The Toast - Broke Bitches Should Never Laugh: Wednesday, October 30th, 2024

Episode Date: October 30, 2024

Forbes Top Creators 2024 (Forbes) (17:57)Channing Tatum and Zoe Kravitz Split After 3 Years Together, Call Off Engagement (PEOPLE) (49:04)Travis Kelce, brother Jason give sneak peek of song together on new Christmas album (NY Post) (51:49)Kristin Cavallari admits she rejected chef Bobby Flay when he slid into her DMs (Page Six) (58:02)Cynthia Erivo defends 'clapback' of fan-edited 'Wicked' poster (Page Six) (1:07:04)The Toast with Jackie (@JackieOshry) and Claudia Oshry (@girlwithnojob) Lean InThe Camper and The Counselor by Jackie OshryMerchThe Toast PatreonGirl With No Job by Claudia OshrySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Good morning, Millennials! And like, I use it. I'm not saying like that people who use it are bad. I thought you were going to say something else. I thought you were going to say you hate the word pargy. Because there has. Oh my God. That would be like me saying I hate you. I know. There have been a couple people in the comments like, I can't wait for like pargy to like cycle through. Like a couple haters.

And I just thought, I don't know. I thought they got to you. Jackie, you really can't take. I just, like I thought that they got to you. You can't take feedback like that seriously honestly and I've noticed this too like I think internet culture people in the humanity in general but specifically internet culture like comes people become like especially insufferable during election season and I feel like that's what you were receiving yeah for sure I think I receive a

lot of that actually if we're gonna be real like I'll say this guy is blue and they'll just not like it because it's election season. Cloud seating. Yeah. No, I'm telling you, everybody's sort of like, everybody is definitely embracing like the worst version of themselves, especially as internet users. So that's probably what you were receiving when you heard people saying that they want Par-G to stop. I would never say that. Okay.

Thank you so much. I knew that you wouldn't. I just got afraid. I was scared. I gave you a fright? You gave me a fright, all's to say. All's to say that it's Wednesday. It's a pargy day.

Thank you. And I don't like the word energy. Yeah, I feel as though, you said this once about the word vibe, that like the word becomes so overused and you don't even remember what word it replaced. Right. And so we're all saying, like, big dick energy. Oh, it's, like, good energy. Like, what the hell are you talking about, you know?

Yeah, and it's another one where I don't think it really replaced a tangible word. Therefore, it is here to stay. A la, it's giving. Correct. So I think that as much as you might not want it part of your vernacular, you'll have to like get comfortable seeing it. Being uncomfortable. And being uncomfortable, exactly.

I'm kind of used to it at this point. Yeah, but it is gargi-pargi energy. It is gargi-parginess. And we have a great show today. It's Wednesday, which means we have deer toasters. We have lots to do. We have stories. We left you guys on a cliffhanger yesterday talking about the top creators so that will be first because I know some of you like could not sleep last night wondering well who

the top creators are according I am glad that we waited because when I was in the tub yesterday I like did I actually read like the whole thing and I went through the list and I have so many thoughts so I'm glad that I was able to take time to do my research and development. And yeah, I'm looking forward to sharing what I have to share with the world. Well, I hope that you will share. I will share and I will care. That's beautiful. Also, speaking of creators, myself, if you're listening to this,

I just dropped a Patreon episode on our Patreon of what I did yesterday the big reveal Zach and I test drove Teslas including a Cybertruck we vlogged the whole thing you drove it I drove the Cybertruck like I just don't believe it you have to watch the vlog it is so funny it's also like kind of educational if you're at all interested in Teslas we looked at model x i drive the model y and there's a cyber truck so three different types of cars but as i said in the video like i'm not trying to make like a car facts video like here are the best features like what are the vibes is it swirly i'll let you know now i don't want to spoil like the ending um but

overall like give me you know one word your impression of the truck fan fucking tastic oh my god she's literally getting a cyber truck you guys i can't no you'll watch the vlog you'll see the pros and cons and like for my lifestyle practically speaking like i'm sorry i'm not gonna get a car like as a bit you know i have to put my groceries in there you have to put your family in there actually that part is the easiest part there's a back row two, let's go. But like groceries in the truck bed, I don't really think so. The frunk isn't as frunky as my frunk.

You'll see all the pros and cons, but like if you have the opportunity to test drive a Cybertruck, take it. Because being inside of it is so awesome. Patreon.com slash a toast. You're not gonna wanna miss this one. You're really not. Honestly, you might wanna buy some Tesla stock today because because after that vlog it's going through the to the moon i feel like you can't even make a joke like that because people will be like

insider trading please like if anybody you know what i was just about to make a joke that literally was gonna land me in jail no i know so i just want to say like that was a joke um tesla stock is like over a trillion there's nothing my little flock behind the paywall is going to do to change that. Okay. So I actually bought some Tesla stock like a million years ago. I use one of those apps. I have like a little bit of money in there and I don't really tinker with it. I bought a couple of apps. I asked Brian at the time, I was like, what should I invest in? He's like, invest in what you actually use. So I literally bought like the real, real stock, revolve stock, like things. Yeah. I guess I like only shop at loser companies.

Every single one is like majorly down. And it's been like two years. I don't even check it every day. Like I wanted to make some long-term investments. I do think overall I'm down. Disney, that's like, that one's kind of fine. I bought Etsy too. Like just really nothing that was to the moon.

You bought Dogecoin. Are you still sitting on your Doge? Yeah, I bought Dogecoin. Claudia was a part of Dogemania. I don't know if you guys were toasters during that time, but Claudia like bought Doge when it was going up and she was keeping us abreast on her earnings and she was deciding whether or not to sell. I think also it was around the time like Elon and SNL, like Doge went to the moon. So here's what happened. Ready? Ben's friends actually were like really on to Doge early on and he was like telling me about it. I was like okay. Like I just it was three cents. Like it was

so crazy cheap and they're like it's going to the moon. I think I spent like twenty dollars like literally. And I had gotten like a decent amount and it was growing and it was growing and everybody was like hold it hold it hold it. And then when Elon went on SNL that's when it peaked and I was asleep. And I woke up the next morning and it never went back up again. Like I seriously missed the whole thing. But it was going up for like days. No, I think it like. Of course, no, it was weeks leading up.

And then literally Elon being on SNL, everybody sold it at the, it was just, everyone was talking about it. He mentioned it on SNL live. So it was like, it was a hot button thing. And I was asleep and the next morning it was back down and I never went back up yeah well I'm sorry that's classic you try to get involved in something yeah no like so close to being somewhere yeah just like your senior play actually I spoke to Olivia this morning five feet from stardom 50 feet from stardom I spoke to Olivia this morning and she also had like a crazy story about her

senior play, Ready? Right. Because she said, you know, she auditioned. And Olivia actually does. I have a lovely voice. If she was in another family, like, she would be the girl with the good voice. But she just kind of lives in my shadows. But she does have, like, a very party-licious, like, very pretty voice.

Lovely, lovely voice. She auditioned, and she told me what song. I spoke to her this morning, and she told me what song it was. I don't remember. It was really weird. It was like Let It Be or something, like really lame. That's a classic song though.

And she was like, it was so good. And there was like three students running, you know, the production. They gave her a piece of shit role. And at prom, Olivia was like, Olivia knew one of the girls, like the theater girls had it out for her. And it was like a conspiracy theory in her own mind.

And then at prom, the other two girls were like, we actually really wanted to give you the lead but blank blank wouldn't let us so Olivia got confirmation of the corruption wow I think someone needs to do a deep dive into this like Ryan Murphy how about the Ramaz senior play for your next one I do want to say that actually is a funny concept for a show that only Ryan Murphy could create. Like a senior play that goes all wrong. Yeah. It's giving a politician ex-glee. Yeah, exactly. Oh, my God.

I'm so knee deep in glee and I'm so loving every minute of it. Last night I got to the episodes. Well, it's just one episode. Her first cameo, Gwyneth Paltrow. And it's just, it's actually crazy. Me and Ben were saying, like, she should have been the teacher for the whole show. Like, she was, and really really it's actually crazy how close Matthew Morrison comes to ruining the show in its entirety like he's actually disgraceful his

character is disgusting like he's always doing the craziest most inappropriate shit like it really shocks me how many students are like in his house at all times like stop it's really gross Hollywood baby seriously like they were trying to normalize it and it's not normal sorry I'm here to tell you no it's not like you should never see the inside of your teacher's home yeah okay at one time I saw the inside of my teacher's house of a high school teacher or college middle school teacher um she was kind of like more than a teacher to me Miss Beitner she really like she meant a lot to me and I forget why I went over to her house for dinner with, like, three other students. I think we won, like, a competition or something. She made us a London broil. It was really good. Yum. Yeah, it was kind of like a night

that meant a lot to me. Oh, turdy. We're taking a lot of trips down memory lane. Oh, wait. This is also our final episode before Tostaween. We haven't even talked about, like, Tostaween-y vibes. We haven't talked about it because I don't want to spoil it or overhype it. Like it's going to be a moment in time. And I look forward to, you know me, like I'm not really one for the theater, let's just say. But on Halloween, I leave it all on the episode. Yeah, it's like what she couldn't give to her senior play,

she gives to Halloween. Once a year, like you will get like camp theater. Campio. Jacks, yeah. I love that. I'm so theater. Campy-O. Jacks. Yeah. I love that. I'm so excited. We'll have special guests coming through.

So Toast to Ween, this is what, our like eighth? Well, we could count. I think maybe. Should we count all of our costumes? Let's go in order. Yeah. So when we dress up as each other, dark times. And I know I've seen a lot of requests.

So like it doesn't really count. But sure. I've seen a lot of requests for people wanting us to do it again and just so you know Jackie and I's relationship is far too fragile like we we seriously can't and I just want you to know like we actually considered it this year when we were pretty desperate and we decided we still didn't do it wasn't worth it not there's no way to do it without someone getting offended no way then it was the Kardashians and then it was the Jonas Brothers yes was it then Queen Elizabeth then it was the Kardashians. And then it was the Jonas Brothers. Yes. Was it then Queen Elizabeth? Then it was the royal family.

Okay. Then it was Ryan and Sharpay. Okay. Then it was. The Kelsey's? The Kelsey Brothers. And then it's this year. That makes sense.

We're in our seventh. Okay. I feel like we're missing something. Are we forgetting one? Forgettable. Yikes. Literally. What do you think is our most forgettable one? Well, they're missing something. Are we forgetting one? Forgettable. Yikes. Literally. What do you think is our most forgettable one?

Well, they're all amazing. So it would have to just be like the worst of the best. But maybe Ryan and Sharpay. Agreed. But like I had, I still loved it and I had so much fun. Of course. And we were like so obsessed with High School Musical. At the time it was so authentic.

Okay, by the way, we're always obsessed with High School Musical. One thing about us. But at the time we had both just re-watched it I just came up with a really good idea for Halloween tomorrow you mean text it to me let me text it to you right now it could be an emergency head to party city situation an emergency head to party city situation okay I haven't got it could be it could be you let me know we could also save it oh no it's not good it's not good should i tell them what it was yeah really yeah like i don't think we'll ever do it i don't think it's good

miley and jackson that would be so funny like shot Jackson I think I would have to be Jackson did you see Jackson actually is making waves in the media no over the weekend there was the premiere for the Wizards of Waverly Place like reboot or whatever they're doing so everyone showed up and Jackson actually said I had actually pitched this idea for Hannah Montana to Disney people like a year ago and the timing wasn't right but hopefully this like works out and it does well and it'll open up opportunities for all these other shows to have reboots. Oh, like Jackson, I love you so much. And I love where your head's at because like, yes, me too. I want more Hannah.

But no, like let Hannah. Sleeping dogs. Like there's no way. And again, it causes the same issue. Even if they do it well, it's like, who is it for? I want to watch it, but then am I watching a kid show? And the kids of today could never appreciate the Hannah that we had. So it's not meant to be like, I don't even think this Wizards of Waverly Place is like

that great of an idea. Sorry. Speaking of Selena, I finished Only Murders in the Building last night. The last episode came out. And I just want to say like, it was good, but it was bad. And it was really confusing. And I still don't understand like, who did it and who done it I'm sorry turdy I'm back on my LaCroix like I never left I'm back on my Nespresso we've got a lot to do today we do and I feel like

that's why we're kind of dragging our feet I know I know but we'll feel good once it's done and also like this is the last it's as if we don't have a show tomorrow because tomorrow like we're not us we're in character we're other people yeah so like we'll Jackie and Claudia will see you on Friday it's so we'll be here tomorrow I couldn't tell you I mean I could but I won't yeah yeah so I guess let's get into because because we have a lot to do, and the cards can only sustain for so much energy. So much. In a non-Claudia irritating sort of way.

Without further ado, here are the Fast Five stories that you need to know. And the Fast Five stories that you need to know are brought to you by Sonos, which is one of our favorite sponsors. And today, we are super excited to be wearing their new headphones. So these are the Sonos Ace. I actually have had these, I have two pairs actually, like a darker

pair and a lighter pair. And we, I've been wearing them for a really long time. They're great Bluetooth headphones over the ear. They're like the premium Sonos quality that you come to know and to love and to expect. And I wear them all the time, like for my walks around the city, around the house. I love to travel with them. And now I have an extra pair in studio. I love the Sonos Ace. I love everything that Sonos makes. They really keep my house like fully jamming out all the time with like the most premium sound system. And now the Sonos Ace are here. And I think a lot of people were like really hyped, like Sonos is releasing headphones. What's the vibe going to be? Let me tell you, the vibe is just premium. It is premium vibes, pretty much. And with the holiday season being upon us,

whether you're hosting, you're gifting, checking out Sonos for like the person in your life who loves music, who loves to go on walks, who's really into fitness, who loves, oh, perhaps they want to start a podcast. You know, if you have an aspiring podcaster in your life, they need a premium pair of headphones. Can't recommend the Sonos Ace enough. The sound quality is really premium.

They have active noise cancellation. They have aware mode. The battery life lasts forever. Like sometimes when I travel with them, I don't even bring a charger. You can also connect the Ace to a Sonos soundbar. So you really can, there are endless possibilities. Sonos has great gifts for everyone on your list. Visit Sonos.com slash toast to wrap up your holiday shopping.

That's Sonos, S-O-N-O-S dot com slash toast. Today's episode is also brought to you by Nutrafol. So if you have experienced hair thinning, hair shedding, any sort of hair issue, can I recommend Nutrafol enough? It is a proactive approach that's going to target the root causes of why your hair might be thinning or shedding. So when I was in the middle of my weight loss journey, while I was like loving that journey, I wasn't loving the journey of my hair falling out. I didn't know that that was going to be part of the journey. And like I would be brushing my hair and actual clumps would be coming out. And Nutrafol is a hair growth supplement that's really going to target the root cause. So a lot of people, like mine was for change in diet,

right? A lot of people experience hair shedding, different stages of like postpartum, stress, change in diet, just different lifestyles. So they're going to target the root cause. It's the number one dermatologist recommended hair growth supplement brand. It's trusted by over a million people. They're seeing thicker, stronger, and faster growing hair with less shedding in just three to six months. It's physician formulated with a hundred percent drug-free ingredients. The supplements support healthy hair growth from within by targeting the root cause of thinning, which can be stress, hormones, aging, nutrition, lifestyle, metabolism. So many supplements rely on ingredient studies. Nutrafol clinically tests final formulations to ensure

their efficacy. So get results that you can run your fingers through. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners $10 off their first month subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter our promo code, The Toast. Find out why over 4,500 healthcare professionals and stylists recommend Nutrafol for healthier hair. That's N-U-T-R-A-F-O-L.com. Our promo code is The Toast. Nutrafol.com, promo code The Toast. Today's episode is also brought to you by Hero Bread. The holidays are better when you're not feeling guilty or worried about carbs.

And with Hero Bread, you can indulge in the soft, fluffy experience that you love but guilt-free. So we were just talking about the importance of bread yesterday, especially when it comes to a grilled cheese. So if you're cooking up a cozy pumpkin soup, perhaps a Hawaiian roll with dinner, checking out the Hero Bread products will change your life. And I used to be the type of person where I'm like, bread is bread and you can't make it healthier.

And like, that's it. And then Ben started bringing home Hero Bread because they started sponsoring good guys. And oh my God, like actually changed my life. I love all of their products. I do think that their wraps are the best, but it's personal. So obviously everybody has their own different, but it's like sometimes I will bring my own wrap to a restaurant and ask if they will use a Hero Wrap for me. And sometimes they do.

So you never know that it's low net carb and high fiber bread just from the texture Wrap for me, and sometimes they do. So you never know that it's low net carb and high fiber bread just from the texture, and there's really no compromises. It tastes good. Sometimes you're eating healthy bread, and you're like, this tastes healthy. Hero Bread tastes like bread, especially the tortillas. They taste so good, and you can get them in monthly small batch drops of indulgent flavors. So they also drop like their two gram net carb Hero Croissant, and they have new surprises coming over the holidays. So just like staying on top of Hero Bread is kind of going to change your life. They're also offering 10% off for your order to toasters when you go to hero.co and use our code toast at checkout. That's h-e-r-o.co. Our code is toast for 10% off. This has been one of my

biggest life hacks in getting off of Ozempic and like still eating things that I like. Like I like peanut butter and jelly. But on a Hero Bread, let me tell you, it's much better. Thank you, turd bread. You're welcome. Our first story, finally at long last, if you didn't Google it after yesterday's episode, now you may know the Forbes top creators of 2024. So are you ready to hear? I am. I thought, did you feel like the list was so strange? Because as I was reading the order, like the amount of money, because I thought like you would make the list based on how much money you make, but like it didn't go in numerical order. Like there were people who were number 12 who made more money than people in number five, you know, like they did it based on their own ranking system which is interesting but yeah because it says like it doesn't say like

highest earning creators like it doesn't say that it's just like a list of top to bottom I think they also editorialize it a little bit with they have their like entrepreneurship score so like if someone has a high score for like doing entrepreneurial I thought that was interesting just like getting brand deals or monetizing their YouTube channel like do they have other brands have they started a company like I think they use that to be like getting brand deals or monetizing their YouTube channel. Like, do they have other brands? Have they started a company? Like, I think they use that to be like, this is a top creator. Yeah, I thought that entrepreneurship score like was really interesting. Like, kind of like shady, no?

Because like, if you just make your money with like brand deals, that's not like a really dynamic or creative way of making a living right so for you and then there was like a blurb about them so it's like this person has a book a tour a podcast like all these different things and it was like kind of shady when it was like oh they work with different brands yeah so let's see who they were shady towards even though I feel like really like entrepreneurial like the first number one creator I feel like is the entrepreneur and by the way of creators and that like should set the bar for the entrepreneurship score because like he does a million things and that's mr beast his earnings forbes said are 85 million dollars this year he has a total following of 503 million dollars million followers oh my god i was like

wait what he um has an entrepreneurship score of four so let's just say that that's the highest score i didn't see anyone higher I didn't see anyone higher. I didn't see anyone higher either. And I think that like, yeah, creating, like what is his main beat? YouTube, right? Yeah. But he has Mr. Beast Chocolates.

He has that Lunchly company. Like there are so many other ways to create and generate revenue beyond like the stereotypical like influencer type of ways. And he's a good example of somebody who does a million different things. Yeah, he has an Amazon show coming out called Beast Games. And we've I mean we love talking about Mr. Beast. He like gets in a lot of trouble. I just think when you're seriously at that level well did you see the drama now with

Lunchly? Do you know what this is about? No. So him and Logan Paul started a company together that I actually think is really smart. I didn't even know that. It's a modern take on Lunchables. And it has like Mr. Beast chocolates in it and a prime in it. But it's supposed to be like less processed and just like a more forward modern version of Lunchables. And this girl, I don't know what type of content she makes. She was doing like a review comparing Lunchables to Lunchly and she opened the Lunchly and it was like covered in mold.

Hmm. And so it's kind of like people obviously like loved that and ran with it and like are you know was it expired it's everywhere no like she had just bought it that's not good and as we love to say like do better beast do better beast although I do think it's like actually a really good concept for a company kids are obsessed with Prime it's like actually a really good concept for a company. Kids are obsessed with Prime. It's like seriously, remember we had those like silly bands, animal band bracelets, like how you would die for one. Like that's what kids, they collect Primes. So if you give them a healthy lunch with a Prime in it, like they'll probably eat it.

Yeah. I am on the Prime PR list and the Mr. Beast PR list. So I would never. So am I. I don't want to step out of line. I also don't have anything negative to say. And I also share the PR with my neighbors who are like young boys who are obsessed I told they're obsessed right obsessed it's like I think that he's deserving of the first spot I don't know

who else I would even choose a hundred percent like that's and this is so funny because like when I think of creators I think of creators that I know and follow in like the beauty lifestyle space but there are so many other gamers that that kid who reviews toys like the creators that I know like aren't the only creators. Right. It's not just like Alex Earl. Alex Earl and Alex Earl. And Michaela.

Right. Right. And I want to talk about Michaela. Number two, Darman. He earned $45 million. Do you know who Dar Mann is? I do not. Can't say that I do.

Did anybody else actually have their jaw hit the floor when they saw how much money Dar Mann made? So you've probably seen, I don't know, it's more so on TikTok, but there are these really corny, staged, dramatized, kind of like PSAs where it's like a roommate is drinking her roommate's orange juice and doesn't refill it. It's like teaching people like valuable life lessons in a really sort of like stupid corny way.

Forbes called it a modern take on the after school special. Yes. And like a year or two ago, they started going so viral on TikTok and everybody was like, what are these videos? And then somebody like really explained it. Star man, this is what he does. I was shocked when I found out how much money he made. Like I didn't know you made money in this line of work.

And I just love to see people getting creative yeah he tackles bullying racism inequality as subjects for his videos that his team of more than 150 produced for his 23 million YouTube subscriber channel I mean there was one on fat phobia that like really kind of stuck with me as a youth myself yeah like this girl went to like this event and it was an open seat next to her and the girl was like heavier and there was a like one seat left and this girl showed up late and she like didn't want to sit next to the overweight girl and it was like and they do it in a way where it's like it's not actually like emotive like you're not like

evoking like I'm not gonna cry while watching it it's kind of cringe but it's hilarious it drives home the point and I it's driving home the revenue I'm shocked how much did he make 45 million dollars like no fucking way this says he over the last year he earned an estimated 45 million dollars via google adsense and brand partnerships and he also runs a creator agency and a beauty brand so an interesting thing about these lists that I feel like people don't know, it's very similar to like Forbes 30 under 30. Like they don't just choose you, right? You apply and you have to submit your tax returns. You can't say, hi, I'm Dhar Mann and I made $50

million. Like you have to substantiate it with paperwork. So sometimes they'll include people who didn't apply, who are like private about their money and they don't want it. Because I think a lot of, my first thought was like, I felt like a lot of people were missing from this list and then you have to think some people don't want other people knowing how much money they made yes but then I also think like someone like Mr. Beast or like the Paul brothers they have to be on this list whether or not they apply and share their tax returns Forbes can take a stab at estimating how much they made but if they only went by like who applied then they're not going to capture like the biggest fish right

I like I don't think Mr. Beast applied but it's like I don't think Mr. Beast applied I think he's above applying but I just find it interesting like for the people that I think we'll get down to the application section soon yes I think right now we're in the above applying section. I agree. Number three, Matt Rife earning $50 million with a entrepreneurship score of three. So even though he earned more than Darman, apparently he's less entrepreneurial, thus he's number three. So you'll see a lot of that.

I'm not gonna explain it every time. Yeah, I was shocked to see Matt Rife there. I feel like Matt Rife got a really big Live Nation deal over the course of like one or two years because he was on this list like or one of these lists last year and this year and it's like they keep putting him on for the same list for the same deal you know and that might be why his entrepreneurial ship score is lower although being on the road like is hella entrepreneurial yes and you forget like he really got his start on social media so I think this is a good like yeah I would have

forgotten I would have just put him on a list of comedians but yes he is a creator and that is yeah that's what he does number four always a fan favorite Charlie D'Amelio this year apparently she earned 23 million dollars she has an entrepreneurship score of four yeah she does a lot she does a lot she really does it's not just brand deal she starts her own company she's on broadway that's a good score yeah number five the stokes twins 20 million dollars so 10 each i had never heard of the not you being shady um i was unfamiliar with these people that was me like you know that's there's reminding you there's two of them one in one i don't know i hadn't heard of them I don't know them but

they're identical twin brothers who lead one of YouTube's fastest growing channels their videos of pranks challenges and vlogs entrepreneurs skip short score of three I'm gonna call that an es it's a mouthful an es score of three they're identical twin brothers who lead one of YouTube's fastest growing channels their videos of pr challenges, and vlogs regularly attract more than 40 million views. It's giving classic YouTubers. Yeah, but I had never heard of them. So that's not that classic. Maybe they're just very Gen Z.

Maybe. Mazel Tov. Are they related to Chase Stokes? They don't not look like him. I was thinking the same thing. Claudia, they don't not look like him. They look like the Sprouse twins. I thought the same thing.

They look like the brown haired Sprouse twins. Yeah. Okay. Maybe they get by on looking like people next Dixie D'Amelio 14 million dollar earnings I don't know on the list of like I love Dixie so no shade no hate but six number six on top creators like okay go Dix I agree and I really like Dixie D'Amelio but when you think about like all the people out there who are doing like creative things making a lot of money like making lots of news lots of views really Dixie D'Amelio does not come to mind and she barely posts anymore like she's higher than Jake Paul right like she probably makes a lot of money but and her entrepreneurship score being four I feel like the D'Amelio family has like a really good team around them.

And they start all these companies and they do all these things. But the girls aren't necessarily like driving that. This is giving I applied. And that what you just said is a high entrepreneurship score, though. If you can get to a place where it's not your person driving everything, that's actually a good thing to do. But yeah, six seems high. But like Dix at six, maybe they liked how it rhymed it's high it is but mazel tov to dixie she deserves the world number seven mark rober

he earned 25 million dollars with an es of three he's a former nasa engineer turned super creator who um does science focused content and dramatically teaches it. I like that. I like people on here like doing different weird things. And you know, whenever you're like looking for like, whether you're like doing homework or you're trying to like teach yourself how to knit, you Google like a YouTube, like how do I do this? And there are people who are taking a lot of time

out of their days to like make these instructional, educational videos. And you love to see them making $25 million a year. You really do um i think i just realized something about the list which i'll get to i like it i like science men in stem men in stem so congratulations to mark next number eight alex cooper earning 22 million dollars es Cooper earning $22 million, ES of four. First podcaster? First podcaster. On the list.

Yeah, but I'm sure some of these other people, and especially on the list, like they might eventually have podcasts too, but like. Not a podcaster by trade. Right. Podcaster first. Right. So you love to see that.

Rhett and Link, who are number nine. I don't know them, but people. It's like the Try Guys, Jackie. Rhett and Link. Who are number nine. I don't know them. But people. It's like the Try Guys. Jackie. Like. People. Love them. Claudia.

I think I figured out. How to. How to find out. Who applied. Oh. How? Look at the pictures. If they're in a Polaroid.

That was like. Taken by Forbes. Then they like. Sat for this. Start scrolling. Oh. You're 100% right. And if they're.

It's just a stock photo. Then. Oh. Okay. So. So far. Dhar Mann. 100% right. And if it's just a stock photo, then... Oh, okay. So, so far, Dhar Mann took a photo for Forbes. Matt Rife didn't. Dixie didn't. Maybe not. There's very few Polaroids, actually.

We'll see. If we get lower and everybody has a Polaroid, then yeah. There's definitely more Polaroids towards the bottom. Okay. So, like, yeah. Cabby Lame, classic TikToker. His entrepreneurship score is a three. I feel like he just like works with big companies.

Okay, let's get back to the list. We'll test this theory later. Who are Rhett and Link? I have no idea. Oh, okay, cool, cool. I just know people like them. Good Mythical Morning. Yeah, that's their thing.

It's like, you know, spooky. It's giving good morning millennials. Agreed. Next, Kabi Lame. Cool. The Charlie Chapman of digital media. Cool. Next, Drewski.

I love him. And honestly, like, I like to see him getting, you know, like, legitimate credit as being a real creator. Because, like, Jackie, he's the guy from goat vaccination spot with Jack Harlow and he said it says vacation dumbass like he has a lot of really viral moments he's very funny that is really funny okay yeah uh number 12 Logan Paul nine million dollars and then 13 is Jake Paul 13 million dollars interesting that Jake Paul makes more money than Logan and interesting that Logan is higher up on the list even though he he makes less money. I just feel like this is one where they sort of guessed it. And I think that they low balled because Prime,

the fighting, doesn't he make that much in a fight? By the way, Prime, Prime is literally, Prime outsold Gatorade last year. Right. So $9 million, sure. They don't have a Polaroid. I don't think they applied. I'm in agreement.

Lots of siblings on this list. You love to see that. You do. Number 14, Emma Chamberlain. Classic. $9 million ES score of four. And by the way, Emma Chamberlain is like notoriously private about money. I've heard her talk about it on a podcast before.

So she definitely did not apply for this list. And she doesn't have a Polaroid either. So, so far, it tracks. The theory is good. 15. Because so far, like the only people up there is like Dhar Mann. Like he would. Yeah. If I like Dhar Mann. Like he would. Yeah. If I was Dhar Mann I would want people to know. And Alex Cooper

has a Polaroid but I feel like she does a lot of press and a lot of Forbes. And all her money is always out there with these deals so like why wouldn't she do something like this. 15. Andre typical gamer rebello. Gamer. I'm unfamiliar.

We'll just leave it at that. He made $80 million, so gaming pays. Mark, Markiplier, Fischbach. It's funny how everyone has their little nickname. Girl with no job. Claudia, girl with no job, Asher. You're telling me Mark Fischbach isn't Haley Joel Osment? They look like twins. This is the first time I'm seeing this person.

Yeah, maybe they're related. You said a lot of siblings. See, look, he's number 16 he made 32 million dollars he has 70 million followers how is he below Dixie D'Amelio like that's where this list loses me yeah but he has an ES score of two so they don't really like what he's doing yeah 17 Marcus Brownlee 10 million dollars ES score of four has a Polaroid has a I feel like that tracks because I don't really know him. Yeah.

He does tech reviews. Oh, he does like tech, like gadgets. That's cool. That's big business. Yep. 18, Brent Riviera, $11 million. ES score of three. Has a Polaroid.

Definitely submitted himself. He does like really corny, like family channel type of TikToks. And I want to say, I'm noticing a trend. I feel like a lot of the people who I believe to have submitted themselves via the Polaroid theory. The Polaroid. It's very like Gen Z and it's very TikTok. Yeah.

And people who like, there's kind of not a lot, but there are a lot of them. And like, if you want to be noticed, you might have to put yourself in front of them. That's fair. 19, Adam W. $15 million ES score of two, no Polaroid. He's a classic. Okay.

No Polaroid, I believe that. Yeah. Number 20, Danny Austin, $13 million, ES score of three, no Polaroid. So I think some people would say, well, the Polaroid theory is defunct because Danny Austin, like, but- No, then you don't know Danny Austin Austin you know if you really follow like social media and you followed what Danny Austin has done in the last couple of years it's not shocking that she's on this list and I don't think she submitted herself like people don't realize like she literally makes

so much money yeah yeah so um mostly from Divi well one being a successful influencer she has three million followers but Divi is her hair care brand, which slaps. Yeah. And it's like sold everywhere now. So that makes sense. Number 21 is like the classic. People are always talking about this kid, Ryan. Have you heard about him?

No. So he like unboxes and reviews toys. It's all there. It's like the cutest, sweetest channel. Like if you're looking for, you know, any sort of details on a toy for your child he does toy reviews and for a while like a couple of years ago he was the number one earner on youtube like he crushes and he's 11 wow well 35 million dollar earnings but he has an es score of one probably just because he makes his money from ads he has

to go to school yeah yeah he does his videos and he doesn't have time to write a book. Yeah. And then next, Miss Rachel earnings $11 million, ES score of three. What is her entrepreneurial? I feel like that's the opposite of like what she does. She always just does her videos. It's giving Ryan. If I was Miss Rachel, I would be number one and I would have made $100 million.

Like Miss Rachel is not a capitalist and that's fine. Like not everyone has to be like hustle, hustle. But let me know. If I had my pulse, if I had my finger on the pulse of a young generation in the way that she does. Ms. Rachel branded toys that she only plays with. I would have a billion dollar brand. Or even, like, partner with a Fisher-Price. Come out with a, like, she's just really not.

I bet she has said that. Like, she doesn't give a rip. She has said that. Like, she's not doing this for, like, yeah, she makes a lot of money, and that's more than enough for her. that like she doesn't give a rip she she has said that like she's not doing this for like yeah she makes a lot of money and that's more than enough for her like she doesn't need but why does she have an ES score of three I don't know the ES score is a little confusing she also doesn't have a Polaroid she did not apply she did not apply she probably like burns forbes magazines in her backyard 23 sean jack spicey mclaughlin okay let's just move on i don't know who that is great and he doesn't have a polaroid number 24 kai sanat i thought this was low low earning low on the list when he is the most famous twitch streamer like i actually just saw he released like

a promo because he's doing 30 days of non-stop streaming in november and it was they had kim kardashian in the video like he is huge he's a he started uh prime with logan paul oh wow maybe i was surprised to see him this low maybe they just i don't think that they do they said he made eight million dollars he has an es score of two right and that's just not true he started prime yeah it's yeah right it's I don't like it next Nick Nick Merck's called chef 13 million dollars another twitch twitch guy es score of three yeah okay next Nick DiGiovanni I know you don't know him i do he's like probably one of the biggest cooking slash chef people on tiktok like in really high quality videos he's so he's like the first chef because there's a lot of creators who do food interesting that he's the first one on the list

with earnings of five million dollars es score and interesting it says he went to harvard i didn't know that no wonder the es score is high 27 Josh Richards six million dollars ES score of three I would have said that like Josh Richards submitted himself because honestly like I don't think so I think one he doesn't have a Polaroid and two I think he makes more than what they estimated I feel like he's I feel the way about him as I do about like Dixie like perhaps at one point in time. Think of BFFs. Yeah, I know.

He's on a popular podcast. That's like, that's actually it. Like, I don't know why his entrepreneur. He has 35 million followers. Yeah. But by the way, there are a lot of people on TikTok. Not that it's like anything to snap at, but like there are a lot of people with like 10s, 20s, 30s million followers.

Like, I don't know. I feel like Josh Richards is like random on this list he advises lifestyle brands including vegan clothing company unhide are those the blankets I don't know you know unhide blankets oh they're pargylicious I only know Mickey Couture no that's awesome they're both pretty parge next Felix QXE Lengel Twitch streamer who made 36 million dollars happy for him number 29 Zach King I thought he would be way higher I'm not sure if you know him but like when it comes to like putting out premium content and working with the world's most fancy brands like he is and he gets like he does a video 100 million views oh okay it's a kind of magical like he does

like kind of magical realism if you will 100 million views on tiktok or on youtube oh everywhere everywhere so his earnings seem low but he doesn't have a yeah that's what they probably couldn't guess i think they got it wrong number 30 alex earl earnings 8 million es score of 2 that feels right both of those i feel like 8 million dollars like is what she makes I thought this was interesting because like I think like last year when the list came out so many people were on it and this is how I was gonna say about like Michaela um Nagara she was on it said she made like one or two million dollars and it's because she had just blown up and the earnings for the year prior like didn't match up to the earnings so these I feel like for all like the people that really blew up during like the 2022-2023 era like Michaela J. Wakeup, Alex Earl

I feel like these are the first time we're gonna see like accurate numbers in terms of how much money they make and that's why I found the list so interesting. Yeah number 31 Livvy Dunn four million dollars ES score of three. I feel like there are a lot of random creators who make about four million dollars a year And so like why now? Why this Libby Dunn? Because she was in the background of our vlog at Luke Holmes. Probably. And she made $4 million from that, huh?

Probably. But she's cute. Like she doesn't offend me. But I just feel like now we're getting into like could have been anyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And now it's like who just made their way across someone's desk. Addison being number 32 and allegedly only making $3.4 million does not sound right to me.

Me neither. Although like she did take off quite a bit of time and maybe those, maybe like her tax return that she submitted had that time period. I don't know. I don't know. But doing like movies and music and still brand deals, $3.4 million doesn't feel right

it doesn't number 33 Mikaela Naguero Claudia's favorite earning 7 million es score of two yeah I thought this was interesting one her es score is low but like she really does makeup and she makes her makeup videos and she does makeup brands and makeup clubs like she doesn't stray and I actually think that's why she's so successful she doesn't try and do a million things like her talent is makeup her knowledge is makeup and she never leaves the space and honestly what is she gonna do a podcast like it's good no but if she started a makeup line like then it would go up but I guess but like I think that's how a lot of people actually end up flopping so I agree it's good um just interesting that I would argue she's like the most one of the most like mainstream

successful tiktokers in terms of brand deals and, you know, brand trips and interesting that she made $7 million. I just find that interesting. That feels a little low. Don't you find? Yeah. Yeah. Like not like, yeah,

but she doesn't have a Polaroid. However, she did take a picture on like a background that does look Forbesy. Like a headshot. A vibe. Yeah. Just something to consider. Next.

There actually are quite a few people with, maybe it's not the, okay. Maybe it's not the Polaroid. Okay. There actually are quite a few people with, maybe it's not the, okay, maybe it's not the Polaroid. Okay. Maybe it's like, actually, I don't know.

Wait, by the way, also when they give an image credit, like Getty Images, they definitely took it from like Google. Oh, you're right. But when there's no image credit,

they took the picture. If there's no image credit, it's that person submitted. Or it's no image credit it's a that person submitted or it's from like an old forbes thing that they participated in so like alex earl's picture is forbes no no credit livy duns is forbes addison rays is not michaela's is jake shanes is not yeah jake shanes is not oh so jake shane is number 34 six million dollars es score of two at number 35 alexa riviera jaggi she number 34. $6 million. He has a score of two. At number 35, Alexa Rivera. Jackie, she's Brent.

Remember I was saying, like, a couple of... Yeah. Siblings. That's her sister. Oh, cool. And we both pronounced their last name wrong because it's Rivera. We threw an I in there. My bad.

My bad. Cute. Cute. At number 36, Bailey Sarian. Yeah, she does, like, her makeup while talking about death. And people love it i had heard of her before oh cool yeah uh number 37 flaw jay johnson she's a basketball kind of like livy dunn the two lsu students that's interesting seven million dollars number 38 i just seen let's talk

about i just dean who's been doing this since 2007 and is still on the list. Credit to her. I want to say credit to iJustine as well, like to make it this long in this industry. And actually follow her on TikTok. I get like cool like iPhone hacks from her. Good on you. Good on you.

Number 39, Alan Chicken Chow. He has one. YouTube shorts. One billion viewers a month. Shorts, not the shorts. Wow, that's interesting. Number 40, Nara Smith, $6 million. I do think that Nara Smith is, in terms of the numbers they were running,

I think that she made most of her money this year, and I think that the tax returns are from the year prior. But she didn't blow up until this year with Joe Jonas dating Stormi. Stormi but she didn't blow up until this year with um joe jonas dating stormy maybe yeah that was so this is not a tax return this is like a guesstimate i think because this feels low although what's interesting about nara smith is that like the way she does cooking right like homesteading and the route she chose to take is in fashion and that's not the highest paying industry like if you want to make the most money as an influencer you'll work with walmart as opposed to ralph lauren but she does ralph

lauren and hourglass cosmetics like not the most uh i think brands that typically pay less but they're more fabulous yeah mark jacobs that one went viral the tote bag i i think she'll be higher on the list next year but i think give me two um i think she's doing higher on the list next year. But I think she's doing great things. The next two are TikTokers, who I know you don't know, but they have like good platforms. I think that they could have been like, no, no, I actually, I think they're placed right. And their number, like, I just find it interesting

because I feel like they're at the same level, but it says Monet McMichael makes $8 million and Drew makes 2 million. Like Drew has more followers and a higher entrepreneurship score well Monet is very much like Michaela Jay like she sits she does makeup she does a brand deal she goes on brand trips she's not doing anything besides what she knows which is makeup okay so and Drew I don't really know what her beat is but she does a podcast I see her like around doing like red carpet stuff like she hust hustles more. But she makes less money.

Yeah. So she's someone who has a Polaroid and two million dollars. So like. I see. Applied. Applied. Yeah. Yeah. No shame in it.

None. By the way. 43. Jordan the Stallion. Four million dollars. ES score of two. Polaroid. Haley Bailey is a TikToker.

She's number 44. she's actually a huge tiktoker like she should be on this list great and she is yeah that's good 45 ian boggs 1.6 million dollars es score of three and a polaroid yeah i think there are probably dozens of influencers who make this amount who could have been on this list and it's just him for editorial reasons no it's him because he has 34 million followers and this is what is so interesting about the internet and just like you can have 34 million followers and make 1 million dollars a year and you can have 1 million followers and make 34 million dollars a year like just because you have 34 million followers like he has more followers than most people on this list and he's fifth to last got it that's what's interesting also i just scroll down to methodology i feel like we do

this every time but to make the list they estimated each creator's gross earnings between june 2023 and june 2024 okay we count earnings not equity held in public and private companies our partners at influential provided follower counts across oh i guess that's like prime okay that's what it count I don't know for the entrepreneur rank they scored candidates on a one to four scale ranging from people who make most of their money from traditional advertising to folks who building their own companies brands and services yeah and I just want to say we don't have to go through the last five they're all like interchangeable tiktokers who I like see on my for you page that are not

necessarily uh and there's a lot of polaroids and not credited images right so so there you go what are your thoughts I feel like I'm such a nosy person and lists like this like make me happy because I'm finding things out like I want to know like and in this industry like you know I know what I make and I know how many followers I have and like I want to know what other people do. Like, how am I doing compared to other people? And I think a lot of people are obsessed with knowing how much money influencers make. Like, they want the dollars and cents. And so lists like this, like, really feed that curiosity, myself included. Yeah.

Do you feel fed? I do. Does that feel right? According to your head? I don't know. I don't know, like, who specifically. But I do feel like people are missing from this list. Yeah.

And it's really interesting to note there, I don't know, maybe podcasters aren't considered creators. Like would you consider like Tim Dillon a creator, you know? Yeah, that's where it starts to get a little confusing because he's a comedian. Because I feel like there actually are a lot of podcasters missing from this list. And like where are all the fashion girlies,

the revolve girls? That's like, that's no longer the way. It's minimum $2 million. Yeah, but I think when you are making this list, like they said, there's many different factors and methods and one of them is like relevance, right? So yeah, you maybe still are earning a living back in like the Instagram blogger revolve days,

but that's really not what people think of anymore when they think of creators. They think of TikTokers and streamers and Twitchers, you maybe still are earning a living back in, like, the Instagram blogger revolve days. But that's really not what people think of anymore when they think of creators. They think of TikTokers and streamers and Twitchers, you know? Yeah, but there should be, like, a little bit of everything. Actually, I don't agree. Like, I think that what we define as a creator, like, constantly changes. And I actually wouldn't really consider, like, those bloggery revolve girlies as, like, creators. I think of them really as influencers. And I think the two are different.

Okay. And I just find it interesting that there's, and I think like they included Alex Cooper, not really as a podcaster. She is also like a creator. Like she has tons of followers. Like, I don't know. I feel like there are podcasters missing,

but, and I just think about it because I'm a podcaster and I know like, if you have a podcast of a certain size, like you are making significant revenue. So, and more so than most of the people on this list yeah I think it's more probably comes sounds like a lack of application and presenting like funds or maybe like are we considering podcasters who aren't also influencers like people who just podcast for a living are we considering them is Tom Segura a creator My brain is broken by all these different terms. I know.

Yeah. Like, is Joe Rogan a creator? Because he would be number one on the list. No. Okay. No. Okay. But, like, Tim Dillon is more of a creator to me.

But he's actually technically a comedian. But so is Matt Rife. He has a Patreon. You're creating. Yeah, yeah. No. I don't know. Where do we draw the line?

I don't know. I don't know. I'm sure they have this internal battle as well yeah moving on our next story like how did burner should have been on that list you know yeah but maybe she maybe she didn't want podcaster and creator I'm sure people comedian and I'm sure there are people who don't want who can't like avoid it like Emma Chamberlain yeah I mean like no matter who what your preferences are if you're at a certain level like they're going to include you on the list but I think yeah I think also like the whole thing with being a creator and a podcaster I mean excuse me an Instagram or influencer whatever you want to call it is like your whole shtick is relatability and you're able to make millions off of that but if people were to

see it in black and white like they would you would lose that sense of relatability so I think a lot of people are wary of with wists lists like this our next story love is dead Channing Tatum and Zoe Kravitz have split after three years together and they've called off their engagement love is dead what I was really shocked by this me too I told you like yesterday there's been a lot of shocking news. Shocking. And like to me, this is one of those things. Like what? I don't know.

And when you are both so good looking and famous and your best friends with Taylor Swift, like what is there to fight about? And like of course they're an unlikely couple, right? Because he- Yeah, but I've moved past that because it's been three years. Right. We've moved past the unlikeliness similar to Kim Kardashian and Pete Davidson and Kristen and Mark however those were seven months this was three years they were engaged no and she just did that movie and he was in it and she

produced it and like everyone was like hyping up what the hell happened like what could come between them now they are they knew each other they knew who the other was they're adults you know so it's not like they've changed that much in the last three years. I'm upset. I'm in shock. They were engaged. They were engaged. They called off the wedding.

What the hell? I would just get married so Taylor Swift would come to my wedding and then get divorced. I am so heartbroken. Confused. And confused, yeah. Like, actually confused. Maybe we'll find out more in time.

Maybe. Maybe they just got tired of each other. I mean that's a marriage though you know. Yeah but it's like they're not married

so maybe now's the time to call it. Something must have happened because as of recently like they were both promoting that movie together. They were working together. They were were living together they were loving together like what happened you think i need to know it kind of only makes sense if that i don't know

he seems like a very you know i know he's like this big heart though he seems like a very one woman type of man like he's into relationships he was with his wife and then jesse j like he doesn't date a lot. Like I don't know. And they both seem like very stable and sound of mind individuals. Not like one of them went off the deep end and was like partying and cheating. I don't know. I don't know either.

I do want to know. I was thoroughly surprised. As was I. And not happy. But no. And I do think for a lot of people like they had a lot riding on this relationship. You know in terms of like they really ship them so I'm thinking of you guys today yeah me as well and we'll leave it at that until we know more yeah and I don't think we are gonna know more which is annoying are you ready for our next story I think I am it's a little music news because you've got the music in you I always have

the music in me as does now Travis Kelsey because he and Jason are giving a sneak peek of their song together on the new Christmas album so every year yeah Jason does this Jason does a Christmas album I think last year yeah with the Eagles but it's like Jason's thing I think or at least that's how I see it and last year people thought maybe like Taylor would go on or Travis but this year Travis is going on. They posted a sneak peek to social media featuring Travis showing off his singing skills in his new song It's Christmas Time in Cleveland Heights. So they said this is a song that came out of this great brain. I feel like it tickles the nerve that we've not done yet.

I also think when Travis hears it, he's going to be very excited about it, Jason said of the song. So this is like the sweetest thing that Jason Kelsey does, right? Like he does it every year. He raises a ton of money for his community. All the Eagles get involved

and it's like this fun thing that the fans love. And yeah, I mean, I'm happy Travis is a part of it, but like Taylor should really get in there. Like it's so this fun thing that the fans love and and yeah I mean I'm happy Travis is a part of it but like Taylor should really get in there like it's so unserious it's time maybe when they're married it's time that would be amazing you know she's very like oh you know a lot of people are freaking out because I'm sure you didn't see this because it's really for the chronically online but Olivia Rodrigo's um video netflix thing came out and people noticed in the credits because you in a concert dvd you have to give all the songwriting credits right so in deja vu there's like you know jack antonoff taylor swift but then there's like this line

it's a kind of like a legal disclaimer about deja vu like this song embodies portions of cruel summer by taylor swift and a lot of people are just like obviously clinging on to that because we never really got closure on what happened with those two so Deja Vu was the song that was there was a few between them because what's the one that sounded like New Year's Day that's what I but she but she did sample New Year's Day right she didn't just like steal it yeah she took the New Year's Day melody and like played it backwards as like an homage Jack Antonoff and Taylor Swift have writing credits on Deja Vu on the concert DVD because it sounds like Deja Vu or because she was in the studio with Jack Antonoff no because they say it embodies portions of Cruel Summer which is so funny because

actually yeah you listen to One Step Forward Two Step Back it sounds like New Year's Day like you hear it you listen to Deja Vu I don't even hear Cruel Summer. But apparently, like, in a legal sense, something must be. You can't just, like. There must be legal validity to it. Damn. No, and Jackie, when the credits are rolling, like, all the songs of, like, a couple songwriters. And then under Deja Vu, there's, like, three paragraphs.

Okay. So there it is in black and white there it is yeah and you think that's what came through between them as friends even though like a thousand percent you don't think it like it was congress with like her being a big fan of hers and inspired by her and then being like giving her the credit of course but the timeline so who's mad at when that i think olivia's mad at taylor for coming after her and like for the kind of maybe like stealing her moment i don't know yeah like and taylor's like listen you could do it but you got to give you know taylor is a

litigious queen and artists rights and it's like listen you're gonna take my hook like make millions off of it that doesn't really work yikes I guess it's friendship can't come back from that oh no no no but I actually saw like a super cut of all the women's Taylor and Olivia like were besties and I forgot that there was like that one year period where they were obsessed with each other like she gave her the red ring she released uh fearless Taylor's version and had her and Conan Gray like make all these little music video things for it like there was a lot and then up I mean years before that Olivia Rodrigo just posting on social media all about Taylor Swift her singing covers like there's deep lore there yeah yikes yeah I feel weird yeah so all that to say like Taylor is like a very business oriented and I

don't think her just like hopping on this like a random charity album like I think her people maybe maybe if they reached out like her people might have stalled it like oh well we need to redline this contract yes but I feel like for charity like she really would be down she's very charitable yeah and she could do like a cover of Christmas tree farm and maybe like give Travis a verse maybe he could write a little like rap or something when and we are going to start talking about it soon because the season is upon us but like when we talk about modern original Christmas music like we really don't talk about Christmas tree farm enough as really being top tier it's so true like obviously Underneath the Tree by Kelly is amazing all I want for Christmas like those have become classics and I think that Christmas Tree Farm is like grossly

underrated. And she released it like there wasn't like a big hoopla around it. She had recorded it really fast and just like gave it to us one day. Like I don't know if there was a music video. Like she didn't do a lot of promo for it and maybe that's why. But it's so good. Yeah. So I think like it needs its own moment. And I think on the Jason Kelsey Philly special Christmas album would be a really great time for that. And then what's that other one? Ariana Grande has one that really. Santa tell me if you're really there. No, but that's a cover, right?

No? Hmm. Let me look. Santa tell me. Oh, oh, oh, I don't. Oh, no, that's Kelly Clarkson. Eat a thing. Santa, tell me, first one that comes up is Ari.

Okay, that's a good one, too. Yeah. I'll send a letter to you. That song is so good. Yeah, the album's really good. And we have Sabrina's Christmas Spectacular coming out soon. We do, and Kelly just dropped a sequel album to her holiday album. I saw that. It comes out in three days. I saw she posted it out soon. We do. And Kelly just dropped like a sequel album to her holiday album.

I saw that. It comes out in three days. I saw she posted it out today. It's called When Christmas Comes Around Again. Releases in one day. Listen, when you're that talented, like, why not? Just keep going.

Yeah. Okay, well, in two days, we'll be able to really appreciate these things. But like right now, We're focused on Halloween But like Yeah it's so true Catch me on November 1st I'll see

We'll see you guys then Are you ready For our next story Yeah Kind of got an assortment Of last stories I thought I would wait Till the last moment

To choose But this next story I'm really obsessed with This was always Going to be a story Okay Two people Who in the same sentence

Just make a lot of sense Okay Kristen Cavallari Admits that she Rejected chef Bobby Fly when he slid into her DMs. Okay. So did you see this? I saw these clips. Of course. Did you see this week first that Kristen Cavallari and Bobby Fly were making content together?

They did the Cucumber Mandalorian. To promote their podcast episode. Right. And when I saw them cooking together, I said to myself. Ship. Self. I'm like what I'm seeing here. Yeah. When I saw them cooking together, I said to myself, ship self. I'm like what I'm seeing here. Yeah.

And now she's talking about when he slid into her DMs and asked her out for dinner. But it was actually a big misunderstanding. So she called the foot and mouth moment as the chef made an appearance on Tuesday's episode of Let's Be Honest. He said, I DMD when I said to you, I'm going to be in Nashville for one night. Can I take you to dinner? And you literally said something to me like, I'm already dating somebody.

Yikes. She had a slightly different version of events. She said, or I was like, I'm over dating right now. I was burnt out on dating or something. However, Bobby stuck to his story. No, you said, I've started already seeing somebody. And I just said, I just want to go to dinner with you. He replied laughing.

Do you think it was Mark Estes? Yes. Like imagine turning down Bobby Flay for a 25 year old like that's insane no but she was so happy like nothing could have come in her way and like maybe she got a bad taste in her mouth from beat Bobby Flay but now that the stars have aligned for these two let me tell you this is the only thing that could redeem Bobby Flay in my mind okay so Bobby Flay obviously is really tarnished in our minds one because like be Bobby Flay is actually like a really fucked up concept for a show but also and I just recently re-watched it he plays himself in Entourage and he starts dating Ari's wife and like you're supposed to date him and he's just like kind of prick and I see him as that like it was actually a really an effective role he acted really well

um so I don't like see Bobby Flay and think you know love I know but he's someone like we spoke about this week where in a relationship like everything that I thought could be changed they so she was saying she shouldn't have assumed like he meant romantically but I'm sorry like if you want to go to a business of course you should assume that you you send an email if you like want to see what's up with someone, you send a DM. I don't think it's presumptuous at all. They said that they wound up going to dinner and that they had a really good time.

And I just. Do you think they're dating? I don't think they're dating yet, but I think like right now, like they might be texting each other like flirty emojis right today. I actually really like that, even though I don't particularly love him.

Was he married to Miss Sandra Lee? Was he? I believe he was, no? Don't quote me on that, hold on He dated a girlfriend for three years Christina Perez, not Sandra Lee No, I'm sorry, they haven't I totally made that up

Wow, it's crazy how you actually can make things up Yeah, but it sounds good Sounds nice. Claudia, I think I need to listen to their podcast episode, like, just to see if the vibes are right. You should watch it. It's a video, too. And you could, like, see the chemistry.

I'm genuinely obsessed. I love when people meet on podcasts. Yeah. It's a great way to meet people. It really is. If you do an interview show. And also, like, if you have a crush on someone, you could be like, come on my podcast. And then, like. Right. And then from there, you can each see.

Yeah. I was, this was an unlikely pairing. Like, when I saw that video of them, one of the podcast clips, I was like, how do these two people even know each other? I know. Like, how did Bobby Flay find out who Kristen Cavallari is? Maybe his kids watch the OC. She's big in the food space.

Kristen Cavallari is? Yeah, she has cookbooks. She has best in the food space. Kristen Cavallari. She has cookbooks. She has best-selling cookbooks. Yes. She's a bad. What I was going to say, the only issue between them, it's like who would be cooking dinner

because they both cook and she's very clean. Jackie, if you think Bobby Flay is going to let anybody cook for him, that's not Bobby Flay. Like you're crazy. I think he would let his queen, Kristen, cook for him.

I actually don't think. She makes a lot of cooking content. She has many successful cookbooks she is I didn't know any of that big in the food space and she's clean she's not on talks I should get her cookbooks you should yeah the way she measures when she does her cooking videos though like gives me so much anxiety she'll be like half a teaspoon and like measure it in the hole of her palm okay literally baked by Melissa like girl use a measuring cup like how are we supposed

to follow um like how like how do you know what size divot to make in your palm it's it's expert level cooking we need to normalize um measuring ingredients like it's kind of a lost art yeah we do when it comes to like video tutorials and it's annoying however like I understand it's annoying. However, like I understand it's unnecessary dishes if you are like very much an expert cooker, but still, calm down. Calm down. Anyways, ship wholeheartedly. Wishing them the best. Before we continue,

I want to let you know that today's episode is brought to you by Saks.com. So Saks.com is the premier digital platform for luxury fashion. And with the holidays right around the corner, Saks is making it easy to find the perfect gifts for even the pickiest of girlies on our list, including myself, with an expertly crafted curated assortment of fashion. So, whether you're shopping for that hard-to-please family member, Jackie, someone that seems

to have everything, Jackie, or even your ultra-stylish bestie, Jackie, Saks.com has you covered with the most versatile selection of fashion, beauty, home decor, and more. Let's be real. Gift giving is not everyone's love language. It can be daunting and super stressful, especially around the holiday season. But with Saks.com's holiday gift guide, you'll be able to find the perfect gifts for her,

him, beauty gifts, gifts for kids with ease. We all need a little inspiration when it comes to holiday shopping and Saks.com provides you with just that. Let's not forget that Saks.com can also help you find your own holiday vibe. You can upgrade your party looks, treat yourself to top designers like Alice and Olivia, Prada, Gucci, and more.

And after all, holiday shopping is never complete without spoiling yourself just a little bit. So if you're looking for gifts that will help you win this holiday season, head to Saks.com now for a seamless shopping experience. Whether you're shopping for loved ones or treating yourself to something special, Saks.com will give you endless inspiration that will enhance your holiday season. Get ready to be the best gift giver ever and find gifts guaranteed to bring joy every heart to shop for a person this season at Saks.com.

Let's make this holiday season memorable for you and your loved one. That's Saks.com, S-A-K-S. Jax, I know that you felt really passionately about something that you wanted to share. I did. It was to let you know that today's episode of The Toast is brought to you by Huggies Little Movers. Huggies knows that babies come in all shapes and sizes, and their tushies do too. Isn't that such a cute truth?

Huggies has more curves and outstanding fit. Moms know that there's nothing worse than an ill-fitting diaper, especially for your active babies. It can cause leaks. It can cause discomfort. It is just not the vibe. It's also gross. Like, let's be real. Yeah. sitting diaper especially for your active babies it can cause leaks it can cause discomfort it is just not the vibe so it's a gross like let's be real yeah I love huggies because I can rely on them to keep my baby covered while they move around so they do a lot of moving different

stages different movements but still lots of it and huggies is designed to fit all of those different movements whether it's crawling kicking walking sliding walking, sliding, going down the slide, that is not diaper-friendly activity, unless your diaper is Huggies. Huggies Little Movers are curved to fit all curves, so my babies feel comfy no matter how much they're moving around, and they're moving a lot. They also offer 12-hour protection against leaks, which is a game-changer.

So get your baby's butt into the best-fitting diaper, Huggies Little Movers we got you baby um and I want to say as some a very involved auntie who does change a lot of diapers I can attest to the fact that the kids really love them they have like really cute designs on them like Simba and stuff they really know what the kids like they know what the kids need they do they do a lot of fun collabs the diapers are really cute and sometimes you get to an age where they need to hold a diaper while changing their diaper and the Huggies ones are feast for the eyes. Today's episode is also brought to you by Cozy Earth. Staying cozy is so paramount for Gargi Parchee Fall and Cozy Earth is sort of a cornerstone of Gargi Parchee Fall. They have so

many products that we love. Their bamboo sheet sets,'re bamboo pajama sets for women. Cozy Earth is just a brand that's product quality and durability really withstand the test of time. Their bedding and bath products have a 10-year warranty. All their bedding products come with a 100-night sleep trial, but you'll really fall in love after the first night. When it comes to like bedding and things that we wear to bed, Cozy Earth is a cornerstone. So their bamboo pajama sets are timeless. They are perfect for bedtime, and bedtime really can't come soon enough when you're waiting to slip into these Cozy Earth pajamas. They're crafted with soft stretch knit that features enhanced breathability and a relaxed

fit. You will not want to take them off and their bamboo sheet set, so you can indulge in unmatched comfort with their bamboo sheet set. Sleeping on Cozy Earth sheets is like sleeping on a cloud. They are incredibly soft. It even gets softer with every wash. It just gets better and better over time. The sheets are crafted with cutting-edge technology to regulate your body temperature.

So whether you sleep cool or hot, you will be comfortable. And you really won't want to go back to anything else with the holiday season also being upon us for like the cozy person in your life. Some people are just bed people, you know. Cozy Earth makes a really great gift. If you want to check it out, go to CozyEarth.com slash the toast use our code toast for an exclusive discount up to 40%

and there is a post-purchase survey so if you get a post-purchase survey please say that you heard about Cozy Earth from the toast wrap yourself in luxury this fall with Cozy Earth thank you Cozy Turt you're welcome

our fifth and final story a little update from I think one of your favorite stories so I picked this one for you because Cynthia Rivo is defending her clap back of the fan edited wicked poster okay actually I saw this clip and I think this headline is misleading because I didn't feel like she was defending it I think she just kind of like I had watched that video and I said oh this is a person who's given up like on this particular battle. She conceded. So she defended like why she did it. Explain probably is a better word.

But then sort of sat this one out because she explained. You could tell she like when the person asked the question, like she actually felt stupid. She explained why she felt so passionately about a fan edited Wicked poster after receiving backlash over her response. So when asked about the viral moment at the CFDA Fashion Awards on Monday, she told Entertainment Tonight that her reply wasn't necessarily a clapback, but instead a representation of how much she cares about the upcoming film. She said, quote, I think I'm really protective of the role. I'm passionate about it, and I know that the fans are passionate about it,

and I think for me it was just a human moment of wanting to protect little Elphaba. However, she then admitted she should have run her remarks by a few friends before posting. She said, I probably should have called my friends but it's fine she said with a laugh okay I just want to say like anybody who is like grown enough to like admit when they've been a little silly like is okay in my book like I think that well I didn't agree with her like outburst how she recovered from it and she was put on the spot she did not know she was going to be asked that question you could tell she was like a little surprised um I thought she recovered really beautifully and I thought it showed a sense of like self-awareness that I really respected

honestly to be honest when she posted what she posted like it really didn't like raise that many flags for me because I wasn't following it closely but now like that we can look back on it now that we have hindsight rereading what her statement was is so crazy Jackie it was a crazy like it was seriously the most unnecessary crazy statement of all time she said this is the wildest most offensive thing I have ever seen she said none of this is funny none of it is cute it degrades me it degrades us and meanwhile they were really harmless edits that she was referring to obviously people can make an edit that actually is offensive right yeah no they were all funny

like in good spirit and really like not a big deal at all yeah deeply hurtful I yeah it got a little wild there she went a little nuts and I think that she can acknowledge that is huge I also think that and I think that she can acknowledge that is huge. I also think that her handling of this question was pretty perfect. Like we're laughing it off. We're recognizing that we should have phoned a friend. And kudos to the interviewer who asked the question because I see Cynthia Erivo

and like I want to ask her about this. Yeah, but what's also crazy, I feel like whenever you post something like this to a story, like anyone, when they're ever posting like something nature such as this, like you do always ask, you do screenshot and send it a story, like anyone, when they're ever posting like something major such as this, like you do always ask, you do screenshot and send it to the chat. Like, should I post this? Of course.

Like whenever like you're someone with a platform and you're going to post something like kind of serious, like you always run it by like your peeps. Yeah, I just see on my computer I have a people modification. It looks to have Jenna Dewan and Zoe Kravitz in it. So let me just see if there's anything breaking. You want me to check my phone? You don't have to check your computer.

I get People Magazine. Jenna Dewan's fiance, Stephen Kazee, posts ha-ha on Instagram as Channing Tatum and Zoe Kravitz breakup news. Yeah, I see that. But like, ha-ha, what do you mean? Okay, Steve Kazee. We're on our way.

Oh, by the way, I see. Look, Jackie, it's an Instagram story. Black background, white text. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. Probably a hundred times. Excuse me? excuse me yeah no this is weird don't be fucking rude this is worthy of a people magazine breaking news notification no that's real the houseve kazee is he the one on the twilight album yeah he is excuse me he is on the thousand years song from twilight with as a singer he it says christina perry steve kazee i. As a singer? It says Christina Perry, Steve, because I think as a singer.

I'm shocked. Yeah, I don't know. How did you know that? I just, that's my association with his name, is the Twilight album. Let's see what he does, that he's laughing so hard. He's an actor, singer, and producer. He was in Shameless, Claudia.

I've never seen him, but you know what it reminds me of? It's this TikTok sound sound it's Nicki Minaj Broke bitches should never laugh like You recognize his name from one song From an album from 20 years ago like Seriously what are you laughing at wait He's from Shameless Walking Dead in

Nashville he won a Tony Award broke Bitches should never laugh like seriously I'm you laughing at something that we find painful Not cool Well that's the damn truth Listen we're going on an hour 15 And we haven't even done Deer Toaster's Ed Should we postpone?

I think it's giving a push till tomorrow PTT Yeah it's giving a push till tomorrow And honestly doing Deer Toaster's in costume Oh we'll have amazing advice for you So I think it's to the best today the creator list just kind of got away from us we spent like 45 minutes on it does anybody even care I do I don't think the audience cares as much as we do yeah it's like it's very inside baseball time very personal to us yeah it's personal to us and I just want you guys to like

just understand that that's why we took so much time doing it like It meant a lot it meant something it means something to us if you need to fast forward through it like we don't We're not offended. I won't take it personal. It's not deeply hurtful Well, that's our show you guys Thank you so much for listening to the toast of millennia morning show where we deliver the fast five stories You need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube. So if you're watching us on YouTube Please don't forget to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up We're also available as a podcast anywhere. Podcasts can be found on Spotify, iTunes, Stitcher, Public Radio,

iHeartRadio, CastBox, all the places. We have a list of podcasts found on social media, five-star review, and we will send you a weekly talented. We are. Love ya. Bye.