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It's Jackson, Claude and neighbor show the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off, swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy Monday. I am honored and a little threatened to be sitting down with today's pro host. It's Shannon Ford in a crop top, I believe, a Gucci one. It's Fendi, and I'm pulling it down.

It's not, I don't want it to be cropped. Like, this was supposed to be an episode about like postpartum motherhood. And I'm over here. sweats and I'm like sweating with breast milk coming out of my nipples. Me too, me too. And you're, you're looking so insanely gorgeous. I want to throw up. You're really not really welcome here with this energy.

Hello, Shad and Ford, welcome to the toes. Thank you so much. I'm honored to be here and also I understand and I'll do better. I'm listening and learning. You look gorgeous. I'm so excited to have you on the toast. Literally, like Shad and I were always best friends. I want you guys to know, like we've been best friends since the day we met.

Like she's probably closer than me than she is with Jackie or Margo. But we have. recently become just sort of inseparable. Our babies are what? Like three months apart? Yeah, I thought about that the other day. Three or four. But I think three and a half.

We did the trenches together. We're here. We're going to do our best not to be like so new mama, but like we have to. Do you find yourself like not being able to stop talking about new mama things? Yeah, to the point that actually I was like talking to Courtney and I was like, okay, for my next special and for the next episode and she's like, hear you love this journey.

Courtney's also mom, my producer. And she's like, do you want to stay just all full? pregnancy, full mama. And I was like, oh, wait. Okay, you're right. I should like talk about other stuff. But it's all consuming in the best way possible. And I don't want to talk. I have nothing else to talk about. I find myself like writing it, like creating Instagram stories and just deleting them because I'm like, I don't know how many stories I can make about Ruby's Nap schedule. But it's so interesting. No, it is interesting. And it's funny because I worried that I was bothering you with certain like calls about breastfeeding or whatever. And then I realized how

much I care about it. And if anyone were to ask me, I'd be like, let me tell you everything. And so I'm like, hopefully you are the same way. And it's like, what's the point in going through this journey and like learning so much if I can't pass it on to the next mama? Like to the mama who passed it on to me? Yeah. And you have to pay it forward, you guys. Yeah, yeah. And I also, you're just as like psycho as I am and militant with something.

So it's really helpful because like sometimes talk to people who are like, girl, babies aren't robots. It is what it is. And I'm like, right. But like, if it, if she was for the day, if she was AI baby for the day, what would you suggest we do for that part? 100% I'm so aligned with you and it's so funny because like now I'm in Florida and we've taken our routine down south and like everyone's just noticing like how kind of crazy I am because like I'm in a house with other people. Right. Me, Ben and Ruby. And they're like all giving me side eye.

Like I don't give a fuck. Like yes, we will cut the day short for the nap. Okay. So true. When I took her home to my parents, I was like, I cannot remove her from her great grandmother, her namesake from her arms. but I was like, but so, okay. The nab. If we could just independent sleeping is something we're trying to do.

I'm cracking off. It's so hard. Sorry, grand. Sorry, grandma. He's got to independently sleep. No, I obviously let her hold her. But yeah, it's just, it's been so wonderful. And it's just the best thing ever.

I can't believe that I need like seven more. And I know that's also toxic to saying I should be the mom that's like, oh, I need a minute. But like, if you gave me seven right now, I'd be like, okay, I'll figure it out. Same. Same. Now, Shannon is here to do a lot of things. And again, I find myself, like, really trying not to slip. Slip.

Into, like, just mama things. Yes. And we'll do our best to, like, rise above today. Because we do have amazing stories, like, Chris Jenner's birthday over the weekend. Oh, yeah. So many good things to talk about. Like, it's a real Monday episode. But I do want to just, like, do the pre-facify banner, just, like, talking about

mama stuff. And, oh, my God, wait, speaking of Mama stuff, I wanted to talk about this. So many people tagged me, and I appreciate it. there was a by heart infant formula recall over the weekend and they're like one of our biggest sponsors so I just wanted to mention it in case like someone hadn't heard about oh my god what sign what oh my god okay Ben not you get first of all get out I have an instacart order and they need me to sign I just hear him whisper in the distance now you're coming in like okay what do I do you just going to take my phone

Okay. Go through it, Ben. Well, I'm in the middle of like an important announcement as well. All set to say, we talk about by heart a lot. They're one of our biggest sponsors and they had a recall over the weekend and I did want to mention it in case you guys hadn't heard about it and you are by heart mamas. Check your lot numbers. They released like the batch numbers and so just cross reference it with the ones that you have to make sure you're not apart. Google it. I'm sure you've heard about it. But in case you had it, I did feel like

a responsibility to mention it because it was kind of big news over the weekend. Fair enough, yes. So not. to be like, you know, darkness, but did want to mention that. No, Shannon, how's your feeding journey going? It's going good. It's, you know, when you regulate, I guess, like, if you're not a mama listening to this, you produce, some people are blessed and fortunate. I am a sole member.

Some might even consider me a president of the Itty Bitty Titty Committee. So I know that this isn't a correlation to how much milk you produce, but I just wasn't picturing being like a huge massive oversupplier. Producer, yeah. And your girl was straight milky girl. It was dairy factory. I felt very blessed. It was great.

And I think my daughter got really used to that. That flow, you know, she's a good eater. And she really liked that. She liked to be waterboarded by the titties. She really enjoyed that. Who doesn't? Who doesn't? I like to be waterboarded with my lunch as well.

Agreed. Agreed. Eat slower. Not interested. So yet when my milk regulated, which is basically if you didn't breastfeed, it's when your milk stops going from being such an oversupply and starts regulating to just the amount that you're infant. would need regularly throughout the day, which isn't like an extra 20 ounces.

Girl was not happy with it. She was like really frustrated with the Titei because it just wasn't waterboarding her anymore. So we had to, I had to like, you know, take a deep breath and just like keep putting. From a baby that like latched great and was so wonderful to then all of a sudden, it's kind of like when you mentioned how great Ruby was napping. Then all of a sudden it's like naps go to shit. I'm like, she's such a good latcher.

She's such a good eater. I produce so gallons and gallons and gallons. And all of a sudden she's like screaming, crying. throwing a fit and I'm like shit. Yeah. So. It's going good though. It's just kind of.

You have to also, I forget you told me this, but like being a baby is really hard. So I'm always just like, listen, I got you. You have to like, it's just like it's so sad when you think about the POV of a baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You barely say they're hungry all the time. Everything hurts their bellies. Like it's so sad. It is sad.

I know. She'll be like, oh, my baby, but I'm like, you got this. I'm like trying to give her words of encouragement. She's like, bitch I don't speak English. Stop. Shannon, do you have a good voice, like singing voice? Um, no, but like, like, better than most, but not like a good singing voice. Oh, really?

But definitely better than most. Yeah, it was an honor choir. Like every once in a while, I have the kind of, I have the kind of, I have the kind of singing voice that every once in the car or someone will go, okay. If I like, she's really good. No, no, not she's really good, but like, I'll just be singing bad and then maybe like I'll sing good one thing. And they'll be like, okay. And I'm like, well, now you know you have to sing. Like, now you brought up.

Well, I brought it up. I don't know what I would sing. What did I? Oh, I always got, I always got, um, picked for alto stuff in. Okay, Alto. Okay, Alto. Okay, sing whatever you sing to Daisy? Head, shoulders, knees, and toes.

Okay. Okay. No, it's going to suck now. It's only like good, okay, okay, okay. Like I'm literally begging me. All right. Oh, wait, but I only know the Japanese version. I'll explain later.

What? Okay. Atamagata, he's a hashi, he's a hashi. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Me, me, me, me, to, kuchito, Hana. Okay. Kuchita, he's a haji, he's a haji, he's a. Yeah, it's Cucci-toe. I've back-checked. It's Cucci-toe. Okay, first of all, you actually have a good voice. Thank you. Like, you can carry a tune, not me feeling threatened. Why do you know the Japanese version and why is it better than English?

It's just what comes to me every time because I know the Japanese version so much more than me. And that's my question, why do you know the Japanese version? Okay, so in my small country-ass town of Gilbert, South Carolina, I don't know why. And this really did not bode well once we went to high school. but they taught us Japanese. That was like what we learned in like elementary school and middle school. We had a sense come every day. Instead of like Spanish?

Yes, yes. And so then we went to high school and they were like, this is absolutely no shade to the Japanese culture. But like Spanish. But it's not a language you need to know it to live in America. To live in America, it would be much more suitable, but probably a lot more like helpful in the job force career wise to know Spanish. And so when we got to-

You don't know Spanish? No, when we got to not really. When we got to high school, they were like, oh, like no more sensei like here's your signorita like like we so we switched to spanish and i'll never forget i was in high school i was in like a junior year of high school taking like remedial Spanish like very low level Spanish and there was like freshmen that are just come from eighth grade in my class oh they knew so much and so the teacher kept like skipping over something like and obviously oh la la la la la and i was like whoa hold on well konichua um excuse me if we could just do you still know no japanese

Can count 100. I know like some phrases. No, I mean, I know like a couple phrases. And head, shoulders, knees and toes really stuck with me. But that is so funny. Yeah. That's why I know it. Can I also ask you a question?

And you can feel free to not answer this. And if you want to cut it out, we can. But can you talk about like when Lauren Bostic like went through like a cancellation like a couple of months ago. You happened to have been her guest on the episode and like you kind of got dragged into it. And it was like her thing, but like you were a part of it. What was that like?

What a quick shift from Japanese. Sorry, I forgot that like that was something you went through. It was fine because really, Lauren is, I truly, you know when people are like, I don't care what people say about me? And you're like, yeah, okay, sure. Like, I like, I say that kind of stuff and I like deeply care. I'm like, I don't care anybody thinks that me. Lauren is one of those like gorgeous freaks of nature who actually means it when she says that.

And I think that they just like, they welcome the smoke. Me, I'm like, I don't want no smoke. No smoke. And she's like, smoke. smoke it up. This is the smoking section. And so I respect that for her. She just wasn't bothered by it, which helped me a lot. I will say it was frustrating for a couple things because people would comment on my page. Like, what about, you know, manifesting, getting pregnant? I'm like, oh, it's okay. So I didn't say that. Right. So I don't even know. She said that. And also,

that was actually not even our episode together. That was the episode she did solo. We're really, I'm getting really roped into a lot of different, like, narratives here. Like, it was, but I really just decided to just not like when people were like you know how people are when they're like make a statement like are you going to respond and i'm like no like this is the first time i'm bringing it up like hot the the news job exclusive yeah exclusive people exclusive no um i just like didn't bring it up because i knew i could lay my little head down at night and rest and know that all i said was that i like eat sushi pregnant so like i don't care right right and and my tTC journey was like you know so much easier than most but i also and you know because another time you were giving me

so much advice. Like it was like five months of me trying and being disappointed and like there's room and space for everyone's disappointment in TTC. And I talked about it on my podcast a lot too in my and my and I get messages not to do my own horn. I get messages all the time that are like your pregnancy podcast makes me feel so much better about either TTC or being really anxious in the first trimester and like all the different stuff how I like had such bad cramping and no one really talks about the cramping and stuff whenever you're in your first trimester how like you just automatically assume something horrible is happening. So I was like, you know what, if people really listen to the podcast, I didn't say it. And I don't think, I don't think Lauren regrets

anything she said either. So it's just like, no, right. Like we're all good. Like we're good. So if you, you know, you can take what you want from it. And if it upset you, then that, you know, I do apologize. It's a really, it's a really sacred space. Childhood and childbearing and feeding children and momahhood. And I get that it can really affect people differently. And I, I cannot stress enough. It's something I said on the podcast with her that I think got lost in translation is like, I cannot stress enough. Consume what makes you happy, feel good, feel good in this moment. And if that podcast made you irate, throw it away in the trash, block us, do whatever. Like only consume what makes you happy. And that's what I was saying in her podcast. I consumed a lot

of negativity because it's just what kept getting fed to me in the algorithm. And it's probably because I kept watching those bitches. So they're like, let's send her more scary dark stuff. And so I had to like I had said like I wish I consumed more positive stuff in the early stages. So we were, I was just trying to be like, you know, positive and hopeful and say everything's not scary and bad. But of course the internet's like, but there should be a space to talk about scary and bad. And I'm like, totally. Yeah. No, I'm glad you brought that up for sure. Sure. Yeah. So anyways, I apologize if my questions are all over the place. Things just keep coming to me because we haven't podcasted together in so long. We haven't. I know. And you know, we were both in this space where I think

I asked her one time like months and months ago, I wouldn't have dared ask her why she was pregnant. think I asked you and you're like, I love you so much. I physically cannot podcast one more fucking time. And I was like, no, no, I totally understand. I get it. And then there was another time where you probably just didn't ask me because you're like, girl, she's, she's in the throes of it. She's a lot going on. She's got a lot going on. So we just have a lot to catch up on via podcasting. So I want to also talk about your baby naming journey because you had told me a name. Goldie. And I was like, oh my God. Not going to use it. So feel free. I love it. And did you actually love it, by the way?

Love me too. And then you were like, wait, never mind, Citro's a Daisy. Daisy. And I like that they're like, I'm not a baby namer, but I think namers would like put them in the same category of like traditional female. I started following these like baby name sites, whatever. Actually need to unfollow them because sometimes I'm like, why the, I don't care anymore. Even though I want like seven kids.

I'm like, okay, I don't need to like follow these sites. It said like, if you like the name Goldie, here are and Daisy was on there. So it's of the same elk as Jackie would say. Now, changing your baby's name is so crazy. Very Kylie Jenner of you. Oh, I'm sorry, bitch. Very you of you. You change your baby's name.

I did. Not me forgetting. I literally had two burses and your backs. Walk me through that journey. So it was Goldie for a long time, but it was basically just like, and here's what, like, you could do whatever you want, obviously in this journey, do whatever you want. But like something I won't do again is we won't start calling her that name because it really pissed me off when we changed it to Daisy.

I remember specifically one time we were like in the ocean on my baby moon. I had this horrible rash. And James, I was already like in a mood. And James, because I wanted to be fabulous and gorgeous and chic in my baby moon. And I was just like covered in this like really horrific rash. And which is like my pregnancy journey to a T.

Something was always wrong with my body or face. Eli, Eli, like what do you say? Chassehahum, chasticholam. Yes, yes,

yes, yes, yes. So anyways, James was like, oh, and you like grab my tummy in the ocean. It was like, Galdi. And I was like,

it's Daisy. And then I was like pissed. city called our baby the wrong name. I was like, do you even like Daisy? He's like, I do. We just, we said Goldie for so long. It's just hard to remember. It's facts, actually. But yeah, I basically was Goldie. And then I wasn't sure if that was it for sure, just because I was like, oh, it was just almost too easy to come up with. Like, and is it too trendy? Is it like becoming this really popular trendy name right now? And is this for sure what I want? So I ordered an Amazon book, baby, a thousand baby names or something like that. And it came in and to James, great dismay.

I like forced him one Sunday when we were eating brunch to just like sit. there and go through like a thousand baby names with me. That book is amazing. That book is amazing. There are so many names. It would be like table. Like it's kind of crazy. Right. So you have to like weed through it. And I wrote like three down. Daisy was one of them. And when I said it, James was like, oh, Daisy, I quite like that. And I was like, yeah. And then we found out that it was English origin. So he's like, oh, it's an English name. Oh, that's cute. And it was like the great Gatsby, Daisy, Daisy. And we just like kept it on the list. And then we went back through our list of like Goldie, Daisy and like a few others that I won't mention in case. We use them. And

he was like, I think it's Daisy. And I was like, yeah, I think it's Daisy too. So there's really not like a her middle name is Patricia, which is my grandmother's name. And it's like the most special thing ever to me. But Daisy, I just got from a book off Amazon. And it's not like a crazy, never heard of name. It's off just a classic. No, it's not like a crazy celebrity Apple. Yeah, yeah. But just saw it in a book on Amazon. Can't recommend it enough. I'll link it. I, I had like a couple of names and Rubin was one of them. And then when I opened the book, it said like the origin. And I knew it was like a biblical Hebrew name. Yes. But it translates to behold a son. Oh, I mean, okay, that's perfect.

Like literally me, behold, I gave birth to son. You guys in the Jewish community, I just, I think I learned this from you, but also mostly from, nobody wants this. You can use the letter of a relative who's passed. You can. Okay. You totally can. And like in our family, we do that too.

I'm learning that like my philosophy when it comes like naming after people is like, I think I prefer to be a little bit more literal, like not letter. But I might get to a point where like I want to do letter. Right. But for right now, like my maternal grandfather. was Rubin, Geller. And I liked the name Rubin. And they called him Ruby.

Like we called him Papa Ruby. So, so I like to be a little bit more on the nose. But I might have so many children that, like, I get to a point where I can't be so on the nose. What's your dream, like, or if you could choose, I know, like, a healthy baby or anything,

but like if you had to pick. Of course, of course, of course, of course, Scott Woodbwood. Of course, but yes, yes, yes. If you had to choose, would you want another, because I wanted a boy first, as you know. And I've said that, like, I wanted a boy.

And so then you had a boy and I was like, Clay, two best friends, just having boys. And I almost literally, I'm so insane. I almost bought boy clothes because I was so convinced I was going to have a boy. To like manifesting. Yeah. And then I had a girl. And now though that I have a girl, I like want another girl so that they're sisters close

in age. Yes. I think that if I were you, I would also want a girl next. Yeah. And then we can do boys. It's fine. Yes. And I think for me, I think both are good.

Like I think having two brothers, how cute. So cute. But I think if you then had like a girl and a boy, like a younger girl and then like, you know, older brother's friends come over. like how much fun that would be her boyfriend and they get married. It's so true. It's so true. When you have a boy, you can have either next.

We have a girl first. You almost kind of wish you have a sister next. A thousand percent. Because a little brother after a big sister, kind of a little shit. Oh. You know, like big shit. It's giving like dweeb. It's giving like little dweeby brother.

No, but it's also actually giving so cute. It is giving cute. Anyone listening to this is going to be like, hey, I have a little. It's also giving, I have a little brother. And so obviously I don't mind it. and he is like, and he's like, not a dweep. He's like the cutest, sweetest thing. And you know what?

That man would go get you a box of tampons and not think twice. You know, like he's got two older sisters. Oh, I'm sorry. It's Ben. Oh, yeah. Jeeve alert. Got it. Got it.

Okay, we can dilly dally and talk about names all day. But like, we do need to talk about the tursts, best-dye stories. Okay. And there are such good stories. And I chose one especially for you because you have a daughter. And I really want to talk about this Shea Mitchell skin care line thing. So I'll get to it. Shannon.

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Zavalo 70 is a sick theme. So Christiana celebrated her 70th birthday with famous family, celebrity friends during her Bond-themed birthday party. So she had her birthday party. It was held at Jeff Bezos and Nicole Bezos. I guess that's her name. Oh, Nicole, I have to stop calling her, Nicole.

I just, her name is Lauren. She looks like a Nicole. You can't do that. I call her Nicole Sanchez, but her name is Lauren Sanchez. It was at their house. Every celebrity on the planet was there. It was, of course, planned by Mindy Weiss. So here's who was in attendance.

Oprah, Mariah Carey, Tyler Perry, Vin Diesel, Mark Zuckerberg, Prince Harry and Megan, Adele and Rich Paul, of course, all the Kardashians, Scott Dissick, Travis Parker, Tristan Thompson, Corey Gamble. Martha Stewart, Chris Rock, like I seriously don't even know where, and then the performer, Bruno Mars. It's giving the white party. The theme was 007D. Hilarious. She looked insane. The decor was amazing.

There was like custom Dunkin' Donuts boxes that said America runs on Chris Jenner. Classic. Brand integration. Haley Bieber, Justin Bieber. Like literally everyone on the planet was there. What's so crazy is that it was also the baby to baby gala, which is like a charity gala for babies. They like raise money for like.

I saw that. It's a big deal. Everyone always goes, dresses up to the night. It's almost like it's not a baby met, but it's like people like really. It's a mechala. Yeah. And so the fact that it was two major events,

a lot of people did both. Also apparently Beyonce and Jay Z were at Chris's birthday party, but they totally avoided paparazzi. That's impressive. Which means that like if somebody wanted to, to avoid paparazzi, they could. Yeah. So everyone wanted the picks.

Yeah, you're right. Kim's All's Faircast was there. Sarah Paulson, Naomi Watts, Tyler Perry was in attendance. All the Hilton's, Kathy Paris were there. If you weren't there, you were a big fat loser. If you weren't there, you were a big fat loser. I very rarely, like, see things online and I'm like, oh, I wish I was there. Like, I have, like, FOMO.

Because, you know, like, celebrity, once you, like, have ever met a celebrity, you realize it's actually not fun to hang out with celebrities because everyone in the room is just like staring at the celebrity. Everyone's talking about the celebrity. It's like the party doesn't go on because the celebrity just kind of like ruins the event, honestly. Sucks the air out of the room kind of. And I'm sure they don't want that, but they just do. They just do.

It's like really not fun. But something like this, I just know was a blast. I mean, Bruno Mars like, kill me. Like this sounds so sick. Everybody, it was, I think, black tie. Everybody looked gorgeous. I wonder if she did that so that they could come from baby to baby gala straight to her. Maybe.

Or maybe there were outfit changes. Did you see Prince Harry's scalp? Yeah, the visibility of it. Yeah. And so you know how there was all those rumors that when he was wearing all this weird hats that he got hair plants. So I guess he did it. I saw that on Liz. Rumor debunked.

No hair was planted. Yeah, right. Still bald. So much content coming out of it too because, of course, Kim, Chris, Kylie, everyone was just like doing the most. And then over the weekend, Kendall, I guess, I think maybe it happened. I wonder what the timeline was because Kendall, like last weekend had her. birthday party. Oh yeah, on the island.

She rented that private island and it was like the same crew, like all the young peeps, except Courtney wasn't there, but all the other sisters were. They just, I know November is like a big season for them because they have so many birthdays. Yeah. But it seems exhausting. Yeah, it does seem exhausting. Also, I guess they're all Scorpios. I know you don't really.

Yeah. No, I don't, but I know because Jackie's a Scorpio. Happy birthday to Jack. Happy birthday to Jacks. So this party looked so sick. I actually like wish I was there. I know I would have had the best time ever because I know like, everyone had fun.

I know everybody drank. I knew everybody danced. I know everybody stayed late. Like I just know it's not a thing that people go to take a picture and leave. Like everyone went because it was definitely lit. Litty Titties plus there was like enough celebrities there that it wouldn't have been like the suck the air out of the room because there's so many regular people to famous people ratio.

Like the ratio was just like straight up fucking famous people. Yeah. It's like you couldn't. I don't know who's the most famous person there. Right. Is it Oprah? Is it. Beyonce and Harry.

Oh. Is it Jeff Bezos. Oh, Mark Zuckerberg was there. Yeah, but he's kind of accessible. Yeah, no, I'm just saying, like, it's so upper echelon. Like, this is really MetGala level. It's so crazy to think that, like, I mean, I know people talk about this all the time, but, like, the Kardashians literally started out as, like, just, like, reality TV stars

with, like, a little, like, tiny scandal. And now that they have, like, the most upper echelon 70th birthday of, like, iconic level status, one million. And it's because of Chris. Like, it's, and so her having this type of party is, and I feel like Chris doesn't get enough credit. When you think about the Kardashians, you think like Kylie, you think Kim, you think Kendall. Chris gets forgotten about a lot. And I think I said this a little while ago, like that Chris is my number one favorite Kardashian, and she still is. Yeah. When you rank your favorite, you know,

Kardashian, you don't think Chris. Oh, you don't even put her in there, actually. When it's like, who's your favorite Kardashian, you don't, you, you, yeah, you're right. But Chris is so underrated. And I think if any of the girls through a birthday party, like it would have been huge like this, but it would not have been this A list. And it's because of Chris, like Chris is so underrated. She's like that. A radio host or a talk show host that everyone's like obsessed with and loves and adores. She actually like, she forms a bridge between any drama that her other like honestly she should be added to, she might be on Liz Wood's list of who could cure the Kardashian and Taylor Swift

drama. Totally. Like, like what if you just call Taylor up? Call Taylor up. What if you just called her up? She really does just like bridge the gaps of any drama because everyone just loves Chris. America runs on Chris Jenner. Everybody loves Chris.

Yeah. I love. And she looked insane. new face is just settling in really nicely. The girls looked gorgeous. I want to thank Chris Jenner. This was like the most fun I've had. Seeing who is there.

The picture's coming out. Now everyone like Kylie, they're posting little videos. It's just a fun rabbit hole to go down because it's pargy. Hargy. So thank you to Chris. 0070.

Yes, very clever. And I do love, like, I feel like nobody gets dressed up anymore. So having it be black tie theme, like everyone's wearing like truly gowns. You feel like no get dressed up anymore. Oh my God.

I feel like everyone invites. I feel like no one has it. had a black time wedding. I feel like everyone's wedding is black tie these days. I feel like everyone. Oh, I don't think so. It's like come to a murder mystery party, wear a gown if you could.

Like I feel like everything is dressed up. Like we need to bring back dressing up. Remember when people used to get dressed up on airplanes now? I'm so glad I didn't live in that era because like I need to wear leggings and like a crew neck toast merch. But it's so cute. My parents. Right. My parents are adorable when I meet them at the airport or see them go to a flight.

My dad puts on like a like a sports coat. My dad is like my dad is like wears tea. and like tank tops sleeveless tank tops all day and like paints houses and works on like motors on jet skis and he was on like a sports go and he's like of course we're going on a flight honey I'm like oh no he's right like bring back just like nice nice nice nice my two piece blouse wear matches that's nice okay other big news of the weekend was kelsey ballerini's song that came out on Friday um it kind of took the world by storm and then her and chase stokes are spotted together, I believe in Croatia, holding hands.

Nearly two months after their split. So after the country star and Outer Bangstar broke up, and Onlooker saw them at Kiba Smash Burger, random, in DeBrovnik. In DeBrovnik. Good details. They were holding hands at the table talking closely. The Onlooker told people magazine.

After they got up, they walked together hand in hand. They looked very cute. So they're obviously back together. This is somebody she was with for three months. And now they're on vacation holding hands. Like, they're back together. They're obviously back together. Yeah.

Also not them being like, could probably get away with it if we go to Croatia and get a smash burger. And someone's like, got your ass. It's a Dubrovnik. At Dubrovnik. Not the Debrovnik. Smash burger. Like, we want to go to DeBrovnik to see the sites, try the cuisine, the indigenous.

We'll have smashburger. Yeah, I think I'll do a smash burger. That's like, I feel like the most Tennessee thing ever. You have to ketchup. He's from Charleston. But to me, like, I feel like there were murmurs about them getting back together. And them dating, I mean, them breaking up was. A little shocking.

So I wasn't surprised that they're back together. I feel like the big surprise is her song. I know. I wonder if she wants my freedom the way I want to be a mother. Like I could not get over. And the actual like music video was so good. And then the indie, the last line, do you understand the last line? Terran's due in June.

The album's due in March. Do you in March? Yeah, it makes sense. Do people not get it? No, it does. But Terran is her makeup artist. Makeup artist, but also like her best friend. One of her best friends.

And she's a really close friend. of mine. I love Taryn and we were pregnant at the same time. And when I was listening to the song, I thought I didn't hear it right. And so then I went to look up the lyrics. And I was like, oh my gosh. I was like not saying Taryn's due in June, the album's due in March. I was like, wow. And then something that's just such a like hits so different. And this always happens with Taylor Swift because I don't know if you do this, I listen to Apple Music and I always, if I'm listening to a song for the first time, I always left the lyrics come up. Yeah, I always watch the lyrics. And when it scrolls to the bottom and it says written by Kelsey Ballerini with

not another single person on there. It's such a sleigh to me. And that always happens with Taylor Swift. It'll be like written by Taylor Swift. And it really anyone, if anyone writes a crazy good song and it's just their credits at the bottom and no one else. I'm like, wow, that wasn't a co-write.

Like that just came from your brain and your heart and your mind. That's really impressive. And she posted a, you know, she loves a carousel. And she posted a little like video. Video of her like voice notes of the idea. And she basically like wrote the whole chorus. And it's really windy. it sounds like she's fucking sitting in a park.

It's just... Yeah, and she also did another video talking about, like, the decision, like, what the song is about. And she's like, it's the first time I've ever really written about jealousy. Like, if you listen to the song, she just sits in a park and she's watching this really cute family, like, sleigh to that family, personally. It's a mom and a dad and two kids,

and they're, like, having a picnic. And she's just writing about, like, what her observation is that, like, this looks like the perfect family. Yeah. The mom is, you know, so loved by the dad and these two perfect kids. And she's sitting there being, like, the mom's probably looking at me, like, jealous of the freedom that I have,

but she doesn't realize I got mom looking at her, like, you know, the jealous of. And I don't know why I found this so shocking because when Kelsey's spoken about, like, her love life and her career and her goals for the future, I remember her saying on, call her daddy, that, you know, her previous marriage, like, so much went wrong, but he was really, like, you know, looking for a mom and a wife. And she had these big career dreams.

And she was like, I didn't want to, you know, start a family with him. and I don't know if I even want to have kids at all. What? Yes. I missed this last. That was a last time she ever talked about it. And I was like, she was talking about how she kind of had like a, not tumultuous, but just like a little unstable childhood.

And that makes her question if she even wants to have kids. And so it didn't seem like that was something she wanted. So that's why I found the song so shocking because the song is beautiful. And I think it's very real for a lot of women who want careers and, you know, where does your career fit into your motherhood or where does your motherhood fit into your career. But I was like, oh, I didn't even know this was something she wanted because that was the only time I ever heard her talk about it on Call Her Daddy. So I didn't see the Call Her Daddy interview and I had the exact opposite. I was not surprised by it at all because she says in the song growing up

the welcome Matt, there's a line about how he never really wanted kids. And she's like, and now that I think about that, that doesn't even make sense. It was something. And I was like, oh, so I guess she wanted kids and he was like not ready, not ready. But then you said on the Caller Daddy, maybe that was just a lyric in her song. But it made it to me seem like she just didn't want her old marriage. Well, also her old marriage was plagued by a lot of issues. One being that they were in the same field and she was excelling a lot faster than him, which I think is really hard. When you're in like in the entertainment industry, everybody is such a big ego and you're both country singers and like one of you was flopping and one of you's becoming huge. So there was a lot of issues in her marriage and like not to say that she should have had kids with him. Definitely not because it was like, it was a bad marriage. And they got married really young too. They got married really young and it was just it was just not good. And I think he's doing a lot better. I think he moved out of the country. Like, I think that it was not right. So he was not right. So he's not right.

A country singer. Oh, yeah, but like a small time one. Like, I think they're just like very much like living in a van vibes, you know. Got it. Um, but let me tell you, not enough people talk about her, not to bring him up, but her ex-husband, Morgan Evans, like, released one album in the States. And it's literally like the best country album ever written. It's called, like, things we drink to.

Oh, oh. It is a good album. Like, not be knowing the whole album. It's like so random. No. It's so good. Not you not supporting women. And they have a song together on it and it's amazing.

Yeah, sorry. Back to Kelsey. So I was just shocked by the admission that like this is something that she wants. And I think so many people and she's talking like she sort of missed the boat. She's 32. So like don't worry, girl. You're totally fine. Yeah.

But I think it's like a very real conversation that I think a lot of people listen to the song too and we're like shook by how seen they felt by it. Yeah. Yeah. How did you feel about like career and motherhood? Because I feel like that's why I love what we do so much like content. creating podcasting. I feel like it's one of the very few jobs that not only so flexible schedule-wise, like you can be a full-time parent and a full-time content creator.

I feel like it really lends itself to both. But it's also the type of job where you get, I feel more visibility, more opportunity, becoming a mom. Not everyone can say that, you know, because I feel like I'm thriving even more. I have more to talk about, more brands, diapers, sure, let's go, formula. Yeah, yeah. I there's not a lot of jobs where you become a mom and I think your job flourishes and I do feel like when content creators become and podcasters and any

influencers become moms or celebrities like when you become moms it opens you up to just like a whole new yeah graphic a whole new opportunity so I don't know if like we have the same thoughts on that as like as traditional if you work in a corporate setting I was just gonna say not not every job obviously is that like you know Kelsey song that's like I wanted the damn tour I did it I got what I wanted and And like, you know, but that's not very conducive to like having a baby and being pregnant. Touring is not. Yeah.

No, can't stress that enough. Don't go on tour pregnant. You're so crazy for that. That was fucking nuts. Yeah, I could like dry. Heave just thinking about it. Anyways, I feel the same way. I feel like there's more to talk about.

But I do have this like underlying thought where I'm like, wait, because my content has not always been, you know, like it's not very family friendly friendly. Like you're a lot more like family friendly, I would say other than when you're like, what's up motherfuckers? Fuck shit. Yeah. No, but even I like. I find myself now, like, looking at what I post, what I say.

Yeah. Just through the lens of like, I don't want to embarrass my kids one day. I mean, I feel like I was never really like raunchy or whatever, but I feel like I've even pulled it back a little bit more. No, I mean, my digital footprint is harrowing. Like I actually really, I shudder to think about what, like I will not be able to tell her anything. Like, she'll be like you literally talk about.

But you did this. Getting fucked. Like, I'm like, oh. No, it's not what I was talking about. I know, like, how do we, I feel like so awkward. Yeah, it's so, I don't know what I'll do. Like, I'll just have to like pay someone so much money to just like pull everything down at some point. I don't know.

Anyways, I'll be like, no, mommy just talks about like her haemorrhoids and rectal prolapse. And those are all due to you. So really, you're welcome. You're welcome. No, I feel the same way. I feel like the door opens up. I just, I also wonder because I was so like, party girl, fun, fun, fun, fun. I wonder if I had got in my head sometimes being like, do people even care?

Do people even care? But I forget that, like, the internet. has kind of grown up with me. So they, those people aren't still at the restaurant. You know what I mean? Like, yeah,

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Thank you, Little Spoon for sponsoring today's episode. So this third story I, like, have so many thoughts on. And you're also like a girl mom. And so I would love to hear your thoughts. So Shea Mitchell, who's like a, she's an actress, but she's really like a renowned businesswoman now. Her luggage line, base is huge. She has launched a new company and it's sparking backlash because it's a toddler skin care line. So, oh, this is hers?

Yeah. Yeah, it's called Rini, R-I-N-I, and it's a skincare line developed specifically for children. ahead of the launch, Shea Mitchell posted a picture of a young girl with a face mask on. How young? The new product. Like middle schoolers? Or like children? No, no.

Toddler. Yeah. So she teased a new product. It's called something gentle, something new. Social media users took to the comment section. Some enraged over today's beauty standards. She said, I thought this was an awareness campaign about unrealistic beauty standards for kids, not an actual ad for kids' skin care.

This is heartbreaking and horrifying. Another one said, I struggled to find the right words to articulate. how disappointing and dystopian this is. People called the move sick out of touch and insane. So it's co-founded with her friend Esther Song. The beauty brands name Rini is the Korean word for children. So Shea Mitchell, so it's a, so I feel so conflicted because, like, kids these days are obsessed with skincare.

Like, I see, it comes up on my TikTok all the time. Like, my skincare routine, she's, like, using, like, drunk elephant and, like, they're 12, yeah. So, like, we can't stop the fact that kids are obsessed with skincare today. Like, the way that we were obsessed with skin care today. with like hit clips is what kids do. So the fact that she's creating, and the kids look up to, like, especially girls,

they see their mom's doing makeup and they're like, well, I want makeup. And so this is like a safe way for them to engage and share something with, I feel so conflicted because like, on the one hand, it's nice that like if a kid wants to copy their mom and they're doing it already. Yeah. We might as well give them a brand that's like totally safe,

totally cute and whatever. It's not going to do anything for their skin. It's just like a way for them to participate. But on the other hand, like, I feel sick. Like, if I were to make a thing for kids, it's like, well, it's a way to get. kids outside and off their phones and like I don't know but like it's happening anyway so I don't know I don't know here's the thing once again the internet is like mentally ill because they're like

horrifying distom I mean it is kind of dystopia I'm not going to lie but like it is it is but people be like I'm sick to my stomach and like like I know you're kidding but some people being like I shudder to think I cannot articulate the words like okay relax if shea mitchell didn't do it someone else would have done it and like also um you say is her co-founder Korean is it a Korean skincare brand it's Korean skincare yeah In Korea, they have something for everything. Like, I'm sure there already is some sort of like child skincare line there. Like, that's like their thing.

And they're really good at it. They're really good at it. So like, why not Shane Mitchell? Someone was going to do it. Why not her? Like, it's fine. But what she could have done is like if you, if you want to engage with your mommy and copy what your mommy does, like it could be a play kit.

Like there's play makeup kits. Like it could be like fake. It could be fake. They're not really cooking. And she would have sold a fake set. It kind of would have gone along with her little like luggage brand and everything. I don't think she needed to come out with like actual physical skincare to put on her face. Like it also just seems like hell of messy.

Like why I don't know. Yeah. I don't see the point in it. But I'm not like I'm not. She didn't come out with makeup for toddlers. You know what I think of it. I think of it as the same as makeup. Like it's strange.

Like I grew up in a house with all girls and we had like fake makeup. Sure. It was like fake pallets. Yeah. Yeah. And that's fun. So much of kids plays pretend. Yeah.

Fake kitchens. Um, and then like your mom would put lipstick on. you like while she was going out and it was like so special. Because it was a big special thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I don't know.

I like, I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I just hate that like that's what the world is. I think it's, I don't have a problem with Shane Mitchell. I have a problem with the world. Yeah. And you know what also?

I think it, it could have been for middle schoolers. I think it's really bizarre that it's for toddlers. It creates this, it creates this weird thought of babies being adults. And you don't want to think of babies being adults, right? We don't want a toddler to think it needs skin care. because that's what a toddler, if they're playing pretend, thinks, like, I need to put this on.

I don't know. It creates a, I don't like the age of it. Like, when you just said it's for little kids, I'm like, oh, grow up. Like, all these 12-year-olds are using skincare anyways. But you're saying it's for, like, toddlers is kind of fucking weird. Well, the picture is her daughter. How old is her daughter? She can't be more than five.

I don't know how old kids are. It's so annoying. Like, how old are these two kids? Those two kids are. Like six? Those are kids. They're not, they're not teens. No, it's not teens.

They're like in first grade. So like to be clear, I'm not mad at Shea Mitchell because, and her explanation is like, you know, my daughter wants to play with me. I would rather her use this than real hyaluronic acid. Like having like so. So what is it? It's just a nothing burger. Like is it? Facial masks.

That's it. It's just they have a lot of masks. They look like, you know, puppies and pandas and unicorns. No, but like what's in it. That's by the way. That's what adults wear. Like if I see one more girl out with like stars on our face, like that's what adults are wearing to. And then in.

this picture, then on the brand, they have a picture of like a bunch of kids wearing it. It's, um, I would say this girl's probably 13 and then the youngest is five. I don't mind if you're buying it if you're 13 to 10 to 13 year old, whatever, but like a five year old, you know, this is weird to me. It's created for growing faces ages three and up. Three and up is crazy. I mean, whatever. Yeah.

It's okay. I hate to be like a part of like, this is wrong, but like, I don't know. I don't have a problem with Shane Mitchell. I can't stress that enough. Like she's, this is what the world is. Consumerism. You know what?

Get your bag says if she didn't do it, someone else was going to do it. And it's like, she's doing it safe and ethical. You know, I'm sure she's got it all. And whatever. It's like,

skims bush. It's like, okay, so she's popping off and people hate it and people love it. Like you're making news. That's great. We're talking about it on like the most popular podcast in the world right now. So she's doing something good. They want to help nurture healthy habits and spark confidence.

I don't know. I hate this. Oh, my, I chose, I chose six stories. Oh no, I chose five stories. Okay. Fourth story, Kim Kardashian did not pass the bar. I saw this. She said, well, I'm not a lawyer yet. I just play a very well-dressed one on TV. So six years into this law journey, I'm still all in until I pass the bar. No shortcuts, no giving up, no more, just more studying, and even more determination. Thank you to everyone who has supported and encouraged me along the way. Failing short, falling short is not a failure.

It is fuel. I was so close to passing the exam. And it's only one. motivates me even more. Let's go. Now, I want to say a few things. The fact that she didn't pass is not a big deal. Like so many successful lawyers. Like, it's the hardest test. Have you seen suits? Megan Mark wouldn't pass forever. Right. It's not a litmus test on whether you're going to be a good lawyer or not, or whether you're smart or not. Like, some of the dumbest people I know have passed and some of the smartest people I know have not. Like it's not a big deal. It just makes it, it begs the question, like, why? You don't have to do all this. Like now I see her on the show because I'm watching the new season. And like her flash cards for years, her and her flash cards while she's doing TV show.

Her flash cards while she's doing a photo shoot. Her and a flashcards while she's being a mom to four. Like, girl, you're a billionaire. Chew! Like, if I'm a billionaire, you're not going to catch you doing this much. No, but I'm telling you, wish list. She wants the baby face and the fat ass. She wants the Oscar on her bathroom floor.

She wants it all. And like, she should have it. She should. Like, it's coming really hard to her. No, it's coming hard to me. Because, like, I just like, no shade to Miss Kimberly Noelle, with the same middle name as to me, spelled the same. everything and I don't think people talk about that enough but um she just wants it so like you're

allowed to like strive for things and i think the main thing she wants people to know is that she can that she's not stupid that she's not just like a girl who had a sex tape and a reality star and a big butt and comes out with like bush underwear that she could she could not that anymore like i feel like the world gets it that she's a business woman people who hate the Kardashians can admit that they are savvy business women and kris kim and kris are the smartest of them all like do you think that people still don't put kim in that category because you're like yeah but she has a momager like Chris Jenner. So that's why it's all great.

Like I think she wants to prove. I feel like people have given her her flowers. I feel like it's been proven. But I understand she wants to still continue to prove people wrong. I get it. It's just, I feel exhausted for her. I know.

Watching the new season, even with the acting thing. I'm like, why? I was going to say it's the acting thing. It's like for what? People act to become billionaires, not billionaires to become actors.

Like acting Loki sucks. It's all day. And it's just like, and she's missing family stuff. I'm watching the show and I'm like, girl, why are you doing all this. I know.

I know. I was just talking on my podcast with a friend that was like, yeah, but we were talking about the new show and how terrible it is. And she was like, yeah, but she's out there and she's really trying. And I was like, no, but if you're an actor, like, you should be good. Like, I'm not one of those things. But she tried really hard. I'm like, no, no, no, you got to be good. And the show, all's fair on Hulu. It's like, you know, people are saying it's the worst show ever made. And now people are saying it's like the worst show ever made in an extremely camp kind of way. And Kim has totally leaned in. She's like posting all the negative reviews. being like the show is so bad. It's good. And that's actually really, I want to say, a unique approach. And I respect it. Back to the bar thing just really quickly. I think Kim not passing. People forget that Kim actually did not go to law school and she's taking this unique

approach. She passed the baby bar. And she's doing an apprenticeship. So I don't think it's a big deal at all. It would have been really a sleigh and a half if she passed. But she didn't. And I don't think it's a big deal. I just don't think it's that deep.

I don't. I don't. I don't sue you soon as soon as she passes the bar. Well, she can't. She got a fast part. Yeah. Okay. The final story is some weirdness.

Are you ready for the weirdness? Yeah. So actress Rachel Lynn Matthews, who I'm sure you don't know, and I don't either. Can I please take a pause? I don't know who I was just talking to about this. But I was saying that you and Jackie know so many fucking people. Oh, wait. Sorry, Shannon.

I don't know who this bitch is. No, I know. But I was just about to say, of course you know who this random person is. I will be listening to the toast. Does anyone else listen to the toast? And you're like, so and so is just. became a mother of four. Congrats, Miles and top.

And I'm like, who the fuck is that? And then I'm always having to look up IMBD. And you're like, oh, yeah, I loved her in blah, blah, blah, blah. Y'all's wealth of knowledge on famous people is really impressive. But, okay, I don't know who this. I'm going to go to her. I don't know this person. You're not going to know her either.

Rachel, who? You don't need to know her for the story show. Okay, okay, okay. So Rachel Lynn Matthews, I guess an actress. She dressed up as Katie Perry for Halloween on the blue origin, very controversial spaceflight. Okay. So normally, why would we care that this random actress dressed up as Katie Perry. She, like, mimicked Katie in the blue spacesuit, kissing the floor, you

had a long black hair. Well, because she posed with Orlando Bloom on Halloween. Like, they were hanging. Oh, not like, because someone dresses Orlando Bloom? No, real, or it's Orlando Bloom dressed as a skeleton. Oh. Wait, that's... So the actress, yeah, I know. The actress was just creepy, be-list actress who was like, can I take a picture I'm dressed as Katie Perry, ha-ha. Right. So it's unclear. She was sporting a black-colored wig and a blue space suit, similar to the one that Katie Perry wore. She mimicked Katie Perry also by kissing the floor and writing Take Up Space.

She, like, Instagram, take up space because that's what Katie Perry said. So the separate photo showed this actress posing alongside Orlando Bloom who wore in a skeleton-themed costume. It's unclear where the photo was taken, but the Lord of the Rings star spent Halloween at the annual bash of Vasj Morgan and Michael Braun.

Who's the Lord of the Rings star, Orlando Bloom or the girl? Yes, Orlando Bloom. Several people questioned whether Orlando Bloom and this random actress were friends or strangers who ran into each other at the same party. If she's just some Miranda at a party who got a picture with him while he's dressed like that, it's hilarious, someone commented. But what if she was dressed as Anne Hathaway from Interstellar or something? No, no, because she posted kissing the ground. And someone screenshot at her Instagram story saying take up space, which is exactly what Katie Perry said. Right.

While going to space. Oh, Kitty Perry also had need your daughter, Daisy. I was going to say shout out Daisy. She brought a Daisy 2 space. And do you know the song Daisy? No, I haven't listened to it. I've listened to Daisies by Justin Bieber. Everyone sent me that after it first came out.

I forgot about that. Oh, you have good songs. Like there's actually a song named Ruby. It's really good. I think it's like by some band like the white stripes or something. It's good. Ruby was, you know how people love this list? They're like baby names you love it won't be using.

I fucking hate those. I never do those. I don't know why I have such an egregious like, stop posting those. Because it's triggering. Choosing a name is really hard. Also because I'm like, Wait, I like those names. Stop shouting them out for the world.

But Ruby was very, very high up on our list for a girl. Now I won't be using it because you can't have like a Daisy and a Ruby. It's just like it's a bit like too many IE's and Y's and E, E, E, and like Ruby and Daisy are like flowers and diamonds and whatever. Anyways, Jim Stones. Ruby is James's great grandmother or something and it was really high up my list. Oh, that's nice. Almost did Ruby, but Daisy does have a lot of good songs.

You should listen to Daisy by Katie Perry. Okay. We'll do. I just want to say, I think that, or, Orlando Bloom, like, went to this random Halloween party and this random girl was there and took a picture with him because, like, she understood the cultural context. Of course.

And, oh, to be clear, I thought, I think probably Orlando Bloom saw this girl in a blue space suit and a black wig and did not think for one second she was dressed up as Katie Perry. She could have been anything. She could have been like, she didn't really, like, do too much like it. She just thought like she was wearing a spacesuit. She just wearing a blue cat suit and a black long wig. I don't think he would have thought that she was dressed up as his,

and also, like, I don't know her what colors her hair to begin with. He might just thought she was like an astronaut. Right. And I don't know if Katie Perry and Orlando Bloom have like bad blood from their breakup, but they do share, you know, a daughter together. And I don't think you would be like making fun of. Right. It's not giving. When Katie Perry was at her lowest, like I think, I don't think he's, no, I like that. I just want to say, I think this is a nothing burger. I think this is this girl starting stuff. Like she, she saw an opportunity to do something extremely funny. And she did. Yes. And she did. And yeah, it's not giving, um, what's the ex of Travis Kelsey who's like, keeps dressing up as like her.

Kayla Nicole. Yes. So much drama with Kayla Nicole over the weekend. And the Swifties, the Swifties found her old tweets extremely homophobic. Oh, I didn't see this. Oh, really bad. Can't stress this enough. So she, yeah. She basically did this costume and like, there was like, she was like, the Swifties were starting stuff and she was getting like backlash for the costume. And so she tweeted like, protect black women always.

So that took everyone to her Twitter. And when they went to her Twitter, they found. really kind of crazy homophobic tweets. It was mostly homophobic, but there was also like some anti-black in there. So people were like, well, you're saying protect black women. It doesn't appear as though you protect black women. And it was really bad. She has deactivated.

I don't know. She's deactivated her Twitter. God, giving Twitter to, I assume Kayla's probably around our age. Like I got Twitter when I was in like ninth grade or something. And it was like the parents weren't on it. So it was like a way to get off Facebook when you would update your Facebook status. Like Shannon is bored. LOL, like you like then took to Twitter and it was just a conscious stream of our thoughts as 15 year olds.

It's so fucking scary. Scary. Yeah. When I went on Barry Cavalry, they did a sweep of all of our socials. Yeah. How lovely of them. Yeah. Like love is blind should do that.

Or Love Island or whoever keeps having all these issues. But they did they made us like submit all of our stuff and all of our we had to like pull our deep records. So like if you're trying to buy something I mean, you literally can't because like they've already swept it all. And there was there wasn't anything too egregious. There was like a couple. There was a couple like random things. where they're like, meh, and I was like, okay, but you see what I meant there? And they're like, yeah, but yeah, just mad.

Shannon, can you ask you a question like totally random? I'm not even addressing what you just said, even though that is interesting. Thank you for sharing. As a breastfeeding mama, are you fucking starving all the time? Not as hungry as I was pregnant. Thirsty. So, so, like Sahara Desert, but only when she's physically drinking from me or I'm physically pumping. It's weird.

It's like, and I try to explain to James, I'm like, I need water, like air I breathe. It's like water is leaving my body and I physically have to have it right now. I was way more hungry pregnant and it actually is, it's a problem for me because you have to keep eating to keep your supply up. And I'm just like, you know me. I'm like a crackhead. I'm like the energized brain. I'm like, blah, da, da, da, da.

And I'll like forget to like eat as much as I need to eat. And then I'm like, I am such a psychopath. I'm like, I only pumped like a quarter of an ounce less that time from that right titty. I know I normally pump more than that. And so it's like, yeah, I need to be better about it. But I am hung. I am always hungry.

I'm hungrier than pre-pregnant Shannon. Right, of course. So, like, you just can't relate to me needing to wrap the show right now because I'm so fucking hungry. No, but do you drink coffee in the morning? Yeah, I've already had, too. Yeah, I guess I'm just like... And then I pooped, so like, I'm really empty. Yeah, okay.

So skinny as a needle. So you're going to fall through the floor of what you need to eat right now. Are you worried about me? I'm stressed. Shannon, guys, if you've enjoyed what you've heard here today, Shannon has a fabulous podcast to your media production. I'm called Probably a podcast. You can find it anywhere you get you.

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drinks. Thank you for respecting my marriage. And every time I go to find your name and I'm like, who's Shannon Middleton? I know it's tough. It's a tough sell. It's crazy. But we're trying to. Yep. That's how you have to commit. You do. You have to commit. You have to have you. Haley Biber did. Haley did. Haley Biber did. Haley Baird. We don't remember her. It's so much. Such a good point. Such a good point. Guys, thank you so much. Listen to the testimony morning show we're dealing with the fastest stories you need to know every minute their Friday and you do to watch your on YouTube. This is up.

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