The Toast - Dancing With The Semi-Stars: Thursday, September 17th, 2026

Episode Date: September 17, 2026

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It's Jackson, Claude and neighbor show the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off, swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy Thursday. I hope everybody's having a great second half of the week. We made it. Congrats.

To the grads. Grads. It's Thursday. Exciting stuff. Very exciting. Is there something you want to say to me? I like your yellow sweater. Well, thank you.

But no. Is there something you'd like to wish me? A happy anniversary. Yes, it's my ninth wedding anniversary. I got breakfast in bed this morning. I almost forgot. Like, I knew it was going to be the next day, but then I woke up, I wasn't thinking about it, and bed was gone.

It's like, where the hell is he? And it comes in with this steaming plate of French toast. Great way to start the day. That's really cute. Happy nine year anniversary. That's a lot of years, actually, for a girl who's only 25. So true, for a child bride. And you know what?

It doesn't feel like that many years because every time it turns like our anniversary, I start saying we've been married for 10 years. And now you're like, wait, we haven't even been married 10 years. I thought for sure this was like our 11th wedding anniversary. So to here it's only nine. I don't know. I'm not impressed. Yeah.

Are you guys doing anything fun to celebrate? Well, you know, Mama's got to work this evening. But I've turned my work event into a romantic evening for two. Oh, how romantic. Yes. No, actually it is. I have to go to, I'm going to an event for work, but it's so Ben's soft or coded.

Okay. That he is my plus one and I think he'll have a better time than me. Would he not have been, if it's so Ben coded and you have a plus one, would he not have been going with you, like even if it weren't your anniversary? Money, you just be quiet. Oh, sorry, sorry.

Why don't you just be quiet? I just, it's hard for me. I guess if I knew more details, like I could, I could picture it. I'll tell you guys tomorrow. It sounds like you're bringing him to a work event. I technically am bringing him to a work event, which obviously on its,

face doesn't sound very romantic of me. But once you learn more about the event, which I'll tell you guys all about tomorrow, I'm not in the business of telling people where I'm going and when, I will, you'll understand me more tomorrow. Tune in tomorrow. And do you guys do presents on your anniversary?

Well, I don't do presents, period. Like, I don't buy presents for Ben. And I just know, maybe, how old is he? 30, how old are you? He's 34. Ben's older than you? His birthday's before mine.

He's born in April. Oh, you're November, right? You haven't turned 34 yet. Okay, so Ben's 34. And so I don't buy Ben presents. It's just not in my nature. Because, like, what can you get for a guy? Like, all they really want is a watch.

And so I know that maybe in an upcoming, maybe our 10-year anniversary, or maybe his 35th or 40th birthday, I will be on the hook for an enormous watch. And it will be an accumulation of gifts from Valentine's Day anniversary's birthdays that I literally have not gotten him a gift for in the last 10 years.

So I'm starting to save for that. is he getting you a gift for your anniversary? And then Ben is the total opposite. Like gift giving is his love language. He does not stop buying me gifts. I'm literally begging him. I'm like, stop. I don't need more.

And I'm sure I have a gift coming my way. I told him to spend no more than $300. And he like laughed in my face. So I know this is like a monocious problem to have. But it does. Like I don't need presents. And I don't want, like when I want something,

I'll let you know. But until then, like don't waste your money on me. And on silly number nine. There's nothing that you're pining for in the world. just like a breast reduction and like things he can't give me currently things he can't give me yet i understand i understand the things i want most in this world can only be given to me by the lord yeah you know yeah or by like by yourself you know or by time yeah like i at this present stage in my life like my deepest desires are not material and they were at one point for many years and you know

I think they will be again one day. Hopefully. Of course. Hopefully. I agree. I'm in the same spot. We don't do presents. Like I,

but I still love my material things. But it's not like how it used to be, which is good because there are other things that I love more. You know, like I like my saturation sneakers and I love my prodig backpack. I think it's a sign of maturity. Like I used to put so much emphasis on material items and I would literally like value how much Ben loves me based on the gift that he got.

So obviously I created a monster and now like he can't stop. He's like on the same. Hamster wheel at Chanel. And now I'm like, you know what, material items mean, I'm like Shailene Woodley. I'm like getting rid of all my earthly possessions. Yeah, but I feel like when you're early in your relationship and when you're young, there's only like so many ways for someone to like show you their love in a way that you want to receive. Like he could have cooked you an amazing dinner, but like that wouldn't feel like love to you, you know? If Ben early in our relationship cooked me an amazing dinner, which he did like all the time, but not for special occasions.

I probably would have broken up with him. I was seriously like so shallow. Oh yeah. If he thought I was like, this is your gift? Right. But now like, I mean, he cooks, it's different because he cooks for you all the time.

No, but if he made like a special meal, I would say this is so sweet. Right, right. Maturity. Maturity. Oh, that's funny. A. And that's on being mature.

He knows what I really want. Which is a Paris spigette. I'm never going to let that joke go. Like it's insane. sane. And you know, I guess they're like the official long-term sponsor of the Dancing with the Stars podcast, which is why it keeps coming up. It came up on last night's episode too. Is the Dancing

With the Stars podcast that storied and long-running? I think that it has wide reach. I don't think it's long-running. I think it's kind of new. Oh, okay. Okay. But it seems like it's, you know, I don't know Paris Spaghetti was in the podcast sponsorship business. As a podcaster, obviously I find

that information extremely interesting. And Paris Spaghetti is Korean, I heard. from the comments. You're kidding. I knew it wasn't Parisian. I just figured it was like Tulson, you know, like really American. Yeah. Interesting. The more you know.

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hopefully. Not today, though. Not today. Thank you to all of our sponsors, of course. Yeah. Always a good time to thank our sponsors. You know? It is. It's never a bad time. We actually have very good stories today, plus dancing with the stars recap. What are the stories? I'm like blanking. It was actually really hard to like whittle down. Just like sort of like random stuff. I'm sorry, I did get a gift. I don't know why I literally forgot. Because that's what I did yesterday. Ben got me a massage at like a very fancy spa.

Great. How was it? It was nice. She hated it. No, no, no, no. She hated every minute. The massage itself was great, which is genuinely all that matters. But of course, when I go to a spa, I get all my money's worth.

I go early and use the facilities. Yeah. The facilities were not up to par. To me, I judge a spa based on its relaxation room. Like if you get there, I like to get there early, of course, like shower, a steam sanna. Well, I don't sanna. I like to steam. And then like get all cozy in a robe and lay on like a beautiful divan while I wait for my therapist to come pick me up in the relaxation room. They usually call it. So I judge a facility based on its relaxation room. Let me tell you there was

nothing relaxing about this room. It was insane. First of all, there was four chairs. Like just not enough. It's a waiting room then. It's not a relaxation room. And they had like beach lounge chairs. Okay. Without a cushion. So you were just sitting on hard plastic. They don't want you to be comfortable. They don't want you to spend your day there. That's the whole point of a spot. Like I'm sorry, the price of a massage is insane. Like, I'm paying for a day pass to use the amenities. No, I'm just telling you, like, if they wanted

you, they would. If they wanted you, they would. And if they wanted you to be cozy, they would put out the comfy cushions. Yeah, there was no cushions. A thousand percent. It was like hard as fuck. My toxicity, it was really flaring up. I need a relaxation room to have like a little bit of a yogurt almond.

Yeah, okay. So they did have snacks. Of course, like a water with like, mint julep, which actually the water, the water was delicious. I do need fruit water. They had a bowl of apples. Not even like sliced or anything. It's just like a lot to like chow down on an apple. Are they washed?

I had no information on where the apples had been. And then various like nuts, dried fruits, a classic spa fair. Nothing inspired. Nuts and dried fruits are acceptable. Not exciting. But again, they don't want you chowing down. See, I didn't like the, I could feel the hostility in the facility. Yeah.

And that's- I can feel it here. I could tell you what their motives were, which was to get rid of you. A thousand percent. So I'm sorry. So you wouldn't go back to that spot. But the rub down, I would. The rub down was really good.

So some places, like, are just about, like, a great massage. And, like, it's not about the bells and whistles. Yeah, bells and whistles were not chiming for me yesterday. Unlike Tracy Turnblatt, I could not hear the bells. I can't. Hear them shine. Just hear them chiming. Actually, you know what?

Something I didn't realize as I entered motherhood was that like I would be singing the Harrispace soundtrack almost daily. I sing. Is that your go-to? Nicest kids in town and good morning Baltimore. Pretty much like every bath time. That's so cute. So those are your go-toes.

Yeah, you don't realize like what you're going to end up singing. If you had told me that it would be. Actually, I probably could have guessed. I could have guessed for you. But if you told me it would be like, Elvis Presley. I'd be like, what? It's just so funny where the wind takes you.

And I really have to thank Austin Butler for that. Like, because that movie Elvis came out when my first son, Harry, was a baby. And then I just like really started like in that song, Can't Help Falling in Love. And now it's my lullaby for all three babes for four years now. And if Austin Butler didn't do that movie, like that would not be the case. Isn't that crazy? It is. And let's talk about Austin Butler doing that movie.

Austin, yes. and how it kind of like, in my opinion, ruined his career. He didn't have a career before, so. He didn't have one after either. It just sort of kept things. It went like this. Yeah, right. And then back down.

Like, it's a spike. Like, it never happened. But other people say, Dune and he's in this and he's not. I'm sorry, nobody on the planet is ever going to convince me that Dune is a successful franchise. And I know, like, you could show me figures. You could show me to get sales. You know that it is, but it's not.

It's giving like bots. You know, like only bots have been to the theaters. Oh, no, I disagree, but I understand where you're coming from. I understand. Shout up to the comments. Like, have you ever watched Dune? I just don't believe. And maybe it's because I don't know if in my life I've ever come in contact with somebody

who has watched Dune. I think my husband has. I think he. Really? Yeah. I'll have to chat with him then. Yeah, but you know he'll go see anything. He loves the movie theater.

So, like, honestly, his bar is kind of low. But it doesn't mean, like, but so he did still see it. Zach's criteria for seeing a movie is like, is it in theaters? He does not watch things that are straight to DVD. Like he just wants to go to the theater. No, and I think sometimes he watches movies. Like, remember we caught them watching Deadpool? We did?

I like, we caught them watching porn. No, because remember I told you like years ago that my husband is always watching Deadpool, like weirdly. Well, if Ryan Reynolds has no fans, like your husband died. I know what it is. Like, anytime it's on TV, like if he's stuck, on a channel that's playing Deadpool, like he will always watch it. I guess like it's his version of like legally blonde.

We would never skip over legally blonde. It is. And so I was trying to tell you this a few years ago. And it came up a couple times. And I wasn't in a place where I could listen. And it came up a couple times like over the course of the show. I think we were even in the Hamptons like two summers ago. And then in the course of those conversations that those few weeks, we walked in.

On them watching Deadpool with your husband too. That's seriously funny. We caught them. We caught them. Red-handed. No, I feel like husbands love Deadpool because obviously like Ryan Reynolds, Blake lily's like their reputations have been like deeply tarnished in the last year or two. And I don't think it's affected the husbands.

Like they still love and ride at dawn for Ryan Reynolds. It's nothing Deadpool can't fix. It's so true. What is Deadpool? I only know what's like the character they made off of Ryan Baldoni? Yeah, like something pool. Yeah, like Fempool. Like he's like a fake feminist or whatever.

name i forget that was funny sorry that was that was like a funny time yeah which part uh just that part no like the deadpool part or like the blake lively ryan rey no just the part where they made like a character of jess and balk doni that was like you know yeah i enjoyed that like woke pool woke pool what was his name okay what was it nice pool that's not like such a good no that's good That's really good. That's really good. Nice, cool. What'd you have for dinner last night?

A little Brandino. Oh my God. Did you go out or you didn't make Branzino at home? We had at home. Wow, you desecrated your new home by cooking fish in it. The M. Hoppers is really getting to you. The home is meant to be lived in. I don't know.

Fish isn't out of home type of thing. No, we have fish a lot because we have a lot. lot of salmon. So we're not like anti-fish. Salmon is especially actually, actually I think like cooking brezina. Ben cooks like a dover's soul. Cooking a white fish in your house, I believe is safe, as long as you get it from, as Ben calls it, a good fishmonger. Also, I cook fish. Salmon is particularly. I cook fish in the oven, not on the stove. So it's not as aromatic. But that's not why I do it. You know, I just like don't like to cook on the stove if I don't have to. So it's when I cook salmon, it's like not a big deal. It's not like, it's not like,

That's crazy. It's not life ruining. Oh, I think I would have to move. Like salmon seeps into your curtains. And I also, I can't like go another minute, like being inauthentic. I didn't cook it. I brought it in. Oh, my God.

That was like low-key deceptive of you. I love that. It was, but you know what? I'm not a deceitful person. So I had to come clean. So you ordered takeout and the takeout that you got was Branzino. Branzino and salmon, yes. Yeah, I feel like Brenzino is, unless you're like a true world renowned chef,

it's not something you can whip up at home, even like a good home chef. No, but also it's bones. Yeah, of course. But I do cook salmon at home, but I did not last night. I just like, I don't know why I couldn't just take the win, you know? You could have just owned that. No, I couldn't just like let you guys think. Like, oh, she makes Branzino at home.

Well, this is our fatal flaw. Like, we are far too honest with our audience. Like it's, it leaves us feeling like, you know, raw and, but it's all for the sake of content. It's just who we are though, you know? It's true. Yeah, I guess I've never realized it before, but I am like a chronic oversharer.

I don't know if like I was born that way or it's a byproduct of sharing for a living. And like the better this show is, the more I share, the more I share the more I share the more I share the more I feel rewarded when I share. So I know that I've seen it now impact my personal life. I'll be at a party or like I'll play mahjong with someone new. And I'm just like telling them so much shit about myself.

And I'm like, girl, shut up. Yeah. Oh, I was going to ask if you meant like online or offline that you're an oversharing. You think offline you're an oversharer. Yeah, I do. I have found myself being like, I need to, like, keep my, like, my shit a little closer to the best.

Yeah. But that's what makes turdy, turdy, and that's why everybody loves you. I'm very easily readable. Like, if we go somewhere and we meet someone new, like, you will know by the time we get in the car, you'll be like, oh, you hated that person or you liked that person. That's true.

But I also know. I mean, that's just because you know me, but. I find that, like, I maybe don't, like, I think that a lot of people can read me like that. I don't think. so. No, you don't think. No.

I think everybody's scared of you. Oh, this fucking fake-ass narrative. I'm literally so generous and kind and charitable. It's insane. And we're so scared of your generosity, kindness, and charitable nature. I just want to say something speaking of charity. Yeah, I'm so charitable, it should shake you. It's your core.

Shaking in her boots. I want to make a major shout out because there's no point in doing charity if you don't get credit for it. That's actually quite the opposite. But go on. I want to give a major shout out. your shout out to Shannon Ford. So I was on my, you guys know, I'm on the board of the Mark Shonewetter Holocaust Education Foundation. And it's end of the year, which is like a huge time

for fundraising for us. And we were looking for people to match donations. So like, you know, wealthy people to like help, you know, if we raise $10,000, Mark Bloomberg will match it or whatever. I haven't heard from Mark Bloomberg. So I, of course, you know, went to work, texting a couple of people instantly, Shannon Ford, $5,000. Queen. She's a queen for that. Queen. So if anybody else is a wealthy individual and wants to help with the fundraising efforts, please wealthy individuals reach out to me for this and I have a couple other things I need to talk to you about. I love that.

I also didn't even tell you like one of the highlights of my day yesterday. The highlights of your day. I wasn't chatting with me in the morning. Oh, of course. So I said one of amongst that. I played mage on an automatic shuffling table. What? Yeah.

How did you not shoot? We've been recording for 18 minutes. I meant to tell you yesterday. I took a picture of the table. I was like, because we were talking about like... Oh my God, you didn't send me a picture. Just because when we were just talking about like sharing with new people, I was like playing with new friends. And I was like, oh, I had to take a picture for my sister, Claudia.

And then you didn't even send it to me, you fucking bitch. I played on an automatic shuffling table. Yes. Ask me anything. Okay. I was under the impression that the automatic shuffling tables were only made for mahjong tiles, the size of Hong Kong mahjong, which is not the version we play. that's like Chinese mahjong.

You found a table that was for regular size tiles. I was under our size. I was on the same impression too. And yes, they were, they almost looked like, oh, my mage tiles, but the faces were like the same as those Amazon faces. And they were the size that we were used to.

I was shocked to see. And do you feel like you played so many more games because the setup was so quick? Yes, I would say we played five games in one hour. Oh, that's a lot. Yeah. That is a lot, a lot.

It was really amazing. But it makes you super lazy. It makes you super lazy because then it's like, you feel like, oh, we still have to deal. Like you get really lazy. L.

Oh, that's funny. That's really funny. Okay, wait. And did you find, because you had said that like you were a little hesitant to do an automatic shuffling table

because you find the shuffling while laborious and annoying. It's kind of the only time you don't have to focus so much and you can chat, catch up, and then the game starts and you kind of go quiet.

Did you feel like you didn't get to catch up with your, with your mage crew yesterday because you didn't have time to shuffle? There was definitely plenty of catching up. Whether or not I got enough brain off time versus brain on, it was definitely an adjustment for me, but worth it, well worth it. Wow. Do we need to invest in a table?

Especially because when everybody's like shuffling and, you know, racking, other people get up and go to the bathroom. We're going to snack. And so it's not. It's not really like the big group catch up that I think it is. Do we need to get one? like, yeah, maybe. Yeah.

I'm putting a mage table in my house that's already ordered and was like custom. So, um. That's so annoying. I'm getting it. And it's like cuter. I mean, the table, you don't get that parcheditude with the automatic chuggler. Yeah, it's not like gorgeous. It's not gorgeous.

It looks like you're running a casino in your house. Right, like a poker table. The thing is like we're always playing mahjong in a rush because like we're either have like a two hour window for naps or like some kids about to be home. Like, or it's late and we want to go to sleep. So if we could play more games, like, and if we could sort of. increase our efficacy and our output, I think it might be worth the investment.

Yeah, I wonder how much it is. I didn't want to be uncouth. Actually, I didn't even think to ask, but even if I thought of it. I'll be uncouth. Even if I thought of it, I don't think I would have asked. How much is an automatic shuffling mahjong table?

All right, they obviously vary. Wayfair has one for $720, but I don't think you would like it. Okay. This one, which looks like a casino table, is $2,000. Oh, Wayfair has one. I think it also comes with four chairs for $5,000. You could go small or big.

Okay. I wonder, like, hers was really good because it fit those size tiles that we like. Yes, so I think a lot of these are also Hong Kong size, which doesn't work for us. Yes. Interesting. Yeah, I'm seeing lots of varying costs. Okay. Well, maybe she'll hear this and just, like, text me the press.

Send me a link. So I don't have to ask. Maybe she has an extra one in the garage. So I don't have to ask. Yeah, right. Okay, I mean, we do have like a lot to do today. Yeah. And I feel that I've gotten off my chest, everything I wanted to get off my chest.

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You're welcome. Our first story, Olivia Jade pokes fun at the college admission scandal with a cheeky new reformation campaign. So Reformation just launched its new preppy fall campaign. and it features Olivia Jade in collegiate wear. So she is wearing a sweatshirt that says college. Just says college. They captioned it, the kind of crew that suits her better.

And crew is also what she was, the sport that she was like fake on the team for. Now, I just want to say, I am thrilled and relieved, like, as a culture we've got, because I haven't seen a lot of backlash to this. Like, I am thrilled that we've gotten to a place where we've got into a place where we and all like sort of collectively just like shrug at the college admission scandal. Because at the time like every conversation about like privilege and wealth was sort of like pinned on Lori Loughlin and her daughters. And I think that that was probably difficult for them.

And in hindsight like seriously who gives a fuck? Like who gives a fuck? Yeah. Yeah. And so I'm glad we're all like poking fun at it now because at the time it was so serious. Like for what? It was. But they they did the crime.

And they serve the time, which is like insane for what they did, the fact that like people went to jail for it. We can't even send Lindsay Clancy to jail, okay? Right. But Lori Lachlan's getting locked up abroad. So I think like it was more than time served in terms of making things right. 100%. And she, Olivia Jade has really successfully relaunched her career, obviously like dating notable

people, launching her own makeup brand, going back to YouTube. but she's never really ever outside of Red Table Talk, which was like genuinely an iconic moment you had to be there. She's never talked about it again. So this is the first time she's sort of referencing it. And I like L-O-V-E love. Olivia Jade could like really not do anything to make me dislike her. I just love her.

Yeah, it's true. And then they said they're going to be donating 100% of net proceeds from the style. So I guess from like one of these pieces to yes, scholars, a nonprofit that helps expand higher education access for students from under-resource communities. because I guess you can't like just make fun of this scandal and not like and not do anything about that. Oh, but you also just like can't make a donation to underprivileged communities without like, you know, starting stuff, you know? Yeah, without also like earning the money first. Profiting off of it. Yeah, right. It's so lame.

But that's always the thing with like percentage of proceeds. It's like, well, you could make a donation, but this works too. Like, you know. No, no, I have no problem with this. They're getting ahead of any support of potential backlash because ultimately it benefits underserved communities, which is great. And I just love this. What's funny is, like, I saw this picture going around, and I was like, why do people care? It didn't initially sort of hit me that she's wearing a sweatshirt that says college

and she's, like, the college admissions girl. Because I do feel like she's really successfully, like, beaten the allegations and, like, moved on with her life. And, like, so much time has passed. It's been six years. She did Jacob Allorty. Like, so much has happened. Yeah.

I think everyone just really moved on for it. It's crazy the way that we have amnesia about things when, like, something was, like, the biggest deal the biggest story in the world and then you forget. That's always how it happens. That's really why they say like time heals all wounds. It's true.

You just need time. Like I just remember that like month where at the college and like you couldn't speak on it without like seriously everyone coming for you. It was such a fucking sensitive issue. Oh was it? Talking about like education in this country and privilege and wealth and access. Like it was so hot button. Oh my God.

And now we're making fun of it. Like seriously. Thank you. God. But then there's also just be careful because then there's also people who do something once six years ago, 10 years ago, and we'll never forget it. You know? It's true. Time doesn't heal always. So I don't know what to tell you. It's circumstantial. It is. But just no, like, things can be forgotten. I don't know. I feel like me and Sam Hunt is like really proof that maybe some wounds take longer to heal. But like eventually, yeah, like I did get over Sam Hunt's

D-U-I. A couple of good songs, hell. No, but we're still talking about it. That's different than like forgetting. Because like literally every time we talk about him, we mention it. Yeah, but we mention it because we're saying we're over it. And like when we talk about Olivia, J, we don't even mention it because we don't even think about it. It's true. It's true.

Jackie actually sent me as such an interesting blind item. Yeah, we dabble in blind item culture. I did send you. What was it? Oh, yes. It was about Kelly Clarkson. Oh, yeah. I'm glad you're bringing this up.

So let me read it to you. To her credit, this is. This is from N-T, the original blind. This singer turned talk show host, turned singer, aka Kelly Clarkson, probably could have gotten the headliner slot, but was willing to let the legend have it for the desert festival. She's getting paid the same as him, though. So that people assume is Kelly Clarkson and Garth Brooks.

She is playing the night before him. I just want to be clear. I had no issue with her with her being before Garth Brooks. It's like, why couldn't she have been, like, she didn't need to be on Sunday is what I'm saying. She could have been Friday or Saturday. She should have been above Riley Green or. Zach Top.

I had no problem with Garth Brooks, I just want to say. But yes, I could see that definitely being the truth. Yeah, I feel like it was her choice. I don't think there was a snub in there is all I'm saying. And so far it doesn't sound like it. What's gotten Kelly so far in this industry is like she doesn't get bogged down by like these sort of ego-driven like stats and vanity things. Like she's playing stage coach.

Everyone's going to show up for her. There'll probably be just as many people there for Kelly as for Garth. Like everyone's just going to come for both. She gets paid and she gets to go home early. Like, woohoo. Yeah. I think she's just focused on the paycheck. Yeah.

She would take it at any time. Because it's like, true. Who cares what time you perform? Yeah. And she's also like slowly getting back into live performing. She's obviously been doing Kelly Okee and stuff. That's a small studio audience. Stage coach can be 100,000 people.

So you know what? Maybe take it slow. Like, do I have to go? You think Kelly's going to go on tour. The thing is I obviously thought about that as well. Should we be going? I think about it every year with stage coach. And I'm just like waiting.

for this undeniable lineup that will make me go like Luke Holmes, Roscoe Flats and Kelly Clarkson. Yeah, I don't think about it every year because I've sort of made peace with the fact that I'm not in my, there were years where every year was like, yes, of course I'm going to stagecoach. And I'm not in that error right now. And there have been great lineups that I've missed and I've been okay with. The only reason I thought maybe this year, like we could like seriously just pack everyone up and go is because of Kelly. But I do think this is not going to be our only opportunity to see Kelly now that the

Kelly Clarkson show is over. Yeah, I agree. So I feel confident that like she will be coming to a city near us. Yeah. No, and if the rest of the festival like we're more compelling for me, I would have made a trip potentially because like we can go on a trip. We could want a trip.

Of course. There's stuff to do in Palm Springs. Well, I go on a trip. Of course we travel. But alas, no. Alas, no. The rest of the lineup wasn't compelling enough. Yeah.

To even think about it. For me. For me. But not for you. I don't know. Florida Georgia line. Oh, for you? So what is the lineup, like the three headliners?

Riley Green. That would get you. No, oh, whoa. That would get you to like seriously pack everything up and go. Rascal Flats. I'm going to not say Kelly Clarkson because I didn't even know she was an option up until this point. I know because she's like, she is country in some ways, but not in others. Yeah.

Rascal Flats, Luke Combs, like not to be basic, but like Morgan Wallen. Yeah. Me too. Me too. Same. Yeah. With like, I don't know, maybe Cody Johnson is like right before Luke Holmes. Ella Langley.

Yeah, I like Ella Langley. But like, I'm, I'm not like on the, on the train, you know? I am. Like, I've, in the last couple of weeks, almost two times, almost two times, like, Margot almost convinced me to go to Philadelphia over the summer. Like, I almost went. And then, like, two weeks ago, she was playing, like, deep in New Jersey. Margaret was like, should we go?

And I thought about it. I didn't, but I thought about it. Yeah. If she comes to New York City, which, like, being a country fan in New York City is genuinely like one of the worst experiences ever. Nobody comes here. And if they do, it's like two, maybe three hours in Connecticut or New Jersey. Nobody comes to the garden or let alone MetLife.

Like, literally nobody. No, it's either PNC Bank or Jones Beach. Also, honorable mention Lady A I would show up for. I would as well. I could swap out Morgan Wall and for Lady A. Because you can always see Morgan Wall and he's like, you know, young and touring. Yeah, yeah. I go find him somewhere.

Yeah. What was the story? Olivia J. Of course it was. Just I like to see people sort of unabashedly like not giving a fuck. Yes. And brands as well. This is good for reformation.

Yeah. I have like a little bit of respect for reformation. Brands are so afraid to like even embroil themselves in something remotely controversial. I know. Because people will like stand outside their store and like throw rocks through the window. So you know what? Like I love this. Yeah.

Are you ready for our next story? Which is really crazy. Really? Actually, yeah. Yeah, I cuss a little. Travis Kelsey has been named as a victim in a multi-million dollar fraud scheme by prosecutors. This is really great. Travis Kelsey has been taken for a ride.

He's been named as a victim in a fraud scheme by prosecutors in a Missouri court, according to reports. On Tuesday, September 15th, Sidarth Jawar was sentenced to 11 years in prison. And we were just talking about Sid Arthur, like yesterday. It's true. attorney's office Eastern District of Missouri. Siddarth pleaded guilty to three counts of wire fraud in January and has been ordered to pay more than $31 million in restitution to his victims after running a Ponzi scheme, the release noted.

According to outlets, Travis Kelsey was only briefly mentioned in court and prosecutors did not expand on his connection to the case. However, a Forbes article published in 2021 states that Kelsey was an investor in the Swiftark Venture Labs Fund, created by Swiftark Capital LLC, an investment company co-finding founded by Siddarth. Siddharth ran the investment company, Swift Dark Capital LLC, and began investing clients funds in a single investment,

Philip Morris, Pakistan in 2015, per the press release. However, when the value of the investment declined, he didn't tell the investors, instead claiming they were making profits, and of course, took Peter's money to pay Paul. And that's how you get yourself in a Ponzi scheme.

Yeah, I feel that the headlines around this were kind of misleading. It made it seem like Travis himself lost $31 million to this random guy. I don't say wanting you to think that. How stupid are you? Okay, but they'd want you to think that because they want you to click. Yeah, and it turns out like he's involved in, I think, like, a random way. In the same way that, like, I think when you're a celebrity or just a very wealthy person, like these random opportunities come to you and like you take one, you give a little money here,

a little money there. So I feel like that's what happened between Travis and Sidarth. Yeah, that he's just like one of many complainants. You know, it kind of sounds like Brandon Fitzpatrick of Rich Kids of Beverly Hills fame. Are you following that saga? Like a little bit. he like sort of swindled investors. He raised like $80 million telling people that he like solved like seriously the energy crisis in like Nepal or something.

And of course there was no solve. He didn't. And he's like out. And I think his investors are suing him. That's what it is. Yeah. Give us our money back. We went through that story.

We tried to get our heads around it. Yeah. And we couldn't. This seems pretty like textbook pondes. scheme. Right. American greed. I look forward to the episode on Sidarth. Explaining the whole thing. Yeah, though I get it. For a while I didn't understand Ponzi scene because I was like, where's the money going? Like when Bertie Madoff loses hundreds of million dollars, I'm like, you can't even spend hundreds of million dollars. So like,

even though he has, you know, a house and a boat and this and that, like, where's the money? Yeah, I think that like very, very rarely a Ponzi scheme like actually works out fine. Because like at its core at the beginning, you just need to borrow money from this account because this account, like I fucked up and I need, but once that money comes back, I'll pay the other guy back. Sometimes the money comes back and like, you're good. I would love to hear from someone who almost entered into an unsuccessful Ponzi scheme, but the shipwrighted itself. The issue is like the original core issue, like that money never comes back.

So you just end up stealing from everybody else to cover where you just stole from. But there's always going to be that chunk missing. And that's where the cycle begins. And also because you lost that initial money, like you're probably bad at business and you're going to lose more money. And you're a thief and cheaters never prosper and you're just going to keep losing money. Like it's not like that was a one off of money loss for you. Yeah. Taking from a different account to like cover another account is just like genuinely bad decision making.

And so I can't really trust that you're going to fix this. And don't forget like you lost that money to begin with. Why did you lose that money? Because you made a poor decision in business because you're not smart. But there are definitely people. walking around who like almost yeah i'd love to i mean i know they'll never tell us because like they committed a crime and they're just happy they got away with it and that everything was okay but like yeah i would love to hear if like you started a ponzi scheme and like it worked out for you and like you

just really needed to borrow money temporarily just to get by yeah don't do it this is seriously my worst nightmare which part like i think it happens a lot where like you this not that Travis being Travis is your worst nightmare Like being strad. Elvis, Elvis. Being stolen from? By like people close to you, Dane Cook famously.

I think it was like his brother or someone. Like literally stole $100 million from him. Like, okay, so that's different. Yeah, that's my worst nightmare. Like having my money stolen. Yeah. I think it's like everyone's worst nightmare actually. I don't think I'm unique in that.

Being robbed is a nightmare. Yeah, right. No, but like obviously when you think of being robbed, you think like someone bringing into your house like with a gun. No, I'm talking about like transfers, withdrawals. Like, Yeah, especially by people you trust. It's a breach of trust. Right. Right. Yeah, I understand. Not being Cedarth is not being, that's not your nightmare. No. And for Travis, like I'm thrilled to learn that he probably didn't take a huge hit on this Pakistani venture.

I also stopped money to be like, they for sure have an ironclad a pre-up. Well, this would never happen to Taylor. Let's just say that. It's true. I don't know. Swift arc. Well, I thought that was. weird too. Hopefully, and I feel that this is probably the case, like the people who manage her money and stuff, like, are now managing their money. Yeah, he needs. He sort of went to her people. He needs to level up. But also, we would say, like, considering he's, like, the less moneyed one in the relationship, like, he needs to have, like, financial independence. And I wouldn't, I wouldn't recommend, if he were the woman in this situation, I wouldn't say, like, go use your husband's money managers. I wouldn't. No. How do you think they are sharing finances, if at all,

Or do you think they're totally just keeping everything separate? I think like, yeah, hers is hers and his is his. But I'm sure you saw they bought a house, it went viral, like in Kansas City. In Kansas City. That'll probably be like their primary residence.

Yeah. Who paid for that? I feel like he did. Because I think he did too. He, though he's not the primary earner, he wants to be like chivalrous and still have those responsibilities. And she would never be buying a house in Missouri if it wasn't for him. No, and it's kind of best case scenario for him because like the nicest house in Missouri is probably around like $6 million.

But it's like if he played if he played for the Giants or like the Rams, he would be on the hook for $100 million. They have to go split spill. Have seats. Not breakup. Sorry. Split the bills. Like I'm sure you've seen that I don't know if it's like a buzz fee whatever. It's like here's what a million dollars gets you in all 50 states.

And it's shocking. Yeah. Like literally shocking. In L.A. It gets you a double wide trailer. In like Michigan, it gets you. a palace. Yeah, like a home on the lake. Yeah, right. Damn. It's insane. Damn. So yeah, I also agree that he bought it. Okay. Cute. Yeah. Like he would spend, he would like spend his last dime on her and like that's

why he's a good guy. It's true. Yeah. But the thing is he would never have to. No, because like, thanks to her, he has lots of dimes. Yeah. Yeah. And she would like never let him. Like we forget that him and Jason and got like a $100 million podcast deal. Oh, right. In addition to being State Farm, Subway, Pfizer. His football contract, which is hefty too. He's like a TV show host. He hosted, he's fine.

Yeah, yeah, he is. Are you ready for our next story? What number? Three. Yeah. You're going to hate this. Secret Lives, Mom and Wives, Star, Taylor Frankie. Paul allegedly failed multiple drug tests,

and her custody time with her kids has been reduced to eight hours a week. And I believe that's four with the older two and four with the younger son with Dakota. Obviously, I hate this. Yeah, but it also answers some of our questions. And I did take a little heat for suggesting that maybe she was using drugs. People are like, Claudia, you really don't understand mental health. Now what?

So, yeah, a new report is alleging that the mom of three has failed multiple drug tests in recent weeks. And as a result, she has lost out on visitation time with her children. According to TMZ sources close to the custody case tell the outlet that Taylor failed the drug tests within the last 60 days and the courts have since ruled that she has now limited to just eight hours total a week with her three kids. She will now get four hours a week with the two kids she shares with her ex-husband, Tate Paul, and another four hours with her two-year-old son ever with Dakota. For the time being, the name of the alleged substances she tested positive for are unknown, with a source stating one of them is not readily available as a prescription medication. even more sources close to Taylor. What does that mean? Like street drugs.

Okay. Right? I actually thought... What's a street drug? Like, start naming drugs. Like something that you can't get out of pharmacy. Like, well, yeah, like heroin. Like not saying she did heroin.

Like cocaine. Yeah, right, right. Yes. Even more sources close to Taylor spoke to TMZ and they did not deny these new bombshell claims. Rather, they told the outlet they consider this leak continued harassment and intimidation due to the gag order issued in the custody case. I mean, like, at what point is like something your fault, you know?

Like, right. No, and also, like, perhaps this leak is intended to make her look bad because it obviously does. But that doesn't change the fact that she failed the test. Right. Like, we have to just work with those set of facts as well. And I actually feel sick about this, mostly as it pertains to ever. The older kids, like, are older. And I feel that they actually have a pretty stable home life with their dad.

And there's, like, some stability. in their life like yeah they have this crazy mom but like you know they have your kids need routine and they have each other too yeah ever i feel is just bounce between two crazy people like Taylor losing custody is terrible but like is it better that he's with dakota like i don't know who's worse in this situation i just like have hope based on nothing but just because it's like more palatable that he's spending a lot of time with like his grandma her mom yeah i thought the same because last season, she was always picking up ever from his grandma's house. And I was like, you know what?

Thank God for that. Yeah. And I mean, this is really hard to comment on because on the one hand, it's like you're doing drugs and you have children like you should not have custody of them. On the other hand, it's like children need to be with their mother. But like not if she's like this fucking basket case. No, 100%. But I'm sorry, like four hours a week with your children is nothing.

Is nothing. Like how do you how do you get to a plan? Like it's really hard because I don't want to sound like so judgmental. Judgmental, I know. But like what are you doing? Yeah. No, I don't think it's judgmental. I feel like she's been giving a lot of rope.

Like we're always giving her the benefit of the doubt because it does feel like she's in this toxic cycle. But like at what point like are you just like not being an active participant in your own life at the cost of your kids? Yeah. I feel that this is definitely what McKee. Kayla was referring to when she said she was like learning things. Because this isn't new information. It didn't happen yesterday. Like it just broke yesterday.

Yeah. And I do agree. Like that's not a show I want to be on. Yeah. Where we're doing drugs and losing custody of our kids. And like you know you have to take drug tests in order for like your custody agreement. And like the power of doing drugs is like more powerful than spending more than four hours with your child. No.

It's so crazy. And if you watch her on. social media like reality and Taylor's version are not seeing eye to eye like she's living this healing journey she has found Christ and she is celibate and she is this and she is that and she's rebuilding and she's healing and it's like well girl everything we hear about you is counterpoints to that yeah no and she spent the last few months like ever since the video broke like sort of posting I follow her but like I really scroll past because it's like not for me but I got the gist that like she's reconnected with her faith.

She's, you know, really healing and focusing and doing all this painful self-work to move forward. And the end result, we're going to see it soon. And she's a butterfly. And the whole time you've been doing drugs? And you're doing drugs? And like, what could she say? It's definitely more than marijuana.

But even still, if marijuana is going to stand between you and your children, don't smoke marijuana. Obviously. Or, like, ketamine. therapy they like to do that. Well, if you have a prescription for something and it comes up in a drug test, I feel that that doesn't count.

Like, you know what I mean? I don't think that's what we're talking about. No, this is not an oversight. Like, oh, my drugs from my therapy came up, like, that's not what happened. Yeah. I just, like, feel sick that ever is with Dakota. Like, he's no better.

And I do now feel even stronger, but is he also taking drug tests? I think so. That would is, you know, I had felt that, like, their relationship definitely mimicked like, you know, user type of behavior and that he was maybe like an enabler or like a dealer. That was just like totally theory, like, allocate, like no proof. But if he's also taken the drug tests and not failing them.

I don't know why I think he is, but I feel like the judge was like pretty harsh on both of them and would it like make Taylor. Oh my God. Speaking of judges, I saw the most upsetting video of the judge in the Beerman case. She wants to let him out under the rule. that he lives with his mother and no siblings are in the house. But it's like he was living with his mother this whole time. But that's not fair to his siblings.

No, of course. But like why is being under the same roof as your mom some sort of protective precaution? He's been living under the same roof as his mom the whole time. Right. But also like so your siblings get thrown out of the house because like you're a disgusting animal. Yeah.

I was shocked when I saw the judge saying that. I think the disgusting animal should be thrown out of the house. Should be, say where you are. Yeah. I was shocked. That's really weird. It was very bizarre. Like a repeat offender.

Yeah. That's like sort of like the exact case where they don't let you out. Like if your background matches up with your crime, like I feel like they keep you in there. But if you're otherwise like an upstanding citizen and you might be innocent or whatever, like they'll let you go home maybe with like an ankle monitor. Yeah. No, that's weird. It was really, really weird. Are you ready for our next story?

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Our next story, some tea was spilled. I think it was last night on Get Real, the Hulu show. Podcast. Podcast with Amanda Hirsch. So she had on Sophia Franklin and Taylor Strecker. And Sophia Franklin shared an interesting anecdote. Did you see this? I have no idea what you're talking about.

Okay. So Amanda asked her. So apparently Sophia told this story that like her maid of honor posted her speech from Sophia's wedding. Are you talking about the Alex Cooper comment? Yeah. Yeah, okay. I saw this clip on TikTok of Sophia sharing this on her podcast.

Okay. Her maid of honor posted her maid of honor speech at Sophia's wedding. And the maid of honor said she got like a notification that Alex Cooper commented. And then when she went to go see the comment, it wasn't there. So they were talking about it on the show last night. And Sophia suggested that actually Alex was probably trying to comment something like from her fake account and realized like it was her own account. Oh. Meanwhile, Amanda was like, maybe she wanted to leave a heart. But why would she want to leave a heart and then delete the heart?

Oh my God. Okay. So accusing someone of running a fake account is actually a huge allocation because like genuinely only crazy people do that. So we have to like really think about the options here. No, not only that. This at one point was a person who knew Alex Cooper very well. Like maybe they used to do this where they would like make accounts. So like maybe she does something we don't know. I think like how I would naively. of explain this is that like I mean Alex Cooper is a high profile TikToker and like a lot of videos go viral and like you leave comments I'm always like leaving comments on stuff like no one's no one sees me and I'm like hello this is so funny so maybe she thought it was like funny and sweet or whatever and then very quickly realized like who whose wedding she was making like it wasn't just like a random viral video okay is it is a video viral the made of honor speech that's a really good thought you think that's a good thought but I have to like know more and also who was the

native honor. Is it someone who like Alex would know is Sophia's best friend? Right. Or sister. Oh, I see this clip. I also just like that Sophia Franklin's at a place where she feels comfortable like talking about this. I think it's like years in the making. Yeah. And it's probably easier to like talk about your biggest op now that like so much of the internet feels that your side was like, you know, underrepresented and your story never got told. So it's easier when you like people have your back and you're not just like saying stuff because it used to be if she ever said anything about it she said something on the toe she was like about Alex Cooper she said that bitch shows me 30 million dollars like she said that and back then the sentiment was like very anti-sophia so

she would get like a lot of hate for that it must be a little bit more empowering now that you know people are going to support you when you say it yeah so what's the deal with the video I can't find it the maid of honor video oh here as promised my speech from sophia franklin wedding Jackie it has 10 likes okay and she said Sophia Franklin wedding She said Sophia Franklin. She tagged at Sophia Franklin At Sophia F podcast. Okay, so I think it's clear.

And who's the girls whose speech it is? Her name is Alex Franco and she actually looks so familiar in Sophia's content. Yes, that's who. I think it's her cousin. She's been with Sophia since day one.

Forever. Alex Cooper knows who that is. So I don't think it was like accidentally commenting on a viral video. Okay. Also, I want to say something that TikTok does. I know what happened.

Okay. it's actually so fucking in a way. I find myself always accidentally leaving emoji comments and reposting because I like to hold my finger down on the side of a video to play it in two times speed because like I just don't have the bandwidth. And these days, if you put your thumb down in the wrong place, like I'm going to do it right now. So Alex Franco, if you get a notification, it's me.

Okay. If you put your thumb down in the wrong place, yeah, it reposts and hearts it. Oh my God, I just repost it and hard in it. I need to unreposed. Okay. But what about a comment? Okay, so also if you put your thumb down near the comment, it puts an emoji.

I just put a laughing emoji. Oh, God. I think that's what happened. I'm deleting it. I agree with you. I think that's what happened. It's actually, and I need to bring it up.

Unto that feature, it's fucking annoying. Yeah, that's really crazy. That happens to me sometimes. You need to hold your thumb down on the top right. But I'm scrolling through Instagram stories sometimes. Like, if I press the wrong thing, it like wants to send a reaction emoji to someone.

Most of the time. I can stop it in time, but like once in a while it just shoots off. So now the bottom right of the screen, if you put your thumb near the comment or the like button instead of like above it, it will comment like or even repost. I think that's what happened. Yeah, for sure.

Mystery solved. Because it definitely wasn't a heart because she wouldn't have deleted that if she wrote it in the first place. Yeah. And the fake account while compelling. And I would like for that to be the case because that's more interesting

than just like a simple, you know, social media, mishap. And also, Alex Hooper's pregnant. She's just laying around all day on TikTok. Yeah, it's just like watching things. Oh, my ex-best friend's made of honor speech. I'm sad.

I would watch that. I'm sad. Are they going to mention me? Definitely. The book comes out like kind of soon. November? Month or two, yeah. It's not soon.

No, it's not. There's a lot to do before then. She has to get birth. Yeah, but I think she's a few weeks. Like, it's not any day. She was, I was watching her stories. And she said a few more weeks. Well, I was wondering if she was going to be at the wedding.

I meant to bring that up when I recapped on Monday because this wedding that I went to on Sunday night, the bride famously worked with both Alex Earl and Alex Cooper and was kind of there for the whole drama. And I had a sneaking suspicion that perhaps Alex Cooper had a falling out with her when she wasn't at Alex Cooper's wedding, which was like small but like not tiny and they were really close. So I have had a feeling that they weren't like on good terms since then. haven't worked together in a while. She wasn't at the wedding. Of course, being 30, I don't know how many weeks she is. In her third trimester.

You're not flying across the country. No, you're not. However, unless it's like a sister's wedding. You're not flying across the country. However, like if a close friend of yours gets married and you really can't be there, unfortunately, like you do post like most beautiful bride, like wish I could have been there. You know what I mean? And also to let everyone else know, hey, I was supposed to be in the music video.

Yeah, right. Because it was like very star-studded. And like, if you should have been there, that's exactly what you would do. Trust and belief. If I couldn't have made that wedding, I would have been posting, like, I can't believe I miss,

like the most amazing bride. Just because, like, obviously we care about the bride and the groom, but, like, it was also, like, a social thing. And you need to let everyone know that you were invited. Correct. So I think that's what would have happened. So I would agree that there's potentially bad blood.

Bad blood. Agreed. Are you ready for our fifth and final story to answer with the stars? Recap Night. As predicted, the females were, like, the stars. Um, yeah, the females are more interesting. They're the stars.

It was gorgeous. I enjoyed my night. But there was like a lot of bad dancing. Oh, no, of course. But I found this episode much more interesting. And it really made me realize that like, because if you would have told me that I would have ended up voting for Tatiana and Giaata, I would have been like what? There are so many different ways to dazzle me. And I feel like maybe at one point I used to like roll my eyes at the packages.

But I found myself like falling in love with people who I never even considered. because of like what they showed me in their package and I actually feel like spoiler alert part of the reason why Sarah Jane Nader went home because she was not the worst answer by any means she wasn't the best but she was at the bottom for sure but like she gave us nothing like no like real raw and like I felt that like Giata was so emotional

and like I could understand why she did this like at this point in her life because it is kind of random why would she I just feel like Sarah Jane like just kind of gave us like some like some stuff like she didn't give us anything no it was like very surface and then I think she thought that by dance like with a woman that would like differentiate her enough and keep her around. And even when she explained why she's like,

because I never saw that growing up. Like I don't know. It just, it wasn't giving like very hard. It wasn't compelling. Yes. No, the packages are everything to me. Yes. That's why the show is so interesting because it's like, it's not.

And some people, it's annoying when people are like, this isn't like pity with the stars. Like stop voting for any Richter. Like, he's not the best answer. But it's like, if it was always just the best dancer, then like, yes, Harry Shum, Junior will win, Jen and Duan will win. Then it's just dancing with the stars who have a background and dance. Agreed. I'm here for the emotional journey.

You can only win dancing with the stars if you are truly the best dancer who has a background in dance. It's so much more than that. It's multifaceted. You have to be on a journey. You have to open up. Relate to the audience. Improve as well.

Of course. It's not just about technical dance. I completely agree. That's why I think it's important that they do a combination of the judges' scores. and the online votes. I actually think the way they're running it is kind of amazing, except for what happened to Whitney Lovett. Oh, of course, because they, like, the fandom gets crazy.

Yeah, and they really voted her off when she didn't deserve to go home. Let's go through the performances in the order in which they happened. First up was Tatiana, who I voted for 10 times. I voted for her 10 times. I actually stepped out of my usual, like, protest of the voting system to make sure that she got every vote because she was not going home last night on my watch. She was not going to be the first person's at home. She was not going home on her son's birthday.

in front of her kids on my watch. And I felt oddly protective of her because I just don't feel that she has like a crazy cult following who's gonna like stand up and vote for her. So when she said that like she felt nervous, like the minute I fell in love with her, she was like, I don't know,

like I have my mom belly. Like I'm just getting back into this for the first time. I feel like my kids are grown enough where I can leave them for a period of time. And I was like, oh, queen with a mom belly. Tatiana, Tatiana, Tatiana, Tatiana. And her performance started out like pretty rough. Yeah, she missed like a whole section.

So that was also like, hard but then she really picked it up she like had fun she had energy and I was just like you're not going home tonight you cannot go home tonight I will sink into a depression agreed 100% like I felt protective of her I also think that yawn is like really coming into himself because we were very critical of him last season on his first season with Jen Affleck and it was fair that she was paired with a new it wasn't fair that she was paired with a new pro being postpartum but I feel that he's like very much immersed in like the dancing with the stars family now he choreographs a lot and I think he's doing a great job, but watching a lot of interviews with them.

I think they really, really like each other. And they have a good friendship, which is always a good basis for, like, a good relationship. Yeah, but it is crazy that the two eliminations were the two new pros. It just really goes to show you what at what a disadvantage you're at. It's true, except that I feel, like, I think there were a lot of legitimate reasons from, like, the dance community as to why, like, Adela failed Connor. I don't feel like Haley failed. I actually thought their dance was good.

Ben was loving it, Skater Boy, like the outfits, like, I actually think she choreographed a good dance, but Sarah's like lack of skill combined with like giving us nothing in a personal, emotional sense. I blame more Sarah than I do Connor. Yeah, I would say lack of skill, lack of emotion, and lack of fans. I don't think she has that many voting fans. That's the other thing because people have criticized this season's casting for not having enough stars.

And they point to Sarah, Jane, and Connor. Even though I don't really feel like that's fair. Conner Fibula. No, Conner. Levin. it saying Nepo husband, nepo husband, like that doesn't make you a star. I feel that he actually has a lot of fans. I think that an undiscussed element is Sarah J. Nader not being technically famous enough for

the show. So she's just at a disadvantage. Yeah, I would agree with that. But I think Connor was famous enough. I think there's a lot of like not super famous people on the cast. Like I could go through all this and tell, I didn't know who Tatiana Ali was like by her name. I didn't know who Ezra was. I didn't know who Ezra was.

I didn't really watch the Women Olympics, so I didn't know what Amher. Amber Glenn, but people do. I know fresh prints, but like, I wouldn't have, she's not super well known. And I wouldn't have thought that she would be my number one. Yeah, like there's a bunch of people on the male side who I barely know. Like, I think it's a lot of like semi-stars. So I don't think that's fair to like say about the two of them. Yeah.

You know. Next we have Olympian Amber Glenn with Pasha Pashkov. She's a figure skater. So, of course, she was at an advantage. And they did a great performance. Yeah, they did. again, like I didn't feel a lot because I think her package wasn't like terribly inspiring

or like this kind of gave me nothing to connect with her on but she was dancing good and that's important. Yeah, yeah, she did good. No, I have no strong feelings one way or the other. Right, exactly. Next we had Sierra Miller with Brandon Armstrong. Sierra really surprised me. Yeah.

I feel like and I actually think they're doing this this season which I appreciate is that they're not judging everyone equally. and they shouldn't be because if you are young and fit and able body, that is very different than someone who's, you know, like Guillermo, who admittedly like is here to lose weight. Like they're just, so I feel like based on her criteria, she underperformed. Yeah.

Now, was she the worst answer? No. But based on the fact that she's like a person who is young, who is fit, I was surprised at how stiff she was. Now, I think people underestimate how scary it is to actually do the dance, you could actually slay in the rehearsal room and go and do the worst job ever, especially the first time. Your nerves are showing, you're just thinking. Especially the first time. So I give her grace, but I do feel like the judges and also just like my thoughts on her in general

are a little bit harder, harsher, because she is this like, you know, she probably works out before this a couple times a week. Like a lot of people have to immerse themselves in just being active every single day. Like it's a huge change for them. So I feel like she gets judged on a curve almost because she is. Same with Mora. Yeah. No, but like given her, it was like not as good as I thought it was going to be. Agreed. And I think her package, maybe it was important because this is ABC. I don't think there's like a huge history of people from Bravo being on this show. They might not know like the whole West Wilson. So it was like a little repetitive to me. Yeah. It was crazy that we went there. They're like talking about Amanda Batula and dancing, that Westman of all and dancing with stars. But like yeah,

that is like a big part of her year going to be a big part of her. her journey. She's still clearly very, like, emotional about it, which is surprising. Yeah. I also think maybe, like, she leaned in a little bit to being emotional just because, like, you want a sort of connection point with people. And people can relate to that. I just feel like I've been on this journey for so long. And, like, she's so much better off without these two losers. Their lives are, like, literally, effectively over publicly. You're a queen. You're on love. So I'm like, I don't see her as a victim. I don't. Yeah. But I think they needed to sort of tell that story for people to get to know her.

which I understood, but to me just felt repetitive and kind of outdated. I'm like, but she's like hosting Love Island now. Yeah. No, it's like sort of the best thing that could have happened to her. Ariana Maddox. And like you get to quit this terrible guy, just like Ariana and Tom and you see who your friend really is. But it's been really hard for her.

And so that was like surprising. And I think Dancing with Stars means a lot to her. She had put out a statement before. And she has said like she hasn't really like talked about it and like shared how she's feeling and like through this journey she will. Yeah, I think she has a lot of potential. I loved what she was wearing. I think she'll get better.

And you have to give so much grace on night one. I imagine it's so scary. As long as you don't get eliminated, it's good to like start from a place where it can only go up. And because we want to see growth. And that's why people feel it's really unfair that they did eliminations week one because it's such like a baptism by fire.

But I kind of like it. Like let's get started. Yeah, I agree. I'm two minds. But we could have just eliminated four people next week. And like then everyone gets to dance twice. But I guess not. Yeah, I guess not.

Next we have Jada Dillarentus and Alan Burstyn. Again, not someone I was even, I actually texted you when we started watching and I was like, my predictions are that I think maybe Jada could go home because I can't see her doing so well. And I don't really think she has like a horde of online people texting to vote 10 times. But let me tell you, she won me the fuck over with her package. And not even so much her package, her Julianne Huff interview where she was just so overcome with pride. She reminded me of Elaine Hendricks last season, just being like an older woman being like, I did it. Like just that sense of accomplishment.

And that's who Alan had last season too. So he's the right guy for it. She did good. She was cracking me up, like with the leg and the whisking. Like it was funny. Yeah. And Elaine did amazing too.

And I thought her dance like looked really good. A lot of the dances, I don't, scores, not scores. Like some of them just looked really bad. Visually. They were just like,

it was a little bit painful. That's why even at the end, I know Derek Huff is like a crazy person and you were probably dying from his like big. I was dying at his solo performance. Solar performance. But it was nice to see like, what ballroom looks like at its best because we watched a lot of bad dancing the last two days.

Yes, I think that the women performed worse than the men. But I also, like I said yesterday, I think it's easier for a man to get away with looking fine. Yeah, because like you just have girls dancing around them. So shout out to Derek Huff, like for reminding us like what this could be. I also think last night I really was feeling like how important your partner is because I think that Allen is a great partner. Yeah. And he really made her.

And obviously Mark Ballas, I think ever. I'm just going to skip to Moran and Mark to talk about the importance of partnership because, like, Mora did amazing. I think she's surprised everyone. I don't know why we all assumed she'd be like an awkward dancer. Because she said herself, like, she's not very physical. She said, like, I can't, she's listening to music and she's like, I can't find the beat. And that's what we're always saying.

Like, if you have no rhythm, you are at such a disadvantage. Was that Mora? I thought that was Giata. I think that was Mora. No, I didn't think. You know, I texted you. I was like, oh, no, she can't find. the beat. Hold on. Let me find it. Because I think that Mark Ballast gets a lot of shit for like having

easy partners. Like obviously Whitney. And so Charlie DeMilio, yeah, I think he probably has had a lot of easy partners. And I think people assumed Mora, who's again like a Sierra Miller, young, fit. I think people thought like he got a layup. But watching her was like, oh, she stinks. Like she's going to be so bad. And I think that her performance, which was brilliant, was a testament to to her partner. I think it was really a mix of both. I think she's a much better dancer than anyone would have thought.

But I also think... It was Giata. She said she has no rhythm. Okay. So I think Mora just like naturally is a better dancer than people thought. And also Mark choreographed her in a way that enhanced all of her positives.

And like just... Jackie, she had a better score than Jenna Dewan. She deserved it. She was amazing. And also like Jenna DeWan, yeah, if we're graded on a curb, like you should be getting tens. Like because you're a professional dance.

rated on a curve. Yeah. I just want to say. You're a professional dancer, but like, Morra, I mean, maybe she's just like the type who wants people to underestimate her. But, like, we even saw her on traders. Like, she couldn't even, like, run.

Like, she was saying her backer. Uncoordinated. She's not very physical. She seems uncoordinated and that she would be, like, sort of, like, awkward. Yeah, like, kind of what we thought Alex Earl was going to be. Yes. And then she wasn't.

And then she wasn't. And Mora wasn't. But also, Mark made it the best it could have possibly been. So, like, yes, you're part. Like if Mark had been with Sarah J. Nader, she would not have gone home last night. 1,000%. Yeah. No, Mora was so surprising to me.

She was so elegant. And a lot of the people, and I think this comes over time, their faces are like so focused. They look like they're pooping. Like, she was smiling and like really, she aced it. Yeah. Then Julia Stiles with Ezra Sosa. Oh, I just about died at Andy Cohen's call out. Did you see Andy's response?

So it's funny because I was wondering if he was going to respond. Watched Happens Live is almost like never filmed live these days, but it was last night. And so he made himself the jackhole. And he apologized. And he says, I'm no one to talk about dancing. And they played this hilarious video that somebody had taken like a couple of years ago of Andy dancing at a Grateful Dead concert. And like legitimately, you've never seen somebody dancing worse in your whole life.

It was hysterical. It was very self-deprecating. He apologized. He was like, I'm an idiot. It was honestly an amazing way to handle it because he made me laugh. and I was like, you know what? Whatever. But it's funny what sticks with you.

It is funny. She did great. She will really be like one to watch because she has a good story. She's another one like Giata who's like this isn't super easy for her right now. But she's working hard. She did great.

And she also has a great partner. Yeah. Yeah. Very good. You could tell when like the partner's like excited about who they got. Yeah. And I think like Ezra's like in heaven. Yeah.

No, that's really fun for them. Yeah. And then Sarah J. Nader with Haley Bills, dancing to skater boy are same-sex queens. Yeah, I felt that during the final three, like, elimination, like it wasn't even a question that Sarah Jane Nader was going home. Whereas, like, with Connor Levitt, I forget who else was in the, it was Connor W.

And someone else. I was like, I feel like maybe it could be one of the other. With Sarah Jane, I was like, it's not going to be, uh, Tatiana. And it wasn't going to be, uh, who was the other one? Giata. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I agree.

It was really between Sarah Jane and, and, and, Tatiana for going home last night. Yes, and I think it was clear after they danced that it was going to be Sarah because I just felt nothing. Yeah. Oh, we didn't talk about Janet Dewan. She was the final performance. Jen and DeWan with Vow.

I was, I feel exactly about her how I felt about Harry Shum Jr. I was bored. Like, it was good, obviously. Like, technically it was probably the strongest dance, but I was just bored by the whole thing. Yeah, it wasn't like excellent. It looked like the troupe. Like, you know?

The troop. They're so cute. We got like a lot. They are. We got a troop content. Extra dance content last night, which was good. Like all the stars dance, all the pros dancing. Derek.

Derek. Were you okay? I meant to check it on you. No. Why do, like, Julian and Derek get their own, like, solo performances? Because they're, like, the king and queen of dancing with the stars. Yeah, but I also feel like throughout the season, other people will get. Well, also, the pros are working with their.

They're busy. The pros are busy. And then, no, Carrie Ann is not going to do a solo performance. And neither is Bruno. Bruno. Yeah. know, I just, but I feel like if somebody wants a solar performance, they could have one, but I think it's really only Julianne and Derek raising their hands. I think as people get eliminated

and the pros free up, then we'll get some other solo performances. But like, it was just giving like their sweet 16, you know? Yeah, but they did a performance. They're amazing dancers. Of course. So, I was just cracking up. Rosa. It was, I mean, it was obviously no Paris Spaghetti, but it was something. That's so funny. I would say Derek's performance made a bigger impression on me than Paris Spaghetti. But I know that's actually for you. No, no, no. I am the woman I am today because of what I saw.

And I think like the best call ever made was that Derek Huff is to Dancing at the Stars, what Robert Herjavik is to Shark Tank for you. Did you, you made that call? Mm-hmm. Last season. Okay, that's interesting. And explain yourself just briefly. They're just like the same energy of like they're totally nice.

Hey, look at me. They're totally nice guys who. like art. And you just hate both of them. You think like they're both hacks. They're both ugly, stupid and annoying. By the way, I just want to say, I do think Robert Hergebeck is a hack. I think he was like the least eligible shark. Like he was lucky to be there.

Yeah. I think he gives bad business advice. Like actually, I don't think Derek Huck is a hack. Huff is a hack. Like I think he's like the most successful like talented performer. I have a deep rooted issue like with him and his sister's like vibes. Just like. I can't explain it.

But it's a good comparison, but it's not a perfect one. Nothing is perfect. No, no. Except the toast, which is now on day four of doing 90-minute episodes. I know. We just sort of can't stop gabbing. We can't, but I do have to call it. That's okay.

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