The Toast - Dreams Coming True with Keke Palmer: Tuesday, November 19th, 2024

Episode Date: November 19, 2024

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Good morning millennials. Welcome back to the toast and happy Tuesday that actually feels like a, it's not, you know, it feels like a Saturday. Because we're celebrating bitch. We took the words right out of my mouth, really. It's kind of a viral sound of ours. We haven't even discussed. We haven't.

Um, yes, there's like two sounds on TikTok that whenever anybody wants to like reference the toast or even acknowledge your toast, they'll use. And it's happy Thursday that feels like a Friday because we're fucking celebrating bitch. Hey, hey, there's kids that listen with their kids in the car. You yelling at me. That's the first.

And then the other is like another random, it's not our best moments. I don't think that it like really reflects the brand well. Oh, I think it was like as good as it could. The brand, but like if I were sitting down, like I would, I mean, I would just clip everything. So couldn't be left to be. I think that everything we do

is the greatest thing on the planet. Like it's so true. Everything we do is a moment. That right there. So true. You can make that as a- Moment. Well, today is a day that feels like a Saturday because Jackie and I have been like annoyingly teasing for a little while. We were able to book an amazing guest

who asked us to hold the episode for a month and asking us to hold, and this was kind of like the season of holding things in. I couldn't tell anyone I was pregnant. I couldn't tell anyone that Kiki Palmer was coming on the toast. Jackie and I have a list, and actually we kind of need to update the list

of like true dream guests. Obviously like a little, like out of our depth, out of our league a little bit. Out of our league a little bit. And Kiki Palmer was added to that list a little like out of our depth, out of our league a little bit. Out of our league a little bit. And Keke Palmer was added to that list a little while ago and she is the first person to officially make it off the list and I feel like once you start taking people off the list, like it's a slippery slope.

Claudia she's also the first person on the list. She's not just on the list. Like the list was made with her. So I'm not taking her off. I'm putting a check mark. Love that. So that we can remember that our dreams were realized. And so that episode is this episode,

it'll be the second half of today's episode. We sat down with Kiki, she has a new book coming out and it was like really very much at a glance of her life and her career, which we wanted to talk to her about anyway. There are so many projects, True Jackson VP, Scream Queens, Akilah and the Bee, that means so much to us.

And she's my favorite type of celebrity in the sense that she is not shy about talking about the things that made her famous. I mean, a lot of the times, especially when you're a child actor, you don't wanna talk about the project that everybody knew you from, True Jackson VP. You wanna talk about your new project.

And she was so cool about talking about everything. And she's just one of us. She's a mom, she's 31, so I just felt real. And not my child literally meeting Kinky Palmer. Literally. Literally. Things my child has done, not. No, it was so much fun.

I'm so excited for everyone to listen to it. And I feel like we could have been so much more annoying, teasing it. We could have. And we really kept it in our pants. Yeah, we really did. It's also, I just watched it the other day. Such a good episode.

She was making us cackle. It's also, I just watched it the other day, such a good episode. She was making us cackle. It's a little scary to meet someone you really idolize and who's, for me, my favorite thing about Kiki is not her projects, it's her personality. Like when she's doing it, my favorite types of videos to watch are Kiki just being Kiki. And it's a little daunting,

because what if they're a miserable person and it's all for show? She was hysterical, like exactly you thought would hope your fave would be trust your faves trust your face but that's also why she's a dream guest because of her as a person like not just her characters which it's like that's not her it's not yeah no we were really able to just like chat I didn't even look down at my notes yeah it was really fun so I'm excited for everyone to listen it'll be at the end of this episode, which is sure to be poppin'.

Sure to be poppin'. It's gonna be video and audio, so if you're watching on YouTube or listening as a podcast, oh, speaking of, you know what I found out today? What? Do you know that if you go on Spotify to a random episode, every episode of a podcast, there's a comment section on Spotify?

Oh God. I know, and no, no, and by the way, it's like people who really listen, they're like, oh my God. That's the beauteous thing about Spotify is you can't even rate a show, give it five stars, if they see that you haven't listened to it. So you can't just like spam it with one star, so you would have to take the time to listen to it,

and then by then you would obviously fall in love. So I actually really like their processes. And I love to get feedback on an episode from people who actually listen to it, you know? And so I didn't know that Spotify had comment sections, so I was like reading, and then I'm like nosy, I went to other people's podcasts, because I think it's a good way to see engagement, you know?

Like how many comments are you getting versus other people? And we'll chat offline about some of the things that I found. Oh my gosh, it's my favorite subject matter. Yeah, like hyping ourselves up, comparing ourselves to everyone. No, no, no, it's my favorite subject matter. Yeah, like hyping ourselves up, comparing ourselves to everyone. No, no, no, it's my favorite subject matter, like to talk with you offline, like, you know, the charts.

The charts. Where we're at, at a glance. Yeah. Good times. I have to say, yesterday's episode was just like cathartic and amazing, and I am so excited, and I was excited before, but like seeing other people be so excited for you, like it makes you so excited. Yeah, how are you feeling? Not that I wasn't before. How seeing other people be so excited for you, it makes you so excited.

Not that I wasn't before. How are you feeling today now that you can just talk about yourself openly? You know what, not to be classic hormonal mood swing woman, I feel a little conflicted about sharing the journey. I have such a pit sometimes when I'm like, oh, I feel like I share too much. Evil eye, I don't know, too soon, too much, I don't know. It gave me a pit. And then sometimes I'm like, oh, I feel like I share too much. Like evil eye, like, I don't know, like too soon, too much.

I don't know, it gave me like a pit. And then sometimes I'm like, I'm so glad I shared. Everyone is like loving everything I do. They're saying I'm so real for that. Like, I don't know, I'm really, I told the line between like, I'm not talking about this enough and I'm talking about this too much.

Yeah, yeah, that's fair. I don't know. I'll just, it'll go in waves. So are you going back today? No, I'll just go in waves. If I ever some days like sound like I'm being timid, that's what's going on in my brain. Got it.

Or maybe you just like don't have an update. Well, I do actually, cause I went to the doctor yesterday. New sonogram picks just dropped. It was so sick. Like with each like ultrasound, like you get so much more, like I saw brain yesterday,

like, okay, pop off brain, big more, like I saw brain yesterday, like okay, pop off brain, big brain, and I saw nose, like it was so cute, and baby was upside down. So the ultrasound tech was like jiggling my stomach just to be like, hey babe, wake up. Yeah, and then I just like walk around the office and have an orange juice, and that worked. But the jiggling, like of the thing,

like that wasn't cool. My stomach doesn't need help jiggling and then like for the ultrasound thing to be like, jiggle, jiggle, jiggle, just like wake baby up. That I felt was unnecessary. We can stick that next time. She was like next time, like clearly you respond to sugar. She's like, have you eaten?

I was like, okay, I'm so skinny. I'm like, yeah, I literally had Chinese food right before I got here. She was like, try and have some sugar. Baby responds well to sugar. Okay. Yeah, and then I saw Dr. Fox. I just love his calm approach, you know?

Like so chill. I was like, Dr. Fox, Olivia Oshere was screaming at me for sleeping on my stomach. And I think it's like annoying when I come in. I'm like, my sister said this. All I'm like, Jackie said this. Well, I feel like I'm pretty aligned with Dr. Fox. I don't think we're so incongruous in our advice.

I wonder if he finds it annoying. I'm like, my sister said this. Oh, I feel like what'm pretty aligned with the doctor. I don't think we're so incongruous in our advice. I wonder if he finds it annoying. I'm like, my sister's had this. Oh, I feel like what a doctor would find more annoying is like, Google said this. Yeah. Well, I just said, like my sister Olivia was yelling at me because she found out I've been sleeping on my stomach.

And I know you can't sleep on your stomach at a certain point, but until then, I'm chilled to do it, right? Yeah. And he was like, yeah, it's like literally, if you could at nine months, it's not bad for the baby, you just can't. It's just uncomfortable. But at this point in time, like I'm not feeling anything

and I love sleeping on my stomach, so he said it's totally fine. Then I got a little bit of a pit, I'm like, am I taking too many baths? And he was like, that's not a thing. Oh my God, in my first pregnancy, I would like literally get out my thermometer and make sure that the water wasn't over 104, 102,

what is it? By the way, literally, like literally me. Using my thermometer and make sure that the water wasn't over 104, 102, what is it? By the way, literally, like literally me. Using my meat thermometer in the tub. Oh no, so I bought a thermometer on Amazon and like I guess the only people who are testing bad temperature are babies. So like I couldn't find one that wasn't like Elmo, I have like a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle thermometer.

I was like, where's just like a thermometer? And I guess like they don't make adult, why would anyone? I didn't think about that. No, I have like a little turtle one. Yeah, what's the temperature you can't go over? Like 105, but the thing with that Dr. Fox was saying is like the difference is like a hot tub

is constantly being heated. Right. And it has like so many other chemicals, like a bath as soon as you get in it, it starts dropping. It's true. Like it's not, he was so not worried. And I just love his very calm approach to everything. Like it just, I've never said something to him

and he's been like, ah, you know, he's just like, you're fine. He's very chill. He's not easily startled. That's funny. Well, that's great. Yeah, it was, and then like I cleared my whole day after the doctor, cause there's like fabulous restaurants

near the doctor's office and Ben was like, I have a call. I'm like, what? We're not going to lunch? It was like, he didn't take off the whole afternoon for our appointment, which I thought like we were both in alignment on, we can go to Zabars. Like, I don't know, it was kind of disgusting. Did you pick stuff up from the market?

No, I literally like went straight in the car and went straight home, like I was grounded. You didn't go by turd self? No, we drove and I needed a lift home. He could have waited in the car and taken his call while you went marketing. It was so crazy. And we made our next three appointments with the,

major D, what's the word I'm looking for? Receptionist. Receptionist. Excuse me, yes, not the major D. Food on the brain. And we made them all not the major day. Food on the brain. And we made them all at the same time, they're all at like three o'clock, and I'm like, clear your schedule, bitch, like it's dinner after that.

Or lunch first. Yeah, like what are you doing? Late lunch appointment, early dinner. So that was like disappointing from Ben. But other than that, I'm doing well, I'm just like lapping up every nice comment and lovely text message. Oh, you know, I shared this on my close friends yesterday

because I thought it was kind of mean to post regular, but I'm gonna say it anyway. Something I'm noticing from people I know personally, because people online are being so sweet. Can't wait to be like toasty aunties, like yeah, love, love, love. And all my tostadas are like tia, tia, tia, love that. But people in my life who I barely know being like can't wait to be an aunties, like yeah, love, love, love. And all my tostadas are like, tia, tia, tia. Love that. But like people in my life who like I barely know

being like, can't wait to be an auntie. Excuse me. Do you have some news to share? No, I'm like, are you talking to me? Like I think- I need to know who you're talking about though. I'll tell you after. I think we use the word like auntie and uncle

with people we know. I think we use it like a little too familiarly. Like, and I'm not talking about like people on the internet. I think that's actually really sweet. Like toasty aunties, but like in real life, like can't wait to be an auntie and uncle with people we know. I think we use it like a little too familiarly. And I'm not talking about like people on the internet. I think that's actually really sweet, like toasty aunties. But like in real life, like can't wait to be an auntie. Like you're not even gonna meet this child, go away. No, people are a little fast and loose with it. It's not really like something that I,

like if I'm introducing a friend, like I'm not like this is Aunt Dana, but I actually think Dana like does call herself Aunt Dana. So then I have like started saying it, but it never, it's never my idea. Yeah, no, I think that that's fine. And I actually think the concept is sweet with people in your life who are like siblings to you.

Yeah, yeah. Like I feel like with Brian's child, he calls all of us like uncle, aunt, Claudia. I love that. Yeah, no, there's a limit. Like symbolic aunt. I'm sorry, there's gotta be a limit. It's an inner circle thing.

Your kids are gonna be so confused. Yes, it's an inner circle thing. Your kids are gonna be so confused. Jackie, it's an inner circle thing. Extremely inner circle. Nucleus only. I'm just being like a hater bitch, but I'm allowed to, you know? No, I think at a certain point, it gets confusing for the child.

And then auntie means nothing. And then that affects cogers. It affects auntie cogers. If she's just like all these other aunties. And I'm so glad I can just finally like share and like lean into what my routine is. Cause sitting here pretending like I did anything last night would just be a lie.

And my new routine is like I eat dinner about five o'clock and then seven o'clock is Jeopardy. And it's become like an integral part of my day. Cause it's really the last thing I do before bed. Seven to seven 30. Well, usually I start like seven 15, so I don't have to watch commercials. Seven 15 to seven 45 Jeopardy. And then I like mosey on my phone for 20 minutes and then I go before bed, seven to 7.30. Well, you check out like 7.15, so I don't have to watch commercials. 7.15 to 7.45 Jeopardy.

And then I like mosey on my phone for 20 minutes and then I go to bed. I went to bed at 8.15 last night. And just like loving this sort of senior moment I'm having. Senior moment. Like I was on FaceTime with you, it was five o'clock and I hadn't like made dinner plans yet. And you guys, I thought I was laying down.

I thought I was gonna faint. Like I was so hungry. Everything has just moved up. So five o'clock dinner, seven o'clock Jeopardy, eight o'clock bed. I love it. And it's also the season. I'm sorry, but Daylight Savings is ass.

It's seriously ruining my life. Oh my God. It's so crazy. I'm looking at bed, I cannot stop yawning. Seriously, last night, it could have been midnight. I look at the clock, 5.56. Sunday, two days ago, was the longest day in human history. Like it's it's we're so tired. It's dark. It's 4 30.

And I know DSL, oh no, DLS is kind of getting political. There's a couple of states. Actually, I think actually, Claudia, it's a bipartisan issue. I just want to say So that is totally safe. I was Googling it, I think Marco Rubio is like really spearheading the issue, being like, we don't need this. And then some states are like, we do.

And I understand, I think like part of it is like, it has to do with like farmers. The farmers. And they need the light. So I'll do what the farmers need, but just know like I'm hating every minute. Yeah, no, I think there was a time and a place for it, but now it's really disruptive.

There's studies. Oh, because we have these things called lights. Right, there's studies out there that it causes heart attacks. And honestly, I see how that's possible. Oh yeah, for sure. So it's really been such a damper. And I remember in the spring,

I was on the show talking about how daylight savings like, you know, it's flipped back. Yes, I remember. And I was raving about my days and my nights, how we're just in such a great routine, this is so amazing, this is so exciting. And now I'm really experiencing the inverse, and it's not right. It ain't right.

So just something to think about. For everyone. I do fear that we have to get into what needs to get into because we have a lot to handle today, including one, you know Kiki Palmer's first name is really Lauren? I think I did know that. Yeah, just fun fact, only the super fans know.

Yeah, super fans. And also I feel like we skipped over like a big part of her interview, which is that she has a book coming out this week and it's not called Memoirs of a Kiki, but it is called Master of Me. So if you're like a celebrity memoirs worthy, oh, and we didn't even brag that we got an early copy. So actually when we were reading that story last week

about what happened on the set of Scream Foods with Ryan Murphy, you guys, I already knew it cause I read it. Yeah, I agree. It was hard. Do you think we were, by the way, we really could be actresses. We've been lying to everyone for like months.

Yeah. So I just let you know, like I already knew. We knew. We're like people who like leave a comment. Oh, so I just let you know, like I already knew. We knew. We're like people who like leave a comment, oh so glad we can finally share the news. There were so many comments like that, like not to be annoying. Oh my god, like finally!

Like girl, I told you two days ago, calm down. Oh my god, LOL. Okay, well. I'm such, like in my pregnancy era, it's also, it's conversing with my hater era and it's just, it is what it is. You'll have to see it you do Without further ado to do here are the fast five stories that you do to do to do need to know

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In no particular order. In no particular order, however, this one kind of made me chuckle because John Stamos is getting dragged for wearing a bald cap in solidarity with cancer-stricken Dave Coulier. So Dave Coulier. I wanna say it's Coulier.

Coulier. Coulier announced this week. Coulier. That he has been diagnosed with an aggressive form of cancer. And so John Stamos took to Instagram to share a photo with his friend Dave. They're both from Faux House, who was smiling with a freshly shaven head

amid his battle with stage three non-Hunchkin lymphoma. So then John Stamos posted a picture of them together and said, nothing like throwing on a bald cap and flexing some Photoshop skills to show some love and solidarity with my bro. So he put on a bald cap to stand with Dave Coulier. Now. This is the most Dave Coulier. Now. This is the most Hollywood thing ever.

Like this is the craziest thing ever. People know like when you're someone that you're really close to, like has to shave their head for cancer. Like it's something that some people do is to shave their head in solidarity. It's such a nice gesture. Oh my God. When I see videos like of people shaving their head and then like their partner who's shaving the head for them will start shaving their own head.

Like I guarantee crying. It's the sweetest, most selfless thing. And I imagine, it's obviously not the most important thing when you're going through a life-changing illness, but losing your hair, I think especially as a woman, it can be one of the hardest parts. You feel like you lose a piece of your identity. So for your husband or wife or whatever,

it's the most beautiful thing for real. Yeah, it really is. So John Stamos didn't do that. But what he did do is he put on a bald cap to show Dave his love and support. Now, I want to say if Dave isn't mad, then I am not either. However, I think we can talk about like how really bizarre this is. Like, I'm not mad like how really bizarre this is. Like I'm not mad and even if this is offensive,

like I'm not the one to say like this is wrong, but this is ridiculous. I feel like if anything, if I'm Dave in this situation, like it makes me feel worse, you know, like is my culture a costume to you? Like you get to then take off your cap. Right, and I do think it's like very on brand with John Stamos. Like I, like he loves his hair.

Uncle Jesse was like the whole thing. Like don't touch my hair. And again, if Dave thinks this is cool, like I'm cool with it. I'm just, I'm definitely confused. No, and I never would expect John Stamos to shave his head. No.

Like his hair is like, you know, that's like. Samson. Giselle's legs, like it's, that's his thing. So it's not expected, but the fact that he like would go to this length to show us that he won't shave his head like really puts a flag on it as opposed to just like posting something nice for his friend Dave. I would have never thought John Stamos should be

shaving his head, but now he puts on a ball cap and I'm like John Stamos should be shaving his head. Agreed. I never would have expected it. Now that he put the cap on like like now, and now we've said it. Yeah, now really all he can do to get out of it is shave his head. Not only that, and like donate his hair, like auction it off, highest bid goes to cancer research.

I wanna say, and I don't think we talked about it, like America's sweetheart, someone who we all grew up with, Dave Coulier being diagnosed with cancer is so sad, And he's handled the whole thing, you know, as you would expect America's comedy sweetheart too. And it's so sad. And so the fact that we're talking about this is like so stupid. But it was an incredibly weird thing for John Stamos to do.

And I think that we need to talk about it. Yeah, and people are talking about it. They're dragging him. Again, like I think it's like mostly innocuous. Like we don't need to like cancel John Sting. Nothing like that. But like when people do silly things and they kind of miss the mark,

like we just gotta let them know mark equals missed. 1000%. That's all this is. Yeah. It's definitely not what I would have done. Yeah. And like nobody asked, you know? That's the biggest thing.

And I'm sure that these two are like close, but I don't think they're like brothers. You don't? So I never would have, no. I feel like you have to be like brothers to do this. To actually shave your head, you have to be like brothers. I feel like they're like brothers. By the way, I don't know follow any either of them.

I didn't watch like the reboot, but I just feel like especially with like Bob's passing. Bob Saget, yeah. It's like the two of them and I imagine there's a brotherhood there. Yeah, no, that's actually a good call. I forgot about the Bob of it all. Well then in that case,

like if they are brothers, shave your fucking head. Yeah, or stay quiet. I just, I love those videos. Like I think like that and military homecomings, like seriously. Military homecomings. I haven't watched one in so long because I just like, I can't carve out a day for crying.

My TikTok, my TikTok knows, and like I'm constantly being served with compilations of like, I love when it's a surprise too. Of course, and a young child. Oh, oh, oh. Maybe like at their school. At their school, always in the gymnasium. When everybody else's parents parents came to the event,

but they didn't expect their father or mother because they're serving. Then they turn around, bam. Obsessed. Obsessed. So the jury's out on like, on how I think this will affect John Stamos' like, seriously his standing in America,

because he is like extremely well liked by all different generations. And like, this is a bad look, honestly. Yeah. And not because of the bald. I also want to say like, just not to make everything about me, total tangent. This has nothing to do with John Samos,

but I was feeling a little hungry and I have a yogurt next to me. Are you giving yourself license to eat on the podcast? I will be eating on the podcast. I will not be into my microphone and I will make sure like nobody hears like a lick. But if you see me on YouTube like that, and do you know how many times I've sat here

with like a yogurt or a cracker next to me, dying to eat it, but that would be so obvious. So just know like, please get off my jock. I will not make any sounds, misophonia, you'll be fine. Just yeah, you eat your yogurt while I read the text of the stories, okay? So I'm gonna go into our next story, which is also very much for Turtee.

There's a lot of layers here because Sabrina Carpenter took her Short and Sweet tour to LA and the stars were out. However, two stars that we do need to discuss are Katy Perry and John Mayer was spotted catching up at her concert on Sunday, nearly a decade after calling it quits. So of course they arrived course, they arrive separately.

They did not come together, but he was sat right behind Katie in the VIP section, and in the video that was shared on Dumois, Katie could be seen turned around and chatting with him. For a while, they seemed deep in conversation as they waited for the show to start. Now, there's two things going on here. I'm so glad you brought up Sabrina's concert in LA because I was so happy to see, like, her really getting her flowers. So many celebrities, Hailey Bieber, Kendall Jenner,

like all the swirlies were out, Blue Ivy. Like everyone's famous and everyone's famous as kids. Like I love that Sabrina's having this moment. She is so well-deserved. So I just wanted to say that before we dive into what actually happened. Now I saw this video and you guys know like probably one of the happiest times I've ever, one of the happiest times of my life

was when John Mayer was dating Katy Perry. I was so invested in their relationship, I thought that they were perfect for one another. When they went to the Grammys and she wore that seafoam dress and he wore that blue. You can add it to the list of Claudia's favorite stories. It's there, it's already there. It is, oh my God.

And then I saw them in concert at Barclays Center. I saw him in concert at Barclays Center and I just knew he was gonna bring her out. They have a song together and he did. Love who you love. So good. Actually that song's not that good. Not a great song.

But whatever, I was obsessed with these two. And I still, for a long time I think held out a little bit of hope, although now I actually don't think that they're right for one another. So to see them be friends brought me joy and I think that Katie has so moved on in her personal life. I think she's so in love with Orlando Bloom. They have a child together.

Like, I don't think she like sits up at night thinking about John Mayer at all. I don't know that John Mayer doesn't. So here's the thing, I was reading more into this story and yes, she moved on one year after they broke up, but he has not been in a serious relationship since. It seems that he's had a hard time getting over her. In 2017, he released a song called,

"'Still Feel Like Your Man'," which he admitted was about her. In the song- Oh my God, I didn't know that. In the song, he sings- Still feel like your man. He sings about keeping an ex's shampoo in the shower in case she ever comes back and holding on to old letters

because he fears he is quote, never gonna find another person like her. Oh my God, I don't know if I ever knew that song was about Katy Perry, obsessed with that for her. For him, she is the one that got away, but I also feel like he kind of says that about everyone. It's like he won't get serious about any of the girls that he's with, but once they leave,

he's like, they were the best thing that ever happened to me. Please come home, I have your shampoo. True. Meanwhile, he has like six bottles of different shampoo. He is so toxic, That is so fucking true. But I don't know if I put together that he really hasn't been in like a big public long-term relationship since then.

Although I do believe he is like secretly dating Kiernan Shipka for a while, which I think is absolutely disgusting. Well, speaking of disgusting, that's kind of harsh, but like, what do you think he was doing at Sabrina's show? Like, do you think he has a crush on Sabrina? Definitely, by the way. I was actually thinking that. I think he like thought like, yeah you think he has a crush on Sabrina? Definitely, by the way. I was actually thinking that.

I think he like thought like, yeah, why he would be there. That's actually an amazing point. I think he has a crush on Sabrina. I'm sure Sabrina heard that he's like there at VIP and she was freaking out cause it's John Mayer. And I feel like they were gonna like go on a date. Maybe we'll never hear about it because it won't work out. But like, I feel like he would be interested in her

and I actually think she would be interested in him. Now let me say this. You guys know I'm like off my John interested in her and I actually think she would be interested in him. Now let me say this, you guys know I'm off my John Mayer. He's not my crush anymore. I'm off my John Mayer obsession. By the way, and in January he said, "'People don't think I wanna be married. "'I absolutely wanna be married.'"

He's looking. Please. But just to say that doesn't mean it's true. We've seen you for 20 years not act that way. Now I am off my John Mayer shit. I still love him as an artist, but like he's no longer my crush. Like honestly, if he asked me out on a date, I would say no, like I'm being dead serious.

And that's just, that's not because I'm like with child. With another man's child. Yeah, that has nothing to do with it. I just like, I'm so over him. And having said that, I would absolutely love for him and Sabrina to go out on a date, even though it's still so age inappropriate. Like, well, how old is she?

She's always a little older than you think she's gonna be. She's Disney, so I always think of her as like young. She's 25. Ooh, fronties there. And what is he, 40? He's over 40. No, to be honest, I wasn't expecting her to be 25. At this point, like she can make her own choices.

He's 47. That's pretty old. No, I'm sorry. He's disgusting. That's pretty old. No, I'm sorry. He's disgusting. Okay. And how old is Kiernan Shipka? Because he like, he knows that it's wrong that he dates Kiernan Shipka. So they are never spotted physically together.

She's 25. He likes a 25 year old. Every time he is paparazzi leaving or going to a restaurant or a bar or a party, she is spotted then leaving or going the same restaurant. 10 minutes later, they are 100% seeing each other and it's been a long time. And like, I just want to say, I think it's disgusting. But I just want to say if I'm Kiernan and like,

that's my man and he went by himself or with his boys to see Sabrina, another 25 year old who I know he would be into cause she's like a musical genius and adorable, I'd be mad. I don't think they could be together and he's at the concert. They made a burping up yesterday. And his music is like, it's not for her music is not for John Mayer. I'm sorry. Like what are seriously Ariana?

What are you doing here? Like get out. Yeah. He's I've had such a 180 on him. Like I actually think he's gross. You think he's yucky. I also, the only reason why I'm not like, like so against the idea of them going on a date

is because of Barry. Like she has got to be done with him. Barry's got to go. Even if John just like shows her that there's something else out there. against the idea of them going on a date is because of Barry. She has got to be done with him. Barry's got to go. Even if John just shows her that there's something else out there. Even if John is the vehicle, literally and physically,

to get her away from Barry, I'm fine with it. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever happened to nice, normal, age-appropriate guys, I can't. Honey, it's Hollywood.

I know, and I don't want Sabrina getting caught up with, I think John Mayer has a connection to a really disturbing part of Hollywood, because he's been around for so long. I don't want Sabrina getting caught up with, I think John Mayer has a connection to a really disturbing part of Hollywood, because he's been around for so long. I don't want Sabrina a part of it. I agree. Stay away from Brie'ner. Also, this is not a story,

but her Netflix trailer for A Nonsense Christmas dropped, revealing tons of special guests. It looks exactly what you think it would look like, like gargy, party, Christmas, girly sets. I had like a negative thought when I saw the trailer. What? Like why so many guests? You know, like I'm here for Breeder.

I agree, especially cause like the guests don't really do it for me. Of course the first name was Taylor Swift. The first name was Chappell Row. No, if it was like, if it was designed for me, maybe I would like it, but like, I don't know. I just, can anyone just have their moment? Like this obsession with guests.

I know, oh my God. Do you know what I mean? I've been feeling that way so much. Last night, I actually had like, I was sat, I was like, I wanna watch something. I texted you what's on my content plate. But then I realized I didn't wanna watch a show. Like I don't have the attention span.

I just wanted to watch like a cooking show. And I went to Netflix just to search cooking show. And it's all, they don't have one cooking show of just like a woman in the kitchen or a man, but I prefer a woman, just cooking and talking to me. That's all I wanted. They should add that to their repertoire. But then I went back to that Martha show I was watching.

It's just called Martha. But there are so many things that they do with her where they make her have guests on every episode. And I'm like, I don't want to watch Martha teach someone how to cook. I want her to teach me how to cook. I agree. This obsession with like collaborating and guests. Like I don't like it. No, it's such low hanging fruit and you're in a bad place. Not Sabrina. I'm sorry. I'm not talking about Sabrina anymore. I'm talking about like the cooking world. You're in a bad

place if that's what you're relying on. No, but I think like in this day and age, if you want to sell like a show, a podcast anything, you put together like a deck and you say, we can guarantee and we're gonna have this, this person's network is filled with Chapel Row. Like stop, it's just, I want Sabrina. I want Sabrina, only Sabrina. So Chapel Row and Tyler, Shania Twain, and then a bunch of like cameos from like actors and people.

That's so unnecessary. Cara Delevingne, Kinta Brunson, Kyle Mooney from SNL. Like why? A bunch of other people. I'm gonna watch it and I'm sure I'll like it, but I am complaining. Oh, and is this who I think it is? Yeah, Jillian Bell.

Okay, I really like her. I like her too. I like her too. Okay, well are you ready for our next story number three? I am. Some Pete Davidson news out of nowhere, couple things. Pete Davidson checks into rehab for the second time this year after a secret relationship

with The Bachelor alum Maria Georgios. I thought he was doing well. Like he was getting his tattoos removed. I thought he'd been offline for this whole year, kind of in a rehab of sorts. Yeah, and he was dating Madeline, and then they broke up and he went to rehab. And then apparently, for the last few months,

he's been dating Maria from The Bachelor, and then he went to rehab in Florida fairly recently. He's in pretty bad shape, and he's just not in a good place, and I guess he ended things with Maria. I'm really focused on the Maria of it all, because I actually, I really like that relationship. And I feel like it's rare for him to date someone, and we not know about it.

Right, and we're really getting into the era, for so long it was male reality stars with female celebrities, but now we're getting the female reality stars with male celebrities, and I'm so here for that. You love to see women in male dominated fields. Yeah, you really, really do. So I guess it didn't work out,

probably not the right time for him, but I could see it. I really wish him the best. I feel like he's a perfect example of like, everybody looks at fame and they're like, I want it, I love it, yeah, yeah. And like, I think for him, it was really destructive like to be that level of fame. He wasn't even famous for like his skill, right?

He was just like famous for, I don't even know what, and I think that it was really destructive. And I feel bad for him. I seriously just wish him the best. But also, for his comedy, that's how he got famous. He was the youngest cast member on SNL, maybe too young. Maybe he got this all too fast, too soon, and it's hard for him to find a way to live a happy life.

Like balance. Yeah. Yeah, and the whole thing was happening while he was living with his mom. for him to find a way to live a happy life. Like balance. Yeah. Yeah, and the whole thing was happening while he was living with his mom. Like it was all so quick and bizarre and I seriously just wish him the best. Yeah, I hope that this like is the most effective treatment. Yeah, me too.

Are you ready for our next story? Kind of like crazy news. Not crazy news, just like a weird story. So, Cynthia Revo went on Armchair Expert and Dax Shepard asked her if her talon nails get in the way when she wipes. No, he did not. Yeah, and it's kind of like an awkward exchange.

So, while appearing on Armchair Expert. But, but, but, what did you say? Her what nails? Her talon nails, because she has those really long fingernails. What does talon mean? T-A-L-O-N. It's like a like a claw almost. I never heard that word before. But you're just talking about a regular long acrylic nails,

but like hers are super long. Yeah, like super long. Khloe Kardashian, Sheena Shay. Yeah. Yes. OK. So while appearing on Armchair Expert, he asked Cynthia if her long talon nails make it difficult to wipe her behind after going to the bathroom. Before he even finished asking the question, she knew exactly what was coming.

She said, I knew you would ask that question, adding that no one's afraid to ask it. She said, my answer is that nobody uses just their fingers to wipe their backside. You use tissue, correct? And you wipe. He then rephrased his question saying, does the tissue go on the tip of the fingernails? It's a good question. Or on your palm.

Or do you try to get the tissue, and she said pads of the fingers. He said, great, great, great. Now we're getting somewhere. Then you're just feeling the little. He said, then you're just feeling the little tickle of the nails on the crack of your butt sometimes. Right, right.

She said this was not the case because she uses tissues. After joking that he would make a mitten out of toilet paper if he had nails like Cynthia. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. That's funny. He asked her if she was offended or annoyed by the question. She said, I'm annoyed by it. I'm like, come on guys, but I get it.

But it's also like, I'm a functioning adult and I've never walked around smelling like you know. And Sheppard felt that because everyone thinks Cynthia smells so good, it begs the question, how are you wiping your tush? She said very well. Okay, here's the thing, such a funny question. I could see it falling on, like he was asking

the wrong person, because I feel like what we've gathered about Cynthia is she takes herself really seriously. She's a little humorless. She is a little humorless. So the fact that she engaged, because I feel like what we've gathered about Cynthia is like she takes herself really seriously. She's a little humorless. She is a little humorless. So the fact that she engaged, like actually I have a lot of respect for, because I could see her like shutting down the question or actually walking out.

So the fact that she played along, and then when he asked, he asked, like, what did you think of that question? And she answered honestly, like, I feel like this was actually a really good exchange for Cynthia Reba, like she handled it. And we all do wonder. And I have to say, like, in my life, like two or three times, I have gotten really long acrylic nails.

And I can attest to what Cynthia is saying, like you just make it work. Like things that people can't even fathom, like opening a soda can, like you use this part of your finger, like use your knuckle. You just, your body and your mind have a way of figuring things out.

Like it's not, it's like, she's not wiping her ass with her fingernails. You know what I mean? So it's a good question because I think people really often wonder it and I am really impressed. When people see those nails, I think their mind first goes to like,

how do you wipe your butt? I think of how do you pick your nose first. You don't think you pick it with expert precision? No, because when they're that long, like you no longer have control. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, you don't have control. It's not a part of your body.

Exactly, like you can't feel when the nail is touching something. You don't even know if you're doing it right. Yeah, you don't have control, it's not a part of your body. Exactly, like you can't feel when the nail is touching something. You don't even know if you're doing it right. Yeah, that's true. So I don't think of butt wiping, but it's on the top three, four, five things, I think. First, I always do nose picking and like typing. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't have these nails,

but like this question would bother me just cause like, I just don't think, Cynthia, she's just like such an acclaimed talent. She's talking about poop. Like that part is bothersome. You don't want people picturing you wiping your tushy and making a doody, like it's gross. Right, and then the idea that like you've got doody

on your fingernails, like it's just not how you, like I just don't even wanna go there. I've also never listened to armchair expert. Like I didn't know that that's what they were doing over there and like now I'm intrigued. It sounds funny. Yeah, she also made a really fire point and she said, here's the thing.

There are people who do not have nails who need to check out their wiping. Facts. Oh, okay, like not, this is a good moment for Cynthia Revo, I think she's coming off looking really good, honestly. Yeah, no, she's turning the tables and it's just funny.

That is funny. So true, like, And as somebody who has experienced a first trimester of pregnancy, I have a very low bar now for people who have bad hygiene. I'm sorry, there's really no excuse for you to be smelling the way that you're smelling. In this modern time, unless you seriously don't have a place to live,

and I'm not talking about people like that, I'm talking about people who have showers in their homes and choose either not to use them or don't know how to effectively use it, I have no grace for you. There's absolutely no reason that you should have body, unless you came from the gym, you just showing up to work with bad breath, body odor, stop.

What's more offensive to your nose right now, bad natural body odor, and not horrible stink, but a little smelly, or fragrance, nasty perfume, nasty body wash, like overwhelmingly like smelly fruity shit. Yeah, I find like manufactured fragrances to be more offensive than somebody's armpits. Yeah. But I also don't see a lot of people.

That's like kind of what I've been doing. So nobody around me, like I actually haven't experienced a lot of body odor odor except in the streets. Like when you're walking past and New York city is a very tough place to be in a first time. It's a smelly city. It is a smelly city. There's a lot of humanity.

There's a lot of people, a lot of crowds, lots of food trucks, food carts, a lot of different fragrances. And seriously, it also so much trash on the street. Like you would die. It is not for the faint of heart. No, you do need fresh air. You should like go see some trees, get a little CO2.

A thousand percent. And that's why like actually I feel that the air on my balcony is more fresh than the air on the street. Like if I need fresh air, I'll go to the balcony. That tracks you. You should also go to the park. There's a lot of trees in the park. I've been going to the park.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of trees in the park. The park been going to the park, yeah, yeah, yeah. Lot of trees in the park. The park is really expertly designed. Yeah, it is. You should watch New York by Ken Burns. That's what I watched when I was pregnant. Okay. Just a little something.

Everyone should watch it. Take the edge off. If you have any modicum of curiosity about the history of New York. I don't know. I think you would like it. Sure. Just switch it up.

Are you ready? I just did something different. Are you ready for our fifth and final story, which is something else you could watch soon. Just switch it up. Are you ready? We just did something different. Are you ready for our fifth and final story, which is something else you could watch soon that would switch it up? Yeah. And actually, like last night, when I was just like trolling

for something to watch mindlessly, like this is what I wanted to be watching. What? Because Carrie Underwood's concert special will be coming to Hulu. Love. Eight time Grammy winner Carrie Underwood will give audiences a front row view

of her Las Vegas residency show in a concert special set to air on Hulu in January. Carrie Underwood Reflection, it's fine, because in December we get like the Nonsense Christmas and like all that. So, and the live adoption with Josh Groban. Josh Groban, correct. The way I need to set a timer for that.

I gotta put it on my YouTube TV to record it. Carrie Underwood Ref reflection features her greatest hits from nearly 20 years as an award-winning international recording and touring artist, including 14 number one hits and songs from her eight studio albums. I love this, this like genre of television where it's like concert DVDs, we need more of,

and I feel like only the big ones get it. Like we know Beyonce, we know Taylor, like I need more, I love them. I happen to have loved the Ben Platt one. Olivia Rodrigo just did one. We need more of these. I love concert movies. And I don't need in between songs,

seeing them backstage getting ready, talking about the process. No, I just want the whole concert filmed. Yeah, I need to, you know what? I'm fucking doing it. I'm starting my content playlist. I don't know, because last night I really needed it. And now I can remember like search concert DVDs.

Concert movies, you did wanna watch Nobody Wants This. And I feel like people can remember better. Sound off in the comments, what has Jackie been meaning to watch? Please, every day I say, I'll add it to my list. And then I texted Claudia last night, what's on my list? And we came up with nothing. Concert movies.

What's so great is while that was the Fast Five, it's just getting started, you guys. Kiki Palmer. The show is far from over. The show is far from over. Kiki Palmer is about to join us. You are going to love the episode. You can watch it on YouTube.

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Enjoy the episode, you guys. We love you and we'll see you tomorrow. Love you, bye. Welcome back to The Toast. Today's such an amazing day because we are joined by someone who was added to our dream guest list about a year ago. And she's actually the first person to make it off the list and onto the podcast.

So please welcome to the show Kiki Palmer. Hey girl girl. How y'all doing? This is really exciting for us. I actually don't know how to properly introduce you. Like if you're in the back of a taxi and the driver says, what do you do for a living? Like, how do you even answer that? I usually just keep it simple and say I'm an entertainer. A multi hyphenate. Multi hyphenate. I just kind of keep it short, you know.

Now, I don't know if you know this, this is actually not our first time meeting. Yeah, let me tell you. When I was in college, I was an intern, kind of like an amazing intern at AOL Build, do you remember that? Yes! And you came in and I was so dazzled by you,

obviously I grew up watching you, you've had an enormous impact on both Jackie and I, and you were so lovely back then, and you were so lovely today, and I was just like so, it's really nice to see people, you know, you never know when you're meeting someone, they could be having a day. You have always been like so bubbly

and exactly how someone would want you to be, and so it's so nice to be a fan of yours and then get to experience that in real life, because you really are like a delight. Girl, that made me just smile so big, thank you. No, it was like one of the best days, and that was seriously like one of the worst internships of my life, like hated every minute,

but it was so much fun, because you would see a lot of celebrities coming in there, and people could be, you know, unique in a green room when no one's watching. And you were just lovely. Really. Oh, that makes me so happy. You're being such a cancer lover girl.

I really just live there. Well, yeah, we connected about our horoscopes. We were just talking about horoscopes. What's your sign? I'm a Virgo. And what does that mean? And honestly, Virgo and Scorpio are like, you know, you guys are our evil twins. Oh Wait, is it so we're we're good. No Virgos are the saints

I know I love yeah that it doesn't because usually the girls are always into astrology. We keep about it I love that you guys are like, oh no, no, no, you know, we were to talk about, you know current events You know, I like the other girl. We are not like the other podcast hosts like we have serious conversations I love that thank you. He just told me I'm a water sign and up until now that's like been a core tenant of your personality Claudia's Yes Cancer Pisces all water signs, Virgo, Capricorn, Taurus, Earth signs. This changes things.

Everything. Fire signs. This changes everything. Now we're so honored to be here because we know you're doing a lot of press. You have a second book coming out. It's called Master of May, comes out today. My question for you is like, first of all,

you do so many things, right? You sing, you dance, you do pretty much everything, host, act, why a book and why a second? You sing, you dance, you do pretty much everything, host, act, why a book, and why a second book? Well, you know, I've had, I have a really close relationship actually with my book agent, Lacey, and she was such an integral part of obviously writing my first book and that process, and so we talked a little bit about

if I were to write another book, I think maybe like five or six years later, and I was just kind of like, no, no, no, no, and then after becoming a mom and just, I mean turning 30 is such a big thing as well. Just different girl, just different revelations. It sounds so crazy because age is nothing but a number. But it's a lot.

It's a lot, a lot of time has gone by. You start thinking about things differently. Like you genuinely change. Your frontal lobe has had five years to really get into it. Frontal lobe. And you're ready to get it going. And so at that point I Thought to myself I think I do have something to say now. So ultimately it's just me feeling like I have something to offer

Yeah, can I ask you what your relationship with turning 30 was like like for me? It just happened. It was it was hard I'm like especially when you do this for a living like it's a young gals game And so it already takes you to like a new year Yeah, it was a lot and I think in Hollywood they have like a very similar obsession with youth. How did you turn 30? I think I'll be honest that it definitely is like, okay, how does this now affect how people view me? I think age can feel fine to you,

but you always wonder how other people then are gonna view you based on age. So I'm not like unaware of that, but at the same time I was going through so much. I just had a baby. I was trying to figure out if I wanted to do a big party, if I didn't want to do a big party. I just, you know, all the feelings that come with like,

after, what do they call it? Post-party, post-baby, I was also going through. So it was a bunch of mixed emotions. I would say that that first year into 30, like 31, now being 31, I can say that I really prefer 30s over 20s. Without a doubt. Why? I feels over 20s, without a doubt. Why?

I feel like the 20s, it was just like so crazy and I didn't know what was going on and everybody was getting on my nerves and so many friends were lost and so many lovers. It was just too much. Come and gone, yeah. Come and gone, girl. At 30, I feel like, hold up, wait a minute.

Stable. I'll get back to you when I can. Yeah. Hey boo. Settled. You know what I mean? It feels more, I feel more at ease. I have more of a peace to me. That yeah, I think can only come with age.

I like that. Do you think that also comes with, cause I feel like that's what happened to Jackie. Like when she became a mom, she became so much more settled and like not so, like I'm so rattled by things. Like she, like you can not rattle this bitch. Like I think, do you think that's part of it too?

How old is your baby? I have a two and a half year old and a one year old. Oh, what a blessing. I love the little twos, both two, and under two. Yeah, amazing. So wait, how did I feel? I do think motherhood did that to me in a lot of ways. It gave me a lot of peace because it gave me perspective.

When it's just, when it was just me, it was very much so too much me. Everything was personal. It was hard to be objective about situations in terms of how much I wanted to give myself to things. But when you have a kid, or at least for me, when I had my son, it became very easy to know what was needed and what wasn't needed. Because if it took from me or made me feel

in a way that I thought I couldn't provide the best energy, space, and whatever for my son, then I'd just walk away from it and it just lets you know that nothing truly is the end of the world as long as your kids are fine. Like, my kids are good, honey, I'm good. That's when things are getting crazy. But if my kids are good, then life is really not a trouble.

No, I think that's a really good litmus test. The bar is now so different for you. Like, so like how you feel. Like, are your kids good? Then you're good. Literally, and that's a really good litmus test. The bar is now so different for you. So how you feel, are your kids good? Then you're good. Literally, and that's a great feeling. I'll be honest, life sometimes feels so me, me, me, me, me. And there's amount of selfishness that you need to survive and be great. But also it feels really good for me personally to pour into something else.

I've always poured so much into my career and I always will. I feel so purposeful in that. But knowing also that I can give to my son and that child is so worthy of everything that I can give, it also feels awesome. It puts a lot of pressure off of me and what I think I need to achieve. Yeah, but it also gives you a reason for doing what you're doing.

Besides just success and money and fame, no, you're building something for your son. Yes, I live for that. Now, let me ask you a question because when Jackie and I were talking about what we needed to talk to Kiki about, we didn't even know where to start, right? You have really been such a positive influence,

of course, starting with True Jackson VP. Come on, VP. I did want to know, what do you consider your big break? I consider two. Barbershop? For different reasons. Well, I mean, now I could say three.

Barbershop because it broke me into the industry, right? And that's kind of like the hardest thing to get off the ground. It's like just a part, a role, something where you can say lines. I didn't realize how difficult that was, but I did after experiencing more of the industry and everything doesn't always happen that fast.

So yeah, I think Barbershop 2 was definitely a big break, but when I think about my break of people knowing my name, the first one would be Akeel and the Bee, but it was like a slow burn. Thank you so much Like seriously. They don't make movies like that anymore. Oh, literally that movie I'm obsessed with whatever it's on cable. I'm always watching it. Thank you Okay, let me be was absolutely a slow burn meaning it was popular a bit when it came out in the industry But it really didn't become popular until years and no they like started putting it all over cable like ease movies We love it's always the E movie we love.

Like I agree, I don't even remember seeing it when it first came out. They're right for that. No, they're right for that. No, absolutely nobody really watched it when it came out. It was kind of like a bad, it was kind of like, oh, the movie bombed. But then like, it was a sleeper.

Yeah, it was a sleeper. Yeah, I remember that when they would call things, yeah. It was a sleeper hit. And so that, what I would say, was a big break in the industry, and then over time, it became something I was known for. But the thing that put Keke Palmer on the map, like, boom, was True Jackson VP.

After that, my life changed, honey. You had to be there, like that, that song, S-O-N-V-E, like, so good, we used to watch it all the time, like, seriously obsessed. Oh my gosh. And you know what we used to watch it all the time, like seriously obsessed. And you know what's so funny about you? Cause I feel like we've been talking a lot in the culture about child stars, right? Like there's all these documentaries

and you're one of the few people who kind of did both when it comes to like Nickelodeon and Disney. I feel like there's been like two, there were always like two separate worlds, right? Two separate channels, but you were in Jump In with Corbin Blay. You kind of did both and I feel like you're literally like the only person to have ever done that. Do you have different takeaways?

Did you like one more than the other? Oh, that's such a good question. That is. So I'll say Disney is really amazing when it comes to not only the storytelling that you see on screen, but the storytelling even within the company. Like they are storytelling through marketing,

through their employees. The clothes, yeah. Yeah, people got pins in the office. They are storytelling through marketing through their employees Yeah, people got pins in the office like they are literally a whole like universe And I think that feels really good especially when you're a kid because the magic doesn't end There's an element of being a part of it that I think feels really really fun I would say that when it came to Nickelodeon They definitely like their paying was really awesome. Oh wow, really?

Yeah, and different things like that. So interesting. What else did I like about working with Nickelodeon? I don't know, I think theirs was a little bit more, I don't wanna say clinical, cause they both have a clinical, they're both corporations, but Disney has a way of making you wanna be a part of it,

even if it's like, you know. Kinda like a cult. Yeah. Right? That's how you make it sound. You could describe it as that, except, you know, no bad things. All positive, all positive.

All positive. But yeah, Disney has a way of, you just want to, it feels like, I need to be here. Yeah. You know what I mean? It feels like something you want to be a part of, where Nickelodeon's kind of like, come in, get this checked.

Right, right. It's a job. It ain't about making it necessarily exciting, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, about making it necessarily exciting. Except for that slime. But when it gets all of your hair and stuff, I'm booed. You've been slimed. Oh my gosh, one day, we were doing this big promotional thing

for all the new shows that were coming to Nickelodeon. And we had to get slimed. But obviously when you're filming things, you don't just film it once, you film it multiple times. Dreadful. Sweetie. And this was like in the weave era. This is not even like the wig era.

If this was the wig, more of the wigs, then it would have been fine. I suppose you should get a new wig. I just put the wig on. Honey, this was in the weave era. So when I tell you that they slimed me, then they had to wash all of it out. I was like under the drive for hours.

Then I had to get, just to get slimed again. Oh honey, I hated that slime after that. It was too much. That is so funny. Well, you know, you're actually, and let it go, saying we talk a lot about child stars because I think a lot of child stars end up writing books, much like you.

And one of our favorite books to reference, like Jeanette McCurdy's book, Josh Peck from Nickelodeon, his book was amazing. And they talk a lot about like what it, like why child stardom has the reputation that it does, right? And so much of like what Josh Peck had said that really like left like, I think an impact, right? And so much of what Josh Peck had said that really left, I think, an impact on us

is so much of it has to do with your parents' involvement. And then Jeanette McCurdy sort of said that too, because her mom kind of, and the book goes on about, whatever, I'm not gonna get into it. But you have really ended up not only having such a long career, but you seem so sound of mind, well adjusted. And I'm curious what you attribute that to,

because you were in the trenches with everyone else. That's a good question. What do I attribute it to? What do I attribute it to? I don't wanna say just my parents, because I don't think everybody has, you know, what is a terrible, you know what I mean? I think everybody's doing the best they can.

And I did have problems with my parents during that time, of just them not understanding what I was going through. And so it wasn't totally peachy keen, but I do think that my parents did a really great job trying to explain to me what it was I was doing at these companies so I didn't take things personal. I think how they make you feel about yourself and how that, you know, your work and what you receive

and what you don't receive, how that is connected to your esteem are really important things to talk through. I think my mom did a really good job trying to help me process those things. But I also attribute other people in my life. I remember when I was about 17, I was like, I'm done with my parents,

they don't understand me, I can't do this anymore, da-yada-yada-yada. And I emailed my attorney, he's still my attorney to this day, he started out being my attorney when I was 12 years old, I said, look here, my parents, they're done. I'm ready to be emancipated. That's so true, Jackson. Oh my God.

I was like, honey, I'm ready to be emancipated, I'm done with them, they're gone, out of here. And he was like, Kiki, there are other ways to deal, you don't have to do it this way. Maybe your parents and you just need to do therapy, there are other things that can happen, like you don't need to go this route. And your parents and you just need to do therapy. There are other things that can happen. Like you don't need to go this route. And obviously as an attorney,

somebody that's making money off of me, it would probably be great for me to get emancipated. Like it would be a great thing. Think of the hours. Yeah, like it would be great. It would be, you know what I mean? But he really urged me to not run away from the hardship of kind of being the first

in my family to have this kind of, be in this kind of being the first in my family to have this kind of, be in this kind of situation, have this kind of financial overflow and freedom and how that affected our relationships. Make a long story short, he has that conversation with me, I'm like, okay, Ken, he's like, honestly, a lot of people experience this more than you know, you'll be fine. Couple of weeks go by and I'm on the set of True Jackson VP

and I get a call from this like really, really obscure number. And I'm like, what obscure number? Like, this is weird, I'm not answering this. I go work, I come back and I see there's a voicemail left from this same number. And I, okay, let me play it. Hey, Kiki, it's Will. We're over here doing karate care with Jaden.

I just wanna let you know I talked to Ken. He let me know everything you're going through and I want you to know, sometimes it's hard being the first, but you'll get through. Just keep staying focused. Love on your family and y'all gonna be good. I gotta get that.

Will Smith, girl. Wait, that's so crazy. It was so insane. You didn't pick up. I did not pick up. I couldn't believe, because the number was like a Hong Kong number. It was like, I was like,

I ain't never seen no number like this before. Like, what's this government? I didn't know. And then when I listened to the voicemail, I'm like, oh my gosh. And it was just like, we'll be in like, you know, look. It's something that happens when you're stepping out. You could be a child entertainer,

or you could be the first person in your family to go to college, or the first person in your family to get married, or the first person. You know, there's so many firsts that can happen as your generations, or the generations of your family family to get married, or the first person, you know, there's so many firsts that can happen as your generations, the generations of your family continue to grow and evolve. And this was like a difficult thing for me

that I felt meant that I had to throw my family away. Right. And so I've always had, I think a lot of people, whether they're notable names or they're my attorney, who you guys don't know, that I had a good community, that also my parents made sure I was around, that would encourage community and not like dissension and us breaking apart,

which I think honestly a lot of times happens when you're a kid entertainer because people wanna make money off of you and they don't want you close to your family. Yeah, that's the thing is like money makes it so complicated. It does. And so as a mom, how do you feel like if your kid ever said to you,

like I wanna be an actor, a child actor? I mean, I would totally be fine with it. You know, I would be fine with it. I definitely am ready to be a stage mother. You know, you're not gonna overwork my son. He's getting all his cooking money. 100%. I think I would just really explain it to him

the same way that I would explain it to my child if they wanna do soccer, or if they wanna play baseball. I do believe finishing what you said you would do, I think I come from a family of that, which is also what was so difficult, deciding that I wanted something to do, like that I had a craft or a thing I wanted to focus on, or I had a passion of,

because they definitely enforced discipline, which sometimes was like, okay, wait a minute, but I am so much better because of it. So I would encourage that and be like, no son, if you said you're gonna do it, we need to do it. But other than that, I mean, I would just have a really clear conversation about what it means to say You're gonna show up for something. Yeah, like that's just like an overall life lesson. I feel you know, yeah Yeah, good lesson. Yeah

Are there any practices that you think that should be in like the child? Entertainment industry that would yield better results for child actors going forward Like anything you wish you had on set growing up? I think that there should be therapists on set. I also don't think that everybody should be making money off the child. I know that sounds weird, but I guess what I'm ultimately saying is like, when you're paying for everything, it's hard to trust everybody. When somebody is making money off of you, you don't really know if they're telling the truth or not. They have an interest in getting you back to work.

Exactly, so I think there should be people that aren't being paid from the child, that aren't connected to the child's payroll. Whether that's a therapist that is paid through SAG or whatever that it can be, support for the children that is unbiased is important. Yeah, I think it's really tough because when you're a child you're trying to figure out who you are

and what you wanna be and all you have is your parents to trust, but then not to say all parents can't be trusted, but some of these parents can't be trusted. You don't know and so it's really difficult to be a child and have to have such a mature and objective thing about thing there's no way that your innocence is not lost yeah your innocence is gonna be lost it's just what happens is so if there's somebody that can help guide them through that then I would say yeah

that kind of person a therapist therapist or someone like that. Yeah, that's a good point. You know, we're the same age, and something you wrote about in your book, I felt like was so relatable. As you know, Jack and I grew up, we love TV. I mean, we do pop culture for a living. So many of our family favorite experiences

revolve around movies and TV shows. And you were explaining, and I thought this was so interesting, that in certain traumatic things you'd been through in your life, you were really only able to understand what was happening to you, because you saw it in a movie or a TV show. Like when you were saying that you saw an episode of SVU

about a child being abused, that was the first time in your life you realized that that was actively happening to you. And I thought that was really powerful, because I think a lot of people our age who grew up watching a lot of TV, I think that informs how we see the world and how we learn things and then that Laura Dern movie

and it helped you realize that you were in a relationship that was a little, you know. I thought that was so interesting and really very self-aware of you to realize. Oh wow, thank you. I think I've always wondered what is it that ultimately leads me to love the things that I do and it's coming from a place of service,

and I think that art with intention can be very much of service to others. And so in writing this book, I was really trying to articulate that passion and how it drives my purpose and what that means to me at the core outside of just being an entertainer, but really ultimately representing,

being a person of the community, showing and sharing stories, being of service of people through my gift, which is performing in this particular way as an artist. And I was going back to some of those first times where I realized the power of storytelling and how it can be of service to so many of our emotions that we didn't even know that we had.

Where you can just watch a movie and you're like, oh my gosh, that's me. Yeah, that's me, or this did hurt me, or I never realized that, oh my gosh, this is what I think and what I feel. And the tale and the Law and Order, the SPU episode, all those things were a big part of my realization and being able to share and articulate that in the book.

Right, and then you become, it's full circle because you then become a part of movies and TV show that inform how other people see the world. So it's very- That shape other people. It's really, I loved that. I think that a lot of people, I'd never thought about it before,

but I'm like, no, I think definitely, I understand things that I've been through and different things that I've lived through just because I've seen it played out in a movie or a TV show. It's so, so true. And it shapes how we feel and think in society. Obviously, I feel like, even with satire, I hate so much how satire has not been as much of an exciting thing in this era.

I think everything is kind of so literal in a lot of ways. It gets lost on the youth. Yeah, the satire gets lost. But when I think about movies like Mean Girls, at the end of the day, that movie is also saying, this is what it, this is growing up. And that's really what it was when we were kids. Oh my God, it was ruthless.

You know what I mean? Where it's like people are just like, are you a mean girl or are you just a young woman? Ooh, powerful. That's what the movie was actually, to me, was saying because, okay, Regina is outwardly mean, but Lindsay became, remember when old girls said, you are a mean girl.

You're a bitch. You're a bitch. You're a bitch. When she, that's what, and it's so nuanced because the conversation is really like, everybody is just trying to figure out how to belong. And sometimes that means that you might be mean or you might do things, but it's like the compassion

that we then had from seeing Lindsay have that whole thing in the movie gave us the compassion for Regina where Regina just a young, she was also just a young girl. She had things going on at home. I mean her mama was talking about something, I'm a cool mom. Like you know out. She had things going on at home. I mean, her mama was talking about something, I'm a cool mom. Like, you know, so it's like, I love that too. Like, what is the entry point to talk about something

that is important to us? You know, I'm gonna let Jackie ask you, but I do wanna say, I feel like, and this is gonna be Jackie's foray into all the questions she has for you about Scream Queens. I feel like Scream Queens is kind of like a more modern version for like a younger crowd of Mean Girls.

I think that was- With a spooky yooky element. With a spooky yooky element, but I think it, I mean, they talk so much about diversity and inclusion and I mean, even with my character in the end coming around to Emma Roberts' character who was totally being racially not correct to Zay Day, but then they had that moment and they were just trying,

I think, yes, to put a lot of those things into the forefront and to have those conversations through satire that we otherwise wouldn't have. But you know, Ryan is a king of satire, in my opinion, even with Glee. You know, that whole thing in my mind was so satirical. Being in that school and what it means to be a singer, you know what I mean?

I think he does that very well when it comes to comedy. I mean, even with Nip Tuck and America, all of it has this heightened element, but there's something else underneath that they're showcasing. And so, yeah, I feel like with Scream Queens, it was very much that putting all us up in there together, Lea Michele, Emma Roberts, myself, Abby Lee.

Jackie, ask all your questions. You don't understand how Jackie is obsessed. I will. Oh, I'm obsessed. I'm due for a Scream Queens rewatch, but you said in your book how you actually develop a lot as a human being through some of the roles that you've done. You learn about the character and teaches you

just a different point of view or empathy towards that person. So what do you think is the role that has taught you the most? The role that taught me the most? That's really hard. I would say, I don't think it's cliche, but it's, it's probably to be expected.

But I think it, the moment, the time in which I did it set the foundation of a lot of the things I believe today. And I think this is also why my parents were so specific about the roles that they let me play as a kid, because they knew that it would also be a reflection of how I wanted to be. Like I was representing a role for others, but I was also representing characters and roles for myself. And like your family.

Exactly, so Akilah and the Bee. I think the foundation of Akilah and the Bee really, even when I think about the Marianne Williamson quote, when we know who are we not to be. All of that really set the stage for me and who I wanted to be and just all those early influences. So I think that that role gave me the most. That's so interesting.

It's so good. I love that. It's such a, yeah, it's just a quality movie. Okay, well we have a fun little game for you because you're in so many things that we love and like we could sit and like talk, pick each one and get a recap on each one. Actually for hours. For hours, but we wanna do like a little word association.

Like we're gonna mention a movie or a show and just like, what do you associate with that? Like first word that comes to mind. Okay. Okay. Akilah and the Bee. Family? Love that.

True Jackson VP. Boss. Boss, yes. Women in business. Women in business, okay, come on. She was an old girl boss. She was an old girl boss. She was a fashion doogie browser, Women in Business. Women in Business, okay, come on, she was the original girl boss. She was the fashion doogie, don't play. Early Girl Boss.

Early Girl, you Girl Boss like so close to the sun with your jackson. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Um, jumping. Fun. It was a ball, honey. You keep in touch with Corbin Bleu? I haven't talked to Corbin in years. You guys should get together. I know. I want to have Corbin has been, man. Get those jump ropes out of the way.

Okay. Now that would be fabulous if me and Corbin went out there and double-deck with y'all. Oh my God, the internet would seriously not be okay. Wait, sorry, really quickly, speak of the internet. The internet is not okay with everything. Everything that you do. Everything that you do. Everything that you do, it's just. I wanna know, and the reason why I think

you're so successful at becoming a meme is because you're never trying, you're really just being yourself. Like you didn't realize, I'm sorry to this man, like what's gonna become seriously a part of popular culture. When you get out of bed and you're doing an interview, even here, are you worried at all that the one thing you're saying is gonna become a meme

or you just have to embrace it and you can't think like that? I wouldn't say I'm worried, but I'm definitely like, hey, anything could happen. I think that's why, I mean, even before Sorry to This Man, that's something that I think, as an entertainer, you're just like, you don't know where this is going. Which is why I said that, Sorry to This Man, because I was like, look, don't cry me.

Yeah, I was like, I'm like, what's gonna happen if I don't know this or that? So I'm just genuinely being like, hey guys, this is me, you know, I'm like, what's gonna happen if I don't know this or that? So I'm just genuinely being like, hey guys, like this is me, this is what I'm doing, you know, hey, whatever it is, like all love, you know, peace up. Is there, what do you think is the biggest like meme of yours? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, like that was huge.

That was huge, also the gag it, like you have so many. The gag is such a fun, fun moment in time. What is my favorite meme? I think that honestly my favorite one, because it feels a little bit like, there's two. There's one that's kind of like niche, that almost was not even like really started by me, it was like a story about me that became

like kind of a copy pasta, is baby this is Kiki Palmer. That one's so like in the back, back, background, but then another one that I like that's also very low key is, mm, this one has a little sweetness to it Is that from hot ones? Yes So far with you were so crazy like somebody was like oh when a mosquito bites a diabetic, why would you say that? But let me ask you a question you're like we're very one of the very few people to have ever done hot ones more than one Time you've been on it twice, right? life. But let me ask you a question. You're like one of the very few people to have ever done Hot Ones more than one time.

You've been on it twice, right? Oh, yeah. I didn't realize that. Because your first one was so popular. That one was so crazy, too. And you were really on it before the show blew up. Now it's super popular, but your episode was really a part of their come up. Thank you.

Is it the worst experience on the planet? It looks horrible. No, let me just tell you. Sean Evans, he's brilliant. He's so awesome. He's such a great journalist, and I love how he created something that was new in our... I feel like we're all in this in these different spaces trying to like you know million Yeah, we're trying to level things up. I want to come into these spaces to be like we're bringing something

Yeah crushes it and so I'm very happy for him and all his success. Mm-hmm. You are so funny on it I don't know. Thank you. I gotta do it again. I don't you do you do back to see my boo And they made all those vegan accommodations, right? That was really sweet, very generous. I was on a crazy diet at that time. No longer am I. Give me the regular wings. Oh, you're eating the real wings. Oh, give me the real wings this time.

Okay, Jackie, sorry, back to work association. No, no, no, thank you. Next is Scream Queens. One word. Crazy, that was such a crazy time and experience. So much was happening with me. Yeah. Oh my gosh, but also the show was insane

because we didn't even get the scripts until like after, like they would give us the script sometimes the day of. Like they were writing the show as we were going and I think like also like, I don't know, it's just like an interesting thing where I feel like they were also feeding off of us and the conversations with the girls. And the chemistry.

Yes, trying to really pull those things that, like you said, the satire, but also the real conversations that are happening when you put a group of girls together that are from different worlds and backgrounds. Do you think that Lea Michele can read? Do you know that conspiracy theory? Did they say she can't read?

There's a conspiracy theory on the internet that's largely been debunked, because she just did a Broadway play, you have to learn your lines. But there is an internet theory that was actually started by really funny pod really funny podcasters like a million years ago that caught on like rapid-fire that she cannot read that she's a literate how did they do it was so wait what did they pull it they took all these

different interviews her Instagram captions the belief was that Ryan Murphy hires her because he knows her secret and that he reads his lines to her so that she doesn't have to ever read a script. Damn, that's crazy. Why do people do this stuff? Do you ever see her reading a book on set? Ha ha ha! You know what? I didn't say she has.

I don't know if I ever, but I mean, don't nobody see me reading a book on set. Right, right. I mean, dang, I know that she can read, y'all. I ain't never seen her reading, but I know that she can read. She's got to. Kee Kee has officially debunked the myth. Y'all know that she can read. She's got it. She's got it. Kee Kee has officially debunked the myth.

Y'all know that girl can read. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. I'm sure I never, I believe Leah can read and I also think if she couldn't, like in the time that the theory has been out, she's learned to read in that time.

But honestly y'all, if she can't read, so what? Right. Shit, some people can't read. Some people can't do a lot of things. So hell. It doesn't hold them back. She can't read, mama can't read. Yeah, agreed.

We'll tell her what she can't know. Agreed. Shit, I'm here for y'all. She can't read, mama can't read. Yeah, agreed. With a television, you know. Agreed. Shit, I'm here for y'all. They don't read, they can't read. It's true. The illiterate community needs a voice like yours. That's right, they do. We gotta, you know, hold them up.

They do. Next one, we haven't even spoken about this, which is crazy, hustlers. Oh my God. Oh, hustlers. I mean, the word could either be magical, it could be fabulous, but I would say fabulous mostly.

It was a really fabulous time. I mean, I think anything Jennifer Lopez does is quite fabulous. She just brings the fabulosity to anything that she does. That was such a good movie. Oh, thank you. I feel like for me, that movie was really breaking through in comedy in a traditional sense,

because I had been doing it through socials and really like kind of doing my own content creation and showing people kind of like how it was evolving as an artist. And then when I actually did that movie, I think people saw it like in real time on a main stage. And that's why last year, I remember when it was announced,

Jackie and I were so excited that you were hosting SNL, because that's like, first of all, like peak comedy. But you have gotten so far off of like, you really like your own talent and your own hard work for so long. That seeing you host SNL, you were amazing. Like we expected nothing less, but it was so cool to see someone

who like utilizes social media and utilizes all facets of the business, like really get yourself opportunities. And that was, you were amazing. Oh, that means so much to me. Thank you. I mean, I really do love what I do. Like I love the craft.

I grew up loving it. It was great to do SNL because it brought that element of stage and TV back, which I only feel like I love the craft. I grew up loving it. It was great to do SNL because it brought that element of stage and TV back, which I only feel like I've gotten through multicam sitcoms, which unfortunately seem like they're not a thing anymore. And it literally is a stab to my heart. Like, come on, we need more shows.

Like, did I do that? Like we don't have any of that stuff anymore. So anyway, I really loved being able to do that with SNL. And it was just, I mean, going back to my roots and the things I love most about entertainment. So good. You talk about in the book how at a certain point in your career you invested in yourself.

I think it was around the time that you were doing Screen Queens. Was that a conscious choice to focus on the key, really to become a master of you, as the title is, but to focus on your brand and your social media and make that another tent pole in your business. It was, it was a conscious thing for me, but I also, again, I have a producing partner

named Max Wyeth, who was working for Dish Nation at the time, and they would want to do a lot of content for Scream Queens, and at that point, I was already doing my own content, like kind of just having fun because it was the only way that I could showcase ideas and things I wanted to do outside of like asking for someone to give me the opportunity traditionally. So I did it as a way to creatively express.

And so then I meet Max Wyeth during Scream Queens and he like, a lot of the girls didn't want to do social media stuff with him. But I was always down because I've just always been into like social media stuff. And so he and I- Yeah, it was fun. Exactly, it was fun to me. And so he and I became Yeah, it was fun. Exactly, it was fun to me.

And so he and I became really good friends and he was like, Kee Kee. This is how Max is like, Kee Kee, you sound like an old lady. We need to do something called Southern Belle insults. I'm like, what the hell is Southern Belle insults? And that's when we came up with this character, Lady Miss Jacqueline, who we have continued to grow

and evolve this character. And then we did Chelsea Barbie Taylor which I did turned up with the tailors and got my Emmy and so I really created a camaraderie and a love fest with Max and that also encouraged me to continue to invest in big ways of my comedy online because he would not next would always tell me was like Kiki you can do this we have to do it ourselves. Don't be afraid, like let's go. And like it really has made a difference in my career. So I always think it's important to say,

because I don't do everything alone. Yeah, of course. You know, I take a step and then the people around me encourage me to take a few more steps. Is there a TV show on right now that you would love to be on that you watch and love and enjoy? That's such a good question.

Thank you. Is there a TV show that I like to be on that I watch and love and enjoy? That's such a good question. Thank you. Is there a TV show that I like to be on that I watch and love and enjoy? Love Island, no I'm saying. Oh. Okay, what is the show? I really loved this show that I just watched recently. And I could see myself also being on it.

It was called Evil, it's no longer on anymore. But what I like about this show is because it just talked about like, so it almost sounds like a joke because it's a priest, a skeptic, and a psychologist. And they're like. Walk into a bar. Yeah, exactly, walk into a bar. And they're like literally solving all of these.

It's almost like Lawn Mower to SVU, but like spiritual and then psychological. Kind of like Monk. Yes, I love that type of thing. First of all, I love anything. Hey, honestly, when Olivia Benson retires, I would love, I would love. Kiki Benson. Come on.

Kiki Benson. We're ready. Veronica Jones. People aren't ready for it. We've got to save these kids. She is long, 32 hours and five minutes, that's all we've got. John. So good.

There's one thing I do, we're gonna save this little girl. Just the last thing. Like I feel like I was killed there. That kinda sounded like your Angela Bassett impersonation. But it's funny because Angela Bassett doesn't she do a show like that? Oh yeah she does, she does. 9-1-1.

All the greats, you gotta get on like, you need, I love that. You gotta be a detective. I see that in my future, you know what I'm saying? I see that in my future, like am I equalizer? You know what I'm saying, am I 9-1-1? Yeah. Am I Olivia Besson, the detective for the children?

Like I could see that, 50s, 60s, baby. I'm sitting in this, or I could be a pastor solving crime. I'm here for something like this. Oh wait, I'm sorry, I've been sitting here the whole time and I can't believe I haven't brought this up. Last year at the Christmas tree lighting, you did a song, right? One of those Christmas things.

Of course, with Adam Blackstone. Oh my God, like people don't know, and of course, Bottoms Up, like we all knew where we were. We all remember where we were in Bottoms Up, T-Map. Come on. You have such an amazing voice. First of all, I love those Christmas primetime specials. I'm Jewish and I'm like, give me more, I'm obsessed.

You, I was so blown away by your vocals. I've always known that you can sing, but you were up there doing better than some of those professional singers who, you, I had to just tell you that it was literally the best thing I'd ever heard. You're like the female Michael Buble, you need to do a Christmas album.

Oh my gosh, I do live for Michael Buble, and I do think I need to do a little Christmas album. I'm just here for the Sammy Davis Junior vaudeville of it all, the Julie Garland. You look sick. Thank you. I really just love that old school entertainment. And honestly, it's very theater.

It's just all very theater kid down. And it's so funny because when I think about me, Lilly, or Ariana, just like a lot of those Nick kids, even the ones that did Victorious, Leon Thomas, we all were just very much trying to get to Broadway. It was all so dramatic and we were ready to sing on a hat. It's just extra. And I think it took a long time for me to realize

that that was like a lot of how I was trained because I immediately went into film and TV but both of my parents did theater and that's how they, that's how I fell in love with entertainment. Yeah, I learned that from your book. I didn't know that you had a theater background. Yeah, literally I didn't either

until I actually did theater for the first time. I said, oh, this is why my parents trained me like this. I'm actually trained like a theater. I was like, oh this is so interesting. And so yeah, honestly shout out to my parents because that's how they taught me to see art like kind of all around. You don't have to do one thing. I have one final question for you Jackie. Let me know if you have one, anything anything else I do want to know what is Kiki Palmer's go-to karaoke song? My go-to karaoke song is always a Mor Puevito by... I'm not familiar. Please you'll is told a moon the El de Nero no important in me Nino, Kola saw oh Baby

Y'all know J. Lo played that roll down. No mine is literally bottoms up. Oh my god We don't talk enough about it. I doing all that It was so good. We had so much fun first it. Why was I doing all that? I actually loved that. No, why weren't you doing more? It was so good. We had so much fun. First of all, shout out to my sister, L'Oreal Palmer. She was LC on Celebrity Fame, Acclaimed to Fame. Anyway, she won.

Oh my God. She won and she ate down. I didn't know that. She wrote that song. Really? Yes, she did. We was up in the studio and my mom would always be in the back like, y'all need to write these songs.

Ain't nobody getting no credit. Ain't nobody getting no credit but y'all.'t nobody getting no credit, but she's so right. She's right for that drove them Music people crazy. She said my daughter's can write my daughter's can write L'Oreal go go and we'll be like and if I'm saying I'm saying I'm fine. Come on. Come on And she'll be honestly she's a little joe-ish. Yeah, you know what I mean, but she wasn't cussing us out She was cussing them out. Yeah that was like the better part about it. Mama bear. Mama bear, she was cussing all the execs out, but we was sitting there being like.

Yeah, just singing, doing your thing. Don't look at me with talent. My mama gonna get you together, don't play. Oh my gosh, well it has really been such a dream. Thank you so much for being here. It's been the toes. Guys, check out Keke's book, it's called Master Me. You can get it anywhere you get books.

It came out today, good luck with the launch. We're so excited for you. And really just like bucket list dream guest. You are even more than we thought you would be. Check. Aw, thank you so much. It's been so awesome hanging out with you guys. And maybe next time I get to see you in person, boo.

Yes. Totally. It'd be nice. Yeah, wait, thank you so much. And by the way, we didn't even talk about it, but check out Kiki's podcast. It's so funny. You're such a great interviewer.

A fellow podcaster. A fellow podcaster. We love to see women in the media. Okay, we didn't even talk about it, but check out Keke's podcast. It's so funny. You're such a great interviewer. A fellow podcaster. A fellow podcaster. We love to see women in the media. Okay, we're meteoring. We are meteoring. So check that out. The book is called Master of Me, and we'll see you guys on the next episode.

Love you. Love you. Bye.