The Toast - Felonious Gypsy: Friday, October 2nd, 2026

Episode Date: October 2, 2026

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It's Jackson, Claude and every show the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off, Swirley. It's the Toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy Friday. I hope everybody's just sort of acknowledging the space that they're in and taking a look around and feeling immense gratitude for where we're at. It's exciting to be on a Friday. I'll like to tell you something.

What? I'm so bad. I forgot to tell you offline so I can tell you online. It's not Friday. Well, we might... When I went to sleep last night, I fully thought yesterday was Friday night. I was like, oh, Claudia, I wanted to send you something when I was like, she's off her phone at Shabbat. I was like thinking about how, I wonder how late I'll be able to sleep in. That's so funny.

Thank God I remembered. Well, I feel that just like programming update is like, we're probably going to have to start like exclusively talking about dancing with the stars on Patreon. Because like these pros, they like don't know how famous there. They're all up in our comments. Who? So yesterday we posted our clip about how you wanted to be paired up with Maxim. Yeah. And I said that would get you a beating.

Who's in the comments? but his brother Val saying Max is the goat. So he didn't like cup bras or anything, but it's just like, I need to be able to express myself. Like, I can't live like this. Or stop clipping dancing with the stuff. Maybe, but it's so viral.

It's viral and like that's what we want to talk about. But then yesterday I went and watched Max Summon Merrill's winning. I don't know what it was. It was their contemporary dance, I guess. That's when everyone starts getting like lyrical and takes their shoes off. Yeah. And I think that also it's like a little bit, you get a little bit more creative. like no and they like oh look naked it's very abbeyly it's very like yes yes exactly so everyone said

i need to watch max and merrill merrill was the figure skater right um and i realized i don't think i can do dancing at the start speaking that's what i've been saying no not for like they were so like intimate they literally were like kissing at the end i know they were kissing Claudia no i know and it's like i thought that with like riley and fibula like they're not married individuals a thousand percent And you just, it's kind of like how when you're an actor, you have to be comfortable because I feel like the guy from Desperate Housewives. A thousand percent. I can't do dancing with the stars because it's like inappropriate to my marriage. Yeah, like people can't be normal.

No. You can't just be like a dance partner relationship. It's like so intimate. It was not normal the way that they were touching each other. And then I also realized whenever they do the judges' scores and everything, like the two partners are standing. They're like clutching each other for doing. Get off me. One thousand percent.

Don't touch me. No, the lack of personal space is definitely something you would struggle with. in addition to all the other. And you have to constantly be hugging your partner and like holding them for your life. And if you're not, like the fans really start to think like there's something wrong or you guys are hating each other. Like there are so many theories.

So due to the physical touch, I cannot participate. It's true. Because you know I'm like that woman from 30 Rock that Alec like is dating for a second where like if you like touch her she like bruises. Yeah. When they go to the art gallery and stuff.

Like she's just like very fragile. That's me. She couldn't do dancing with the stars. Neither could I. We all have our reasons for why we couldn't do dancing with the stars. Because I was starting to think, you know, like, I find fibula to be an inspiration. Podcasters on Dancing with the Stars. Yeah, and I really thought, like, my barrier to entry would be like...

Like the physical element. No, no, like having young children and like the logistics... Schedule. To complete my sentence. Yeah, but that's what you're saying. Schedule, right? The logistics of, like, getting out there. Like, do I...

Like, especially if I did it when they're older, do they go to school there? Like, I... No. I thought that was going to be the most complicated part, but no. Alas. There's a weirdness and like we're all just supposed to like with Hollywood. Like we're supposed to be like this is normal. It's not. The marijuana, to the point that I was like, were they dating when they, where they like. Well, that's why there's rumors about every single person. Like half the time they're true and half the time they're not. Yeah, I could see why people might have thought. And the comments were saying, oh my God, remember when we shipped them so hard. I don't know if they were married when they were both. They're both like married with children now. But I hope they were single for what they were doing. And now you do understand like why Brooks sort of like had no choice but to start dating glad. Yeah. It's kind of like a forced marriage. Like you're just thrown into these sort of stressful.

So all is that to say, like, I need the Dancing with the Stars approach. Like respectfully, like respect to our creative process. What I need them to do is watch all shows that we talk about them. Because like if Derek just watches the clips or just hears a sound bite, like he's going to think that we're haters. And maybe it's unclear if you are or you aren't. I'm still working through my thoughts. But at this present moment, I'm not. But like overall, we're huge.

fans of the show of them like of everything we can't stop talking about it like we're fans and i just feel like that's not coming through no we're getting like haterishishish reputations and like we're not it's just so hard with the clips i know but like we do what we have to do for the sake of virality you know yeah but at the expense of our relationships and then say we ever do get cast on dancing with the star there's going to be no one left how are you going to look at derrick in the eye he's obviously going to judge you poorly well he judges everyone poorly and hopefully he can remember my name We didn't even discuss that Derek again this week called Tyler Cameron Dillon. It wasn't a bit.

No. I thought it was a bit. It was giving he caught it so quickly, but he still did it. That's how I interpreted it. Crazy. Genuinely offensive. It's also crazy that Dylan Afron went so far last season, considering he's no better than like a Tyler Cameron or a fibula. No, he was like dance-wise like he was better.

But it's a testament to Daniela. It's a testament to Daniela. Was you a true dancing with the Stars fan? You know it's all about the pro. It's all about the pro. And that's like what people used to say to me all the time. And I'm like, I'm sure it is. But I know.

Me too. I'm like, I don't care about pro drama. I'm here for the start. They're like, don't you want to know what happened. But I'm like, no, actually, like, I don't care about these people. But you know what? I do. And it is all about the pros.

It is. And it's the pro sort of make or break. What that? Yeah. So I guess we'll have to clip this because that was hilarious. It's all about the pros. Yeah. And just know, if we do, we're not haters.

No, we're huge fans. We're loving our time with the show. It's been a joy, and you guys are immensely talented. Thank you for all that you do. Especially the girls who, like, do it pregnant. Oh, yeah. Another inclusive element of the show. It's crazy.

Mm-hmm. Have you been seeing this clip going around of Ezra Frech when he was a youngster on Ellen? Of course. Now, I chills at the thought of my king being on Ellen, that toxic environment. The couple seconds that I watch, she seemed lovely. Speaking of kids on Ellen,

please tell me you saw that video it's really upsetting so there was a kid about the piano prodigy so he's grown now but there was a kid who was like one of those kids he was on Ellen a lot he was like an insane piano prodigy

I think he like went to Juilliard when he was like six and he's now like releasing all this footage I guess his mom has passed away but like his mom was like insanely abusive like to get him to that level so they're like all these it was like his Juilliard audition

and he like released the full video of like his mother screaming at him like berating him like an animal and he's like sitting there crying. It went so viral. It was all over my TikTok. It was so upsetting. And it like turns out like this great kid who we were out like, I was so cute. Like look he's on Ellen. Like he was like being abused like crazy. It was really upsetting. What is he doing now? I'm not sure. I hope so. Yeah, but like he probably makes you hate the thing. Yeah, of course. Of course.

That's really sad. No, I didn't see that. But you saw Ezra. Was on Ellen. Yes. As a youngster. Yeah. And I guess like that's where he should have been, of course. And she seemed to be being kind to him. She was kind to most of the kids. Who was she rude to? Mason Ramsey. Yes. And Dakota Johnson, of course. And she was rude to everyone backstage. Of course. Slapping the producer is left and right.

But most of the time she hit it well. Yes, especially like under the guys. Look at me and these children. But it got really bad when there were episodes when she was being mad. Sometimes she forgot like that her nastiness was exclusively for behind the scenes. Her mask was slipping. Yeah. And Mason Ramsey.

She like couldn't help but hide her like extreme distaste of him. Yeah, like he was, she just thought he was like dumb and like ugly. Like she really like did not do a good job of a job of hiding it. Yeah, but maybe that's why like he is where he is. Well, hopefully Ezra had a good experience on the show. Yeah. I didn't watch the whole clip. No, but he was like a cute date.

And he had like, seriously, if you're going to be rude to a paraplegic child, like go to hell. To jail. Like seriously, go to jail. Yeah. That should be like an official misdemeanor. A crime. Crime. What's, what's bigger than a misdemeanor?

Uh. You plead something down to a felony. It should be a felony. It should be felonious. Follonious, Florida. That's us now. Yes. Phelodias have turned.

Because now, like, if we were starting our podcast now, we were naming it and we're like just today, like being felonious in Florida. When Jackie and I launched, re-launched our show in the morning toast, we were so excited. There was so much hype. We were climbing the charts. We were number two for like days. We could not beat this other show. It was called Fallonious Florida.

And it became like sort of like our smartless. now. What happened to that show? It was like a one season wonder and this always happens with new podcasts and this was a big one because it was just like a mini series. But whenever a new podcast launch like especially if it is with the network or whatever like it will automatically like go to number one because that's like how trending works and we just like couldn't crack the show that because of those felons in Florida. That has done nothing since. And made no impact at the time. Nothing like we've made. Oh my God. Fucking felonious Florida. So we never got to be number one. And that's like why we do have this ship on our shoulders if you guys are ever trying to understand like where we're coming from.

But I think it's so important that we've never been number one and that we never are. It keeps us hungry. Like I've said, like I would always rather be like number two through 12. Like I think that's where you have peace. And I think like to get to the place where you are number one, it requires great sacrifice. Like kind of like not willing to do. No, no, no. And at the cost of your personal life.

Yeah. So I think it's great. We'll stay seated at number two. When we were talking about tennis players, like when we were talking about Taylor and Tommy. Right, right, right. Like Taylor's higher ranked, but I wouldn't want that. No. Number 10 is good enough for me.

It's beautiful. It's grand deals. Number 10 in the world, fine. I'll take it. I'll take it. So that's how I feel about the charts, truly, truly. Well, what are the stories? Sure, sure.

What are the stories like today, number two? The stories are a mixed bag. In a positive sense? Yeah, I think so. I wouldn't use the D word. That I would not call them. truck. Not at all. I would call them like a mixed bag of fun. Okay, Alexis Rose. That was so Alexis Rose. A mixed bag of fun. I let's do it. You want to get into it? Yeah. Without further.

I'm battling some flu-like symptoms in case you guys can't tell. Oh yeah. That's good. I hate to complain about it. It's good to let everyone know in case they're feeling some sort of way from you. Oh, am I cutting off like negative or anything? I think you're hiding it well. I'm battling flu like symptoms. They know you better than you know yourself. It's true. I'm really not well. I hate not like the thing is I have an amazing, amazing job and I just need to do like the one thing every day. I hate to call and sick. Ben was like, I'll do it, I'll do it. And there you will. And like he could. I'm sure he would love to. Like come over here and promote the good guys. But like I hate to miss. Yeah. So I will just have to bring my negative

energy to the show. But just letting you guys know if you're reading like into anything, I'm really not feeling good. Do you probably hear like I'm a little hoarse. And being pregnant and sick is dreadful because right now all I really need is to Advil. Like it would I've got a headache. I've got a backache and I've got a sore throat. Like an Advil would seriously like I imagine would do for me like what heroin does. for other people. Like, I just, and I can't take it. And so I'm getting desperate.

Ben's doing pressure points on my thumb for a sore throat. God, your back alley cataropractor. So Ben is really into like Eastern medicine. And most of the time I roll my eyes at it, of course. But when I'm pregnant, like, I kind of have no other option. Like, sure. You have to look eastward. Break my thumb this morning because apparently it is a pressure point for a sore dry throat.

It didn't help, but I'm open to these types of things now. Have you seen this cure? Well, it was probably like six weeks out. But have you seen like the garlic and honey thing? Are you on that side of the talk? I think them hoppers does it. What do you do? So it's like you make a jar like peel, I don't know, fill up a mason jar with peeled garlic.

Pour in honey. You like turn it over and let it ferment for six weeks. Okay. So I don't have six weeks. Right. You don't have six weeks. And then it's like a natural remedy. Eat the garlic?

I don't think you eat that. You drink like the honey. You pour it in a cup. Like you pour it. Yucky. I'm going to make it for you. I'll see you in six. See the thing so much. You know what? I've seen it so many times now.

And what if you're not sick in six weeks? Like it could last longer? No, it's like, oh yeah, it lasts longer. It will be ready in minimum six weeks. But you do it at the start of like flu season or like they did it in September or any time. And you just always have it on hand if you're like a prepared person. I didn't proactively make my jarred garlic. Sorry.

It's okay. I'll make it for you. I'm working on a loaf for you as well. Yes, yes. I have a lot of things I need from you. Jackie will also be doing the ads today. So make sure to pay attention because I don't have the energy to do them. do the ads day and I'm going to have a feast with them.

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off if you want to try out momentous signature spec creatine. Our first story, major news to wake up to, Ken Urker, who is Gypsy Rose Blanchard's partner and the father of her daughter. Like ex-partner. I would say like baby daddy. Who knows? With these two, yes. Has passed away on his 34th birthday.

So Gypsy Rose's partner, Ken Urker, has died. He was 34. He was found unresponsive today. His birthday, no yesterday, sorry, October 1st, his birthday, he was discovered by a family member inside of Louisiana home, a source close to the family, confirmed to people. TMZ was the first to report his death. The local sheriff's office confirmed to People magazine that officers were called to a residence in Raceland at around 6.15 p.m. And he was found dead upon arrival. So Gypsy reportedly sent him a happy birthday text and did not receive a response per TMZ. He was later found by Gypsy's brother, Dylan, and his wife, when they arrived at the home.

So, Streets are saying that Gypsy sold the story to TMZ, which kind of given the details, does track. Obviously, people are freaking out about this because, like, what are the odds that, like, two times now, like, someone near and dear to you dies? And the first time you sort of are a suspect and you do end up going to jail. She's an accomplice, right? Do you ever deny that? No, no. And I think, like, a lot of people felt that it was really justified. So, like, we don't really care why you did it.

But now it's like, well, is this a pattern or coincidence? Because, I don't know, the odds of it happening twice are just really crazy. Yeah, it reminds me of this book you read for Redheads Mad Mabel. We're just like people around her. Keep dying. And her op. Was she innocent? Actually, don't spoil it.

And her, it's Sally Hepworth. You should read it. Oh, okay. I do want to say, I think Gypsy is innocent. I do. Well. Because I don't know if you guys know this. I have actually met and chatted quite deeply.

with Gypsy Rose. And I didn't not get murderous vibes from her. I really didn't. And I think she really loved being free. Mm-hmm. She doesn't want to go back there. Correct. From one cheeky.

Like a lot of times, if you shawshank redemption, like a lot of times people get out of prison, they don't know how to act and they actually end up back in prison just because it's like a comfort. Well, not a comfort, but like it's what they know. And I think Gypsy, she came out and was famous and rich. Like I don't think she wants any part in returning to prison. So I can't imagine she would do this.

I really can't. But I will say, I agree with people. the odds of it happening twice are slim. Yeah. The sodagist is always crazy, right? Because, like, her boyfriend killed her mother. She went to jail where she got in touch with Ken Urker. Is that how they met?

Yeah, they met. She had a different boyfriend. Yes, yes, yes. She had a husband, actually. So that's who I met, Ryan. So the couple, Ken and Gypsy first connected when Gypsy was still in prison for the murder of her mother. Ken proposed to her in October 2018, and then the couple briefly called off their engagement

before reuniting in August 2019. they later went their separate ways again for multiple years during the time Gypsy married and split from her strange husband, Ryan Anderson. Yes, Ryan, of course. They reconciled in April 2024 and Ken recalled for like how they found their way back to each other. Like I want Gypsy to know there are other men like outside of the two that you met in prison. Well, I feel like it's not like a lack of man problem. No, and that's what's inspiring about Gypsy Rose in general is that like you can be this sort of like felon.

unique. Volonious Gypsy. This unique individual. I have not one but two boyfriends. Like husbands. That's what I feel like when we say to your toaster, it's like it's hard to get a boyfriend. Like it is, but looks at Gypsy Rose. Yeah. And you know what? Not to keep bringing it up, but when I did interview Gypsy Rose, I asked her. I did ask her because I didn't want to say it like this. I'm like, how do you keep any boyfriends? And she said, you just have to be a queen and your king will come. And I thought that was like really amazing advice. That's really beautiful.

Some girls just have it, you know? She definitely had it. And some girls, like, there's all different versions of it. Like, you know, cool girl or whatever. There's a girl that always has a boyfriend. Yeah, there are some girls that just, like, give off great energy to guys. Yeah. I don't know if that's gypsy's thing because both times she met her man.

And think of the obstacles that she has to overcome. Like, of course, like, maybe at first you would think, like, oh, no, I'm not going to go there. She's in prison. At first, of course. But then, like, her dazzling. Smile breaks through, yeah. And like maybe she's just a great girlfriend. Maybe she's just a great girl.

Maybe. Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe not. Yeah, I, I'm not like obsessed with Gypsy Rose the way like culture is obsessed with her. You're even more obsessed than I am. Like I'm really out on this, but I can't lie when I saw this headline this morning. I was like, whoa.

Yeah, just because like the odds of it happening twice are. Yes. Crazy. They are saying that he died of an apparent overdose. However, this was yesterday, so it seems like more information will come out. Like, it's all coming out very quickly. Right, because people are saying Gypsy, like, sold the story to TMZ. And, like, how would, you would need to know if, like, an autopsy if somebody did a drug over it.

You know what I mean? You could, like, maybe if they walked in and they saw, it was like needles all over the graph. They saw, like, paraphernalia and they came to that conclusion. But nothing has been, like, officially concluded. No, not at all. So. My water bottle is frozen, and it's reminding me, like, when we were kids, when you would take a water bottle and put it in the freezer. Peak living.

Peak living. And on a hot summer night and it would like slowly melt and have this like big chunk of ice. Those are the days. Good time. Do you want?

Like it's seriously This is an elite way to drink water. I still haven't even finished my electrolys this morning I'm all out of whack. This is an elite way to drink water.

I'm a good. I have a lot. Are you sure? I have a lot and I have my own elite water. No, yours is not frozen. Obviously the producer here prefers me.

Thank you. I prefer room temperature. Yeah. So it's bad. It's better for you. Is it? I think, don't quote,

me on that. Ben just says it's easier to down. That too. Yeah. That's like I like my electrolytes room temperatures I can chug them. Correct. I agree with that. I agree with that too. But I like my so somehow I can like chug a soda. I don't like warm soda. How's Ben feeling this morning after his big sushi extravaganza at Costco? I said Ben went to Costco yesterday and you know we don't really have a lot of experience like with Costco. We've obviously been to Costco. You're sort of discovering Cox. Yeah. And so like if I've ever been to Costco, it really was not in a meaningful. way. I understand. That was my experience before the Patreon. Yeah. You guys all saw my first trip to Costco.

And so Ben went, I forget what he even went for, but like he picked up lunch, obviously. And he, um, picked up sushi. I think a lot of people would be like, ah, sushi. But one thing about my husband is he stares fear right in the eye. And he does not care. He fears not. He literally fears not. And his video, he's so excited because he tried Costco sushi and it's like going viral on TikTok. And he said it was delicious. Like he had a couple of notes for like the flavor profiles, but the fish, he said was extremely high quality. I, I watched that real, like, how scripted my eat. Yeah, of course.

I was scared. Of course. I was afraid. But I follow this mother-daughter duo who's always like trying the different foods at Costco. Never sushi because they're not crazy. But like the pre-prepared foods at Costco, like are some of the most high-quality foods on earth. Like, I don't know why everyone was so worried. Because Ben was, he was going to be okay.

And one thing about Ben, he's got an iron stomach. So no negative contraindication. No, he's felt pretty good all night as far as I know. I did fall asleep literally at like 7.30. But when he woke up this morning, he didn't have any, you know, big news to tell me. Okay, that's good. And everything looked good.

So it's got the one seal of approval. Yes. I think he would actually go back. He should. Yeah. Like it looks like Nobu. Lunch, literally. Nobody's disgusting.

It's true compared to Costco. So just to round up this first story. This is very sad. Of course. Oh, and then there was like also a TikTok live element. The sister went on TikTok live this morning, kind of confirming the death. Um, apparently his Ken's sister, Autumn went on TikTok Live in the night he died, confirming his death and revealing that his last words to her were, I love you.

This whole situation is very smelly. It reeks like the Costco sushi. But at the end of the day, like a man is dead and that's very bad. And he's a child. But everything else around it is, is very fishy. Um, going on TikTok live immediately is not like amazing. The streets are also saying Ken's TikTok went live for a lot. a few minutes last night.

People are also wondering, like, why she just texted him happy birthday. Like, isn't that her man's? No. So on the TikTok Live, the sister did say that he and Gypsy it were not together. But they share a child together. Yes. It's a tangle web she weaves. It's a tangled web she weaves.

So rest in peace, Ken. Rest in peace. Um, and that's kind of all there is to say. That's all there is to say. Rip Ken. At the moment. moment at the moment. Are you ready for our next story?

Alex Earle was spotted out. I need everyone to chill. Zach Bia. Isn't he a professional friend? Okay, I need everyone to chill because he's not a professional friend. Like he's dated Madison Beer, those iconic paparazzi photos of them yelling at each other. He has definitely like dated lots of, I think he dated Olivia Rodriguez, high profile women. He's like a nepo baby, like DJ.

He's like literally just sort of this like faceless, nameless person who's always around. But I need everyone to like use context clues. because if you've ever seen that episode of Sex and the City where Charlotte goes to the theater with her friend who she believes to be gay and then as they're getting the cab, he kisses her. And she was like, I was wearing my glasses. Alexo was wearing her glasses and like gray leggings.

I'm sorry, this was not a date. This was not. And also her publicist was there. Kate Bailey was there. Like I like how they conveniently left her out of the picture. Sorry, these two are not dating. No, like he's a friend person. He's just like an actual groupie.

Like he's like, he's a friend for hire in L.A. Yes. Yes. So it would be like if you were out with Jake Shane and they were like. 1,000%. Alex Earle's new man. 1,000%. This is so not a thing.

Except at first. But he is a straight man. Right, right. Of course we would know Jake Shane wasn't because Jake Shane is gay. But like, no, when I saw this, for one second, I was like, no. And then I was like, oh, wait, no, this is not happening. Because at first I was like hell of disappointed. I'm sorry.

Like, no. It's just, it's not the vibe. But then using context clues, the gray, not even leggings, like yoga pants, the glasses. And then the third person. this is not a date. Yeah, no, it's just like catching up with friends. Is he friends with Stoss? Yes, he's friends with everyone.

So, and that's her friend. Oh, yeah, right. It was just like giving, like, when I saw the two of them, I just thought Stoss. Yeah, maybe Stoss, like, had to leave early or something. Or, like, Stoss set them up as friends because, like, they're all looking for friends. Right, and she is spending more time in L.A.

She has, like, an apartment there now. And she's in her friendship era. Did you watch her episode with Jake Chain? Alex Earl and Ashton. On the Puss? Yeah. I did not. I watched, like, so many clips.

They talked a lot about making new friends. Okay. It was funny because Alex is in her, like, making new friends. Aaron, and we're talking about her friendship with Stas and how it's, like, been so good for her. And she's not always, like, been like this. But I think this is just about friendship. Yeah, and I think that a lot of us go through eras

we're like, we're kind of in our friend-making moments. You're definitely in a friend-making moment. I think a lot of times when you have kids, like you start seeking out mom friends. And so when you move to me. When you move, yeah. So I love this. Like, make friends. friends.

Yeah, people are trying to make it about like Madison Beer and Justin Herbert and Tom Brady. This whole New York Post article, they're just like looking for an angle. The first five paragraphs don't even mention Alex Harrell's name. It's just about how like Justin Herbert is like, this links him to Tom Brady. Madison Beer is like engaged. She leveled up so hard. So they did it for a long time. And if you've ever seen the paparazzi pictures of them fighting, like it's seriously,

it's giving like Wimbledon with Bradley Cooper and Arena. I love that. I love that. Yeah. And I feel like she was so. so upset after the breakup. And it's like, you never even know what's waiting for you're around the corner.

Like, the glow up of the century. Like, he's the quarterback, right? For the Rams? Uh-huh. He is so handsome. He's like the darling of L.A. And like, why, or Chargers, whatever it is. And why?

Seriously? Oh, and now they're engaged by the day. She's the biggest ring of all time. And she's like at an elite level with like Haley Stimfeld and Taylor Swift. Like, seriously, why would she give a fuck about her old unemployed ex-boyfriend? No, she's not looking back.

No. He's not unemployed. He's an American DJ. and he is also a record executive. Like I said. Are you ready for our next story? Ashley Tisbeil's husband, Christopher. You know what?

I can't stand these two. I really can't. Breaking his silence on the toxic mom group drama. Thank God. We were waiting with Bated Breath for Christopher French. Who is Christopher French? I don't know, but she has a hair care brand called Frisch. Frenchet, and because that's her married name.

It's a good name. It's a nice name. name Christopher French. It's getting American DJ and record executive. It is. Like a Matthew Coma type. He's a musician, composer, and producer. Matthew Coma. Yeah, best known as the founder of the rock band Annie Automatic. Oh, you're kidding. No, I'm not yet. I don't know them. And Matthew Coma, like, is like the producer for Z. No, Matthew Coma is actually like incredibly successful. But I imagine that this is part of the reason why Hillary and Haley, nope, Hillary and Ashley at first got along, like music exact husbands, former Disney Channel stars.

I mean, he's finally speaking out. Thank God. I was like really waiting. So he hosts a podcast called recovering. Okay. I assume that's about like recovery from alcohol and stuff. Yeah. And that has nothing to do with what he said this week.

That's good. But just know that he has a podcast. Cool. He said we're doing fine. She's a super smart, capable person. And she knows what she's doing. And that's part of what I love about her. You know, he said,

I will say I have no problem supporting my wife completely in her ability to deal with her own interpersonal relationships in whatever way she feels is right for her without getting involved or feeling like I have to speak for her. She's a really smart chick. She's a very capable person, which is really what made it so hard. We are very private, but in speaking to something that really matters to her. I'm sorry, like when you are really private, you can't like claim your privacy after you wrote the blog post. Yeah. First of all. Second of all, I totally forgot that I I totally forgot that I sprayed like so much dry shampoo in my hair this morning. Is my hair gray? I guess there's like a little one like, Mr. Sheffield? Like, no, not at all.

Okay, okay. Let's see it. It's at like the top. Okay. And then two. This is obviously a dig at Team Duff Coma because like he got involved. Right. Oh, I forgot that Matthew Coma did like start making content.

But the thing is it's over now. So like you just coming in a year later because we were actually sitting in this studio. Yeah. So it's been almost a year. And to like let us know that you're not saying anything and that you didn't say something. Yeah. Release a whole podcast telling us that you're not talking. I don't know if it was on the podcast.

Whatever. to release a whole statement just to say that you're not saying. I'm all set. That is a waste of my time. And now I'm just re-reminded of the fact that like she did this thing. She played the victim. And then she sold a TV show. Yeah.

And they're making a TV show about it. Which is crazy because like in that time Hillary Duff has like completely revamped her career. She's releasing new music. I just saw a video. Her tour was so unbelievably successful. And it's like the more we like move into this. Like Ashley Tisdell just continues to look like a bigger loser. To take the L exactly.

Even if the show comes out to be like the next hunting wives or whatever. It's like the origin story is dark. I know. But like I know where we landed on the situation. Like where did the culture land? With us because it was kind of like a bait and switch. At first we were like, oh my God, look at all these girls being mean to Ashley Tisdale. And then it was like, well, wait.

Like people started to learn more about the different members of the group and like how things went down and some of like the background. And then it kind of like flipped on her. And I think she acknowledged that too. And that's a little bit of what he's saying. I think she thought she was taking her power back by selling it. to me it makes her like a bigger loser. Well, at least she can be a paid loser. That's true.

A moneyed one. Because you can only be such a big loser like when you have money. And the thing is like this will be a great show. Conceptually. Like I don't like the origin but like yeah, toxic mom friend group. Some of them are famous, rich. You know like the music class drama. How is it going down at?

There's so much music class drama to the ones that I go to because I cannot sit on the floor. Like that's the drama. Oh, where you struggling? Just I'm at a place in my life and like my journey where I can't do floor time. Yeah, I didn't really like notice it yesterday. Well, that's good. Like my back was breaking it. And also with my flu like symptoms, like, yeah. You know? I was saying I didn't even realize I was sitting on the floor, which is good. That is good. Now I'm going to be aware. Yeah. And like with coxidinia pregnancy, there's just like a lot of things that limit me.

You need like a little, a little chair. Imagine I bring my own chair. Do it. Well, I'm going to have a music class and I'll give you a chair. Great. Yeah. So yes, I'm, I'm very much the target audience. Did my care get lower? You do look really low. Oh my God, do you need help? Let me just bring it back up. I'm cracking up. By the way, not you sitting on the floor while talking about sitting on the floor.

I didn't even notice I'm sitting on the floor. Do you think it's like slowly? Have you been like that the whole time or do you think you slowly started to? I think it was slow. And it wasn't one big drop. No, no, no, no. We would have seen that. And then by the end, I'm like.

Why am I in the floor? That's funny. So, yeah. we've heard from Mr. French. And I was definitely waiting for this, so I'll sleep really well tonight. Yeah. Are you ready for our fourth story?

It's actually sort of related to something that we spoke about previously, which was Ben's John to Costco. Because Guillermo Rodriguez's salsa brand launches nationwide after selling over one million tubs. Wow. Oh, so I guess like they've had a huge boost in sales since Dancing with the Stars. Yeah, but they haven't even mentioned it. I guess he did bring, did he bring some of, Whitney, some of his salsa?

Maybe. I just thought maybe it was like from home. They're doing a good job because I've just sort of seen for myself on social media now being like a Guillermo fan that he has a line of salsa. I'm like, oh, that's so smart. And then Ben sent me a picture yesterday that he saw it at Costco. And I don't think he bought it. And now I'm like remembering him saying as we were eating dinner, like I wish I bought that salsa. I could have used some too.

I haven't heard much, but I imagine it's delicious. Yeah, because I was having tacos last night, actually. And I realized like one clean swap that I haven't made because I like the toxic version is tocitos salsa. And chips. I'll do sate chips. I won't. I will not. I'm fine with satea, but like, I have yet to, and people like to say, like, oh, get the

ready-made salsa for, you know, there are cold salsas. Like Pigo de Gallo. Yeah, but, like, those go bad quicker. That Tocito salsa never goes bad. You guys, the Tostito salsa. But I always know I have one in my house. We can't be perfect, obviously. And, like, you don't have to swap everything in your life.

And I think that if there's something, like, you can't quit, like, your joy, we're not taking account into the joy that the Tostito Salsa brings you. Tostito Salsa, I imagine it's, like, full of preservatives this because, because, because, Yeah, like it could survive. It could survive a nuclear war. But it is so fucking delicious. And you know what? Like, that's okay.

And I don't want to buy fresh salsa like every time it's going to be taco night. Because I only use a little bit. Like the what the, my. The shelf life is so convenient. My habitual use of it is perfect for my lifestyle. Don't beat yourself up. But I was just thinking that yesterday, like I do need to find a clean, like a better salsa. The thing is I think that like clean salsas are more so pico de gallo.

And like, I'm sorry, those two are not the same thing. No. And it's more so it's like buying herbs. like they're going to go bad so fast and I'm not going to use before you have a chance yeah um so I could check out Guillermo if it's shelf stable it wasn't in the refrigerator section now that I'm thinking about the photo that Ben sent me let me see hold on it oh he did okay round box yeah yeah um so that's good to know I I sort of like need primal kitchen to make a salsa that's maybe when things will change for me I'm pretty happy with where I'm at with my to tostitos and salsa I don't want to get

better like I had actually for like a snack yesterday toastitos and salsa and like it's It was just an amazing way to live your life. Like it was just good old fashioned fun. It's like salty and it's just they do it well. And I don't want to look at the ingredients. Like I can't be perfect. No, it's true. I just like I made such a healthy dinner last night and I was like,

this is not. Congress with the rest of your ingredients. This is not a standard. You'll be okay and you look great. And how do you feel? You're fine. You're fine. I fine.

You're fine. You're fine. It's like something that I'm like, oh, I'm still using tootita sauce. If people knew that about me, it's not like on brand. It's on my street. A thousand percent. In the clean community. Well, Guillermo's launching nationwide.

I think that's wonderful. This is just another example of how the show really has such a positive impact on local communities. And I love it. And you know what? When Ben goes back to get more sushi, I will tell him to pick it up. Yeah. It'll be in Kroger. And I don't know why he didn't.

Like, Ben is not one. It's not like a big commitment. Not only that. Like me, I'm like, I'm sweeper. I'm cardboard. I'm like, forget it. Ben is more is more. No, and it's like you're allowed to buy a jar of salsa.

Are you though? No, no, you're not in my house. You're allowed to. No, not if it's not Tostitos. But I could see Tostitos making an acquisition. And I just want to say the salsa being named to Guillermo is like a great name for a salsa company. Yeah. No, it's very, um, synergetic.

Mm-hmm. Okay, we'll have to do a Patreon, Costco test taste, taste test. It looks good. It looks good. Well, congrats. Seriously. Yeah. I didn't know that was happening.

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That's better help.com slash toast. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? I am. Kelly Clarkson is talking about AI music. Oh, is she not talking about? Two days in a row we brought up the story. she never wants us to talk about. Okay, sorry.

Kelly Clarkson loves AI. Does she? But says AI artists shouldn't be competing with humans on music charts. Are there real AI artists already? Like, no, except for I'm so glad my Travi made it to the big game. Like, I haven't heard an AI song. And first time in San Juan, me, ho. Capital of Puerto Rico.

Yeah, I don't know if there's like bands who are like making ways in the industry, but I guess that is like the future. Yeah, so she was on LaSculch. Right. And she explained that while she loves AI technology. And spanking her children. She doesn't feel AI artists should be competing on music charts with humans. She said, here's the thing.

I love AI. There are very amazing things with AI and I'm obsessed with. But also, and I'm very into it, artistically too. I have fun with it just like everybody else. Oh. Are people in the music industry like using AI? I feel like they're all always like making their statements about how it's bad for the, like, water. She said, but when you see AI artists competing on a chart with humans,

I have an issue. I think there should be a separate chart. Okay, but what about human artists who are using AI like you just said? Not only that. And again, like, are there AI artists yet? Is this a problem? But also like, and I'm going to actually disagree with Queen Kelly on this. The truck drivers aren't having to like be on separate trucks with robot driving cars. Correct. And like, I don't know, the thing about music is sort of like the best song wins. So putting separate categories and charts, I don't know, I just feel like it's not a meritocracy. I agree. And I think at the end of the day, AI music can really only be so good because, like, music and art is one of those things that needs a human touch.

Right. So, like, I actually don't think that they pose a real threat. AI artists pose a real threat to human artists. I agree. Because, like, music is all about that. We were saying, like, Instacart, human connection. It is. And, like, what the person has been through?

Right. Can I relate, like, an AI, what has AI been through? Nothing. Nothing. Except for, like, disrespectful people. Like, not saying, please and thank you. I think I'm the most respectful user of AI. I'm not.

And I feel like that's what keeps me from becoming one of those people who has like an AI best friend or like an AI boyfriend. It's like because I don't talk to them like I talk to humans. Like there's no delineation. I know you're a machine.

But when the war comes, you're going down first. That's fine, honestly. Like I really don't think that I would do well in any war. Like I don't like food rations and I'm certainly not like getting into combat. So fine.

Take me down. They're going to take you. And I think mine will spare me. Like I feel that for my own help. I think it's actually very. very easy to quickly become one of those people who's like talking to chat about like therapy stuff and like issues they're having in their personal life. I actually don't use chat for that at all. And I feel like the fact that I don't say I was seriously asking you like, hey, can you please measure this for me? I would say it so differently. The fact that I don't helps me delineate between what is real and what is AI. And I think like people who are so polite like the same way you would talk to a server you would talk to your chat. No, sorry. Chat's not real. Chat's not a person. You don't have to just give manners to chat. I just, it's in my nature. to have manners. And I'm proud to say that I don't talk to chat about like personal, emotional stuff.

And I think that like when one does. But I'm like, you know, more sound of mind than most. Right. I think when you get to a place where like you're actually like talking about your feelings and stuff, like I actually think that's bad. I know like therapy can be like inaccessible and perhaps unaffordable. But like I would definitely encourage you to talk to a human being. No, I, not no period.

No comma. I've heard of people like using chat as their therapist famously correct. Conover. And I didn't necessarily hate it. And now I'm curious if I, like, put into chat, like, a conflict that I'm having, like some conflict revolution, like resolution. I wonder what their advice would, like, I'm kind of. Yeah, but you're coming at it, like, completely unemotionally.

Whereas, like, everything you talk about in therapy is, like, so emotional. You're just, like, looking for a conflict resolution. Yeah. Whereas, like, people in therapy are like, but my feelings. I know, but maybe I can't see it clearly because I'm too close to it. Maybe. But I just think, like, certain things, like music are better with a human. Yeah, but, like, I.

When it comes to math and robotics, like, yeah, if I'm a mathematician, I'm quaking. AI is making me quake. Yeah. If I'm an artist, a musician, a therapist, I'm okay. I'm not losing sleep over AI. If anything, I think AI can help me make, like Kelly said, make my job, make me do better. But no, I don't think they're taking my jobs. But like, if I work in an assembly line at a factory, I'm going to night school, you know?

I'm figuring out an alternate plan. Yeah. But which industry, I mean, I guess coal mining is sort of AI proof. Which, okay, if you're an athlete, I feel like that's also like A-I-proof. Kelly makes an interesting point. She said it's basically like having Olympics and then you're having robots compete with humans. Well, who's going to throw it further? Oh, I wonder.

Okay. Actually, you know, when she was talking about two separate charts, I was also thinking about two separate Olympics, but I was thinking about Paralympics. Like, why can't Paralympians perform, excuse me, not perform, compete in the regular Olympics? Because is it considered an advantage to have like a metal leg? No, but I would have to like look at the style. but are they just not like would they qualify right and it's like then it's like then they don't even get a chance right fine okay fair fair but that's not what a i is because ai has like all the

capabilities right so like yeah they could start putting like AI robots like on the field and like that's not interesting no it's not because you'd like to learn about the athletes like what have they been through who are they dating um and like we said AI really hasn't been through a lot and like you want to see mistakes that sort of makes the game like the game that we watched on Sunday night ravens versus cowboys right and then there's like a comeback and a setback AI could ever AI can never. You know, I do think there are industries that are A-A-proof.

We've said many times being daily pop culture podcasters is sort of an AI-proof job. But we use AI here sometimes to like, you know. Yeah, ask questions. Yeah, it helps us with our show, like our fact. Sometimes we make images for our social media. We one time did that episode where we had chat,

create a episode of the toast for us and we like followed its outline. Did we like it? No, which is good. We tested the theory that could AI take job and we were able to come to the conclusion, no, because we did the experiment. Yeah. Yeah. So we're safe. Yeah. But again, if you work an accountant or, I don't say like a lawyer. Legally. I think that I think that AI won't erase like legalese completely because. Like the courtroom.

Correct. But I do think I actually think it'll streamline so much of being a lawyer. I think like kind of the days of being a paralegal are out. Which is unfortunate because I think a lot of great lawyers start as paralegals. Yeah. Like an internship. Yeah. Also, I don't want to see more charts. I don't want to see more award shows. Like, just keep it to one, you know? The Grammy's AI version. I completely agree.

Even though my favorite song of all time was written by AI. What does that say about me? Taylor. I'm so glad my Travis made it to the big game. One step closer to Kelsey B and my last name. But if you play like you ain't worthy, you can call me Mrs. Taylor Purdy. Chills. Chills.

Rock party. That was when they were playing the 49ers in the Chills. Chills. So, but the Kelly's interview was like making lots of waves.

Yeah. She like loves last cult. This is her second time on. She does. She was also talking about... It's also an Iheart radio podcast so I feel like a lot of music people like to go on it because it like benefits their relationship with IHRRA radio.

Oh very interesting. She was talking about not dating. She was talking about Dali Parton. Yeah. What she's saying about? Oh, no. I was getting her confused with Breba. She's a, she's related to Riba.

Yes. The marriage. and then no longer be divorced. I wonder what her thing was, that stick that they do, like, at the end. Oh, I don't think so, honey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Should we look it up? Yeah.

I like that schick. I like when people have, like, I like, I like to see, like, what people are going to say. It's an opportunity to, like, show me how unfunny you are. Yeah. Or how, like, truly funny are. A lot of times I'm, like, truly, like, shocked by the badness of it. Yeah. That's critical information.

Let's see what Kelly Clarkson said. I think everyone has to do it. Yeah, that's, like, part of their show. Like Clarkson's, I don't think so. Oh, this is her old one. Oh, hers was like about rehearsals in the middle of the day, right? Because mine is real. This is from her last time.

I don't think so, honey. Did anybody see social dilemma? Why are we all hooked to our phone? Oh, my God. Look, I'm selling an old person, but it's just like, why are we that interested in someone's coffee? Okay. I actually don't like that at all. Did she have one for this one yet?

If she has it, hasn't been clipped. It was not going to lie when she went because I'm not. So I have to do something like that too. And she had said something about like schools doing their performances in the middle of the day. Like we have jobs. Oh, that's a good one. Which is good for like not going to do. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, I don't think she did one. Well, she probably did, but they haven't clipped it yet, right? Oh, wait. Her I don't think so, honey was about AI. That's the article you just wrote was her I don't think so honey. Oh, so this is when she was. I just want to say Kelly was also looking really good on the podcast.

She wore a cap sleeve, which is like kind of a crazy thing to do. And she looked really good. So she's obsessed with technology. However, she said, don't get too excited about having, because she draws a line when it comes to AI encroaching on actual human singers. Okay, that was so. I don't think so, honey. She said she loves AI, but I don't think it deserves a place on the regular Billboard charts.

Okay, that's also a bad one. But is AI on the Billboard charts? I don't know. Like, I love when people, like, make something in their personality of a problem that doesn't exist. Oh, my God. That happens all the time. It does. It does.

And it's, like, a good way to, like, get, there's AI. What song is AI? It's a good way to get attention for yourself. Should we release an AI generated song? Then, like, who owns it? Like, the money generated, like... Yeah. You know?

I mean, I think all these laws are still being rich. Yeah, right, right, right. The rest is still unwritten. Okay, let's do our final segment of the week, which is Queenie and Weenie of the Week. And, you know, every Friday, Jackie and I like to wrap up the week. Giving out an award, Queenie of the Week and Weenie of the Week. It's pretty self-explanatory.

If you act like a weenie this week, you will be the weenie. It's sort of an unavoidable thing. But don't be worried because you could also be Queenie the next week. It's a seven-day title. And actually this week, I've decided sort of we're not doing weenie because it doesn't feel in line in the spirit of who our Queenie is. So I've actually found out this morning that Brooke Ebby, who if you, you might have followed her on social media or you found her on the toast, like, what was it?

Like four years ago, I kept getting tagged in this TikTok and it was being, it was a video from this girl named Brooke who had just been diagnosed with ALS. And she basically was like, here is my bucket list. And one of the things on her bucket list that she wanted to do before she passed was coming on the toast. So Jackie and I were like, all right, so come. Like, no problem. We had her on the toast. She ended up, like, after that, kind of having, like, a hugely successful career.

It was, like, an ALS advocate. She was, like, on the Today Show. She just really, like, never stopped. And I follow her. And in the last year, you can see, like, her condition really deteriorating. And so she, you know, was confined to a chair and then to the bed. And she was wearing a breathing tube. And then I found out this morning that she passed, which is so sad.

and just really upsetting because I remember when she came on the show, just I remember thinking like how unfair it was. She was like our age and her whole life like just changed in a minute. Like she found out this thing and she knew she was going to die. And she had such an amazing attitude.

Like she was like, I remember asking her and I felt bad. I was like, I don't know if I should ask, but I was like, aren't you scared? Like when you think about the future, like what do you think of? And she was like, I don't really think about it. Like she just had a really great attitude. And I remember like...

She was so funny. She was so funny. And she never like lost that. Even when you see her social media posts, they're like kind of crass. And you're like, oh, my God. She never lost her sense of humor. And it's just a really big, like, loss for everyone.

And I think, like, we could learn a lot from her, which is why I will not be doing weenie this week. That's beautiful. In the spirit, even though I just know she would have loved it. And she probably would have wanted me to make Derek Huff my, but I won't. I want. So I just wanted to, like, let everyone know. I don't know.

I just, I think it maybe happened yesterday, and I saw it on Instagram this morning that she did pass. And she will be missed, and she was a queenie. And she's kind of our first ever posthumous queenie. She is a queenie. a queenie so rest in peace brooke we loved getting to know you you are an inspiration to really everyone and a queen a queenie yeah and with that thank you guys so much listening to the tos and lennie morning morning show where we deliver the fast five stories you need to know every monday through

friday on youtube so if you're watching us on youtube please for describing this video thumbs up also like in the spirit of brook like make a donation to an a ls that's like was her big thing like she really felt like a ls could be um cured if they had better funding like she kept saying that like she was like wishing a Kardashian would have had aLS just because of like the attention attention and the money it would have brought her, which was also a kind of a crazy thing to say. And I was like, oh, so make a donation. Thank you, so much. It's podcast.

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