The Toast - Diddy, Huberman & Bob Dylan: Tuesday, March 26th, 2024

Episode Date: March 26, 2024

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Good morning, Millennials! Welcome back to the shows and happy Tuesday! And speaking of choose... No, it's Jews Day. And speaking of Jews, I'm joined by a very proud one. Hello, Jacqueline Foley. Thank you so much for joining the show today. It's a pleasure and an honor to be here per-choose-ual. Oh, okay! Not the pun. Not the slut strands, Jackie. You look

like a big slut today. I feel uncomfortable, not because of being slutty. I feel uncomfortable. I feel like they don't look right and they're bothering me. I'm actually going to put them behind my ears if you could bear with me. Oh, so we're kind of going from a slutty podcast to a more traditional one. Jackie's putting her slut strands away. She's taking back, you know, her life of sin. And she's moving forward in Christ. I love that. No, it was just too in my face.

I can't live like that. I need a clean workspace to do my thing. No distractions. I'ma do my thing. Thing, thing. That was such a crazy song. Why? That album was a crazy song. Why? That album was actually extremely good.

Yeah. What is the song that opens the movie Trainwreck? I know it's from the Bangers album. Yes. Is it Not Do My Thang? Is it? No, it's, no. I need to look at the name of the songs.

I'll know it when I see it. It was such a perfect random, like whoever did the soundtrack, like knew what the fuck they were doing, you know? It's true. I think you're right. I think it was Do My Thing. It was, yes, it was confirmed. Okay, great, great.

Little trivia for the morning. Speaking of pop culture, you're looking like Kate Middleton today in your sweater. I am looking like Kate Middleton today with my sweater. I am looking like Kate Middleton today with my sweater. And don't forget my gorgeous, luscious locks. Of course the locks, but the sweater is so,

as they say, Kate Middleton. Coded. Wait, something we didn't even really talk about. It's like a really sad side effect for anyone of chemotherapy is losing your hair. And Kate is really like known for her hair.

It's like famous, her famous blowout that if that is a reality. It's like famous, her famous blowout. That, if that is a reality, that's so sad, you know? Yeah. Just something I wanted to mention. Thank you for mentioning that. Thanks for making the show sad. Sorry. Back to me looking like Kate Middleton.

Yeah. It's Kate Middleton via Amazon. It's Kate Middleton if you ordered her through Wish, you know? It's giving Timu Kate Middleton. It's Fate Fiddleton. It's Fate Fiddleton, you ordered her through Wish, you know? It's giving Timu Kate Middleton. It's Fate Fiddleton. It's Fate Fiddleton but it doesn't mean it's not cute.

No, you're the one who was denigrating it. Oh, yeah, that's my thing. Oh, you have to compliment me? I have to self-sabotage. Say something nice about me. I just did that you look like Kate Middleton.

No, no, but like Say something else. Yeah, like just compliment something about me. Oh, actually having a hard time. Okay. Like I feel like I captured all the like, okay, your hair looks so wonderful.

Thanks, it's a wig. Like, I always have to sort of insult myself whilst accepting. You can't accept a compliment. No, and it's like, okay, someone says, I love your shirt. I'll literally be like, it was a dollar. Yeah. So, I need to learn to stop doing that. what's the right thing to say just thank you oh my god thank you so much i love your sweatshirt too no no you don't have to say another you don't

also have to deflect are you wearing my sweatshirt i am wearing your sweatshirt you dirty little liar because remember you left it in my closet and I said this belongs to you yeah you did and you were like okay then you never took it well enjoy but here's the thing about accepting a compliment I feel like even what you just said you're still deflecting by giving someone a compliment back like just sit with it accept the comment I had to immediately change the subject like back to your sweatshirt like yeah let's try one more time and this is like an exposure therapy very Huberman of us tell me you like something about me I like your sweater thank you so much but about I like it too you know thank you so much it's really comfortable

yeah okay that's good yeah um I think that's what you're supposed to do so today's show I'm so excited for I think you and I both really did our research on today's episode because it's almost like this happens to us all the time, where somebody whom, like, is very popular in culture, but we don't really, like, know much about them. The second we start talking about them, there's an article being written about them. It's almost like we're kind of, like, radioactive in that sense. But that happened yesterday.

Huberman, who's kind of been, like, a major topic of conversation here at The Toast. We've been implementing a lot of his wellness and self-help. Literally not at all. We take a sip of water and say Huberman sent us. I don't know. I took Romeo out today and right when I woke up and I got my vitamin D and I'm feeling Huberman-esque. Right.

But it's like you still had to take your dog out. Yeah. No, no, no. But we've just been talking about him a lot recently and this sort of, I don't even know what to call it. It was a cover story in New York Magazine. It was- Hit piece.

Yeah, but it was like moronic. Expose. Yeah, sure. Expose on Huberman in the New York Magazine. Jackie and I both read it. Everyone's talking about it and I cannot wait to dive in. I screenshotted some of my favorite parts because they were so dumb.

And I just like, I want everyone to know, and I'm sure you all could have guessed this, hashtag I stand with Huberman. Yeah. I did need to read it just to make sure I still stand with Huberman. Make sure he wasn't accused of something like egregious. Yeah. Sometimes I see a hit piece and it's my reflex to want to defend the person

just because that's the way things go. And so often it's a mountain out of a molehill and people are just being crucified every now and then there are like legitimate accusations so you don't want to just like blindly defend right so I do need to like see the accusations prior to be able to speak on them and say comfortably I stand with Huberman and like I wasn't even somebody who like we talked about Huberman a lot. I swear, like I had no idea anything about, he was a real scientist. I didn't know he was Stanford. I didn't know he was a Stanford professor. I just know he's like a girlie with a podcast that talks about wellness. Who doesn't? I thought it was seriously like he was an influencer.

I had no idea of his accolades. And I'm sure this wasn't the point of an, of the article. I'm a Huber stan. Like I find his whole thing very impressive. He's a fucking freak. But like, and I was thinking about this yesterday. I feel like it's really common for sort of mainstream media to do big hit pieces. Never on someone who's like a media darling. It's always someone who's sort of like alternative. Fringe.

Fringe. Free thinker. And I don't know what the point of these articles are. Is it to silence that person? Because I find more often than not, they become bigger than ever. Like this article for me, like I had never even heard of him

and I never even felt compelled once in my life to listen to a podcast episode of his. I'm so not the target demo. But now I don't know. I'm like, oh, he's a fucking freak. Yeah, now I'm like, what was he saying about coffee before you wake up? And his wellness tips are so um ubiquitous like they become ubiquitous people just die for them

I'm intrigued so I don't know what the point of these articles are but I feel like they're having the adverse effect I feel like it's mainstream media media mainstream media's way of like silencing someone who's kind of out there but but in turn. Like someone who has a platform and is maybe using it not in the way that they want to see them using it. And so I find that it just has the opposite effect. I think now people are so attuned to it that even, obviously for us, we're hardened. So we read it like with a critical lens.

But even when I was seeing some of the reactions from this article like I think it is happening the opposite effect for most people where it's like oh well isn't yeah right that's just like the nature of life like you can't just cancel everyone and so at first I think like if you got canceled like in the late 2010s like it had a major major impact and ever since then it's just sort of like a rite of passage for anyone with a platform it doesn't really have the fallout that it's a rite of passage and honestly if you haven't had even like a small scandal you're kind of a nobody seriously yeah and it's crazy what they even got of Huberman they went so far deep into his personal life like you know what it was reminding me of I hope that we're on the same page I'm gonna say it in three two one but you think first I'm not

gonna say it no but I want you to say it I can't think that wide-spanning tell me what to remind you if I'll tell you if I had that feeling I'll be honest it reminded me of the article about Gary the bachelor did not it did not remind me that. That one was even more innocuous. But... And if you want to dig so deep into someone, you will find like... Loser behavior. Imperfect behavior about anyone.

And then to make it like the grand sweeping thesis is like his private and his public. There's such a disparity. Oh, wait. Can we trust what he's saying? I'm glad you brought up the grand thesis because I literally screenshotted the last paragraph of the article.

It was like the girl did all this dumb research and she didn't know how to land the plane. Yeah, she didn't know how to be like- So she made it about like female friendship. It was so stupid. Like, okay, you know what? Let's sidebar that because that is our first story.

What's actually crazy is that that's not even the biggest story of the day. Is the biggest story of the day the bridge? No. Okay, but let's just talk about that really quick horrible like sending so much love to our Baltimore toasters like how scary that video that was so scary that video is so scary they're still doing the search and rescue mission I feel like there's still six people missing that's seven I feel like that's everyone's worst nightmare when

they're going over a bridge and it feels like there's just sort of like far off thing that's never gonna happen but it's like this crazy thing we all think and it's people's everyone's worst nightmare when they're going over a bridge and it feels like there's just sort of like far off thing that's never gonna happen but it's like this crazy thing we all think and it's people's like actual worst nightmare coming to fruition it is so scary i don't know who to be angry at like what the fuck happened with the boat and did he back into it no it was a front and to me in the video it looked a little bit like a backing i've seen pictures of the wreckage like you could see ariel pictures from daytime now you could see it was the front and by the thank god it wasn't like 7 a.m rush hour it was dark out so i think there could have been way more people on the bridge but there was also construction workers like oh my god horrible yeah well i think we'll

have answers soon as to what happened but it appears as though like the power went out on the cargo ship but then also i guess i never really thought like there are cargo ships going under bridges that we drive on i don't love that i didn't know that i've never seen a cargo ship under like the 59th street bridge or the manhattan one manhattan bridge or like any of the manhattan bridges the gw that's just manhattan but the world needs to operate like ports are like ports and bodies of water need I don't know I just didn't know that am I the only one I never thought about it so wait what was the big story you're teasing P Diddy oh right right right yes yes that's the big story it is a big story and I'm I was talking to you about this this morning it's

really hard not to keep falling into conspiracy theory traps about P. Diddy. There's so much misinformation on Twitter, like on all social media. I cannot figure out what is real and what is fake. Because people are making jokes. People are making AI. I don't even want to say misinformation because it's just like theories. And I feel like whenever you talk about sex trafficking

and then like a wider range, it definitely is bigger than some of the facts that we know right now. But then people just start to like theorize and start pulling from a million different things. And not all of it is true. I would say most of it is probably not, but it's just like theories.

And it's like, wait, so what's true? What's fact right now? And what's just being theorized about? Right. And it's reminding me a lot of Epstein where like so many celebrities' names were in the Epstein docs. And I would say half of them

were completely innocently in there. They had no correlation to Epstein, Epstein Island, pedophilia. And now it's like names are floating. And I just saw a thing in Page Six about Prince Harry being in some of the documents. Yeah, one. He was mentioned once

and we'll talk about it in the story. Just to sort of say what's being said I it it is mostly like nothing burger ish but I'm sure he's freaking having a hard day I'm not a good week for Prince Harry no no so juicy stories for a Tuesday you know we're going up on a Tuesday yeah it's It's always the Tuesday. You never see it coming. It's almost like we've been choosing. We didn't choose this Tuesday. We didn't choose this life, Jackie.

It choose us. That's true. That is true. Okay, let's get into it because there's a lot to discuss. Yeah. Yeah. Without further ado about the choo-da-choo-da-choo. Oh, I love that.

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I'm like, I did put in all this work. What's holding me back? First, it's Cinch's birthday. I did get approval from the one and only Cinch to miss it. She, honestly, I was hoping her, she would be a little bit more upset. She didn't seem that upset. She also, I think, knows if I miss it, like I'll have to get her a better birthday present. So I think, you know, it's a win win for everyone.

So she was OK with it. Then I asked Ben if he would run it with me because I'm not running it alone. Of course. He said yes. And I also invited Josh to run it with me. Did he answer me? Oh, he said, I'm obviously in. I'll sign us all up. Yeah. I mean, it with me. Did he answer me? Oh, he said, I'm obviously in pub. I'll sign us all up.

Yeah, I mean, you ditched me. We've been training for this. I could say you ditched me. Went over to the good guys. Didn't even bat an eyelash. I think we're going to have to call ourselves the good guys and dolls. After everything they've done to us. Why don't you just be happy that I'm not

running this 5K alone like a loser. Okay. I never thought you were running it alone. I never was going to. So that'll be fun. No. Yeah. I was like kind of looking forward to not having to train anymore. No the training is fun. I feel like even if nothing came of it like it was

just a good thing that we were doing. And we got so much shtick and I am I'm going to do it. Like I'm signing up. I'm going to tell, you know, the peeps that count me in. Plus two. Okay. I'm happy for you. Keep me posted.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Let's get into the stories. First up, Diddy's LA and Miami homes were raided by the feds in connection with the sex trafficking investigation yesterday. feds in connection with the sex trafficking investigation yesterday so sean diddy combs his homes in la and miami were raided by homeland security on monday in possible connection with an ongoing sex trafficking investigation federal law enforcement agents were seen arriving to the

rapper's properties with guns drawn in the lavish homeby hills neighborhood of la and in miami as seen in video obtained by fox 11 in In another video captured by TMZ, federal agents could be seen swarming his California property while multiple helicopters hovered from above. A few people were taken out in handcuffs, including one of his sons. The other people's names have yet to be officially revealed. Along with, at the time, Diddy's whereabouts were unknown,

but he was spotted yesterday at an executive airport in Miami. There also was then rumors that like his jet, which you know, as we were talking about recently in regards to Taylor Swift, that his jet can be tracked and they say he's fleeing the country, but there's no proof of that. Like, so there was, I think he has two planes.

One of them landed in Miami yesterday with him and another one was flying like from LA to the Caribbean. Which is definitely weird. Like what was on that plane? Documents, people, et cetera, et cetera. I don't think he would leave the country while his son is in custody. Now, of course, what does this remind you of? I know you're going to say Jake Paul, but it doesn't. It reminds me of Jake Paul because we had aerial footage of, It reminds me of Jake Paul because we had aerial footage of, was it Homeland Security or like the feds?

The FBI. The FBI raiding his house, guns, people coming out. And it was the craziest thing of all time. And the way nothing happened after that, like he basically got swatted as a prank. You know, they do that. What the hell was the sort of wrap up there? Nothing.

I don't know. Today, I don't care because we're talking about this no but I'm just saying and there are allegations connected to this from Cassie that we had spoken about a few weeks ago also uh Lil I need to find his name his name is like Rodney uh he's um the like the one leveling charges against Diddy he had worked with him and there's a lot of different charges really so there is like there are stories here in charges and there's more information here it's all related to sex trafficking charges like sexual harassment the physical abuse that Cassie had detailed and then this person Rodney he was a producer with Diddy has like a whole trove of sordid tales yeah and there have been like people in the last like month there's been a lot of news coming out about Diddy

and people have been like 50 Cent has been posting about it non-stop on his Instagram like people in the industry sort of been like hinting at something major to come in like this big sort of you know uh network of you know whatever and it feels like we might be on the precipice of like what we thought was gonna happen with Epstein remember like the list the list and that never happened nobody sang for their supper he you know killed himself in prison or whatever and she oh my god I'm sorry I keep going on tangents The craziest part of this movie that I saw, I'm sorry. I know I keep going back to it. The, okay. The movie that I saw over the weekend, which is about Nicholas Winton, the guy who saved over 600 Jewish lives, the Ghislaine Maxwell of it all. Her father, which we, who we all know, who is Ghislaine Maxwell. She's like this he's like kind of like a Rupert Murdoch, big media. Him and his wife were the ones who discovered Nicholas

Winton and his scrapbook and made the story what it was. When they said Robert Maxwell, I was like, Ben, do you know who that is? Like he didn't appreciate it. The Ghislaine Maxwell of it all, totally random. Sorry. Now back to what I was saying. Is that interesting? That's nice. Yeah. Like, you know, they said when Jeffrey Epstein Epstein the Epstein Island we were finally going to find out who all the pedophiles in Hollywood were that never happened but it does sound like it feels also like this ditty thing is gonna like crack open this big sort of ring of abuse yeah but we don't know hope that it would but I don't think that it. I feel like if Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein could be tried and for Ghislaine convicted of sex trafficking and not one person, one client, how you can charge someone with that

without actually like having the people who did it. And this, to me, this feels like even a a smaller version of it I don't think it's gonna go past Diddy I really don't but I do think that I hope that it does client list I feel like the is more protected than this it's like a political class it's not famous people it was like I feel like the one person who really came out we knew he was a pedophile too actually Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton like Like, literally, those aren't celebrities. Those are, like, former presidents, a prince. Those are people who actually are a protected class. I think they're, like, the almighty. When people talk about, like,

you know, they, like, it's those types of people, you know what I mean? Yeah. Whereas I feel like if there's anyone connected to this sort of human trafficking abuse ring that I feel like is going to come out with Diddy, it's more so celebrities who are definitely you know privileged and and you know get special treatment but not like a protected class completely and I feel like often the law tries to make an example out of celebrities maybe but I think that like Diddy and it's on that level of like global elites where yes some of them are politicians are like dignitaries but there are a few really big name celebrities in there and I think I just I don't know if it didn't happen with Epstein I know and the island the seizure of the island and the logs they have everything and the documentaries I don't know what more is going to happen here I feel like

it's just going to be about Diddy and the work like what he did and the toxic work culture that he fostered I don't think it's going to go into like global sex trafficking ring scale I don't think this is the one damn I'm just like waiting for that. Anyone else? Yeah. Everyone is. Everyone is. This isn't it? And I feel like people have not dropped the torch on like, Jeffrey Epstein did not kill himself. Like what the hell is going on? What happened?

What are the names? Like where are the convictions? But like, these are very powerful people. No, it's true. And it's like, how do we know that Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton like went to the island and were pedophilic?

And like, why aren't they jailed? And there's not a charge. Yeah. Like it's so, how do we know that Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton like went to the island and were pedophilic? And like, why aren't they? And there's not a charge. Yeah. Like it's not a charge. No, the Epstein thing, like everybody,

well, not everybody, like the commoners, we did not drop the ball. The government, whoever was in charge, the attorney general, whatever,

drop the ball. Yeah. No, the plane going to the Caribbean is weird. It is weird. It is weird. It's giving grand Cayman, you know? Yeah, it's giving extradition. Extradition.

So this is clearly a developing story. Crazy story. Yeah, it is a developing story. And TBD, if it has more to do with this global sex trafficking ring, or if it's more so about like Diddy's world that he's cultivated with Cassie and Rodney and just like a really and if you read some of the allegations of like you know like sex sexual abuse and, but also like, and also human trafficking, like forcing people to have sex with other people. The other thing is like, sometimes these charges can be confusing because

you're right. It's either like Diddy's a freak and has this like weird past, or it's like this ring of, you know, abusers. Um, and sometimes like when you like take someone across state lines, like that's considered trafficking. Yeah, yeah. It's confusing what the charges actually mean. No, to what degree? Because trafficking is trafficking and making someone do something against their will

and holding them prisoner, like that's human trafficking. But it's like, how big is it? Right, when I think human trafficking, I think what we all think, which is like this sort of underground system. Yeah. Big network. Big network. So I don't know. But when I, you know, I feel like we all, especially if you're really into pop culture, like it's so easy to like end up down rabbit holes, blind items like over the years. And you really do feel like Hollywood is

this ring of pedophiles. Like that's just kind of so easy to get there. And there's proof like there really is. And things like this, like really, you're like the inner, you know, blind item girl in me is like, oh,

this is it. Yeah. The dominoes are falling into place. And I never would have thought that like Diddy was at the helm of it. I don't know who I would have thought was. I have some ideas. Yeah. Like I feel like from the you can't say if you read the blinds like we all took we were in that we were in that compliance meeting in 2017 so like we can't say but like there are some big names that are just can you text me who you think it would be yeah I feel

like who I think is not who you're who would be top of mind for you yeah I feel like who I think is not who you're, who would be top of mind for you. Yeah. I feel like he really gets away unscathed. I feel like, okay, let me see who Jackie's saying. Okay, this is the name that I think. Oh my God, that's what I was going to say because we think of the same blind item, this terrible story, right?

Okay, yes. But then here's another name that people always throw around, but he wasn't so much in the blind. So for me, I don't feel as connected to it but people really think this is the one oh yeah by the way he's the one you think hold on sorry that this is annoying but we can't just like be slinging names no and I would also love, is it slander? Oh, really? She is? Yes, yes, yes. So. Is it slanderous to what?

Like ask people to sound off in the comments, like who they think of. I feel like it's like not. Right? I don't think it is. Okay, here's the thing. Like when you think of like this sort of like underground devil demonic. Like when you go down that conspiracy, what celebrities do you like come to mind for you to be being at the helm of this ring of pedophilia and human trafficking?

Yeah, yeah. And then there are some that are more known and not celebrities though. Cracking up from our texts. Like I feel like that's, you know, for the close friends. Like I think this one is really the linchpin, what I just sent you. What does linchpin mean? Like the- Of course. If it's a pyramid, it's number top of the pyramid. one is is really the lynchpin what I just sent you what does lynchpin mean like the of course

if it's a pyramid it's number top of the pyramid yeah yeah yeah yeah like he started it wait but look wait look I wrote one more thing it always is it always is they always are they always are sorry that was annoying of us. But like for my own health, I needed to have that conversation. We need to get on the same page. Yeah. Yeah. I guess we could have the conversation and like cut it out.

But why make more work for ourselves? Right. But also, so either like we've just read the same lines. True. Which is true. Or we all just think the same things. Yeah. And we all have seen the same things.

And like is it possible, and I just have to ask this question like the devil's advocate. Is it possible that like this sort of theory we all have about the same things. And like, is it possible? And I just have to ask this question like the devil's advocate. Is it possible that like this sort of theory we all have about Hollywood and the elites, like that it's like fake? No, because then things like quiet on set come out and we feel like vindicated. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I think not fake.

I think there's a degree of truth to it, but it's just like to what degree is it true? Yeah. How, what percentage of Hollywood? Is it worse than we thought or is it smaller? Yeah. That's what I think. Okay.

Okay. So we will keep you abreast. We're not going to let this story die. Yes, we will. Oh, and as it regards Prince Harry was mentioned in the filing um because the producer Lil Rod Rodney Jones said in court documents that guests were drawn to Diddy's alleged sex trafficking parties due to the rapper's quote access to celebrities such as famous athletes political figures artists musicians and international dignitaries like British Royal

Prince Harry okay no one else was named in that sentence so like that's kind of rude it's really unfortunate but I get what he was named in that sentence. So like, that's kind of rude. No, it's really unfortunate, but I get what he was trying to say. Like these weren't just, that's kind of what we were saying before. These weren't just parties with like Hilary Duff, you know? It's another level of beyond celebrity, even super A-list celebrities. It's up there with the powerful people. Yes, yes. And people were attracted to those parties for those reasons.

It's unfortunate, but I do feel like it's a perfect example I think it makes you know I understood what Rodney was saying you know yeah yeah so sorry for Harry but I think it was a necessary example yeah and by the way if Harry was at a party which by the way being at a party is not a crime unless it's like the theme is human trafficking like what are we dressing as but right no also a lot of celebrities are parties and that's where we get these pictures where it's like a nefarious actor with a celebrity and of course maybe the celebrity is nefarious as well but maybe they're just not and they're just there being a dumb celebrity at a party that's why um all those pictures like right at the height of Epstein it was so easy to get like uh bogged down by like conspiracy theories because all these pictures of Ghislaine Maxwell with

every single celebrity like these Getty images and it was just that's how these moronic parties work and if Ghislaine is like a a rich woman so she's a host of this party and it's benefiting a charity every celebrity's got to take a picture with Ghislaine so it was really unfortunate for a lot of people who were probably innocent having their pictures with Ghislaine all over the internet like that sucks yeah well our next story someone else who's the talk of the town today Andrew Huberman as we said a New York Magazine article called Andrew Huberman's mechanisms of control the private and public seductions of the world's biggest pop neuroscientist dropped yesterday and it was a deep dive into Mr. Huberman himself what he

practices and what he preaches and the disparity between the two did you I up until the middle thought that this was a piece that Huberman like sat for. And it wasn't until she said what his rep. His rep had responded to some charges. I thought it was just crazy that there was this big piece. And I thought he sat for that portrait that was on the cover. Anybody else? No, that's his artwork that has just been distorted.

But the vibe I got, maybe I I'm wrong but I think this reporter started as a big fan of Huberman um and was listening to episodes and became really interested in Huberman and then wanted to write an article about him and started digging into him and found this thread that she then went off on okay so I feel like at the beginning I thought that might have been it too but no I think that this group of five women, it ends up being about these five women who all connected because they realized at the same time they were in quote unquote monogamous relationships with Andrew Huberman. They were all having unprotected sex with him. And now they're like best friends, female friendship wins, the Barbie movie essentially. And I feel like they took their story to someone.

And then this woman sort of backtracked and wrote this whole article from beginning to end. But the whole point of the article was these five women. The last three paragraphs were literally like, female friendship runs through the invisible string. They're best friends. They have this group chat. There's 100 messages a day. They're going to meet in real life and do getaways together.

Camp toast. Like, I felt like I'm Huberman they had this story they knew this sort of salacious thing about a very famous famous person and they took it to a journalist and she wrote an article about it that's how I felt okay but the journalist is also saying that at one point she listened to the podcast and has been implementing Huber tips into her everyday life it's the biggest podcast in the world that's not shocking to me that someone who works in media would have listened to it. Yeah.

So and then I think she got this story and she made it personal like a good journalist would, you know? Yeah. So here's the tale that she is telling. She talks about Huberman, the story that he sells and then what's really going on with him. Here's one paragraph that seems to sum up what she's trying to say. She said, quote, Huberman sells a dream of control down to the cellular level, but something has gone wrong. In the midst of immense fame, a chasm has opened between the podcaster preaching dopaminergic restraint and a man with

newfound wealth with access to a world unseen by most professors. The problem with a man always working on himself is that he may also be working on you. So at first when I read the article, I was like, oh, that's actually kind of an interesting take. Like, and I feel like we talked about this with Jay Shetty. Like when your whole thing is minimalism and self-peace and shit like that, but then you're moderating, officiating J-Lo and Ben Affleck's wedding, how does that sort of monk lifestyle of nothingness and the celebrity lifestyle of everythingness, how do you, you know, merge the two? So at first I thought, I'm like, you know what, that's kind of like an interesting

take. But then it became very clear that it was just about this woman, Sarah. And I had screenshotted a few things. So basically Sarah was sort of the major player out of these five women who he was seeing at the same time and having unprotected sex with. That was kind of his biggest crime. I think the article tried to make it seem like, you know, being a cheater isn't, you know, the most ethical thing, but it's not a crime. But having unprotected sex with women who trust you is definitely an ethical gray area. It's not the right thing to do. Yeah.

It's just really crazy that I'm reading about Huberman's condom usage in New York Magazine. Like, it's something about, to me, it's like, this is not my plate. This is not my business. But it became abundantly clear to me that, like, there was a lot of stretching and reaching going on in this article when I read this slide. Sarah's relationship with Andrew began in February 2018 in the Bay Area, where they both lived. He messaged her on Instagram and said he owned a home in Piedmont, a wealthy city separate from Oakland. That turned out not to be precisely true. He lived off of Piedmont Avenue, which was in Oakland.

Okay, that reminded me of Gary. Remember they said Gary didn't live in Ohio, he lived in Cleveland or whatever? No. Okay, by the way, people lie about where they live all the time. Like, you live a little close to the Upper East Side you're like I live on the Upper East Side like it's oh cool oh my god literally I live five blocks away from the Upper East Side I'm on the Upper East Side that's literally on the Upper East Side after all and the lies didn't stop there it was Lenox Hill like it's not a big deal to like sort of fudge the area that you live in

of course everybody's always gonna say they live in the nicer part of town like yeah no so that's like the what kicks off his string of lies and the next nefarious act that he does is he's flaky so Huberman is a flake no it's clear that he's like one of these all-powerful men like almost um I feel like when you're nerdy I feel like you can go a couple of ways and when you get really famous for being nerdy like I feel like when you're nerdy, I feel like you can go a couple of ways. And when you get really famous for being nerdy, like I feel like I could totally see you becoming a fucking monster, like who doesn't honor time commitments and who's rude. And there was a lot about his flakiness, but a lot about his dog.

Oh, yeah. But you know what? It was reminding me of this article. It was reminding me a little bit about Elon. That's what I was going to say. When I was reading Elon's book and some of his quirkier behavior I guess you would say and then it reminded me of what Elon said on SNL like I'm a genius you didn't think I was actually gonna be cool guy too like right I'm a weirdo but there's obviously an

element of like Asperger's when it comes to Elon correct yes right like you can't be everything to everyone all at once you can't be you can't be like the smartest person in the world constantly working and working on like literally eight world changing companies and also just be like a cool guy to be around. Right. And like grab a beer with. Everyone's favorite guy. So I think that was becoming clear at the beginning of the article. Like he takes himself so seriously. He's obviously really, really smart. He acts like an ass because he thinks he can. Like he's someone I would literally never pursue a friendship or relationship with he sounds like a nightmare nightmare but it's always the people who are like yeah you would think like Huberman has all of his protocols for ways to live your best life

physically mentally and just like get on the best page so yeah I guess you might be surprised to find out that he's not perfect in his real life it's Tony Robbins yeah but Tony Robbins was actually accused of like a little bit more of a I don't remember exactly but it was like you know the really toxic workplace sexual harassment in the workplace yeah nothing here is illegal right like he's just being accused of being like a flaky freak creep honestly like big time loser so but then there was like this thread through the article where he was too obsessed with his dog and I was like okay, okay, that's also not a crime. I don't know why we're including this in the article. Are the, like they didn't have that much because he, him caring about

his dog. Listen to this. When they were together, he was buzzing, anxious. He's like, oh, my dog needs his blanket this way. And I'm like, your dog is just laying there super cozy. Why are you being weird about the blanket? I literally wrote a note, a note Ben Ben like the dogs are fine and Ben is futzing with them non-stop is that article worthy I don't think so no that's me with brew his heating pad's not turned up to the level that he wants yeah sure he's he's okay but he could be cozier you gotta futz with the ones you love it's called maturing in Yiddish I do it with also like it's so funny because when I do it with Rue there's like a level of comedy to it but if you take that out it sounds psychotic like it's psychotic Huberman's just like you know uh what's the word like LARPing with his dog yes so then we get to the part of the article where he actually starts to do things that are unethical

like cheating on his partner so Sarah is the main, and I'm sure that's not her real name. So this is when she discovers him cheating. In August 2021, Sarah says she read Andrew's journal and discovered a reference to cheating. She says she was gutted. I hear you are saying you are angry and hurt, he texted her that same day. I will hear you as much and as long as needed for us. So you're at a point in a relationship where you're reading your man's journal like which is so invasive now I feel like this is going to be probably my hottest take of the article and I want to I want to say it says a reference to cheating like what is like hardcore I'm cheating on her and also was he not being honest in his journal because it turns out he's dating like four people at the same time is he is that what you saw the truth or do you see like is he

lying in his journal and so by the way the next year she discovers him cheating again and it's because she's snooping through his phone so this is obviously a relationship with no trust and I hate this is I don't know how to phrase this in a way where people aren't going to be like Claudia you're a misogynist or that you're victim blaming because if the rules were reversed you'd say about a man doing it to a woman right but I don't think it's like I don't think it could be considered victim blaming he wasn't abusive he was just a fucking freak but it's like this is a woman and by the way Sarah has two kids after she finds out he's cheating after she claims that he would go on you know days where he was so angry like he was obviously like a terrible terrible partner and boyfriend and and just person

honestly she takes her two kids and she moves in with him she moves to Malibu she moves her whole family out to Malibu especially when a lot of his anger was about her children she said she said she said having a second child was a big mistake and you need to admit that. He would get really angry that she's been with other people and that she has children and that her having a second child was a huge mistake and he would be really angry about that. So you stay with this person and you move in with him with your children? And the whole time in the article they maintain that Sarah is a successful independent woman. She's a huge feminist. She's not someone who can be easily manipulated. Like they sort of maintain that like she's not a victim she she's this sort of all-powerful woman so you're in this years-long toxic relationship with a man who says your children are a mistake who has cheated on you

you've now discovered who gave you an std because you were like i thought we're not having sex with other people i just had a tested positive for hpv yeah so she was only having sex with him he said he was monogamous too she never had hpv before and then she tested positive for HPV. Yeah so she was only having sex with him he said he was monogamous too she never had HPV before and then she tested positive for HPV. And so I just feel like there needs to be like accountability on all parts like the the thesis from this article is like Andrew Huberman is a fucking freak absolutely everyone should stay away from him in regards to romantic and working relationships seriously I would literally like he sounds like a nightmare that is fact that is but like what is Sarah doing like what is Sarah doing I don't know if it's like so crazy that I'm saying this because I

I just feel like there are equal parts blame to lay on everyone like and these other women we don't really hear from the other four just that like he would see them you know for periods of time monogamously but then it turned out that he wasn't monogamous they didn't sort of have as main of a role living with him right I mean they didn't have a main role in the article he would fly them out but it was really Sarah Sarah was sort of the main his main girl um. And I just, I couldn't gather, I couldn't wrap my head around the author saying, this is a powerful, smart, successful, feminist, independent woman

who moves her two children in with a man who has cheated on her and who apparently goes on days long angry rants. Right, and goes missing for days. And I don't know, something wasn't adding up and the thing is all of this is told from Sarah's POV Huberman did not sit down for this article no but he responds to a couple of the charges yeah and they she uh like hard like straight up denied them and at a certain point it's kind of like he said she said there were also things that Huberman said that were in

quotations like that Sarah said Huberman said and they are in quotations so were they set over text or how do you have a quote of that a lot of it was also transcribed podcast which I found almost illegible but Sarah will say like we got into an argument yes he said this yeah how do you have a quotation of what someone said unless it was oh they're all text messages in which case the author should have said I saw that the text message said this I don't know I just feel like it's very telling that this was like a you know a basically first person description from Sarah so we don't even have and there are two sides to every story and I think you know there's her truth his truth and the version of the truth that's always the case this is her truth I don't find it that compelling on her behalf and we haven't even heard from Huberman in terms of how he say things went down he comes back and says no that never happened or no that was in 2021 not 2022 but we don't have his account

of things no and even there was one point where she says they were together and he she saw him cheating on someone cheating on her with someone like on the couch in his living room he lives yes yes that's the third time and so then she left she took a picture of the woman's car just to like try and find her afterwards, but couldn't find her. Right. And it's like, okay. And he says at that time that they were not together, which they shouldn't be together after everything else that went wrong between them.

So it's like, say they're not together. And she walks up to his house. It's like peeping, peeping, peeping through his window, like taking pictures, running place, running plays. Running plays. No, she sounds like a crazy person from a movie, from a book. Yeah. Okay, also another line that I was just like, oh, they really need things.

In private, he could seem less concerned about patriarchy. Because like she, like the journalist spoke to a lot of women and he liked you know sex that was you know very I would say traditional traditionally heterosexual you know submissive woman man in charge very much some of the novels that I read and so even though on his podcast I'm sorry look at him what do you think he looks like a caveman and like so on his podcast he preaches about patriarchy but in the bedroom he slaps a woman's ass like I'm sorry I think actually two things can be true at once I'm sorry but why are we reading this like this is not our business so the whole article is really trying to make it seem like

he's this sort of master manipulator and I actually you know what I'm sure he is but the article ends and when I when the article ended this way and I will read it to you it was so deeply unserious the I don't even think the name Andrew Huberman was in the last three paragraphs it's about these women on any given day one of the five the women can go into an appointment and come back to a hundred texts from the group chat someone shared a reddit thread in which a commenter claimed Huberman had a stable full of hoes. And another responded, I hope he thinks of us more like Care Bears. At which point they assigned themselves Care Bear names. Quote, him, you're the only girl I let come to my apartment. Read a meme someone shared. Under it was a yellow lab looking extremely skeptical. They regularly use his usual response to explicit photos to comment on pictures of one another's pets. They are holding space for other

women who might join. Quote, this group has radicalized me, Sarah tells me. Quote, there has been so much processing, unquote. They are planning a weekend together this summer. Quote, it could have been sad or bitter, says Eve, another another woman we didn't jump in as besties but real friendships have been built it has been in a strange and unlikely way quite a beautiful experience what's so that's the end of this page long pages long article this is a real life version of our favorite movie barbie yeah the other woman yeah yeah yeah but i don't know why when the other woman did it it wasn't annoying no because like she saw he was cheating and then she set out to ruin his life not like moved in with him state like knew exactly that he was

a dirty scoundrel yeah and then i don't know what i don't even know what had to happen here for her to finally be done with him unless he broke up with her yeah they never really even got to like the end of the relationship like how it ended and when then also the author then goes into his backstory because he tells this tale this is how she sums it up um of his life childhood of his childhood and the things that sort of built him so he said she said for the past three years one of the biggest podcasters on the planet has told a story to millions of listeners across half a dozen shows there was a little boy and the boy's family was happy until one day the boy's family fell apart the boy was sent away he foundered he found therapy he found

science he found exercise and he became strong so that's sort of his origin story. His parents divorced. His parents were not there for him. He said after the divorce, they neglected him. Like full neglect. Yeah. And I think he got into a bit of trouble. He was sent to like a hardening school. For a month. For a month there.

He found therapy, which kind of opened up his world. And he found science and exercise and whatnot. And then she also says on the other side of the coin. Science and exercise, yeah. Honestly, he's Elizabeth Zott. And by the way, she's a freak too. Thousand percent.

It's, you know. Yep. But she also says then there's a version of Huberman's story which is also the truth where it's like he, his father was a Stanford professor.

He was born in Stanford Hospital and he grew up to be a Stanford professor. Like it's not that crazy. His mom was an author. He grew up like, you know, not, it's not a hard life the way we would see it, you know, compared to someone else. Not like absent of privilege,

but he never said he came from impoverished circumstances or anything. And so when he was in high school, he started getting into trouble. You know, he was kind of acting out after his parents divorced and they ended up sending him away for a month. And she interviewed people who were in his high school and were like well we never saw him getting into fights or getting into any trouble so I don't know what they're talking about and I feel like um that's not necessarily proof that he wasn't going through hard times I feel like a lot of the times when kids are going through hard things like most of it happens at home and they present like a normal

facing life when they go to school literally you talk to a couple people from high school they don't know what the fuck they're worried about themselves they're not there to be a historian for one classmate who would they never expect 30 years later is going to become a big deal. Then she did try to infer that he might not have ever been sent away because Huberman wouldn't share or his representative wouldn't share with the journalist what the name of the facility was called and you know whatever reason might be, either maybe he didn't go to a facility or he just didn't want her digging around in this place for things about him.

Like, why give her a lead on a story? Figure it out yourself. Like, you can't. And she sort of inferred, or she didn't say it, but she sort of left it. Like, it's, you know. It could be not true. It doesn't sound like he went to a facility like that.

It could be a lie, is what she said. Yeah, yeah. That he's a liar. And so I think with the Jay Shetty thing, which this reminded me of, they had a lot of concrete proof that like when he said he wasn't in India, he actually was posting YouTube videos in North London. Like there was actual proof that he had, you know, been either confused or, you know, not telling the truth about his background. You can't for certain say that. That's like one of the rules of journalism. Like you have to have proof. to have proof she didn't say it she's just being dishonest and leaving it hanging there

she also tried to come for his lab at Stanford and say it's like just a couple classrooms on the second floor of a building like what and then Stanford like put out a statement saying like no this is a functioning lab and we're actually moving it to another building yeah and she also had said at the beginning that his lab was so popular, people come and visit tours. They have authorized personnel only stickers on all the doors. So fans don't come. So in the beginning of the article, there is a lab, but then later on she questions whether the lab ever existed. Yeah. And it's just a bunch of mice being sprayed, running around. Right. Now I don't know where I end with this because I really don't know Huberman like I'm not gonna die on the stake for him but I do feel like I read this account and really the whole article was Sarah's account of this relationship

and I don't really think Sarah came out looking that favorable so it makes me think like once you hear someone else's side of the story the truth is a version in the middle yeah so I'm hearing your version and it's not even that compelling yeah and I see gaps for where he could be like no this is what happened and this is where we thought we were at I just think Huberman is a guy who's really smart with a popular podcast who's a fucking freak weirdo ass loser like seriously and I don't know I don't know if that's worthy of an article of the cover of New York magazine especially given how much is going on in the world currently. Right. I just don't think, I didn't think it was, you know,

it was a long article and I read the whole thing and I was bored by it, I was. It was really long. And there was so much podcast transcription, which I didn't really, I get the, she was trying to make a point every time she transcribed a part of his podcast. She would find something where he said, I like cheese.

And then she would tell a story from Sarah where he said he didn't like cheese just basically the whole thesis being the person you see on the podcast is not the person you see in real life and I feel like that's fine I feel like that's fine too especially because there's no um there was nothing that said like this stuff that he's sharing is oh they tried to come for AG1 though oh my god I'm so glad you got that there's nothing that said like this stuff that he's sharing is, oh, they tried to come for AG1 though. Oh my God, I'm so glad you brought that up. There's nothing that says that the stuff that he's sharing like isn't actually really beneficial

and people are changing their lives because of it. And like, that's a net positive thing. So how can we go and ruin it and ruin this person? Of course. Right. But the one discrepancy is that he does ads for AG1 and then there are other people who saying that AG1 doesn't have enough of the vitamins

and minerals that they claim to have. Did I screenshot that? Because she said- I sent it to you. Oh, then yes. She said that, you know, another thing against him is that he, I think one of his biggest sponsors for every episode is AG1. And she said, it is something to hear someone who sells himself as a Stanford University

scientist just back from the lab proclaim that the $79 a month powder covers all your she said it is something to hear someone who sells himself as a Stanford University scientist just back from the lab proclaim that the $79 a month powder covers all your foundational nutritional needs. So she said in an industry not noted for its integrity, AG1, according to writer and professional debunker, Derek Barris. So how is a writer and professional debunker, his word, more valuable than a scientist, first of all? And by the way, I don't know the science behind AG1. I just think like that's not an equal thing. And I just feel like with doctors, like, because I find this way, I feel this way about Ozempic. Like you can find a doctor to say whatever you want. Like I see doctors on social media doing podcast interviews saying one thing about Ozembek and then another doctor saying the exact opposite on a podcast about it.

They're both doctors. Yeah. No, you really can find someone to say anything that you want. And it could be a doctor who went to a good school. Like it's not. And this guy isn't even a doctor. He's a professional debunker. That's not a job.

Right. And so he said that AG1 is not what it doesn't have the benefits that he claims to have oh therefore like huberman's a sellout please like i can't i can't yeah i can't it was a lot it was such a like it was the stretch of her arm hurts i'm sure one from all the typing well for sure from all the reaching it was so unnecessarily long I was just waiting for the big bombshell I'm like what did he do he well the one like the craziest allegation to me in terms of you know okay I'm in the weeds on his personal life now is like that day where he's flying in one girl yeah me texting with another girl send him meeting coffee eve for coffee literally the juggling is crazy because his

tips are so useful he optimizes his life he has too much free time a thousand percent he's optimized he has like a he has a uh he thinks he's like a prophet he has this obvious like superiority complex he thinks he's godlike and that's how these freaks especially men behave yeah also the way that he speaks like you know turbo thermogenic to birth turbo therapy speak he's the example of someone who's red flag who who really shows like maybe therapy is not for everyone and there is such thing as too much therapy and you don't have to be going to therapy your entire life look what happens like this is what he said to someone I'm willing to do the repair work on this like if I want a truck I want no like I want to fix this five words like this sucks but doesn't deter my desire and commitment

to see you and establish clear lines of communication and trust I'm sorry I want to work on this I want to work on this. I want to work on things. No, and you think he's so obsessed with productivity, he would use less words to save time. Word salad, yummy, yummy, humor in addition. No, no. Humor is a fucking fake. I want to know who Eve the actress is.

Oh, of course I do too. I have something kind of crazy to say. You think she's like community theater? No no no about who I thought it was. Oh I don't think you can say. Oh I have no proof. I just envisioned her in my head as this person. Okay who? I have zero zero proof. It is 100% not true but every time the person was talking like this sounds like Amber Heard. Oh that's so funny. She came to mind for me too. But based on what I've read about Amber Heard, especially from Elon's book, like this isn't, she doesn't fit the profile. Okay.

Okay. She doesn't fit the profile. Like Amber Heard would never be like the second in this story. They gave no clues as to who Amber was. Like there's no Easter eggs that we can sort of figure out. Oh, what did I say? Amber Heard. You said who Amber was.

They gave no clues as to who Eve was and clearly Amber Heard likes an evil genius no it could be her though I don't think Elon's evil no for sure I wouldn't slander my boy like that crazy I enjoyed recapping that article immensely

yeah that was fun. And honestly, I didn't even know what Huberman, that he had all these credentials. I didn't even know he was a professor. Yeah, and that he like does both. Get you a prof that can do both. No, he's a freak and I'm obsessed. I just want to say that was the first time in my life I've said prof.

What does it mean? It's like shorthand for professor. people like call their professors prof who and I just want to say like I want to apologize because take it back it was so wrong of me to say such a thing it was so disturbing I've literally never heard that and I didn't like the experience okay well you have to learn when you try new things I tried something new on and it wasn't for me and I wasn't being authentic to my true self prof I thought it was um sort of like an abbreviation for profit I'm like oh because he thinks he's a prophet that's better because also it's prof no professor it's 100% prof prof is profit that's why I thought it okay if you're someone who uses prof in go away go away yeah but it's

is it proff or prof or is it neither just by the way maybe people don't say that I've never heard anyone say that maybe people just write it oh for sure but there's no period after when they say it when they write it I can't get bogged down in the like mindset of losers I really can't also who's like talking to their professor that much I like literally couldn't run fast enough away from my professors you know what if your professor was Huberman could you imagine if my professor was Huberman like I I could see like a young impression would meet me coming upstairs with him of course but that's the difference Sarah like they said a million times was this accomplished successful smart independent feminist mother of two right so either she wasn't or Huberman wasn't

like this almighty powerful being and also yeah that raises a good point that he if he was such a nefarious actor like he has students like right he has I just think if just think if he was like that crazy awful, there would be, when you do an article like this and you do research into someone's background, there would be way more people, former students, former classmates, graduate, whatever, who would have come forward. Not just five scorned ex-lovers.

No, like the worst thing that he does in his life is that he's like flaky and tardy and he didn't take the camping trip when he said they were going to go camping. The camping trip. Could you imagine if every time, like if there was an article about you and it was like Claudia said that she was going to go to the Berkshires and we never went to the Berkshires.

Oh, but that was weird. When the guy like spent his own money getting scuba certified. Like that is so mean. Like he would win such a a dick but also like what is this guy doing like no the moral of the story is like i don't want to hang out with huberman i don't want to talk to huberman i don't want to date huberman but he still can have a successful podcast yeah two things can be true yeah and I can imagine myself listening to his podcast being like, oh my God, this guy's insufferable. No, especially if he talks on his podcast the way these texts are. I don't know how so many people listen to that. I know. And by the way,

did you see Spotify just released their, um, they never released their numbers, but they did just release what the top subscribe shows to subscribe to shows are, which really is kind of like a meaningless figure. You can have a ton of subscribers and nobody listens to your podcast, but a bunch of people listen to your podcast, but they just don't subscribe. So it kind of is a meaningless number. But Huberman is like officially the number two podcast. Oh no, he was number three after TED Talks. But I don't like to consider like The Daily and NPR or all of these. I don't like to consider them actual competitors. I think it's more impressive like to be a billion dollar media company. Yeah, you better have the biggest podcast. So I think of like Joe Rogan, Huberman like people starting their own shtick. So impressive and Huberman was right behind Joe Rogan. Well I think

that makes sense because I think a lot of Huberman's audience came from Joe Rogan who already listened to podcasts on Spotify because he like goes on Joe Rogan so often. I think that's where he got his start. I think it was too. Yeah Huberman was always just like an idea to me and I'm glad to know that actually what I thought Huberman was is what he does talking about sunlight drinking water to have a energetic energy okay but what is he saying about coffee the video that was what was the thesis you don't drink coffee or do drink coffee do drink coffee but not immediately after you wake up said, minimum 10 minutes you have to go by after you wake up. Who the fuck drinks coffee within 10 minutes of waking up? Within five.

Oh, a lot of people. Like, a lot of people do it before they brush their teeth. Pee? No, you pee, brush your teeth. And then you have to brew it. Like, it takes a few minutes. And I think, like, you should get your sunlight in before that. Something like that.

I don't think that 10-minute thing is a real tip. Because thing is a real tip because that's duh also don't you roll over and who wakes up immediately yeah yeah I definitely think like the Huberman lifestyle is like probably not for us but I think a lot of it is actually pretty obvious based on what you're saying I think Hubermeisters wake up immediately though because I think like snoozing and scrolling on your phone is against Hubermeister productivity is immediately though, because I think like snoozing and scrolling on your phone. Is against Hubermeister productivity. Is bad for productivity. And I agree with that. And like,

see like, you know, bad news. Oh my God, Jackie, we're already over an hour. Oh my God, this is the second story.

We talked about Hubermeister for 40 minutes. I can talk about it more. We did P. Diddy. I forgot about that. I'm not done with Huberman. I'm never going to be done with Huberman. I've never, look at the man.

Like, I'm obsessed. Will never be done. My king right there. No no i'm totally kidding no no but these are the unintended consequences of dumb fucking journalism like that and it's like aren't these journalists like embarrassed to be falling into this trope of like oh someone gets successful overnight let's go find their tweets and talk to a next girlfriend like don't you want to be taken seriously as a writer because you're a joke now like this kind of behavior gets rewarded in the world of journalism and they do get taken seriously as writers in their own little

world bubble so i'm sure it was a good day for the author but i don't know i was seeing like a lot of the reaction tweets but the author was a woman yes i see her not that it matters I just wanted to know yeah it felt like it was written by a woman and I do mean that in a negative way no it would have I mean I it would be weird if a man wrote this like about women like it's women's voice I think it's appropriate that it was written by a woman I agree I was kidding yeah so that's the latest we'll wait for Huberman to release a statement or a video I know by the way do you think what is Hubermeister's PR strategy going to be like just on to the next he obviously like the only place he would really say something is his podcast he doesn't like seem like the type of person to release a statement on Instagram I don't know it

depends how much he cares about public opinion if he's really like a renegade, he's like, fuck him. Well, sometimes people do care about public opinion, but these types of situations where they get like attacked by the media, turn them into like a renegade, fuck them. Yeah. That's how a lot of people end up renegades. I just don't think,

I don't know, how old is he? 40 something professor, like that he's gonna crawl into the shell over this. I don't think he's gonna give a fuck, honestly. And if he is as nutty as the article made him seem, he won't care. I don't know, actually. If he's as nutty as the article made him seem,

he's gonna freak out. No, because she really alluded many times to him being a narcissist. And narcissists love attention, like even if it's bad, Tom Sandoval. Well, I also think that this article aside from us like has not had the intended effect agreed I think a lot of people are reading right through this and being like okay yeah if this were my boyfriend I wouldn't like this but this is someone's personal

business no also a lot of people feel like this article was paid for by big pharma because Huberman is very much like anti-pharma, you know, bettering yourself through wellness and nature. And he has a really enormous influence and he might be hurting Big Pharma. That's the kind of conspiracy theory I like. Yeah, it's giving dope sick, you know? They're trying to take down Huberman because Huberman's getting people off medication.

Yeah. Claudia, you just cracked the case wide open. I mean did it that's what people were saying they cracked the case yeah because you know he's like go eat a plant instead of taking an anvil things like that and if you live well then you'll you'll find that you don't need as much as much medication and all those things so just glad we got to the bottom of that me too it's always big pharma so true are you ready for our next story i just want to make sure like your camera's still recording and stuff i just get like yeah you know so far yeah me and jackie were saying yesterday before the show that we feel like we're due for a tech issue a tech holiday if it went off during humor meister recap i would have been so upset so i'm glad we're still good we're still good our next story our next three are like you know light pop culture so we'll try

to keep it under two hours suki waterhouse and robert pattinson have welcomed their bebe they confirmed the arrival of their first child on a sweet family stroll in L.A. this week. It's really, really, really hard to see people out here living your dream. Like, for real, this one hurt. And I actually happen to really like Suki Waterhouse, which softens the blow. But it's tough. Like that family stroll, I think they had the bugaboo, you know, whatever everyone has. No, so I don't recognize this stroller emblem, which is curious to me.

I love seeing what kind of strollers people have. I'm obsessed with strollers. And it looks like a Bugaboo or UPPAbaby, but it's not. So I wonder what it is. Well, I'm sure a mom group has figured it out, you know? Yeah, maybe it's a British brand. Yeah, but they were in LA, no? Yeah, but maybe, like, because they're such British emblems,

there's, like, a British baby brand sent them stuff. And I feel like them having this baby sort of quietly and not announcing it, the only reason we know is because they went for a stroll and took a picture. Like this baby could be a month old. We don't even know. So elite of them. They are so chic and so fabulous. And again, that should be me holding his hand that should be me birthing his babe but

I'm happy for them me too they hadn't announced the gender but I think because they went for the pink stroller it's a girl oh I guess that's like yeah yeah very heteronormative of us no not heteronormative it's heteronormative of us. No, not heteronormative. It's heteronormative of us to assume, but I think. I think it's a safe assumption. It's a fair assumption. Yeah. What do we think the name is going to be? They're so, you know.

Oh, it's definitely going to be something like. Archer. Oh, no, that's a little. That's a little serious. I feel it would be more something like willow. Tree. Rain. What'd you say? Tree pain i said rain oh but sunny water something breezy like that stream breezy i love the name breezy breezy pattinson love probably breezy waterhouse

pattinson that's that's a mouthful. There are a couple that I would like to know their baby name. Me too. Because this is so oddly traditional of them. And I feel like as two individuals, they're so unorthodox in so many ways. Very artistic, free spirit energy. So them just like, you know,

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Thank you, Latour Deleu. You're welcome. Our next story is a little movie news. Timothee Chalamet has transformed into Bob Dylan on set of the new Bob Dylan biopic. I didn't realize he was playing him. I had saw this on like TikTok or something. But Timothy will star as the folk musician in the upcoming film called A Complete Unknown. He was spotted, photographed Sunday, spotted strolling

around New York City's Chelsea neighborhood in another outfit reminiscent of Dylan's wardrobe. of Dylan's wardrobe? I feel like to be a male actor right now is to lose a role to Timothee Chalamet. Like, is he ever not cat? Like, he's literally the biggest movie star. June, Wonka, he's everything. He's literally the biggest movie star. How did that happen?

He's always filming. I don't know. He's so tiny. Yeah. I feel like it's so actually emblematic of our generation, well, of this generation, where like what we find to be like the most attractive male. Like prior to this, we had our, you know, Miles Teller, our Brad Pitts,

our big, strong, strapping men. And now like styles have changed. Like skinny, short, kind of like feminine men are the vibe. And that's Timothee Chalamet. He is like his generation's bond you know yeah he is 5'10 so it's not short but it's not it's short for it's short for like the you know the beauty standard but i also feel like sometimes men in hollywood are short like tom cruise yes yes they're shorter than you think yeah what's kylie's height Do you think they're still together? She's 5'6". She's shorter than I thought.

Are they still together? I don't know. I hope so. I hope so too. They're my favorite couple now. Like I was just into them but I'm into whoever Kylie's into. You know?

It's true. Like when her and Travis were like really like public and they did that Vogue thing where they like sat and answered questions about each other. Like I was obsessed.

Yeah. So she makes me like whoever she likes. Yeah, that's true. I think they're still together. Now, Bob Dylan. This is going to be like one of the most embarrassing things I'm ever going to say. I'm not saying it because I'm thinking it. Okay.

Bob Dylan isn't black? I think I get Bob Dylan confused with Bob Marley. Yes, yes. Who the fuck is Bob Dylan? Who the fuck is Bob Dylan? I don't know. I think he's a folk singer. Let me pull him up on Spotify.

I'm 90% sure that Bob Dylan is actually Jewish. And he's like a very famous, proud Jew whose work we should know. And I do know that he sings. He's the one who originally wrote that Adele song to make you feel my love are you sure about that why would he know oh he wrote oh wow okay okay Claudia we're really dumb knocking on heaven's door knock knock knocking but that to me that could have been Bob Marley like a rolling stone not familiar blowing in the wind is that the answer my friend is blowing in the wind yes the answer is blowing in the wind um Hurricane every song is called Hurricane by the way make you feel my love yes or no no no I just went to his Spotify Bob Dylan why would he have written that song

I think he wrote it and like it was you know successful for him but then Adele covered it and like now everyone thinks it's Adele's song oh oh my gosh yes yeah no I'm like smart like that excuse me that's not Adele original oh no you didn't know that no oh my god no that song always makes me think of that episode of after finn died we used to sing in the car and i used to sing alone oh so sad um yeah he wrote that song and adele covered it and like popularized it that's like that just knocked me off my feet yeah okay so yeah bob dylan Let me see Bob Dylan Jew. He, yeah, he is Jewish.

It's all coming back to me now, but I definitely confuse him and Bob Marley. Yeah, me too. Because I thought there would be more backlash over Timothee Chalamet playing Bob Dylan. Oh yeah. If Bob Dylan. Big Jew, big Jew.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I feel like actually I need to see this movie given the fact that I know nothing. Do you think that the actor should have been a Jew? Timothee Chalamet is Jewish. He is Jewish.

No, I was going to say I thought there would be backlash because I thought Bob Dylan was black. I'm like, Timothee Chalamet playing this great black artist, where's the outrage?

Yeah. No, Claudia. I was wrong. I was wrong. Oh, so it's a good casting. Yes, and actually I feel like we should see this movie because it sounds like you know we need to respect Bob Dylan a little bit more for sure so we will see the movie yeah yeah it's like I wouldn't know anything about Johnny Cash if I never saw Walk the Line it's so true a biopic it's important really really um I can't know

everything about everyone I'm sorry okay so true what's like a a biopic what's your favorite movie biopic that's a good question because we loved walk the line growing up we did I need to see a list of biopics yeah yeah like Elvis obviously that's definitely not my favorite it wasn't a great it was a good movie but not like an amazing biopic what Elvis yeah I agree because it was like not serious no and like learning someone's start to finish like how their career went is fascinating I don't like when movies uh zone in on like two weeks in someone's life oh totally okay this list of biopics is like not what I am looking for because they're not all, like, famous people in that sense.

Yeah. I watched the, uh... Like, The Wolf of Wall Street is technically a biopic. Oh, my God. People, I hate when Google, like, doesn't get us. It doesn't understand the assignment. So annoying. Biopic movies.

Oh, Secretariat, that was a great bi biopic that's not what I'm talking about like Selena was a very good biopic it was yeah and educational you know oh look what's here already one life lol oh I mean you know Bohemian Rhapsody and Elton. But no I wouldn't like those were really popular biopics but in terms of like being really good and deep. They were just like fun. Yeah and like beautiful. Yeah. Like really well done. I feel like honestly Walk the Line from everything I'm seeing.

Walk the Line was really good was really good yeah okay they're saying amadeus also about mozart but i heard that wasn't good and i oh where'd you read that on your mozart fan fiction forum and like did you even know there was one oh it's from 1984 so it's like you probably would love it you should watch it maybe i will report back i want a two-page essay on avidius okay that is funny yeah like oh i tanya that's not what i'm talking about i agree i agree it's not move on please i can't with the research like we're getting nowhere the greatest showman yeah done okay fifth and final story yeah the bachelorette has been named and it is the first Asian leading lady for season 21 Jen Jen Tran who was a contestant from Joey season which I saw just ended um she has been named the leading lady for the bachelorette season 21

I feel like the bachelor this season like low- was making waves i feel like loki it was good loki classic when i say loki i feel like tom hiddleston loki that's his character right i think so that's yeah loki that's how i say it um bachelor the bachelor looks good this season Lucky, that's how I say it. Bachelor. The Bachelor looks good this season. Yeah, well, it's over and I just saw who won, so. I saw pictures, but I feel like I wouldn't know if I,

like if I had a sick day soon, I think I might binge The Bachelor. Oh, that's kind of crazy. It's over. Like, please don't waste your time binging something that you can't recap on the podcast. Oh, that's so true. But, unless I did it like tomorrow and I could recap the whole season. But no, also, I can't watch week to to week though I can't do that for The Bachelor no it's insufferable like I won't go back there I don't care if it's like keeping up with The Bachelor was some of the

worst years of my life like I will you cannot make me go back there I don't care if it's the best shit on the planet now I'm at a place where I'll see like headlines about two people from like bachelor in paradise i think they just got engaged and like i don't know the name never heard the name before never saw this person like i'm so out where i feel like for a while it was still like residual people yeah now i've cycled through and these all are new but i do think like if you are a bachelor watcher like this was a good season yeah i think so too because i saw people talking about it and i haven't seen people talking about it in probably two three years and also even that story made headlines where he said that it had a Joey grabbed Zadina no and he was funny and cute like and dumb like I liked it Malta had an old school vibe Malta does have an old school vibe and I feel that Joey

I do yeah and so now their next leading lady I think people are really excited about she looks adorable and fabulous I hope that they're having a renaissance over there I just think it's funny the bachelor like it's 2020 whatever like is still having their first this first that like they are so behind and they're catching up and oh you know what I was actually thinking about the other day the way that we got like a quiet on set I feel like we need something about like bachelor nation at its height the I think we need like the rise and fall of Bachelor Nation, including like Mike Fleiss, the Chris Harrison thing. Like we need a, like what the fuck happened?

How do you go from being literally like the biggest phenomenon in pop culture, like literally setting the tone, every celebrity watching your show, millions, like literally even a bad season had like 7 million viewers. And this was post the cable peak. Like what what the fuck like I need an explanation on what happened in documentary format I wonder what it was like a lot of people blame the Chris Harrison drama

but I feel like it was over before that yeah like when was it over for you? Claire Crawley. I think that this is when it's over for me. But I watched Matt James' season. Was that after? Yeah. I watched two. And then who was after Matt James? I feel like it was Claire after. No. Because Matt was on Claire's season, no? Hold on. Who?

Yeah. List of bachelorettes. Who? Clayton. We definitely didn't watch that, but I feel like there was someone before that. Who came after Matt James? Who was the girl?

Bachelorette. Oh, they had the two. Okay, Claudia. It was like michelle young gabby and um oh yeah no that girl claudia what's her name the pilot no no no that we're after after gabby and rachel no but for matt james's season claudia katie with the dildo yeah so i think i i might have finished matt james's season and left it at that and then I didn't watch Katie after Katie it was Katie and then Michelle and I didn't watch Katie

yeah did you watch Michelle? no so then I stopped that was the last I watched so if I had to blame someone like for me it would be Katie damn

that to me would be an enticing documentary I also feel like there was a lot that went on behind the scenes. And I think a lot of the leads have their NDAs have run out. And I think a lot of them would, if they're no longer involved in the franchise. I feel like a lot of them had weird things with Mike Fleiss. Like, I want to hear. Yes, I agree with you. It's ripe for nefarious behavior.

But I also feel like a lot of the bachelor people especially former bachelor people who don't have NDAs like they have platforms and they have podcasts and if they had a story that they wanted to tell they're they're in the business of storytelling and they would have perhaps perhaps so I don't know how much there there is that we don't actually already know. I feel like we know a lot. We do. I feel like it is what you think it is. Like the show Unreal. Exactly.

Even when Unreal came out, it made The Bachelor look so bad. The Bachelor was so big, it couldn't be taken down. Like how do you go from that to being the most relevant show? And it was made by former Bachelor producers. So you knew they were like harping on real experiences. Yeah. So that was today's Fast Five. I had such a blast. I love when the stories give. I just don't think we could call it the Fast Five. The fastidious. What does that mean?

Like stalwart i feel like that works the stalwart five even though that's like not what we were trying to say but that's a good word fastidious very attentive to and concerned about accuracy and detail i would say that's us the fastidious five and then what's stalwart loyal reliable and hard working that's us. The Fastidious Five. And then what's Stalwart? Loyal, reliable, and hard working. Also good. Also applies. The Fastidious Stalwart Five. Thank you guys so much for listening to the Toast and Lannan Morning Show where we tell you the past five stories you need to know every Monday through Friday on YouTube.

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