The Toast - Feeling Jerseylicious With Liz Woods Thursday October 30th 2025

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Jackson, Claude and a different show the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off, swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast. Happy Thursday. Now, I'm feeling excited about my guest co-host today. Obviously, she filled in for me when I was on leave, and she's a mama herself.

But I have real business to get down to with her. It's Lizzie P. Woods, a.k. Liz P. Woods, a.k. Liz Hyatt, let's be real. Yeah. First and lasty, always. No, Liz. I have to ask you a question. Oh. Do you feel awkward? I mean, you like run your mouth after you go on this podcast, like to your sister about how much you hate doing co-hosts.

Oh, I'm cracking up. I'm not apprehensive about the toasters. Like, I think the toaster community likes me, but you kind of like are scary. Oh, no, that's not what I was bringing up. We're going to have so much fun. Oh, okay. But we need to address the elephant in the room. What is it?

Lizard. I asked you before Jackie. I asked you during, what was it, Harry or Charlie's maternity leave? you were like such a micro influencer. I said, Lizard, would you like to come co-host the toast with me? She said politely decline. Yeah. You wanted to support small creators.

And then during my maternity leave, Jackie was like, I'm going to ask Liz. I'm like, well, good luck. She's not, she doesn't want to do podcasts. Looks like I know, you're on the toast filling in for me. Explain yourself. Well, not only that, but I actually reached out to Jackie, like, preemptively when you were present. You put yourself out there. Yeah. I wasn't ready.

Okay. Yeah. And I'm ready. More so it wasn't like you want to hang out with Jackie and not me. Well, I also got the invite to like Jackie's house, just spent time with your family. and eat her cooking. Today I made you commute. Yeah, commute. Yeah, which was funny. Well, I commuted to Florida and like I actually, I live in New Jersey, but it was the whole experience was parjee. Yeah. Okay. So that's just, that's all you're going to say. Yeah. No comment. Okay. Welcome to the

church. Thanks for having me. Oh, so good to have a fellow pop culture lover, the dash queen herself, Lizard P. Now, you probably are familiar with Lizard P after her stint on the toast, but in case anybody needs like a brief reminder. Yeah. Well, Jackie put it very eloquently when I was on with her. to trigger you. But she said, I'm often like the story version of the toast. Like I'm kind of the one who like puts forth the news and then you guys offer your more, your commentary the following day. Yes.

And it's like, it's a little confusing because you Jackie and I have a group chat that we talk in like probably 10 times a day. Yeah. And so we like, we form our thoughts together. We all generally like think the same things about pop culture. We'll say them on the toast. You'll say them on your story and everyone will be like, you're copying Liz. And people are like to Liz.

You're copying the toast. But we actually just have like the same. same thoughts. We do. Which is so fun. Yeah. I think it's nice to like have a group of people that you mostly agree with on, especially pop culture and especially when like it often seems like the rest of the internet is not on our side.

But don't you also feel like sometimes it's me and you against Jackie? Yes. Do you think it's ever me and Jackie against you? Literally never. No, it's never. Because Jackie doesn't get us. Like as much as we're all the same, Jackie draws a line at TikTok. And Jackie's actually not chronically online.

But you and I definitely are. Yeah. And so there's like a lot of things like she just doesn't get. Which is why I'm excited for you to be here today. I'm so excited to be here and to like offer my my Claude Lisbon. Yes, yes. Do you feel like you're putting on different personas when you host with Jackie and when you host with May? Yes.

I mean, Jackie and I think even though you just said that it's often you and me against Jackie, I think Jackie and I are more similar personality-wise. Yes. So I actually feel like I can mostly just be myself and that it'll be, I mean, I'm a reasonable facsimile for Jackie. I'm not Jackie. Okay, facsimile. But I think like I offer a sort of similar energy that hopefully people will appreciate.

But did you feel like when you were hosting with Jackie, not to keep comparing, and I will stop at some point, I promise. Did you feel like when you were hosting with Jackie, like you had to pull back a little bit of your chronic onlineness? Like a lot of stuff she might not understand. No, I did feel like I offered the, in that sense, I offered the perspective that you often do and gave context. That's why you were a perfect fill-in for me.

Yeah, well, thank you. What app do you think you spent the most time on? Because everybody knows you for your Instagram stories. I have to say you are, without fail, the first story that pops up on my Instagram feed, and I would prefer it that way. That's how I get all my news. People are like, well, people get their news from the toast,

and I get my news from you. I love following you on Instagram. I so appreciate the hard work that you put into your stories. They make me laugh. I really find out a lot of breaking news from your stories. Do you spend the most time on Instagram, but you also love TikTok? I do love TikTok. I spend the most time on Instagram.

I have like all of my apps set so that I get notifications from like TMZ, daily mail, so that I'm the one who's like breaking the news. But in terms of the app I spend the most time on, it's Instagram. I used to get all my news from the Daily Mail Snapchat story. Do you remember those days? Yes, of course. The Discover page. Yes.

And I feel like you have really replaced that for me. You cover human interest, you cover celebrity news. And so while I'm not getting as many pictures of Ariel Winter and Demi, remember that girl? Yeah. What was her name? The darling of Daily Mail. Yeah, she dated TIGA for like a minute. And then she became like literary Daily Mail fodder. I do get all my news from you.

And for that, I just want to say thank you for your service because I know you work really hard on your stories. It's my pleasure. And it's true. I do work really hard. Like I often say I'm very lucky that like I've grown this community of people. But it requires a lot of work too. So yeah, got to give myself credit. You're also a mama.

Yes. How many months is Lil? 10 months. So she's five months older than Ruby. To the day. And Ruby has my birthday. I didn't know that. Yeah. I didn't like want to bring that up when he was born because that's like so annoying. It is.

Yeah. Like it's, I'm like I'm 29 and you don't need to talk about my birthday. And you bring up your age here. It's just a not necessary. I want to tell you that. Like as a 31 year old woman, like you better stop. Of course. By the way, I have to say something and I knew you're going to take it the wrong way.

But I was thinking about it on the way here. Like I always thought of you as older than you are, but not because of your parents or like that you're. Okay. I actually get that a lot. I remember when I became a breather. I was like, wait, Claudia's only two years older than me. Like, I thought you were 30. Not because of how you looked.

No, no, by the way, I actually get that a lot. They do say I'm wise beyond my years. I also tend to hang out with people who are older than me. I think that was just from having two older sisters. I was like always hanging out with them and their friends. And then Taylor's Trekkers is like a lot older than me. I'd love to throw that in there. Brian, like all my friends are older than me.

Shannon is like my age. But most of my friends, I like to hang out with people who are older than me because, yes, I do feel quite mature. You are mature. Unless we're talking about like poop and farts, then I'm not. Okay, sure. Who is? Who is? So you're a mama, Lil is 10 months.

And yes, you've had five months to let me know that Ruby's birthday is the same day as yours, and you have not mentioned that, but thank you for bringing that up. Well, I deserve credit for not bringing that up until now. That is so mature of you. I could never. Yeah. I could literally never. And do you find, like, when you're talking to other mamas and they're talking about

things their kids do, it's really hard not to, like, bring up your own kid because you want to be excited for them and like about their, and like, that's amazing that Lilis 10 months. But did you know that Ruby's five? It's really hard not to bring up your own baby because it's like annoying. Yeah. But you also, it's like a point of, it's a shared, it's hard. You want to talk about your kid and like relate to the other moms.

And like in doing so, you inevitably talk about your own. But then you're talking about yourself and your baby. And I'm very conscious of like trying not to always make everything about myself. Yeah. But I'm not making it about myself. I'm making it about Roo. Right. So yeah, Roos's five months.

Lil's 10. Like not a big deal. No. And it's funny because I was just visiting my cousins and their baby is almost three months old. and I was like, this difference between these two babies is crazy. And meanwhile, like, me and my cousins are two and three years apart and we're besties. Right, right, right. So it's just funny how those, like, that sinks down and then it becomes.

And then your cousins and their kids will be second cousins? Yes. Our children are second cousins with each other. And, like, do you fuck with your second cousins? I don't know. I don't even know who my second cousins are. So does that worry you? Like, it worries me a little only because my cousins live on Long Island, which is so far.

Like, it's so far. Like it's so far, people don't talk enough about it because I like love spending time with them. But in general, it's like awkward because I kind of want to be like, am I your auntie? Like it's weird that I'm Liz. Like I'm not Liz to you. Right. But I hopefully like they stay cousins for like close cousins for ever. You're very Jersey proud.

Am I? Yeah, I feel like you're always just talking about how amazing it is to live in New Jersey. I feel like I'm Jersey. I'm Jersey. But are you, would you say you're Jersey delicious. I wouldn't. I actually am not from New Jersey. I'm from Philly.

Yeah. But we wanted to be somewhere that was like in close proximity to New York and Philly. And your husband's from where? Philly. Oh, okay. Yeah, we're both from Philly. We met in high school. I also don't talk about that enough.

That you met your husband in high school. It's such a slide. Yes. But yeah, I'm not really Jersey. I have a lot of good things to say about New Jersey, but like a lot of the time I have bad things to say. We don't have any bags in grocery stores. I don't think does New York also not.

New York does, but it's only paper. Which, you might as well, give me no bag. I disagree. I think paper is so much better than nothing. No. You've never been to the store. and schlepping your stuff out like this. If I lived in a state where I knew I wasn't getting bags,

I would be that type of person who B-Y-O-Bed. Like, I would bring my own bags. But in New York, like, I know I'm going to get a bag. It's just going to be a piece of shit that breaks on the way home. It's almost worse. Like, they're setting up to fail. Paper bags don't even have handles. Oh, they give you the ones without handles.

Yeah, handles are a thing of the past. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's rough. Like, just bring back the bags. Bring back bags. Yeah. And then you're forced to buy the cloth bags, at least where I live. And, like, that's a bigger waste to me.

I don't actually know like the environmental impact. You lose them and like honestly a lot of the time I throw them away. Yeah. And that's better than like if they gave you the plastic bags, I would use those for trash in my bathroom. That's where I start to understand like people who hate celebrities and billionaires. Because like I'm over here with my soaking wet Trader Joe's bag and like you're taking a private chat. Like that I understand. That's when I feel like, you know, channeling my inner Billy Eilish.

Yes. But then I remember I'm not a phibis and a pun. I'm like miserable wench and I'm nothing like Billy Elish. And it's a little hypocrite by the way. Billy Elish coming for everyone last night. Can you posted this on your story. What event was she at? It was the Wall Street Journal Innovator Awards.

And she won one. Yes, which is just like ironic. And I think people thought it was a slake. She was like, oh, she's in the room. And she's like telling them all like that being a billionaire is bad. But then she was posing with Haley Bieber who actually isn't a billionaire. But it's like, she's almost a billionaire. She has hundreds of millions of dollars.

Like it just. And her point then I saw the full quote was that she was saying like people need to donate their wealth. Which like, okay. Like that's more fair to me. But it's always seems like she's coming after Taylor. And by the way, like you can't say that about Taylor because Taylor does donate her wealth. Yeah. Okay, I just want to say something about donating your wealth.

Obviously, like, it's amazing. Yeah, but, but I want to talk about McKenzie Bezos. She famously donated, like, what, she got 36 billion from Jeff and she donated, like, 35 and a half. And that's amazing. And I don't feel like I saw any, like, marked difference. The world is, like, still impoverished. They're still, like, so you're telling me $35 billion couldn't fix it? What's the point in everybody else donating?

Honestly, I'm asking you in a really earnest, this is an earnest plea. what is it going to take, if not 35 bill? Yeah, I would need to see some statistics about where the money went and what it actually did. Right. Like did she donate it poorly or is it just not enough money? Or are the charitable organizations run poorly? Right, right. Well, that I feel is definitely a factor. Yeah. I mean, they become, when they become big and they get a lot of donations, they become like big companies and a lot of big companies are bureaucratic and run poorly. Yeah. And if I ever did become a billionaire, which is obviously a goal of mine, and I'm not going to be one of these self-hating billionaires.

No. It's like McKenzie Beas. I was like, I will be proud. billionaire. I will not be donating it. Asterisk. Like, no organizations are getting my money. Oh. But, like, if I see you on the street, like, and, like, you need money, like, come over. I'll give it to you. I think you run into a little bit of a problem there, though, because and they actually, they talk about this a little on the good guys, which, like, oh, my God, I didn't realize. Oh, it's worth mentioning Liz is a moron. Yes, I'm a moron. She listens to the good guys. And everything I know about the good guys, I know from you. I know. Because you're like, Ben said the funniest thing, and I'm

like, he did. I know. And I've had to scale back because I think one time I said, like, he said something a little controversial. And I don't want to know. You gave me a hit. I was like, oh my God, my God, you're so right. Like, if anybody ever said anything that I was saying that was like bad or whatever, like, I don't want to know. I used to listen to every episode of the good guys. I'm like, you should edit this out. And then I let them, you know, frolic and they have, you have something you have to learn the hard way.

Right. But then Liz texting me being like, they're kind of saying crazy things on the good guys. I was like, wait, what? It was like, I thought it was cool. But I think Ben said at one point that he wanted to like donate his money to a person. Like he wanted to have real life impact. Right. Exactly what you're saying.

And then I'm copying my idea. I definitely told him that. Right. And then he realized, wait, like, I don't know. Like, you could just be messaging me like, I need $100. Of course, of course. You're going to have to come with like proof of, you know, late payments and some bills. But I'm not going to make it hard because then you get into the paperwork, pushing paper. No. And you know what? If the worst thing I do is give somebody $100 who doesn't need it and I'm a billionaire, like, I'll survive. Yes, you will. So I don't know how we got here. Oh, Billy Elish Fibisina. I was that to say, when the day comes that I become a billionaire and you need money, you're just like a regular person. Even if you don't need like, even if you're not like out on the streets, but like, you know, a couple thousand dollars might help. Sure. Careful what you wish for.

No, a thousand percent. This is how people like win the lottery and then everybody in their life, like they, their relationships are ruined because people come to them for money. You know, we talk all the time on the toast about like if I won the lottery, what would I do? If you win the lottery, Lesby Woods, what would you do? Like buy a house. Definitely by like multiple houses. Probably buy like my family members houses. And I mean, it's the standard stuff. Houses, vacations. I would put it away in like a high yield. Of course, of course. What is it? Like high yield savings.

Like Chris and I always talk about like... What makes like $10 million a year for you. Exactly. How much is enough where you can like draw a salary every year but still be comfortable. It's so funny how everybody has these conversations. They're the best. Like every time the lottery is going to be a billion dollars. It's like it's so much fun.

Do you buy like lottery tickets when it becomes like never? Like literally never? I mean, I always talk about it. How do you expect to win if you never buy? Well, people where we live never win the lottery. It never happens in the tri-state area. No. California, Texas.

Right. Like Missouri, places like that. But I thought that that guy who won the lottery was so sweet. Like he just wanted to have that recent guy. He said he like wanted to basically just like level up his own life, spend time with his wife and chill. And like let his wife stop working. I hate to say this though. Like I do think it's a little bit of a curse. I do think it's a curse. Of course. Of course. A certain amount. Yeah. And that your life like changes invariably. People that you love like start different. Yeah. Coming to you for money. And then you want to be the generous person that pays for everybody's flights, pays for the hotel. pays for everything. Tuition. But at what point does that stop? And to be clear, there is a lottery curse that would skip me. Oh, right. It doesn't apply. Do you know the episode of Curb when Larry offers to pay his cousin's kids or somebody's tuition? And then the mom's like, well, I actually want to go to cosmetology school. Right, right, right, right. So like then everybody

comes to you and starts asking you for money for everything. I saw the funniest TikTok. And I feel like you saw too, because every time you share a TikTok or a tweet that you think is funny, it was on my timeline as well. We have very shared algorithms. But it was, was like this girl who was like very glamorous. Like she had like lots of makeup and hair on and she was like when I find out that cosmetology school is technically considered a trade school. And there's like blue collar boys by Luke Combe playing in the background. It's so funny.

Like I loved that. But that's like, I should have sent it to you. That's absolutely true. I don't even send you stuff because I'm like she's seen it. Yeah. And I'm the annoying person that when you send me something and I've seen it, I saw that. I know. Okay.

So what is the best way to respond to somebody you respect and love and appreciate? Like you send me a lot of tweets. And like I, if I don't respond, it's because I have seen it. And is that ruder than being like, I've seen it? Yes. Like, you should say, I saw that. I'm obsessed. Oh, okay.

That's like a lot of work, but I'll work on it. Okay. You watched Love's Blind reunion last night? I sure did. So I'll do that as our final story so we can do a proper recap on the sparkle of it all and that random girl who took up the entire reunion. His face I had literally never seen. Yeah, no, she was.

I did watch with like half an eye this season, but still, I feel like I would have remembered her. I swear to God, I've never seen this woman in my life. Well, Liz, I have a question to ask you. Sure. Are you ready? I'm ready for the fast-five stories that you need to know. Today's episode of The Toast is brought to you by HBO original comedy series I Love L.A. Rachel Sinat's new HBO original comedy series, I Love, L.A., will hit TV screens this Sunday on HBO Max.

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and I actually could talk about Ashley Dupree endlessly, and not to, like, be annoying. It's somebody who grew up in New York City when the Elliott Spitz are, like, it is so crazy. But she's, like, starting stuff. And I'm kind of like not on her side. Even though I like her message. Well, wait, what was her message?

That, like, the, they weren't giving Alex good enough scores. I agree. Okay. Well, she got a 39 out of 40. So she was coming for Cheryl, who gave her the nine. Everybody gave her 10. So Alexie's stepmom, Ashley Dupree, is taking a dig at Cheryl Burke's appearance after the Dancing with the Stars scoring.

So Ashley Dupree is clapping back after Cheryl Burke's score for the influencer on Tuesday night's episode of Dancing with Stars. The nine remaining couples at the start of Dancing with the Stars Halloween night channeled their best spooky energy. Okay, they're just like being really verbose. What happened was that she got a 39 out of 40. Cheryl Burke was the only one who didn't give her a 10, thus the 39 out of 40. And then Alex Earl's stepmom, Ashley Duprey, former madam of Elliot Spitzer and other high net worth individuals, was alongside Alex Earl and her younger siblings, made it clear that she was not pleased with Cheryl Burke, docking Earl one point and took to TikTok to share her targeted insult towards Cheryl Burke. So Dupre filmed her reaction as the judges held up their scoring paddles. And when

Burke held up the nine, Dupre could be heard saying exasperatedly in the video, oh, go take more ozempic. Dupre's children seemed confused by the messaging and can be heard clarifying with their mom, go take more ozempic. And then Dupre double down saying, what? She looks weird. She doesn't even look like her. While Dupre has been open about her body transformation,

he's never confirmed the weight loss came as a result of a GLP1 medication. Instead, she told people magazine that she's living a healthy lifestyle with a priority of health for her, but things changed once she entered her 40s. Okay. So whether or not she's on GLP1 is like seriously not a real. The thing is, is like, I actually liked Cheryl Burke as a guest co-host, guest judge. I thought she did a good job. I said that yesterday.

And like she should have given Alex to town like everybody else was. And I like that Ashley is like, you know, riding for her stepdaughter. Ashley's just like a tough person to like, you should be starting beef when you have like that many like dramas in your in your closet. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it's, that was like an irrelevant part. Yeah. That wasn't a good criticism.

Right. And also, it was a week where Alex came out on the top of the leader. Right. So, like, that's not a week to be starting stuff. Yeah. And also the weird thing was this was a TikTok that she posted, right? Yeah. It's not like she was caught in the background. Right. And I thought, oh, she was like on live and people screen recorded her. But no, she like said that and then posted it. I thought that that was a little crazy. And like, I think that we all have eyes. And we know that like, and she's already addressed it. She looks different. But like, she's addressed it. I don't know. It's just like it didn't have anything to do with what she said. And it was, it was nasty. It was nasty. It was nasty. And also. And also. And also. And also. And also. And also. And also. And also. And also. And also. And. And. And. And. And. And. And So, like, I already feel like a little about Ashley Dupree's social media presence, right? Like, she is, I know that the family has healed. And I'm happy for them. I haven't. Like, it's so crazy to me how Alex and her family have just sort of welcomed in this woman. And I know they talked about dancing with the stars and when they have kids, like, yeah, it's really mature. But, like, for me, she's Ashley Dupree.

Right. And so it's just her social media activity and the whole, like, she's, this is negatively, but, like, I don't mean it negatively. like riding Alex's coattails, creating, she has like a couple hundred thousand followers on TikTok and she's becoming famous and whatever. And she's rewriting her own story, if you will. I don't love it.

Yeah. And like I always think of like Alex's mom. Yeah. I just, I don't know. It's not my favorite. So for her to be like making news in a negative way. And also Alex is still on the show. Alex is still trying to win.

And like you're not making it parjy for Alex. I can see Alex having been mad at this. But Alex wasn't mad, you know, a fair. Right, right. She got an amazing score, and I thought that it didn't make her look good. And like you're saying, like, those in glass houses should have those stones. Not that those two things are equivalent. They're not, but like once you put yourself out there like that, then everybody, you're just bringing up everything.

Totally. That's why I don't feel like she should have any sort of, like, internet presence. I think it probably makes it hard for Alex. Yeah. Everyone's always bringing up this, like very painful thing in her family's history. And so whenever she, like, pops up on my TikTok, I'm always like, oh. Yeah, cringe. Do you think she had Alex's permission to, like, start influencing?

Did she ask? She probably brought it up and just said, like, do you care that I, I think it probably happens somewhat naturally, but I, yeah, I don't. Because there's, like, intrigue in the family. Yeah, as there should be. Yeah, it just, like, makes me mad for the mom. Yeah. But because, I don't actually, like, know the full background of this.

So the father cheated on him. When I was in high school. Yeah. Not to make everything about me. Sure. When I was in high school, there was this huge scandal. And I remember it because my high school was right by Elliott Spitzer's apartment. And, like, literally there was pantomonium outside for weeks.

And it turned out he was the governor of New York using, like, campaign funds. to pay for prostitutes. Or, escorts, prostitutes. Oh. And the prostitute escort who worked with Elliot Spitzer, but then I think she also had like a couple of girls was Ashley Dupre. She was the main one? Yes.

And she also like had her black book was then released. Very like Desperate Housewives when that woman, you know. And in her black book was a bunch of like high net worth men in the area. Right. Alex Jarl's father being one of them. Oh. They ended up falling in love. And now they literally have like a very traditional.

They had kids. Right. So he was stepping out on her mom with Ashley. I see. And so the fact that they have all, they all have dinner together. Like they are this healed family. It's really crazy. And Alex is very, very rarely spoken about it.

And even if, I mean, even the times where she did, I don't think she really scratched a service at like how deeply painful that was. And then on Dancing with the Star, she talked about how like she loves her little sibling so much because they healed her family. Like her family, maybe not be in this like amazing place without. out the birth of these kids. So it's all really admirable. And Alex's mom, like, you know, goes on vacation.

Like, it's really modern family to the next level. Could never be me. Yeah. Yeah. It's, her mom, I guess, is very, like, diplomatic. Oh, the mom is a fucking queen. Yeah. And then so the girl that Alex donated, donated, dedicated.

The dance to was her half-sister. Yeah. Of Ashley and her father. Right. Who, like, really healed the family. Got it. They say they wouldn't have gotten to this place without Isabel. Yeah.

Okay. So that is a really, really crazy story. crazy story. I don't think that pre clues Ashley Dupree from like ever speaking on the internet, but she has so, like watch it a little bit. Yeah, and I don't think that this was, and it's all like, I think she thought it was good and safe because it's all in defense of Alex.

Right, and maybe people, she thought people would think it was like funny and everybody saw what she looked like. We love to see her like, you know, standing up for Alex. Yeah. No. Yeah. Especially because like you said, Cheryl did a good job. I thought Cheryl was great. Yeah. And I've seen Cheryl's TikToks. I think I spoke about them once on, before I was into dancing with the stars.

I spoke about them on the toast being like, because she used to date um he's from boy meets world oh Matthew Lawrence and now he's dating 3LW and they had a very contentious divorce and she was making like a lot of tic-ttox looking different and so she made a lot of news about her appearance like a couple of years ago so much so it got to me right I don't even know these people I don't watch boy me's world right um so like it's just kind of like low hanging through for Ashley I'm not a fan yeah um all right next up some next gen NYC I haven't watched but I'm always keeping up with next gen NYC I do think it has potential and I do think the show could get to a point where like I would watch it.

Sure. Me too. But they need to like do better. And this is doing better. Brook Shields's daughter, Rowan, has been spotted filming for Bravo's Nepo Baby Show next-gen, NYC. So a spy tells us that they spotted Brookshield's daughter Rowan Henchy filming the Cyan heavy show last week. It was a scene of the cast for the fashion chain urban outfitters.

The show which is filming its second season stars reality star kids, Riley Burris, Gia Judice, Brooks Marks, Ariana Beerman, as well as Damon Dash's daughter, Ava Dash, and others. And the Calvin Klein model shares Rowan with TV. The Calvin Klein model shares Rowan. Oh, Rowan's dad, like, thanks for saying that weirdly. Is TV writer Chris Henshi. I don't know him.

But that's why her name is Rowan Henshi. Got it. She's a college grad, but she seems ready for the spotlight. She has 12,000 followers on Instagram. Over 100,000 on TikTok. She's appeared on red carpets with her mom. She went to the White House Correspondence dinner, yada, yada. So I actually think that this is a good casting.

I think that they have like a couple of good things at NextGen, but not all of it's good. I was really into the Ariana Bierman storyline. I think she's carrying the show and you know her and her boyfriend broke up. Oh, did they? Yeah. Okay. Which is kind of sad because I feel like her family life was falling apart.

And like her boyfriend, like she had this really good relationship. I thought that they should and would get married. And he also offered financial stability, which I was excited about. Yeah, I feel like she needs stability. And you didn't watch the show at all. Like not one minute of it. Me neither. But I want them to do well.

Yeah. I hate that Bravo can't seem to make a good reality show about New York City. aside from the original show, which hasn't been good in many years. There's so many interesting people here from so many different ones. So, like, so much money here. And the fact that they, like, can't get arrested, I do think it speaks to, like, I always say this. People in New York with real money, like, don't want to be famous. That's the difference from L.A. and New York.

Like, real money in New York, they want no part of, like, fame, especially reality TV. So it makes it hard to cast people. But there are plenty of rich desperate people. I'm one of them. Like, you know? I think it's like adverse selection. Like, the people who would do the show are the people that, like, like you wouldn't really want on a reality show.

And like, what would you say was the reason that Rooney original was successful and, like, bypass this phenomenon? Well, it was the early days of reality TV. So, like, as viewers, we were just like, we had less high standards. Right. They did have, like, wealthy people. Now they're all, like, strong out. But, like, Countess Luann was a Countess de la Cep.

She had a townhouse on the Upper East side. Like, it was insane. She had had a huge house in the Hamptons. Obviously, things are different now. Even Ramona and Mario, like, they lived on a classic six on the Upper East. Like, they didn't have the most money in the world. but they were very, very, Zarin. Zarin was big.

Big. But they were also women who had like literally nothing to lose. Like they didn't really have businesses. They were housewives traditionally. Oh, you know, I just saw Terry Hatcher was on Skinny Confidential podcast. I saw that too. And I just want to say like, thank you for asking. And I don't love Terry Hatcher.

I can't get into my desperate housewife's thoughts. But I love that they asked her a question that like I have long wondered. Not enough people talk about like the entire Real Housewives franchise, especially just the name of it, was inspired and, loosely based off of Desperate Housewives. And like, where's Mark Cherry's financial compensation? And Terry Hatcher said, like, he deserves something because it's this huge billion-dollar industry. And, like, literally, he started it.

Yeah, it's his idea. Not only that, but when you watch the very earliest seasons of Orange County, like, even the themes and, like, the narration sounded like Desperate Housewives. The image. Yeah. Like, even to this day, every Real Housewives poster for a new season, they're holding diamonds, they're holding apples, they're holding apples. They're holding oranges depending on the city.

Right. That was the poster for Desper Housewives. They were holding apples. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure, I guess he didn't own, like, the concept. Right. But it really, I mean, and it's the name. Everybody would say that it's from Desperate Housewives.

No, it's not even a question of it is or isn't. But the question is like, do, does Mark Cherry get owed some sort of financial compensation? Here's another question. What else has Mark Cherry done? Like, is he okay financially? Oh, he's fine. Oh, okay. From Desperate Housewives, but he also, did you ever watch Why Women Kill?

No. It was only like a two-season show. It was amazing. Desper Housewives is his big thing, but he definitely has like a million other shows. Okay. So we're not so worried about him financially. I'm afraid to ask this question. Did you watch Desperate Housewives?

I watched like the first three seasons and when I was on my maternity leave. And then that was like when I realized Marsha Cross is Marcia Cross. She's so crazy. I actually couldn't watch it anymore now. I'm not the type to like just give up everything where somebody is anti-Israel because if I did I would have nothing to watch or listen to. Right. But with this it was it was like so egregious and it just gave me such a pit. She's wild.

Okay. So Jackie and I were having this conversation last night like about. some people, like we had this conversation offline. There are some people like, we just can't quit. Yeah, of course. And like whether they do or safe, even if it's about like Jews or otherwise, like some people, I just can't quit. I forget who you're having the conversation about.

Oh, I don't want to say it because like I don't want to quit him. Right. And it's just funny. Like it's definitely selective outrage. Sure. But it's also like sometimes I just forget. Yeah. And sometimes the project is so, it transcends everything.

This is pargy. Like I'm sorry. We were just talking about Billy Eilish, but birds of a feather. Like I will never. I was skipping that song for a while. And then I remember I think I posted or you posted. I can't remember like one of us were like, like, can't quit this song. I need to listen to the song.

It's beautiful. What I should suffer. Exactly. Because she's Fabisina. Right. And I'm just, I'm listening to a song. Right. I'm not like, not that I have that much power.

But I'm not like, I'm not going to her concert. Right. It's a very small like financial contribution. Agreed. And it's fine. Yeah, it's fine. It's fine. I almost want her to be a billionaire.

Just so that like you can call her out. Oh yeah. For sure. I don't think that. So I do think next gen is. almost there. I also think I might be just too old for it. Yeah.

Like, Ariana Bierman's what? I mean, this girl's 22. What am I watching a 22 year old for? Well, I think it's possible for things like that to be good, but I think you've just outgrown Bravo in a lot of ways generally. I have. There are a lot of shows that, like, I used to live for that I just, like, can't watch anymore.

It doesn't serve me. That's a fair point, too. I also think, like, the concept of them doing Bravo-Nepo babies, like, was a good idea. But some, like, and this is going to be mean, and I don't mean it to be mean, but like some things, like, are just not going to be good, like, when Brooks Marx is a part of it. Do you know what I mean? Like, it makes it just, like, fake. Oh, do you remember the time that I saw you at, like, leaving Zero Bond? To be clear, I wasn't at Zero Bond. Yes, yes, of course. There were so many people leaving at night, Kim being one of them. I saw you. And I saw Brooks Marks and he was like, he loved the fan. We were like, we were like, we're not here for you. I know. And that's what I mean, it's just, it's not a good fit. Yeah. And also it's, to me, that show is so clearly cobbled together. We know that real housewives in general are cobbled together like these people aren't usually real friends with rare exceptions. But this was like, let's just put all of these people on a show. A random bunch of people who have quite literally never met. Right.

So I find that I find that hard to. Like you're telling me Brooke Shield's daughter and Gia Judey's hang out. Like they don't. They don't. They don't. All right. Next step, we have some White Lotus news. They have decided they are shooting season four in Paris and at the French Riviera at two five star hotel.

So they haven't officially confirmed which hotel. Variety has learned that Mike White Anthology will indeed next shoot... Why do people write like in this way? Just tell me where they're shooting. They've actively been scouting swanky locations in both Paris and French Riviera. So similarly to season three how they were at

Kosema but then had like that storyline in Bangkok. They're going to be in the French Riviera like south of France with a subplot in Paris. Okay. Which I do kind of like and I do think French Riviera like I would have guessed it but I thought it would be too obvious like south of France like... I don't know, I just thought they would do something different

but I guess they really don't want to do somewhere cold. Oh, okay. So, like, I don't watch The White Lotus. I know what? I literally come here and I was like, I'm just like, like, Claudia doesn't have to worry about me. Like, I have institutional knowledge of all these things. I don't watch next gen.

I don't watch it either, but I can talk about it. But I think that offers something good. It's kind of like when you and Jackie sometimes talk about football and it's like, it's funny. And outsider's perspective. Right. I will say, I like, I know something about it and like I've been to the south of France. Oh, okay. I mean, I was there once. They should do it. They should do it. And it was my honeymoon, by the way.

Like, it wasn't just, yeah. They should do it at the hotel we stayed at because it was amazing. And it wasn't the classic one, the one. Hotel to Cap. I think they maybe would want to do it there because it's so like essential. Also, didn't they have a partnership with the four seasons that ended? Oh, did it? Yes. I think that I saw that story. So now they have there. Oh, it's open. Yeah. Yeah. I guess that was like kind of limiting. And what is HBO owe this random hotel chain? Right. And like, they don't need the press. the four seasons. No, I mean, I would love to see some sort of like statistic on how the White Lotus impacted. I mean, that Italian hotel with the Jennifer Coolidge season on the Vespa, you can't get a room at that hotel for, for years. I know the Maui one was like kind of everyone has been there and like, it's like obvious, right? But nobody had really known about this like random small town in Italy. You can, you will not be able to stay there for the next 10 years. I would love to see like a

financial report. Okay. On the impact of HBO on four seasons. And like, why? That was such a random partnership. Yeah. But I mean, it worked. Also. Also. I have a question. Could I like watch season four having not watched the first three? Okay, it's a good question because Ben joined me this season and I think last season without having seen the earlier seasons. And while yes, you can enjoy it, every season is a reset. Like they cast new people. There are two or three characters who have started from the first season and work at all the different hotels because it's the same chain in the show. And it does seem like they're painting a larger picture with these random people who show up for mere minutes every season. So I would recommend watching the earlier seasons, especially because they're better.

Like the Hawaii season is definitely the best season. Okay. And then the Italy season is actually great too. Okay. And then this most recent one, like, wasn't my favorite. Have there been three? Yeah. Okay.

So, I mean, what are you doing? Watch them all. Like, when you're so busy? I have this, like, this. I get mad when other people like like something so much. And then I'm behind on it. I'm like, forget you guys. I'm too stubborn now.

Severance. Oh, yeah. No, I'll never watch it. So Ben comes home and he went, where did he go? He was on a plane. Oh, when we flew home from L.A., he flew home early. And he's like, I watched the most amusing show. I was like, have you ever heard of it?

Severance? Like, it's the biggest show on television. I'm like, yes, Ben, I've heard of it. And he keeps calling it his plane show, which I, like, I know Ben. So, like, I know that's what he means. But he's talking to Margot who he's like, this plane show. And Margo's like, manifest? She had no idea what he was talking about.

And he was like, it's called like Severance. He's talking about it, like, he found this like indie film. And he's only on the fifth episode. And I'm like, okay, I will join you. But like, we have to watch the first five episodes. again. And he's like, well, I can't. So we're just like sort of at this standstill every night where I watched Love's Blind Reunion last night and he just scrolled TikTok for two hours. It was so annoying because Ben scrolling TikTok and I know I scroll TikTok, but it's different when I do it. Of course. And his is all music. Oh. And so he'll turn to me and like show me these punk rock Taylor Swift covers and it's like I don't care. I need you to stop. I don't care. I also don't really like those. I'm sorry. I agree. Respect to to wunge. I find them like everyone's always so moved by them and I'm like, I don't know. Like the genre shifting for Taylor Swift. Like I'm good. I don't like it either. I completely agree. Does your husband. scroll a lot? No. Like, he doesn't have any of these. What are you going to talk about? He doesn't have any of these apps. Like, that's insane. No, I know. It's actually nice, though, because it means, like,

when I'm making Instagram stories, I don't have to think about him, like, watching them. And that's really freeing. Not that, like, he's, you know, like, he's going to do anything. That's a great question. Like, you don't have to, like, fear of judgment. No, I find it, like, creating really hard when there's people, I know there's people I know watching it. Like, way harder than if I'm just, like, speaking to an audience of anonymous people. That's why I love that Bend does. listen to The Toast. Yeah. Because you can let her rip.

Some could see it as unsupportive, but I see it as freeing because I can make fun of him. I think that, like, listening to a podcast every day is crazy. And it is worth mentioning. I can't remember the last time I listened to an episode of The Good Guys. Maybe it was the one that I didn't even listen to it. I just experienced it. Yeah. And you hear so much about it when he comes home probably that you feel like you don't need to.

It's so true. He was just like gabbing away the other day and knew about all about John Stamos. Oh, yeah. That was a biggie. That was a biggie. Did you teach Anna Affleck put it on her story? Because he, John Stamos talked about her. Ben brought up Jen Affleck.

I don't know why they started talking about dancing with the stars with John Stamos, but Ben was talking about it. And then he was talking about how that Jen Affleck's on it postpartum. And then John Samus was like, oh, yeah, she's like that cute girl, right? And I think she was like really excited. John Seamus called her cute. Never do anything ever again. That's amazing.

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And I don't find him funny a lot of the time. But he had Prince Harry on his podcast, which is like a huge deal. I didn't even know that he had a podcast. So, like, it's not like he's a major contender in the podcasting. fear, but this was a really big deal, and he used it as an opportunity to be funny, and I really appreciate that. So the Duke of Sussex was hilariously asked about what he thinks about Taylor Swift

and Charlie XX's feud on the Hassan Minaj doesn't know podcast, and then the host introduced the topic by warning Harry that it was a very heavy topic. He introed it really funny. He explained it really funny, and Harry just sort of like stood there dumbfounded, and I just want to say like nothing Harry. Last name, Windsor? Harry. I was going to say styles. What is his name? Are they Sussex? Nothing Prince Harry does, like, makes me laugh, smile or even feel a remote pang of joy. I just think he's the most insufferable loser on the planet.

But you know what? This is funny. I thought he was funny too. Yes, it takes two to tango. Yeah. These are two people who I don't normally, like, find intriguing or funny. Slade. Not only that, but I don't think that many people, like, mainstream are talking about the Charlie Taylor thing.

Besides you guys. It's true. It's very internet, chronic online. So not only was he, like, talking about this, but he was talking about it with Harry. I thought that that was hysterical. Me too. And there really isn't much to talk to Harry about. Obviously, if I had him on this podcast, I would ask him, but you're not allowed, right?

The publicists, so you can't talk about Meg Zit. You can talk about the things that are interesting. So he was probably scraping the bottom of the barrel for things to talk about because, like, you can only talk about mental health for so long. And I appreciate, like, Hassan getting creative and it's funny. It is funny. And I think also, I wonder what, like, Harry makes of Taylor because. Because William is a big shake-it-off fan.

Of course. And there's so many, like, lines. That's actually really true. Okay, not us like being able to make it like interesting and dramatic. Oh. That's a really good comparison. And also bringing up Taylor Swift like at every opportunity. Now, I think I know the answer to this, but what do you make of the Charlie XX Taylor Swift beef?

I feel like the exact same way as you guys. I mean, there are some parties on both sides of these that I don't like, but for the most part, I'm team Taylor. Yeah. Did you feel at all like it was kind of punching down? Yes. So I always wish she didn't address it because like it makes Charlie relevant and like puts Charlie on Taylor's level. She's literally not. But like Taylor's mad and I support mad women.

There's nothing like a mad woman. What a shame she went mad. I think that Taylor, like my beef with Taylor often is that she's bringing up beef where I'm like, girl, you won. I know. It's so over. Like the fact that she's still making songs about Kim and Kanye. Like, oh, how the mighty have fucking fallen.

But also like she doesn't need to. I know. She won. I think it's like clear as anything. I always say that her last flex should be going to the Met Gala. Because you always say it's Kim's Batmice. It's a Kardashian Sweet 16. Nobody would care about Kim.

I mean, actually, I think inside people would maybe be more hostile to Taylor because I think there are people there. She has a lot of enemies in the industry because everyone's jealous of her. And she's like, Loki has beef with a lot of people. Of course. Billy Elish does attend. Charlie XX does attend. Carly Closs does attend.

Oh, yeah. Oh, you posted something really interesting on your story that I feel like not enough people are talking about. Gigi Carly? Yes. And you said, like, I feel like this is a reach, but it's not. No. Gigi Addeed sharing on her Instagram.

Instagram story. So Carly Claus posted, Gigi has like a cashmere line. And I guess they make like kid stuff. And Carly just gave birth. So Carly posted on her story like, oh my head. It's so cute. Baby's wearing this guest in residence. That's the name of her brand. And tag Gigi. Gigi reshirt of being like so crazy. It's crazy for two reasons. One, Taylor, Gigi. Obviously. Two, politically. Yeah. There's some Israel, Palestine. Yes. Kushner. Right. Exactly. So and I don't know which Gigi was fine with like doing away with first. But I thought that that was a like crazy and I like I said I really don't care to post about Gigi on my story but I was like this is wild I think about that a lot with Gigi and her ex former step half sisters the foster's yeah and like do you think Gigi watches nobody wants this I don't know but like I think after October 7th and all of the you know the Israel stuff like I think after is when the foster's went on watch what happens live and said like they they speak to her yeah Sarah yes she did I do think like I don't I don't know people's like personal lives and personal like relationships or whatever do

you can, I think, still be friends and family with them, but it's awkward because, like, they're in the public sphere and they're opposite. They are the public sphere. Yeah, it's so true. So, yeah, that was wild. Do you think it's possible that Gigi and Taylor are? I mean, I would love that. I'm like, I can't hide my smile.

I have long said that I think Taylor, like, one of my greatest criticisms is her. It's like, if I was her, I would be, like, the people she's friends with celebrities are the last people on earth I would be friends with. Like, I just don't vibe with any of her selections. And, yeah, I, except I don't. think it would be good for Taylor to lose another long-term friend. I don't think it would make Taylor look good. Like Blake Lively and her, obviously, Blake Lively is the villain, so nobody thinks Taylor's wrong for that.

But, you know, the girl who, like, well, there's something wrong with the girl, not the friends. I think people already say that whether or not it's true. Yeah. Yeah. But, like, and I don't love Selena, but I think her longstanding friendship with Taylor, like, makes them both look good. Like, it's nice to have people who have no friends. Like, there's something weird about you, right? And I think Taylor feels really strongly that, like, she shouldn't not be friends with people because of their public presence.

Which I think is fair. Because there was a time where Taylor's public presence was really negative. And I think people didn't want to be friends with it and that really deeply hurt her. That's why for so long, I know everybody says I'm like a denier. But I did not believe that her and Blake were not friends anymore because the idea that Taylor would be on the outs with somebody who's publicly being canceled is so I think goes against Taylor's philosophies. Totally. And a part of me still kind of believes that they're going to be like, psych, we're still friends. I don't think so.

I know. I know. I think that I think the reason that that friendship ended allegedly is, is, is, deeper than like the public what the public perception was. Because I really do think Taylor would stand by her friend through anything and I do think some of the things

that we've heard about like the lawsuit affecting her have been true or some version of that has... And it's worth mentioning Taylor has like a lot of friends but Blake is like different. She's the godmother. Like they're so deeply connected. They are. I mean I thought somebody tweeted that

she didn't want to release the reputation re-record because Blake Lively's daughter did the voice and gorgeous. And like she, Taylor in doing her Taylor's version would bring back people, which, by the way, people don't talk about that enough, like, that all these people came back. I mean, she's Taylor Swift, but still. But, yes, the longstanding relationships.

It's impressive. It is impressive. And that, like, one of the daughters does the intro to gorgeous. And so she just, like, didn't want to do it because she didn't want to have to deal with it. Yeah. That's actually a good point. It's sad. Like, and, like, there's all those videos of her with the kids at the tour.

No, it's terrible. So I can't wait for, like, her bachelor at party content because we're going to see. Because then we'll really see, like, who's who. And I think we're going to see it. But to go back to your former point, I really would love and kind of need Taylor to go to the Mac Gala. I know. Especially because like, oh, I also could use like a Taylor Vogue cover. Like whatever happened to that.

Vogue is the reason Taylor has bangs, you know? And so I would love that. Yeah. I think she and Travis need to do it. Just one. Yes, absolutely. And it's very like Giselle and Tom Brady. Totally.

I love. Yeah. Okay. Our fifth and final story is The Love is Blind reunion. So Megan Sparkle Walleris. I guess she has the last name. Her first name is Sparkle and her last name is Megan. And I do wonder if she regrets sharing the just that like,

that little nickname. I don't know if she knew that Netflix was going to run with it and just like literally put her name title as Sparkle. But she has confirmed last night was a reunion that she welcomed a baby during the off season. So she said, I'm a mom now. I had a baby boy two and a half months ago. I have a little boy and he's my whole world. You know, I now know more than ever that I was meant on this earth to be a mom. He's amazing. Our family's really happy. They obviously asked like, who's the daddy. And he was in the audience. He's a baldini. He's so cute. I'm so happy for her. I actually, when I saw him, I gasped because I was like, that's a man. And that's the guy from the pictures, the paparazzi picks.

And you can tell he's rich, like, just by his vibe. Thousand percent. So I'm a little bit older, too. Yeah, I'm happy for her in that sense. I do, I agree with you 100% where you were just like, Jordan offers her something that she couldn't find with the other people. And I thought him saying that was such a sleigh. He was like, all of the other guys that were rich, like, they didn't work out.

They didn't work out. And that was for a reason. Maybe it was like a little cutting to her, but I thought that was so on point. And I feel like this guy that she's with, like, they might not be together if they didn't. She said like it wasn't easy. Like I don't know if it's this great love. Yeah. I think if anything, like he maybe makes her Miss Jordan.

Maybe. I like ship them so hard. I thought that the way that they also handled their like confrontation was so mature. And I wondered also like is that because they both have kids? Like these are people who like they can't deal with like these petty things. Yeah. I have I had a problem with almost everybody else at the reunion. Same.

Oh my God. Like not the team like that couch with the girl who's name. I don't know. Madison like. in, like, oh, such a loser energy. Nobody was agreeing with me when I was put, by the way, I was posting about how Casey, I thought she's a very unsympathetic character. I really didn't like the way that she handled the situation.

That said, like, I rode with her last night. The way Patrick was, like, acting like her dad. Okay, so Patrick was like living for the fact that people on the internet, he was the victim, right? She didn't handle this breakup well at all. And I was not on her side. So he got like, you know, you either die the hero, live long enough to become the villain. And like he loved that people were like riding for him. And he was like regurgitating internet points.

Just like throwing them at her face. And he's like, listen, I'm going to give you the chance. Yeah, like her dad, exactly. Going to give you the space to apologize so like you can stop getting hate. And I'm sorry. Ick of the century talking about the ring. Like why the fuck would you want to ring? It's for girls.

Like thank you Casey or who was it. The nurse. Allie. You didn't pay for it. Like Netflix did. So Casey absolutely should keep it. If anyone's going to take it back, it's Netflix. like, ick, get out of here.

Like, what are you going to wear it? Yeah. Also, it's like, I was sitting there being like, everyone stopped being poor. Like, they wanted the ring because why did you want the ring? And yeah, shout out to Ali for bringing that up. Again, like, Casey kept saying things during the reunion where I was like, like, where she was, you couldn't tell whether she was lying about being with those other guys. She's not someone I was like going hard for.

But because he was so awful. Yes, he was awful. I was 100% on her side in that confrontation. Yeah, a thousand percent. Like, I could not stand him. And then that Chris Paul thing? What was that? Genuinely? What?

Do you think Chris asked me, do you think they paid him? Or do you think Chris Paul's like a big love is blind fan? There's literally no way he's a big love is blind man. But how much money do they have? I have no idea. Or, or Chris Paul has a Netflix show coming out. Like a something. It's that.

Cross promo. Yeah, it's that. What on earth? It was crazy. And the fact that they never let it end? No. Like I was like, okay, it's like fine. Does make your shot?

But then they both like kept tying. So they'd like go four rounds. Like seriously? What was that? That was crazy to include. Awful. I will say, I actually like the music. Is that crazy?

Oh, no. I mean, last season they had Alex Warren and they get good people. I don't dislike it at all. I thought it was like cute. It makes the event actually probably a little more fun for the people there. And like, I know that you're more of an industry person. So you probably know that going to tapings of those things, like probably sucks. So like make it a little fun for the people.

And I didn't think it took up too much time. The reunion was actually an hour and 14 minutes. It could have been 50 minutes. Yeah. But it wasn't bad. It wasn't egregious. No, when there are so many people. And like you do want to give like proper time to each storyline.

I could not believe how much time we spent on that blonde girl. And I guess she was involved in like two love triangles. So like she wasn't irrelevant, but she was not on my screen past episode three or four. Why was she the entire reunion? And I'm sorry, Madison has a little bit of Patrick syndrome where she was definitely like the injured party. And you get high on your own supply when everyone on the internet is gassing you up. And then you just become insufferable. So sorry, like I'm team Joe.

Right. I agree. Also, Joe is hot. I was going to say that, but I thought it was crazy because, like, I'm not a mustache girl. Me neither. I thought it made him look like just older and better. No, he's hot. And you know he like fucks. Like, he had like a million girls. I was in Avery and then he was with Casey and then he's with Madison. Like, like, obsessed. I think with Madison, it was at first, I was totally on her side because it's, I can't imagine. Also something more painful than like the guy not liking you because of the way that you look. And I just want to say, I thought that too. But upon further reflection, I I actually think, like, Nick, while at first he was like, wait, this girl's not my type. I actually think he was really into her. He said all we did was fucking fight. Yeah. I actually think he was surprised by how attracted he was to her, given that she wasn't his traditional type. So I think the reunion was actually quite flattering for Nick because I now no longer think I can never remember. Kevin. I can never remember who their names are.

I actually think the reunion was quite good for him because when they were talking about how they went out after and they made out and he started. I'm sorry, the allegations that he wasn't into her or that he didn't find her attractive are false. I feel like they are false. I think the reunion was actually really good for him. I do think he really liked her. I think she was insufferable as a partner. Yeah, I agree. And they weren't a match.

She kept saying like, and why did you kiss me? Like that was really confusing. It's like, well, did you not kiss him back? Also, like, he's not allowed. You're allowed to go through your feelings, exercise like things you want. He's not? Yeah. She didn't know how to be the victim.

Yeah, she was insufferable. her and that other girl next to her, we're like gassing each other up. Oh my God. Hated. I did not like it. You know who like Loki came off looking good and she did not have a good season? Who? Annie.

Oh my God. Well, she fixed her hair, first of all. Well, of course. Imagine how good it feels to like look amazing after people come for you on the internet, especially because like they were right, but it was mean. Her hair was crazy. But it was also I feel like people had a little bit more licensed to criticize her because she is a hairdresser.

I know. But like it affects her business. Of course, of course. But you are a walking advertisement. Of course. I thought she was amazing. I thought she was the fact that she came to Nick's defense who was literally self-flagellating. Like he was so sorry.

And I really believed him. I did too. Maybe I'm like gullible or naive. No, he's not an actor. Like it's just a regular person. And I think like he seems like a religious person. So I really thought like, okay, this is a thoughtful apologies. Yeah, he felt sorry.

And he didn't like the way that he looked. And like, that's all he can do. He can't prove it any other way. And this girl Kate was like, I don't know, it could still be like not genuine. But she was, she was. so put off by this insanely mature, genuine, thoughtful apology that the only thing she knew out of do was like

maybe, I don't know. She was the biggest, losery's moment ever. Yeah. And I didn't watch the last 10 minutes. I mean, I did, but like I was on my phone. They took us so long to get to KB and Edmund, which is almost not fair because they were actually engaged in. They're one of the very few couples who actually made it to

the end of the altar, but I was just so over the reunion by that time. And I don't know, it's very much he said, she said. I hate when people talk so heavily about things that happen off camera. I want to believe you, but I didn't see it. I, um, yeah, I think that the people who are saying that he probably like shouldn't have been on the show were on to something. Yes. And I know, I think Jackie came away, like, really hating him and really being on KB's side. And like, I just don't agree with that.

I think it when there's such like a clearly uneven relationship. Yeah. I'm not really going to like side with the person who's giving a laundry list of things, even if they're true. I know. I'm sure they are. I'm sure he was doing X, Y, Z. And he kept saying like, oh, well, you know, I, but I love you. you like he was toxic however like to me she was clearly more emotionally mature than

and she just regulate her emotions too so i thought it was really good that she said like i know everyone's giving me shit like because he was exactly who he was in the pods but she only heard his voice she's like i didn't see him being so animated and so emotional like i didn't even realize he was crying you can't see you can just hear and i actually appreciated that because he he was himself the entire time himself was just like a little nutty yeah i thought that was well taken yeah her pulling that thing out of her bra, like, wasn't a sleigh. She did say, though, she was like, it's not like that. Yeah, no, she said, like, I just have a hard time remembering things, but I don't know, what's to remember? Like, this was an engagement. Yeah, and she liked, that's her thing. She likes

having, like, a list and data to back up, which, by the way, like, there's something to be said about that, because when you're in the heat of an argument, it can be hard to, like, remember the things that you're thinking of. But, yeah, whenever people, like, bring receipts to a union, it was like the first time somebody did that, it was probably, it was such a sleigh. I don't know who it was either, but obviously there are moments where it's, like, huge. you know, Candice and the Monique and the binder. Oh my God. Was that the season where they had like a fight?

Yes, the physical fight. And then, of course, Ramona printing out screenshots. Like those are iconic moments. Now it's like a trope. It's like walking off. The first person to ever walk off, Ramona Singer, when they were talking about Alex McCord's nude photos. Oh, her photos, yeah.

And she just walked off and Andy was like, where are you going? She's like, oh, I don't want to be a part of it. Be a part of nude photos. Like, lull. Did you see last night she went to a Halloween party? If you're not following the Ramona Singer on social media, you aren't living. She posted the most. crazy fucking video.

She went to a Halloween party. Okay. And she said, guess who I'm dressed up as? And I was like, well, you're obviously Joan Rivers. Oh. Turns out she was Marilyn Monroe. And then I didn't know until she was like, happy birthday, Mr. President. Oh, Ramona.

She is a caricature. Put her back on TV. I've had enough. Yeah. Like, okay, we get it. She's not woke. Okay. Like, it's fine.

She's so fucking crazy. I saw her on the street the other day. She looks amazing. Yeah. It's insane that she's like almost 70. She's a star. Whether we like it or not, she is our, problematic star put her back on TV. Yeah, she brings something that people aren't bringing these days.

It's so true because she don't give a fuck and she also does not live on planet Earth. Yeah. Which I think is a really important key factor in being a successful reality star. Totally. I agree. Liz is there anything else you want to talk about, promote, dive into before we wrap up today's episode. I don't think so. I think we covered. We covered the topics. We did. You can follow me on Instagram and TikTok at Liz P. Woods. I also posted today that I'll be moderating an event on behalf of the Jewish National Fund, which you can find the link to on my stories if you want to go and swirl it up with some other fellow jewishers. Swirl it the fuck up. And, and that's it. I'm so grateful to be like part of the rotation. Let me just say, if you're not following at Liz P. Woods, spelled exactly how it sounds on Instagram. Like, you aren't living. I know you work so hard on your Instagram stories. And so I just feel like I always need to gas you up. Like, if I had to follow one person,

it would like be Jackie and my family. And then you. Not Ben, though. Like, I would follow you you before Ben. Honestly, Ben, like, his content doesn't do it for me. He doesn't post that much. He doesn't. And like, I don't know. I just like what you post, I know. I know. I need to know, like in a biological sense. Sure. So I highly recommend everyone following at Liz P. Woods on Instagram. Thank you so much for being here.

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