening I'm sure your audience is like plugged into this Bethany's comments like they defend her like they will stand up for anything she does no matter how fucked up it is and I think that she's been very mouthy lately and it's turned me off personally like I've never been a huge Bethany fan but I always just kind of enjoyed her on the show and I like to follow her career I think she's a smart businesswoman but she's been very polarizing lately and they'll defend it it's crazy yeah oh I didn't realize so many people were

defending her because all I see is like all the headlines where it's like the people who speak out against her or who she's coming for and I feel like most people are not here for it but I guess her fans are still intact yeah and I also want to know like who she's fucking at page six that she gets like literally multiple headlines a day. Like I don't like she'll review a blueberry muffin and they'll be like, Bethany says blueberry muffins suck. And that'll be like the headline. And it's like, what?

Like, she's smart, but she must know someone there that's giving her all this exposure. Oh, that's so funny. That's like Kelly Ripa and People Magazine and Hello Magazine we call it Kelly's mindless news because like literally Kelly Ripa will post a picture of her carpet and it's like Kelly Ripa not even her carpet the carpets in like the corner of the picture of herself and it's like Kelly Ripa's gorgeous new carpet like get all the details and it's like if you actually went to the picture it's not even in there so yeah she is plugged in somehow well I feel like with people magazine like they really go by what their audience responds to so they must have an audience that's like super into Kelly Ripa

do you know what I mean because like I you know I'll talk to people at people magazine and I'll it's interesting to see like who what celebrities celebrities like they'll post, they'll post or write about and what celebrities they won't only because their audience is not into them. So. That is very interesting. It is. So you're saying it's the people's choice. People Magazine is, is actually the people's choice.

Yes. That, and they also do like like they do like crazy human interest stories that Claudia and I love and I feel like those really do get a lot of clicks yeah fucking nuts no they do so that's that's like why they're probably posting Kelly Ripa but like as far as Bethany and page six like maybe it's the same case for her over at page six but I just I don't see it like I sometimes they put they report on things that are just like dumb when it comes to her. That's so interesting. There's a couple other,

like, I feel like also like Demi Rose and the Daily Mail. Yeah. Like she's always in the Daily Mail. It's like, who is she? No, I know that.

Yeah. That's probably someone that does really well for them. Like, did you guys like when Bethany went off on her Kardashian rants and whatnot, did you guys cover that or? Yes, we did. And Claudia felt so strongly about it.

Like she was like, fuck off, Bethany. Like, like, because we love the Kardashians most of the time. And I disagreed with what Bethany said. But like, I kind of like that she like takes a hard stance sometimes, even if it's not where I would plant my feet. Like, it's interesting and it's really extra. I just don't know what the goal is because I feel like she's alienating so many people and she knows it but it must be doing well for her because she keeps doing it exactly like that's what's so

interesting it's like why does she keep doing it I think she went really hard on them for no reason like exactly like she could have her opinions but she could have said it in a different way I don't think she needed to be like so aggressive And I love that they didn't even respond. Of course they didn't. Of course they didn't. It was fucking awesome. What did she want? Did she want to go back and forth with the Kardashians and the media? What did she think was going to happen? Or has she seen that going viral in this way is good for her business? It must be because otherwise, like, what are you doing? I mean, I just I guess my mind does not like work like that. Like, do you guys like try to say shocking things to go viral?

Yeah. Never. And anytime we like have like a shot, like I feel like I'm always saying whatever is unpopular, like and it's not like I do it just to like start some stuff it's like I just because I feel like that's what needs to be said even if it probably maybe shouldn't be and I'm gonna get my ass handed to me no I feel like you guys are like pretty like organically open about like your opinions and feelings but like with her like it has to be calculated just like you were saying I don't know it very interesting. It's a very interesting business model, in my opinion.

I'd like to know more about it. I don't think she would ever be forthcoming, obviously, like how she operates. But there has to be a reason behind it. It can't just be her ranting. Right. Or she's like made all the money that she needs to make. She's happy in her life. And she feels this need to say what's on her mind.

I guess. I mean, I don't know. Like is she. I don't know. Is she still making a lot of money? I don't know. I love that skinny girl popcorn. I'll always get it at the supermarket.

I have to say that when the skinny girl margarita came out, I consumed many, many bottles. It was really good. I haven't seen it lately I don't know if it's still as popular as it was but it was so good do you remember when it came out it was like I do that was like her first thing yeah it was so good but now she does all sorts of food like dressings everything like they're skinny girl for everything more than she even I think promotes she has her skinny girl jeans she had the big shot with Bethany she's got like a lot of other stuff I don't know I think she said somewhere that skinny girl jeans is like her most profitable thing or shape or something yeah she's on like QVC or HSN I could totally see that mm-hmm well good for her yeah I'm sure she'll be I am sure she will

be responding to Jackie Goldschneider though oh god you're right on TikTok on TikTok yeah yeah yeah so those were the fast five stories I absolutely feel like you needed to know them and you needed to know them from Dumois and including all of the other bits and pieces of stories that we might have not received otherwise yeah I mean thank you for I didn't know the time person of the year. So that was news to me. That's what we do here. We're just always sharing things that you, that you need to know and that you might not hear anywhere else. Yeah. I didn't hear that anywhere else. So thank you for, you didn't get a tip that, that he was the front runner. No,

no, I did not. Thank you. Thank you so, so much for joining joining me you guys dumas book is out now it's called a non-please and it is loosely and closely based off of her story about how she became dumas how the account started i feel like that's like an origin story people are always wondering like why is it called dumas but it's just as the book said like a fancy bit of french that sounds nice yeah exactly it's a fancy bit of french that sounds nice it's a made-up word which you know is it a made-up yeah i don't speak french no it's a total it's a more it's totally a made-up word which like in retrospect like was probably the smartest thing because no one can say like i was copying someone else or and now it is like a word unto itself, like Google. Oh, I'm so sorry.

Someone. No, that's perfect timing. Someone's at my door. Oh, have a great visitor. And thank you so much for joining us. You guys, you can follow Dumois at Dumois, obviously, and listen to her podcast and check out her book and then soon, hopefully, a TV show. So we will see you tomorrow.

Claudia, it was great chatting with you again. Anything else that you would like to promote before you go? No, just the book. The link is in my bio. Please, please buy it. Selling a book is no fucking joke. I've said this before. It's not like selling a sweatshirt.

Selling a book is hard. I heard you had some influence. So thank you for promoting it. You're so welcome. Yes, I love to read. This book is perfect. I heard you had some influence, so thank you for promoting it. You're so welcome. Yes, I love to read. And you know what? This book is perfect for this time of year. Like this is a beach read if you're going on vacation and you want a book that you can just like tear through. It's a non-please. Yeah. People have read it in like hours. Yeah. Yeah. It's that kind of book, which is so great. That's my favorite kind of book, honestly. Yeah, it's that kind of book, which is so great.

That's my favorite kind of book, honestly. Yeah. I also have a collab out right now with Mayfair, a merch collab. I saw sickening stuff. Yes, thank you. It's actually going to be my last merch drop for a while. So if you guys are interested, information's on my Instagram and podcast every Thursday. Do You, it's called.

Do You. I love that. Do-da-do-you. Okay. Thank you so much. Bye, Do. Bye. See ya. See ya.