The Toast - Bad Habits with Lauryn Bosstick: Friday, June 6th, 2025

Episode Date: June 6, 2025

In today's special episode of The Toast, Jackie is sitting down with The Skinny Confidential's' Lauryn Bosstick to talk about the crunchy life, how motherhood has changed them, the evolution of their podcasts and so much more!The Toast with Jackie (@JackieOshry) and Lauryn Bosstick (@laurynbosstick) See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Good morning, girlies, it's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly, it's the Toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to the toast. I am joined by Lauren Bostic, the Skinny Confidential herself. I'm so excited.

We've been chit chatting ever since we got back together. I have not seen you in so long and we have so much catching up to do offline and online and we're just gonna do it all online right now. Let's do it. How are you doing? Congratulations to you. Congratulations to you. Congratulations to you.

Thanks. Couple of pregnant ladies. Couple of pregnant ladies. What's so crazy is I was thinking back to the last time we podcasted together, which I believe I just, like I was newly pregnant with Harry. So I think I was like, my second trimester with my first pregnancy.

OK. You must have had your daughter. OK. I think you're right. Was that the one where my dad was with us? My second trimester with my first pregnancy. Okay. You must have had your daughter. Okay. I think you're right. Was that the one where my dad was with us? No, that was when you came on the toast like back. I'm just like good with years. So don't think I'm creepy.

2018. I have no idea. We sat in front of a pink backdrop. I just like know what the year was based on where I was and like how skinny I was. So we were in, that was 2018. We were in the toast with the pink backdrop. Your dad was there and he's so great. And that was when you hosted The Toast with me,

but we did your podcast in 2019. Okay, and then we also, I was on The Toast again, and I don't know what year that was, I'm sure you would know. I feel like I was on it one more time, right? Yeah, but I feel like they were close together, and then it's been so long since. And then you were on our podcast when you

Were pregnant with Harry yes, and then I was also on your podcast like once before that and we sang little mermaid Yeah, and that was like back in the day you guys have to come back on Given birth come back on we have to come back on and do like a women's health episode now That's all Claudia and I talk about or like women's health issues. I bet people love it though It's like your audience me thinking peeing. No, that was the topic of conversation today. Yeah, it's true though. I do feel like our audience has grown with us and like we're all sneezing and peeing right now.

Yeah, you're evolving together. Yeah, but I think back to the last time we podcasted together and I genuinely feel like we were two completely different people. Yeah, you definitely change when you become a mother, don't you? You have limited capacity for bullshit. Limit, yes. I feel like very direct, you know, like Kurt, yes, my patience, all of my

patience goes to my children. Everyone else gets zero. So, so accurate. The patience goes to the children. Yeah. But I find, and don't you find that you're more efficient and productive when you have that lack of patience for anyone but your children? Yes, I do.

I feel like I'm so much more just like driven and focused. Yes, because you have to squeeze every second out of the orange if you have a moment to yourself. Like, I just had a three hour flight and you better bet your ass I returned 6,000 emails and text messages and Like fired shots. Yeah, because you don't get that time No, you're so good about that. Like I feel like I've read so many things that you've said about Batching and stacking I got can you stack a batch and I stack like I need to walk on the treadmill and answer emails And I'm gonna do neither of those things. I'm not walking on the treadmill answering emails at this moment right now.

Okay, that makes us all feel better. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. Like a lot of stuff is happening and also with Michael's complaints about his back pain right now, I can barely like squeeze in a moment for myself. Right. But it hurts. Oh, does his back hurt? I saw he threw his back out, which actually really is painful.

Like no lie, it's such a painful thing to go through. I mean, it's painful to be pregnant for two. But when your wife is 100 months pregnant, that's more painful. He is one that likes to show his inner monologue. So I have to hear the whole narration of every single butthole hair. Oh, he doesn't suffer in silence. Oh no. I'm a silent sufferer and I think everyone around me should thank me for that.

Yeah, I'm a little bit silent. I can sometimes complain to him a little bit, but I'm a pretty silent sufferer. So when he's complaining, I'm just like, oh my God, this is your whole thought process. It's just a lot. Oh, that is a lot. I hope he's doing okay. I hope his back is okay. He's not.

He could barely walk me down the street. At least he can take a muscle relaxer. Would you allow for that in your home? Let it rip. Because also you're a crunchy queen now. Like, non-tox. You are. Is crunchy non-toxic?

That's what I think of it as. I would say I'm a crunchy mom But I have goals of being crunch here like you put me to shame. It's no it's I feel like it's like 85% Non-toxic and the rest is maybe toxic. That's good. Cuz I was gonna ask like what are your toxic traits? Oh in terms of like me as a person. no I would never ask you that why in terms of like Guilty pleasures like think like you know like what's not organic. What's not organic um? So I use normal makeup, okay

I try to like reach for lawless because I like the brand, but I do use normal. It's hard like I love NARS Love NARS. I love NARS. I love NARS. I love, like, the Lady Gaga makeup. I forgot. Oh, House Labs. Love that. Like, I love normal makeup. I haven't switched there. I also dye my hair pregnant. That makes me feel better. Oh, okay. That's good. So, I mean, I'm dyeing my hair.

I definitely ordered McDonald's three days ago. Cheeseburger, just cheese and meat, happy meal. Happy hour. I'm... Fuck! Fuck! This happy hour. It's so, I love McDonald's.

I don't do it all the time, but I do it. And I'm a slob about it. Like I'll do it in bed. I have a bed tray. Like I have the best bed tray. Yeah, but we only see it like loaded with like tea. No, it's not always loaded with tea. A calis-

I'm going to take a picture, a colostrum. I need my own picture right now. I need to show, I think like I get so excited, like I went through the in and out drive through the other day and I got so excited that I didn't even have time to capture the moment. I understand. Do you know what I mean?

Like I'm like, oh my God. So I need to capture me. I mean, I just don't think people want to see me like stuffing my face with a cheeseburger. Yeah, no, I don't feel like I know if I like thought about you long enough that like I know that you have things that you do that are probably not like organic or whatever. I don't think you're hiding it from us. You don't seem like someone who's like, no, I don't care. Yeah, I'll tell like I love my daughter and I call it slumber party, where

we lay in bed in our robes with our bed trays and eat a plowman's lunch. Do you know what that is? No. It's like a bunch of different, like, snacks on a plate. Oh, like a tackle tray? Everything. Like, chips and jelly beans and, like, cut up and like we'll both eat our, our, our plates and she'll go on her games. She has like a little game iPad and then I'll watch my like reality television. So like I have stuff that I do that's like definitely like

unproductive. Okay. And I, if people should like, I can be like a total slob to like I will like let the closet get absolutely disgusting and then I'll get like off on cleaning it up. Yeah. That's my goal. Okay. That makes me feel better.

That's what I need to hear. No, it's definitely not like it's my house like is not put together all the time, especially my bathroom is a disaster. I'll blow it up to explode it and then I'll get off on cleaning it up. Okay. That seriously makes me feel better. No, I'm the same way. Like things like pile up and some things are looking good and then other things are not. Yeah, you do. Listen.

It's called balance. I feel like someone said the other day, they're like, I blend. And I feel like that's a good word instead of like, we're all trying to balance. But like blending is like you just you make it work. You do what you can. Yeah, I saw a meme once that was like, but blending is like you just make it work. You do what you can. Yeah. I saw a meme once that was like, my room looks like this messy so that my house can look like this.

My house is clean. My kitchen is always clean because I'm always cleaning those things. Then the time I get into my room, I'm not cleaning anymore. Literally exactly. Yeah. That's exactly it. So I mean, crunchy, I don't know. I feel like I'm very specific about the cleaning supplies that I use because it's made such

a big difference. And I'm oddly specific about, you know, when you get in an Uber and there's like a Christmas tree that smells like a scented cherry raspberry, like I can't do that. It bothers me. Yeah. And my skincare is a mix, but makeup is fully toxic. Okay, I love hearing that. I also feel like, you know,

brands have made it easier these days for things to be cleaner. You know, everyone wants to be a little clean. So like my skincare, I don't have to like look that hard. What do you use for skincare when you're pregnant? Do you do clean? So I feel like every few months I start something new. I try to be more clean when I'm pregnant,

especially with like shampoo and conditioner. Like I'll use like Vagamore, but then sometimes I'll throw in, I love my Milbon, you know, I like I'll treat myself every once in a while. I'm using right now Vanny cream on my face. It's like, I know I never heard of it before, but it's like for babies too. Okay. And apparently it's just like for sensitive skin. That's crunchy-ish. It is, it's accidentally crunchy. I was just having like really, I get redness. That's like my skin issue where it's like rosacea and I was having like more redness than usual. I can like live with a certain degree and I was like, I need something, like I need to scale it back.

So I started using this Vanny cream and it's been great. So I'm going to stick with that. And then I use Rode in the mornings before my makeup and that's been working. And your hair is this color. My hair is this color. You're so lucky. Thank you. I couldn't imagine taking on, like prior in my life I could have been like, oh yeah, I'll

go get my hair done every six weeks. Is that what you guys do? Yeah, every six weeks. Now I can barely get my nails done. I got my nails done today and that was like a big accomplishment. That's also something toxic that I feel like it's... I use Dazzle Dry. What's Dazzle Dry?

It's cleaner and that's not even, I started using it before I was clean. It dries faster and it lasts longer. I can't think of one downside, like I would have been best if I could. Oh, well maybe they'll reach out. Maybe. So what about your cleaning supplies? So I use Branch Basics and for like day to day.

You're crunchy too. Oh no, I'm crunchy and I would like to be crunchier. Like I feel like slowly but surely. You know what's the next thing I'm about to swap? What? My toilet paper. Oh, don't worry, I'll send you. Skinny confidential toilet paper.

I hadn't made that swap yet. I thought that was so brilliant. Thank you. So Lauren has a brand of products, beauty products, and you're also entering our home space. I'm entering the home space. I feel like there's a skinny confidential standard that we have that's not, it's not the crunchie-ish.

It's like, it's ish. Yeah, a lot of us are ish. A lot of us are ish. Or at least like we're on our way. It doesn't happen overnight. It's not like one day I'm just clearing the decks and I'm changing everything, but like I might notice something about something

or I might hear something about a chemical and I'm like, oh, well, that's a hormone disruptor and that's in my shampoo and you know, I wanna be pregnant or I'm like, so it's just every day it's like small things until you make a big change. You literally nailed it. That's and I wanna be pregnant. So it's just every day, it's like small things until you make a big change. You literally nailed it. That's how I live my life.

It's just little refinements. I don't wanna overwhelm anyone, but if I can get a wood cutting board over a plastic one, and you're cutting on it, and you're getting all that plastic in your food, it's such an easy swap. For sure, except the wood cutting boards are harder to clean because you can't put them

in the dishwasher. Like, does anyone want to talk about that? Like it's seriously, I think I just at this point need to get a new one. Just get 10 and I'm stuck. I need disposable. Have your husband chop some wood outside. Do you know chopping wood is really good for testosterone? I feel like I don't even need to be a scientist to understand that.

Like that sounds right. I need him to chop me a fresh wood cutting board every day. That's one where it's like, this isn't my favorite. You know what? My husband can't chop wood because his back hurts too bad. That's good. No, my husband wouldn't chop wood. Can you chop me a couple cutting boards?

I'm asking him to just like water the lawn more frequently because our grass is dying. Yeah, I'm sure they all have complaints for that. It just hasn't happened yet. Yeah, you got to install some sprinklers. I think the sprinklers are a problem for another day. You nailed it. It's just little tiny tweaks that you can make. I don't want to overwhelm people. I'm just like, these are the little things that I've done that I think make a big difference. I have this like weird theory that I want my home

to be a place where my family detoxes. Everything, it's like bright lights and the smog and the pollution and the, you know, I'm at work and there's windex everywhere. Like if I can make my home a little bit more of a cleaner space, it makes me feel good for my kids, but also everyone's nervous system. Yeah. It's just more relaxing.

Yeah. You know? No, that's a really nice way to think about it. What's something that you've done that you feel like makes the biggest difference or a big change in your environment? By far, cleaning the air. Like a purifier? Yeah. The Jasper, I talk about this all the time, has changed my life. Do you have one in every room? How does it work? You don't have to get one in every room.

If you're going to start with one, I would get one in your bedroom and like downstairs where it's like communal. Okay. And it just cleans the air. And the theory is, is like, we're all so concerned about the water that we drink, but the air we breathe, we're like fish in air. Yeah. It's like what fish to an ocean is like us to air.

And so it's important that you're thinking about the air because it's so full of so much shit. That one I think is a good one for people who have families. Yeah, that is a good one. I also feel like even when I'm in the city versus like when I'm in the suburbs and I like noticed it a lot when I lived here and I'd like leave the city for a weekend, especially when I was pregnant, I'm like, I feel like I could breathe. And then like just living outside of the city now, it's such a noticeable difference, at least for me, like I used to have worse headaches. I still

have them like, because I'm a headache girl, but it's just not what it was. You know, I bet you that your state now in your nervous system is so much more relaxed from when you lived here. I would bet you that. I think so too. And also just like the environment, like the pace of things, the traffic, like all of those things were just like, they have me operating at such a high stress level. Yes.

And for sure, I don't know if they can run tests, but like your girl has calmed down as much as I can. That's, it's probably like a change where when you come back here, it like kicks you into a different mode. Yeah, definitely. It's interesting.

I feel like it's hard. It's hard if you're a kid and you grow up here and you've never seen anything different besides this because you just think like cortisol, cortisol, cortisol. Obviously there's pros about growing up here too. Yeah, but we did a mix. We lived in the suburbs until I was in high school and then we moved to the city. And? And so I've always yearned for the suburbs and I've always been like, I'm not a city

person. But my sisters are and I just always knew that about myself. Even when I went to college, I went to such a remote area and I loved it. You wanted calm. Calm, yeah. That's interesting and Claude's not like that. No, she is a city slicker. It's the craziest thing. She's a city sl You wanted calm. Calm, yeah. That's interesting. And Claude's not like that. No, she is a city slicker. It's the craziest thing.

She's a city slicker. She would live here forever. She loves it. Is she crunchy at all? No, but I do think the path to crunchiness does start in pregnancy and in motherhood. And even in her pregnancy, she sends me stuff all the time. She's like, what do you think about this? What do you think about that? Like she is taking it seriously because like you start to think about stuff, like everything Matt like, you know, if you use something when back in the day and there's, it doesn't have like, you don't think about the larger repercussions, but now you start to think

about every decision and it just like, then you start looking into it. And so that doesn't look good. It doesn't look good. And you know what the ones you really have to watch, you have to watch the daily habits. So like for instance, toothpaste, that's something to look into, you're putting it in your mouth. Another one is baby wipes.

I- What do you use? I use Kodri. Okay. I got my blood tested like a year ago and they were like, you're so high in triclosan. And I'm like, triclosan? What the fuck is triclosan? So I start Googling, it's found in soap.

And I'm like, but the soap I use is non-toxic, it's branch basics or symbiotica. So what else is this found in? Come to find out it is in a huge famous brand of wipes that everyone uses. And I was using so many wipes. What is it? Just tell me. No, no. What's fucked up about this is that,

DM me and I'll tell you what it is. Yeah, comment wipes. Yeah, comment wipes. Here's the thing. The reason it's annoying is because the name of the wipes is like manipulative. You're using them the whole time. I would use like 600 a day.

That's not sustainable, but I would use like, you're wiping. I have two kids, I'm wiping. Yeah, everything's wiped. Everything's wiped, everything's wiped all day long. Their hands, everything. The wipes have triclosan in them and they don't say it on the package. And I went and did a deep dive. No, they only say one thing. They only have one ingredient.

One. This is one. It's so conniving. But like it's, that's something you're going to use all day long. It's worth looking into. Like if you're going to use a lip gloss that's like has stuff in it and you only use it a couple times a week, I don't think it's as gnarly to look into as like a toilet paper, a toothpaste, a wipe. No, that's a really good point because sometimes I'll do something and I'm like, well, it was just once.

Right. I'm not going to sweat it. I had a soda or whatever. Exactly. But like if I was starting my day every day with it, it's better to be. There's nothing better than a McDonald's Diet Coke. Yeah. No, it's so true.

I haven't had McDonald's in a while, but I have had a lot of Diet Coke and I was eating like Chester's this afternoon. What's Chester's? They're like cheesy puffs, almost like Pirate's booty, but like not even as healthy, like worse. I'm going to try it. They're really good. I also really like Flaming Hot Cheetos. That's another toxic trait of mine.

Okay, yeah. That's like what I wanted to know. Big time. That just makes me feel better about like my own choices. Listen, I, and when I'm not pregnant, I like tequila. Like I. Yeah, tequila's like natural. I like some of the-

It's plant based. Yeah, I guess. I definitely like to, I don't know if balance is the right word, but the daily habits are where you should look. Yeah. That you're doing every day, all day long. Okay, I have my homework.

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they need to grow into healthy adults. Speaking of homework, I listened to your podcast a lot. You have a great podcast. You've been podcasting like forever, which is such a big deal in this day and age. Everyone starts one, everyone wants one. They get to 50. But no one wants to do one.

You podcast, you've been podcasting for how many years? I have been podcasting for nine years, but you podcast five days a week. Yes, yes, yes. No, and I'm not saying what I do is, you know, anything small, but like you have podcasted for nine years. I have. How many episodes a week are you up to? We were doing three and then it's gone down now to two.

And I think that's fine, cause it gives it a little air, a little breath. We also don't do pop culture every day like you guys do. If we did that, I feel like you guys are like almost like a news station. Like I rely on you for my pop culture, celebrity influencer news. If we were doing that, I think we would need to do more, but

ours are more interview-based shows. Yeah, and very evergreen. It's definitely changed, like throughout, I mean, you would hope over nine years that the show would change, but it's become like very educational and very informative. I hope so. I think so. I mean, episodes that I listen to or even like clips that I see, I'm like, okay. I hope. I mean, listen, it's a non-judgmental space where we let people's opinions rip.

Do I agree with every single person we have on the show? No. But I don't want to go to dinner with a table that I agree with. And I've said this many times, I like having colorful people around me. Yeah. I'm very, very into like quirky people and different opinions and not agreeing with everyone. I feel like it makes life fun. So that's kind of what the podcast is.

Yeah, no, and you definitely, that definitely comes through. And I think that's some of the more interesting conversations because everyone's having conversations now and a lot of people are saying the same thing. So it's like nice when you hear something different. Even if it's just enough to like know that you didn't agree with it. It's like, you can even like flex,

like work that muscle of disagreeing. It's honestly a sign of intelligence, I think, to be able to sit and not have to fight back with someone you disagree with. Yeah. You could just sit in it. Yeah. And just be critical thinking on your own. Yeah.

No, it's really true. I mean. What's your favorite kind of guest? I like people who are totally themselves on a mic. I'll give you an example. We just had the medical medium on. He had some wild ideas, but he was so comfortable and confident in himself. And I think that comes through.

It's hard when you get someone and you know this, that is guarded. They have a PR team. They only want to talk about certain things. They want to keep you in this maze of like the corn... They just want to speak without saying anything and they just want to run the clock almost. It's boring. Yeah. Look, you're on a mic. Yeah. So you have to have the balls, in my opinion,

to just be yourself. And the funny thing is the audience, and your audience knows this too, like they can smell it when it's like a PR, Yeah. by my book situation. Yeah. It's boring.

Don't you feel the same way? No, I do. And I also just feel like the act of listening to a podcast is so much like more intentional than it is. Like even when you're on a TV interview and you're just passing by in the airport or the drugstore and it's like, we're not listening to every single, but if you're putting someone in your ears for an hour, like they owe you,

at least their authenticity and just to say something worth hearing, because it's not so passive. And there are so many things people could listen to and they're choosing to listen to you. I think that the ones that do the best, the podcast hosts and guests are the ones that show up and they're not thinking, oh my God, what are all these people going to think of me? Yeah.

But don't you feel like you like that in real life too? Because for me, like a refreshing person is someone who's like not so guarded and like, I don't know, I want someone, the word real is not right, but just like it's refreshing to just be like raw and candid. And like to be an individual. Wow, that's really refreshing to be an individual. Or to speak with one. It's Literally, but also to be an individual. It's actually it is a nice experience Amazing and having your own ideas and like not everyone's gonna like you and that's okay

Yeah, no and like just feeling confident in yourself like take it or leave it and I feel like you really have that mentality I try have an always like it when you started do you feel like your? Mentality about that has changed over time just as you've grown up doing it? I think when it comes to me and you and Claude, I feel like we were, like, born to be on a mic. Like, I am not born to be modeling on Instagram. Like, it's just not my, it's not my forte. I think that I am most comfortable talking over sharing.

I'm curious. I want to interview people. I want to know what's in their medicine cabinet and what's in their pantry. Like that's just my nature. So a podcast feels very natural. If that's not your nature and you're really good at an Instagram feed or stories or TikTok, like you should double down on where you're really good at. You and Claude, your essence to me is through a mic.

Yeah, no, and I feel for me long form. The idea of saying something quickly, like I like to take my time, I like to flesh out my ideas, maybe go down that one and say, oh, I didn't like that, go this way, talk everything through. I feel like some people are like more punchy and they'll like keep it to a minute.

When some people just have like a really good eye and it's like, they'll make something look like beautiful that maybe I couldn't do that. So I do think even in like the space of like influencing and creating like everyone, there are lanes within it. Absolutely. And there's something really nice about a conversation flowing in the right way. Like, You know, it's an art. And it's the art that I like the best. No, it's true.

And you guys have been talking about it for a long time, and I think it's a good thing. I think it's a good thing. It's a good thing. It's a good thing. It's a good thing. It's a good thing.

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And it's the art that I like the best. No, it's true. And you guys have so many guests, but I feel like that also leaves out this variable of like the unknown of what's going to happen in every episode. Right. You never know. Do you worry? Like going into an episode, like, do you get nervous?

Like, will there be meat here? I think it depends. Have I gotten nervous in episodes before? Yes. But also, I think that I just try to show up really, really neutral, like for the guest. I'm trying not to have an agenda. I'm trying to just let them be on stage.

I put the guest on stage and I want them to look their best. And I mean, if they mess up on that, it's not really like a gotcha show. No, not at all. Yeah, I'm not trying to put them in this position where they look bad. I want them to look great, but sometimes that doesn't always happen. I try to support that. Yeah. I feel like most of the time that's what comes through. Yeah. I try to support that. Yeah. I feel like most of the time that's like what comes through.

You're like, oh, they went unskinning. I'm like, you just like, also air is like, gives them an air of like seriousness in the field at this point. I hope so. That's how I see it. I mean, I'll take it from you. Yeah, I'm like, oh, I went off the mic. Oh my gosh.

Thank you so much. You and Claude. I mean, you guys, you guys have no easy feet to be on a mic five days a week. I was asking you off air if you guys get sick of each other or if you don't have a lot to talk about and you're like, no. No, I feel like the fear of running out of things to talk about, I used to have more until I, like there were times where it was like, okay, we literally, well, we'll have nothing to talk about this time.

And then we just like go live and it's all there. And so now I'm like, no, we actually will not run out of things to talk about this time. And then we just like go live and it's all there. And so now I'm like, no, we actually will not run out of things to talk about. And even moving in some ways was obviously a hard for, it is hard, like I miss my girl. But it's been actually great for the show, just having like completely separate lives where every single day we catch up with each other.

And therefore like we're catching up with everyone where we used to have like the same day doing it together. So we're not gonna like, we're catching up with everyone. Where we used to have, like, the same day doing it together. So we're not going to, like, you know, recap it for everyone all the time. And now I just feel like everyone's even more a part of our lives because they're, like, watching us keep up with each other. Yep. And also when she becomes a mother, too. Oh, yeah. It's going to be like, it's going to be so cool to see you guys, like even as like a viewer from an outside perspective of you both.

Because I've been a fan for a long time. I feel like I've been, how long ago was that episode that we did around the huge table? That was like 2017. Okay, so that's a lot of years. Yeah. Not great at math. That's eight years or something. Yeah. I mean, I've been a fan for a long time. And to see you both become mothers is like crazy.

No, I'm really excited for her. I forget where I said this. I don't know if it was like private or public, but it's like, I learned so much from her every day, like in our job, just as creators, like just as a person, like as a friend, as a sister. And I'm so excited to see how she does motherhood and like learn from her. I think she's going to get a little crunchy. I think she will too. I really do. But I her. I know she's going to get a little crunchy. I think she will take on it is going to be like just refreshing and funny. And I'm excited to like, learn from her on this. What do you think the most overwhelming things going to be for her?

Yeah. Oh, the mess. The mess doesn't like a mess. I think that's going to like rock her. What's been yours? I mean, these days it's probably sleep, you know? Yeah. I have a couple hacks.

In the beginning it was breastfeeding that like really was hard for me. It's overwhelming. It's so hard. And I never thought, I was always like, oh yeah, I'm gonna breastfeed. And I never like, I never thought about it. And then you give birth and you have to breastfeed

and they're like every three hours, but it's like every two and a half because the session is 30 minutes. And it was so painful for me, but like it was so important that I really wanted to do it. And I did do it. Just the first time I just, it was very, very difficult. And that like was very overwhelming for me.

Okay. I just finished Hilaria Baldwin's book. It just came out. It's called Manual Not Included. Is she coming on your show? She's not. Okay. But she can if she wants. She has seven kids. Yeah. And she gave this tip about breastfeeding and I feel like we should like listen to her. She has seven kids that she's breastfed and she was doing two at once. Tandis. Not the tandis. So gnarly. And she says, and I don't know a ton about breastfeeding, so everyone could tell me in the comments if this is true or not. She says that she would pump every 30 minutes for only three minutes. Okay. Is that true? That's the

thing. It's like a power. She like stimulate your boobs to make She never ever had to like actually pump for milk Because she was just like stimulating them. It was all day long because she would stimulate every just for three minutes She said it was it's way more efficient to just do it every 30 minutes for three minutes put it down Yeah, I think that's definitely a strategy what I noticed and it's hard to compare because the second time is always easier. The first time is the hardest and then with the second baby, it's easier. Like you have more supply and like you know what you're doing. And so I had a much easier time the second, like a brief, like it was a dream scenario. No supplementing, I breastfed for like as long as I wanted and then moved on.

And I would like pump once a day just to like get out any extra and like keep it in the freezer. And you didn't do like every hour or anything? Of feeding? Of like pumping? No, I really I only pumped like in the morning just to like make sure I just like was emptied out from the night. Okay. What's the pump that you used?

Spectra, the blue one. Okay. What do you use? I think I fucked so long ago. But I also I hate... I got the one that Amanda Hirsch from Not use? I think I fucked so long ago. But I also, I hate- I got the one that Amanda Hirsch from Not Skinny, Not Fat told me to get it.

I think it's the one that like is the to-go one. LV. I'm gonna text it to you so we can put it in the show notes. I think it's the LV, because that one's great for to-go. But don't listen to me on recipes. You just like put it in your things. I'm not the recipe.

Listen to you. I used it like when I went out, like my first night out. Okay. You use Spectra. But if you're like home and you're went out, my first night out. Okay, you used Spectra. But if you're home and you're charged, Spectra's super powerful and it was good and I really liked it.

So you only did it in the morning? With Charlie, yeah. I would feed him in the morning and then I would empty out the rest and then feed him throughout the day when he was hungry. So every two and a half hours? Yeah. Yeah.

And how long do you do it for? Six months. That's a long time. Yeah, that was my goal. That's how long I did it with? I, six months. That's a long time. Yeah, that was like my goal. That's how long I did it with Harry, but I also had to supplement a little with Harry because I wasn't producing like as much as I wanted. And it was just like, so I did more supplementing and then at six months, like it was, What's your favorite formula?

Well, I don't think you're going to like this. My, both times I've used Mfamil. I don't have any judgment about formula. I don't know enough about it. I don't know. So this is like an area that I'm not, I times I've used Mfamil. I don't have any judgment about formula. I don't know enough about it. I don't know. So this is like an area that I'm not, I don't give advice. I don't know about it.

I don't give advice either. I just, like, I know there are all these like new wave ones and like some of them like seem so great. We just had the Bobby founder on and that seems like a really good one. Right, I've read so much about it. We've like used Bi-Hart before, I've seen Kendemil. I see like really nice ones on the shelf. It's like goat milk, European. Then

you see like, yeah, the European ones. Yeah. I just was like, I want one that's been around a while. I get that. You know? It's, it's really- But I didn't like it. Like I didn't, like, I wouldn't be like, like- Maybe I'll get a collab. Maybe you should cut that out. No, I don't think I want a collab because I don't even think I would like, it works for us and I'm like, it worked and it was good, but like, there's just something like, and I think they're like going to recalibrate the formula industry a little bit because it's just really, there's a lot in there.

I mean, I might just buy a goat. I think you should. I think you should or you'll do raw milk. Yeah, raw, a cow. Oh, but goat's milk is apparently better. I saw pictures. Also, I became so interested, like fascinated by breastfeeding once I started.

I was like, oh my God, like what? It's crazy. It's crazy. And I'm like, and I feel so like tied back to like women throughout history, you know? That are turning better. That are turning better or even like, oh my God, a wet nurse, goals,

like you get to have a breastfed child and you don't have to do it yourself. But I was like, oh my God, a wet nurse goals. Like you get to have a breastfed child and you don't have to do it yourself. But I was like, what did women do who couldn't breastfeed back in the day before there was formula? Wet nurses, right? Well, they would either do wet nurses or- A goat?

I saw a historical photo of a child feeding from the teat of a goat. You know what? Apparently goat's milk is most akin to human's milk. A goat being my wet nurse, jumping the shark. It's so unbranded. I feel like I've jumped the shark. Cause it's so interesting, what did people,

Formula Now has solved this issue, but before that, if you didn't have a wet nurse like And some people like can't breastfeed or it's like they're not making enough. Like what do you do? I think you don't like pump really don't well, I'm sure they have like man. Yeah, I'm sure they did too But isn't it fascinating to think about it's out of control It's what's so crazy to me is after I gave birth to Zaza My first daughter is that like you go through all this with your body and it's so intense and it's every single facet literally of your body basically. And then

they're like, okay, breastfeed. And for me, it was like overwhelming. I was like, oh my god, I've just had every facet stretched. And then it's like, and this is like the worst one yet. It's a lot. Do you ever have a clog? I've the worst one yet. It's like, it's a lot. Do you ever have a clog? I've never had a clog. Oh my God, I was getting so many clogs the first time. But they also say like, you get more clogs the more you pump.

Cause it's like, no, I've never had a clog. I've also never had mastitis, which I heard is the most painful thing ever. I was getting a clog a week. It was so painful. But like, you need home from work sometimes. Like it was so. Can't you have your husband suck it out?

Yeah. Did he do it? Yeah. Oh my gosh. Winner, winner. But then the science changed. In between my two kids, like, literally the science behind clogs changed. It used to... They used to think that it was a clog, like an actual clog.

So you would need to like, melt it. Like, something stuck. Okay. So like, you would put heat. And then the thinking changed, like, literally six months later, melt it like something stuck so you would put heat and then the thinking changed like literally six months later that it's actually inflammation and you need cold and so everything that you were doing like rubbing like killing yourself hot showers that was making it worse that's really interesting because I remember putting those hot packs on my

boobs yeah but now the thinking is cold look I feel like you should do like a breastfeeding post you seem to know like a lot about it. No, I really got in the weeds with it. So you need to do cold. That's what they say now. I might be texting. But that's like everything, you know, baby should sleep on the front, baby should sleep on the back, like how just the recommendations change all the time.

All the time. So you really have to do like what feels right for you. So if you're going to co-sleep, is there a certain side? Oh, co-sleep is my favorite subject. Not for me. I would just go with the side that's more inner to the bed. Do you put like a round, what are those like round? Like do what's it called? Yeah, do you put something in there?

I didn't. So you just do the baby on a sheet? Yeah, like just in the croft. And you lay rigor mortis on your back. Or like sea style, where you're like cuddled in. And that's so nice to wake up to. It is nice to wake up to. I'm going to try it, I think.

Because you know when you like have a sleeping baby and then you put them down finally and then they start crying because you put them down? Yeah, they want to be in your stomach still. Yeah, like, but when you never put them down, they just will sleep longer. Like, then of course, like then we have to like, you know, transition to a crib and like that was a hard, but it was, it would have been hard if we did it at one month or five months. So at least in those early days, we were getting more sleep. I have this really crazy, this isn't crazy, but I just wouldn't want any electronics around

the baby's head. Yeah. Because here's a crunchy mom thing I am learning so much about how like the Wi-Fi and the EMF like Baby's heads are obviously softer than adults. And so the EMF like goes into their brain easier Interesting. They have such a soft school and listen Like don't quote me go read about it. Do you have the thing on the back of your phone? I do I have the thing on my back of your phone? I do.

I have the thing on my phone. I've been targeted so many times. I've made a cart so many times. I just like, I re-bought it. I love it. You love it? I should get one? It's a little sticker.

Yeah. I think, listen, anything that can help helps. My Kindle's on airplane mode, but I just, like if I'm co-sleeping, I think I would have to read a hard book. Like I don't think I would want to read a Kindle. To pull up your Kindle. Yeah, I probably wasn't even reading at that time.

So you were just asleep, dad. You're so tired. We were actually in the really early, like newborn, newborn, like days old stage. We were watching TV. So you're so tired. Watching TV. Okay. And that's fine.

That's the way. And that was fine. Yeah. I just like, I'm like learning so much about the cell phone. Well, I have a super crunchy friend and we were just like on a girls night, like we stayed at a hotel together. So she was like saying how she doesn't sleep

with her phone charging next to on her nightstand like that it's awful. It's awful. It's awful. Yeah. Okay. Don't sleep with that phone. And by the way, I want to say this.

I used 10 years ago, I used to sleep with my phone next to my head. So this is not judgment, we've all done it. I sleep with my phone now outside of the room on airplane mode. I saw you just did an interview in the cut. I was just reading it. I'm so serious about that.

But this is 10 years of figuring it out. It was not something I just woke up with. Okay. And I just feel like it's too much on the nervous system. And I don't know. We just don't know enough about it to be sleeping next to your head. Yeah. Okay. But I'm not the expert. I should have brought a patent paper to write down on my takeaways from today. This is like my homework. I don't know why I'm thinking a lot about the phone. I really came here to pick

your brain. I feel like so often I'm like looking for a prod or like just like, oh, what should I use for like this in pregnancy? Even like prenatals. I'm like, well, what does Lauren use? And I literally stalked your Instagram and use ritual. I think ritual is just like simple and it just gets the job done and it's like, you know what you're getting. That's overwhelming too, the prenatal.

It's all overwhelming though. It is. Yeah, every single person has the intention to do their best for their child. This is what I've learned. So if they're giving their child something that's perceived as like bad, there's an intention usually there that's good.

So we're all trying to do our best. Yeah. It's not easy. No, it's not, but you gotta, I mean, it's just like, there's no choice. Like, yeah, that's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna think about these things. You know with school too, like it's impossible. It's like, is it private? Is it public? Is it homeschool? Is it this? Is it that? Do you want them on screens all the time or do you want them in an entrepreneurial school? It's on it. Like, it's just, it's, it's not

easy. Yeah. It's a lot of different choices. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think there's one right way. There's a lot of different ways. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think there's one right way. There's a lot of different ways to skin a cat. And every child is different. They're all different. They need different things. Yeah. Yeah, I think you just got to really pick and choose, but there's not a perfect option.

Yeah. I think you sacrifice in any area. Yeah. But the phone thing, I've been thinking a lot about about where it's going next. I know that's like very weird, but like, I don't want to like be put, you know how when you're carrying your baby and it's like right? Yeah, or like they're sleeping and it's like right here. It's too much.

I want it away. Yeah. I don't know if that's like just something that is happening this pregnancy. Yeah. No, I feel like it's a gut feeling. Yeah. And then you just listen to it is probably best. And don't you feel like when you're done with work,

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You did not tell me that you don't go on TikTok. I don't either. You don't either? I wouldn't know. Neither of us would know because we're not on TikTok. Well, I'm on TikTok. Like you have a brand, but your team runs it. I send my team what I want to post in the caption.

So I like will micromanage the content and send it to them. That's perfect. I don't like, I don't go on there. Oh, this whole pregnancy. I have not been on TikTok in, like I haven't had a TikTok in years for a bunch of different reasons. Like I don't know when I first deleted it from my phone,

maybe like the first like privacy scare issue where it's like they're spying on us. And I was like, oh, okay, bye. And then it like comes in and out. That's not like the whole reason anymore, even though like, yeah, don't spy on me. But I just realized for my mental health, like I already spend a lot of time on my phone.

I work on my phone, like I'm not, I don't need to increase my screen time by one minute. And if I'm on TikTok, it will be by five hours. Like it's, there's nothing there for me. And I find people like, it's so in the weeds about like these minor dramas from TikTok. I'm like, well, if you come out of your phone for a moment, like that doesn't exist.

I've never heard of that. TikTok feels like the Daily Mail. It's a bunch of stuff that I don't, like you just said, don't know that I need to know. You don't need to know it. I don't need to know it, but also, the second I got pregnant and I went on there, I'm really big on like listening to my intuition.

And there was something that was like, it was very low vibration. It didn't feel like, it didn't feel good. No, it's not making you better. I would be programming in my phone and be like, Louise, hey, affirmations, or trying to get stuff that I wanted. But still, you just see a bunch of shit that you don't need to see. Yeah.

I feel like. No, and I feel like the overall goal of TikTok is not to make us better people, more informed, smarter, like interesting people. It's to make us like lazier and stupider. And I'm not falling for it. Yeah, I don't know. There's something about it that doesn't feel uplifting. I wouldn't say it's uplifting. I think that's a great way to put it. No. And also like my friend has a great rule. He only goes on TikTok when he's on the StairMaster and he's on the StairMaster.

So he's earning it. Yeah. So he's earning it. And I think he does the StairMaster like twice a week for 30 minutes. And that's his TikTok. And if you can create boundaries around it, great. That's good. The endorphins outweigh the low vibrations. I mean, I just don't, I don't know. Maybe I'll feel different after I'm pregnant, but as of this moment, I can't do it.

No, I feel like that feels right. But it's good that your business is, like you yourself are still posting on it, so you're like in the mix. I'm in the mix. I'm like, I'm at the party, but I'm not at the party. Yeah, no, I feel like that's the best way to do it. Cause like it is good for business.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's good. We have a toast pod, we've gone viral apparently. Many times, I'm sure. Cause we both clip, and that's like been good for the show and people hear about the show. Great, great, I don't want it on my phone. Well, when I was a little girl, my dad used to tell me, don't read your own press clippings.

And the problem with TikTok is when you get in those me, don't read your own press clippings. And the problem with TikTok is when you get in those comments, you're reading your own press clippings. And I'm not just talking about negative comments. I'm also talking about comments that suck your ass. I completely agree. I always say this. I have my DMs turned off, like my auto response. Like you can't just reply to my stories.

And it's not even for the haters, which of course I don't want to see you and I don't want to know you. But it's also like, I don't want like so much immediate, like positive affirmation. Like, oh, you look so, like, I don't want to see you and I don't want to know you. But it's also like, I don't want like so much immediate like positive affirmation. Like, oh, you look so, like, I don't want that all in my head. It's like not a human, like it's just not a, like, we're not designed to process all of that.

And I also don't want to post something to my story and then be like, well, no one's saying that I look so great. And I just, I don't want to measure myself in any way by that, positively or negatively. And it's like, this is me. You can go to my page and send me a message if you want, but you can't just respond to all my stories with your initial thoughts. It feels reactive. Yeah.

I think that I might do that too. It is not healthy to get excessive praise or excessive hate. Yeah. I think that we're going to go into this era as a society, I'm assuming in like the next three to five years where people are going to have such purposeful boundaries around the phone. I really think that the pendulum is going to swing and like people are going to do exactly what you're saying.

They're turning off things. They're setting up guardrails, notifications. The fact that like you can just text someone and you expect a response in two minutes is wild. You won't get one from me. It's wild. Sometimes I'm like, I'm so sorry I didn't see this six months ago.

No, that's classic me. I'll wake up in the night, I'm like, fuck. They texted me three weeks ago and I forgot to answer. Just so you know, you could literally text me a year later and I Anyone out there. I will never be mad. Okay, that's good to know I am not like anything if you get so personally and like I know it's so offensive Like I don't think it's offensive at all. I just like I saw your text It came to me at a time when I couldn't respond I'd left it open and then I forgot about it

I'm living my life. I time when I couldn't respond, I left it open and then I forgot about it. I'm living my life. I mean, I don't understand. I am literally living my real life and being present with my children and it's nothing personal and I don't expect it back from you when I send it right away. And if you miss something and you miss an event,

you do what you can do. Yeah, no, like the mental battery that it takes for me to respond to a text message is a lot. I think it's like more than the average. Like it takes everything from me. Like it's so hard or like even on like my birthday when I have so many birthday messages. Oh!

I literally just thought, okay, so it's mother's day yesterday and these are so sweet. I didn't want to complain about mother's day. I'm like, thank you, thank you. And then my birthday's two weeks later. Oh my God. I'm like, thank you, thank you. And then my birthday's two weeks later. Oh my God. I'm like sweating. I have to like leave them all unopened or else I will not respond to every single one.

And then they're just like unopened for hours. And then I'm like, sit down. I'm like, but you want to like be like, like, hey, how are you? Happy birthday to you. How's your day? What'd you guys do? The worst is when it's like, happy birthday. Like it's someone you haven't talked to in like years, like someone from high school

or something. Happy birthday. And then it's like, and then it's like, how are you? And I'm like, oh, no, it's a trap. It's so I find it so difficult. And I don't know what that says about me or like why I am this way. Too much. My husband's the exact opposite when he's like,

why can't you just answer text message? Like you're literally sitting in the car. I don't even answer Michael. Oh yeah, no. I mean, I love a voice, no, but I can only do it to like super close people. You know, that solves some of my problems. That, you know what has solved a lot of my problems? Two things. Voicing the text. Talk to text. I talk to text all day long. Me too. That's how I run my whole business.

So formal. Like confirming receipt will be back to you soon. My assistant is printing out all my voice to text notes for like the funny ones for my birthday, she said. And there's so many things that are wrong because your voice to text me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's really good. But I also got a keyboard.

This is how much I hate texting I got a keyboard and you put the phone in the keyboard and you type on the phone back So I go to the footspot with the keyboard and I respond for an hour to as many texts as I can on The keyboard because I cannot be typing little blue. There's something about it. Like it actually my cortisol Right, that's what it is cortisol. I be typing little blue. Something about it like it actually like cortisol, right? That's what it is. Cortisol. I don't expect to text back either.

Yeah. No, it's like I didn't send you a text so that you had to respond. I just sent it so that you would receive what I'm saying. Yes. And also like if someone wants to spike my cortisol to 6000, say following up. Oh yeah. I'm like, fuck, I'm a piece of shit. Following up is really like condescending energy.

It is. And it makes me really. Kindly following up. What if it's kind though? Still hurts. I almost would rather just do like, let me know. Or just like pretend like you never asked and ask again. Be like, hey.

Or like, no worries if you can't do it, but just let me know, it's fine. Yeah. But the following up, I'm like sweating with hives. Yeah, no, that's really rough. Oh my God, I'm cracking up. Well, before I let you go, I just wanna talk some business, because we didn't even talk about half your stuff, because we got into the weeds.

The Skinny Confidential business, like I saw that you have a new product launching. We do have a new product coming out in a couple months. But what do you have, you have so many things. It all started with the ice roller. The ice roller is really like the iconic, like cult classic, because I really think we reiterated on it to make it better and prettier, which is what we try to do.

And from there, it's gone into like a travel roller and a dry brush. The balls. I like the balls. The balls grip your face. It's so funny because on your podcast before we had the product line, we talked so much about lymphatic drainage. You know, that was like your thing. It was like the most natural product and influencer could have come out with. It's like you doing ice rolling. It's so natural. I think your audience, and I think it was your audience, I'm almost positive, thought that I would name

my first born lymphatic Bostic. That's so funny. I feel like they would. I remember the conversation completely because everything that I was asking you, you were like, lymphatic drainage. I'm like, what do you do for hangovers? You're like, lymphatic drainage.

I still do it. Everything. Pregnancy phase, lymphatic drainage. I know. I try, and when I do my moisturizers in the morning to put them on, and ever since you, I don't go up, I only go down. I love it. So you go up on the face and down.

Yeah. And then down, and you can feel it. You can taste it when it's draining. Yeah. It's almost gross, but it's puffy. Yeah. You know you're doing what you need to do. Yeah, so I just think our goal is to make things prettier and better and really tap

into your daily habits. Like, that's what it is. It's not like a skincare brand. It's like more just like daily habits and making them better. Yeah, no. And so now you have toilet paper. And now we have toilet paper. And I'm so oddly passionate about this because I learned so much about toilet paper as a

mom. It has formaldehyde, chlorine, all these different things. And we're wiping our most intimate areas with hormone disruptors and endocrine disruptors. And to me, I'm like, wait, I can make this better and prettier. And also, like, toilet paper is so boring to get in the mail. Like, let's disrupt that. Let's make it pretty. I'm gonna send you some.

I'm excited. Yeah, I think you'll like this. I wasn't gonna ask, but I really need some. Oh my God, I'll send you some, don't worry. Okay, thank you so much. And then I also saw it, because you just gave a great interview to The Cut, that you're writing a book, another book.

I'm writing another book. What's this one? So the book, I have not announced what it's about, but it's gonna be something that is like random. It's not like your other books? No, it won't be like the other books. I want this to be like the book. Okay, I'm really excited. It's something that I've been mulling over.

You're the book girl. We were just talking about books. I am not the book. You read so much. I think you read more than me. Oh, reading. I do read. Yeah. I do read. How much do you read? I probably read for an hour a day.

I love reading. Do you have like a reading time or you just like fit it in where you can? That's what my tech should say. I'm so sorry I'm reading. It's my reading time. It's my reading time. Yeah.

I read when my kids go to bed for an hour. And if I wake up early, if I wake up- So if I wake up at six- You wake up before your kids That's like a life hack that I have unlocked. I'm like I'm not perfect at it. Like sometimes I'll wake up after my kids I don't have an alarm. So I just wake up when I wake up. Oh, that's nice, but you're a natural early riser Um, if I'm not hungover if I'm hungover, I could wake up at 830, right? If I'm not hungover, I'll wake up if I'm not hungover, which If I'm not hungover, I'll wake up, if I'm not hungover, which obviously

I'm not hungover, I'll wake up at like 645.7 naturally. But I'm in bed at 830. So when people are like, how do you read? Well, I'm in bed at 830 and I'm probably reading from 845 to 945. Do you watch TV? I don't watch TV in the room because if you watch TV you stay up later. But so do you watch any TV in your life? I watch TV all the time, but only during the day. Okay.

I watch, I love Housewives. I need to do that too. We watch TV like for the show and not that I don't like to watch other stuff. Research. But we just got screeners recently. And Claudia is now watches them in the middle of the day. What's a screener? Like early, because we watch like reality TV.

So now we get like screeners. So they send it to us like a day early. I would love a screener for summer house. We thought so hard for screeners. How do we get a screener? We don't have to watch live, but it's like, if I want to watch, watch what happens live, then I do have to stay up till 10, but I'll be okay. I'm better off reading.

I thought you meant like you have someone who's watching the TV and giving you notes. You think so highly of us. Yeah. No, we just can watch it earlier in the day so we don't have to like stay up for it. Yeah, so that's your job. Yeah. You don't have time to watch TikTok, you're screening. Right.

Yeah. And I want to read. I would try to watch the TV during the day. Yeah. Because the problem is if you watch TV at night, like I'm gonna tell you right now, if I watch TV at night or look at my phone after 8.30, I'm fucked. I'm not asleep.

Do you have a landline? No, I'd love a landline. What if someone like needs you after 8.30? Too bad if everyone's murdered, we're gonna have to figure it out. I'm offline at 8.30. For me, I'm like, well, the solution to that is a landline. Call a friend.

Do that. What does that mean? I'm rigor mortis at the solution to that is a landline. Call a friend to that. That ain't me. I'm rigor mortis at 8.30. Does Michael keep his phone on? He's not allowed to keep it. This is like our biggest fight. OK, tell me. He's not allowed to keep it in the bed.

There's no phone in the bed. Our bedroom is for fucking and sleeping and reading. There's no phone. And when he gets that phone out, you should see my energy. I'm like, no. The bed is not for the phone. So if he wants to be on his phone, he can go out in another room. And as far as watching TV, he has a mini iPad and he, I swear to God, this fun fact, he goes under a barefoot dreams blanket and has to watch it under a blanket. Oh my God. That's so fun.

to watch it under a blanket. Oh my god. That's so fun. Like a child. Yeah, I'm like these, this is like the phone. I'm just done with it. Do you have a TV in your bedroom? No. Well, there you go.

That eliminates it. Yeah. But I watch TV. Okay. I love TV. No, no, no. I'm learning so much. Like I know all the shows.

Does Michael's phone stay on and in the room when you guys sleep? It's on airplane mode on the charger across the room. Okay. So no one can get a hold of it. Because I'm like sometimes it's like sometimes on some of the holidays, like I'll turn my phone off, but I'm like, well, everyone's Zach's phone is on. So if you need me, like you can reach me via him. Maybe we should get landlines.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah. That's always like something like, oh, I'm going to do that. Well, if you're worried about, I mean, you have four sisters, you have a big family. Why don't you just get a landline? I know I will. Claudia has one. But like, don't call it.

Like, you know what you should call it. Do not call me. Do not come. It's for emergencies only. But what if I start getting like spam calls in the night? Oh my God, I'll lose my mind. Maybe not. Change the number.

Perhaps not. No, just listen, we all got to figure it out. I know. I know. We're all, we all got to figure it out. I know. I know. We're all, we all got to figure it out. Send me a letter. Yeah. Carry your pigeon.

I don't know. Like, call me in the morning. Yeah. We all got to figure it out. What is anyone going to do anyway? I know. It's so true. What can I do for you?

Like, what could I do? We're in Florida. Like, I can barely drive. Like, I don't. Yeah. When I'm this pregnant, what am I going to do? You want me to roll on down I'm done like at 830 like the show is over the mouth tape is on the Kindle is out the red light like it's over what kind of car do you drive

cut out the car yeah oh my god okay Because I just, I don't know, it feels like, I don't know, it feels bragging. What is it, a crazy car? I don't know, it just doesn't feel a Bentley. Sweet. I don't know. Go off. Is it a good mom car? Amazing. It's the best car ever. I'll tell you why it's the best car, you can leave this part in. It's the best car because I am like an old person.

I feel like you have a little old person in your shoe of Florida. A lot of old person, yeah. In my shoes. Exactly. It's like you like the old, the old. And this car is designed for an old person. And so it's like a sedan. It's a sedan size.

It's not an SUV. It's the five seats. So I think it's a sedan. It's not like an SUV. It's not five seats. So I think it's a sedan. It's not like an SUV. It's not tall. No, I don't like an SUV. I'm just not a good driver at all.

No same, I learned how to drive two years ago. So then that's why you would like this car because it reminds me of Mr. Magoo, putzing around like I don't go fast. That's so cool. I call it the leisure car. You know what I mean? Yeah.

What kind of car does your husband drive? Bentley. Another low? But he drives the convertible. Oh, but you guys don't have an SUV? No. Maybe we'll have to get one. Interesting.

I know. He wants to get a truck. Yeah, that's cool. I could see that for him. And then that would like solve the like SUV bucket. Cause I feel like, how do you have three kids and you don't have an SUV, but like there you are. I guess, well, I guess a truck. Yeah.

Yeah, a truck. But like, am I really going to be driving like a huge, just one of those like... Like F-150, whatever. I don't even... Not enough. I think it's a Ford. A Ford. That's F-150. Yeah. It's a big, he wants a big... Yeah. I think my's a Ford. A Ford, that's F-150. Yeah, it's a big, he wants a big. Yeah, I think my neighbor has it. I'm not, I got, I had an Escalade for a long time and I did not like it because I felt like an Uber driver.

That's funny, and you had an Escalade before you had kids, right? Yeah, I didn't like it. And then you became a mom and you had a baby. I wouldn't recommend, well, I don't know how to drive. That's not a good car for me. That's not a good car for you. No, it's like, it's too much car.

It felt like I had like a huge BBL every time I'm pulling out. It's too much. I just like a car that's burning cold first. That you can control. That feels like it's in your grasp. I never want to, I'm under the speed limit by 20. Every time people are honking at me,

I just want to just putz around. Yeah. Do you drive on the highway? Yeah, but it's real slow. Okay. Like it's 60. Yeah, yeah, yeah, same. When I do. Yeah. If I have to. If I do. And by the way, I would prefer to be driven. Yeah, of course. Always. Of course. That's next level success. Not even driven like by a chauffeur, like by my husband. Like I'm not getting in the car and being like, I'm like very submissive like that.

I saw a funny video once and it was like a guy being like, if you're a man and like you're in the car with your wife and she's driving, like, what are you doing? What are you just like, passengering? If, wait, say it again. Like why is a man ever driving? Sorry, why is the woman ever driving when you're with your husband?

Some women like to drive, right? I guess, but I don't think so. I don't think anyone likes to drive more than their husband. I'm not. And I feel like the more I talk to women, we all hate driving and we're all terrible at it. I'm also like weirdly scared of it. Like it's just like, it feels overwhelming. Like you want me to drive this like huge thing. Like I'm just not good at some things and that's like, I'm just not good at some things and that's like I'm just not good at it No, you're seriously like making me feel so validated. I just like I just really learned how and I'm like comfortable now I feel like you'd be great in a Bentley. I know I love my Tesla. Okay. I like a Tesla too. Those are adorable

I've been loving my Tesla really works for me But now I have to try out you know, you can't sit in the car when that's charging. I know, and we don't. The EMF, I know. People are like, the EMF, Senior Tesla, I'm like, it's only when it's charging, we're not in it. We don't go far enough that we have to supercharge on the road.

You're going to make your husband charge it too. It charges in my garage overnight. You know another thing I don't do? Not even every day, because I don't drive it that much. Gas. Well, that's the best. I do not go to the gas station. And when I say I do not go to the gas station. I do not go to the gas station. And when I say I do not go to the gas station,

I have ran out of gas 15 times this year. On the road? 15 times on the freeway, on the road, in the bad area. My assistant has to come bring me gas, ask her 15 times. But your husband is responsible for filling it up? If that sounds like he did something wrong. What is the point of having a husband? Yeah, I can't imagine taking on the burden of a gas guzzling car and having to go to

get gas. I can't, like I said, get my nails done. Like, I don't want to go to the gas station. No, no. You need electric. I can be dominant in my business. At home, you can get the gas. No, thank you. I don't want to do that. You can drive.

Like I'm good. Yeah. I don't want to do the gas. No, and nor should you. I don't think I should either. That is so funny. Okay, well, thank you so much for joining me. Thank you for your time.

We are so happy for you here at Toast HQ. Thank you. And we're excited for everything that you have to come. Where can everyone follow you and keep up with you? At Lauren Bostic. And you guys are crushing it. It's so amazing to have you guys as a part of the Dear Media family.

We love it so much. We really do. It's one of my favorite podcasts by far. Thank you. You guys do such a good job. So thanks for inviting me on. That means a lot coming from you. Thank you so much.

And it's crazy that the next time, you have to come on our podcast next, the next time we will have three children. Yes. So good. We'll talk all about that and see how crunchy that made us. Don't get an escalator. Don't get an escalator. Get a Bentley.

Don't fill it up with gas. Thank you guys so much for listening to the toast. We will see you on the next one. Love you. Bye.