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Jackson, Claude, favorite show the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off, swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to the toast. Happy Thursday. Hey, Jacqueline. How are you?

I am good. Happy Thursday. Ladder half. Weird week. Gang, gang, ladder half. Weird week energy. W.E. Agreed, 100%.

Summer Slam. WWA. And speaking of, that reminds me, I really have not seen enough celebrities during my time in L.A. Have you been going to their... Well, you saw one yesterday. Who? Sheen.

Austin. Oh my God, you guys. Wait, yes. Wow, I had the longest day yesterday. Okay, I saw Shane Dawson. So there's your celeb spotting for the day. Great. We were at the Beverly Hills Hotel having lunch and this enormous cyber truck pulled up and I was like, oh, I wonder what like tech douche lord it's going to be. Shane Dawson comes out. And let me tell you, it looks exactly the same as he did when we like were all watching his docu series. like the tight black jeans, the combat boots, like same look at everything. As much as I'm not a fan of Shane Dawson, like I do miss that time. I miss who I was. Like I miss every, the energy around it, the Shane Dawson-Jepard Starr collab. What was it called conspiracy?

Yes. The conspiracy theory palette or something. That was the conspiracy palette. Like that they had us buying those eyeshadows from like inspired by Shane Dawson selling makeup. It just goes to show the power of marketing. It's so true because like Why would I be What does Shane Dawson know about makeup?

Why would I be inspired to buy makeup from Shane Dawson? Like I don't know but I did it. And the whole point of the docu series was like trying to turn Shane Dawson into some sort of makeup guru when he doesn't wear makeup. Like I... That's also the power of Jeffrey's Star

because like Jeffrey Star's stamp of approval onto Shane Dawson made it so that I was buying the palette and then what was even crazier was that like after the show aired and they had shown colors they were going to put in the palette and one color didn't make it and the fans were like oh my god but we love that color it was a green so then they made more palettes and they just swapped out one color and like

it's still sold out Jackie like to this day it's one of the highest grossing makeup palettes of all time like it was insane no it's a master class in mass psychosis yeah and group think you just had to be there so I don't Jackie the fact that you Me. Me. I remember, I remember at the time. Jackie, the fact that you is what makes most powerful marketing campaign on the planet that I. Yeah, infiltrated your mind. Make up from Shane Dawson. The Communist Party of China has not even been able to get to Jackie. Like, she's really not infiltratable. No. But Shane Dawson got to. It's really Jeffrey Star.

I just want to say it was really Jeffrey Star, like, because I really fell in love with Jeffrey Self. Mm-hmm. And I just remember, like, watching all those episodes of the docu-series on YouTube. Like, I remember we were flying to L.A. I'm, like, downloading them on YouTube so I can watch them on my flight. Mm-hmm. I do miss that time, even though, like, I don't recognize that person. Like, I was a part of something massive.

It was fun to be excited about something. It really, really was. So thank you for reminding me. I have, yes, I've seen now two celebrities. But are you going to seek out more celebrities? Well, I was pretty sure I saw Al Pacino at the Cheesecake Factory last night. I just couldn't 100% confirm it because I don't really know what Al Pacino looks like. Yeah, so it probably wasn't him.

I don't know. We were in Beverly Hills. You should go where the celebs go. Well, Kathy Hilton goes to that Cheesecake Factory once a week. Well, I told you you should go to Nobu Malibu. Yeah, I know. There's a lot of things I should do. Sorry, I'm busy.

Yeah, but you have to eat. So true. You still have to have dinner and lunch and breakfast. That's three times a day that you could see a star. No boom out of it. It's so true. Yeah. Today is Thursday, which means the show is so chill, right?

Did you catch up on Love is Blind? I watched the first episode that dropped. Me too. This is like the part of Love is Blind. I'm not going to spoil anything. That like I feel like they really drag it out. Like there doesn't need to be four or five episodes drop batches. Like two or three.

Well, I said this to Zach last night. I feel like when Love is Blind first started. the apartment living part was like longer. The process wasn't like two to three weeks. It felt more like four to five to six weeks. And I felt like cameras picked up like once a week in the apartments. And they would like recap us on like the fights that they had that week. Right now I feel like we're seeing every minute.

There are only two weeks in the apartment or less before they get married. And I feel like we're seeing every waking minute because they're literally saying this morning my mom came over. And then the afternoon they're doing tuxes. Yeah. I feel like in the past they've let them sort of breathe a little bit and then caught us up every few days. Whereas now we're watching everything like watching that. And then also they don't know how to edit.

I guess their editor got sick because they don't know how to trim a fight to like the amount of fight that we want to see. Because I don't want to see all that. I don't want to callambria. I'm talking about Annie and Nick's fight her drunk. I'm sorry. I don't want to watch a drunk girl telling her boyfriend he doesn't love her enough. Like, I don't, that's not interesting television and I don't need it to go on forever. Like, she's fucking awful.

She's fucking hate her. She's awful. I think the temperature is that like Nick is the bad guy in the relationship. We'll get to the recap. I don't think so. But even among the cast, like they're all saying like Nick feels so calculated and like everything he said was always just like. I'm sorry.

Like she's crazy. You're not going to get me to be on her side. No, I actually really started to come around to him in the last few episodes. Me too. Like this is a man who like has his shit together. No, okay, you know what? We're getting into the recap territory. But anyways, the editor, I don't know what happened to the editor.

I hope we're through a Shlema, you need to get back to work because these episodes are not being edited. Yeah. And they're like not the most interesting people on the planet. So we'll do a TV recap and then the stories are, describe them. Are good. It's like, you know, any, like if it was a different jacks today, like I could have even picked like five different stories. They're all sort of like interchangeable, you know? Nothing like, oh, heavy-hitting stuff.

It's feeling very spontaneous. No, not spontaneous, just interchangeable, you know? Maybe with a dash of spontaneity? No, I don't think that there's really a spontaneous. Because I feel like what you just described, it's kind of like textbook definition of spontaneous. No, well, then I described it wrong because they're not spontaneous. They're just sort of like interchangeable.

There's just like a lot of like mid stories today. So maybe like sporadic? Mid, I would say. I hope not spurious. Radically, of course. And then I also started another show yesterday. Okay, she's the queen of script TV. Nobody wants this.

Oh, my God. She's four years late. I know. Thank you for finally watching. And I'm really enjoying it. And I'm excited for season two. Season two is coming out. We've been reporting on it a lot.

A lot of like new familiar faces are turning the cast. So I was like, I'm going to get in on this. And I'm like halfway through the season. And it's just so crazy how like the sisters on that show, like they're so Sarah and Aaron Foster. Like that. actress who's playing Sarah Foster. Justine Loop, I think her name is.

Yeah, she's from Succession. She deserves an Emmy. Like, if I close my eyes, it's Sarah Foster talking. Even, like, the things she says, the way she says them, like, greatest actress of our generation. She was pregnant at the time of filming, like, super early days. First trimester, she was talking about that. Well, you love to see that. You love to see it.

You do. And I feel like that show has really influenced the way random people on the street perceive our Like when I tell people that I do a podcast with my sister, they're like, oh, like that show, nobody wants this. And I'm like, oh, I guess so. And now watching it. Now I know like how to respond because it is sort of like that, but not entirely. We're very efficient.

They're a little crazy. But it gives like a sense of legitimacy. They're a little crazy. Of course, but so are the foster sisters. I know, but like they're crazy with their podcast. Like they're always fighting in front of like executives. Oh, yeah, yeah. We would literally never.

Yeah. No, and I feel like their relationship is like going to have some tension soon because like they keep like putting each other down and like. Yeah, and like one is evolving while the other's not and like that makes it awkward. But like Kristen Bell's also like a bitch to. Yeah. Sarah. And like didn't think she could take that meeting, but she did a great job in the meeting.

Meanwhile, Kristen Bell's in and out of the meeting with her boyfriend. Like be professional and you think you're the better business woman. Agreed. This is the better business bureau. Meanwhile, Sarah's there sat. Exactly. And is something going to happen. between Sarah and the brother?

Please, Lord, no. So I feel like they were suggesting that a lot. But then I think that was squashed. Like, after the series got really popular, Sarah or Erin, like, was talking about it. And they were like, no. Okay, good. Because, like, he's happily, unhappily married.

And the crazy thing is that, like, the actor, I don't know his name. Like, he's Jonah. Yeah. He's Jonah from V. They should have named his character Jonah just for, like, continuity. Continuity. And it's like a very Jewish name.

Because I will never be able to know him as anything other than Jonah. Yeah, he is Jonah. I guess in the show he is Sasha. But his relationship with his wife. That doesn't feel right. Though it's not like, you know, they're not in the honeymoon. They're not like rabbi and Sarah. They all have four names because they have their cast names.

They have who they're based on. And then they also have their real name in real life. Seth Cohen. So we have Kristen, Sarah. Kristen, Aaron, and Joanne. Yeah. Well, welcome. We're so glad to have you here.

We can't wait to hear your thoughts on season two. Yeah. She made it. Her content plate is slowly getting cleared. You guys, the wheels of content consumption moves slowly, but they grind mighty fine. Listen, it's not about the destination. It's about the journey. Amen.

How else do I want to tell you? I went to the Beverly Hills Hotel. yesterday. Didn't see any celebs who had a purge, Alyssa lunch. Maybe you were the celeb. You know what? That other people had spotted. I was thinking that.

You were somebody Shane Dawson. That's beautiful. Was that nice? That's true. Actually, I did run into a couple of toasters, yeah. And just like something I wanted to remark on because they've been really negative about L.A. I had like an amazing experience where I ordered a Diet Coke. me and Ben both did and I guess the waiter could tell we were like chugging him you know we weren't

going to be polite and he just like sort of to make his life easier brought us a big carafe of DC and he kept just like refilling the carafe and like we were free to refill our own drinks it was really it was special it was and I feel like bring the pitcher back you know whatever happened to the pitcher yeah yeah I'm team pitcher karaf whatever you want to call it this one was a cariff you know like it was very um Like very hotel. But nowadays when I get a soda, when I go out, like it's my one soda. Okay, but not everyone's pregnant.

Now we know too much about soda. So I'm not like, I don't want bottomless soda. I want like my treat of soda. But I'm not going to be drinking it like water. Okay, but I am. So I think the picture should be an option. Okay. Pitcher.

Pitcher. What else do I want to tell you? I haven't even talked to you like all day. No, I literally spoke to you like three times yesterday. Oh yeah, I went to the park and had a big chat with you. I forgot about that. We're so caught up. Yeah, I went to the park.

Yeah, she's a park goer. They do have nice parks. I do love a nature walk. People don't realize that about Turney. Give me a flat walk. Oh, I'm so fucking in. Give me something with the incline. I'm not as in, but I'll do it begrudgingly, but it'll be cut short.

I went to a really nice park yesterday. And, yeah, they got nice parks here. They do. Parks and wreck. Yeah. That's good. They should. Yeah, lots of them.

Yeah, that's all. there is here land land nature high taxes to sustain correct facilities although I did like notice something at the park and now it's just like something I'm noticing that people here are obsessed with their dogs like it's a very like a dog friendly town but more so than that people are obsessed with having their dogs off leash I literally like was in the hallway of this office building today there was a woman with her dog off leash like it's very rare in the city that you see a dog off leash and when you do everybody in the sidewalk is like whose dog is that like is he lost like it's so it's

crazy. Yeah. People here, like, I have seen more dogs off leash than I have on leash when I was at the park yesterday, just chit-chat and gabbing away with my girly on the phone, this dog came up to me. I thought it was a coyote. It was like, it was black. It was the scariest looking dog ever. And you know, they do have coyotes here. And he like came up to my leg. I was, ah, twice. She thought it was a coyote. She's evaluating it. She's like, how do I know, but I was like, take a picture. I didn't chat chvety. She was like, oh, you know, he's wearing a collar. Then I was talking he was wearing a collar. So I figured. But the. owner was nowhere in sight.

Like, I looked around. I thought someone would make eye contact with me. And you're like, yeah, I like, that's my dog. No, nothing. People are obsessed without having their dogs on leashes here. I guess it's like a flex that you, like, spent a lot of money on training and, like, your dog's ball behave. Who gives a fuck?

And, like, is it not even that inconvenient. Like, I understand, like, yeah, sometimes, you know, I'm not going to put my seatbelt on. You know, like, it's like, whatever. Putting your dog on a leash is, like, not hard. And I'm the laziest person ever. Yeah, I guess. I don't have a strong opinion about it. Just don't bite me.

And if your dog does bite me, I'm going to sue the fuck out of you. Just know. Well, then I feel like we're always hearing like about like celebrities or reality stars who go on their Instagrams and tell like a story about something that happened to them at the dog park. And it's always about some bitch-ass dog that was off leash. But at a dog park, dog park should be able to be off leash. At a dog park.

I was at a park. And the park was not enclosed. There was kids everywhere. And it wasn't like fenced in. So it was just like on the street. It is crazy. You must be really confident. I would let stride.

Like I'm confident in stride guy enough to know that he wouldn't like go and bite someone. but he would go steal someone's food out of their purse. Yeah. And for that reason. He could steal someone's lunch money. Yeah, he really would. So, like, I couldn't have him off leash for that. Romeo would never come back.

Devastating. Bye-bye Romeo. You know, I can never put Romeo off leash. That's insane. Yeah, I don't understand the urge is what I'll say. Correct. I don't have those sorts of urges. That's good.

That you can control your urges. I don't even have them. You don't have urges to control. I don't have urges of taking my dog off leash. And for those of you who do, like, why? And when you hear a dog leash, what do you think? I do. Okay, we don't have the exact same brain, it turns out.

Like what? Miss Dog leash. What's that? From the Downton Abbey movie. She's the American actress who comes and stays at the house. Oh, oh. And then when they turn into a talking movie, she like can't talk. So Mary subs in for her.

Right, right, right. No, not. Miss Doglish. Not even. Not even. The new Downton Abbey is available on demand, by the way. I saw it on pay-per-view in my TV. I'm going to have to treat myself a little popcorn,

but I'll have to watch it at 4 o'clock for my acid reflux because I can't have popcorn that late, but I'm not watching the movie without popcorn. Yeah, but watching the movie during the day doesn't hit. Yeah, well, I blackout shades. Oh, okay, okay. I'll just like. That counts.

I'll put my cell on. She'll be on LA time. I'll put myself on daylight savings, like, yeah, yeah. Which is coming up, by the way. Oh, is it? Yeah, of like getting dark, super early, like cherish these last few days.

This is going to be my first daylight savings with a baby. I feel like they say it hits harder because like bedtime and stuff. Sort of, but it's really not that disruptive. But especially like Foo, he handles every challenge with such grace and poised and like seamlessly. He will crush daylight savings. I hadn't made your mind.

So I always see I always feed foe like on my breastfeeding pillow like in my lap like he lays across my chest. But I've seen like on TikTok and stuff like you can like feed laying down in bed. Like you're on your side, babies on their side and they just like feed. From your boob. From your boob, yeah. Sorry, I'm exclusively talking about boob. And like just the way my jugs are like I can't do that without suffocating him.

And this morning I was so tired. I'm like if I could just be one of those girls on Instagram who sleeps. on her side while the baby feeds like I would be okay and you know what I made it work I did it we both survived once again handling every transition seamlessly for mr. foo yes exactly so I'm not really worried about daylight savings like kind of Ruby's like living like a bi coastal life right now he already had jet lag like he's three out like nothing is going to get between him and his sleep schedule correct so honestly and also like this daylight savings like where it gets darker earlier it's like cozier like you want to sleep more yep yeah the body like oh

I have to go to sleep. The body yearns. But when it's in the summer and it's still bright and pargy out and the kids are like, I have to go to bed. I don't think so. Oh, that's sad. I don't think so. And then you end up going to bed with the sun at nine o'clock.

Nine o'clock. So anyways, they haven't changed daylight savings yet because they were supposed to cancel. Even though I know there's legislation up on the hill about it. It was going to be canceled. Usually I'm abreast of what's going on. but it is what it is. I'll say maybe next year. Maybe next year.

But like I think it helps the farmers and like some kids in Alaska going to school with the sun and not having to go to the bus stop in the dark. Well, they can use a flashlight, but it's fine. So for the Alaskans, we stand with you. If I need to be slightly inconvenienced so some kid in Alaska can make it to school on time, like, you know what? And doesn't have to like go to the bus in the dark. Stop, I'm going to cry, but the bus.

Not the bus. There's something about, I don't know if this is, maybe like an empath or just like being extremely postpartum. I'm like something about like a kid on a bus like makes me cry. Like a school bus. Yeah. Like it's so precious. Like your yellow school bus.

Like I'm seriously going to cry. I know. In the short one. No stop. I need to like move to the suburbs just so I can like get my kids on a bus. So you can cry. Literally. Okay.

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Yeah, to welcome. So last night was the Victoria's Secret fashion show. Victoria's Secret is back again for a while now. They're misappropriating funds because it seems like they spent all their money on paying every model on Earth to attend. And none on promotion because I, along with millions of Americans, had no idea that this event was taking place last night. Not a commercial, not a TikTok ad, nothing. Yeah. I don't even know where.

it streamed, I of course did not watch it, even once I knew that it was happening. However, there were some highlights and let's just talk about like the overall vibes. First, like the highlight for me was that Jasmine Tukes opened up the show, nine months pregnant, like looking part of you, which is all I like really wanted the last few years is like, like put pregnant women like in positions of power, put them on the cover of sports illustrated like opening the Victoria Secret runway. Like that's so gorgeous to me. I completely agree. She's so insane looking. She's One of my, I follow her on Instagram. She's one of my favorite people to follow.

She married like this very, very, very wealthy, like diplomat or something for like a Spanish country or something. Like really parjilicious. So she's always attending like world affairs. She's pregnant with her second baby. She's a former Victoria's Secret model. She's insane looking. Her body looked amazing.

Like seriously, like insane. Loved. That is probably the only positive thing I have to say about this. Yeah. Obsessed. Me too. And especially like for a brand that's a big one meant to like celebrate. women, like other brands do too, like I think being pregnant and having babies is like the most

impressive thing that a woman does with her body. So celebrating it is just like really beautiful. Agreed. I felt seen, of course. Of course. No, I loved it. Other than that, like I was unimpressed. And I have such a hot take and I don't know if the world is ready to hear it. Okay. So the models included like a lot of the former bombshells like Adriana Lima, which is fun. Candice Swanpole. Honestly, most of them were like the former Victoria Girls. There were a couple of new people. like Angel Reese walked. But they were people

who aren't traditionally models like Madison Beer walked influencers walked Angel Reese who's an athlete which is fun to like throw people in from different I'm not I'm not partial to only models. Yeah I wasn't mad about that

like Amelia Gray walked for the first time she's a model so like she's a new model angel she's like next gen Irina Shake walked the classics Bahadi Prince Lou Mm-hmm So we had a bunch of So it seems like they checked a lot of boxes.

Yes, some new people like Sunni Lee. Yes, they did athletes, they did influencers, they did singers. Carol G walked and performed. They had their OG models. They had the new generation of models. And I just have something to say. And I feel like it goes again. It's like this new world where it's like everyone's invited to everything and it's like inclusion.

And I'm a big fan. Like I like to see, obviously I've like seen. I've been different bodies my whole life. I love to see different bodies. But it is fun when something feels like. a little bit exclusive, you know, like kind of, it used to be, it used to be too exclusive, right? And like nobody could even get booked. And it was the same, like, 12 girls every year.

And every time there was someone knew, it was like, great, but she looks like everybody else. Like, I understand why it wasn't perfect. But now it's like, well, why don't I just walk? Like, everyone's there. Like, it's just like not, I don't know, like, exclusive at all. Interesting. But it's like when it was those 12 girls who all looked the same. Like, that was when it was great.

So it's weird. Yeah. It's weird. And I actually, like, I have no advice to give Victoria's secret because I actually, actually feel like this year they kind of went back to the classics they picked all the old supermodels they got the new models like they got all the big names and like still it just kind of feels old and tired and but I feel like in the last few years they tried to do you know swing the pendulum the other way and did like it was even more inclusive and like and that was also a mess I genuinely don't know how to advise

them to like get me to feel something about this show ever again they're unadvisable and you know what it is it just feels so forced I just know that everybody's there because they were paid a lot to be there Whereas I feel like, you know, Sports Illustrated in Miami Swim Week have really put Victoria's Secret on the balls of its ass, specifically like their annual event where they have all the models come. The Sports Illustrated. Swim's show. Yeah. And like they had Stasi and I thought that was like great. And they tap influencers.

They tap people from different areas. And it feels like those people are so excited. And they're, I don't know this to be a fact. It feels like they're doing it for free. Like, because it's just like an honor to be there. Not just feel like everybody was paid to be there last night. Yeah. I really don't know what to tell.

I feel like they, and the thing is even when they stop doing the show, I'm like, bring back this show, don't give it. Now the show's back. I'm like, maybe stop doing the show. Now the show has all the OG bombshells and I'm like, maybe don't have them. And then when they don't have them, I'm like, bring back the bombshells. I think it was. So, yeah, like nothing that they do is going to move me. And yeah, I certainly didn't. Because even though this should be like on a report card, like A plus, you got the big names, you got the new names. You got a little creative. You had fun. Yeah. No. It's not moving me because I've moved on. And I think a lot of people have.

And it's just like the harder they try, like the sadder it is. Yeah. I don't know how you turn it around. I don't know either. I feel like we have this conversation every year. But every year, like I have a bit of advice to give. Like, hey, why don't you bring? I don't know how you can get me to care.

or like feel anything or be like inspired by this. Like Alex Earle should have opened the show. Well Alex Earl should have opened the show by the way. Yeah, well she's busy but yeah. She probably was offered to do it. Yeah, her sister was in attendance. I saw like page six posted. But she's doing dancing with the stars.

Yeah. She definitely was offered. And who were all the performers? Carol B. Actually, I don't know. She has like that Sports Illustrated relationship. So maybe she doesn't want to. But a lot of these girls do.

Yeah, I guess. To Tate McCray perform? Did she? That would have been a good performer. I heard someone walking to her song, but I don't know if it was live. Did Tate McCrae perform? And Carol G. performed. And I feel like there was a girl group that performed. It's just like

they were too successful. We're just always comparing it, right? To like when Rihanna sang and Taylor Swift sang and Fall Out Boy and all those iconic performances that I've watched on YouTube a thousand times, like they're competing against themselves. Therefore, they will always lose. Yeah. So, I'm sorry. No, she did not.

She did not, but her song, sports car was featured on the runway portion. And by the way, Tate McCray would have been a perfect choice. Perfect. They're using her music anyway, so it's like seamless. She has an insane body. And she would have been like, I don't think you know what.

Yeah. There are actually a lot of great people who could have performed, who are like the elk of Victoria Seeker performer. Right. Like that's the best when someone's a performer and you're like, well, are they also a model? like when Taylorstuff was walking, she looked like every other bitch.

But that's kind of like Madison Beer. Like she didn't sing? Madison Beer, no, she walked. Right. Why not sing? She should have sung. Yeah. Why not sing?

But I'm excited for her that she walked. It's actually a really big deal for her. I'm here for the comeuppance of Madison Beer. I feel like, I don't know how exactly. I just feel like the industry has wronged her. She was like Justin Bieber's prodigy. She's like the prettiest girl alive with the most amazing singing voice. There's no reason.

She's like not famous. I know, but like. something happened like i don't know something fishy you think sometimes yeah there's like a lot of rumors about her sometimes people just don't take yeah but like there are there are things like out there about her oh okay and then she had like beef with her management she left scooter brawn like there was like drama okay well i'm just like happy for her boyfriend now me too like that feels like a win did you see josh allen gave an interview about his wife and said like seriously the most beautiful thing anybody's ever said it. I wanted to smack Ben after I saw it. I'm like,

you never say anything like that about me. You sound like Edmund. Stop. It was, bar none, the sweetest, most amazing thing anybody's ever said. Yeah. Let me turn Ben under the bus. Sorry, that was mean. Like, Ben says nice things about me all the time. He does. Do you want to tell everyone what Chaja Helen said? I can't remember it, but I just remember being deeply moved by it. Do you have been to find it? Yeah, I saw it, they were asked, like, what's like the best thing? What she's taught you? And, And he said, like, I'm more than a football player. Yeah, no, it was really beautiful.

Josh Allen reveals biggest thing he's learned from his wife, Haley Steinfeld. Maybe that I'm more than a football player. My whole dream as a kid was to be in this position and I never thought of anything outside of that or beyond that. But there's life after it as well. Getting married, it was the coolest. It was the most important day of my life. And then all that other stuff is just kind of the cherry on top. Stop, I love him.

My wife, my wife is unbelievable, undeniable rock star in her world, in her life. and as a person, she's everything that I need in my life. No, I'm sick. I'm sick. I love him so much. I love them. Honestly, I think it's time. Like, I become a Bills fan.

But I also feel like now that they're married and settled, I'm ready for Madison and Josh. Oh, I thought you were going to say I'm ready for her to have a baby. And I'm like, you're so fucking toxic. No, no, no. I was going to say, like, I need something new and exciting. Yeah, to get excited about. And, of course, like, Taylor and Travis, we have,

but, like, Madison and Josh, like, really remind me of Josh. Of a young ham. And she could leave it all behind, especially this toxic industry that is wronged her, as you say. And she could just, like, be there for her charger. Yeah, for her charger. Her charger's not charging on his iPad because it got used to your iPad instead of mine. Yeah, love. So that's good.

And now, like, he's girlfriend's like a Victoria's Secret model. Oh, wait. And Haley Steinfeld would have been an amazing performer slash model. Yeah. If she were to have been invited. She has so many songs. Like so, most girls. Yeah.

Like she has so many good anthems. Yeah. For this type of event. Honestly, put us in charge. That's my advice. I feel like every year we need to give advice. Here is my advice. Put me in charge.

You know, that's always what we say about everything. And this is the first time I'm saying, like, I can't offer my services to you. Like you're beyond help. There are certain people, like if you attach them to a project, like it will be a success no matter what. Now obviously. Like Sean McNamara. Correct. Can you or take them?

If they could have swindled by like, put Kenny or take out of the Victoria Secret Fashion Show, give those models some dancing, some choreography. Also, yeah, like, you know, I'm not going to critique the models because I'm not one. But like, yeah. Because they're just doing their job. Just like, get in there.

Give me a little something, pop and lock. Yeah. Oh, shout out Barbara Palvin. She's just my favorite. I feel like the Victoria Secret Fashion Show is the only opportunity I get to talk about her. And that one time she was like a size six, maybe she gained like five pounds. And they considered her a plus size model.

And they were like, look at us, we're inclusive. And she had like the most normal. amazing body on the planet. You always say that, but then someone said, like, that she wasn't. She was. She was considered, like, mid-size. Okay. When she was just normal.

And her husband, Dylan Spouse, was there all night, passing out little pins for endometriosis. Awareness. Awareness. He brought, like, when he was getting interviewed and anybody asked him, he had extra pins in his pocket and was giving them out because he said, Barbara just had her endosurgery. Like, stop, I love them. That's really sweet. They did look like hostage pins, which was also like a nice. I know, which I was excited about.

A nice nod to the hostages. It is, but the good news is that there are no hostages right now. Alive. Right. So. That is good news. So it would have been a little late for the pin, honestly. So that's the VS fashion show. Like hopefully it doesn't come back again next year, but we'll keep you posting.

Yeah, hopefully it doesn't come back. Next story, a little more fashion news. Sophia Ritchie Grange's new brand launched today. So SRG Atelier is a continuum. I have a question. Am I just out of the loop because I'm in L.A. and I go to bed at a time where everybody else is asleep and I wake up and it's like late? Or was the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show not marketed well?

And neither was this launch because I didn't hear about either of these things. The Victoria Secret Fashion Show was not marketed well. I think I mostly learned about it from Madison LaCoree because she was going and getting ready all day. She was amazing. From Zandra also who was going and getting ready all day. That's how I learned about it. I learned about it from Zandra as well. So you're not wrong for that.

SRG Italia, I mean, it's the launch of a fashion brand. It's like a collab with Revolve. It's not going to be like... Oh, it is? It is, but it's meant to be a standalone brand. They're comparing it to like Hilsa by Elsa Hoss, which I think is a really good comparison because like she's the face of the brand. But now the brand has legs like outside of Elsa.

Yeah, but it's like, is Elsa's backed by Revolve too? Yeah, I think it started as that. Got it. And right now like SRG Atelier has their own website, but it's like powered by Revolveld. That's actually smart. I like that business-wise. And I think also they're comparing it to like Nicole Ritchie's House of Harlow, which is also like powered by Revolve, Forward, et cetera,

and exists outside of Nicole now. But it didn't start as a Revolve. It started as like a self-funded brand by Nicole. And then she, I think, partnered with Revolve to like, you know, they have all the infrastructure. They may close. Like it's actually a really smart business move for Revolve. Yeah, exactly.

So, as R.R.G. It launched today. It will be available on Revolve and Forward as well as, on the DTC site for SRG, which is also operated on the back end by Ravall. So it's all the same, but she gets to, like, have her own site. It's a 56-piece collection. Oh, wow.

Reminiscent of Sophia's personal styles, neutrals mixed with pops of color, linens, beige coats. The prices range from about $250 on the lowest end to almost $2,000 for a coat. So they're... Oh, it's expensive. Yeah, but they're really emphasizing the quality. They're saying for the quality of...

these pieces, the prices are as low as they could possibly be. Okay, I just want to say, I have been tough on it because I really don't like the name. But it's really pretty stuff. I think it makes sense for her that it would be like a little bit more high end because this is like kind of like the Ariel's Charnas effect where it's like, you're selling a $40 sweater. You wear $4,000 sweaters. Like, why would we believe you?

And I think that's where she really struggled to like wear her own clothes. And everything Sophia Gritchie Grange wears is. a million dollars so if she had done like an Amazon line she didn't make sense for kids I loved for kids that's different that's different so I kind of obviously like that the prices are more expensive but for her like it does make a lot more sense it makes her look like a little bit more authentic yeah and I'm looking at the pieces oh this coat is really nice oh it's really it's so I got to get back to New York I got to get out of here I got to get out of here I want to get on the jackets are sick Honestly, go to the link in bio for...

I am on the Revolve, like, brand side. Wait, this is weird. Hmm. I'm on forward.com. Okay. And you know when, like, there's an item and it says new or like selling fast. Mm-hmm. Some of the items, it says it's in demand.

10 sold in five days. Oh, that's weird that they would tell you that. Six sold in five days. Even here on Revolved, trending, seven sold. That's weird. Yeah. By the way, I'm going to shop. Oh, let's say, is it size inclusive? Oh, oh. I like this Laurel jacket. No, wait, it's all really pretty. $500 hairs. She loves an asymmetrical hemline or like an asymmetrical neck line. Everything is either like mullet on one side or one arm. It's really pretty stuff, you guys. I'm shook. I was ready to be a hater. You know me.

Yeah, it is really nice, elegant stuff. I'm sure the quality is really good because she will be held to a different standard if she's charging $2,000 for things. Right. And I think this is like a really great idea with endless potenti. I agree. I'm very impressed. And I think that Hilsa and House of Harlow are really good comparisons for what it could be. You know what I'm thinking, but maybe it's just in my brain because I just watched that documentary. Victoria Beckham.

It's giving a little bit Victoria Beckham. Yeah, except a little bit lower end than that. Yes, it's not a fashion house because it's like partnered with revokem. But it being on foreword too makes it like a little bit more, you know. Yeah. Forward. Sorry, I mean, forward. Word.

Word. So that's what Miss Richie Grange has been up to. And I'm glad that it's here. I'm excited. Me too. I'm ready for the rebrand, though. The name is not working for me. Product lunches excite me.

Doing what you said we were going to do. Doing what you said we were going to do excites me. You know who else is doing this? We didn't even talk about. Gwyneth was launching like a. true fashion label she already had like goop clothing but this one's called she just posted about it i forget what it's called something you know gp guan it's called it's called what is it called it's gw y n gwen gwen gwen gwen gwen gwen gwen and i love that too yeah actually our next story is about

Gwyneth. So if I may, just... Any opportunity to talk about the most amazing woman, I just love her. It's actually about three of our favorite people. Kylie, Timothy, and Gwyneth. Yes, Gwyneth Pouser... That is literally this show. This is like, that is like this era of the show. You know, we always

get like obsessed with people, but like we've been in this era for a while. Yeah. Gwyneth did not know that her co-star Timothy Shalameh's young girlfriend with two kids was Kylie Jenner. So Gwyneth gave an interview to British Vogue and she confessed that her... She's on the cover. September. Yeah, she's starring in this new Marty Supreme Ping Kong movie with Timothy. And she said that in general she gets made fun of her not knowing anything. And one example of that is that when she was shooting this movie with Timothy,

she like had no idea who his girlfriend was. And she actually was praising him for being a 29 year old man who was involved with a young woman who has two kids. She was like, I was like, like not when it's sinking. It's like some down on her luck single mom when it's like billionaire Kylie. Yeah, that he just like, you know, embrace. I mean, but the thing is. It's up this woman off the street. It is Kylie, but he is with a single mother of two kids.

That's just like not how you think of her because you know her of so many other things. And like, no, but also when you hear the phrase single mom, a billionaire doesn't come to mind. You think of somebody who's like using, you know, one set of resources for an entire family. Yeah. You think financial. She said, I was like, that's so cool. I really love to hear that from a young man like you. I understand a 45-year-old who has his own kids going out with a woman with kids,

but it's a cool choice for him. I respect it. I think it's kind of punk rock because, you know, she has two kids. And when she was technically a single mom. She was a single mom with two kids when she met Brad Fowler. She could understand why he with his own kids would connect with her. She confessed that she did not know it was Kylie Jenner, who is the young single mother, girlfriend of Timothy Chalame.

Hilarious. Do you think that they hung out at all? Maybe they will, like, read a press coming out for this movie, but do the three of them get together? I could so see Kylie and Gwyneth actually getting along amazingly. Gweth is like a girlie. I feel like, yes. They were definitely like on set on location. Kylie was definitely there.

And they definitely got together. Like this is who Kylie needs to be hanging out with, not Charlie X, X, X, X, X. Gwyneth. Charlie X, X, X.X. Like, no. Not the vibe, Kylie. Yeah. Everyone's talking about Marty Supreme, though.

I'm looking forward to seeing it because, you know, I've only seen one Timothy Shalamee movie. Like, fun fact that me is that I've never seen any of his popular movies. I've never seen Wonka. I've never seen Call Me By Your Name. I just saw that Bob Dylan one. And I'm going to say it, it was terrible. And he was terrible. Like, the whole thing was awful.

So I'm coming to this tabula rasa. I'm going to pretend like Marty Supreme is the first movie I've seen that Timothy Shalame is in. I've also never seen him in Little Women. Like, I really don't consume his work. Right. I mean, Zach watched Wonka. and I was in the background. Oh, Jackie.

Making a brisket, but I didn't watch it. We watched Lady Bird together. Oh, we did. I don't recall him being in it. I think he was. Oh, I'm making that out. Sometimes. But like, he wasn't the Lady Bird himself.

Tell me, do you feel this call? Do you get Timothy Shalamey confused with Sersher Ronan? No. They, to me, are like, entertainable. I don't struggle with that. I struggle. Oh, we watched a rainy day in New York. That was a lot of Timothy.

We did. Woody Allen. Selena Gomez. We liked it. We did. We did. It was cutesy. It was full on Timothy. Selina? Leener. Is that a story today? What about her? Her weird Instagram story

last night? What was it? About crying? No, she posted a phone number. No, I didn't see this at all. It was just like a random picture of a wall. And she posted the phone number. And she said, let me just pull it up. Posted the phone number. And it's important worth noting I learned to the comments at the Zip code.

No, no, area code was South Jersey. Okay. Taking advantage of me and my love for that. Sorry, let me start over. Taking advantage of me and my love for my friends. Enjoy that person's number. When Jake T. Austin is in trouble, I need to hear from him and him only. So for those who don't know, Jake T. Austin played her little brother in Woods

at the Waverly Place. I have no idea what this is referring to. Okay. But she just blew up someone's phone number. So I did see. She exposed to scammer. was impersonating J.T. Austin after like a fraud attempt. So, um, that's a crazy. Sometimes I feel like she forgets she has 400 million followers. So the person seemingly fabricated a crisis

to exploit her loyalty and her emotional connection to J.T. Austin. And so she put him on blast. Well, you know what? I do feel like this is an important lesson that like if even Selena Gomez, like a billionaire pop star can get scammed, really, there's no hope for the rest of us. Like you would think she has like things in place to stop her from. being the victim of like a fishing scam, but yet here she is. Here we all are you guys. Call your parents. Make sure they're not giving anyone their credit card information on the phone. Yeah, it's definitely a

weird story and like the person who the phone number was linked to, like has been linked to Jake T. Was it Jen Chaw? No, the person, I'm not going to say, like, I don't want, seriously, what a stupid story? No, I know. The person

had previously, Jake T. Austin had previously mentioned working with someone with a similar name to this person who the phone number driver just to in June. So he's like affiliated with Jake T. where it was. It sounds like Jake T has like you know, scammers in his camp. Why is this all of our problem?

So true. Like we all are all going through our own difficulties. Why are we are all getting potential spam calls. Like we are all just trying to not go throughout the day with getting our identities stolen. But we are all missing important calls because we're screening them because we think that they're spam calls. So Joe. And we are all every day being told that we're not, that we haven't paid our taxes, even

though we have and the IRS doesn't call you, but you still start to question yourself when it's every single day. I don't know who needs to hear this, but the IRS will not call you. You will get a letter in the mail. If anybody calls you from the IRS for like your social security number, it is a scam, put the phone down and walk away. You're going to be okay. They'll get you by mail.

Yeah. So like we're all sort of like on our own journeys with spam. Right. And no one is immune. And I can't take on your spam issues, Selena. Like, I just can't. No. So that's what happened with Selena.

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Yep, they have reportedly split after less than your dating. It feels like less than four months of dating, but the two no longer felt a spark and realized they were better off his friends. A source has told the sun. The spark has gone between them, but they still love each other's company, and they've both really adult about it. They're remaining friendly. If anyone listening to this podcast knows Anna to Armis personally, like keep an eye on her.

If something, I just feel like if anything happens to Anna to Armas, like we know why. I just feel like it wasn't that deep. Like she's not, she wasn't like in it enough for her to feel like the full wrath. Or maybe like she saw how crazy this was because he wouldn't date anyone who's not in Scientology. Or maybe like, you know, they say the Jews around Hollywood, but like it's really the Scientologists. And I think that maybe she thought it would revitalize kind of like a dwindling career in TV and film. And maybe the roles weren't coming in the way that she thought it was. And she was like, all right, dating this old man is not worth it anymore.

I'm out. But I just, if that's the case, she didn't give it enough time. How long was it? It feels like it was just, let's see, six months. Yeah, but even she could see, like, the auditions. Like, maybe it just wasn't picking up, but maybe she just had a hard time stomaking it. Like, he's really not attractive.

They met on a set of something. I feel like they were working together. That's why in the beginning it was like, are they dating or are they just, like, sharing an helicopter to set? So, like, the movie hasn't even come out. Like, if that's the case, she didn't give it enough time, so I don't think that's the case. Like, I just feel like she should have, like,

you know, seen it through. Maybe just the spark. I don't know. I just feel like if she's going to use her dating life to like elevate her career, like she could just date like so many other people. I mean. She's beautiful. Yes, she could.

She's a hundred. I know, but like he has like a track. Like his movies are so successful. He like, he's a true traditional movie star. His relationships are always a big deal. They never even went on a red carpet together. They didn't even give it a fit like the full shot is what I'm saying.

Maybe they were never dating. I think that they were. But. Like the story makes no sense to me. Yeah, because I just feel like he doesn't do anything halfway. Yeah, them dating makes no sense. Them breaking out makes no sense. Like the whole thing makes no sense.

But it's over now. And I don't believe in love anymore. Are you ready for a fifth and final story? Some really crazy allegations because Kevin Federline has a new memoir coming out and he is sharing a lot of really. really like negative stuff about Brittany. And she has issued a statement in response to some of the headlines coming out from excerpts from his new memoir.

The book is called You Thought You Knew. And there's an excerpt that was published in the New York Times where there are he claims that their kids woke up to Brittany watching them sleep, quote, with a knife in her hand. In the penultimate chapter, he writes of her condition saying the clock is ticking and we're getting close to the 11th hour. Something bad is going to happen if things don't change. and my biggest fears that our sons will be left holding the pieces. He also alleged that she did cocaine while breastfeeding their son.

So there's just like a lot of crazy allegations in this memoir. Yeah. And I think people automatically dismiss anything Kevin Federline says because he just like, the joke is that he's a couch potato who never works and just cashes Britney's checks for child support. And now that both of the kids are 18, he's not getting child support anymore. So we have to write a book about Brittany to, you know, pay.

for his life. And while all of that may very well be true, I don't think enough gets said about the fact that like, you know, and Brittany has admitted herself, like, she hasn't been able to fulfill her duties as a mom. And he has been there as a dad. And I, I'm inclined to believe him. I know like everybody just dismisses everything he says because he's like thirsty and poor or whatever. But no, really, like he just, nobody takes him seriously. But I don't know, of everyone there, he has been there the whole time, you know? Yeah. And.

I don't think you can say stuff like this about someone. I mean, you can't without having something to back it up because she could sue him for like defamation and libel. Right. She would have to prove that that's not true. Yeah. So I don't think he's writing a book and I don't think anyone's publishing a book.

That's just made of an thing. Any major. New York Times. Any major publishing house is publishing a book with such. Who's publishing it? such claims that... Is he self-publishing? Could potentially be not true.

I don't think his self-published memoir would wind up in the New York Times. New York Times. I just want to see... You thought you knew. Yeah, here. It's crazy that he was like a backup dancer. I just want to see who published it, like if it's legit. Listen.

Publisher is listening. I don't know what that is. Let me just look it up. Yeah, it's probably like a... Imprint. An imprint. We all watch younger. We know the book world.

I'm not listening Punisher. I hate these people. Listen in publisher. Oh, God. Random House. There we go. No, are you sure? They have a listening library.

Oh, like, that's just a hard word to Google. It is. Oh, you're right. It is a listening library. I got it. Wait, listen in. Do not auto-correct me. You know, they're auto-corrected me.

Who is? Who owns? Yeah. Random house. No, listening library. I said listen in. Oh, listen in. I have no idea.

By the way, this publishing house does not exist. Oh, you think? Mm-hmm. Okay, that doesn't vote well, but why would the New York Times publish it then? I don't know. It's an audio-first publishing company. Listen in. So it's like an audiobook.

Okay, you guys, we have to dig deeper. But anyways, I want to share what Brittany's research. response has been because that's fair. So she posted to Instagram on Wednesday saying the constant gaslighting from my ex-husband is extremely hurtful and exhausting. I have always pleaded and screamed to have a life with my boys. Relationships

with teenage boys is complex. I have felt demoralized by the situation and I've always asked and almost begged for them to be a part of my life. Sadly, they have always witnessed the lack of respect shown by their own father for me. They need to take responsibility for themselves with one son only see me for 45 minutes in the past five years and the other

with only four visits in the past five years. I have pride too. From now on, I will let them know when I am available. Then she talks about the book. She said, trust me, those white lies in that book, they're going straight to the bank, and I'm the only one who genuinely gets hurt here. I will always love them, and if you really know me, you won't pay attention to the tabloids of my mental health and drinking. I'm actually a pretty intelligent woman who has been trying to live a sacred and private life the past five years. I speak on this because I have had enough, and any real woman would do the same. You know, I so want to like champion and believe her.

I do. But there's something to be said about the fact that those boys choose not to live with her and not to speak to her. Well, they're 19 and 20 no, so it's not even about living 10, but it's 45 minutes in the last five years. No, but I'm saying that's their choice. Yeah.

Before they turned 18, they were living with him. That was their choice. The breastfeeding while doing cocaine is such an insane allegation. I'm obviously taking it personally since I'm breastfeeding and I won't even take a zip it. I don't know I don't know

it begs the question you know I don't know I know it's like it's really sickening it's sickening if it's true and it's sickening if he made it up like everything is I don't know Kevin Federline and I'm not saying he's like the best most amazing honest

truthful guy he definitely like doesn't have a job and he definitely like uses Britney's money at his own discretion but he does also use to raise, did also use it as a single dad. Maybe when, you know, using it in the best, most perfect way. But of all the people stealing from Brittany over the last 10 years, I'm really not that mad at Kevin Federline for doing it. The one who was raising the kids. Yeah, maybe he was using

half the money on like sports betting, but the kids were getting dressed and going to school, you know? Yeah. So I don't know, I'm just not one of these people who's like jumping to Britney's defense because like Kevin's a couch potato. Well, couch potatoes deserve love too, okay? Yeah. Couch potatoes can be good dads. Yeah, and he's never going to beat those allegations. I've just never heard something about Kevin Fetterline that really changed. They never say like Kevin Fetterline, author, right?

Right, it's always Kevin Fetterline crack out. Oh my God, Couch Potato. Always Kevin Fetterline gold digger. Yeah. Now, by the way, it's not a crime. Now he can add author to his resume. Doing cocaine while breastfeeding, that is a crime. Being like a...

I'm trying to think of the word. In Yiddish, it's like... Like a Khaza? Yeah, like being a Khaza, not a crime. No. I've just never heard anything about Kevin Federline that has like definitively changed my opinion of him in such a negative way.

Like, no, people are not perfect, of course, but like, I don't know, I'm just not what. I'm not inclined to like always defend Britney against him, what, because he's lazy. So am I. I have to say I read her book. And if there was like a time to like, you know, he didn't come off well or anything,

but I actually don't remember really anything that he did that was like. Like so awful. Yeah. aside from like the custody stuff but well I stand but like if someone's I believe that she should not have had custody of those boys like yeah it's it's a mess it's a mess and it's like it's getting worse and she's like relatively quiet it's like sickening to talk about let's talk about love is blind okay I watched crazy Denverians okay so many thoughts mostly about Annie and her crazy hair it's like not talked about enough that she's a hairstylist like that's insane

No. The crazy thing is that, like, she basically manifested this breakup into existence, right? The whole time she's been like, I don't know. She spoke it into existence. Yeah. Yeah. She's so fucking insecure. It's like nobody wants to be around that.

Like, and it comes out really bad when she's drunk. Like, I feel like I like you more than you like me. I feel like you're going to say, no, she's just so insecure. And so you know what? Like, he spoke his truth because I don't know if that would have been his truth if she hadn't been such a misery. Yeah. And as much as I think he's going to get shit.

I really do think publicly, like people just didn't like him to begin with. And in the pods, I didn't like him. I didn't get him. But then throughout, like, getting to know him, seeing his house, seeing his family, I'm like, oh, this is, he's, like, very athletic. He's very industrious and, like, entrepreneurial. He's a unique fellow.

Yeah, like, he has his shit together and he has his life together. And, like, I think he's really serious about, like, wanting a wife and starting a family. And so, like, I'm, like, trusting his reasons for, like, being on the show. And I actually thought they were one of the stronger couples. But, like, so did I. Every time, like, we see them, especially, I think now it has to do, like, more with the drinking. She's like, you don't love me. And the way.

She's so annoying. It's not even what she's saying, which is like one of the most annoying things the person could say, but it's also like the way that she's saying it, like the way she's like her facials are. I couldn't. Swallowing her words. And like eyes closed. Like I could not live with that for the rest of my life. Seriously, go to sleep.

Yeah. Go to sleep. Don't drink if that's how you're going to be. But so I think people are going to fault him for like ending it when he did. And I think the other couple. Why, it's nicer than making her go to the alt. I think the other couples are like probably saying the same that like you know he seemed fake whatever there are three other couples who should who should be ending it right now as well.

Okay so can we agree that Jordan and Sparkle are so cute like I'm obsessed with them. Yeah they should get married. I hope they do get married. He's all in. He said like unless like she punches my son in the face like I'm saying yes. Yeah. And obviously for her it's just like not who she thought she was going to be with and obviously he has a kid so that's just like a big life change but i need sparkle megan to just like dive head in i love him together i think she's dove and head in i think it's a little weird for her that like she is going to marry someone who has a kid who she's gotten the opportunity to meet once because once he's not filming which i don't like of course not of course that's like a really big decision yeah but at least the kid doesn't live with him full time so

it's not like i don't think he lives with him ever no but i think he i think i've split custody because in the first episode they said he's a single dad so i'm like oh where's them when i hear that i'm like, so the mom's not in the picture. She died, right? But then the mom is very much in the picture. She said, like, they talk and they're talking about him, Luca, right? That's his name being on the show or not. And then he said it's pretty much 50-50 custody because somebody asked him.

Yeah, but then somebody asked, I think they were out with her friends and they were like, so does he live with you? Is he going to live with you? No, never. But he, but he, but Jordan had. Maybe they meant in like in the apartment, like this fake apartment? Yes, yes. I think that's what they meant.

Oh, okay. In Jordan's apartment where he lives, it's a one. bedroom and Luca has the bedroom, which was so sweet. Oh my God. His apartment was so cute. I don't know if you saw that episode. I did. And it was like all rocket chips. I just can't. Does anybody read the book part of your world? No. It was like this cute smut book. I talked about it on the podcast because it was like the one smut book I read where like it was like this really poor guy and this very wealthy woman. And like money was like such a thing with them. And it was so cringe and so awkward. But like he had a big dick or whatever. Like I feel like that's a very Sparkle Megan's story right now.

she can't get over the fact that like she has more money than this man. I don't think that's why she thought her life would end up. But she like loves him so much. And it's kind of a fairy tale. Yeah. No, I don't think she's hung up about the money because I think she has enough money for herself and like her life. The house hunting scene.

Like they really didn't need to do that to us. They didn't need a six bedroom house and like they need half of that house. Like they can easily get the sort of house they want. They can use all the proceeds from her LA house. So I think like she doesn't, she's not looking for money. Maybe she was used to it. But like she has enough and now she has love. I think that she's going about the experiment in the complete right way of like

maybe not what I thought and not what I'd gone for in the past, but this is what's right for me. Anyways, I agree. They're getting married if they don't. Like, they're the only ones. They are the only ones who have a chance of getting married. No one else is getting married. Let's talk about the nurse and the alcoholic. That scene with the tequila was nuts.

He's such a liar. Is the tequila still in the fridge? Oh, I don't know. Let me check. Like he didn't chug the whole thing. And it's completely gone. That was crazy. And I really, I like her a lot, but I will lose respect for her if she goes to the altar.

Because like it's clearly not, you got to call it. Of all the people in the mix right now, they have to call it. No, Joe and Madison. Oh, my God. When he was having dinner with her family and they were light years ahead of him in terms of like things they're talking about, excitement. Like you can see and feel him getting so overwhelmed. And not that they did anything wrong because if he were like all in, that would have been a lovely dinner. but considering he's not, like, their behavior was just, like, frightful for him.

Like, you know, they acted like a normal way that you should act when your daughter is, and like, oh, my God, and we're getting married. And, but, like, it was so much, like, if he was already. She's a nice family. She does have a nice family. And they were acting the way that you should act when, like, two people are getting married. But considering, like, he's not getting married, like, I think it just pushed me even further and, like, really overwhelmed him.

And sometimes with the families, when two couples are, when a couple are, couple is like not in a good place. Sometimes the family's actually bring them together. I think that happened with Anton and Ali even meeting his mom. It's like, oh wow, like I could be a part of this. I think also with Edmund's mom,

like I think KB really liked her. And they always help move things along. It's like, wait, you work with my family. My family likes you. Like let's make a go of this. When people are having doubts, it does help like seeing your life together. Yeah.

I think they really push him away just by being like so excited about this thing that he's not excited about. And he's like literally counting the minutes down until he can go home. Yeah. And then he's having a nervous breakdown during the tux thing. Like being weird, he won't even try on pants. Like they, if they don't break up today or on the next episode that I'm about to watch,

then they're both a bunch of liars. And I feel like they don't, because I feel like I saw footage of her like on wedding day. Right. So there are a lot of brides. They show us the back of their heads, but they're all clearly like different shape sizes and like hair colors. So I think there's a lot of brides. I think there's a lot of weddings,

but there should be one and that's it. Like everybody else. But if Edmund and Clambere went like, okay, even though that fight scene was so awkward, you know what? She's really looking for like a very toxic alpha male and she has found like a real like sweet little beta.

Like they are so not compatible. No, I'm sorry. You can't run and get the accessories from Ross. Like are that really bothered me. I know, I know. She has to do her hair and makeup. Like she needs, you know, an hour, minimum to get ready.

Like he doesn't have to do anything. He's sitting at home. He didn't work. She was doing errands all day. Like, you can't just go a mile down the road to Ross to get the Western Belt and the bandanas. I know. But like him,

her berating him was like genuinely painful. It was. Like a school principal. Like. It was. But as viewers, we needed the context to know why. No, of course.

And it's, it's a universal story for women. After a day of being a disappointment to her that then he goes, and you don't say anything nice to me in front of everyone. No, it's like you're doing. million things and you just need him to go pick up one thing and he can't do it or he's late. Like it's kind of a universal story for women.

He needed a dressing down. And that was what he got. It was painful to watch. And I think they have existing issues and just like personality differences. They're not compatible. But yes, you know, plenty of women. They don't get enough. I'm always, like I take a long time to get ready and I'm ready before my husband.

That frustrates me. Same. That frustrates me, you know? Yeah. Not a huge deal. Just everything compounding and then in front of everyone being like, you don't say nice. And they're just like having issues.

Oh, that comment, she's right for being mad at that comment. Yeah, in front of, it's like, why would I say something nice to you right now? You couldn't go to Ross. But you piss me off all day. Like, be just be lucky I'm here. Especially because she said, like, she actually didn't move on. They were making videos. Like, you wouldn't know if I was mad at you.

Right, right. And like, and then you're going to go back to, like, starting a fight in front of people. I will say she had a lot of things to be mad at him for. And I feel like she laid it out very well. Like, in terms of she's a good arguer, right? Like I felt bad for him because he was like getting berated. But everything she said, like she made her point. Like she said what she said.

Yeah. And like he was objectively. I don't think he internalized any of it. No, he was objectively wrong. But then when he said like, can you say something nice to me? Like I, I felt for him like a smidgen in that moment. Oh, I didn't. I didn't know.

When he said it in the apartment, not at the thing. Like he was like, yes, he's just accepted this dressing down. He's like kind of apologizing. He still doesn't know what he did wrong. but he just wants to hear like something nice about himself after everything. And if I were like KB, I wouldn't say anything nice. Of course. As a viewer, I'm just saying it's like he just needs to hear something nice about himself.

But like that's just where you can like be objective. But the fact that that was his reaction is why they're really not right for one another. And like then they're still filling out their marriage license. Why? Right. And remember she was the one who wanted him to like beat up a guy if he came and talked to her at a bar. Like that was so never going to happen. He can't even go to Ross.

No. So of course these two are not getting married. They should call it now. like Annie and Nick weren't even the first ones that I felt like needed to call it like same they were having like issues relationship issues but not they also were really like in love like enjoying each other while also struggling to figure out like their relationship um no one else is even enjoying each other yeah and ton and a lot of them are counting down the minutes until the experiment is over joe and madison joe's not enjoying anything joe is not and kby and edmund are not

there's no good times really. Yeah. I have a lot riding on Jordan and Sparkle. I did not expect to love them so much. They've just sort of come out of left field. And I feel like I can think of a person in recent memory who I feel is doing this so for the right reasons. Like Sparkle really gives authentic energy.

Yeah. Also, the editor was out sick for the wedding dress shopping episode because they showed every girl in two dresses. They've never done that before. I just want to say there are certain parts of every love blind season that I will fast forward. Trying on tuxes in wedding gowns, fast all the way fucking forward. And then the 30 minutes before the wedding.

Yeah. Oh, talking to my mom running outside. They tell us a bunch of hooey. That doesn't matter. They act like they're getting married and then they don't get married. Right. I skip right to do you? I do.

Those two things. I didn't even watch. I watched the wedding dresses just because like we were watching the episode and I'm scared. Zach loves episode so much. I can't fast forward when I'm watching with him. And they showed every girl in two dresses. And I thought each one, like, chose the wrong dress.

Like, they should have gone with the first one. But usually they show us one dress. So they are trying to extend this season and showing us a bunch of shit that we don't need to see. Yeah. And they just announced that there's a reunion, which that should be, like, the standard. There should always be a reunion. We need a, it's been a year, like, let's talk about it. I do just feel like Nick is about to, like, have this ass handed to him now that, like, it's out that he ended the relationship.

I know that Annie went on vile files. I don't know if she's meant to be like the sympathetic character, but like for me, she's not. Oh, she's literally Arionematics. I just, I wanted to say that they have the same fucking face. Yeah, I just like, I was shocked that he ended it as abruptly as he did

because it looked like they were sitting down. Oh, hey, brunch was good. Trying too much last night. And like he comes with like ending it. But like, yeah, it needed to end. What, he should wait till the end. He should waste his voice and time. No, I have respect.

He should lie inside someone. Like, and her reaction was just all weird too. No, she's so dramatic, like, packing her bags. No, and she was like, please. And on the one hand, she's, like, yelling at him. And then she's, like, begging him to, like, give it more time. No, and then she was like, and I knew it. I was right.

Well, yeah, you spoke it into existence. You were right. Congrats. Yeah, you manifested this for yourself. Yeah. Things you did, that. Madison's next. Not that it's all her fault because Joe was just not.

Because he was never into it. And I mean, he's like, you know, on the one hand, like, you're allowed to call off your engagement if it doesn't feel right. but like he called off his engagement as like invitations were going out. Like he's obviously cold-footed. I feel like he's just been struggling since the beginning with not being attracted to her and not wanting to pull out because of that because it's just such a bad look.

Yeah. That happens every season. There's somebody who just like cannot get past the looks but doesn't want to say it. They're just sort of like waiting for the other person to say it or just waiting until the very last minute. But then the reality starts to set in that like you're inviting people to your wedding. Yeah. But I think he's also annoyed by her.

I think like her personality is. coming off more annoying than it did in the pods. Yeah. And it's unfortunate that he just has this history of, like, having called off an engagement because he looks like an engagement caller offer. Right, but this doesn't count. I don't, I don't count it. Just saying.

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