The Toast - Brunson Boy Summer: Monday, June 15th, 2026

Episode Date: June 15, 2026

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Jert's leaving today. I'm not leaving you guys. That could be confusing. I'm sad. Yeah, it could be confusing if you're dumb. Well, you just never know when we're like making an announcement. And leaving. Cojourner, Fred.

One thing about us, we are constantly leaving. We're literally never leaving. You could have said that about us like in the past. The most stable forces in the podcast industry. If you want to do toast at a glance, we can go there. Like we can. I mean, it's too early on a Monday to start toasting at a glance. Especially we have so much to talk about today.

The Knicks are NBA championship. The Alex Cooper hip piece has arrived like, and I use the word hip piece, extremely lightly. So much to discuss. The girls are back together. I barely spoke to you this weekend because you were on a co-journer, Fred. I was. I barely spoke to you this weekend.

I forgot. Like, how are you? I'm wearing a t-shirt. I'm wearing a t-shirt. Yeah, a little yellow t-shirt with a little pink pant. I've just, like, given up completely on Luke's. Like, I'm just not in my aesthetic era. It's fine.

I agree. But I got two new pairs of pants that are, like, keeping me afloat. I think we're wearing the same pair of pants. Mine are rag and bone. Who's their yours? We're not, I don't know, but it's not like a company I've ever heard of. So we're not wearing the same. And of course, the two pairs of pants, like are the same rag and bone pants just in two

different colors. Yes. Yes, yes. If I like it, I'll just get it in another color. I know. But it only comes in two colors. So like, shit. The pants that I'm wearing come in three colors.

And I have all three. They come in like a denim. So I look like I'm wearing jeans. They come in a white and then a blush pink like you're wearing, which is why I thought we were wearing the same pants. Oh, but you're wearing the blush? These are white. You're wearing the white.

I understand. I understand. How are you doing? Oh, how does my hair look today, you fucking bitch? Oh my God, you guys. I'm so sorry. I'm at an angle. I am at an angle where your hair.

Friday's episode for literally 45 minutes, not seconds, minutes. I had like an alfalfa sprout coming out of my fucking hair. And my sister, who's literally staring at me for the 45 minutes, doesn't say one word. So I'm not staring at you the way that the camera is. Like, when I turn on the episode in two seconds, I'm like, is someone going to tell her about her hair? But like from where I'm sitting, like, at an angle and your hair is the same color as a headphone. Like I did not see it like that.

The crazy thing was that like I felt it. And I keep like fuzzling with it if you watch the episode, but I can't quite tame it. Like I wasn't 100% sure like which was hair, which was headphone. I was like, oh maybe I'm just like feeling the headphones. I'm so like I can't. I didn't want to clip anything from Friday's episode.

I know. It needs to go in the garbage. No, I know. And it's like all of the comments are just about the hair as they should be. Even though like, you know what? We should have like fucked up hair more often. Engagement was off the charts. Yeah, it's true.

It's true. No, no, no. I'm very, very sorry for not stepping in and for the distraction. I'll look closer. I'll look closer. And I'll see you. I'll really see you. huge weekend. The Knicks are NBA champions on Saturday night. They took it home in the fifth game, an away game. I was actually out of town. I was in New York State still, but I was upstate. And you know, I was actually kind of glad. I was a little afraid of like what was going to go down in the city. I wasn't sure if I wanted the team to win or not because I'm like, it's actually a very peaceful viewing experience. Because I'm like, if they win, great, we're NBA champions. If we lose, like, the fun continues. I get to go to the game. So it was really a very low stakes viewing experience. And I was pretty sure they were going to lose because they were stinking it up until like the last. last minute. They love that. The Knicks can only win when they're losing. Yeah. And Jalen Brunson, in the NBA, like, post-game thing, when he was being interviewed, he was like, I don't know what it is. We show up to the game 20 minutes late, but we showed up. And yeah, I don't know why. They have this like underdog mentality. No, like they only can win if they're losing. That's it. Even in every single game, they're always coming from behind. If they ever had a lead, like when they're three and oh, and they're at MSG and everything's going their way. No, no, no,

that's the worst thing for them. Yeah, they operate well under. pressure. Yeah, and like being losers, which is great because that makes them winners. 100%. It's such an exciting time. Like the city, like everyone is wearing their merch. Everyone is wearing their merch. It's kind of like after like a toast merch drop. It's like a similar thing. Exactly. Exactly. But we obviously have just like better styles and you know, not everyone can afford shoptoastmerch.com. Yeah, quality. Top quality fabric. Just really an insane end to an insane story. And I love that the way that it ended was just very much like the Jalen Brunson show. Because what I like about the Knicks is like,

it's not just like LeBron and like a bunch of others. Like it really isn't. Not Webb and Yama and a bunch of others. Right. It's really like a team effort. Like even the bench players are like huge. And even though like it is Jalen's team. And Jalen was kind of quiet this series.

And then he wasn't. Like I think they had 90 points total and he had 48 of them. Like it was just insane. And it was very much like Jailen Brunson beating the odds. I didn't know that he had this sort of like villain an origin story where people have just like, he's six two, which is a very large height, but he's considered really small. I mean, when he's playing, he looks really short.

He does. And not even just with Webbingy. Like with Carl Anthony? Yeah, he looks really small. And he is small. He's a point guards. Point guards are supposed to be small. But it's very rare that like the team star and like the team is built around the player

who's the point guard. And I guess when the Knicks like restructured and brought Jalen Brunson on as their star and they were going to build the team around him, there was a lot of. criticism like from the league. I'm now watching like fan edits of like Stephen A. Smith, like everyone who's ever been like this was a really bad call for the next. He was just really doubted. And so I think that obviously winning the championship is so amazing. But when you also prove everyone wrong, it's like an even fucking better feeling. I will beat the odds. I can go the distance. I can face the world. Fearless, proud and strong. I will beat the odds.

I can go the distance. Like it's a movie. Yeah, it's also great news for the shorties, you know. Huge for our community. And by shorties, we are, of course, talking about the six two basketball players. No, but he's a shorty out there on that court. He looks 411. He looks like our height.

It's insane that he's 6'2. He looks all right. And I thought that in regular games, too, not just against the giant. Yeah. I have, like, a lot of, like, short, like. You have a chip on your shoulder? No, no, no. like I just feel kinship to short people and people who like live the short life.

Like we are living two different lives from tall people. That's so funny because we are short. Like I don't know. We are shorter than you. If you've ever met us in person, we are shorter than you think. We are we are five foot flat. We just make five one with our flats on. And I am so short.

Like I am shorter than average. And I want to say like I don't even think about it. Like I don't feel short. Like no, I love. I love my height. Like I love being short, but we are living a different experience. No,

I know, but I don't even think, like, I don't identify a short. I don't notice that, like, other people are taller than me or that other people,

like, live differently unless I'm at a concert. Yeah, no, me neither really, but when I see a shorty and, you know, like, when I always talk about Sabrina,

especially when she's always, like, with the tall girls. Like, Taylor only hangs out with tall girls. So, like, it's just different when you're a shorty. Yeah, and being a celebrity who's either really short or really small.

Like, it's not always easy to see. Like in pictures or on Instagram. I remember when I met Kim Kardashian, she's my height. Yeah. And that's like, like, Kim and Courtney are very short like us. Yeah. And so like that's our people, you know?

Like as much as we love Taylor, like she's too tall to be our friend. We have one tall friend. And I do feel like it complicates things. Who is our tall friend? Kristen. That's what I thought you were going to say. We have one tall friend. I know.

And every time we take a picture, it's just like, it's a gross inconvenience. We're in two different pictures. It's true. It's true. But that's how much we love her. She's not even tall, by the day. She's like normal, maybe a little slightly above average. Like, we are not normal.

So I'm just really happy for my good friend, Jalen. I think Mariska Hargitay, like, I think somebody needs to take her phone away. Like, I get that she's a really big fan and I would literally lay my life out on the line for her. Like, she's contributed just as much New York City as Jalen has. And like, Jalen loves her. How exciting is that? Like, Jalen keeps doing interviews about how much she loves her. But like, at some point, it gets to a point.

and like Jalen Brunson is married and like she's bordering on inappropriate Like yeah right whatever She's Peter Herman and all this She said that that the Knicks winning Was better than her wedding to Peter Herman Like where is Peter Herman He's being thrown under the bus

That's where he is I'm cracking up She's kind of and then she posted like a really intimate picture Of like her hugging maybe OG Or I think it was Shailin Brunson And she like blurred out the whole background Her Instagram's an insane place to be right now And I just want to say it gets to a point

That's like Timothy saying that he'd rather The Knicks win than him win an Oscar. Yeah. Which I agree. Like there's always going to be another Oscar, another movie. Another opportunity, yeah.

For the odds of Timothy winning an Oscar are much higher than the odds of the Knicks winning a championship up until now. Yeah. I'm happy for Timothy. I was shocked that Kylie wasn't there, genuinely shocked. I know. I understand her like not wanting to go to San Antonio, although there are far worse places to be in Texas.

She has a plane. Yeah. So she could fly in and like fly out after the game. She doesn't even have to sleep there. And you know Timothy is like not as wealthy as Kylie. So like he has to charter and share. Like I saw he flew with Fat Joe. Like you know if he gets to fly Kylie Air.

It's just like him and maybe stormy. Like it's much more private. No. And like Sydney went with Scooter. And Sydney bought tickets for Scooter and his family. Yeah. So cute. But like they've been dating shorter and like Kylie and Timothy are like Nick Staples.

I was surprised she didn't go. I was really surprised. I'm disappointed. Wow. Disappointed that I didn't see her. Not like disappointed in her. You know what I mean? I'm not mad.

I'm just disappointed. But they still won. So maybe she thought they like wouldn't win and then she'd be there for the New York game. But I was surprised. I was surprised. I don't know what the parade is. It might be today. I think it might be tomorrow.

I fear I have to go. Okay. I'm a little afraid. And like I wish it was like going to be like fun and family friendly and like bring the stroller but like it's not happening. Yeah. I feel like it's going to be demonic. I don't really.

I mean, we don't even know what a New York parade looks like. we've literally never had one in our lifetimes. Yeah. It was really beautiful. How's Ben? I feel like I need to call him. Like I feel like weird that I haven't called him. Like it's his birthday or he just like graduated.

It's Ben's birthday. The amount of times his phone was blowing up when it was over. Like people checking in on him. I'm like, I actually like I felt that way this morning. I'm like, is it weird that I haven't spoken to Ben to like congratulate him on his success? Check on him.

Yeah. He's doing really well. I think overall like his disposition is just so lighten area. I don't know when he's back in the cloud. Thank God. Thank God. Like taking up space. in the cloud. And I think he loves it there. It's affecting all facets of our life. Like,

he's very happy. He's very joyful. He's light. We haven't fought. Like, it's great. That is so, so great. Yeah, it's been really exciting. I've loved. I'm sad. It's over. I'm glad it happened. I'm like kind of chasing the high of what I felt. Like I was watching soccer. Like it. Yeah. I felt nothing, but I was trying to. Except when I watched Dan and Shea's national anthem, did you hear it? I saw that they sing. Where did they sing it? There was a lot of sporting events. this weekend. So FIFA World Cup is taking place like all over the country. Yes. All over North America. Mexico too. So I think it was at MetLife Stadium. I have no idea. Oh, but it was for soccer. Yes, it was the official opening game, opening ceremony. And you know, it's like the Olympics. You have to like stunt and do your

whole culture. And I thought at first it was like a very strange choice to have Dan and Shea. While I particularly love them. Dan and Shay are the culture. Of course, no, I love them. I think they represent American music, but they're relatively unknown these days. I don't want to say yet that they're like has been, but I know they're working their comeback. They're legacy artists. They're legacy. They're working on their comeback.

I know they've changed management. Like things are going well. And I think that while maybe I wouldn't have chosen them, I've seen the, first of all, the performance was chilling. Like insane harmonies, the two of them. Like, I've seen it everywhere. It is so viral. And I think it's been really good for them.

And I'm really happy for them to have this global moment. it was beautiful. And for me with the anthem, I always have thoughts and criticisms about the choice. But when it comes down, all I care about is the performance itself. So I could love you.

I could think it was a good choice, bad choice. I am judging just your vocals. I don't care how famous you are. Once we start, we start. And this is a Hall of Fame performance. It was chilling. Oh, amazing.

I have to go listen. Yeah. Truly amazing. It was a truly amazing weekend. Yeah. As all weekends, really mostly are. I love the

just the sheer fact of weekend. Gotta have more of them. Yeah. Oh, we had a big weekend here. Training season. Training season. Potty training season. We were supposed to do it last weekend,

but we got delayed due to schedule interferences. So we did it this weekend. And it's really, it's going. And I went into the potty. And Claudia now can make a pee-p in the potty. I am potty trained. I did four peas and one poop.

We had a couple of accidents along the way. but I'm excited for this new cojourner, Fred, that I'm going on. And I love the potty. The potty don't start till I walk in. We've been seeing a lot of videos and stuff and pictures from when we were younger. We've just been like in that era of like going through stuff. And like you always had your potty with you. So I believe potty training was a particularly fraught journey for me.

And I actually have memories. I don't have a lot of memories from like obviously before I'm five. I remember me in that fucking toilet. Yeah. That like my friend, the toilet, I remember, I think at one point it got to a place where like I, it was just not taking and I was relegated to the garage because I have a lot of memories of shitting in the garage. And I also remember being like afraid of that little toilet.

I know it's like supposed to be colorful and it's not a real toilet. It's literally just like a plastic bin. Yeah, like a kid-friendly bucket. And I remember feeling like afraid that I was like going to be so close to my own like poop and pee. Like I'm like, it's right there. I guess that's a good point. Yeah, that's how I feel now when I go to the bathroom on a plane.

I could never take a poop on a plane. It's like my poop is three inches from my skin. Like that's insane. Like I need a big long drop. No, and there's no drop. Like, so I remember, yeah, my toilet and I, we were sort of thick as thieves. Yeah, they're in like every picture together. She's never far from her toilet.

Like I remember it. It's the primary colors. It's like red, red, yellow and blue. I remember it so vividly. Yeah, which is funny because the way that we're doing it, it's like we'll only use that toilet for a couple of days and then we'll go to the big. To the big boy toilet. I remember also being afraid of the toilet.

Well, a toilet is a very scary thing. It is. Where does it come from? Where does it go? No, and it's like what's coming? And I should never have watched that movie, Spice World, where the guy climbed out of the toilet. Because then it made me realize, like, not only could things go down the toilet, things can come up the toilet as well.

Yeah, yeah. I was like, okay, a snake is coming. Yeah, agree. And for that I blame. And we potty trained before automatic flushes, but I imagine that's a major source of anxiety. And you know I've like never fully recovered since I flushed the bed. toilet the jaguar keys down the toilet accidentally at the rest stop so um automatic flushes and i like we have no trust i think that they're i i love the sanitation element of it obviously we're not all like

kicking or pushing down the same little flush but beyond that they are so flawed i actually i like the ones where you wave oh i don't know i feel like that's faulty technology i think the kick flush is perfectly fine yeah i had never had a problem with it we all kick it We'd be kicking. We gotta kick it up. Cese puere. Cicibele. I'm caught up on Love Island.

Oh, you watched last night. You were very quiet in the group chat. I went to bed at 8 o'clock. I watched it this morning while I go ready. Part G. I watch Real Housewives of Rhode Island. I'm so caught up, ready to take on the week. Got nine hours of sleep.

I'm ready to go. Okay. Let's do it. Oh, wow. Okay. Further, right. Right. Let's get into the stories.

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Over 40 sources, including current and former Unwell employees, have spoken to Vanity Fair about Alex's company and the man calling the shots at the Gen Z Media Empire, her husband, Matt Kaplan. So I was underwhelmed, to say the least. people have been talking about this article for a while. When it was taking so long, I started to feel like maybe they had nothing. You're talking to so many people over months. She said she was working on this before Alex got canceled. It was just sort of like a coincidence.

And I don't know. If it's that juicy, like it's not going to take that long. And then they dropped it behind a paywall on a Friday. And I was like, oh, wow, they really had nothing. And I wasn't going to read it. But you know, somebody sent me a PDF. So I did read the whole thing to have to finish while I was getting my nails done. And let me tell you there was nothing there.

like genuinely nothing. I guess the big crime against her is that like she's girl boss, femme queen, and her husband runs her company. And I just feel like a distinction was not made in the fact that like her husband runs no successful part of her company. I don't think he's got a foot in call her daddy. He runs all the other shit.

And it's like, yeah, well, who else is going to do it? Like not her. She, like the article said, is like never at work because she works on one of the only successful elements of Unwell, which is call her daddy. Yeah. I didn't think that was so crazy. And like, yeah, girls get married.

Even the girl bosses get married. And it's like, yeah, relying on your partner is not a crime. I guess when you're like... No, it's not just that they came to work for her and they're working for him. It's that he's like a toxic horrible boss. I'm talking about her crimes. Like what they were accusing her up. Well, she let her husband take over her company again.

These girls are coming to work for her. And then she also lets her husband. They made sure to say at a lot of these instances where he's berating people, you know, talking disrespectfully to them, she's right there. Yeah. And I don't know, call me old fashion. but the workplace toxic allegations like don't do it for me those are not real allegations because they don't do it for me so much too because also they can be like so subjective someone's feelings

got hurt someone you know of course so but that's what does it for if someone went on and called her daddy and said my boss did all these things she would say how dare he abuse yeah I think that it's like a very stereotypical like Hollywood like greasy guy whose wife was now like uber successful and like sort of trying to make his bones on being, you know, the big man in charge. Nothing in the article was surprising. I feel like when the journalist spent like three paragraphs defending herself, like, I guess like,

they knew the article was coming, and Alex Cooper and her company, like, sent very, you know, strongly worded legal letters, like trying to get it to stop. There's, you really can't stop articles like this. The most famous powerful people always, like, send their lawyers. But it's like, it's freedom of the press. Like, it is what it is. And so,

they also were alleging that this journalist was in bed with Alex Earl because our journalist opens the whole article with this Alex Earl thing and she's weaving the Alex Earl thing throughout the episode throughout the article and I'm like oh thank God we're going to find out what happened. Even she doesn't know. So it was like she just kept baiting us with the Alex Earl thing and I would have thought you know weeks and months and interviews you would know maybe we would find some resolution as to what happened.

She was again and nobody knows. Yeah, I was getting like an Alex Earl angle. I was getting more so like they she was focusing on this like mean girl thing, which is now like, you know. Alex Cooper's, like, letter was alleging that this journalist was in bed with Earl because one time she, like, wrote a piece for airmail magazine. Yeah, it was like a fluff piece, like a what's in your bag sort of thing. That's just what these journalists do. They have to pay their bills. Yeah. And they like wrote a letter like if this comes out, like, we will ruin you. Yeah. And she's like this really young novice journalist and she was

like sort of defending herself. And I was just like, why am I reading your diary? It was like, hit pieces never hit. Like, I feel like the last couple of, ones it's like that's all you got remember like the long-awaited Ariel Charnas one like there was so she didn't know how to pronounce Vivreau like it was so like we've lost the meaning of hippies I yeah especially when there's so much hype for something I feel like when it comes out of nowhere and especially so in the last month I think you know the the veil has been pulled a little bit from behind her daddy from unwell you know let's say even three months ago it was like the pinnacle of like girl boss feminism women supporting women fuck that man fuck men fuck men

And slowly, like we've seen that that's like not the case like in her personal life and behind the scenes. The ethos of the brand doesn't align. Right. And so if this had dropped then it would have been more shocking. The man runs the company and he does it in a mean way. All of these things have been said over the past three months that now that you're saying them again, it's like, yeah, we know. What's new? Yeah.

Welcome. Yeah. Join us. So it never like hit in a way where it was a major shock. Now I'll also say I think for us it's like not a major shock because like people talk. like you've heard these things. But I wonder if like for her fans, fans who listen to the,

who really just like listened to her podcast, like believe everything that she's putting forth in the messaging. And then to see this, like I would imagine that you're like, what? Who am I listening to? She then took a very, you know, interesting approach. She didn't directly comment or even acknowledge the piece,

but she was hella active on social media this weekend, which we've talked about this while dissecting this saga at great length is that she's really not an influencer. She does not share most of her life, anything personal. And she's managed to get away with being like a really successful creator, podcaster, without really sharing anything about herself or her life or her personal life, which is kind of a sleigh, honestly. And I think that either as a distraction or to sort of like garner goodwill, just like sharing she took this girl's trip and just like lots of bump pictures and dogs, you know, you're in trouble when you're pushing your dogs.

So while she didn't directly acknowledge it, it was kind of obvious that she was just like putting shit out there. Yeah. And that's like saying like, I don't give a fuck. Like you're not getting a statement. It's business as usual. I'm having a great time. I'm not like sitting in my house crying and I'm stressing out about this.

I think she like she probably knew the article was dropping. So she decided to get away. That's like a good thing to do, especially like being pregnant and just like wanting to be like low stress. and yeah, because if she didn't post anything on Friday, which she probably wouldn't have if it was just a regular Friday. Correct. People would have been like, oh my God, she's running scared. When are we going to hear from her?

The next thing she posted would have been like a big deal of everyone reading into it. And instead it's like it really neutralizes the bomb and it's a good strategy. It wasn't a big bomb. A Friday paywall like seriously, I'll take that any day. Mm-hmm. I agree. But you know, when you don't go through like things like this often and all press about you is good press, like this might be the biggest bomb she's ever dealt with.

Yes, that's true. Also, what was the other thing I wanted to say? I don't remember. They touched briefly on like Sophia Gate and the article had the same title as her book. Daddy issues. Which is not like the most unique, but it was weird just so that had some title. Yeah, I didn't really notice. But I guess that's just like the obvious title for or also it's more like unwell is unwell.

Yeah. You know. Overall. this saga, you know, Alex Earl, like all of it. Do you think it has or will have like an overall, like legitimate effect on her or no? Her business, her popularity? No. I don't.

I think that she has like transcended needing like. Public approval. Yeah. And I think celebrities really like her. I think like their PR teams like her. I think they like the experience of going on call her daddy. Yeah. It's a very premium experience.

You get, like, great content, great clips. You're asked the questions that you want to talk about. And I think it, like, serves a need. She's like, oh, so almost, like, ascended to this level of, like, cable, like, or, like, these late night shows that actually don't have a lot of viewers, but, like, they serve a purpose in the larger ecosystem. And, like, that's what she has. And it doesn't necessarily matter if she's popular today or not.

Like, she is there. She's set. And that's part of, like, her show not being about her. So, like, when we talk about her not sharing anything or being, you know, you know, Yeah, it's not about you. So it's kind of works. Also, about her husband because, like, he is, he's the main topic in the article. But, like, nobody cares.

He's not famous. Like, whatever. No, but, like, the fact that she's, like, you know, stands by for some of this stuff. And it's with someone who is, like, who is this way. It's just so in Congress with everything she's ever preached. Yeah. If we're worried about, like, congruousness. Yes.

Yes, that's true. I feel like the article and like people are they talk a lot about unwell and I will say like overall unwell has like I think certain elements of it that like do well but overall I don't know they're like a podcast network they're an events company they make drinks like they make reality TV right I think that it's actually like a poorly run company like I don't think he's doing a good job and one of the really only successful elements of it is call her daddy which like I think she runs entirely and he doesn't it's not even like a successful element it's not like unwell built that and Correct.

So it's just like a separate entity. Yeah. And that's why she's like, if you work for Call Her Daddy, you'll work with Alex. Yeah, and I don't even think of Call Her Daddy as part of Unwell,

which is really crazy. Me neither. Yeah, I know. I feel like it might not even be in some way. Like it might be like licensed to Undwell, you know what I mean? But still hers. Because if she actually made it part of Unwell

and then that's his and she actually gave him to call her dad, not just like Unwell, which is the thing that they're building together. Fine, build it together. Well, if they're married, like it would be, half, oh no, I guess if she started it before, right? How does it work?

Yeah. It should be hers. Yeah. That would be bad. That would be crazy. Them having unwell together 50, like that makes sense. Sure. They're working on it together.

And by the way, he's doing a lot of work apparently. I just feel like unwell is like not worth the trouble. I feel like this happens a lot with like celebrity started brands where it's like, I don't know why just being a successful podcast or in building a successful media company around just call her daddy, like wasn't enough and why they had to go and do all this. They have like, I think, almost 100 employees. Like, that's fucking crazy. Like, for what?

Like, just be a podcaster. Like, and that's still, to this day, like, really what you are and, like, what the company is known for is call her daddy. All these things, like, really? Was it worth the hip piece? No, I don't know. But it also, like, allows you, if it goes well, it allows you to, like, not have to work so hard one day.

Yeah. But I think she likes working hard at, like, the thing, the one thing. Yeah. At the thing. Call her daddy. Her show. And, yeah. But she is also, she does a lot for, like,

like these events and stuff and like, you know, just putting like, yeah. No, like putting her, like for what? I don't know. I don't maybe. No, like if that was me, like, you would not catch me working that hard. Maybe all of this like will make her reassess. Maybe like becoming a mother will make her reassess like, you know, where she wants to invest for time.

She's just like in too deep a little bit now to shut down operations of unwell. And I'm sure like so much money has gone into it because like it operates at like such a high level. Right. And that 120. $25 million deal she got from Sirius X-M, like is for Unwell. Yeah. It's to, you know, create shows. Oh, an interesting piece from the article that I didn't know was that Phoebe Gates, like,

low-key drama. Droppa? So the Burr-Drama. Oh, sorry, I thought he said lokey-droppa. The Unwell show with Phoebe Gates and her, like, co-founder. We were talking about them last week, Fia, Bill Gates' daughter. She's like this entrepreneur, if you watch Love Thyator. She had like a podcast.

And I was saying how weird it is that, like, this is Phoebe Gates, Bill Gates's daughter. One of their first guest was Chris Jenner. like a business podcast about Chris Jenner, sign me up. This podcast, I can't get arrested. I see it everywhere with three views. Like, it's just not popular. And the article was like, unwell let us know or release a statement that like burnouts is not coming back for season two.

While burnouts let us know they're actively looking for a new network. Interissant. Yeah. Interissant. Watch the space. Watch a space. Weird. I feel like when we were talking maybe a few weeks ago about like what's coming up for Alex

Cooper, we were talking about this big article. and then Sophia's book and it would sort of be like a falling of the dominoes. I don't really feel, I didn't see a lot of people talking about it. Again, Friday dropped behind a paywall. No, I actually don't think I saw anyone talking about it. I saw like a couple of,

like, and a lot of people are very excited to like talk about Alex Cooper and like bring her down because I think that like it somehow makes them feel better. Like there is a huge element of jealousy from like other women like creators. I saw like a bunch of women doing like, here's everything from the article that you, I read it so you didn't have to. There's a lot of that.

So some of their, they're going to like cherry pick the, things that sound the most outrageous, but like if you actually read the whole thing, there's not, and especially because we have, it was already new tries, we knew this. Yeah. You know, we knew it. Yeah. I guess there's still the book.

And I feel like when we talk about Alex Cooper holistically at a glance, like her biggest crime, like if we're going to, is Sophia. The original sin. It has always been Sophia. The original sin. I love that. Yeah. So I feel like when the world starts.

starts talking about that. There's much more to pick from in terms of her crimes. Yeah. Also, don't forget Alex Earle's show talking about the drama. Oh, another domino. Yeah. I think that's the only thing.

Because also, as much as like, I'll read Sophia's book, you know, support of Ella Swirley. I don't know that like the audience here wants to read a whole ass book on this. Agreed. They want a sound bite. Maybe someone will clip the audio book or something. But like, this is all been done snackably. and no one's reading a whole book.

Yeah, but it's also like, I don't think people care as much. People like live for the Alex Earl, Alex Cooper. Like the Sophia stuff, maybe it's because like it's so long ago or like everyone really just took her side. And I think people maybe still stand by what she did. But like people aren't as moved by that as we were. Yeah. Yeah. I agree.

So that's the Vandekar article. Do better. Oh, I also wanted to ask you. you one more question. Who you're talking to? Like Ben there. Matt Kaplan. What do you think is the,

should be like the ethics policy around writing a hit piece? That's not like, you know, if she was out here murdering or like, that's not really necessary on a pregnant person. Pregnant woman? Sorry, yeah, pregnant woman. I mean, I know, I have a different

moral code than than journalism. And I, I feel like in terms of what was actually alleged in here, like it wasn't necessarily like need to know information. Honestly, like, I mean, journalists going to journal. But for me, like, this like lukewarm piece, like, didn't need to come out.

And especially because she's pregnant, but they don't care. I also want to say, like, investigating someone's whole life for weeks, talking to old friends, colleagues. And this is the worst. when you think about it at a glance, like, it kind of sound like nice people. Like honestly, like that's the worst that you got. He was like yelling at other coworkers and like,

yes, I do think workplace, like toxic workplace allegations are very subjective because it's like, yeah, there's a power dynamic. These were the worst things. He made their assistant change your name because it was the same name. That is an old rumor started by Dumas that Alex Cooper has actually addressed saying

how absurd it is. And the article just recirculated the fact that this rumor once existed. They did not confirm or deny it. And they actually feel like it's not true. Thank you for that clarity. Asked an employee about their sex life. But like, isn't it a sex positive?

You're working at the Gluck Gluck Company. Right. Seriously. It's Gluck Gluck Incorporated. What the fuck do you guys expect? And you guys loved that about her so much and you went to work for Gluck Gluck, like what are we talking about?

It's true. It's true. It's a sex positive company. Yeah, it is. That's like the whole point. It's a whole point. So, yeah, I agree. So yeah, if this is like all the wind up,

I actually think like at it. Yeah, if this is the worst of it all, not so bad. But you know what? I feel like for her being pregnant, like knowing this was coming, it's kind of just better to have it out be done with it. Instead of like the waiting and like the wondering what's in there.

Like now she can just deal with it however she wants. And like I think sometimes like the waiting is worse. Absolutely. That was like Lucy and tell me lies, not wondering, knowing when it's going to come out. Of course. It always comes back to Lucy. Are you ready for our next story? Yes.

Kyle Cook and ex-Amanda Batula were spotted smiling and laughing together. Dave's after his bombshell people magazine interview about their split. So pictures emerged out of nowhere, paparazzi photos of like Kyle and Amanda like thriving, leaving a restaurant. They just looked like so happy. And not to say that they're together, but like we haven't seen. her smile in months. And so here's what happened. So Kyle and Amanda filmed in the city reunion.

And afterwards, the whole crew went to a bar. Amanda was like with Kyle, you know, because they're friends and he's looking out for her. And then as they were leaving, Kyle said that like he made a joke to her. Like imagine the paparazzi spotted us leaving together. And as they walked out, there were cameras there. So they both started laughing. And we got these like funny, candid photos. Very beautiful.

Very beautiful. The lighting's amazing. She looks like truly happy. Thank God. She actually, in like recent photos, just been looking so depressed. Oh, I guess West Wilson on his podcast that nobody listens to said that he wanted the Knicks to lose on Saturday

because the next game would be on Tuesday, which is when that like Summer House bonus episode airs. And so it would just be really helpful for him if everybody was watching something else besides that. And like, thank God they didn't. I guess everyone's free tomorrow. Yeah. Also, Lindsay Hubbard then like got so mad.

What did she say? She called him trash for like hoping people would skip their episode. I guess that does make him like a bad worker. Bad friend, yeah. I also heard that Lindsay Hubbard is dating Dustin Lynch, this country singer. I love that. Did you hear that? No, I didn't, but I'm going to go into it.

She went to one of his concerts because you know she spends a lot of time in Nashville. She went to like this private concert. I don't know. Oh, I love it. She said West Wilson, you are trash trying to get people to not watch our show that I brought you on. You should move immediately. She said, br-lay. It's so true.

This is like the show that Lindsay Hubbard built. Brother, you get paid for that episode. Just be thankful. You still have a paycheck from our show. Ooh, sleigh. Not for long. So, yeah, these were, like, cute photos, like, happy. Like, I don't need it to be all bad, all hate all the time for her.

Like, no, same. Like, I watched Sierra on Love Island. Like, she is so in a different stratosphere. Like, let the poor girl smile. Let the mouse go. No, you don't have to let the mouse go, but, like, it's okay. Like, you know what? It's kind of now, like, I stopped feeling bad for Ariana Maddox in Scandumall because it's, like,

you're so rich. and famous now and you got rid of this enormous loser in your life. No, it was win, win, win, win. The best thing that ever happened to her. It is the best thing to ever happen to Sierra. This is finally, this is a person who was never going to get over West. Like literally never. But he did the thing that she can't ignore.

Great. You're free. You're rich and you're famous. Yeah, and you sniffed out a rat in your midst too. Oh, yes. Yes. Yeah. And for sure, it hurts like when it happens. And then like once like the shock wears off and the opportunities roll in,

like, okay, let's. You're too booked and too busy to really think about it. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Three. Number three. Yeah. Emily Radikowski penned an essay for the cut about the end of her marriage and her single era.

And she makes a shocking confession about her sex life with her ex-husband, Sebastian Bear Maclaard. McClard. If you thought I wasn't going to pick an article about Sebastian Bear McClard, you were wrong. And also, it's kind of tea filled. One thing about Jackie is she is not. going to let Sebastian Bear Maclard sleep. No, I will not. She keeps her foot on his neck. He is so integral to the lore of the show. You would not be turdy without Sebastian. If Emily Radikowski had not married Sebastian Bear McClard, this random person. You would not be turdy.

And I don't think it gets talked about enough that literally last summer, I met Sebastian Bear McClart. We took a picture together. He told us that he knew about the Lord of the podcast. like this shows impact is just never ending. Like really. So now we're getting like more information from their divorce. I didn't realize they were married for four years. Like. Yeah.

It happened quickly. It was also crazy because when they met and dated and got married, she was like the hottest thing in terms of like popularity. And she, everyone was like, who will she date? Who will she date? And she did this like fucking random nobody. And like the whole saga, like the arc of it was so strange. It was strange.

But I actually don't think he was like such a. of nobody because he's tall. He's taller than her and she's tall. And he's friends with famous people. And he's friends with famous people. And he's very handsome. And I just feel like he's an heir. No, but like the name Sebastian Bear McClare.

Like we hadn't heard it. He was not famous. No, no, we hadn't heard it. But oh yeah, he was random. People were shipping her with Zach Afron. He was random in that sense in terms of being unknown. But you know, the models they like to go for like a business, like a. Yeah.

In the background. Remember when they like were squatting in their apartment and like refused to pay rent. Of course. As some sort of like political statement. Yeah. But it's like, girl, pay your rent. We do. Yeah.

No, that was very defiant and brave of them. Extremely. So she said that she stopped having sex with her ex-husband six months after their son, Sylvester, was born. And then six months later, they divorced. So yeah, it's all about, she wrote this essay for the cut, including a photo of her breastfeeding a doll. And it's all about, you know, her.

divorce, her transition and her single era, it's pretty, it's pretty detailed? Detailed? Yeah, I would say so. She said her marriage collapsed over a period that felt both instant and inscrustratingly slow. Apparently he cheated on her. That's what the sources said. I think we knew that.

I think we did too, but he's still crazy. She said. Then she talked about, you know, being a divorced woman. dating as a single mother, what she thought it was going to be, how she went through like sort of a big sex era. She talks about a bunch of the different guys that she dated. She said there was a vegan graffiti artist, a chef who thought he might have flamidia. Bobby Fly.

That's so Bobby Fly. A Spanish Gen Zier who couldn't stop sending news. A heavily self-medicated son of a billionaire with questionable politics, several Italians, and of course another DJ. She said the list goes on. I'm sorry, wait. We have to go back to the billionaire son. Say it again.

A heavily self-medicated son of a billionaire with questionable politics, several Italian. Oh, then comma. Then there's also several Italians that she dated. A billionaire's son. I feel like it's like someone like the guy that Camilla Cabo was just dating. So funny. I was thinking of the same thing. Or like the one that added to Armis.

Oh, she dated like a Cuban, like politician. Son. Son. The son. So maybe he's a billionaire. Of a dictator. was a dictator now that I recall, thank you. Yes, yes. So that was controversial. Okay, one thing about me is like, I don't keep up with Emily Radikowski.

Yeah. I do keep up with Sebastian Bear, though. I feel like happy and pleasant in my life because of that decision. Like, I thought, you guys are sick of me talking about this, but I find like her whole brand of like being a writer who always shows her boobs. Like, I don't look at her boobs. Don't look because she's a writer. And a writer. And don't look. And brass. He's not showing you my boobs.

Yeah. I, I, I'm very off put by like her whole thing. Yeah. It's not me. We don't talk enough that she made out with her. It's not me. It's her. Yeah.

It is her. So sorry that happened. Wishing you well. Good luck. Good luck. You would actually, there are a lot of like bids and bobs in this article. you would hate it.

You would actually hate it. I feel like when her book of essays came out, like it was floated to me. Like you should read that book and it's like, I actually should not. No, you should not.

You should not listen to that podcast. Speaking of, I still have Lena Dunham's book unopened on my nightstand is on my list of things to do. I feel pretty good about the fact like the hoopla's over. So like whenever I pick it up,

I pick it up. Nothing's going to get spoiled. Like it's all good. Yeah. Speaking of people that we love, Molly May and Tommy Fury had a boy. And the name was revealed at his big fight this weekend. And the name is Midas.

It's actually crazy, so many things. One, that both of their babies have been born, like, around the time. I don't think he fights that much around the time of a big fight, which is just, like, really inconvenient. Or maybe he, like, spends the whole time that she's pregnant, like, training so that he's like. And then he's like, oh, I can look for her fight. Two, it's crazy that she went to the fight wearing a body con white dress two weeks after giving birth. No, no, that's crazy. I don't know which part is crazy.

like the body con or the white? I think the body con is crazy. And like I just, it's just like so not the Molly that we know, you know? It's not necessary. It's not necessary. And it's like I would love to know more about that moment and that choice. Maybe we'll see it on season three.

I think that we will. And she'll be yelling at everyone while she tries to find a dress. I know that we will. And that's why we love her. And she'll be like crying and she can't find something to wear. And she's like probably when and she was so miserable. And their name, they did have a son, by the way, not a daughter. and the name is Midas.

So let me think about it now. What I did realize is they all have five letter names. Molly, Tommy, Bambi, Midas. Was that a thing? For them. I don't think it was a thing until they must have realized. And now Midas really does fit. Now people have said, like, you know,

the lore of King Midas is like not an amazing story. It's kind of cursed. It's not an amazing story. But what does the name Midas mean? Mighty? I think it means gold. Also, I just want to quickly circle back to... Doesn't mean gold or like King Midas just liked gold.

Everything he touched turned to gold. But that doesn't mean the name Midas means gold. Yeah, yeah. He's a legendary king in Greek and Roman mythology, famous for being granted the ability to turn everything into gold. But it wasn't a good thing. Like, he turned his daughter into a statue. I just want to quickly go back to something I said about Lindsay Hubbard dating Dustin Lynch

because I'm not caught up on in the city. Apparently she talked about it on the show, said they made out. So, like, I wasn't just making that up. It was legit. And why not, like, pursue it further? I'm not sure. So taking out, like, you know, the end of the King Midas story. I like, if you just look at the name, Midas, you know, M-I-D-A-S.

I like it. I guess the theme of their baby names is, like, more mythical creatures. Like, that's a good theme. I, it works with Bambi, Bambi and Midas. So cute. I think in the States, somebody might not use the name Midas because it's a brand of tires but that doesn't apply it's that different from mavis yeah mightest tires and they their slogan is they've got the midas touch okay midas tires near me you don't know midas tires

are there midas are you sure it's midas not mavis i'm like a hundred percent sure midas dot com tires for sale or it's like an auto shop yeah yeah yeah perhaps in the states they would not but yeah very very happy for them like mausletop i'm really was so shocked that she went to the fight yeah same i hope she's home resting cozy nesting it looks like she was like based on her stories can't wait for next season of behind the scenes or whatever what's it called i don't know behind it all maybe is her is her brand call me maybe i think it's called like behind it all behind it all something like that are you ready for our next story What number?

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Our next story, Kiki Palmer and Sean Evans' fuel romance buzz with the New York City date. So after we discuss the potential of these two, possibly connecting Kiki Palmer, further fuel dating rumors after being spotted on a date with Hot On's host Sean Evans in New York City. according to TMZ, the duo we're seen having dinner at Italian restaurant Lucali in Brooklyn on Friday night. No, I'm scared. Like, I really worry that he, like, she doesn't like him because we know he likes her. Like, he's been so forward. And so it's really about, like, whether she likes him.

Like, because once she likes him, we're good. And you always want to be in the situation as a woman. Like, the man is chasing. Like, you are playing hard to get. I love. I really hope she likes him. I don't know why I'm, like, scared. I have a lot riding on this.

There's two ships right now that, like, I'm on and I'm really hoping set sail. This is one of them. And then Bricklestein and Jennifer Lopez I'm also like really riding for. So I just have a lot invested in this as a Kiki Palmer number one fan. So I'm scared. I feel like she's going to like him. I feel like they like each other.

So I just hope like, you know, everything else that it takes in order to form a relationship sort of clicks in. Yeah, I feel like this is a little bit of a departure from her usual type. And I think this is also the first time she's been in like a public relationship where the other person is famous too. So I hope she likes the experience. Like I hope she likes everything. I hope, you know,

the person who took a picture didn't ruin it. Like maybe she hates this. Like she's never really had. And the one time her relationship was public was when like her man was saying something about what she wore to the Usher concert. Like I'm scared. Right, right, right.

No, I think it's good to try something different in general. Like try something new. And I'm wishing them the best. I just know he would like treat her like a queen. And also like this is what we asked for. Like just go on a date, see what happens. So like they did that. And who even knows?

Maybe it's not their first date. Right. So. So. So. I'm nervous. I'm excited but nervous. Yeah.

Excited but nervous. Like optimistic, cautiously. I don't want to put too much pressure on them. No, of course not. Of course not. Whenever. Never. But what do you feel like?

I feel like Kiki Palmer, I feel like you and I have like a list of people. When we were we were always talking about like our dream guests or like people who we love. And, you know, it kind of. ebbs and flows. Some people you love and then get over them. I feel like Kiki Palmer is such like a mainstay on our favorites.

Like we've been favoriting her for like ever. Yeah. This is a nice feeling. She's a stable force in our lives. Yeah, she is. And it's just, it's not a phase. And she's the only person to ever make it off the dream list. It's not a phase. It was never a phase. No. No. Okay, let's get into our fifth and final story in Love Island recap because we have some news coming out of Afterson. Love Island USA Sean Rifle reacts to Mayer's comment. after leaving the villa.

I felt sick. I felt sick. And I have to say, one thing about me is, I'm not going to watch after sun. I've never, I'm never going to watch. I've never watched after sun. To me, like the day off that they give us is too important. I will be taking that day off.

And I have to catch up on sleep, on email. I have to eat. Like, I just can't. I will be watching any relevant clips or reading the article. Absolutely. So I saw, like, you know, something's Baya said. I saw, yes, the mayor. I saw the pertinent clips, but I'm sorry.

I cannot physically devote more time. But it also seems like the strategy this year for AfterSun is like when the person comes out of the villa, let's like tell them like the lore of what's going on on social media and get their reaction because they did that for Sean and Beya. And Baye. I saw a clip of Baye's sister telling her that everybody on the internet thinks she's lesbian. Yeah. So I think we're going to get like a lot of that from Afterson, which is like good content. So first Sean reacts to the video. They film him like watching the video of the mayor, which we've discussed at length of the mayor saying how disappointing it is that they've trained up this guy and that he would go on Love Island and the police force is competing with Love Island.

And he was so confused. He was like, what are you talking? I literally did what I was told. Yeah. So he said, um, sorry, this is Sean's comments. Sean said. What did Sean say? He said, I guess he's upset. That's interesting. I definitely had to sit down with my job and told them exactly where I was going and what was happening. And they asked me to put in for unpaid leave. It does bother me because they just before I left gave me awards for like with my partners, taking a lady out of a building on fire and talking someone off a roof that was mentally ill. So it's like to give me those and then do something like this, I just don't understand. Or, you know, the mayor would say, like, you got those and then you went on Love Island. But okay. Are you the mayor?

No, no. I just like, you sounds like you're an amazing police officer. Like, seriously. And you get all of that up, what, to spit in someone's mouth. And like, be the first person sent home. And like the better officer that you are, like the worst decision, the worst the decision seems to leave it to go on Love Island. I will say it definitely does sound like a lapsing judge. Like you should tell us that you were the worst police officer,

that you didn't have a knack for the job. That it wasn't a fit. It wasn't fit. And you wanted to try something new because then I would understand. But like you were amazing. You left behind such a legacy. You were saving lives. How many lives were lost while you went to Vigi?

A thousand percent. Um, it was really sad. Like, I can't think too hard about Sean. It really makes me upset. It does. And like I'm, I'm upset that I'm upset too because I'm like, no, he had to go. Like he has a father, first of all. And by the way, I'm going to judge.

all parents equally and not equally, but like I'm judging the dads as much as I'm judging the moms. Like to go on this show that is so vulgar, so like not family-friendly, so like you don't even want your parents to see you doing this. And like to do that with the child in the world, I just think it's like really, there are so many other shows he could go on.

If you really. I agree. I'm not, I just want to say I'm not judging the same as women. No, I'll judge them harsher. I will, but I'm judging the fathers harshly as well.

Of course. Yeah. No, it's disgusting. And the thing that I'm realizing about this show is that I feel that I am very easily manipulated by the editing of it. And I think that there's so much footage that it really makes it very easy for the editors to just like show us what they want. And it's crazy how like in one episode they have me hating Beah. And then the next episode like they made me like her. I never hated her.

I really did. I feel like I'm very easily manipulated by them. And so like maybe, you know, Sean is a great guy. Maybe he's not like. I really don't know. And that's why like the voting, having us vote and then watch an episode and then one more like when the results come in. It's like it's so manipulative because they show us one thing to get results. And then they show us something else that fuck up those results.

You know? Yeah. We all voted for Jen and Gabriel. And everyone seems confused as to why Jen and Gabriel would be put up as a couple. And it's like, well, you made us, hey, Beah. And then you only show Jen talking to Gabriel. But it's like, and we didn't know that that meant Baya would go home. But it's like, yeah, Jen, like, who else would be voted Jen for?

Now, if we had known how it was going to go down, we could have voted Jen and Corbyn. Because that is what now everyone's saying. We should have done. Yeah, but they knew how to manipulate us. And also like, so we had three people who were vulnerable. We've never had one of the vulnerabilities then asked the other to be in a couple. Like they did that to make Melanie and Corbyn a couple in front of soul and sincere face

and like keep the story moving. We are not in control. The producers are in control because even if we coupled up Jen and Corbyn, which would have only made Melanie vulnerable, she would not have been sent home. She would have been single in the villa. It's whatever they want. So it genuinely doesn't matter.

And America voting in that was the same as if the bombshells got to pick their new partners, which is what they usually get to do. They usually get to pick their partner. Jen would have picked Gabe. We didn't do anything crazy. The only time it was crazy was when we put Iris with Jeremiah who was like in a serious couple.

One of the best things we've ever done. But like, of course, Soul would have picked sincere. So the America vote, we didn't really fuck anything up. we did what would have happened organically. Yes, and you're right. The show really rewards craziness. So Melanie was never going home. Even though, like, Melanie is not even my number one op right now.

Like, she is definitely a crazy person, a very emotional person, really immature. But sincere is a genuine bad guy. I hate. I hate. Hate. And, like, soul, like, makes me so sad. I'm, I. feel so strongly for her.

When she's on my screen, fuck this villa. First of all, the girls are bitches. And seriously, Kenzie is the only one who sat her down. I was like, by the way, and I think it must have been worse

in like in the villa than we realized because Kenzie to go out of Ray and be like, I just want to let you know like if you need someone I'm here. That means she had no one to talk to.

And I think while her and Jen came in together, like Jen's not having the same experience as her. Like, so it's hard for her to relate and I don't think that there's like a lot of depth in their friendship. She has no one.

all the girls are so fucking up Melanie's ass. Like sorry, Anaya, you were my favorite loser. Trinity loser. Like the way they're so obsessed with Melanie and it's like, Melanie this, Melanie that. It's like, girl, what are you talking about? And I'm sorry, Bayo was the only one who was like holding Melanie accountable. Yeah. And when Baye said like they're pying soul for all these things that they should be pying

for Melanie for. And like the pying thing, it gets to a point. This show is so humiliating. Like even in the challenge that we watched last night when they're having like the ketchup and the mustard like thrown in their faces and the hot dog. And the hot dogs, like they actually want to seriously embarrass these people. It's real. And they have such a good attitude about it.

But I can understand why if it's your first day, you're already feeling ostracized. And now everyone's like telling you, we hate you. And here's pies in your face. Like it's actually something out of like a 90s high school like. Humiliation hazing. Yeah. It's a hazing. And I don't know why the producers want to humiliate the contestants like this.

It just is so awkward. Like I can't even imagine like Sierra and Tuffy like watching these girls get like pied in the face? Like, who is that empowering? So also, um, yes, 1,000 percent. This is reminding me a lot of last season where like the OG villagers have this like really toxic bond with one another. Because yes, everyone was pying soul for shit that should have been in Melanie's fucking face. And the fact that not every single person dumped their slime on sincere is how you know the show is fucking rigged. He got slimed like literally once, maybe twice when every question was about him. Yeah. Yeah. I hate him. Wait, and I just want to say like,

Sol and Sean. Sol and like literally anyone. I'm sorry, these guys are just disgusting. First of all, now it's funny how they really can make you love or hate. I hate everyone now. Zach's saying that thing in bed. Like, Keda now I think likes him more than he likes her. Him being like, I don't know if we should do stuff because like what if someone comes in?

It's like, who's thinking like that? Well, I think what he meant and he's like saying all the wrong things and like, I, yeah. And he doesn't deserve her. Someone who's like so committed to him and like it isn't looking left or right. but I think what he meant is like someone could come in and it's out of our control if we couple up with them just like how America put sincere and soul in a couple like he could one of them could wind up in a different couple just based on how the game goes not even because that's what he wants and it will it not be weird like and apparently now if you're in a new couple you have to say goodbye to the person you used to like and and make a go of this like that's new so say he wound up one of them wound up in a new couple and they have to make a go of it and like the America's breaking you. up Zach and Kada, would that not be weird if they've had sex? I think it was like a stupid thing because it's like even if America breaks you up, like what you would say is, I'm not having sex

with anyone. And you could also say like, I'll fight for you until we're back together because there will be another recoubling. They'll have a choice again. And like even if I wound up with someone else, like I'm coming back to you. Yeah. Kenzie's pissing me off. Like everyone's missing me off. What's her? What's up with Kenzie? She's so weird. Like she doesn't talk to anyone about her feeling like the girls first of all like we have no idea what's going through her head and she's like really struggling between these two connections no she's not struggling she doesn't even like Caleb no I need to send someone for Caleb they do that Caleb and soul um I think no Caleb like her like it's what she's like it's obvious and he's very nice and he very much likes her and but like her

heart and her vagina telling her Corbin she like really like Corbin Corbin is so creepy. Can I get a kiss? Can I get a kiss? Like he's so freaky. I understand Corby. When you want to kiss, there are other ways to go about it than saying can I get a kiss. Like even use other words. Like, yes, you know, he uses the same sentence. May I kiss you? I would love to kiss you right now. He is so spooky to me. And even when he's talking about real stuff, he's like, I'm a videographer, like, kind of. What? What do you do for work? He's like, I know. I know. I know. I know. And he was like, I've always been really creative. Like, when I was a kid, we had this art box.

And she's like, wow, really? He was like, yeah, and it makes sense because now I'm like creative. Like I do like videography, kind of. And she's like, no way, that's perfect. Because he's like, I like to make movies. She was like, I like to write movies. Who likes to write movies? Melanie.

He does. She was like, and I'd love to do like, she was like, I love to do like storyboards. He was like, oh, wow, we're like yin and yang because like, I need a videographer. And I'm like, I thought you just said you were a videogist. Like, is this a job interview? It was dead ass art box. It was one of the craziest conversations. Like, and I feel for, I don't feel for anyone.

I take that back. Like, I hate all of these people. I only feel for so, like, I'm genuinely going to. cry tears soon for soul. For soul. I got very, very close when she was like, man, fuck this villa. Right after she got pied by Zach. And I feel bad for Zach because I don't think he was like

intending to, he was sort of like the straw after like a bad day. But like nobody knows her. So it's like, how are you even pying her? You haven't taken three seconds to get to know her. Even K.C. who was like one of the only people interested in talking to her, didn't. So it's like, wait, literally no one is even acknowledging her, but they all like her too. Yeah. And I mean, she's like amazing to look at. I love her.

Like I feel so sick. And you know what? I hope she shows not one fucking ounce of loyalty to any of these girls. Go for Casey. Yeah. Go for sincere. Go for everyone because not one of them has given her the motherfucking time of day. She does her makeup alone.

She cries alone. Fuck these girls. Seriously. No, it's so, so upsetting. I'm really disappointing in a couple of them. Like Trinity? I thought she was nicer than that, honestly. She always looks like she's on the verge of tears.

Who wouldn't be? It's really hard to watch. And now she's like with sincere, who's such a piece of shit. Oh, I want to throw. By the way, she's too good for the shit on his shoe. I hope she runs from him. And like he is lying to everyone, like saying I'm not exploring. Talking to soul, I'm so happy to be with you.

And then saying to, you know, I wish I wasn't with her. Like it's really disgusting. He has lost all like credibility to me. He's so insincere. It's insane that that's his name. It's also interesting that like he doesn't realize that he's the villain. because there was a question in the challenge, which was like, who do you think America,

like dislikes or something? Who's the villain? And they poured it on Bryce, like, okay. Oh, like, because like Bryce spoke to Kada. And it's like they have no idea, like, sincere. Yeah. I actually haven't been like following along on Twitter so much because like the episodes end so late and I just go to sleep.

But what? People love soul. It's devastating. It's devastating. It's actually like on a huge. human level, like very hard and sad to watch. I need the producers, but they won't do anything kind to anyone, because they're actually

like evil individuals, but I need them to... I know she just feels so alone. I need them to go into the hotel of bombshells and waiting in their rooms. And grab Sean. And grab, like, the perfect person for soul. Oh, I was thinking that too. There's a couple of people, like, I think that once you're in the bombshell, like hotel, they ask you,

I think they show you, I think they show you're type. You watch the show. Oh, do you? Yeah, up until the point, I think you see like, up until like two days before you go on or whatever. So they know who's coming in like with eyes for X. And so yeah, they need to bring someone hot as fuck in for soul. And nice and kind-hearted. And you know what? They actually need to bring someone in for Melanie too.

So we can, so nobody likes sincere. Well, no, she likes Corbin. Corbin likes Kenzie. Does he? He does like Melanie, but like, does he, is he like capable of like? I mean, robots, they'd love too. I know. I just feel like he doesn't have like a lot of.

feelings. It's crazy that him and Kenzie are like so connected and that they can't quit each other. AI chatbots need love. Yeah. Kenzie is like very surprised. She's not surprising. Yeah. And I like her too, but it's weird. I feel like I don't know her at all. She was supposed to be like our, you know, designated southern sweetheart and she's kind of messing everything up because her and Caleb are obviously like were meant to be put together. I think the show thought that they would and so now he's sort of left and he's not making any other connections.

No, he's like so mature. I do understand that he's 21 and like that's weird for her because that's really young. It is. But like it's just the villa. You know, none of you guys are going to be together after this.

I just want you to know like. Don't worry. It's not that serious. Zero. How many couples are still together from last season? Just Iris and TJ. TJ and they weren't even like barely together on the show.

Yeah. And I mean, I'll say it. Oh, and Nicolandria. Yeah. Yeah. Like obligechory Nicolandria. But like that's not. the couple.

Obligatory Nicolendra. That's a business arrangement. I just want to say, I also, I need them to send someone in who's like number one choice is Bryce. I feel like he has a lot of love to give and nowhere to put it. Like Trinity does not like him. They're very confusing. And I also feel like you can tell a lot from a couple by like what they do at night.

Like do they kiss? Of course. And Bryce and Trinity like they make out. Do they? Yeah. And then also I think Bay has said on AfterSun like she really likes him. Like they are very much into each other. But it's like, you know, I'm glad to hear that.

But like it is weird when every conversation is like, do you like me, show me you like me from both of them. Both of them feel like the other doesn't like them. Something's not working. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what it is. And then also like with Bryce and Kada like, yeah, that was cringe. But like I saw a tweet that was like he did in a respectful way.

He like and I understand what he's saying, which is like, you know, if he winds up single or like something happens like you do have to try and, you know, go down every path. So like he looked down there and she said no and great. I just want to say, I don't know if I'm alone in this, I had not one problem with him doing that. He did it so respectfully. That's exactly what you're supposed to do. And like everyone in the village is just annoying because they encourage people to explore and then they get mad at people who explore. It's like, which fucking one do you want? And Zach and Kada, every single one of their problems would be solved if they just closed off.

Yeah. And it's him who won't. And it gives me pause and I think it's a red flag. Yeah, well, they're going to the hideaway. I wonder if they'll steal the deal. And like if you go to the hideway and have sex And you still don't close off Well then that's a new girl

You know? Okay. Yeah. You know like Yeah So maybe they'll have sex and then close off. And I was getting the vibe that like she was so excited to have sex Like he wasn't like oh well also the producers want us to think that he's gay for Bryce Okay Because the audience

I would love that The audience is like you know shipping the two of them Shipping the edits Zach and Bryce and also they do have like a best friendship in the house Even the girls walk past they're like it's everyone's favorite romance like they do have like a special friendship and now producers like see that so they're like showing us more of that they showed us like Zach with the hot dogs like very closely um they're really trying to like play up like play into that that Zach is gay and for Bryce that like they were into one another like I would say like yeah like that's an exciting plot twist let's do it I don't think that they are so like let's stop wasting our time having them seem like having him seem like reticent about sex with Ceda like feeds into like Zach and Bryce are the Nicolandre of this season, like the unlikely to who people are shipping. You've seen that, yes?

Yes. And now producers are playing into it. Yeah. So maybe he does. I think it's fake, much like Nicolandria. Yeah, I think they're just friends. But then people are like finding all this stuff from the social media that's like. Yes, I actually did see a couple of things from Zach's social media that were leaning

queer. Yes, yes. So it's not impossible. Maybe it's not so fake. Yeah. Or like, or even when Kada was like, I'm so excited to go to the high. away with Zach and have all of his attention. You know, like Bryce won't be there.

She literally said that. But I also feel like it could be like producers being like people are like making a lot of jokes about their friendship. Like make a joke. Yeah. But they're definitely, although they play into like fan theories a lot. It's annoying because the fans are dumb.

Yeah. Sometimes it's funny and sometimes it's just straight up dumb. Yeah. And it's like, why don't you play into like the fan theories of like bringing Sean back? Like that's the type of shit we like. Sending Melanie home. Fan theory. Getting sincere out of it.

I actually, I don't want Melanie to go home yet. No, no, I actually, right now my problem is not with me. No, and even when she's a genuine crazy person, I'm not fatigued of her yet. Like, with Hoodie got to a point that like, it was not good. It was toxic. But Melanie still has like much to give to this villa. I don't want her to go home. I agree.

And even if Corbyn and Jen had coupled and she was vulnerable, I wouldn't say send her home. I'd say, yes, she should be single and be, you know, this dramatic element in the villa. Eventually, though, you know, if she fails to grow and it's just so cyclical and we're watching the same thing over and over again. Then it's time to go. And that's what happened with Huda, but she never went. But she never went.

So it's not Melanie's time. I don't feel that way. Like she is good for television. It's sincere time. I'm having strong feelings. It's sincere time. He should not be allowed to like speak to women in the villa and like get any one of these beautiful women's time.

He's an actual, like he's a danger. I hate him. I hate him. And I gave him like so much leeway. I really did. I gave him so much, you know, time, my heart, my energy, you bitch. Yeah. And then also Beatrice has reacted to speculation about her sexuality. She was FaceTiming with her friend. Her friend was like, bro, these bitch just swear that you're gay. It's a big thing on the internet. And she clapped back saying athletes are always put in that box. Like if you're a female athlete, you're probably gay. She said, I'm just a tomboy. Let me live my life. I love Dick. Please.

I know and I thought like a lot of it was a stretch But like so many sneakers that like It gets to a point with the Jordans and the dress But also I feel like because she's an athlete And it's probably I don't know if this is like okay to say Like more prevalent to like be gay in her field That like if she was she would be Oh I don't think it was for like

When I saw people saying that I wasn't thinking about like the sneakers or the athleticism I felt like it was her personality I thought it was like a lot the sneakers like for real like um but then i think also like you have to consider the fact that like it's probably more comfortable when you have a of course of course that like what i have to be like it's hard enough to wear heels when you don't have a prosthetic leg no she's just like you know very much like one of the guy sort of it i guess that's what she's saying when you're an athlete like people that just

think of you that way it's sort of like the conversation she was having with Melanie too where it's like they just see me as one of the guys not being soft because i can play football with them and like Melanie can't and Melanie's like i'm so jealous i wish i could throw ball the craziest work So many backhanded compliments. That was the worst conversation ever. I would have liked to be at a stay for a lot of reasons. One, I got, like, very upset with her conversation with Gabriel. Like, I think that them, I don't know if they're being forced to speak in English,

but I think that it definitely, like, hindered his ability to, like, share his feelings. And he said, like, I'm just much more able to speak from the heart when I speak my own language. So when they said goodbye and it automatically started talking Spanish, like, I got, like, really choked up. And I wasn't even such a believer in their love. I thought, like, maybe he didn't even like her. But in that way, he's, like, so quickly with Jen, like, he definitely didn't like Beah. No, I think he liked her.

I think he likes everyone and loves everything. Yeah, he's a lover. He's just, like, DTF. He's a lover. Yeah, I think he loves women. I think he loves women. I love him. I just want to say he's getting, like, a bad rap for being, like, freaky, and maybe not

having liked Beah. But that goodbye was, like, hella emotional. And I just want to say, Beah being like, guys, come down. I'm not dying. Like, then everyone started crying. she was the only one and like I hate that they made me hate her because I feel like all the OG girls

have a really tight friendship except Beia hates Melanie and we need sort of more conflict amongst the girls not just like isolating the bombshells She was the only one holding Melanie accountable but like actually. Actually and Beatrice's in Trinity were very close because Trinity is very upset that she's gone. I think Melanie and Kenzie are like starting to drift

but like this core girl group from the original villagers, like being so toxicly loyal to one another. It's really starting to piss me off. Like when I said I wanted the girls to be mean to each other, this is not what I meant. No, me neither. Like steal each other's man. Yeah, don't be afraid. I'm glad that's so on Casey you're talking.

And then that's what I was going to say. Zach Casey Anaya, the challenge. So once again, like Zach is being honest and I don't really have a problem with him. And yeah, I guess they showed us like one. time when he was like, oh, so looks like my ex. But I guess it was like more of a thing that he had wanted to talk to her and decided not to. And yeah, Zach has kind of kind of being like ace, like last season being sort of the villa police.

And it's a little annoying. It's getting to a point. But he was asked. He was asked. The Ket thing is not the same thing to me as the soul thing. I don't even remember what she was accused of. But it's like you don't know this person. Why are you behind her again?

But and it's funny because if anybody else had been asked a question, if it wasn't Zach, they would have done it to Zach because like he does think he's one. He has the strongest. couple there and that's fair. So when he dumped it on Casey and like, and he didn't dumb it on an Aya. So like if he had dumped it on a guy, that would be wrong. But like to dumb it on a fellow guy who cares. And I guess he was a little tea spilled.

I don't think he realized when he was like, you know, you wanted to talk to soul and you didn't because like you think. I don't think Anaya knew that. Yeah. She knew that like he was her type but didn't know that. And you know what? I'm glad to see like the strong couples because if you're that strong like a wrench thrown into your coupling like how can you dodge duck dip dive and dodge that wrench?

And Zach and Cato will have. wrench is thrown at them at some point. I also think like the hideaway some things will come up. But it's also interesting that they got the hideaway like right after they sort of like fucked up, took a big shit on Casey and Iia because would Casey and I have gotten the hideway? I just want to say, I think that Casey and Iia will make it through. I will.

I do. I don't have a good feeling about Zach and Kada. More so Zach. There's something really like weird about him to me. And I don't think he like is appreciative enough to be with a girl who's like so fucking hot and loves him so much. Like it's a dream. Yeah. He doesn't seem content.

Yeah. She's like so into him when to be honest. Like I'm sure literally if she wants to be with any guy in the villa, he would leave their connection for her. Like she's definitely one of the hottest in the villa. And like, I don't know. And Bryce don't like him anymore. I just don't like him anymore. Kaden needs to get a little smarter and she needs to start playing games to.

She's like love sick. She's got puppy dog guys. She can't see anything. him like whatever he wants you know she doesn't give him a hard time about stuff and she needs to make him work for it a little bit and she's not being smart enough and she that's how you get hurt and like I don't I'm not one for games in general but like he is not deserving of her unbridled love and affection and she needs to bridle it a little bit in the challenge she needs to start flirting with other guys and making him jealous and being like well you don't want to close off and so I'm going to you know talk to

people because we're not closed off and make him sick they did come confessional as couples during the challenge. And Zach actually said something like hella derogatory towards her. And she just like laughed it off. They were talking about how he was trying to get the ball up her body and couldn't do it. So they switched and she got the ball up his body. And he was like, and it worked because she's used to being down there. That's how you fucking talk about your girl.

Like I don't know. I'm getting really bad vibes from her. I just want to say I don't like him. Yeah. I feel like it's producers trying to make us think that he doesn't like her and he likes Bryce just so you know. So like got it. But I feel like that derogatory.

comment has nothing to do with Bryce. Yeah. No, no, I know. But if there are like wonderful routinely moments where he's constantly affirming her and that's why she's so happy

and love sick, they're not going to show us. Maybe, okay, maybe I'm like once again getting swept up in the fucking producers because I'm so easily manipulated. Yeah, but she needs to get smart. Like,

yeah, because. And I feel like she came in with this sort of like edge to her and like she wasn't easy to read. And now she's like the happiest girl on the plan. She's so pretty. It's like,

she's in love. Yeah. She's literally in love. I know. But like you could, she's so close to like, you know, sealing the deal with him. But she's going to have to work for it a little bit.

And like, you know, she's got to be a little bit more hard to get. She's got to make it happen for herself. Yeah. So I don't know. Maybe he'll fall in line. Let's see what happens after the hideaway. And if they do have sex, like they should close off. But they won't.

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