The Toast - Does Djerf Have The Cream?: Tuesday, April 7th, 2026

Episode Date: April 7, 2026

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It's Jackson, Claude and neighbor show the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off, swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy Tuesday. Speaking of choosing, let me introduce you to my life partner who I've chosen to do life with. Yeah, it's Jacqueline Volley. Hey, Jax, how you derr? I'm durn good. How fun for you that you get to come up with like an intro for me every day. I never really thought about it.

Like, I would have so much fun with that. It's so, like, Jason and Travis of us. Like, when they introduce 600 pounds from New York New, you know how they do, like, that whole thing, like a wrestle? I would never include your weight, though. Thank you. You know what I just found out? Me are 100 pounds.

Oh, really? I weigh 75. You're so fat. You know what I just found out? What? If you live in California, they put your weight on your identification card license. Are you sure? That doesn't sound like the truth.

You know what? Not even because like it's so... But my friend Margo told me and she's like smart. Not even because like we're so precious about our weight. Does your license have your weight on it? Question mark? But your weight changes every day, week to week, month to month. Like that's irrelevant.

Of course. Yeah, of course. A license should have like permanent statistics like your eye color and height. Yeah. I think it's wrong. No. In California, your driver's license does include your weight. Here's how it works.

The weight listed is self-reported. Lull. It's not verified or measured by the DMB. You can update it. at any time you renew or request a replacement if it changes significantly. Oh yeah, once I gain weight, the first thing I'm doing is going to the DMV.

Actually, if I lose weight, I'm not carrying around something with my old weight. That is such a useless thing to have. Like, no wonder they have like billions and like lost taxpayer dollars. Where does the money go? It's like them printing out people's irrelevant weights. You got to tell Spencer Pratt.

That's like a campaign promise. I'll remove weights from identification cards. That would be like my whole platform. That means everybody needs a new ID. it's also wasteful. Like maybe going forward, we don't have it. But like you have to do with the spending coaches. Cardboard.

One thing about me, I'm always thinking about the spending. Look at the mirror. Okay, you're not thinking about the spending. I'm sitting here being the one thinking about the spending. You're never thinking about spending. Like I literally, I get kept up at night about the spending. I don't know. You went to St. Bartz.

Like, I didn't even do that. I know. I did go to St. Barts. It's so true. One time Claudia went to St. Barton was like the most extravagant thing she's ever done. Yeah, I was like, it was my Hail Mary.

Actually, I saw the Taylor's over the weekend who I went to St. Bart Smith. And I said to them, like, that was the best thing we ever did. It was right before I got pregnant. Like, it was my last hurrah. And I looked at my credit card bill, like, with Taylor Strekker. And, like, we both looked at them together after the trip. And hers was double mine. So, like, I don't even feel bad.

Yeah, but I just like to, like, hold that over your head when you, like, throw stones, when you throw stones. No, because I'm not cheap. Like, I have multiple burkins. You know, that's not cheap people don't do that. I'm just a fiscally responsible person. Like, I don't think that's crazy. Yeah.

Yeah. Getting emotional just talking about this. You are? I did something crazy last night. Oh, God. What is it now? What did you watch? So, do you remember the show Jerry?

Do you? No. That's actually crazier than doing meth. I, even though I did see a video this morning being like, oh, if you're new to Ashley I Kennedy, like, here's her backstory on how her and her husband met. And I was there. for it. I watched all those scenes in the bachelor. We were right there front row seat. But it's actually insane how they met. Like the 10 years long, her begging him to love her. Him being like,

girl, I do not like you. I will never like you. I have never liked you. Like, please go find someone else for 10 years. She finally meets someone else. Kevin, the firefighter, who's now married to Astrid. And the second she gets into her relationship, he's like, wait, I like you. And they get married. Like, it's insane. I didn't realize Kevin. Yeah. was what it took. And so they're actually like going through marital issues I've heard on the premiere of Rhode Island. And it's not surprising given how they met.

No, no. But first of all, I don't hold that against them. And even though like, like I said last week, I don't understand people who are like deep friends for so long, boys and girls, straight, both single. And then it occurs to them to be together. Like, I can't understand that. There are marital issues from what I've seen like seem very like normal. He is struggling in his profession.

He owns a coffee shop that he started as like, you know, like a celebrity coffee shop. And he works really hard at it. I saw a scene where they're trying to have a conversation. He just like is calling out orders and like. Macho latte. Yeah. He's like can't stop moving to like save his coffee shop. And because he's like not having professional success, like it makes him feel kind of like a zero.

And he just isn't bringing to the relationship. Like it's really on him because she's not mad at him about it. But then like, you know, all of the breadwinning is on her. And I think it's like very normal stuff. Well, it's going to get worse because she's about to make more money as a housewife. But maybe it will be good for their coffee shop. And everyone can see how hard he works and how much dedication he puts into every beam. So I did something crazy last night.

Do you remember the show Jerry Dutie? That guy Ronald, like they did the whole break. So they did a second season. And I have been hearing some things. I won't say I heard a lot. But like me and Ben were looking for something new. We liked it last time. And so they've changed the premise.

It's called Jerry Duty presents. not couples retreat, company retreat. So it's about this really sweet guy named Anthony who gets, he's a temp. And he gets a temping job at this small hot sauce company. It's like a family-owned business. And they're filming it very much like the office.

It's like parody. And when he got the job, he found out that like their big annual company retreat is coming up. And he's going to be the assistant for the guy who runs the retreat. The retreat is like this thing they all wait for every year. It's like such a big deal. And this year they're like bringing a documentary crew to like, you know, film the retreat.

And it is so not believable. Like it's like almost slapstick comedy. It's so stupid. Like on the first episode, the guy who he's like temping for, proses to this girl who is also at the company. And she's like, we're not even dating.

And like he thought they were dating. Like it was so stupid. And they're all making, like they're all in on it except for the temp. They're all professional actors. They go to the retreat. The people working at the retreat or actors. It's like this big elaborate thing.

And I just want to say it's bad. It's bad. Like the jury duty thing was so incredible. It was such a feat in pranking. It was such a feat in television making. This whole courtroom was wired, like completely fake. It was brilliant. And I just wish they just let it be.

You know what I mean? They would never have just let it be, but they couldn't achieve it again. And now in hindsight, I'm like, seriously, what's the point? What's the point? The point was to make TV and also that guy, Ronald became a star. Like, I didn't have this sort of existential feeling. Extreme trust issues now everywhere.

Yes. I also felt when I was watching this guy, Anthony is so sweet, right? And I was like, well, this is actually mean. Yeah, it's stupid and there's no purpose. It doesn't sound remotely in tight. Like, I remember Jerry Tudy. I will not finish it. Ha ha, ha. Cool that you did that.

Yes, exactly. Cool that you did that. This, like, is bad. Don't do it again. I just feel like no one's going to tell you what, like, that you need to know that the show is bad. You not watch it. And it also has commercials because it's like. that Amazon freebie thing.

Like I'm out. Freebie. Out. Because one thing I mean, I'm cardboard cogi, but I do not skirt on those premium subscriptions. I just cancel them when I no longer need them. I did have to just resubscribe to Apple Plus because your friends and neighbors is out, although one episode. What are you doing?

Oh, I'll wait. John Ham is everywhere. He's on Watchman's Live. I keep watching. He did this big video with Harper's Bazaar. Like he's press, press, press. And it worked. It worked on me.

Oh, yeah. Your new show is out. Let me go get Apple Plus. And only one episode. Like I'm literally about to start canceling the subscription between episodes. Like that's insane. Not to make their day, but they should have like a resubscription fee so that it actually becomes more financially burdensome for you to cancel and resubscribe. Why would you say that?

Because I'm a business woman. It ain't your business. I'm just, I'm just a little bit. Fine. Should we put that on Patreon? I kind of love that. Like, no, don't. Why? Like we're not going to

Because we're not going to because we don't like mess with the Patreon price plan But like kind of brilliant Kind of brilliant Oh update from yesterday my car was not towed There wasn't even a ticket So that's how I know like the Lord was on my side yesterday And I actually later in the day Ended up getting a manicure and I sat down with my headphones in

And I listened to the toast because it's such a good podcast And I could sense like I was very tense Like it was sort of like a ball of tension It was radiating through the screen. Today I am free. I am relaxed. I am uncletched. What do you want to do?

What do you want to talk about? Everyone will be so excited because dear toasters. Yeah, it's going to be in a lofty. So just lock in. Yeah, it should be in a lofty if things go to plan. But let me ask you something like, did you really park in the middle of the street after all? Yeah.

Yeah. Next time you had to take a picture of the park job. In hindsight, it was really nutty. You probably just parked. No. It wasn't even a spot. I wish we had a picture. I think it's just actually a testament to how poorly New York City has run

because I absolutely should have been towed. It was civilly disobedient. Budget cuts. Yeah, it was bad for pedestrians. It was bad for everything. Wait, I have to tell you about what's going on on TikTok. There's really like actually crazy drama. Is it about the person who's trying to cancel Sally over my dead body?

No. It's worse. Actually, it's really bad. What? So you know Noah back, right? Yes. Oh, his sister? Yeah.

Wait, tell me the story. I saw a headline, but I was just like, I felt uncomfortable. I've been seeing headlines, like, circulating. And then this morning, I always put my TikTok, like, I have my Octobuddy, like, stuck to the mirror and I scroll TikTok. It's how I, like, actually do research before the show. Today I learned about the astronauts go into space. Did you see they named that bright spot on the moon after that guy's husband, wife,

Carol? I want to call myself. Like, so cute. So I learned about things, and then I come and bring them up on the toes. So I got stuck in, like, a Haley Beck algorithm today, and you guys, it's really fucking mad. So what did she do? So literally she was just arrested. Her house was searched because she was having an inappropriate relationship with a student. Right. That's what I'm. And so she's a teacher in I think Arizona where they're from. How old is she? That's a really good question. It's

and then like how old is the student like not to like just to set the scene. She's 27. Okay. So actually she's a part of a, the student was 18. So like 10 years younger than her. Two high school teachers were accused of sexual misconduct with the same student. And one of them was Haley Beck, sister of famed TikToker and Baywatch star, all roads lead back to Baywatch, Noah Beck. That's really crazy. So what's crazy is that there was this girl on TikTok, so literally as I'm blowing out my hair this morning,

she was reading the text messages because all this is coming out in the deposition. And first of all, the text messages are insane. Like, she's like fully admitting to having like a full sexual relationship with this child. and it's actually crazy because if you read the text messages, the girl was saying it. Like, this is so crazy because also, like, the student is low-key funny. Like, in the text messages,

he is, like, not interested in her. It's crazy. She's, like, chasing down this child who wants nothing to do with her. And every time she keeps writing these, like, long messages to him before a bed, and she's like, even though you never say it back, I love you. Oh, my God.

It's like, girl, not you're like a pedophile who can't even get it. Yeah. It's so insane. I want to look at a picture of her. The text messages are insane, so cringe, so disgusting, so sexual. So it's like a pedophile. Like she's also cringe. She's also cringed.

She's like unsuccessful. You know what I mean? Yeah. I'm not really seeing like photos of her. Oh, really? I've seen a thousand of her. Oh, okay. Google Haley, Noah Beck.

I feel bad for Noah Beck. Like everyone's like, no, are you going to speak out? Like seriously, leave him alone. Yeah. Imagine finding out your sister's a pedophile. Like that's insane. That's really crazy. I'm looking like she just looks like a regular girl.

She just looks like a regular girl. She literally looks like someone's sister. Yeah. It's a crazy story. Oh my God. I think that they are. He goes home a lot. Like he's always making TikToks with his family.

I think that they are close. Oh my God. Like please leave Noah Beck alone. Like I can't even imagine what he's going through. Like this is so disgusting. Over 4,000 text messages. And they're all her. She's like, I cried myself to bed last night thinking of you.

And he was like, you're weird. Can you pick me up from the airport, please? Like, he literally will write to her like, you are weird, you are gross. Like, I kind of am obsessed with the student just based on his disposition in the text messages. You're obsessed with him? Oh, God. Sorry. Sorry.

Sorry. It's giving Haley back. Stop. Stop. Actually, not funny. I'm having, like, a toxic relationship with my fan today. Like, when it comes on, I'm too cold. When I turn it off, I'm so hot.

Oh, I'm sorry. Such is life, you know? Well, yeah, that's really crazy and like, fucked up. No, it's so fucked up. Damn. So that's what I learned on my morning scroll. And I also learned about the astronauts who are currently orbiting like the closest to the moon anybody's ever gotten. And it's like very, it's like a big deal.

And it's like very emotional. Yeah. Are they landing on the moon? Is that the plan? No, I believe that they're orbiting it, like taking picks of things that have never been seen, like landmarks on the moon. And they found this crater that like comes off as a bright spot when you look at the moon. And because they're the first to have discovered it, they're naming it after one of the astronauts' deceased wife who died of cancer.

Her name is Carol. So it's called the Carol. They got to the moon pretty quickly, don't you find? It's just been a couple of days. Yeah. What's the machine called? Artemis. Is that what it's called?

Yeah. Yeah. Sounds like a homeware brand. Artemis. Arthouse. And I'm, yeah, our house. That's how I'm thinking. I also am confused.

Like, who, whose is this, you know? I think because I haven't heard. I feel like it's giving NASA because I haven't really heard like Elon or anyone else talking about it. Zuck or who's the other one, Richard Branson. And I believe the hashtag for the journey is hashtag NASA Moon Crew. Oh, they're like obviously are having a branding issue. And I've decided to put their whole, you know, Nassi.

Into this particular rocket chip. Okay, Sly. I mean, NASA is the OG. Yeah. they kind of got eclipsed from, you know, branding and just so sure, like Slay. Yeah. I also think, you know, always was back to funding. One of my favorite episodes of Young Sheldon is when Young Sheldon in like the 80s claims

that he's figured out, like, how to go to space. It's like a simple math equation that NASA hasn't figured out. So he makes his dad drive him to like the NASA headquarters. He bangs outside the door. And the guy's like, I'll take a look. And he gives him his composition notebook. And you know, like, I never took a look. And then they fast forward 20 years later when they do accomplish the feat.

of whatever it is, like orbiting the moon or something. Which is sending a rocket to space and then having it land. They used to just fall into the water and that was it. And break and it was like billions of dollars worth of equipment just in the garbage. Yeah. Right. And I watched that documentary actually on Netflix. It's an amazing

documentary about the first time Elon sent a rocket to space that safely landed back. Yeah. But they had an episode of Sheldon where 20 years in the future actually Elon had stolen the composition notebook that Sheldon wrote. And it was like he's stole Sheldon's idea. And Elon's actually in the episode. It's very, very funny.

It is. It really is. Oh, funny stuff. Young Sheldon, that was a good time. The best. Our young Sheldon era. I love that show. Yeah.

I just love that show. I could actually talk about it all day. I watched it when I was so pregnant with Charlie. And I remember we were living in New York and the couch that we were like living on was so uncomfortable and like it sort of like ruined the show for me. I just remember like the feeling of like, you know, can't get comfy. of course. So I had to stop watching.

But maybe I'm ready now. He's like two and a half. Maybe I'm ready. And you have to finish it because the ending of Young Cheldon is like so insane. Okay. But the crazy part about Young Sheldon. No, and don't tell me.

The crazy part is that he grows up to be like the most annoying person on Big Bang Theory. And what's so on Big Bank Theory, he grows up to be the most annoying person on Young Sheldon. Because I think they're developing him into the person that you see on Big Bang Theory. Which is like this socially inept, annoying person.

Like rude. But the great thing is that I think that the showrunners, like, become very aware that Sheldon's character is really unlikable after, like, the third season. And they really build out, they develop the other characters, his grandma, his dad. George and Mandy.

Yeah, you learn to love the other so much that Sheldon's barely in the show towards the end. Well, it's cute on a kid, right, to be, like, smart and her co-ish. It's the brand stark effect, because then the actor goes through puberty, and it's, like, not cute or funny anymore. No, but it's also, like, then you have like this teenager who's always, like,

telling you're stupid. Like, yeah. It's cute when a kid does it. Let's get into the story, shall we? You feel prepared? We've got to do today. We've got your toasters. We do. We've got it all.

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Thank you, Ter Insurance. You'll welcome insured Insurance. Our first story, new cover of Vogue, Merrill Streep and Anna Wintour cover Vogue together. Oh, wait, I didn't even see this. In honor of the Devil Wears Prada, too. Oh, wait, that's like kind of huge. It is kind of huge. Not only, like, are they honoring Devil Wares Prada, but Anna is on the cover.

Has she ever been on the cover before? Definitely not. Oh, wait, wow. Oh, and Meryl's on the cover, like, in character as Miranda. She's got the Miranda hair and everything. Yeah, yeah. So, ahead of the release, Marry, Strip and Adamantor posed together for a very special cover of Vogue,

both dressed in Prada, Devil Wears Prada. The shoot was done by Annie Leibovitz. She photographed the pair, while Greta Gerwig spoke with the duo for the interview. Oh, she's not the director of Devil Wears Prada. She's just like a huge fan. Yeah, and so like she wrote the interview, which I feel like is a good get.

They talked about the future of fashion, Life in one 70s because all three women, including Annie Leibovitz, are 76. And then there's also like fab pictures of them in the back of a limo. Yeah. Oh my God. This is like really iconic. I feel like I actually can't remember like a Vogue cover that I actually felt was like really culturally relevant and like shocking.

This is shocking to you. Like this is really good. Yeah. It's especially shocking because Anne is in it. I don't know why. Obviously. If it was just Merrill Streep like that would be like, okay, they're really, you know, going all in on the movie, which they already were. But the fact that it's the two of them, it's like in all the years.

years that she's run Vogue, she, like, never really put herself on the cover and stuff. So, like, that's cool. And it's funny that, like, I find Meryl more, like, to me, she's the editor-in-chief of Vogue. Do you know what I mean? Even in the pictures. Anna than Anna. Yes, yes. And it's probably because she plays this, like, outsized character of her.

And she's an actress. Like, this is so fab. Fab, Fab, Fab, Fab. I love this. Yeah. Have you been hearing about the book Strangers? Like, everyone's talking about it? Did Lauren Elizabeth just post about it?

Oh, actually, yes, I think she did. Okay, so that's the only thing I heard about it. She said that everybody's reading it, but that she read it before everyone did. Yeah, that must be frustrating. Everyone's reading it, everyone's talking about it. The book has now been optioned and Gwyneth's going to play the lady. And I saw the lady was interviewed by Oprah.

Wait, I'm going to put it on my TBR one second. It's about a divorce. And I think it's like what happened to this woman. I don't know what happened, but something. Strangers, I wish I chose it for redheads. Maybe the next person next year can choose it. next year it's just called strangers no yeah yeah it's not it's not no it's not no it's not coming up let me go to lord and elizabeth yes it is who's all reading it everyone everyone who's

anyone i'm telling you it's called strangers it's called strangers great i'm glad we cleared that up if i can pain me ass bitch like but it's not coming up on good reads one second A Memoir of Marriage. Okay. Want to read. Sorry, back to this cover. I just want to say I think this is so fabulous. And we were talking about, because when they presented Annie Hathaway and Anna Wintor at the,

well, is it the Oscars, we were saying that like this could, you know, there is a line where I think like you engage too much and it's like not funny anymore. I do think this is a very like highbrow way of engaging and I think it's like very fun and it's extremely attorney approved. Yeah, they were also talking about how for the first movie They really couldn't get like any wardrobe Or they had a hard time like dressing Miranda Because no designers wanted to work with them

Because they didn't want to piss off Anna They were afraid So it is like a little A little losery To do such an about face Like because the first movie was like You're saying on Anna's part Yeah to go from like completely like shunning this movie

Blacklisting it like where they even invited to the Mecala To them for the second one To not just like give it your stamp of approval But to be so involved She's probably in the movie, by the way. Yeah, for sure. To be so involved because it was like amazing and cool. And like you didn't have the foresight to like see that beforehand.

Like it's just touch a loser. Yeah, I also think that when the movie was coming out, she was probably in hell. Like, you know, that assistant is based on a book, right? Yeah. So this former assistant of her like wrote this like tell all memoir. It's a nightmare. It's a nightmare. And then the book gets optioned, right?

And Anne Hathaway and Meryl Streep. Like I'm sure this was like a five year long nightmare. for Anna Wintourn, she obviously didn't realize that it would end up kind of becoming a legacy thing for her. Her not engaging with it, I also think was better because it made us all believe that it was probably based in truth. And so, yeah, now I agree. Like, it does have a losery element to it, but I'm having fun.

Of, like, bandwagon, like, couldn't, like, see the success that it would be before it happened. But I can also recognize, like, as a human, you know, she's a tough thing for a girl to go through. It's a nightmare. She's just, like, a woman, you know? She is this, like, icy fig. No, and they did make Miranda out to be like this monster, but like she's so iconic that it's like you have no choice but to respect her.

And I also think of the movie, okay, I guess like when she turns on Stanley Chucci, like that was bad. No, and also, you know, everyone's like it's disposable to her. She can't remember anyone's name. Like that's not. Well, when you're an icon like that, like I don't think that you need to be remembering people's names until you become memorable. But in this day and age, it's like the worst thing that you can be is like, toxic workplace. Look at Matilda Jerf. Wait, you know what I was thinking about yesterday?

I'm so glad you brought up Matilda Durf. Because when we talk about cancel culture, we talk about how everybody pretty much bounces back more often than not bigger, right? Yeah. But I was thinking, because I ended up weirdly, I sent you a picture, I was on Chrissy Teigen's Instagram. And I do feel like she really has been successfully canceled.

Like her Instagram gets so little engagement. I see her doing things like she would never have done in a prior life. And we forget the level that she was at before. Like she was, you know, safely with Chris Jenner, right? She was just tapped for everything. Everything. And she really, like, I want to say she has been successfully canceled. And so has Matilda Jerf.

I forgot about her. There was a moment, like, where every girl wanted to be Matilda Jerf. Like, if you're a millennial, you might not have heard of her. But she was like the big, she was like becoming an Alex Earl type. She's based in the Netherlands, I think, or Sweden. So she was still like coming to the States. But if you look at her TikTok now, she gets one view. Like literally one view.

Really? Yes. Three comments. And the three comments are all. all about the toxic workplace allegations. I never was a part of Jurf mania. So I can't like say that it was louder then and quieter now. I really don't know. I just like I would see her from time to time.

And then like then she was like a horrible boss. And I don't really know what's happened now. And if it's her brand Jurf Avenue, which like was becoming the biggest thing. Three likes. Like they really. And the comments are just like all still about the toxic workplace. It's just interesting how like I don't feel like having.

going through a scandal really ever affects someone negatively. All in all, it is, unless it's like you killed someone. It is just like a part of the journey. But Matilda Jerf is a great example. And then I was thinking about it last night, Chrissy Teigen. Yeah. But like Chrissy Teigen just got a hosting gig on that show. On Netflix Star Search.

Yeah. No, she's not irrelevant. Right. I feel like for Chrissy Teigen, and I don't know, I can't say what happened to Matilda Jerf, like because I have no idea. But I feel like for Tracy Keegan was more so like, it's not that the industry canceled her. Like she still gets opportunities.

The people. It's the people. It's similar to like Belenciaga where it's like, okay, you can pretend like this is like still a popular brand, but like nobody's buying it. Yeah. That's what, Matilda Jerva, I don't know. And I don't know who her fans were before. And if she cultivated the sort of audience that would be so aghast at the fact.

Like if her whole thing was like kindness, you know, and then it turns out to be the biggest. It was just like fluffy bangs and rode lip peptides. Yeah. She's crazy bangs. She has like the most iconic hair Everybody loves her hair Her hair her makeup her clothes She was like the dairy boy

That's what I keep thinking of it as So it's like if it turned out I think it's a perfect I heard a rumor I texted to do this last night You know there is a lot of drama In like the tennis wags circle Between these two girls

Paige Lorenz and this other girl Morgan But the thing is it's like It's the absence of drama That makes it drama Yeah because they're both They look exactly like They're like twin blonde girls who have the same exact Instagram,

like tennis aesthetic, this whole tennis wag vibe, like they both cultivated it, and they are not friends. Like, they're not friends. So obviously there's drama. And their men are like both top ten. Their mans are friends.

They're at all of the same tournaments because their mans are playing. There is drama. Of course there is because they are never once associated together. And they do the same thing. When I first saw. They go to the same tournaments. They take pictures in the same dresses at Wimbledon.

They have the same sense of style. And it's all very pargy. Like, not many people like operate on that level. So the fact that they... It's a unique aesthetic. Yeah, the fact that they don't ever post together when they're always in the same city and the same, you know, player or hotel,

it's the absence that means the drama. They fucking hate each other, like, confirmed. But the streets are saying that Morgan and her man have broken up, which would leave Paige as the reigning queen of tennis, even though I feel like she won the battle like two years ago, like she is the essential tennis wag. But it looks like Morgan's like,

out of the game because her and her man allegedly broke up, even though her man is technically a better tennis player. He's, like, ranked better than Page's name, but like, it doesn't matter, you know? Yeah. Page is also engaged. Yeah, so that's a major win for a wag. Yeah.

Paige also, like, does merch for Indian Wells with her company. Like, she's so, like. Does she? That's cool. Yeah, like, she did a Dairy Boy collab. Like, when, like, she brings Dairy Boy everywhere and, like, makes it, like, a work event for her. Yeah.

So, yeah, she's very much ingrained in the world. So, yeah, what does that mean? But I feel like at this point, like, Morks has become, like, a, a tennis personality that like she will probably still go to like events and stuff without her man. Oh, I don't agree. I don't agree.

And I think that would be weird. So you think she's never going to go to a tennis match again? Unless you start seeing another player, which I love that for her. That would be drama. That would be drama. No. So yeah, just an update from the sports world. It would be drama if Morgs and her man broke up.

Yeah, I think they did. What makes you think that? I saw it on TikTok. But anyways, Matilda Jirf would be like, yeah, if Paige Lawrence turned out to be like a horrible boss, but like that's why I'm surprised because it's like, say that came out. Oh, she's toxic workplace.

Like, okay, so don't work there. And I just want to say that, call me crazy, but like I don't give a fuck, you know? And like, and I think Matilda Jirf like said this in her statement. I just remember this being like the takeaway. Sort of like that's what it like sort of like to be like a very like tunnel vision intense personality. operating at a high level.

Like Anna, not that she's Anwintore, but like, that's how you get shit done. And I just want to say, whatever she did probably wasn't even that bad. And like, if it was like a boy, no one would care. So please. Yeah. So I don't know why she didn't bounce back. Because if I heard that about like, Paige, I'd be like, okay.

No, Matilda Jerf, like, was a successful cancellation. There's just a few people. Shout off on the comments. Who else do you feel like has been truly successfully canceled? Because for the most part, everyone bounces back. and in hindsight you realize it was kind of like a good thing for your brand, you know, unless you were accused of like rape or murder. Right, right. I'm not talking about like things with like criminal, criminal allegations.

I'm talking about, oh, I ran and turned the street once and she was mean, you know? Yeah, classic. Even that Danielle Bernstein, you cannot, they cannot keep her down. And I just want to say, we didn't talk about it because it was over the holidays, but she called off her engagement. And I just want to say, I love this arc for her where she's sort of like the Evelyn Hugo of the digital world. I think that's actually a great niche for her, and I need her to keep getting engaged and calling off her engagement. Wasn't this her first engagement?

Yeah, but she's like a serial monogamous girl. She's had like five or six really long-term relationships, and it's always, will they, won't they, will they, won't they? And then she did. And now I just like, I think she needs to get married and divorced, you know? I think this is actually great for her in terms of her image, like, bounce back. Well, I was saying she needs to go and call her daddy. She needs to go and call her daddy.

Like, because I feel like nobody knows, like, what happens. And everyone's talking about it. It was like the biggest deal. She doesn't do podcasting that much. Like there are so many rumors. Like both online and in New York, everyone was talking about it. She needs to go on. I'm sorry, she's deeply interesting.

Yeah. That would have been good. I wonder why. I wonder if like it was even in the, anyone thought of it. I get the sense that Danielle actually really does not want to talk about it. Just based on like following her and stuff. I used to be really good friends with her.

I barely know where. So I'm just like saying this is like true culture. commentary. I just get the sense, like her content. She moved on real quick. Like, she's not doing, like, quote cards, you know? Right. There hasn't been a single quote card. You can't keep her down. And that's the thing. Like, who's had more scandals than her? Nobody. But she's deeply interesting. And like, and at the end of the day, she also was a really good style. And like, she does have, like, influence on, like, fashion and like what the girls on the internet are wearing and how they're decorating their homes. So at the end of the day, like, cream rises. Cream rises. But I think,

I thought Jurf was cream. I thought Jurf was cream too. Like, Jirf had the goods. I thought Jurf was cream. Jirf equals creamy. Title. Title and you have to listen to this episode to understand what that meant. Just go walk up to someone in the street and say, I thought Jurf was cream.

And they'll have you institutionalized. The funny thing is like if before this conversation you just said to me, I thought Jerf had the cream. Like, I think I would have been able to figure it out. There are context clues. I thought sure I've had the creet. But so did she not have the crepe? She did.

Like she was like a very much like her brand was like a mix of like road and dairy boy. Yeah. And like roller rabbit. Yeah. Yeah. I guess it wasn't creamy enough. Loving Merrill on the cover. We took that really far.

Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Mm-hmm. Taylor Frankie Paul is leaving the Mormon church reveals panic attacks amid Dakota Morton. and Bachelor's Scandal. She posted saying the last 40 days have felt like hell on earth. So Taylor Frank Paul is emerging online.

Though we know she was lurking, she's now posting. She posted probably a better first follow-up to like the last few weeks, which was like a montage of like her praying and crying and Bible verses and like her spiritual journey that she's been on and how she's turned to God. But she also did include how she's sort of like stepped away from the Mormon church at this time. But she hasn't stepped away from like religion and God.

Yes, yes. And then some people were theorizing that maybe she was kicked out of the church. Yes, definitely. They're like hella strict and this is not good. I think even like a lot of the Salt Lake City Housewives like we're on probation when they started

acting like that on TV. It does feel a bit like she's blaming Mormonism for like her poor decisions, which I don't love. Oh, I didn't get that. I did being like, oh, I'm going to be better now because I'm not Mormon. Oh, oh, I didn't feel. that way.

I've also just like lost a lot of my like patience. Care. Oh care. Yeah. Because I do believe she's like a deeply wounded individual through circumstances that like were not her own. Like maybe she didn't make good decisions but like at the end of the day like she didn't protect her kids. Yeah. And so I just I really want good for her but like I am like I'm sort of laying her to rest and like when you're healed and doing better like sure. come find me.

But I really don't want to get on the roller coaster again. You know, she's kind of erratic, not to use Kyle Richards' words against her. Yeah. Yeah. It's just sad. I mean, we've all moved on to West Mandeval. We really have. Like, this is so old.

But, like, this was the craziest thing that ever happened. And if I'm Taylor Frankie Paul and I'm praying, I'm also, like, thanking the Lord for Amanda Batula's bad decisions, right? Like how much longer would the Sala mouth thing? We were still in the thick of it when Scamandibald. You know, West Mandible. I can never say the fucking name right. Because the thing is,

I know like you have branded it West Mandeval, but like the internet is calling it Skamanda. That doesn't work. They can call it Scamandal if they want. Scamandival. Scamandal. It's a scandal of Amanda, a scamandal. But you can't call it Scamanda because that sounds like she's a fraudster.

Well, she kind of is. we were very much in the thick of it when this, uh, skimand of all happened. So I think a lot of the other Mormon wives, like, are annoyed that their, um,

light has been stolen. Like, I think Jesse's definitely annoyed and she's like bending over backwards with Marciano and then like also making, did you see she like, posted a video like, yeah, being like, I'm making bad decisions.

This is hard. Like, sure, whatever. Um, I think a lot of the girls were like, you know, benefiting from the scandal. But now it's summer house's turn.

Yeah, I still can't believe Amanda did that. Like, I actually can't. Like, I, I'll be curious to hear from her at the reunion because, like, right now she doesn't feel like a real person to me. Like, someone who we've watched on TV, like, make a decent amount of sense. Everybody liked, like, she wasn't a crazy individual. Yeah, ever. Like, she seemed like somewhat, like, reasonable, whatever.

Yeah, just a normal girl. Like, I'll be very curious to hear what she has to say, because right now she just seems like such a character. of a person that would do something like this. It seems like everything we've known about her has been a lie, right? Because she is this sort of like devious. And now we're all looking back on things. Like maybe you are this hidden mean girl.

So it's like, who are you even? Yeah. And I'll just wonder who she like shows up as and like who she's, how she's going to talk about this. Her decisions have been so poor. I know it was such a poor decision that's just dawning on me. The fact that her and Wes released a joint. statement. That is so crazy. Not only was the statement shite, you couldn't even write two of them. And as far as I know, they had had no prior communication with Sierra. Like, she read the statement

and that's why she broke down on the street. She wasn't breaking down because it was the first time, you know, she heard about them as a couple. Seriously, what sort of crazy, stupid lunatic puts out that statement before you've spoken to the person that you heard about it? Like, how stupid do you have to be? I, I'm in disbelief. That's why I actually want to hear from her because I'm still holding space that a person is not that stupid. Not only that, what kind of person puts out like a joined statement literally burns their whole life to the ground, friendships, relationships, reputation without knowing for sure that the guy is not seeing other people. No, that's why, like, Claudia, I'm telling you, I'm, I'm, there's an element of

unbelievability because it's so unbelievable. And so I'm like waiting. I'm not just like, like, because I, I, maybe I'm in denial, but I just don't believe that someone could be so. Stupid. Short-sighted, self-destructive, and self-indulgent. Yeah. I really just don't. So I'm really, that's why I need the reunion. I'm very curious what the numbers will be.

How many people watched the Scandival reunion? How many viewers did the Vanderpump Rules reunion have during the Scandival. Scandal. Scandal. They did not know Scandival. Scandal. because I think this will probably have more. I don't know.

Scandal one was so big. I don't think this will have more. So the part one of the reunion, which was aired in 2020, had around 4.6 million viewers across all, you know, peacock and everything. Mm-hmm. It became the most watched Bravo episode

of any show in over nine years, the highest, obviously, in Vanderpump Hill's history. This season finale right before that had about 4.1 million viewers. The reason I don't think it will have more viewers is one I think Pump rules was a more popular show than summer.

House. Yes. I think that even though people watch Vanderpump Rules in the beginning and maybe didn't watch the following seasons, they still knew Tom and Ariana and then Raquel is a random, but like that there was a third person. What's the most watched Bravo episode in history? And if you even watch the beginning episodes of Summer House, you don't know who Sierra West and.

Right. You may know Amanda, but like you have to really be watching the last two seasons to know who these people are. And you actually have to be watching to understand why it's a big deal that like, Amanda is hooking up with like her friend's ex-boyfriend of six months. So Scandaval Reunion is the most watched Bravo episode ever. And then before that, Bravo Spigo's episodes were typically the real housewives of Atlanta reunions, especially during the Nini Leaks years.

That's like a sleigh on Nini's part. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure like table flipping is in there. For sure. Even though nobody knew that was going to happen at the time. Like so it didn't get viewers live. It probably has like a lot of like views on YouTube.

Yeah. It might be like their most viral moment. Yeah. Are you ready for our third story? Yeah. Chloe Feynman is. Oh my God. Facing backlash and Vanity Fair faces scrutiny over editing controversial Chloe

Feynman video about her pantsing a six-year-old boy at summer camp. So Chloe Feynman and her S&L co-stars did some video for Vanity Fair. And she wound up telling a story about how she got fired from working out of summer camp. What job has you ever been fired for? And she was like summer camp. Summer camp. As a teenager, she said that she had like pantsed one of the campers. And the video that Vanity Fair put out, she like tells the story.

And they cut out like a lot of the cast members' reactions and details from the story. Some of the like really cringy details. And the edited version has now come to light. Now the edit, the raw footage has come to light. Her cast members are like very much like shook by the story. She's telling. And the story is even more. for her in the way that she's telling it, like, about...

So she says that, like, she got fired because she ended up pantsing this boy who was six years old. And when she pantsed him, he didn't have any underwear on. And a school bus drove by, so, like, all these kids saw his penis. And not only is that, like, just a disturbing story, the more details she adds, like, talking how, you know, he wasn't wearing underwear. So his little dingling was, like, just disgusting.

The way she's telling the story, the fact that she's telling the story. And then also that she had, like, a weird relationship with this camper because every time she would see him, you know, she would ask for a hug and he would lift her shirt. No, he was like ask her for, he would be like, hey, can I have a hug? And then she'd go to hug him and he'd lift his shirt up. So that's why she wound up panting him. Like the story like aside, because, you know, also when your camp counts are, like,

you're also like young and stupid. Like, it could be explained away. Like, the way she's telling it is so weird. Yeah. And the fact that she's telling it and the, and the fact that she doesn't like see now that maybe like that's not something that you should share. And so then her cast members are like, that's, are you on some list? Like, and they, Vanney Fair cut that out.

So not only did they, did they. cut out the story a little bit to make Chloe look better by taking out some of like the weird way she describes the incident and the jokingness. But also if I were the cast members, I'd be mad that they cut out our reaction. Me being shocked. It looks like we're just like, oh yeah, Pence, a six-year-old. That's our friend Chloe. Yeah. Dingling. So everyone's getting backlash for this. I think rightfully so. Chloe Feynman is weird. She's like a Scientologist. Like she's weird. This is just like totally like, I don't know. the word. Not funny. Not funny. I hate the word like tone deaf, but like, I know. It's just weird when

these things happen because, like, you know how many people were in the room at the time. Chloe's publicist, you know, always looking out for your talent, the editors, the social media managers. So many people should like, saw this before it went live. And that one person was like, you know, this is a weird story. Let's just cut it. Yeah, but the thing is like someone thought something because they cut out some of it. So they did realize that. And either cut all of it or at least put all of it in so that, Like we can see that the other cast members like realize that this is a weird story to tell. Like why are you protecting her from like keeping out like the worst sound bites from the story? It's not a good look.

Ultimately making the other people look bad. Yeah. I would be pissed if I was like outraged at the story and then they cut that out. And then I look like I'm just sitting there like, oh yeah, classic pants and kids. No, fucking weird. Yeah, really weird. Before we dive into the remainder of the show, might I let you know that today's episode is brought to you by Squarespace? You should.

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Eh, eh, eh, eh. What you got? A billion could have never bought. That's definitely Justin Bieber's best song. and beat 100,000. It's just unfortunate that he can never sing it because the Nick Minaj part. She just sort of like made it,

you know, it's a time capsule for sure, but she made it unplayable in the Bieber household. That must be hard for Haley. They should put out of remix and change it. Yeah, I get like a new, like you could have Nikki come back and do a new verse or like a different rapper that Justin's friends with, like something.

Gotta keep an eye out for Haley. Yeah, that was definitely like. But like Selena, like that has been so core to who I, Yeah. I think that's why I say er with everything. And it was definitely a feat in music, like songwriting, you know? Yeah, it's like, oh, Selena doesn't rhyme, but Selena does. I think that it definitely changes the course of like history and she should be put in

the songwriting Hall of Fame for just that one thing. It changed the course of my life. Sabrina, Taylor. But I got to keep an eye up for Selena. Anyways. I want to feel your body rock. Haley and Justin are launching like a... Beber!

And you got to keep an eye out for it's a leaner. They're launching a clap. The only thing collab for Road seems to be pimple patches, Road X the Bebbers. Seems like a natural next step for Haley's skincare brand. No? Yeah. Oh, okay, I thought you were going to disagree.

No, I was going to ask you a question. And Justin is like known for leaving the house, like paparazzied in his star pimple patches. so, you know. Yeah. I love it. What are your thoughts on people leaving the house

in pimple patches? Like they're, you know, a lipstick. So I think it was started in earnest. Like, you know, we shouldn't be afraid of our pimples. And like, it's annoying. Like, if I have 12 hours to kill

before an event and I want the pimple to go down and I'm like going out to lunch. Yeah, I do think like people have taken it really too far like showing up to business conferences with like a purple star pimple patch on their face. Yeah. Or like work. I don't know.

Like I think I'd rather stare at a pimple patch and like a big white pimple. You think, it's never like a big white pimple. And I don't notice, like, I just think it's a really crazy thing to do. Like, outside of, you know, running a quick errand or like going to the airport, that seems like a good place for a pimple patch. Like, I don't, I'm not loving the trend of just really normalizing them in everyday life. Or do like one of the clear ones and like sort of blend it into your skin.

But like, to just be like, hey, I have a Zit, I think it's so crazy. Yeah. I know what you're referencing because we did recently. eat out at a restaurant and one of the staff members was wearing a pimple patch. And you know what? At least for me, like from a hygiene standpoint, like the pimple was covered. Like I'm all good. But it is this sort of, you're like, you're so full of it.

You thought it was crazy too. I think that, you know, when we look back like how people used to get dressed up for the airport, right? By the way, I'm the first one to say, don't dress up for the airport until they make flying a humane experience again. Agreed. You can wear your pajamas. But I think it does speak to the overall, you know, deterioration of how people look in public, right?

When you compare it to like people used to leave the house in like a petticoat of corset and a ball gown, you know? And now literally you're wearing a pimple patch on your face. So yeah, it's crazy. So I would say like it's a trend in the wrong direction. Like I think it's cute. Like I think teenagers wear it to school. Like I think that's cute. I think that that can be cute because also like teenagers have an acne problem.

I'm not going to come out with a blanket statement saying whether I think it's good or bad. You have to give me the circumstance and I'll tell you if it's appropriate. Okay, but I'm not talking about teenagers just so you know. Yeah. I think that's a cute way for like teenagers to deal with their hormonal acne. And I think that Haley Bieber now like entering the convo with Justin like giving it the stamp of approval like it's only going to get worse. So gurg your loins. I feel like some people are wearing them and they don't even have a bad pimple. Absolutely.

Not that there's nothing, but people just will put them on anything just like because it's. If they had pimple patches like as a part of the trends when I was in high school and I had that mole on my face, like you bet your ass I was bringing a pimple patch of school every day. Yeah. Yeah, not talking about, like, kids and... Who are just doing it for attention. No, and, like, they are insecurities and I also, like, have more acne. Not that adults don't have acne, but, like, that's just part of...

The era where you have more people have more acne. And you're also, like, more insecure because you're a kid. Can we talk about the fact that we got Raleigh activities? We got PR. Yes, I got Riali Activis, and the packaging is so... The bottles are just, like, so... By the way, for anybody who doesn't know, we got Alex Earle's skincare brand, Real Activives. but of course because we are us, it's reality activities.

Have you used it yet? And I'm also a little confused. Like, am I okay to use it as a sensitive, swirly, that doesn't have an acne problem? I have other problems. You are. I haven't used it yet because I currently have like open products. I'm not like opening more than one cleanser.

You know what I mean? I would maybe do the, like I feel like the makeup bomb. I've never really used a makeup bomb. I want to try that and I feel like that's just a regular makeup bomb. But like the other thing that has, you know, and everyone's with the shade. And like it has the like the myepole at 8% and everyone's. It's so funny how everyone knows like every detail of her ingredients.

Right. And everybody's suddenly an esthetician. Yeah. Oh, they said 8%. Oh, okay. Yeah. I will use it like the next time I need a new cleansing bomb, you know, but I'm currently using a pack of Nutri Jena and that's just the phase that I'm at.

And I don't want to hear it. I'm at a fucking disposable wipe phase, period. If that makes me like a forever millennial, I don't care. What are you guys doing? What do washcloths abound? So I for like three years switched to cotton pads and mysler water, not for the environment because cotton pads are also now like, it's a disposable cotton pad.

But I felt like it was a more effective way of getting my skincare, excuse me, my makeup off. And I do stand by like the garnea, mycellar water and a cotton pad, like is the best way to get your makeup off, especially if you wear like a waterproof mascara. But like it's two products. You know, a makeup pack of makeup wipes. I buy, you know, a pack of five and I'm set for a year.

The makeup wipes, like, they leave me wanting nothing. Yeah. Like, I have no issue with them. And I know, I know they're bad, like, ingredient. Like, I know, but I don't care. I accidentally buy the fragrance ones and those stink. Purple? No, even blue, some of them are fragrance.

Purple is a different fragrance. That's like a nighttime one. I kind of like the purple. And then I'm, like, walking around, I'm like, who's in my house? I'm like, oh, it's my face. Yeah. Who's this stunk? my house.

I like the purple. Oh, it goes crazy. Sometimes I get like a little crazy. And what about the teal? Not the blue. You ever do the? No.

Oh, no. Never teal. Like, I just feel like they try. Speaking of like things, they tried to cancel. They tried to cancel. And I got on board.

Like, I switched for years. And I'm sorry, like, good is good. Good is great. The first two days that I was in Dallas, I didn't have Neutrogena makeup wipes. And let me tell you when I finally got my hands on one. Yeah.

I could breathe. Like, oh my God. Like, like trying to scrape off of my makeup in the shower. Like a animal. Do you remember those makeup wipes that were circles that we used to use like in our camp days? Like they came in a circular tin. They were also Neutraina.

No, I feel like they were, I don't remember the brand, but they were like Allure Best of Beauty. Oh, no, no, they were also Neutri Gina, but they were just for your eyes. Yeah. But you did the whole face. Yeah. I guess that was like when we were kids and we just wore eye makeup because we didn't wear face makeup. Because we didn't have like pimples or anything. But like those were pretty good.

Yeah. But now I'm, I'm sorry. If it ain't broke. Yeah. But I'll try cleansing bomb for mostly for Sally. I've done a cleansing bomb. It's actually a very effective also way. But then you have to splash water on your face and then like I'm wet.

And my whole shirt's wet. And then I have to stain my towel by like getting. Yeah, right. Exactly. And then I have like black dots and an orange towel. Am I washing the towel every day? I'm not using that again. I guess like a good way to do it is to like get in the shower after.

Like. Oh. Yeah, like do it right before you shower. So like walking to the shower with your eyes closed. Naked and afraid. What are you guys doing? Neutra Gina for Life. Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

I am. Some tea from the 90s. Word on the street is that Carolyn Beset had a feud with Gwyneth Paltrow during her Calvin Klein years. Oh wait, I'm obsessed. So reportedly, Carolyn Beset was not a fan of Gwyneth Paltrow who she encountered working for Calvin Klein. The author Amy O'Dell wrote in Gwyneth,

the biography, so this woman has written a biography out, Gwyneth saying one of the publicists on the brand small team who helped Gwyneth at the fashion house was Carolyn Beset. According to one person familiar with her thinking, Gwyneth irked her. When there were pictures of Gwyneth in the papers, Beset, who viewed Gwenneth as, quote, Little Miss Perfect would make cutting remarks about her. Oh my God, she was obsessed. Well, I guess team did not respond to comment. At the time, like, Gwenith was 26, there was like an incident at a Calvin Klein show.

Everyone else was, like, sitting in traffic, waiting in lines. and like she was literally like helicoptered into the show and like walked to the front row. Sorry so jealous. And it was not that even like she demanded it. She was also like pretty quiet and just like didn't. Sorry. All the Gwyneth Paltrow hate is so forced. Carolyn Beset included like sorry you're jealous.

Carolyn Bessatro like has always been that girl. She was born that girl. She evolved into that girl. She is like, you know, sunseting into retirement as that girl. Everyone's so fucking jealous of her. Even Carolyn Bessette, like the girl. Like the girl, you know, who everyone wanted to be, she wanted to be Gwyneth. Yeah.

It makes sense. Also, I feel like it's another situation like page and morgues where it's like if they're not friends, if they weren't friends at the time, like then there was beef because they should have been friends. They are really similar, both really like iconic and classy and similar sense of style. So like if they and if they were like always in the same orbit with like Gwyneth being a Calvin girl and they didn't like Kiki, that's because they hated each other. Absolutely.

Yeah. Team Guana. Oh, for sure. For sure. Yeah. I feel like the show has like not, I mean, ultimately it's probably been good for Karen of the Sets legacy. So many people are talking about her and knowing her.

No, I think it's also been like enormous justice for her in the way that she died. But in terms of her and like her style, like her being like so effortless. But like if you looked at the, if you watch the show with a keen eye, like they made her come off annoying and rude. And I also feel like now, I feel like once when they died and ever since then, it's like no one ever said anything remotely negative about them. like it was such a tragedy what happened to them. They were such an iconic couple and like, that's it, period. But now that like her personality is like coming back into the conversation, like, people are like saying like crazy things about her whether or not they're true.

And I just sort of feel like what was once like an untarnished legacy, like no one spoke. Like now people are like saying stuff and I don't know that it's been necessarily good. And that, yeah, that's also annoying because the personality that they gave her, like they just made up. Nobody really knows what she was like. She was enormously private. Yeah, but even like people who are saying they knew what she was. like and she used to the, you know, do this and that. Like, it's not good, whereas before no one said anything bad.

Yeah, I thought the show was ultimately bad for the legacy of John of Kenney Jr. Like, asshole killing those two girls. Yeah. Thinking he could fly a plane without a pilot, like, who do you think you are? And he was a bad husband. And, like, I read rumors that he did cheat on her. I also read rumors that she continued her relationship with her ex-boyfriend, like, well into their marriage.

Right. But no one was saying that before this show is what I'm saying. Of course, right. It's also kind of like Princess Diana. Yeah. Until the crown, like, I feel like. like her legacy was untouchable but the crown like there's some weird stuff in there and people like whisper about it before just like in terms of her but you couldn't say it you couldn't

say because like who would dare say tragedy left behind two young boys like period looking taking a deeper look at her personal life in the crown it was like well I don't think this person was necessarily like sound of mind yeah well those are stories do I want to say something that you don't want to do tear toasters so you want to push it to tariff I do want to do Dear Toasters, we should do it tomorrow, because like the episode's long, I want to get it up. I'm always with you, but we have to do it today or else like. Obviously, obviously, no, I would never. I would never.

I would never. I would never. With one eye open. Welcome to Deer Toasters, our usual weekly advice segment where Jackie and I try to help out our community. You know, you guys always show up for us streaming, getting us in the charts. We want to give back. You know, this is a philanthropic segment.

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You'll have, like, you'll be surprised. That's always fun. Oh, okay, this was weird. My sister, who's 31, mentioned to me that her husband, who's also 31, has been getting on her nerves. She mentions that he constantly hawks up a lugie in her house, to which I responded, that's really gross, but it got worse. She said he'll spit it right after into the dirty clothes bin, because as he says,

it'll all get washed after. please for the love of God tell me that this is diabolical and grounds for divorce. Thanks, love you bye. That's diabolical. Now here's the thing, like, I guess he's like not wrong. All in all, like, it's not unhygienic. It's just so fucking weird. That's fucking crazy.

It's kind of like, I guess, like, like putting a dirty diaper in, like the kitchen garbage. Like, it's going to get taken out later. No, Claudius is different. Who thinks like that? Like, I'm actually, I just think that's actually a crazy way for someone's brain to work. Yeah, there are so many places. Problem with the act, I guess.

No, but, no, I do. There are so many places you can spit. It's, like, disrespectful to, like, spit on your things when there's plenty. And, like, the dirty clothes bin is, like, in the corner of the room and the bathroom. Like, first of all, if you're in the bathroom, spit in the sink, spit in the toilet. Tijuana. So I feel like he's going out of his way. Because if you're in the kitchen, where is he spitting?

Like, spit in the sink, spit in the trash. What, you're walking up to the room? And, like, are you then going to go, like, spit. If you're in your, you know, you have to hawk a loo game and you're putting in your kid's hamper? When they have, like, a literal diaper. right next to it. I've, like I have so many questions

as to how we got here, although all in all. It's a personality flaw because I feel like he's doing it for attention. Like, hey, look at me. And yeah, it all goes. So what, put all your meal in a blender.

It all goes to the same place, right? Put in a feeding tube while you're at it. Like, I just think he's trying to be cool and like irreverent and it's really nasty. Yeah, not to make this a bigger deal than it is, but he sounds just like an awful person. Yeah, and you might want to check that. And there's actually something a little queer about, no, I'm kidding.

Okay. Hey Jackson turd. Girlie Swirley's, I have a dilemma. For context, my husband has epilepsy and I'm a very, very heavy sleeper. So a couple of nights ago, I randomly woke up in the middle of the night because the bed was shaking like an earthquake. I was very disoriented and my first thought was, oh my God, my husband's having a seizure in his sleep. I look over, he's completely wrapped in the blanket, like fully cocooned with a lot of movement going on underneath. At this point, I get into full emergency panic mode.

so I yank the covers off of him as fast as I can to help him. And I find out that he's very much not having a seizure. He's on his phone watching adult content on mute. And he was just, and let's just say he was very close to crossing the finish line of a solo activity he absolutely thought I was asleep for. He jumps up and looks completely shocked. He screams, I screamed, and then we both just roll over and go back to sleep. No words, nothing at all. The issue is it's been days we've not acknowledged it at all, not even a joke.

It's like it never happened, except I think about it. And I can't stop laughing to myself. Do I bring it up? Do I pretend it never happened? Please help sincerely a woman who thought she was saving her husband's life. Bring it up because you can't stop thinking about it. And like that's your husband. You should be able to talk to him about whatever.

And it's like just bring it up and have a laugh and move on. Yeah. Not to make like obviously a bigger deal out of it. Like it's probable that he like just couldn't sleep. And like maybe it was gay porn. No, no. That's not what I was going to say. But good question.

What type of porn was it? Like was he watching in secret? Was he watching in secret because it was like bad porn? No, but he wasn't watching in secret. He was watching right next to you. Was it ethically sourced? He was watching right next to you. No, of course.

What I was going to say was though, like was he hiding to see if like a porn problem? That's like the only thing where this could be bad. Other than that, if he just like needed to go to sleep and couldn't fall asleep and just needed to blow off some see him like, fine. I think a lot of people do that. But I need to know if this is like a porn problem. But I guess if it was a real porn problem, he wouldn't be doing it. right next to you.

And I think you can just like talk to him and be like, not talking about it makes it weird. Right, of course. You could just be like, by the way, I legit thought you were having a seizure the other night. Like that was just so crazy. L-O-L. Just being like, wait, I totally forgot until right now, like that crazy thing that happened. You screaming on him screaming does remind me of the time that Ben walked in on me on the toilet in the pitch black.

And like it was in the middle of the night and I screamed at the top of my lungs. And then he screamed. And it happened twice one time when I was pregnant and I really hurt my knee because I fell. I was like, I literally was like, it took my breath away. I collapsed. You guys should get like little lights, you know. We did actually in the other apartment where the first one happened, but I just didn't put it on. How was our new bathroom laid out? There's a window actually in the new bathroom and it's very bright so he wouldn't be able to scare me. Okay, that's good. You guys like can't be trusted to live together. It's so true. Um, so to the girl, like, definitely bring it up

because they have like a weird secret in your marriage and like the secret is what makes it weird. The situation is just funny. It is. Hey girlies. Am I overreacting? I went out to dinner the other night with a girl, so my husband was in charge of doing baby evening and bedtime routine. Feeding dinner, which is basically a bottle.

Bath, bed. I'm pretty particular about the schedule and routine, so I typically do bedtime on a normal night. So my husband honestly doesn't do it that much, which I'm fine with because I like doing the cuddles. That being said, my baby is sleep train and she goes to sleep on her own pretty easily these days. While I was at to dinner,

I saw on the monitor that she was having more issues than normal. I thought it was nothing until she woke up crying again at 3 a.m., which she really doesn't do that much anymore. When I went in to check on her, I picked her up and she was soaking wet. I immediately realized that my husband did not put a diaper on her, and she was soiling herself at night. Luckily, it was just peeve, but I was furious. He didn't put any diaper on?

How could you be so stupid? Am I overreacting? Was it just overlooked after bath time and the mistake on his part? Or am I valid in thinking he's absolutely ridiculous and he obviously needs to do more on his end with the baby? Oh my God. So sometimes you do just like forget to do something. something like so obvious. I feel like it's never like the diaper, but it's like, oh, I didn't

moisturize his legs, you know, like things like you just completely forget about. The diaper is sort of like an essential piece. It's a non-negotiable for a baby. If you didn't do the sleep sack, yeah, yeah. Sometimes you're like, oh my God, I forgot to put the sleepers on. Yeah, yeah. Or like, I thought you were going to say he didn't change, like he gave the baby a bottle and then didn't change the baby once more. So like the diaper was just super wet, forgivable. Not putting on a diaper on a baby is crazy. But like I, what I will say. But also like no. underwear so like the baby just had like went commando in a onesie like did he not think that was weird baby but you're saying baby and sleep trained so it's giving like it's giving like a year yeah under a

year um so yeah that's really crazy but what i will say is like when you go out things aren't going to be done your way and like as long as like when you get home like you can like so the baby woke up at three and that's when you discovered it so you got to go out and you you're you know. Jackie, oh my God, no, I'm sorry. The bar is in hell. I understand, like, her being particular. That's what I said.

What I was going to say. The diaper, the fact that there's not a diaper on a baby is the craziest thing I ever heard. But, like, in general, like, yeah. Of course. It might be 20 minutes later, 20 minutes early. Yeah, of course. I'm sorry. This is not that.

You know, maybe you expect maybe fall asleep on their own. Maybe he's rocking the baby. You know, things aren't going to happen the way that you want them to happen. Of course. But, like, people will get it done. And then when you're home, you can. No, this is negligent. But this is insane. This man does not spend enough time with his baby.

That's really insane. A diaper on a baby. That's kind of like the only thing. I can't imagine a person who has spent five minutes with a baby getting him changed or her change and putting the baby naked into a onesie like feels normal. Like that's insane. That's a real lack of experience. Yeah. You know what it sounds like? Sounds like you gotta start going out more. Like he needs some more solo training.

Yeah. I guess it's like if you can just remember the diaper, like everything else is okay, you know? No. Because I'm trying to think if there's anything else, aside from like feeding the child, anything else that like literally you have to do. Like you don't have to do the sleep sack.

Right. No, the food and the diaper is essential. Yeah. I guess they have to be. He's not an essential worker. They have to be wearing pajamas. But if they were wearing a sleep sack and no pajamas, that would be weird, but like, they could sleep.

Not, not crazy. I wouldn't, I wouldn't be worried about the state of your husband. If you put, sometimes when, like, it's warm outside, I'll, like, put Ruby into an undershirt and sleep sack. I would say the lights have to be off. Yeah, see, look at, look at what we're saying now. Like, the bar has been lowered so sufficiently that we're worried about him turning. Actually, the other night.

So in Ruby's room, when you walk in, there's, like, a hallway, and then the room. Okay. And there's two light switches, one for the room and one for the hallway. And I turned, I put Ruby down. Like sometimes you forget to put the sound machine on. That's like an essential thing. That's not as important as the lights. So I put Ruby down.

I put the light off in his room. And he took like 20 minutes to fall asleep. I'm like, and he was so tired. I'm like, I wonder why. Like maybe he was having like, you know, belly issues or whatever. And then like 10 minutes later, I realized I forgot the bottle. So I went back into the room to grab the bottle so I could wash it. He was fully asleep.

And I realized I left the whole light on. And I was like, it was like something so. I was like, but not an essential. but it was basically like having a big night light on. Yeah, not an essential. But so I would say diaper is, there are only a couple things that are super essential. So you need to go out more,

you need to reiterate to him. An obvious for sleep. Yeah. Yeah, that's really messed up. This is bad. You need to make him feel sufficiently bad about it for sure. Yeah, and you're also not overreacting. And I get you're like a control freak,

but like at a certain stage, like when a baby's, he can and should be left alone with his father. Yeah. Yeah. Because we skipped last week, and I do have like one remaining quick little funny one. She went from one to call it off. It's about us.

It's about us. Hey, Scareleys. Recently my husband's getting really, sorry, hey, Swirleys. Recently my husband has been getting more into my interest to show that he cares. And he has started becoming obsessed at the toast. He now listens on his own

and is using words like Pargy and he calls me a swirley. At first I adored it, such queenie behavior, I thought. But it's become an ick now and I even hear him saying it with his guy friends. Is my husband, don't make you say it. Gay. So I know that we do have. some, some, few straight male listeners.

But straight male listeners who didn't come here with their wives and girlfriends? No. A lot of them got here. They were dropped off by a wag. And like, do they go then in their own car and listen? No, they like don't mind when the wife puts it on. I don't know that this is the case, but I feel like if you grew up in a house with like a lot of sisters and like loud women, you might find comfort in this show.

Like if you live across the country from your, I'm just like, I'm just like, hypothesizing. No, and also if you do want to connect, like, with your partner, and this is what they're interested, and this is how they speak, like, it's a nice gesture, like, to have some. Is there something inherently gay about being interested in pop culture? I think so. Oh, interesting.

But it's like when our husbands watch Housewives with us. With us. Right. But, like, say you found Ben. If I came home, like, you'd just be like, oh, wow, he really liked this season. I would actually, like, be endeared to it. It's never happened. I don't think.

But he does say, like, is there new housewives tonight? Is that gay? So that we could watch it together. Is that gay? I don't think that's gay. Right. I don't think your husband is gay. I think he just, like, is a really good husband.

And I'm sorry that we're actually, like, so amazing. And you think that this is something for the girls, like, on the surface it is. But there's no reason why, like, a straight man who loves his wife, like, wouldn't enjoy this. Like, our husbands would love this show. And I think a lot of men, like, genuinely in their believing, they're not misogynist at all, but they really believe that, like, girls cannot be funny. And so even sometimes I'll find people being like, oh, like, when I do mean, greets and stuff, the husband's like, you know, I actually listen, like, it was actually funny.

Like, so the fact that this guy, like, has no, what's the word I'm looking for? Like, pre-conceived notion. No, it's like a dumber word than that. Like, whatever. Sure, let's say biases. He sounds like an amazing guy. Yeah, he does. and he just wants to be close to you.

And that's funny. I guess like it's... Him coming up with the boys being like this beer is parisie, man. I love it. We're for everyone. No, and that's like how we get our language, like our weird steamy language to become more ubiquitous. So send this episode to your husband, okay?

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