The Toast - Beyonce, 'Brina and Baldoni: Monday, February 3rd, 2025

Episode Date: February 3, 2025

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Good morning, millennials. Welcome back to The Chose and happy Monday. Hope everybody's having a gargy, bargy Monday. Oh, it's, I'm feeling so musical after watching the Grammys. It's a gargy, bargy Monday. Yeah, that's right. Jack's here, Claire here.

Time to recap the Grammys, time to recap our weekends. So much to discuss. How you doing? So much to discuss. Yes, this will be a musical episode. Not that the other ones aren't, but we are recapping the Grammys. The five and a half hour show was it?

I don't know, because eventually I had to go to sleep. So I did miss the last three hours, but I watched most of it. I would say I watched, well, it's so insane. Like I went to bed at 11, 15, and I would say I watched most of the Grammys, but I definitely didn't see the most important part until this morning, like having to watch clips on social media. We're gonna get into like of the Grammys, but I definitely didn't see the most important part until this morning, like having to watch clips

on social media. We're gonna get into like a full Grammys recap, but I do wanna say like I do take major umbrage with the abuse of our time. Yeah, that was really crazy, especially because there were so many parts that were easily cuttable. Like it just felt like they got a five hour time slot

this time and they were gonna use it. The beginning was really strong and I'm sure the end was strong because that's when the big awards come out, but like they genuinely wanted to waste our time slot this time and they were gonna use it. The beginning was really strong and I'm sure the end was strong because that's when the big awards come out. But like they genuinely wanted to waste our time. 1000% and you know, I feel like I know what I'm gonna say is like about to get me canceled. But I felt as though the Quincy Jones tribute

was like far too long. No disrespect to the dad, like seriously, Quincy Jones is an amazing, amazing person. His work speaks for itself, but like so much. Will Smith, like so much. There was a lot. And at a certain point, I didn't know like what I was watching in respect of.

Do you know what I mean? Like it went from memorandum to Quincy Jones, back to the fires, back to another tribute, tributing Alicia Keys by Queen Latifah. I didn't know who I was tributing at certain points. I feel like in terms of tributes, they spread themselves a little thin. Too many tributes, too many tributaries.

And I thought that Chris Martin was about to sit down and sing a One Direction song, and I was so fucking excited, and he sang a song I didn't know. So that was a missed opportunity. Like what song? Oh, that would have been nice. Yeah, was a missed opportunity. Like what song? I don't know what I was- Oh, that would have been nice.

Yeah, like a very acoustic piano, like Night Changes. Night Changes would have been nice because everybody's always listening to Night Changes and using it in their reels. Yeah, there's just no reason that they shouldn't, like they- That would have been really pargy. I didn't even think of it now. I'm like feeling foam.

Oh, I thought for sure. And I'm like, this is so sweet. Like, you know, kind of the OG boy band guy, Chris Martin. What did he sing? I wasn't familiar with the tune. Was it even a Coldplay song? I wasn't familiar with the background of the tune. Cause everyone was also liking that.

Playing songs that aren't theirs. And then also everyone was singing songs for California. And there were only so many great songs about California. And then we're just like singing. And they didn't even sing California. California. Why didn't they sing that one? Why did they sing?

Oh, nevermind. Why didn't they sing California Girls by Katy Perry? Like they're actually even better songs. Where was Katy Perry? I know she wasn't nominated. Brutally snub. Not that it was a snub if you don't deserve it. She was like completely left out.

It's not a snub if you're not qualified. I don't know how she could have shown her face. I know when all of her peers. She wasn't nominated. So do you even get an invitation at that point? I mean, if she wanted to present, they would have like totally thrown her a bone. But I think it's I think it's a pride thing. Like it would have been so glaringly obvious

that she wasn't, no one was talking about how many nominations Lifetime's got because it deserved none. But if she was there, we would have been talking about like, oh, that's weird. How many did she get? Oh, none. Has Katy Perry ever won a Grammy

or is she in that category? I fear she might be in the category of like your pop girlies who've never won a Grammy or she has. Katy Perry Grammys. Like people who've never won a Grammy or she has, Katy Perry Grammys. Like people who've never won a Grammy who deserve at least one. I feel like it's her. Yes, she's been nominated,

but she's won a grand total of zero of her 13 nominations. She can't go, I'm sorry. She can't for a Katy self. I just wanna say Prism was snubbed for best pop vocal album. No, like Firework when it was to say Prism was snubbed for best pop vocal album. No, like Firework when it was nominated for best song. She was nominated, by the way, she's been nominated since her foray into music.

I Kissed A Girl was nominated. So it's not for lack of nominations. They should have brought her to sing California Girls. That way she could have come. I'm sure she was free last night. You know she was just like sitting at home. I don't think she's like beefing though. Cause Ariana Grande doesn't go

cause she has beef with the Grammys and like eternal sunshine, even though it was nominated here and there, like it was, it got some snubs also. She like will never go to the Grammys again. Ari. Yeah. She's kind of like the female weekend, except if she were to come back, people would care.

Shade. I don't think there's like beef for Katy Perry. I think it's just like, we'll get him next time. I actually don't have beef per se with The Weeknd. I will say after last night, I think I actually understand him more than ever before. It was just funny how like it was like this big grand reveal and I don't know if like the American people

were super conscious that The Weeknd was actively boycotting the Grammys. It's like he's back and we're like, oh, he left? Yeah. So it was a good performance and I did realize he's kind of like one of the only male straight pop stars. I was thinking that because you asked me if Benson Boone was gay.

And I was like, actually, I don't know. But then I was like, well, who are like the pop boys? And it's like Harry Styles, but he's very gender, I mean, sexually fluid. And I'm like, who are like the straight pop boys? And it's literally the weekend. Post Malone. Okay, but he's like a rapper.

I guess he's like so genre fluid now. He's genre fluid, cause he's also country, but like I would put him there. Okay, yeah, fine. Who else? Drake, Kendrick Lamar. Okay, so pop, you want to say pop. Well, yeah, pop is a girly category.

So if you're a man in the category, like you're gonna be girly. You're a little girly. Well, Ed Sheeran. Ed Sheeran. Ed Sheeran holds it down for the straight voice. Ed Sheeran. What about Ed Sheeran?

Very good. Yes, very good. Maybe that's why he has like so many streams because it's like everyone has to go to the one if they're looking for straight male music. Same at the weekend. We're always saying like, is the weekend an industry plant? No, maybe he's just sort of like the winner by default

when it comes to male superstars. Yeah. It's interesting to think about. Yeah, so we will do like a full Grammy's recap, all the performances, the outfits, the awards, but Jax, how was your weekend? So my weekend was very quiet. We were in bed at home getting over the flu,

which wasn't like actually so terrible to just be cozy watching TV. And you know, I can only watch so much Spidey and his amazing friends. So I actually read my book for the Redheads while they were watching TV and it is so good. This book is so good. And it's been so long since I've read-

Wedding People? The Wedding People. So it's just like a fiction book, a girl, it's you know, present day, she's going, like it's just one woman telling her story of what she's up to. Which- I'm gonna add it to my Goodreads.

It's hard for me to like books like that. I'm surprised that you like it, yeah. No, I'm shocked that I like it so much. It has like a lot of depth. It's not just like a surface lyrics, girly book. Like there are so many interesting touch points, just like good banter, good writing. I was talking to Dana about it, not to spoil it,

but like she is- No, don't spoil it. I just added it to my new trees. No, not to spoil the book, but Dana is loving the book. And it's been so long since like, I've liked just a fiction nonsense book, even though this book is not nonsense, just cause it's really well written.

It's hard for me to care about things that aren't true, that aren't like based on a true story, that aren't telling a larger message of something important. It's just good writing and good reading. And I am loving it. Like I'll be sad when it's over. You should read it. That's so good.

I was like gonna read it, but the fact that you liked it is shocking. So I'll read it. Yeah, no, it's not like just swirly, stupid, boy meets girl smut. It's real, even though like it has that sort of cover. Yes, I thought it was for sure that. No, there's some like really-

I judged a book by its cover. Big themes and really good writing. I failed at my one mission this weekend, which was to see the brutalist. I did not do it. I couldn't find the four hours. Did you watch Da Vinci Code? No, I watched hours and hours of Desperate Housewives.

Oh, and I came up with a thesis. I don't know if you saw. Also educational. Also educational. I posted a TikTok about it. It kind of flopped, which was like disgusting. But I was watching the show and you know, I feel like we've had this conversation before

about how Susan Meyer is very Carrie Bradshaw coded, right? Yeah. You know, insufferable leads think they're so cutesy and they're just awful friends, awful decision makers, awful, you know, women in finance. Like they're so poorly like with their house. So we've always made that comparison. And it wasn't until this weekend that I had this sort of breakthrough because I was watching Lynette

and I was feeling this familiar feeling with Lynette that I really felt when I rewatched as a grown woman for the first time, Sex and the City. Lynette Scavo is very much the Miranda Hobbs of Wisteria Lane. You know? The unsung hero. The unsung hero.

And when you watched it the first time, it was just like, nobody wanted to be the Lynette. It was very not glamorous. But she's the voice of reason. And when you rewatch it now as like, you know, someone who runs a household, who has a husband, who, you know, will be a mom, like you have so much respect for how she deals

with everything in such a funny way. So it's very relatable. And I'm sorry, she's literally the best character. And you couldn't have paid me to say that when I was a kid. And then I realized, I'm like, all four of the wisteria women are literally the sex of the city women, because Gabby is so Samantha.

Like fun, flirty, sexy, like a little outrageous. I mean, and Charlotte is so Brie Van de Kemp. It is four perfect parallels. It is so much so that like this doesn't feel like new information or a breakthrough idea. Like we either had this conversation or it's just so obvious that it's like, well, duh. No, okay, like not you like clowning on my original thesis.

No, it's original and it's brilliant. And to take it a step further, like other four, like maybe this is actually a commentary on the fact that like showrunners can only put women in one of, women. Women. That time I did it. Women in one of four boxes.

Cause also like girls, there's actually pretty even comparisons, like obviously. You think? Lena Dunham is the Carrie in a Brooklyn sense, but there's like Shoshanna is the Charlotte. Okay. It doesn't feel as perfect to me. Jessa is the- Samantha. Samantha, yes.

And then I guess Miranda is the Marnie. It's not as perfect, but like it's these like four stereotypes of women. Are we only one of four? No, see, I don't think that girls fits into this box at all, but there are like so many shows with four female leads and four distinct personalities. I'd be curious to see if there are other like perfect-

It's like type A, B, C, and D. Although I can imagine that Mark Cherry was just like inspired by Sex and the City, like as a show runner himself, why wouldn't he be? Yeah, and I do think most women can really identify as one, if not like a fusion of two. Yeah, who do you think you are? I think I'm a fusion of two.

Yeah, I'm definitely like Lynette with a sprinkle of Gabby. So I'm Lynette with a sprinkle of Brie. Brie, and when it comes to Sex and the City, I can't lie, like I don't relate to any of those bitches. I would say by that same logic, I'm a Miranda with a sprinkle of Samantha because I'm like funny and outrageous, but it's not a perfect fit for me.

No, but yeah, it would be the same thing, Miranda with a sprinkle of Charlotte. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you, yeah. I just feel like, Miranda's just, she's,

I don't know why, you just don't want to claim her. Of course not, that's the whole thesis. That's how the Miranda Hobbs thesis got started. But like I'm happier to claim Lynette is what I mean. Yeah, of course. Because like seriously they did Miranda absolutely no justice in those first couple of seasons with her hair, her outfit, and then like some of her choices.

It was just, of course nobody would immediately be like, yeah, I wanna be that one. Like she had a buzz cut, she was wearing like overalls and she just like, she seriously looked horrible. While all the other women were so fabulous, like above and beyond fabulous. It's like they lost their budget for a stylist when it came to Miranda.

But Miranda wouldn't have a stylist. Correct. She need not be styled. No, you can't put Miranda in a box. Though we just did. That's what I did. I watched so much Desperate Housewives. Ben is obsessed with rewatching it.

Honestly, it's such a good show. It's like one thing we can really agree on. So I pretty much wrote it. Oh, I went to Times Square and I saw our billboard, Jackson and I are on a huge billboard in Times Square. I know, on 44th and 7th, and it's so funny, because we've both posted about it on social media so much, and one thing we've kind of majorly left out

of this big story is right after our billboard, is a billboard for the good guys, we did it together. Yeah, they helped us and like it rotates between us and you would never know that from our content. Social media, yeah. So we also saw the good guys billboard. Also saw the good guys billboard. Right. Very cool.

It's huge. I wish you could see it Jackie. I don't know how big the building is. It must be like 30 stories. It's insane. That's insane. It was so cool. If you guys are in Times Square,

like please take a picture and send a picture because that's something that will never not be the coolest thing to me. I don't care how many, but we've had two so far. But I don't care how many of the awards we have in this world. You will always catch me posting an emotional reel about it. A thousand percent.

I will never get over the coolness. It's so cool. So that's what I did. I don't think I did anything else worth recapping, especially when we have such a big recap coming up with the Grammys. Like it was my whole day yesterday. I sat at like six to watch red carpet.

And by the time it was 11.30, I still hadn't even seen like song of the year. And I actually got angry and turned it off. Yeah, I have a lot of thoughts. It was a very much, you know, if you were taking my blood pressure and emotional rollercoaster, cause it was so strong to start.

And I always feel like the Grammys, it's like they've all these big ideas of collaborations and performers and it just kind of does nothing. But I felt like everyone who performed like really proved themselves last night is like wide for the best new artists. That whole medley was sick. And it just was like, who could possibly win this category? Anyone could win and it would feel right.

It was a really interesting Grammys because I can't remember one in recent history where every category was truly so stacked. Like best new artist song of the year, record of the year, album of the year. Like there were seriously three or four in each category that could have won and there would be no contest for me. You know?

Yeah. So it was really fun to be on like the edge of your seat and really not know who was going to win. Now I have my thoughts obviously on the winners, not Taylor going home with seriously no awards. But- And Billie Eilish. Yeah, that doesn't mean as much to me, but sure.

It's not upsetting to you, but like, it doesn't feel right. Like birds of a feather. And I think that the album that it came off of, like for Billie fans- It's very high streamed. It's insanely like successful and good, like musically. Yeah, and I will say something, cause I'm like extremely hard on Billie Eilish.

I'm not like a big fan of hers. That song. It's partilicious. It's so amazing. And that's what music does. Like it transcends everything because when that song comes on, I'm sorry, like, I want you to stay. Like that's what music does. Like it transcends everything because when that song comes on, I'm sorry. Like, I want you to stay.

Like it's really, and I love you till the day that I die. Like, I'm sorry. That song is fucking beautiful. Like try not crying. Seriously. No, it's really beautiful. That's why I'm saying, regardless of my feelings, I could put those aside and say like the girl was snubbed

for something. She definitely was. it's true. She got zero off of this album that fans have said is her best. Yeah. So. I thought her performance left much to be desired. Well, she's not like big on like the bells and whistles.

You know? No, and you don't have to be big on the bells and whistles if you're gonna like show up with like one really strong category. Songs. No, no category whistles if you're gonna like show up with like one really strong category. No, no category. Like some people really just show up with their vocals. Some people show up with their dancing Shakira.

You know, I feel like she was lip syncing the whole time, but who gives a shake as her dancing was so amazing. You have to lead really strong with one thing if you're gonna be like sort of a stripped back type of performer. And I didn't feel like she was leading with much. For her it's that song. Yeah.

And it was kind of crazy because like Sabrina was right after and Sabrina was firing on all cylinders, 10 out of 10 wardrobe, set design, hair, vocals, choreography, tap dancing, feathers, like everything. And then it was like Billie Eilish in a field in her basketball shorts. It was just like- Yeah, it's good that Billie went first.

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First up, Grammys recap. We will start with the big winners and probably branch off into performances from there. Sounds good? Yeah. So first up was Best Pop Vocal Album, which was the stacked category that would perhaps set the tone for album of the year.

Sabrina. So many of the nominees were, Billie was there, Taylor was there, Sabrina was there album of the year. Sabrina. So many of the set nominees were, Billy was there, Taylor was there, Sabrina was there, Chapel was there. And Sabrina won, which I was so happy. And I think that it was the best pop vocal album of the year. Like it so felt right. It was right after her performance, which was so amazing.

She showed the room what Breaner's about, what Breaner's been about, and what you all had been sleeping on in the industry. Those people sitting in those boxes should be ashamed. Yeah, and she already showed up to the awards as a Grammy winner, because she won one of the non-televised ones, which was probably just such a good feeling for espresso.

So going in, no pressure, she looked, her red carpet look was by far my favorite. She has such a vision. And of course she looked insane, the dress was pretty, everything worked, but it's so cohesive. Everything she does, I mean her red carpet dress really

matched the vibes of her performance. And it overall matches her vibe of everything, this very feathery, old Hollywood feminine. I love that she's so specific with her aesthetic and she doesn't really stray from that. It's- Well also not being boring. Some people have a specific look that they have

and then you can predict what they're gonna wear on every carpet. And while you can like predict the vibe that she's gonna put out what her hair and makeup will be like it is so exciting to see what she does every time and that's hard to nail. So I thought she just looked absolutely radiant on the red carpet when she won I was so happy for her.

And yes, like she stunted on every hoe in that room. Like that performance was really, and you know these are songs she's performed 100 times and she tried, she like, I like that she did something different while not really straying from the original form of the song. I just, I loved every minute of it. The tap dancing, like I was just blown away.

The burlesque feathered, bejeweled, like everything. She's just such a star. I love her. Love, love, love. She did please, please, please. And you could tell she was so surprised. And a espresso. Yes, of course.

Her speech was very like pargy and professional and you know, thankful and that was it. I thought it was a really great night for her. But then what was surprising to me was like, I felt like her performance was 10 out of 10 and like, you know, usually the rest would kind of like fall off from there, but I thought the rest of the performers were really strong.

Like Chappell Rhone, obviously, she's not like my girl, but great performance. And that song is so good, I agree. The theme of like clown rodeo, I wasn't like 100% understanding. That's Miss Chapp. And like the more I see Lady Gaga, the more Chappell Rhone makes sense to me.

Like these are like the artists, you know, Gaga's gonna gog, like I'm not gonna question it. She was being very gog. She's so crazy. Like when she was singing. She was being so crazy with Bruno Mars. She was singing her song and I love that song and I love the two of them and I love Lady Gaga's music.

Like she is so crazy and like stop trying to fight it. Stop trying to make sense and want her to act like a normal person. Like no, she's a creative, let her be. And I feel that way about chapel room too. Like chapel's gonna chap. I feel like we have stopped asking Lady Gaga to be normal. Like we get it now, but we're sort of putting

all those questions we want to ask Lady Gaga. We're putting them on to chap and you're right. Artists gonna art. No, she's making chapel make sense to me where it's like, just enjoy the song. Yeah, the song is what it is. Like, did I understand her red carpet look? Absolutely not. Like not in the slightest.

Do I understand any of it? No. Am I no longer trying to? Yes. Correct. So, but the thing is, I think that's why we like Sabrina so much. Like we understand everything she does.

And like if that were us and we looked like her and we had her talents, like we would seriously do the same thing. A thousand percent. So we see ourselves in Brie'ner. Yeah, we don't have to not ask hard questions. Yeah, exactly. We don't have to hold back.

Everything's just sort of linear. It's all linear when it comes to Brainer. Next, pop duo group performance went to Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars for Die With a Smile. This was actually a stacked category, Usk, Gracie Abrams and Taylor, Levi's jeans, Beyonce and Post Malone, Charlie XTX, Billie Eilish and Ari was also nominated.

But this song is so beautiful. Like it's on another level of like musicality. Yeah. And I thought I was like the only one who appreciated it, but I'm coming to learn that like the song has enormous global success and they just want to grab me. So like this hold that I thought I had on it is not a thing. No, and one of my favorite Instagram accounts,

Lizard P Woods posted a really interesting thing. Statistic. Statistic, it was all the songs that were nominated for song of the year. She posted how many streams they've gotten on Spotify. And Die With a Smile is number two from all those top songs. Birds of a Feather is number one,

Die With a Smile is number two. Wow, Birds of a Feather. Yeah, Good Luck Babe is number three, Please Please Please is number four, Please Please Please is number four, Our Bar Song is number five, Not Like Us, Kendrick Lamar, which swept in those categories is number six, Fortnite is number seven,

and Texas Hold'em is number eight. Wow, I mean, Taylor leading her categories and nominations with Fortnite, she also was for music video, it just really doesn't make sense to me. I actually don't think there's a worse song on TTPD. Like I really don't like it. Well, that's classic Taylor.

And also Taylor has never won song of the year or record of the year. And that's, yeah, even though she's one album of the year more times than anyone else. That's because the singles that she puts forth are bad and the worst on the album. And she's more of an album girl than a song of the year. And I think like, as we talk about Beyonce

and like the album of the year, her finally getting it, like some people write fire songs, some people write fire albums. That's actually a really good point. And you can't be both. And Taylor's kind of proof of that. Even though I do find it shocking that like blank space wasn't song or record of the year, that year.

That's like the only one of like Taylor's lead singles that is probably one of her best songs and also did the best. Like when you think of like Shake It Off, even though Shake It Off also could have been like song of the year, honestly. Now I would say so, but at the time I wouldn't have said so. This has been like a relatively new thing.

I would say since Red are the worst songs, the singles. It's just sort of like Taylor's- Because previously like Love Story, You Belong With Me, those were the best off of Fearless. Yeah, yeah. But it's like a thing about Taylor. And that's why people who don't spend time listening to Taylor, all they know is like the radio hits,

which are just like very kind of built for radio. They're very strategic and that's why they are so popular, but they're not her best songwriting. And so they think that her abilities are just, shake it off. Like, there's so much more than that. And that's also why the fans can't agree on the best songs because we've all sort of gone

on our own journeys in search of the best songs because she doesn't put them forth. There are also just so many that- She doesn't put them forth. Yeah, she doesn't put them forth. Right, like Getaway Car, she never put that forth. That was a mistake. Even Cruel Summer never put forth

and only had its Renaissance for the lover. Cruel Summer put itself forth. It did. Anyways, then okay, next best pop solo performance went to Espresso Sabrina, which was non-televised. Best new artist, Stax, and that medley, everyone performed. Everyone was so good. Benson, Boone, Sabrina, Dochi, Krungingman, I didn't see that.

Yeah, that was like kind of the only part of the award ceremony I didn't understand in its entirety. Krungsie. What was that? Like the band, the guy with the bangs and that like band of people. Okay, that's what that was, okay. Yeah, that was confusing, but that medley was so party.

I don't even know what my favorite part was. And it was very hard on Friday on Benson Boone. And he was amazing. He was amazing. My favorite part was. And it was very hard on Friday on Benson Boone. And he was amazing. He was amazing. My favorite part was Shibuzy who was amazing and showed them all why he is Shibuzy and why I stay standing. But also Teddy Swims was amazing.

Okay, so to Shibuzy's point, I wanna say like, you have been so right about Shibuzy since day one. Like I just can tell also he's like a very kind soul. Like when he talks on interviews, like his outfit was so fucking cute. Like I just love him. I loved that song he played before. He obviously had to play bar song.

I need some good news. Oh, I added it to my liked songs last night. Like you were, you've been so right about your music from day one. Just good for you, honestly, for seeing that. I know this is an original thought. Oh my God, I love Teddy Swims. And Ben thought it was Jelly Roll, like classic.

I love Teddy Swims. I love that fucking song. And I know he's so sick of singing it. Jelly roll. But it's amazing. And you know what? No one's making music like that, which is why he stands out so much.

I don't know if he, I don't think he should have won, you know, compared to like, it's also weird how like Chapel wasn't a part of the medley. She was speaking up. Neither was Green the medley. She was big enough. Neither was Greener. Right, so. Neither was Dochi. Oh yeah, yeah, but they all won other things individually. And they were nominated like for big categories.

That's why they had their own performances. But Chapel were only one, which was fair, you know, like a thousand percent. And you knew she was getting out of her soap box about something. I wasn't expecting healthcare, but yeah, pop off. That feels right. Like people who have worked for you should have healthcare.

1000%. So go off chap. Go off chap with her notebook, which was so Jackie O coded of her. No, it was nice to see people like either don't write anything down, which is fine, or they come up with their phones, which I fucking hate. So sure, get your leather bound notebook.

I love that. Be prepared. Yeah. She knew she was gonna win something. Yeah, something. That would've been, yeah, she was nominated for a lot. Then Song of the Year, Stacks category, as we've said, went to Not Like Us by Kendrick Lamar.

And- As did Record of the Year. As did Record of the Year. So I turned off after Song of the Year. So I didn't see that he won both categories, which considering the other songs were so strong, of course, I feel like this is a disappointment, but I know that this song is like massive with people. It's like the diss track and Drake and the lore

and like, it's a really good song in its category. And so like, it deserves to win. Obviously it was not my song nor record of the year. Right. So it's important to take yourself out of the category sometimes. I feel as though so many of these songs like were so obviously the song or record of the year,

whether or not they were mine. So it's like, it was one that I couldn't even see, but okay. I don't take any umbrage with this. Was it my song of the year? No, but can I respect that it was a lot of people's song of the year and like how it entered so many different parts of culture. Yes, I can. Also, the lore, I mean, how unfortunate for Drake

that the diss track somebody wrote about you literally won Grammy for record of the year. That's embarrassing. He wore a Canadian tuxedo, Kendrick Lamar. I admire his commitment to disliking his enemy. That is something that I find admirable. And that's something you see a lot in men. It's kind of a girly thing to do, to hate your enemy and hold a grudge. So I find admirable. And that's something you see a lot in men, it's kind of like a girly thing to do,

to hate your enemy and like hold a grudge. So I really respect that, I do, in a profound way. So I'm not mad, it wasn't what I was expecting because I think I probably would have said Sabrina or Chap. Yeah, or honestly, especially seeing those streaming numbers, Billie Eilish, because one, I don't know which one's which, but one song of the year is about how the song is written. Like the musical perfection.

And the production. The production. I think that's maybe song. That's record. I think that's record. Okay. And then the other one is about popularity. What was the song of the year? And I do think birds of a feather or espresso

were the songs of the year, but I'm like, I'm not that mad about it. I agree. And this is where like, while I found the weekends, like public tantrum to be really lame and embarrassing, I do understand how frustrating it must be for there to be like no criteria for these awards. And like, are there all these rumors, you know, they say you have to sell X amount. They say you have to do this, but there really is no way of knowing what qualifies a song and what disqualifies a song.

So that frustration and lack of transparency, what they were talking about, like, I agree that's definitely annoying. I don't know if it's enough to like boycott the affair, but, cause for this, like, I don't necessarily understand. It wasn't the most streamed song. You know? Is that why they kept saying the 13,000 voting members?

I think so. Like they wanted us to know. To let us know that they all voted. That's them being transparent. Okay. I do feel like they vote and that's what it is. They don't just like give it to people based on who's coming cause everyone comes.

Agreed. But maybe those voting members like do feel swayed in one way or another, like based on. Gender. No, I'm kidding. Based on a million different things, based on music yelling at them last year, I don't know. Right, well so when we get to album of the year, I do wanna talk about that.

So next is album of the year, and also must be said that country album of the year went to Beyonce, Cowboy Carter. So then it was like very clear it's gonna be between like her and Sabrina. Because if you won one, you would have to win the other. And album of the year. Also notable, notable because if you won one, you would have to win the other and album of the year. Also notable, notable is that she won some,

I think one or two off air Grammys, but Charli XCX did not pick up any Grammys on TV last night. Did you watch her performance? Of any of the major categories. No. I haven't had a chance to yet and I'm so curious how it was cause I've been really hard on her and I wanted to know like how she did.

I'll watch it later. I saw various clips and I know that there was lots of underwear being thrown around. I don't know that it was for you. I will watch it with an open mind. Okay. But Album of the Year, yes, this was kind of always the big category.

This was so stacked between Sabrina, Chap, Billie Eilish, Taylor, the Beatles. Brat. Brat, right. So yes, it became increasingly clear over the night, over the course of the night that it was either gonna be Beyonce or Sabrina because they both won their,

I don't know how you could have the best country album and then that album is nominated, you know what I mean? Or how Taylor could win when she didn't win best pop vocal against Sabrina, so yes. So Sabrina kind of disqualified all the girls when she won that pop vocal and then Beyonce put herself in the race when she didn't win best pop vocal against Sabrina, so yes. So Sabrina kind of disqualified all the girls when she won that pop vocal, and then Beyonce put herself in the race when she won. And Beyonce's reaction to winning country album

was so hysterical. I think she sat in her chair three seconds before and she was not expecting to win. And why did they stop putting the camera on everybody's faces when they announced the winner? Do you know what I mean? They used to have a camera in the face of every nominee. I love that they didn't do that.

Okay, lame. Yeah, they showed people, but I don't know. Not in an organized fashion. Yeah, so. Her reaction was hysterical. Blue Ivy was like, get the hell up. And you could tell she was really shocked. I was shocked, I'm not gonna lie,

because it was a really, first of all, this is a country album that's been like very highly contested by the country community. Like she had to get any nominees. It wasn't nominated for one CMA. CMA, so that's really kind of shocking. And then for it to go on and win album of the year was really shocking. Now I feel this way about so many award shows

that Beyonce's either attending, performing, or just like a part of. The way that other people, I think I've said this before, the way that other people, I feel like I've said this before, the way that other artists, the hosts who we have to talk about, the way they talk about Beyonce is so weird to me. Like when Miley was giving the award to Bruno and Lady Gaga for a duo pop whatever,

and she opened the envelope and before she read it, she was like, I'm gonna say it's Beyonce even if it's not. Like this, it bordered, everybody in the room respects Beyonce so much. And I think that a couple of years ago, they took it to a point that's almost now inappropriate, where it's not like a reverence, it's an obsession. It's like idolatry.

And I feel like it does circle back to that, like conspiracy theory that people were saying that people always like think they're- And by the way, that's why the conspiracy theory became so popular because the way people talk about Beyonce is actually not normal. Like her peers. And maybe I'm a Miley apologists though.

I do feel like Miley actually genuinely loves her. They are good friends. They did collab. Like she's been talking about, I just wanna say she was talking about Beyonce like that before everyone was. So just like. But Trevor Noah in the monologue standing in front of like

the biggest artists in the world and just talking about how we like Beyonce, like I think that a lot of people have- So much so that it would have been weird if she didn't win album of the year because of like how he set it up in the beginning. Of course. Yeah.

No, and it's like, this is a special night for everyone involved, including Beyonce, but also like the first time artists nominated people from different genres. And I just feel like so many times these award shows feel like Beyonce's bought Mitzvah. Not, and by the way, not because of anything Beyonce does, because of the way people act around her.

And it actually feels like not a level playing field. Yeah, I agree. But I think you could say the same thing about Taylor. Sometimes it gets like that's Taylor's Bat Mitzvah. Yeah, but I think a lot of times it feels like Taylor's Bat Mitzvah because she acts like it's her Bat Mitzvah and she's like dancing and stuff. Like not because everyone around her is acting that way. Do you know what I mean? like a little bit of a around Beyonce. It's true, Beyonce is just sitting there. Like she's just sitting there like trying to enjoy her night with her family.

I actually think she doesn't like it. It's weird. And it's like, it's so much attention when like, even in that moment, the attention should have been on someone else. Like if she wins, obviously like the attention's on Beyonce. But people are just like always, like Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars won

and it was like a Beyonce thing. I'm sure Beyonce was actually horrified. Yeah. It was weird and no shade to Miley. Like I love Miley. I just think it's indicative of like, people always are acting so weird. I don't know.

I feel like if she really like hated it so much, like it would get out there and people wouldn't do it. And now I do think about the theory like that people are just not Miley. Miley is separate case, but like people do that to make themselves as safe. Now the Beyonce thing also, now it's obviously not her problem,

but it is really crazy that she showed up with her husband. And I guess as like a community, we're just like moving past the Me Too movement. Like we just are done with that. Well, I think we're picking and choosing, right? Cause there was a time that if a man who was accused of trigger warning, raping a 13 year old, showed up to an award show,

nobody would be dancing with him, nobody would be high fiving him. It's probably one of the most egregious allegations I've ever heard and it's fairly new. So I have a hard time seriously looking at him. It's so crazy to me and everyone, it's totally normal. And this is with the P Diddy stuff all coming out, like I would think people would be like a little bit more. Yeah. Well, it's full of like unscrupuled people

who until like Jay-Z is finished, like they are still gonna like, hobnob and kiss ass to whoever they think. Like that's just who these people are. So trying to find like, you know, your morality in the crowd, like it's not gonna happen. That's why I know it was just very jarring. Honestly, he's so, your morality in the crowd, like it's not gonna happen. That's what I know. It was just very jarring.

Honestly, he's so jarring. Enjoy the pretty. He's jarring to see, like I can't, it's like, it's really a jump scare. Yeah, and I think you said on Friday that like people wouldn't no longer like be intimidated by Jay-Z into like doing what he, like last year when he was like, how is my wife never won album of the year?

She's the most awarded woman that makes no sense. And I was like, I think she'll win this year. But like, because of that, and you said no, like Jay-Z doesn't have that power anymore. Like, I think he still very much does. Because Cowboy Carter was not the album of the year. No, it wasn't. And does it, I imagine it hits different to win the award

like after the year before, like your husband, like threw a tantrum about it. No, and it's also, it's like when Leonardo DiCaprio won the Oscar for Revenant. And it's like, no, he deserved it for Titanic. Yes, exactly. And there's so much like, lore around it. He probably didn't even want it at this point.

It's like embarrassing, you know, like, I agree. And to get it for like the thing that you actually don't really deserve it for. It's like, but you, and you were worthy other times. It's just like- Many times. I don't know. I mean, it's still nice to just get.

And I do think the Oscars are also cumulative. Like it's about a person's like body of work. I think we've like learned that on this show before, but which also doesn't make sense when they give it to someone random, who's in one thing one time and we never hear about them again, but sure. This was not the time to win album of the year.

No, I think the Leonardo DiCaprio comparison is a perfect one. Cause these are two people who like got to a point in their careers and we're all looking around being like, how, how have they been stumped for album of the year so many times? And then they get it and it's like, well, good, they deserve to have that award in their artillery,

but not for this particular work. Cowboy Carter was not the album of the year. When you think about albums as a whole body of work that like took the culture by storm, there were just others that did it bigger and better. You could see it in the streams, even Bratt got more streams than Cowboy Carter. Yeah, and the thing is like,

even though I didn't think Bratt should win, I could have made an argument for most of the nominees, not the Beatles. Yeah. But I could have made an argument for like different albums to have won. And I don't have an argument for Cowboy Carter. Yeah, so.

And I just want to say, it's probably the most I've listened to any Beyoncé album because I love country music. So it's not that I don't think it was good. I'm just talking about how it was perceived and how it was received by everyone. Right, and just cause she's never won it before. Like didn't it would be like if everyone was up in arms

that Taylor never won song of the year. So she thinks she won song of the year for Fortnite. Like that was just not the song of the year and it wouldn't be deserving of it. And you want to correct an old error, don't now air someone else. Cause someone else in this category in a few years will never have one album of the year for Fortnite. Like that was just not the song of the year and it wouldn't be deserving of it. And you want to correct an old error, don't now air someone else. Cause someone else in this category in a few years will never have one album of the year.

It's like, oh, well they should have won that year. But- Exactly, it's so true. Cause if they didn't give it to Beck, Beyonce would have it. Right. And why did they give it to Beck? Cause he was like the single soul songwriter.

That was it. It was like every song was like written, produced everything by Beck, Beck, Beck, Beck, Beck. And then you look at Beyonce's album and it's like a million people. Who cares? I don't care how many people, like was it was like every song was like written produced everything by Beck, Beck, Beck, Beck, Beck. And then you look at Beyonce's album and it's like a million people. I don't care how many people like, was it the best album? Was it good?

Yeah. I want to talk about Trevor Noah and how it's time to retire. Like from this particular line of work, he was so unfunny and so unnecessary because every time he showed up, he was just introducing an introducer. Yeah. Yeah.

So I really felt like he was so unnecessary, like just being there. His jokes were not funny at all. He didn't even like try to push the envelope in any way. Was he even making jokes? I didn't hear jokes. It was just like a lot of like telethon. Which by the way, I think if you were in the room,

if it was like an in-person event, his like pushiness with the telethon and the QR code, like that's funny and that's what you're hired for. But the people in the arena are one 80th of the people watching. Like you're not performing for the people in the arena, you're performing for the people at home. And it was just not translating at all.

And I don't know if we're all just collectively, like the bar has been raised in a significant way by Nikki Glaser, like, or he was just particularly awful, but he was really not entertaining in any way. Yes, but also something about the Golden Globes, like I feel like the people in the room need to be roasted. Yeah. I don't feel that way about the Grammys.

I don't think it needs to be a roast. Like these are- No, me neither. So I didn't need that sort of energy, but like there are so many funny, like just- Things to say. Harmless jokes to be made. No, you can be funny and poke fun

without roasting a group of people. I agree, that's not the vibe. Like Golden Globes, it's so hoity-toity. That's why they love to poke fun at like Hollywood elite. Grammys is like a lot of real people from all different walks of life, all different genres. It doesn't need to be, I completely agree. Speaking of, I wanna talk about Dochi,

whom I was a little familiar with from TikTok, but I don't listen to a lot of rap music, but I know that she's like the up and coming, like big hot thing. So when it came time for her to win her award, I had a pretty good feeling that she was gonna win. And I was so pleasantly surprised by her. I didn't know what to expect.

So when she came up and brought her mom, which I thought was so sweet, and she was just talking about how she loves Tampa, her hometown, and how she gives all the credit to her sobriety. Like she was just not what I was expecting. I thought she was so lovely. And then her performance, I was like,

actually really sat for because I was like, oh, she's got a little something going on. And it was so different. I don't know what I was expecting, but like everyone in the school uniforms, through the choreography, like I really loved it. I thought she was fabulous. I loved it too.

I didn't know who she was until I read her name on Friday that she was gonna be one of the performers. And I was very impressed, very impressed. Like that was a great performance. Yeah, and she just seems like she's a really good head on her shoulders. I liked her speech too. I liked a lot of the speeches actually.

They were just, they were very professional, like very thankful, stayed like for this part on message. And yeah, her message being like, you know, cause she clearly got to where she is like just by sheer talent, right? Being discovered in Tampa, which like isn't like a hub of, but she was saying, no, like it really is like such an artistic town record labels come down.

She took that opportunity to like lift up her community. And I found that really admirable. I don't think a lot of people would do that. So I just like, like So I just like her now. Yeah, I agree. She gave a good impression. Other performances worth discussing. Shakira was kind of amazing.

I like that song and she's such a good dancer and it's like her shtick, her party trick that doesn't get old. The belly dancing. It is really crazy that she could roll her belly like that. Yeah, and it's like kind of what, it's like her shtick, her party trick that doesn't get old. The belly dancing? It is really crazy if she could roll her belly like that. No, yeah, and it's like, can you learn to do that or is that just something you're born with? I think it's a little bit of both.

It's definitely a god given skill. It's something you can hone. Maybe it's like singing, like you definitely have the natural talent, but you can perfect it. Gaga and Bruno sang a cover for what purpose? It wasn't a tribute. For California. Oh right, California, yeah, I forgot about that.

Yeah. Got it, okay. Anyone else? Definitely. Red carpet looks that I loved. Kelsey Bellarini, I thought she looked so pargy. She always, she never looks bad, but I feel like she stepped it up a notch

with her hair, her glam, the jacket, I really loved it. Sabrina was one of my favorites. Taylor's look. It was very Taylor, like not entirely. Perfect. Perfect. No, but she looked perfect. Her hair was like completely like in her makeup. It was much better than last year.

But just like not like, I just feel like people always just want to do like a little bit more with her. High fashion. I thought she looked nice. It was cute. I thought it was cute. I think she knew it wasn't gonna be like her. Some nights she goes and it's like, she knows she's gonna win every single award.

Folklore was her year, Midnights was her year. I think she knew like A, because other categories were so stacked and B, like TTBD was amazing, but I don't think it had the cultural impact that some of her previous albums had. So I think she really went for fun. And her dress was like that of a girl who was there for fun.

I thought the red was a really cute nod to Travi and the Super Bowl and the T on her thigh was so cute. I actually think that if she swapped this year's look and last year's look, it might've made a little more sense cause like this red look was like very Travi, but also midnight's like with the sparkles. And then this year she would be going like in tribute. Now I know she's always forward thinking

and showing us what's next, but like this was the year of TTPD and this is when I would have wanted to see her in that outfit and it would have made sense to me. Yeah, I think in the future we will look at the year she wore the TTPD outfit and just assume it was the year she was nominated for TTPD and it's not. No, it was the year she announced TTPD.

And then also, were you getting any like subliminal messages from this outfit? She obviously wore the tee, I was mitten mine on my upper thigh, blah, blah, blah. Which was actually cute. I like that as a bit of, I like that as a trend. Yeah, like a thigh chain. I never heard of it, but I like it.

Were you not getting any reputation vibes? No, red is not right. Reputation's like, I guess like black and red, but it's like a dark. There was something like reading rep. It was reading rep. Oh, okay. Got it. Love that.

Reading rep. Like the blood- Oh, by the way, the stones on the chain, like blood, like very rep. Oh, like blood drops. Right? No. And maybe I saw people saying it's rep,

but everybody's just like looking for what they wanna see. You know, you're creating the theory that you wish to see in the world. Yeah. There was also a lot of girl saying it's rap, but everybody's just looking for what they wanna see. You're creating the theory that you wish to see in the world. There was also a lot of girlies there with beef. And I was very interested to see how the Olivia Rodrigo of it all would play out. Now, let me say this. I thought Olivia Rodrigo looked the best she ever looked.

I completely agree. Something about, I don't know, she didn't do anything different and the dress wasn't so crazy, but she's very mature. And I remember I was saying she needs to chop her hair because it's giving eighth grade long hair. She was able to circumvent that eighth grade look last night

even though she kept her long hair. I thought she looked like absolutely radiant. I loved the dress. I thought so too. She looked truly beautiful. And it was just like, it must've been hard for her to like walk in when it's like, you know, Taylor and Sabrina, they're at their table,

Jack Antonoff, he, he, Gracie Abrams, Margaret Quayley. It's like they're a girl gang crew. And she has beef with Taylor and she has beef with Breiner. Yes, but I do feel like then, so on that side, she's very close with Chappell Rhone, who I could see Chappell not, even though there was some, oh, Chappell Rhone's dancer was Taylor Swift's dancer.

Cam Sanders, yeah. I could see Chappell Rhone and Taylor Swift having beef, anyone else? Not having beef, I could see Chappell Rhone hating Taylor because Chappell Rhone is like the communist pop star and Taylor Swift is like the capitalist pop star. Like literally one is Karl Marx and one is Winston Churchill.

Like they just, they wouldn't see eye to eye on anything. Yeah, I could just see her being about that. And then don't forget like Billie Eilish has run her mouth. So I actually feel like Olivia Rodrigo might have some- Some allies in the audience. So has Charlie XC audience. Enemies of her enemies are her friends. Charlie XCX, Gabrielle. I saw enough to know Gabrielle was there. A lot of people have run their mouths about Taylor.

It's true. It's kind of like a thing people do for fun. So Olivia Rodrigo could find a port in that storm if she wanted to. I'm just saying like maybe there were more people that she felt comfortable with and she brought her man so she was okay. And I saw a video of, like in the background,

you could see Olivia going up to Sabrina and giving her a hug, which I found to be so crazy. Like if I was Sabrina, I'd be like, get off me. A hundred percent. Like in that situation, Sabrina will never forgive. And she shouldn't. Cause she wants to forgive you and she wants to forget you. Yeah, no, she was seriously burned.

That's like Kim forgiving Taylor. Like nobody asked. Taylor has to forgive you. Yeah, no, she was seriously burned. That's like Kim forgiving Taylor. Like nobody asked. Taylor has to forgive you. Right, right. The forgiveness is not incumbent on you. Kim's like, I'm over it. Are we missing anything else to cover? There was one thing that I was just like,

we had to talk about, I feel like it had to do with tailored, but it's evaded me. So I think we can move on from the Grammys 2025 in the books. I will say, I would give the first like 50% of the Grammys like a true 10 out of 10. I was enjoying every minute. Although I don't think they did a good job

of like getting people's reactions in the crowd. Like we got very little like footage of just like random things. But the second half was truly dreadful. Like I think they need to be punished for abusing our time like that. There's no reason an award show ends past 11 and it was 1115 and the major three out of four

of the major awards hadn't been given out yet. Like I think it was really disgraceful. A lot, a longer time slot than usual. They're like, okay, you guys always go over. It's like, we'll give you four and a half hours. And it's a telethon. I think it's better when it's like you're feeling rushed towards the end,

but like leave us wanting more. Yes. They did not do that. Our next story actually will be a little bit of Grammy's adjacent news because Beyonce has announced her Cowboy Carter tour. So this was the news that Beyonce was going to announce but then she postponed the announcement of the announcement. And the announcement is that she is going

on a 2025 Cowboy Carter tour. So she- So the announcement has been announced. Yes, she confirmed in an Instagram post on her Instagram after the Grammy's that she'll going on a 2025 Cowboy Carter tour. So she- So the announcement has been announced. Yes, she confirmed in an Instagram post on her Instagram after the Grammy said she'll be heading out on tour to LA, Chicago, London, New York, Paris, DC, Atlanta, Las Vegas, and Houston. So this seems like a small tour, no?

Or am I missing something? No, it's definitely a small tour. I think that she just finished Renaissance, like maybe she, and also I think comparatively, Cowboy Carter's not her biggest album. So it wouldn't garner the biggest tour. Yeah, but still she's Beyonce. Like she's going to what, 10 major cities?

So maybe she's just tired. Yeah, I don't know. Or maybe she, I feel like she might be doing it in like a, what kind of venues we don't know. Or she'll do more. Or she'll do more, like you announced a little bit at a time. Right.

I know I'm like, I'm here for it, but we're just so used to like a global world tour and like, this seems very intentional. And I just want to say, depending on the time I feel like I want to go. Yeah. Like, I'm sure I've done a lot of shit about everything, but I happen to really like Cowboy Carter, the album.

Yeah. Like it's the most, I've listened to a particular, actually that's not true, but cause I've listened to- Even TTPD, like you love that album. It was your whole year. You've not once said it was snubbed. No, I don't think it was snubbed. I think that I love her and it was the album

I probably listened to the most. But if I were to say which album really deserved it in terms of streams and overall cultural impact, it would have been short and sweet. Yeah. So I'm just saying like you can be like non-biased, even though you're favorite. Yes, no, I'm definitely, I think I'm,

especially with this year in particular, cause like obviously I always want Taylor to win. Some years I think she like, it's required that she wins. And some years not so much. And I didn't think this was a year. And that's not a knock. I think TTBD is seriously the best album of all time. I fucking love it.

Yeah. Comparatively to other works and their impact, I don't know. Yeah, so anyways, Beyonce's going on tour, Cowboy Carter, that was the announcement that she was waiting to announce. I really liked the artwork. I'm into the bleached eyebrows.

Well, I will always be into bleached eyebrows because I feel seen. Did you see Beyonce's underwire coming out of her get up last night? I did. People could not get over that. I'm looking at this picture. I just assumed it was like part of the dress, but no, like she's seriously being stabbed by her own dress.

I mean, we've all been there wearing our bras to fucking filth so much so that the material gives out and the underwire pops out and you like get a knife in your boob. And you're like, what is that? Oh, it's an actual needle poking into your wrist. Yeah, it didn't come up when she was on stage, right? I'm seeing it like backstage.

I saw it when she was sitting, no, no, when that, that moment that went viral when she won country album of the year and she's like completely shocked, literally the underwire in between her boobs, both of them is popping out. Oh, that's so interesting. Cause right under it is like a little bow of sorts, like a little embellishment.

So I was like, maybe it's like the strings on top of the bow. Like I would just assume it was a style choice until you said that. I think Beyonce was very flustered. Like the way, even because her reaction, I think she got there maybe like a little late and she was just like flustered.

She was a little all over the place when she won country album. She was like, because Trevor Noah said she can arrive whenever she wants. Right, her underwire was popping out. Like I think she was just like a little frazzled. Got it. Okay, well, ow.

The funniest is blue Ivy's face. She's like, okay girl, get up. You've won a million Grammys before. Why are you being dramatic? I feel like she wasn't listening because she was just like sitting down. She was flustered too. She got there three seconds before they said her name.

She almost missed it. She probably didn't think she was gonna win. I don't even know if she knew it was her award. She was so flustered and Blue Ivy's like, girl, get up, you're on TV. But because she was the only country award blue Ivy's like, girl, get up. Like you're on TV. But because she was the only country award nominated from album of the year, she therefore already won country album of the year now.

Correct. That's a really good point. The one other note I needed to make about the Grammys is that architect by KC Musgraves, one country song of the year. And so for me, that was everything as it was the country song of the year to me. I agree.

And it's the Grammy's 13,000 voting members respecting part genus. I was really surprised at Kacey Musgraves outfit cause she's such like a red carpet sleigh. Like she always crushes it. And for her to show up in a tank top, I was really surprised. Oh yeah, like not my favorite either.

And I don't care if the tank top's raw, I'm like ugly's ugly. Yeah, not my favorite. And she always kills it with like the country twang. Like it's never like overtly like campy. It's always got a little country in it. And she always kills it. Yeah, but the deeper well aesthetic is very stripped back. I'm shocked she wasn't wearing the, you know,

the thing in her hair, the bushka. Yeah, I found a deeper well. she wasn't wearing the, you know, the thing in her hair, the bushka. Yeah, I found a deep royal. I liked what Laney Wilson was wearing, just like that black tuck suit with her hat. Laney Wilson, I just want to say is growing on me. By the way, I love her. And just to be clear, I have always loved her.

That doesn't mean you can't be critical of like people you love winning awards that you don't think that they deserve. Yeah. I mean, when she was in, she was amazing in Yellowstone. Her music is so good. She performs, she's never performed badly. Her tribute last night, like she was amazing. What's just surprising to me is like,

why does Lainey Wilson get tapped for that tribute? Like she's always just the person in country. She was nominated. So they were obviously looking for like a woman in country. So it was what her or KC Musgraves. Right. I'm just, what surprises me about her is that like, she gets all these huge opportunities for me. Like she seems like she's been around five minutes,

like Kelsey Ballerini is there. Like you could, she could do something. So I'm just like, why is it always her? But taking that out of the equation, like she sang, she was so good last night. And like, I think she really showed up for country music and she is very authentically country. And like, I'm gonna start my Lady Wilson,

like re-education of myself because- Grace and Hang Tight Honey. Yeah, no, even, Forba, Forba, you- Oh, I actually hate that song. I don't love this song, but every time they play a clip of it, like, cause she's always nominated for it,

I'm like, that's Pargy, okay. She's really talented. I listened to the two songs you told me too. Did you like them? They weren't enough to get me on the train bed. Wow. I think I will listen to her album because after CMAs I listened to Cody Johnson

like I said I would. And I had heretofore been asleep on Cody Johnson. She's putting in the work. Cody Johnson is really good. Really good. Yeah. Okay, now to our next story. Actually a little more Grammy's adjacent news

because this was the craziest thing that happened the entire night. Wow, is this story number three? Chloe Kardashian blasts 2025 reporters for cutting babyface interviews short to talk to Chappell Roan. I am so glad we're talking about this because I meant to bring it up

and we need to name, shame and blame these two abhorrent, disrespectful, shameful journalists who work for the Associated Press. Yeah, so two women who work for the Associated Press were doing red carpet interviews. They were talking to Babyface, doing an interview with him, and one of them saw Chappell Rhone passing by and literally like screams,

"'Chappell,' as Babyface is talking and brings her over." And he was like, "'Oh, okay.'" And starts walking away and they're like, yeah, sorry. And they proceed to interview chapelrone. Yeah. I was so horrified when I saw that. It's such a bad look for literally everyone involved. And I don't think chapel knew exactly that like, you know.

I don't think actually this was no mark on chapel for me. Holy shit. Like I had such a visceral reaction. I don't know why, maybe it's because, you know, you always have like a soft spot for older people. And by the way, as somebody who's done red carpet, like it's awkward, you'll take an interview and then somebody like better passes by

and you like kind of need to wrap up. So it's an art wrapping up while someone's talking without being disrespectful and then grabbing the person you really want to talk to. And if you're not skilled at that, you should not be hosting the Grammys red carpet for Associated Press. No, and for the Associated Press,

I do think their listeners and viewers, whichever ones they have, like would be more interested in hearing from Babyface. Like know where you're working. They probably don't even know Chapelrone. And like, you probably thought, oh, how could I miss this moment with Chapelrone? Like pass a new artist, blah, blah, blah.

And it's like in the grand scheme of things, like whatever bullshit interview you had with Chapel Rowan like was no big moment, but you snubbing baby face was. So Khloe Kardashian actually put towards, I think how a lot of people were thinking. The video went so viral and I love to see Khloe standing up. We know that they're like friendly. I love to see her standing up for her friend.

Like it made me so upset. And I don't even know like a baby face in music. I'm not like a fan. I thought it was so disgusting. Well, I think to do this to anyone for anyone would just be so rude. So it doesn't even matter who it's for and who it's to. Like there is no person that's more interesting

to talk to that you would snub one person. Then to come to find out that someone who's been in this industry for so many years has contributed so much to music. It's not just a random person. No, and the girl at the end of the stream, I don't know if you saw, she like apologized. It must've been going viral as their stream,

and then she like got wind of it, and she gave like such a blanket shit apology. Like, I can't even tell you how visceral of a reaction I had to this, and how much I thought her apology was a piece of shit and I literally hate her. No, everyone is so mad at this person. She was better off having a boring babyface interview

that nobody talked about than this chap. Yeah, anyways, Chloe Kardashian posted, this is so disrespectful how babyface was treated in this interview. Babyface has had such a significant impact on the music industry in so many ways. It is maddening to see a legend not get the respect and attention they deserve.

He is a pioneer and deserves so much better than this with decades of groundbreaking work as a songwriter, producer and performer. He shaped the sound of multiple generations. I love you, Babyface and I'm a forever fan and thankful for all that you have blessed us with. By the way, what a class act you are. PS, big or small, older, new,

you don't treat people like this. There's a way to handle this. I fucking love Khloe. And this was wrong in my opinion. No, I love Chloe. She's been going off a lot recently. She has, she's been doing a lot of text-based stories. Maybe it's the podcaster in her. This is so, I think a podcaster does.

That's an amazing point. I love that like another famous person is sort of using their own celebrity to stand up for, and you're right, he acted with such grace, he didn't act, you know, miffed at all. I was so upset watching this, like I can't even explain. It was so disgraceful. This like, honestly, I just, I hate it.

I hope this girl gets fired, honestly. Like, I'm sorry, I know that's terrible to say. Like, it was horrible. It's such a bad look for the Associated Press. Yeah, it's just a bad judgment call. I just felt like I watched it and something in me like seriously broke. I was so upset.

You and Chloe. I know that sounds dramatic, but it's right. No matter who it is, you treat an older person with respect and you're just two young girls trying to be cool with Chappell Rohn and it's like, you're so disrespectful. Nevermind that the person in front of you was like a living legend.

It was just, it bothered me so fucking much. No, and like this doesn't happen, even though I'm sure things like this happen all the time, like there are ways that this goes down. Like, I mean, also they have like people who can hold the person to like, you know, E! News does this all day, every day. They don't have people disrespecting people

even when someone more interesting walks by, like, there is a way to do this. And this was just so wrong. Amateur. Wait, also, can we talk about Wells Adams? We can, you can, because I didn't get to watch it. I was really surprised. I was like, when Zuri Hall was, you know,

doing her thing and she crushes it. And then I saw them like, I don't know why this holiday award season E! News has decided to give Kelty the shaft where she doesn't interview any celebrities even though she's the most highly trained entertainment journalist in Hollywood. She gets, they threw her at the top of the carpet at the last couple of award shows talking about fashion

with Zana Roberts Rossi. Somebody at E! is mad at her. So I'm like, oh, who's the other person? Cause they usually have the big stage with Zuri and then like a satellite interviewer. It's been Heather. So I'm like, oh, I wonder who it is. They cut to Wells from the Bachelor

and color me shocked wearing the weirdest outfit I've ever seen in my life. I have to say like, no shade. I happen to really like Wells, such a nice guy. Happy for him to have gotten that opportunity. Poor choice on E's part. Like this is a Grammy's. Yeah.

Why are they still doing this? I felt like they went back to entertainment journalism. Where's Justin Sylvester? I don't know. Always a good question. I mean, when you think of the talent they've let go, of course Morgan Stewart, like all, Carissa, true professional.

Where the hell was Justin Sylvester? So who was doing all the celebrity interviews? Zuri? Zuri and Wells. That's so interesting. No, Jackie was so weird. Maybe he's trying to like be the next Ryan Seacrest. He does host on the show, on The Bachelor.

Like I'm just saying this is definitely a big next step, but maybe that's where he's trying to go. Notino Shade, lovely man. Yeah, surprising. Extremely. Next up, okay, so that's really it for the Grammys now. Is that it for the Grammys? That's brought to you by Vivrel Perchance.

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His website dropped. Oh, right, right. So Justin Baldoni's website that he had said was coming has dropped. It is called the lawsuitinfo.com. And in it is everything, every text. I'm surprised to start, I hate BlakeLively.com. Every text, email, exchange with the studio with Blake

throughout the filming of this movie. From the time he got the book rights from Colleen Hoover and the tide had already turned pretty completely against Blake, but this is really the nail in the coffin. People are like cherry picking text messages from her that are really cringe and also just paint a different sort of picture than what we had gleaned

from the New York Times and some of- And he puts so much out there that I think like whatever your theory is, like some people think like Blake had a crush on him and he was unrequited. You can find like a text or an email on this website to substantiate whatever your theory is. Yes, and I have not read through everything yet

though I plan to because I'm so confounded and confused by this whole thing that I can't really have a take on it until I can wrap my head around as much information as is available. However, I'm getting ready to eat my words. You are? I am.

I think that my initial assessment of Justin is still fair, which is like, that's not my kind of guy, like cringe. But I think that, and it's funny, cause we were always onto Blake and Ryan until this. And maybe because everyone was hating them, like it just like made us want to defend them. But from what I'm seeing this, these texts and everything portray,

it's like they did this man so dirty. I'm not gonna say that until I read it it all because right now I feel like I'm just being swayed by other people's takes so I want to come to my own conclusion but I'm just letting you guys know like I'm warm enough to say if I was wrong about this. Yeah the thing is is that I trust my gut here like I feel like you're right we've never been like huge Blake Lively or Ryan Reynolds fans. And I think there's definitely like weirdness abound with them. And I think that my gut on Justin Baldoni is and was 100%, right?

And I think that a lot of the theories that we're seeing in the public opinion being swayed is one, like, cause this is like an issue that only women are discussing. Like women are in love with Justin Baldoni and like they refuse to see him in any other light other than like male feminist king. And two, I'm sorry, I have no,

and maybe you guys are gonna be like, Claudia, you're just saying this because everybody disagrees with you, and maybe. But I have a hard time believing that like, this is somebody who has been proven to have astroturfed, right, to have paid for positive campaign. I have never seen, because I was just looking at Amanda from Not Skinny

but Not Fat's story, because there've been a couple of podcasters who have been like very vocally anti-Justin, Nick and Natalie Vial, Nuts, Gat, and Not Fat, and everybody sort of stopped talking about it. So people are like, well, they were wrong. They're stopped talking about it. If you guys knew the amount of hate I fucking got,

literally the cancellation level for talking about Justin Baldoni, Amanda Hirsch, someone was like, are you gonna eat your words? She was like, no, I'm not talking about it anymore because you gonna eat your words? Talking about, she was like, no, I'm not talking about it anymore because I get so much hate. Natalie from Viofiles DM, she was like,

are you getting so much hate? I'm like, yes. So you're telling me this is a person who has proven astroturfed. Like you're telling me he doesn't have like money out there right now getting, there's so many bots involved. I'm just saying, like I know you guys are gonna be a clutter,

you're just saying that, like, I'm just saying. And so I'm not, I'm seriously not getting involved. Like you guys know how I feel. I don't think this is a good person. I don't. Okay. I think that's fair. And I'm not saying like, I feel like with this, I find myself like being, I am being swayed by-

Easily swayed. The Turfers and the boss. And that's because I just don't really have a stake in it. So I can't like stick up for one person cause I don't know these people from Adam. And I was never a fan of any of them in a strong way to begin with. So that's why I'll read this and then decide,

but it's looking- No, and I'm sorry. Oh my God, I saw this thing about the Vyofiles. And just to be clear, like I have no skin in the game with the Vyofiles, but people are like, well, Mint Mobile is one of their sponsors. And Ryan Reynolds is an investor and that's like his company.

Now I could tell you guys 1000%, like perfect example, Skims is one of our biggest sponsors. And we talk about Kim all the time. Sometimes we agree with her, sometimes we don't, sometimes we say she was wrong. That does not affect your sponsors whatsoever. You can say, a sponsor would literally never tell you not to say something.

No, that's really so crazy. That's when people like really get carried away. And they don't understand. Sometimes the industry is so nefarious and there's all these things that go on behind the scenes and you couldn't even fathom it. And then other times it's like you're assigning all this credit to something that isn't even a factor

in someone's decision. So I'm just saying these texts and the fact that he has all these texts and he is sharing everything from soup to nuts, this man is trying to clear his name like, and he will do anything and spend whatever because if he does not come back from this, he has nothing. The two of them like are fine. We'll survive.

Actually, maybe I'm biased, but I think that like the concept of setting up a website for public consumption, like, and his obsession with getting people to agree with him. I actually think it's weird and creepy. And maybe I'm biased because I think he's weird and creepy, but I think this whole thing of setting up a website, releasing your voicemails, your voice memos,

you're trying a little too hard. What are you hiding from? Sorry. Oh, I disagree. I feel like if you have been so thoroughly slandered and you have nothing else, what would he ever do again? He, this, and he's say he was so wrong.

Like just operate under the premise that he's so wrong. Like would you not do everything that you could to clear your name? No, I guess I would. I would. I have a really hard time. It's not just a matter of like agree to disagree. We'll go our separate ways.

And like, we just all don't like each other. And I'm gonna take the high road. Like there's no high road to take here because he of like agree to disagree. We'll go our separate ways. And like, we just all don't like each other. And I'm going to take the high road. Like there's no high road to take here because he has nowhere else to go. He doesn't have an agent. He doesn't have his podcast. And then there are things to me that still don't add up. Like, why did everyone in the cast take Blake Lively's side?

Why did Colleen Hoover take her side? When she finally released her lawsuit, why did everyone finally speak up for her? Like that always is a little bit weird to me. released her lawsuit, why did everyone finally speak up for her? Like that always is a little bit weird to me. The AstroTurban, like why did that campaign happen when nothing had happened yet? It seemed like he sort of like started this,

but then it seems like they were trying to take his movie from him, but then I also have a hard time like caring so much about a movie. Sympathizing with a movie, yeah. Yeah, so I hear you. I think it's fair to question, of course. And also, I think it's so easy for Justin Baldoni to be big hero, big hero, when nobody's responded to him

in a legal or public way. For you, yes. You are waiting for Blake to respond and you're gonna like wait to call it until you see everything that's out there. What he's saying is like, this is what happened. Right, right. Now-

He's saying everything's out there now. Yeah. No, I get it. I just, I seriously cannot be swayed by this man. Yeah. Well, so that's just, the jury is out for me now. Now I have to review the evidence. Okay, that's good.

It's good to have a diverse echo. It's good not to be in an echo chamber. Diverse opinions here on the show. Yeah, but I also feel myself being like really wishy-washy about this, cause I just, I'm so confused. Like, yeah, and I'm just confused. And then like all this stuff that happened on set, that's what I guess I'll have to read about now.

But like, then she sends these texts. It's like, who talks like that? So anyways, this is the text that's gone super viral. She said, I can send you my pass at the roof or just read with you when we get together next week. Let me know what you prefer. If you knew me in person longer, you'd have a sense of how flirty and yummy

the ball busting would play. It's my love language, spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth. And him serving it back to her is just as it's blocked out. You don't usually see both the man and the woman with spicy and humor. Anyway, I can act it out for you next week to make sure it comes through or I can- Yeah, that's what I want you to act it out for me. Or I can send now, let me know what you prefer. When Colleen Hoover was sitting in her house

10 years ago, writing this rooftop scene, did she ever think that it would be the end of multiple people's careers? No, and like so hotly contested, like, no, I don't think she did. And now Colleen Hoover is like being dragged. Yeah, so she deactivated all of her social media. There's like something going on with her son.

Like she has a couple of sons and one of them like got himself in some, you know, bad situation about sexual harassment. And so I'm not clear on all the details, but it's like, you know, it's all looking good for Colleen and like the internet found, you know, everything. Separate from how she's behaved in this situation? Separate.

Okay. But it's, it's, it's- That sounds like a different problem. Yes, but it's the same conversation, right? About like sexual harassment. Right, but in that conversation, she like downplayed the woman's experience and then in this one, she's not.

Just upplaying. Yeah, I don't know. Seriously, I don't know. So like relevance, let me know. It's important. I haven't seen like the relevancy. You guys are just questioning her as an individual now. Okay.

After like reading her books and loving her. Yeah, okay. Now we hate her. Right, no cancel Colleen is over party. So that's where we're at. I thought it was gonna get quieter from here on out. No. It's getting louder.

I would love to know what the conversations inside the lively Reynolds household have been like. I'm sure it's like, well, let's play fo with the teeth. Oh, let me go to the basement and get one of my dragons. I don't know, I feel like those two, I don't know. Do they know how that it's this bad? Maybe they're preparing their next thing like Blake's Christmas day bomb.

Which I also thought was, it's crazy how two people can read a situation because when she dropped that right before Christmas, I was like, that's a weird time to drop this evidence that's gonna clear her name. No one's really paying attention. It's the holiday break. That's a bad time to make news.

And then other people were like, she did it to ruin his Christmas. Well, to be clear, she didn't actually drop anything. She filed something with the government and then the New York Times ran it. She dropped the file in conjunction with the New York Times story on that week when she could have done it.

It's unclear like if that was her publishing it or the New York Times just ran it, but yes, I'm sure she did. It seemed like they had an inside track. Yeah. But like why that week, to me that week seems like poor timing, but there- Where you would bury something.

Right, but then other people see it as she wanted to ruin Justin's Christmas. So that's just like how we all see it differently. Yeah, ruin Justin's Christmas. Christmas. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Some lighthearted news that we've all been waiting for. What?

Christina Hawk has a new man. Oh, who? Chris LaRocca. Oh, wait, I gotta look. This is gonna be in the flip-off season too. Chris LaHacka. Wait, what is she going by now? Christina Haack, is that her marital?

Yeah, that's her original name. I think she's like stripped back. Oh wow, sexy pics of them. Yeah. You know what? She finds like these hot men. Some girls just never stay single for long. She's so, it's the seven husbands of Christina Hack.

It is. And you know who else I was thinking that about recently who weirdly always has a man, even though like I wouldn't have put her in that box. Lady Gaga. Oh yeah, cause we saw him last night and it was not what I was expecting. Lady Gaga always has a man, but you would think she'd be like the independent type,

not really in a relationship. And she's like low key, always in a committed relationship. So they were spotted at the LA airport together and they're jetting off in a romantic getaway to Paris. Yeah, they were spotted first together in October. His name is Michael Buckner. He has a professional headshot. So what does that mean? Wait, I'm looking at Christopher LaRocca. Oh wait, am I on an old article? I mean, there's so many articles.

I literally searched, no, wait, February 2nd, 2025. Christina Haack spotted kissing new boyfriend, Chris LaRocca. Wait, wait, are you on People Magazine? Yeah, February 2nd, 2025. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, wait, who's this guy? Why do they, they're side by side of her and Michael Buckner. The photo was taken by Michael Buckner.

That's the credit. No, no. That's the photo credit for variety. Oh, oh. That's a photographer, am I bad? That's who took the headshot. If anybody needs a new headshot. His name is Chris LaRocca. He's very handsome.

What does he do? I just want to say Christina LaRocca. Oh, and then they have like the same first name also cause he's Christopher. I'd rather see you LaRocca the stage at Arrows. She's Christina and he's Christopher. Oh, Chris, Chris. They're the Chris's.

That's cute. So he's the CEO and president of Network ConX. She loves a businessman. I love that for her. Now let me look up annual revenue for- The CEO of Network Larroca. Yeah, I'm just like, I'm a busybody. Does he have a real job?

Okay, oh my God. Network ConX estimated revenue, they're based out of Chicago, is about $80 million a year. He's the CEO of a company that does $80 million a year. Strong. Yeah. Christine does not waste her time.

She does not waste her time. Chris Larocca. What was his name? Chris Larocca salary. Maybe it's on Glassdoor. Chris Larocca. Chris Larocca salary. Maybe it's on Glassdoor. So his net worth according to this website is at least $9,126.

Thank you. That's good. I figured it might be. That's good. He's a private citizen, so it's like really hard. No, and also maybe he's like CEO of this company, but maybe he like sold a company previously. Like it's hard to know. Okay, but it's really hard. No, and also maybe he's like CEO of this company, but maybe he sold a company previously. It's hard to know.

Or maybe he has bad debts. You could never know. He has a Bloomberg profile. That's how you know you're a legit business person, a part of the... This headshot by Michael Buckner is also giving legit business person. 1000%.

Thank you, Michael Buckner. That's seriously a ringing endorsement for you. I'm literally crying, I have tears coming out of my eyes. I kinda need to do a headshot. Should I call out Michael Buckner. Like that's seriously a ringing endorsement for you. I'm literally crying of tears coming out of my eyes. I kind of need a new headshot. Should I call up Michael Buckner? I think that you should. Do you think that Michael Buckner knew the day he took this man's photo?

He's gonna change his life? Do you think Michael Buckner's daughter is a toaster? I hope like a niece out there is like Uncle Mike. We will get three headshots. Uncle Mike? Is that you? Oh my God, I'm cracking up. Well, Christina knows how to pick them.

Like she really always turns out with someone handsome, someone successful and now it's never like a long lasting thing, but that's kind of seems like where she's comfortable. Christopher seems different. So does Michael. Maybe if it doesn't work out with Christopher. There's always Michael. There's always Michael. There's always Michael.

No, he seems different cause he's like not in the public eye. It doesn't seem like he's going to go on to date Renee Zellwiger and go to her premiere of Bridget Jones. Did you see Andra instead? Are they still together, him and Renee? He was at the premiere of Bridget Jones with her aunt. I don't believe you. That's so crazy.

They're still together? Yeah, they're still together. They were together last week on the red carpet of her new movie. Okay, I need, yeah, I see, I see. I think his daughters came along too. So she's just like- Yeah, he has a son and a daughter who both came.

So she's really a part of the family. Yeah. Well, maybe they should hire Michael Buckner to take a family photo. Do you think she'll be watching the flip-off? 1000 percent. You know she is, not with him though. Like late at night when he's out doing his thing.

Well he's on the flip off, he's one of the guest hosts. I know, that's why she's gonna watch. Just like Taylor listens to Travis' podcast to get insight. He wants to know what happened between, she like Renee Zellberger is just a girl. She wants to know why Ant and Christina didn't work out. Renee Anstead. Renee Anstead.

It's got a nice ring to it. Claudia Buckner. It's a ring to it. Claudia Buckner. It's a lot of vowels. Claudia Buckner. That's nice. Lot of consonants. Yeah, hard. Well, thank you for ending,

like putting a nice sort of bookend on the stories for today. Cause that's something I needed to know. We do good news here. I need some good news. Sittin' on, sittin' on some cold truth. Nobody knows what I'm going through because the devil don't walk in my shoes.

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