The Toast - Earle Meets Earle: Friday, July 31st, 2026

Episode Date: July 31, 2026

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It's Jackson, Claude and neighbor show the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off, Swirley. It's the Toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy Friday. That's right. Patch yourself on the back. We did it. Ready for another swirly summer weekend. Hey, Jax, how you're darn? I'm durn good. It's a beautiful day. It actually is a beautiful day, both in spirit and in physicality because it's gorgeous out, but we also, we did something quite beautiful. orthartic this morning. Something very spiritual. And I actually think our outfits sort of embody

what we did this morning. Very ethereal, very freeing. Born. Life. The official releasing of the hostages was this morning. We got gave the butterflies their freedom. We had like a beautiful little ceremony in the driveway. Zach made a speech like like legit. Like legit almost brought me to tears. He was like he was joking. But I was like, wait, that's so beautiful. He was like talking to the butterflies, like wishing them luck on their journey and letting them know like this is always their home. Oh my God, I literally got like choked up. It was so sweet. And it is one by one.

They flew the coop. And it was really, it was beautiful. Yeah, it was. And our resident animal rights activist, were you pleased with everything? Was it up to code? I mean, we did lose one. We knew that there's been this like dead one,

but it keeps like moving a little bit. So we didn't know if we should like throw it out or whatever. It was the last to leave because it's dead. And then Zach just like sort of picked it up and like left it on a leaf. It's like still moving a little bit. So we're just giving it space. Yeah. give it space, maybe it can heal itself.

And I think that's really good is that we only had one casualty. Some people said they've done it and they've gotten no butterflies. Is he sick? Yeah. He's sick. He's wounded. Yeah. He has a boo-boo. Yes.

It was really amazing. I've linked it a couple times on my stories, but you should definitely do it. It's been like a great part of our summer. I said to Claudia, it really marks, I would say, the middle of swirly summer. And today is the last day of July. It's true. And we started this project at the beginning of summer. and it really just marks this passage of time.

And I think the passage of time has been significant. It's kind of like visiting day at camp. Like you knew the summer was half over when your parents came to visit. Yeah. And Zach said like he wanted to do it again because like the Shapiro's are coming and they would like it. But I don't even know if we have enough time because it actually took three plus weeks. And I'm genuinely sorry to the Shapiro's like you just had to be there. Like you had to be there.

We can't recreate it. And you also like had to be there. That's what you got. You had to be there for them living on our dining table for the last few weeks. Correct. I'm excited to get the dining room table back. Yeah. So much more space for activities.

Yes, me as well. Can't recommend enough. It was really beautiful. And I think it was completely animal friendly. I agree. No, all in all, they ended up free. And I personally love to see animals being released from captivity. That is one of my jobs.

Like, what are the goals with my job? So I was thrilled to see that they almost all made it successfully. And it was beautiful. And the kids loved it. It was so sweet. And we had like a very ethical and safe. Oh, for sure. Environment for them.

Definitely ethical. Yeah. No one could accuse us of being otherwise. So that was a really great way to start the day, I would say. It was. Just like with this

sort of message of freedom. We continued with the pargy vibes. We drove together again. We did because we're filming a vlog after this. And I just feel like It means you love driving with me. We're having fun. I have no complaints.

That's so sweet. No complaints. And some days I just want to like cruise. And sometimes I just like to be a passenger princess. We listen to new music. and I actually don't drive a lot. Like I've always been the sister who like drives because none of you guys learned how to drive

until you were 30. And I did when I was 18 just because like Ben taught me. But I'm always being driven by Ben. So I actually don't even drive that much. Yeah. We had like a nice time jamming out. It was lovely listening to New Music Friday. New Kelly Clarkson music.

Yeah. I'd be lying. New Ellie Goulding. New Ellie Goulding four seasons. I feel like Kelly Clarkson might have a boyfriend. Like she is notorious for writing her own music. She even writes for others. So the last time we heard from her was her divorce album.

And today she's like talking about like a guy she can't stop. thinking about. But then the last song she put out was about Merrill Streep and Martin Short. Like, where have you been? Yeah, but so she told us that it was like she was seeking inspiration from others. This time. It's like the song just came out. I feel like she's self-referencing. I feel like she's self-referencing. Okay. You could like feel the, the personal nature of the song. Like who, who are we shipping Kelly with these days? There's literally nobody on earth good enough. You know who she needs like, not him because obviously he's very happily married, but like the vibe of like Peter Herman.

Yes, but I think she also needs a commoner. Like, yeah, with a group. What about like a commoner in the industry even though that is what she had last time i think like a true commoner with like a very good job so that he's not like threatened by her like level of well yeah a nerd yeah someone who cusses a little yeah i like that that's what i think um what else did i want to tell you guys oh and then we're filming our blog today with miss margot so that's also why we mr's margot came to town we journeyed we journeyed together yeah i had something you want to say just i can't remember oh i tried to watch was Stasi last night. I couldn't get into my Hulu. So I will be watching it this weekend. But I just want to say, like, I'm seeing a lot of positive response. Even someone here was saying

that they watched and they're like, we're obsessed with Taylor. And it's like, I've literally been trying to tell you guys this. I do feel that she will be the breakout star. I just want, like, I told you first. I told you so. Yeah, we know. Did you see that they had a Halloween party? The theme is like, so stasi, bubonic plague. I saw. And Taylor Shrek dressed up as Blake Lively. And she was like, I know it's the bubonic theme plague, but Blake Lively's boobonic theme. Bubonic plague of our time. Even though I don't agree with that, it's a funny joke. She's going viral for that.

I'm really excited for her. Like, it's about time. Yeah. I don't know if the owner is logged into Hulu. So if he is... The owner was not logged into Hulu and you know we all use Zach Shapiro's Hulu. So it's just been like a very trying time. If he's logged in, I can watch House of Sazi.

If he's not logged in, I can. I can only watch Amazon Prime. I also don't know if I'm really capable of not to make everything about me. I just don't really know if I'm capable of giving like an act. accurate recap, one, because I'm clearly so biased. And two, like, I'm not willing to change those biases. Like, I love Taylor Shrekker. Like, I will, I will never see any fault in anything she did. Agreed. And I loathe with my entire being Katie Maloney. And those two things are just like facts of life. They're not, like, open to changing. Right. So, like, yeah, I can watch and give a recap,

but don't expect to hear anything besides that. And like, what if objectively, even though I don't, I couldn't see how it's possible. But like, what if, but like, what if? It's just, I, I won't never I'm just there are two different types of people in this world you're too close to it you're either a katy maloney or a turdy lu like you're too close to it I am I'm like not to be annoying but like I was supposed to be in the video you know when I was filming math singer I was like trying to I was gonna like weasel my way and she was having Halloween party and I was like gonna make myself you know but you couldn't cameo you couldn't even make it to Halloween I couldn't hack it yeah I didn't make it to Halloween maybe season two Queen Corgi I would have showed up as

Queen Corgi I love I miss Queen Corgi I don't I know in a physical sense obviously like you guys deeply uncomfortable physically being in that. But I guess like in an emotional sense. No, I also don't miss her. But we will always have. They should have given me like her head. I know they keep them in a museum because they are like thousands of dollars. But they should be on the set like right here.

Yeah. They should. They should. Yeah. I majored with Ben yesterday. We played Taiwanese. I don't even know if you like caught that. I didn't.

When did you guys play? We were so slick with it. Where did I go after? In the afternoon or the night? In the afternoon. Where was I? Where was I? Oh, you went to the spa.

I did go to the spot. I got a gift card for my birthday. And I was like, you know what? To a local spot, which was such a thoughtful gift. So I went, yeah, I got a massage. Oh, I went to music class. And then when I came home, like, Ben was in the living room and I was in the living room. And I was like, Siamese.

And we just, like, got in a couple rounds, best of three. That's nice. And I got my fix. And that was it. Then I had to, like, go to Petco for Bruno. Bruno has become such a liability. But we're working through it. Yeah, we are.

He's on like a strict schedule now. He's just sort of been like lucy-goosey summer. Yeah. Eating this. I think we all have. Doing that. And now it's boot camp for Bruno. Is my part in my hair like straight or is it like a cocked?

It's not for cocked, but it's not true. So like, yeah, like drag your finger. Okay. It feels like not, you know, I love like a scary. It's not like. Oh my God. You are always setting me up. Oh my God.

But like. No, no. You should have gone the other way from the back to. I mean my rat tail. Like. call magnolia. Okay. Oh my God.

Magnolia's here. Magnolia's here. Which means Ms. Margo's here, which is so exciting. Look at me? Oh my God, it's worse than ever. Drag from the back to the front. Who does that? I don't.

It's pretty good. Like, I can tell. Like, the earth feels off balance if my part is not, like, dead set. There you go. Yeah. The hair is so oily. I've gotten into, like, a really lazy place here, where I'm washing my hair like maximum twice a week.

Maximum. Maximum. Maxwell. And it's not good. Twice a week is good. Well, one of the times that I wash them is at the salon because I've been getting weekly blowouts. And I feel like that's like a major wash. To the salon.

Literally. And so you feel like that counts as like three washes. They do wash it twice, but it's just such a deep leave. Yes, it is. It will always be one of the great joys of my life, getting my scalp, like, scratched at the salon. Oh, it's such a good feeling. That is a good feeling. Sometimes they're not going hard enough.

I'm just like, you can make me bleed. Yeah, that's where I can take it. When I get massages, I'm always like very gentle. I do not like deep tissue. No, same. I got a massage,

well, I got a manicure yesterday. And like, every time I go, they like offer one, but I'm like, no, it hurts too much. Like, I'm very sensitive. But I really needed to be like,

massage. So I was like, I'll sit through it. And I'm like, and the guy goes, no pain, no gain. That's not true of a massage. No, no, especially a nail salon massage. It's just like a way to passively

past the time. A massage is meant to be like relaxing. It's not meant to be painful. Some people find the pain like good. This isn't physical therapy. No, correct. No pain, no gain. No, I love like a really, I always say like I like to relax. I want to fall asleep. Like you can't fall asleep if you're being needed like a piece of of breath. But when it comes to the scalp, I want you to make me bleed. I know. My scalp can take a lot. I love a scalp massage. Otherwise, though, I am very tender. But there are a lot of people when they get a massage. They skip the scalp. Like it's not, it's not a universal thing that everyone likes. I always say like, you can skip my back. Oh, I want you. You can skip my legs. You can skip my legs. Because I also probably haven't shaved them and that's not nice. I say you can use them as like as a connecting point.

Don't just like go completely. Of course. Like go down the leg. But yeah. Move along. No, I think that like. Give it to the scalp and the feet. The scalp and the feet.

Yeah. And actually sometimes like a couple of times weirdly I've actually gotten a massage and I've only asked for scalp and feet because I have a spray tan. Like I remember I was on vacation once. Like at a wedding weekend. and I had a spray tan for all the festivities, but this hotel had an amazing spot. So I literally went in and I paid for a full massage,

and I was like, just fuck out my scalp and my feet. And honestly, it was one of the best massages I've ever had. I should try that. Yeah, you should. I also don't love being on my stomach portion of the massage. I always, like, turn around with a stuffy nose.

I don't like the flip. Like, I don't care which side I'm on. Oh, the flip is deeply humiliating. And it's like, that's, I was just getting in the zone. Actually, I didn't love getting, I got a bunch when I was pregnant of prenatal massages. Being on your side during a massage, it's like, kind of nice. They can't like get like the full bod.

If they give you the pillow, but I don't think they just like give out the pillow. Some. I remember a couple of places who like took their prenatal massages really seriously and like they had all the proper. I actually went to a place. With a hole in the belly. Me too. It was the St. Regis Bell Harbor with a hole in that. So you could be on your stomach.

And let me tell you, I think I was actually moaning at certain points. It was amazing. That's beautiful. It was beautiful. Today's Friday. We've got lots of stories. We have Queenie and We're going to attempt to do Queenie and We're going to attempt. We actually have a lot of stories.

I haven't whittled them down yet. I just clicked everything that I like, but I think we probably have like eight. Maybe I'll like, maybe I'll bop around. Bop to the top, girlfriend. I'm just going to like everything that's like need to know because I'm so sick of everyone being like,

why didn't you talk about? Blah, blah, blah. I just feel like we talk about everything under the sudden. Like what could we have missed? I know. But there were so many stories. I love that. It's like so rare for a summer Friday.

Yeah, it is. That's great. So I'm excited. Let's be grateful. So without further a do-d-d-d-d-do-do-do. it is time for the fast-five stories that yet it do need to know. And speaking of Kelly Clarkson, today's episode is brought to you by Wayfair. Your space should be like...

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She says filming season one was insane. So for the trailer, she's like sitting, doing hair and makeup saying, like, get ready with me while like. Narrating the trailer. And it's clear like for the trailer, which is cute. Get ready with me while I tell you what I've been up to. She said filming season one of Earl meets Earl. was insane. Earl meets Earl? What I say? Earl meets World. But what did I say? Maybe she's

meeting a long-gloss sister. Um, so we are going to see lots about her blended family. The whole family is in the trailer, you know, balancing her career. They talk about Braxton. She accuses her family of being team Braxton. I mean, he's a good guy. Like, I could see them actually liking him. And they all got really close to him. I feel like annoyed that like I think a lot of hype and anticipation for her show is almost like boiled down to this Alex Cooper thing. Like my first thought was they didn't mention Alex Cooper in the trailer. I'm sure she doesn't want to. At the end of the trailer she was like, oh is there something I'm forgetting or like something like that like alluding to like a big thing. So I feel like that's that. Now we know she is referenced like it is going to be in the

show. Right. She's not she didn't give us anything. We got a pretty. I doubt she wants to make like the big trailer about Alex but right. It's like annoying that it's. to sort of boil down to this. She sort of put a lot of pressure on it. She has, but I feel like she feels confident in her side. In her side and also like in her show. Yeah, I agree. I mean, it looks so good. Her family is inherently so interesting. And I'm someone who like knew a decent amount about like the background and the blended family. But I didn't realize even more like, like, the mom, that guy Todd is her mom's like boyfriend or husband. He's so hot. And he's on the show too. And he's like a star. Yeah. I'm not really like watching for Todd. I kind of am.

That's what I'm saying. Like, because to me, like, the hero of this whole family and the glue is the mom. Like, her willingness to, like, put the kids first. Like, she's such a queen. She'll be rewarded in the afterlife for her time here on Earth. But it's nice to know, like, she was a hot man too. Like, I didn't know that. Yeah.

You know? Yeah. So it's easy to move on and when, like, that's what your man looks like. It'll be interesting because I do feel like as reality TV consumers, all of us. Like, we have a high bar for, like, family shows, you know? We do Netflix doesn't have a lot of family shows. And, like, a lot of family shows get started and they don't reach success. Even families who like have the makings.

A lot of families like we should have a reality show. Like a lot of them should. Like they have interesting people with interesting boyfriends and interesting lives and careers. But a lot of times, I don't know why. It's not a perfect formula. It's actually very hard to recreate. The Kardashians like did set an incredibly high standard. So this group like they have what it takes.

They have all the makings of it all. They're gorgeous. They've got drama. They've got history. So it should be good. Yeah. Like period. It should be good period.

Although Netflix reality is like not. I don't know why. Like they don't slay. They do like those competition shows that people like, but they don't do like a lot of docu series. A lot of these like staged like Shaws of Sunset, you know? Yeah. But not that they can't.

No, not that they can't. So I think they make everything like really premium. I'm not worried. The premiere date is September 4th. I think that's what I said. Not too far, you know. That's so close. Just like a couple more weeks into Swarly Summer.

And then we'll have like all of Labor Day weekend to watch and then we can recap. Yeah. I wonder how it's being released. Mm-hmm. Like, maybe like three at a time. I feel like it will be episodic. That's so annoying. Yeah, and it won't be Cooper in the first.

That's so. Well, they know that they have this thing. I know. That, like, everyone's really tuning in to find out. Even though I do feel it's been diffused. Like, I don't, I was the lead reporter on it. And, like, I kind of don't care anymore. But I would like to hear what you has to say.

Yeah. So, like, everyone will watch. Yes. Which is good. Because sometimes you make a really good show. But, like, if people don't watch, then no one will ever know. So this way, if it's good. Everyone has to watch.

Yeah. that's good yeah we'll see i think it'll be great and the trailer has been very well received yeah yeah exciting yeah our next story some more viral news bethany frankl is launching supermodel cafe inspired by her viral social media recipes so bethany like she just like makes like some influencer launching a brand like would not make the news people are upset both positive and negative she's so polarizing like i saw this everywhere. And it's like not that crazy. She's not even launching a brand. She's opening a pop-up in the Hamptons. It's a supermodel cafe, as it's called, filled with like her viral recipes. You know,

she's always making like bits and box. She calls it a supermodel snack. Like, here's how she's, like everything is the OG cottage cheese and rice cakes and everything with the vaguely. She is OG like, pre-O-Zempic, diet girling, you know, using lettuce as bread and cream cheese as salad dressing. Like, so yeah, she, if anyone can do it, it's her. Yes, it's also powered by Goldbergs. Yes, which is a local chain of bagel places here in the Hamptons. So it's not like she had to like get a kitchen and everything. Like she's giving them her recipes. They're getting it up and running. It's really brilliant. She's obviously like a fixture in the Hamptons. And also in the natural food space. And the natural food space. In the food space, like even like the chicken salad and in the

Hampton's food space. She makes so many things like so viral. So like this is so, duh. Yeah, I don't think it's like a huge money maker for her like a pop up. No, but it's like a great thing for her brand. And then, like, say it does well, which I expect that it will. She can pop up elsewhere. This is something she could do for, like, a long time in terms of, like, let's pop up in L.A. Let's pop up in Miami. Yeah, I do feel, like, confused. What is her status with the Skinny Girl brand?

Like, because she's, like, sold the liquor portion. This could be Skinny Girl Cafe. Right. She sold the liquor portion. So she has nothing to do with that anymore. But, like, we eat their popcorn. It's so good. I believe the food, the salad dressing.

She's, like, promoting it a lot. She is still somewhat involved. And I know she has. a lot of, I think, like, non-competes, which is why she hasn't done anything in the food space since then. So I'm curious how this... No, and also, if she was very much involved in Skinny Girl, then this would be Skinny Girl Cafe, and these would be Skinny Girl snacks.

What is the remainder of her relationship with Skinny Girl? No, no, I don't know. But, like, if you think about it, when she was like, I'm going to brand my... Of course. This segment of my podcast. She started a new thing. She started a new name for talking about diet food. Yeah, Supermodel snack.

Which is great. Skinny Girl is also a great name, but she consciously did. not call them skinny girl snacks no i know well i don't think she can or she wants to create equity in a new brand yeah yeah which is so bethany creating equity yeah which is smart yeah she already sold her equity like the equity for her and skinny girl is out the door so you don't need to build it up really continue yeah should we go of course where is it quag okay let's go we'll go and like can we cut the line yeah is her like an influencer special line There's a special line for influencers.

It's there an influencer special. There's going to be a long line. People live. I saw there was an article in the cut about this, like about how everything in New York is a line. And it's just like, it's not even for something crazy. Like, it's just for like a pancake or a bagel. I am allergic to standing in line.

Like, you could tell me that there's a winning lottery ticket. I just have to wait in line of like 20 people. Well, I'll just have to keep working. Like, I am allergic to lines. I hate fucking standing in line. I also think there's something deeply humiliating about standing in a line. And I think, like, what it says about you is negative. Like, I just, I hate lines.

And we need to have, like, a conversation about line culture in New York. There's a line on, and it used to be, like, you would see people lining up and you'd wonder what this is for. It was always something, like, big. Now I'm like, oh, you're all idiots. I don't even care. It used to be just, like, the iPhone. That's what people would line up for.

Or the cronut. Right. It was like a once-in-a-lifetime big thing. Now it's every day, like, some viral TikTok. I guess it's because of, like, the viralness. Yes. It's like there's a surge in demand on the same day because it went viral. And that's the internet.

It's not like really, it's born of the internet. Yeah. It's one of my least favorite things about living in New York, honestly. The lines. I can't take it. I cannot take it. And I won't participate in line culture either. Okay, so we'll cut the line.

Or I'll go stand for you and I'll let you know when to get out of the cut. I mean, where the influencer line is. Or if there's like friends and family and influence are tasting. Yeah. What about like podcast Bethany has been online? Yeah. You have one of those? Of course we're going.

I'm so excited. I think road trip. Like, whenever she, even though I just want to say almost all the shit she eats is inedible to me. Like I'm, you guys know how are you? For you. Like her wraps of like turkey and chicken salad. Like I could throw up. I always see her snacks. I'm like, oh, that looks really good. I want to try that. I don't eat like turkey or chicken. But I want to try some like, you know, cottage cheese on a rice cake. Ben should come too. He would love it. Absolutely. We're vlogging. And Olivia.

Oh, we should wait for a libidator. She actually, she is the same, like, category of eater as Bethany. Yeah, like put it on a rice cake. Make sure it has Greek yogurt and cottage cheese and sesame seeds. And make sure it tastes disgusting. And we'll give you diarrhea. We'll all go together. That's actually a really fun afternoon.

Yeah. Love that. No, I think it's really smart. I'm excited for her. Yeah, I wonder if it's successful if she has plans, like, go into, like, a line for, like, the grocery store. Because she's such, I think she's selling, like, healthy bagels, which is a pretty good category like not there there are a couple i used to eat them when i was like really nutty the um

better bagel i think was called yeah like they're actually pretty good um so that would be good and then like spreads they look like pre-made they could sell my grocery stores yeah which is crazy because that skinny girl then she just did it again then she did it again yeah well it is what she's passionate about like being skinny it's a good passion yeah of course worthwhile being skinny and also like eating as much as you can while being skinny yes some people like can be skinny without eating. Without thinking about it. Yeah, like eating is just a means to live. It's not something. And then some people like just love

food. And Bethany's one of those people who like loves food but also loves being skinny and like she needs to hold space for both. Yeah. So that's exciting. It is. Our next story, Taylor no longer picks Clark. Oh my God. This is actually like to me the way people were shocked about not people like the delusionals about Nicolandria.

Like this is that. That's surprising to me. Taylor and Clark from Love Island, USA. last season have made the quote difficult decision to part ways amid cheating rumors that's very much unfounded but like he was spotted with like another girl a couple weeks ago but they could have been broken up a couple weeks ago plus she went on her girl's trip that's giving break it is i think that also um a storyline on beyond the villa is that they were having issues just because taylor was like true to himself he is a farm country where he does not want to change his lifestyle he wants to continue to be a farmer and a cowboy and clark is like you know gotten a taste for that she wants

go to L.A. and do brand deals. So they just have like different visions for the future. And that will, that's actually a very good reason to break up. It is. But that makes me sad. I know, she's choosing L.A. over Taylor. But you know what? I also feel like there's much more to it. And if there was infidelity or a lack of trust, then you've got to go. The timing is curious because for those who don't know, like Taylor and Clark, this random couple from Love Island last season, are actually inextricably linked to O'Landria. O'Landria and Taylor were together the whole season, even though like we knew he didn't like her. He found someone at Casa he really liked. He became like the total villain for leaving

Orlando. But him and this girl Clark were like so in love. And they've been together ever since in a real way. Not in a nickel andry away. If you watch this season it's Casey and T.T. Exactly. And then Anaya and Carl would be the Nickelandria. And so I'm actually shocked that they broke up. But the timing is very weird. Because of Nicolandria. The same week. Or that just speaks to like when Nicolandria ran the numbers of when a couple from Love Island should break up. The stats. They learn that. It is about a year later. Also, Tiller and Clark might have already been broken up

and people close to them might have already known that before Nicolandria decided to sever business ties. Before Nicolandria decided to sunset. I just put to say, I'm, like, upset by this. I actually believed in their love. Of course, and you can believe in their love couples. Break up. They're very young. No, and breaking up doesn't mean it was a fake relationship

for Nicolandra Incorporated. Yeah. No, but these two were real. Breaking up of Nicarandria doesn't mean that it was a fake relationship. It just was a fake relationship. Oh my God. I know you don't know because you're not chronically online, but like I wish I could tell you like how bent out of shape people are about.

No, it started to trickle down. My comment section is like, are you guys going to speak out? Like are you going to talk about like the backlash? Like, are you going to apologize? I've seen a couple comments on my Instagram from clearly like Nicolandria's who trickled in. Who have migrated over to Instagram and like sought me out. Yeah.

And they're being very unkind. They're being very unkind. I know. And like their biggest accusation, they're calling us racist, which like, it's just not, like, it's not that. And it's actually, it's actually offensive to actual racism to say that. It's true. It is. Like, it's absurd.

Also, it's frustrating because they think that we're hating on Elandro when, like, you don't know. You haven't been here. And I hate to be like, you know, context. But like, you haven't, like, you have to listen to everything that we have said about her, including our, like, live recaps last season. Because we don't hate Elandria, and we never did. No, we always wanted better for her than Taylor, then Nick.

What are you guys talking about? Like, yeah. And she literally admitted herself on the show that, like, there isn't a connection between her and Nick. And they, as of, you know, two seconds before their breakup, there weren't even technically boyfriend and girlfriend. Like, like, genuinely, and I'm not trying to, like, make you guys more angry to our, like, Nicholandri haters,

but how genuinely not smart are you? Like, you're dumb. Well, if you fell for Nicolandria, then. That's what I'm saying. But, like, now you're coming for us. When, like, you know, you got got hoodwinked, and you should just like kind of sunset that. But what's crazy is both those people and us are coming from a place of love for Allandria.

We're showing it in different ways. And like I think we love her more because we want better for her. And we've always wanted better for her. The denial phase. We've moved on to like whatever the 11, 12 steps are. They're still in denial. Next comes anger. No, but like if you really loved Alandria, like you wouldn't want Nicolandria for her.

You wouldn't want Nickalandria for her. And like I think we love her more actually than you. I would say you don't like that. her. We absolutely love Olandria more than our detractors do. Now put that in a clip and post it. Like it's tough love. I would give tough love to like a person that I'm close to and that I love. I wouldn't be like, oh yeah, your terrible boyfriend is great. Do you like that? Because you've been commenting that I keep saying, put that in your pipe and

smoke it. What about put that in your clip and post it? For sure, but like we do that. Like you're talking to us. I guess I've technically talked to the social media team. Like put that in your clip and post it. If we want to go back there. If we want to go back there. Let's see what else. It's a big if. What other conversations emerged today. Oh, our next story is some exciting news.

It's our fourth story, but we're going to do six stories today. I just like don't want to get stopped in the middle of our role. Major podcasting news. Forbes released the highest paid podcasters of 2026. And I will say, I felt that the list was only interesting because it's the same group of people always. But Giggly Squad, like cracking the top 20, I feel like that's the big change. they're sort of like coming up from behind and slaying. Yeah.

So here's the top 20. Like most of these seem pretty obvious. It's crazy that some of these people I've never heard of their show. Also what's crazy is that like I feel like we talk out of here all the time. Like we're always talking about like the biggest female podcaster. I'm always talking about who. And just as for Ashley Flowers, because nobody ever says it's her. But like it's her by a mile.

Ashley Flowers moves in silence. She does. She's actually smart. Yeah. She's not going to get robbed. Well, after this list. Yeah. Joe Rogan is number one, $82 million.

And this is earned this year. So even if he had a hundred, like, well, at this point it would be a $200 million deal for three years or whatever, like $82 million this year. John Coogan and Jordy Hayes host a podcast called TPBN. It's a finance podcast, I guess. I've never heard of it. What does TPBN stand for? I don't know. Oh, my, that's crazy.

They're number two at $70 million. TPBN? Mm-hmm. Oh, my God. Like, what are the odds that I haven't heard of something? Like, I know. I think that's crazy. Another two moving in silence.

Totally. Did you find it? Technology business programming network. That sounds fake. That sounds fake. Yeah. Okay. Number three.

Yeah. Stephen Bartlett, Diary of a CEO. Classic. At 45 million. Number four, Ashley Flowers, crime junkie, 42 million. First woman. Number five, the smart list guys, 37 million. You have to divide that by three then.

Like, per, like, their show. earned $37 million this year, they each took home a third of that. I'm so glad we never invited Olivia Margar to start the show with us. Like, three is so many people. It is. I already have a hard time like with you, you know? I know. I'm like, every day. I often think about it. What if I just did the show by myself? Like, how could I change my lifestyle? Yeah, every night in the same house, sleeping with one eye open. And then you'd have to do stories and ads. It's, oh my God, so true. We both earn our key. Number six, Mel Robbins, 35 million. What? People are not going to like what I'm upset.

But that's the grift of the motherfucking century. Like she literally came out of nowhere. She does like fake self-help. And like actually, I mean, it's not a grift because the thing with podcast is like, you earn what you generate. So it's like that many people are listening to your show. You can't get these numbers without real listeners. So like, yeah, I guess people are listening to Mel Robbins.

Yeah. Maybe she's got one of the six women on the list. Classic club. Maybe she's like got something going over there. Like people just like, you know, think all she is is like the let them theory or whatever. But like maybe she's giving good advice over there because you really don't stay at the top. You can like grift your way to a certain degree with a launch, with a book, with some good guests and then maybe like a network thinks is buying all that smoke and mirrors

and like pays you a lot of money. But like this is years long now. I think she's the real deal. Like got the cream. You're right. Number seven, the Kelsey Brothers, $35 million. Not surprising. Another two that have to split. Only two. And I think that if they were doing it solo like it wouldn't be that big, you know. I think that's true of a lot of duos. You think it's true of us? Absolutely. I think so. I think so, too. It's Ian and Yang.

One thousand percent. Number eight, Alex Cooper, 32 million. Famously does not have to split. No. She sort of solved that problem a few years ago. Number nine, and we know Alex Cooper has a huge deal.

Yeah, she's always on these lists. She's always on these lists. She had the like $150 million series deal. So this is like her year, her annual staff. Split. Her paycheck. Number nine, they're splitting at four ways. Pod Save America, $28 million.

Four. What's 20 divided by four? Seven? Yes. Right? Yes. Yeah. Poor.

No. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. That's great. Congrats. I feel like there was a time and a place. And also is Pod Save America?

No. Politics. But it's not New York Times. That's the daily. No. But there was a time where they were, like, this is not one of their big years. There was a time where like people were fucking upset with the show. where maybe if the list had come out, they would have been number one or two or three.

So it's impressive. They've been there for a while. Number 10, Charlemagne, a $27 million. Is that the Breakfast Club? The Breakfast Club? But it's just Charlemagne. Because he does like multiple shows. And he doesn't own the Breakfast Club.

That's like I Heart Radio. It is. But he also has his own program. So maybe it's just like him in general. But maybe I Heart Radio like pay up his contract to the tune of $27 million a year. Solo. Number 11, Dax Shepherd, Armchurch. expert, 25 million.

Of course. 12. Amy Polar, 24 million. Sly. Got in. Honestly, not her and her ex-husband being on the list. Yeah.

That's crazy. And she makes more than him because she's solo. True. 13, Bill Simmons, 22 million. Of course. 16.

14. Jay Shetty, 21 million. He recently, like, got a big deal. He's always been like a big podcaster, but he recently, like, leveled up.

Well, he got like a $100 million deal I saw. Netflix. And he's on Netflix now. Yep. And Spotify. Yeah. So he has like two. And he's like getting insane guests, too.

Yeah. up and decided like we're taking it to the next level and he did yeah and the next level was like coming through yeah was like nine figures yeah 15 solo Joe button the Joe button podcast 20 million I've never like seen Joe button's face but like I know obviously his name because every time I see it I think people are misspelling Joe Biden and you know he's huge in podcasting like a trailblazer yeah and you love to see people who have been doing you love to see the newcomers but you love to see the people who have been doing it for so long like still at the top being in like the same top 20 whether you're like number one or number 10 is beyond impressive.

Yeah. 16. Tucker Carlson, $20 million. 17. Your boyfriend. My boyfriend. Wait, hold on. I don't think they're going to.

No, Mike M. Cabley. As a podcast. Scott Galloway. 19 million. My toxic trait is I love Scott Galloway. That's so funny. I know. 18, my boyfriend.

But what do I think? Harry Jousey's back? He's on the list. Yeah. Andrew Huberman. Oh, you know, he's also been, he definitely fell off a little bit like with that scandal. I think that his sort of extreme, like, wellnessy was like a very much, like a moment in time.

But he's still on the list. That's really impressive. $18 million. He should be Kim's boyfriend. Do you see Brian Johnson, the longevity king, is like sort of backtracking his lifestyle choices? He said, I fear I've been thinking recently that I might have taken this too far. Interesting. I also saw, was he, did he get sick?

He got sick or something, yeah. So that's not good. That's really sad. 19. Oh, Dan Katz and Eric Salenberger, pardon my take. Barstool, $18 million. Oh, wow, barstool. Yeah.

That's pretty cool. Yeah. And then 20, Hannah and Paige Giggly Squad, $18 million. It's actually insane that there's only six women on the list, and they're two of them. They're 30% of, 33% of the women. Like, that's sick. That is crazy. But do you think more men listen to podcasts in general than women?

That's a good question. I don't know. I don't think so. I think that they're actually more female podcasts. You think? No. I feel like it really started as a word of like a man space, but there's women. Well, it's very impressive because like I said, it's the same 20 people usually.

And Ghibli Squad cracking is like major. Major for the, because you know what? You love to see a swirly show in the mix. You do. You do. You really do. I love lists. Exciting for the industry.

There's a lot of money floating around. Is there anyone who you feel is noticeably absent from the list? I love that question. Not to like point out. Let's go to the top charts. but it's also worth mentioning that you would have had to submit your financials, which a lot of people don't want to. In order to, like, be a contender. Although I think with some people, like Joe Rogan, I can't see him having agreed to submit any.

No, but like it's known that his deal was what it was. Right. But like I think you have to submit a tax return, I think. Or no, I don't think. So I think if like they knew that Joe Rogan got a $150 million deal, then it's $50 million this year. Right, right. It is what it is. anyone missing? I feel like it felt accurate.

Theo Vaughn. Oh, yeah. People were saying like Conan. I don't think he was like snubbed or anything. I think he probably just don't think he made it this year. I don't think he's far down. I don't think he generated more than $18 million. But Theo Vaughn is a very good call.

And then like what about the daily? How does that work? Because they're like employees. Because they're a media company. And they're employees of the New York Times. So yeah, the show isn't like. And also they base these. numbers based on deals.

Like we know that New Heights went to prime for X amount. New York Times sells their own ad. So like they don't get these types of deals because it's all done in-house. If I had to guess. Right. No, I agree with that. If I had to guess. No, I'm looking at the tops and like it does seem pretty morbid.

What about morbid? Yeah. I get them confused with crime. I know. Maybe they only like wanted to put one crime. But like money is money. Like if you made that much money. It's, it's Ameritocat.

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Storia. Juliana Ransig details her humiliating moment of relationship with X. Jerry O'Connell. Oh, wow. We're closing the circle on this. The bill and Juliana podcast dropped. And she is sharing her side of their relationship that he mentioned on Kelly Rippa. She said that she would be on her podcast unfuzzing his memory because he said

his memory was a little fuzzy. on the situation and she talks about how he broke up with her from a balcony so first she was saying that she was dating jerry o'connell he like went off to shoot a movie and he was like spotted with his co-star jerry from the spice girls like walking out of a restaurant holding hands jerry's always starting stuff don't you find she literally is the reason they broke out and i love that juliana named names you too um even though it's like it was so low stakes like it's 20 plus years ago but if you're going to tell us a story like tell us the story yeah we need to name the characters but it's not like she went like it's not like it was Jennifer Lopez and like now Julian is like putting her on notice like low stakes.

Agreed. She said she had called. She said she texted. What did she say? She called Jerry. And he wasn't picking up her calls. He was like ghosting her and she said, Jerry, I'm going to call the police. Like I'm really worried about you.

And he wrote back, do not call the police. He goes, I just got back to LA. I'm at my condominium. He goes, I'm fine. I'm fine. So I was like, oh my God, okay. I write I'm coming over. Like I haven't seen you in like five days.

what's going on. So I go over there and that's where this whole thing happened. He said that she was, she said he was standing on his balcony looking at her, saying he didn't want to see me in person. He didn't have enough courage to come down and see me face to face like a foot away and instead did it from a balcony. He broke up with me from a balcony. And I honestly thought it was because he was just like over it done. He was just like bye. It was devastating, heartbreaking, humiliating. It was traumatizing. It truly was. And I just could not believe what I was hearing. They had been together for a year and a half. Oh my God. Well, obviously Jerry was inside.

Yeah. Oh, you think? Jerry and Jerry. I'm just putting that together. Jerry and Jerry. Well, yeah. You don't let someone in, but you're talking to them through the, like, even if you want to break up with her in like a rude and short way, like you could let her up.

There was someone inside. There was someone there, obviously. The story is very inconvenient for me because it's in Congress with the Jerry that I know. It's like the Bravo loving dad. Yes, but I feel like people grow. People grow. And I don't know if he's like, I could see part of his. as having been like a recovered a whole like you know someone who like got caught up in

Hollywood for a minute yeah and then became like humbled and and lovely yeah even like that in Hollywood I think a lot of like grown men would say like they didn't act their best in certain relationships in their 20s I'm like not going to hold it against Jerry if I didn't like Jerry I would hold it against him but like I said this is just extremely inconvenient for me as like a Jerry O'Connell fan no and also like behavior from 20 plus years ago and she said like you know obviously it was for the best it's her tone like is she mad? No, I feel like she just like felt like this is very real for her. Yeah.

This happened. If you're going to talk about it, like don't skim the surface because this is the truth. I guess he did bring it up. Yeah. She said I do. A year and a half. I do love that Jerry is an open book even if his memory is a little fuzzy. I truly believe everything happens for a reason.

We are both happily married now. We both have great families and we are both exactly where we're meant to be. So like that can be completely true. I don't think she's coming from a place of malice. But it's like, oh no, we're bringing this up. Let's tell the whole truth. normally say like get over it Juliana like it was 20 years ago but he did bring it up

I don't think she's not like I feel like she No sometimes it's like hard to find fodder for your podcast No I feel like if someone was talking about you you have a podcast they're telling a story They're sort of contradicting what you've said historically like yeah clear the air Yeah think about like what we would do Of course I would sit down and I would just tell my truth let it rip yeah let it rip Are you ready for now our six? Thank you for closing the loop on that yes of course I had completely forgotten because I saw clips of it and then I was like oh okay yeah we go yeah um our next

story I don't know if it's a story but you see Uber this is actually like really huge news for slabs like me Uber is being sued do you know that it's actually devastating you know when you get Uber eats and like you do priority because you don't want your food dropped off before yeah you're you are paying for nothing the driver like doesn't know that you have priority sometimes Uber will tell them like other orders to pick up before coming to you and they're actually being sued for not being like for false advertising good and like stealing people's money I have never. Maybe twice in my life have I done not priority.

Of course. And those two times were like the biggest regrets of my life. So. But apparently it's like it's literally for nothing. Oh. Yeah. Well good then. Yeah, I'll keep you updated on that legal news.

Please do. Because that's so giving like fifth and final Friday story. No, no, no. And this is like sixth and final. But it was about the fact that LeBron James is like in a deal with ESPN. They're about to close on doing like a last dance style documentary. for his next season or two seasons at the 76ers. Yes.

So I heard about this, and I'm so glad you brought up LeBron because I wanted to say one other thing. Did you also see that during his tenure on the Philadelphia 76ers, he will be living in New York and commuting via helicopter every day? I saw that that is a potential, yes.

So I think that's insane, obviously for a couple of reasons. Like, I'm sorry, when you are, like, playing for a team, like you have to live there. Like, I just feel like that should be the rules. Two, with this new Piettaire tax, I don't know why LeBron would now want to purchase a place in New York City. Like, that's insane. A second home.

Well, it would be his first if he's the first. if he's living there. No, I feel like his, like, Akron is his home, you know? Like, that's his primary residence. And two, the helicopter? Yeah. Every day. Like, I feel like certain things, even though I don't believe that helicopters are unsafe.

Like, we know that with Kobe, like, it was bad weather and they flew through it and they shouldn't have. But I just feel that now everyone thinks about helicopters just a little bit differently because of that situation. And so for you to, like, literally be doing what Kobe was doing and now you're going to be, like, doing it every single day. Like the over reliance. Yeah. really crazy like all that just to not live in Philly. Yeah.

Philly's a fine place. There's plenty of, and like there's different vibes. You know, like you can live in the city. You can live in the subway rooms. You can get a farm like 30 minutes away. You can go farm chamin. Yeah. Now back to the documentary thing, don't you feel like, and yes, like the last dance, like it

needed to be recorded. But don't you feel like it's like a little bit of a jinx? Oh. Like what if you have a flop season, like, you know, Tom Brady's last or whatever. I think Aaron Rogers when he did his. Right. What if you tore your Achilles heel? Yeah.

I guess it doesn't have to like come out, you know? No, but now it's like being reported. Yeah. I also feel like if I'm a Philly fan, I'm like, you're literally coming here to use us. Talk about how big of losers we are and how you're going to save us. You're going to live here? No, you won't live here. It's like someone's like, I don't know, it's kind of like when Elle and Elle like does

the documentary of the homecoming and she's just like, look at these sad people. I'm going to bring them joy. And it's like, yeah, we're fine. I think though, like if he does get them a championship, like they won't really care. I agree. So if he doesn't, they'll feel used and abused. but if he does, it's like, okay, whatever, at least we got championship. Yeah.

No, this whole thing is like a little weird. And, like, to come into, like, a new locker room with, like, camera crew? No. But, like, you are LeBron. And I think, like, literally almost every NBA player, like, grew, who's actively playing, like, grew up and obsessed and, like, and, share, I'll be in your recommendation. It's like, sure, you want to be naked? Like, sure, we can take a shower.

It's true. It's true. I actually don't think that they care. They're actually a part of history. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I think it's a jinx because, like,

I don't know, LeBron just did go to the Lakers and he stunk it up there. So it's not like guarantee that if you get... He didn't sing it up. He won the championship for them in 2020, yes. That was six years ago. Per our fact checkers. No, he did, but he went, he got them a championship in his time there. You don't win every year, even when you're the goat.

Fine, fine, that actually is fair. I just think it's like not guaranteed that like... I feel like for Tom Brady, like, it actually was guaranteed. Like, if I'm on your team, like, we're winning. Like, it just kind of was... I feel like it's not the case for LeBron. So it's like, what's he's a 50-50 shot? I think it's as much the case for LeBron going to the 786ers as it was for Tom going to the Buccaneers.

Yes. But we have literally six years since his last championship. Like that's a long time. I guess. Six years older. Okay. I'm older. No, I'm like very much sat for this NBA season.

Yeah. Yeah. So we'll see. Don't make me say it. You're not like other girls. You drink beer. Exactly. Let's type into our final segment of the week, Queenie and Weenie.

And we kind of like fumbled the last couple of weeks. We forgot to do it. So Queenie and Weenie is our final segment of the week where every Friday, Jackie and I just like to take a look back at the week at a glance and deliver two awards. Queenie of the Week and Weenie of the week, it's pretty self-explanatory. If you did something Queenie like, you will be Queenie of the Week. And if you were acting like a major weenie, you will be Ween of the Week. Don't get too upset. It's a seven-day title and, you know, you can find yourself Queenie one week, we need to get too comfortable, sweetheart.

Yeah. Now, what do we want to start with? Queenie. Queenie. I'm going to make my Queenie of the week. I think it's pretty obvious. And I think she's like Queenie probably like two and a half weeks running given like the wedding and then the clapbacks. And that will be Paige Paul Ney Lorenz. Yeah.

Page Paul. Oh, Ney Lorenz. Absolutely. She was a contender for me as well. Like not every time she speaks. PPN. It's hard. It's actually very rare that somebody like speaks a lot and I'm always agreeing with them.

Because like even if I like you, I'll like think you're a little dumb, you know. She has just been like slaying. Every time she speaks even more. I agree with everything she's saying. Mm-hmm. That's my queen. Yeah, and I think if we had done Queenie, like, last week when she got up to her wedding picks and, like, she's just having, like, a Queenie-like run. It's undeniable.

I agree. She's on a Queenie, like, run. And it's a Queenie, like, summer for her. Queenie of the week? Paige Lawrence. Yeah, unanimously. Unanimously. I agree.

And then Weenie, of course, there were so many options, but I'm going to give it. To a Landry? Yeah. She's brave. I know. Because the thing is that I was just saying, like, how much I've written for, and it's true. But when I thought about the dissolution of Nicolandria Incorporated, I really, I really, I really, really didn't ever see it going this way where it was like loki a bad reflection on olandria and that

i feel is what happened the duenow comments did not help um and i just feel that she hasn't been putting her best foot forward this week yeah and i feel like o'landria maybe in the past has actually even been queenie so like she will be queenie again like a phoenix rising from the ashes but like the behavior was a little we needy like this week and for me would be the nicklandry like stands who are now like coming from me and like just like mine and like i'm like our looks and like in our looks and it's like are we that bad looking like no and also like we're off limits like we just had babies we're off limits like when people like so want to say something about my looks I'm like my looks are irrelevant um no actually my looks are insane positive

given the fact that I just literally just had a baby no like but truly like what do you mean my looks that's not even a thing right now I don't have looks but also like let's say things looks are a thing right now like it is sort of a fact of life like you and I are tired of timeless beauties. It's true. We would be beautiful in any generation. We don't have plastic surgery face. Like we have beautiful smiles.

We have real faces. Like we are factually timeless great beauties. And I know what's like off. Yeah, of course. I'm like, yeah, of course, feel free to call me fat. Like it's a temporary phase. Like I'm fine with that.

But you cannot deny like the true beauty. Like the essence of us is beautiful. I agree. Also like they're only seeing clips from like this. studio and I just feel like the lighting like it's not doing a hundred percent like our right yeah so like they just don't know all the truth like they don't know that I've just had my third child in right four years like because you don't know that makes you a weaning that be good you know that animal so thank you so much for an amazing week and thank you so much listening to the toast and morning

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