The Toast - Flop Stars: Wednesday February 21st, 2024

Episode Date: February 21, 2024

Kelly Rowland's Rep Speaks Out on Singer's 'Today' Show Walk-Off After Hoda Kotb Offers to 'Share' Dressing Room (Page Six) (16:07)Tom Sandoval Apologizes After Comparing Scandoval to George Floyd's Murder, O.J Simpson Case (Page Six) (24:35)J.Lo's This Is Me...Now Suffering 'Career Low' Fans Say (The U.S Sun) (32:31)Normani Memes Erupt as Singer's Accused of Running Her Own Stan Account (SK Pop) (42:37)Vanessa williams To Star in Reimagined Devil Wears Prada Musical (57:52)Dear Toasters Advice Segment (1:00:57)The Toast with Jackie (@JackieOshry) and Claudia Oshry (@girlwithnojob) Lean InThe Camper and The Counselor by Jackie OshryMerchThe Toast PatreonGirl With No Job by Claudia OshrySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Good morning, Millennials, and welcome back to the Toast. Happy hump day! It is Wednest Day, bitch. And if that weren't exciting enough, you know, like we're, you know, on our way to the weekend, it's Wednesday, which means we have Deer Toasters. And Deer Toasters is always just like a fixture in society and in culture. However, in these recent weeks, it's become kind of like, I can't wait. Like, we're just, you know, hanging on till Wednesday.

And today is no different. We have an update. I just want to say something. I'm here too. I haven't wait. Like, we're just, you know, hanging on till Wednesday. And today is no different. We have an update. I just want to say something. I'm here too. I haven't spoken yet. You haven't? No. Wow, no wonder I was having so much fun.

Hey guys, we have an update. I'm excited. No, it's all I can think about. As much as I don't want to, like, not be appreciative of the short week, I did think today was Thursday. You know, it should be. Yesterday was an incredibly long day. Never ended.

I was in my jeans till 8 p.m. That felt like two days. A hundred percent. I was shocked that we only had one day of healthfulness under our belt. Well, that's what's really disappointing. As we spoke about on yesterday's show, Jackie and I yesterday both began like a journey of healthfulness just because we've been kind of like monstrosities in the last couple of weeks.

And we did good yesterday, but it was only one day one day one day one day out of time sweet jesus what is that the next lyric one one day out of ten no I don't know. It's giving sweet Jesus. I mean, you died for your sins. Yours too. Not mine, actually. Who do you think has more sins between us? Who? Me.

Yeah. Yeah. So why'd you ask a question? Like, you obviously knew the answer. Just like, are we on the same page about that? I don't know. I feel like we're relatively we're sin light like we we're not sinners in a sense are nobody's sin less are wow this show has really

become something else our cross to bear is that we can't stop talking shit well yeah that's true i also i mean what are we talking like if we're christian like i take the lord's name in vain but i'm not christian like I'm always like Jesus Christ. But I feel like in the hierarchy of sins, you know, like adultery is worse than shit talk. And like those cardinal sins, we don't commit them like lust, greed. So actually in Judaism, there are really three major sins like you have to die for. Like you should die before you commit them. They are adultery, idolatry murder and murder and I have never really been on the cusp of doing any

of those things like I feel good where I'm at like my lush and horror which is speak of evil like I gossip a lot like I just feel like when the time comes and I'm at the pearly gates like I know God's not gonna be like you gossip too much girl get out no. No, he's chuckling at what we're saying. No, and he's going to be like, what ended up happening? No, and it was like, it was true. Yeah, no, and I don't want to repeat myself because I've said this so many times,

but there is a difference between like talking shit and an exchange of information. And yes, do I sit around and say like, she's ugly sometimes, but most of the time it's like, did you hear that they got divorced? Like, I'm just sharing things. I would say out of the pie of us talking about things, like 5% to 10% is mean-spirited.

I agree. But the thing is, like, we're family. And like, that doesn't make us mean people. And I also think it's important to expel those mean thoughts because they will consume you. Yeah, and then you could act meanly in your life. And we don't act meanly no we are once again talking about ourselves in the third person we are generous we are kind we are gracious we are charitable like we are god-fearing women yeah we are so I feel like if I were to die

today like honestly like I feel like I thought I would be welcomed in to heaven like and anything that I would be brought to task for I can answer for I can back that shit up that's different that's different because if I were to like seriously be held accountable for all my sins in front of God and his peeps I would not be able to like justify every single bad thing I've ever done but then there are a few things that if he brought it up I'd be like I feel worse than you do about that like yeah like no trust me it's killing me more than it's hurting you oh my god I love that that's so true and it's killing me more than it's hurting you. Oh my God. I love that.

That's so true. And it's giving like victim energy. Should we have Maddie Pruitt on this podcast? Like this is what this conversation is giving. It is giving God fearing women. We are, by the way, when you think of God fearing women, you think like church and Christianity, but like you can be God fearing of like other gods and like we are God fearing. Yeah.

And I was watching Love is Blind last night and that couple that both- Kenny Kenny and Brittany are devoted to God. I saw it was just so beautiful. It was so cute. And I liked hearing about it. So I don't mind having this conversation because as a consumer, I enjoyed hearing about just like their thoughts on God. And I would love if some that's on God. If somebody in the comments could let me know who Brittany looks like, it's pissing me off. Like I can figure it out she looks like someone yeah she does i think she probably looks like a lot of people but who is it i don't know it didn't come to me sound off in the comments is that a big theme from the discussion about this season like who do people look like no not at all oh because of the mega fox thing yeah but also i feel like it

makes you think like if you were in a pod and someone asked you, like who's your celebrity doppelganger to get like a sense of what you look like. So the new episodes are out today. Oh yeah. They came out at three in the morning.

Why does Netflix do it at midnight Pacific time? Like, it's annoying. Probably so they have time to like work out the kinks if it doesn't upload properly. No, it's because Netflix is based in California.

Like they just do it on their own schedule. Rude. Rude. I'm in the middle of episode four. Things are getting good and I hope to be finished by the time that you guys watch tonight. Yeah. Because I'm going to take some time for myself today. I've been up for a while. So Jackie did see the Megan Fox moment. I saw the Megan Fox moment. And what were your thoughts on that? She's getting dragged for saying it because she like doesn't look like Megan Fox.

I don't mind that she said that she looks like megan fox she didn't say that she said i don't see it but i get told all the time okay but she was putting out there hey if you pick me you're going with megan fox right and i don't mind that that she like sees herself as megan fox even if she wants to be like no it's not me it's everyone else fine like yeah i'm giselle and that's the sort of confidence that you should have that's what i said on the shows yesterday but the timing that she said it she was kind of losing him she was being manipulated and it's a manipulative thing to say to be like hey maybe you're not sure about me but i look like megan fox because obviously that's the thing that's like in the

background of everyone's head it's like i feel this way about this person and i also like this person which one do i think is i'm gonna be more attracted to so when you hear it's Megan Fox it helps put a tick in your column 1000% it was at a point in the conversation where they like were almost veering into talking about Jess and he was like I want to change the subject and he got weird so she was like okay let me keep it fun but it was strategic it was strategic and she even though in that moment it was a win for her because she reeled him back in it will be an L for her if they choose each other which I don't know yet and she's not Megan Fox and even if you're celebrity doppelganger like if she even if she looked like Megan Fox you're setting yourself up I mean for disappointment

because unless you are Megan Fox like then you're gonna be like oh you're Megan Fox but you're not you got big ears like you know not saying she does I'm just she actually I haven't seen her ears I'm just saying I if you watch my comedy comparison is the thief of a joy if you watch my comedy special lean in on prime video which you can now watch in the United States and Canada on prime video you would know like there nothing good ever comes out of celebrity doppelganger conversations and this is just yet another example of that although I did want to say what I said on the podcast yesterday is like I feel very uh like I'm being very cautious about what I'm saying, because this whole saga, this the Megan Fox thing has become the only thing that people are talking about.

And it continues to be like a thread throughout the show. And I feel as though because of that and because it's like this hot button moment that everybody's talking about, it has ended in a referendum on her looks. And I feel like no person, especially like a girl, like is equipped to go through that. And I actually feel really bad for her. And she's been putting out like social media content, like laughing with everyone and like poking fun. And I actually think that's like a really good strategy, but it's gotta, it's gotta hurt. Yeah, no, that's, that's not right. But I do think in general, I know you're against celebrity doppelgangers, but like, if I was

talking to someone, I wanted to get a sense of what they looked like and they gave me like a a person and said like I don't look like this person but we have like similar we're of similar elk yeah that would be helpful to know what I'm going with and what's so funny is that Jackie and I both separately said that we thought Chelsea actually looked like Adele yeah is that what other people are saying no no no I haven't seen anyone say that but I thought it and then you said it I'm like yes I thought that as well so that would have been like a better yeah or she could be like I look like a combo

and then it's more mysterious oh what do you look like yeah so I cannot wait for the new episodes I forgot that that was today so I guess I know

what I'm doing yeah I guess the 5k training is just going to be put on the back burner oh we could do a little 5k today because the boys will want to watch too

yeah and we have to wait for them even though Ben is low key in New York today and he's coming back tonight adios so we'll have to wait for him see Even though Ben is low-key in New York today and he's coming back tonight. Adios. So we'll have to wait for him.

See ya, Bwange. See ya. We've got a great show. We've got stories that are... Solid as a rock. Solid as a rock. We've got to your toasters, our weekly advice segment,

where today we have an update on the girl who last week let us know. She had written in a few weeks ago saying that she had an inkling that her husband, like she wanted to know if she was being crazy because her husband and his family own a bunch of rental properties. And there was this one like young hot woman living in one of the rental properties. She was like being like annoying and taking advantage of her husband being like, oh, the roof is leaking. My toilet's running.

And she was like, am I being crazy? I just have a weird feeling. Turns out she was not being crazy. It wasn't just a weird feeling. She came home and found a condom wrapper in her husband's pants after he had been at her house. So we hear from her today. I need to hear from her. She's been on my mind and my heart. And I know she's been on everyone else's. And she needs us. She still needs us. Like there hasn't been a conclusion, but progress has been made in the saga. Okay. I'm very excited to hear. Me too. Anything else we want to, it's hard. We like actually don't have a lot to chit chat about because yesterday we did so much chit chatting on the Patreon. We did so much chit on the patreon like earlier was it this week or the end of last week jackie and i spoke about like what would it be like if we did two podcasts a day like a morning toast and an

afternoon toast and yesterday we kind of put that theory to the test and we did an afternoon episode on our patreon so it was four four o'clock and we kind of updated everyone on our day followed up thoughts we had in the morning and and you and brought them back up on the afternoon. So it was like an hour long podcast video and audio that we put on Patreon if you want to see what it would be like to have two episodes a day. Right, because if you want more than one episode a day, go to patreon.com slash the toast.

That's what we realized in this whole exercise. It's like, oh, we already do that. It's called Patreon. You pretty much nets out to like a bonus episode a week and you can go listen right now so that's really exciting and i also want to say one more thing because if you've been on our merch site you will see that there's a countdown you will a week from today we are launching new merch that is the collection i am most from today because it was like seven days and hours a collection that is so exciting that we've been working on since the fall yeah and we've been like waiting for the right time to drop it the

time is now it's in a week from today so just gird your loins we'll start to tease it soon so you'll be able to see but honestly like we don't want like people to copy it no the thing is it's like the coolest thing we'll ever drop and yesterday we were like oh should we wear it on the patreon maybe give people like a little sneak peek. And Jackie, she was right. She was like this. Like if we start teasing it before we're actually able to sell it,

like somebody is going to steal the idea. We're kind of paranoid. We are. But with good reason. Even though we talked about it on the Patreon, how we are letting go of the chip on our shoulders. We're saying goodbye to it. We're saying goodbye to it.

But that's really exciting. So set your calendars, get excited, mentally prepare. Next week, new merch dropping. So just like get that in your head, in your thick skulls, okay? That's not a way to sell. No, it's not a way to sell.

Bullying. That's one of the things I'll have to answer for. Totally. When my time comes. I think without further ado. Totally. When my time comes. I think without further ado. Sure. It's time.

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or just head over to the store nearest you. Thank you, La. It's been an absolute pleasure. Our first story, Kelly Rowland walked off the Today Show as a guest host because her dressing rooms weren't up to par, leaving Hoda Kotb scrambling. So this story has been developing ever since Kelly Rowland dramatically walked out

of NBC's Today Show on Thursday morning after the star thought her dressing room was not up to snuff, as sources exclusively tell Page Six. The singer and actress was a guest on the 8 a.m. hour of today and then was expected to fill in for Jenna Bush Hager in the fourth hour as a guest host of Today with Hoda and Jenna. However, she dropped out at the 11th hour because her dressing room wasn't up to par and she left Hoda scurrying to find a replacement, sources told Page Six. Kelly and her team were not happy. They did not like the dressing room, so they decided to pull her off the show, leaving Hoda without a guest host for the 10 a.m. hour.

She was on the show to promote her new Tyler Perry-produced Netflix movie, Mea Culpa, in which she stars and is also a producer. Her abrupt exit left everyone perplexed because she's beloved it today. She was getting the full hour. Right. She was the biggest hype woman on the planet.

It made no sense. And then a follow-up story was she continued to do press for this and she went on sherry shepherd's show and sherry shepherd gave kelly roland her own dressing room the sherry shepherd gave kelly roland sherry's dressing room like the host of the show she gave it to her for the like because she's like a dressing room diva now there are photos of the dressing rooms at the today show and i have to say not to like make everything about me i have been on the today show now i wasn't a guest host and i wasn't there for hours they literally tell you to come five minutes before they don't have a lot of space and there's like do you know how many people go on the

today show every day like local community like uh groups like there's a million people they put you in a room closet for 10 minutes you go you leave you leave. That's it. Yeah. So here are photos from 2021 that showed dressing rooms that are just like in disarray. They're very small. There's shit everywhere. And maybe that's what she walked into. Let's assume. Yeah. Like Hoda's room is covered in shit and tiny.

So it's, it's clear that this is what the Today Show has. Not that they have amazing dressing rooms and they decided to give kelly rowland the worst one right yeah they were trying to like play musical chairs with the dressing rooms find another dressing room apparently there's a green room but j-lo was already in there oh so yeah the thing is is like this is just really like bad it's a bad look for kelly rowland it's bad behavior especially because so many major celebrities go on the today show I'm sure a lot of them have walked into that room I can imagine a celebrity walking into that room and being like no no especially if you have a lot of people think highly of yourself like oh my god you just reminded me do you have a story you could swap out

for yeah I did are we talking about JLo yeah okay I swapped already oh okay I already did it yeah this story reminded me too yeah yeah yeah back to kelly roland now there are very very few people on planet earth who could get away with behavior like this now unfortunately kelly roland is not one of those people um but you know who is her good friend beyonce but you know beyonce like people who can act like this wouldn't beyonce would never like i feel like beyonce would be like talking shit with her friends would be like professional true you know woman it's true people who can act like this wouldn't and that's why they can yeah and that's why they wouldn't and I don't know why I was like kind of shocked I don't know Kelly Rowland on a personal level but what I've gleaned from her just

as a consumer of her work for many years is that she's like a cool down-to-earth girl and you know getting to go on the today show is obviously a huge get but also getting that guest co-host spot is huge and it was a missed opportunity for her to like do the hour where she could have obviously just you know shown her her personality to millions of people but also now I just have like a icky taste it's like this is really in poor taste yeah it is however valiant hero Rita Ora stepped in at the 11th hour and co-hosted with Hoda. Oh, oh. And you know what? Kelly Rowland's loss is Rida Ora's gain.

I feel like Rida Ora would have gotten this gig if she wasn't just in the building at the exact same time that they needed her. I feel like that part of the story is kind of skidded over. And I didn't watch the hour, but it's not an easy job to do, especially at the last minute. Good for her. Yeah. I feel like that's a job we would be good at.

And I am based in New York if they ever need anyone. No, beyond good at. It's kind of like what we do here. Yeah. Except we just couldn't curse on the Today Show, which I can do, because I can't curse on Amazon Live. And you're okay with that? Yeah, I actually don't think I've ever flubbed.

Margot has once. Even when I'm trying not to curse, I can't stop myself, because I'm just not aware. It's so fucking hard, I know. You know? I do know. I'm going to, you guys, I want to see how many times I'm just not aware. It's so fucking hard. I know. You know? I do know. I'm gonna, you guys,

I wanna like see how many times I curse in this episode. I wanna try not to even though I will completely forget about that after I say this. I'll like take a mental note. Okay, yeah. Call me,

like call me out in a nice way. Yeah, yeah. Just, should we have a swear jar? Swear jar. But we should put like food in it because like

who carries their own coins? Yeah, or we should put like gift cards. You just have gift cards around who swore the least well they go shopping i think like a modern um swear jar is like a venmo jar oh not as fun no not as fun i like a jar like a physical maybe the beautification committee can make a nice one that would be our new centerpiece got it but what would we be sitting here with at all times that we could put in nothing like pieces of duty saliva pieces of duty jar podg jay jay so back to this kelly roland thing like really weird behavior um

beyonce whenever yeah not a good look not a good look and then like Sherri Shepherd like kind of giving her her dressing room like dignifying the behavior yeah that I don't understand at all also Kelly Rowland's rep spoke out about the saga she said after 28 years of knowing her Kelly Rowland remains one of the kindest most amiable humans I've ever met and have had the blessing to represent so I'm gonna give Kelly Rowland the benefit of the doubt here I remember the today show is extremely early like if she was on the eight o'clock hour this girl's been up since like four or five o'clock maybe she was just like in a foul mood and I actually can relate to that so I can relate to that I would never know if this story was just like Kelly Rowland like was a diva behind the scenes of today's show because she didn't like

her dressing room like I could understand that having happened to leave and leave Hoda in the lurch when she's doing you a solid yeah that's not right especially when Hoda is one of those celebrities who I feel is like friends with everyone is good to everyone like a generous queen um I feel like she's not the type of person you want to piss off either right it's like she's super sweet but don't get on her bad side. Yeah, and she's also like an extremely powerful woman in media. But the whole organization of the Today Show. She'll never be invited back.

And that's bad. If you're trying to like have a career in entertainment. Like it's just a necessary part of like the press junket cycle. Yeah, plus it's also NBC and there's more. NBC Universal. NBC Tings. It's Bravo, it's USA Network.

They own everything. It's the Olympics. Like it's everything. So Kelly Rowland's not going to the Olympics. You will not see Kelly Rowland in Paris of summer 2024. This summer. This summer. Oh my God.

Wait. I have to start getting excited. That's why I'm wearing red, white, and blue today. And you're sporty. Yeah. Do you want to talk about the fact that I feel like people are going to be like, oh my God, I love the Rangers. Well, I would love to go to a Rangers game if anybody would would like to take me you have a sweatshirt I do have

a sweatshirt actually I went into Jackie's closet and I just kind of stood there for like 25 minutes like trying on and touching every sweater and I somehow ended up with this rangers one the thing is I'm trying on different colors while I'm here like I don't want to wear white black or gray on my top on the toes anymore so I've been trying I don't know if you guys have noticed I've been wearing like colors every single day and just seeing like which one makes my face look best okay and I haven't worn like a cobalt blue yet yeah and that's what I was doing today that was the thought process behind this look I like that yeah like you're wearing pink like let's see how your face looks I'm always wearing pink yeah it's like I don't even know if pink is the right color for

me don't sound off in the comments because like I like to wear it I kind of love that don't sound off in the comments yeah like I'm not looking for opinions I will continue wearing pink but I do think that if it didn't look good on me like I wouldn't be wearing it you know what I mean yeah I don't think it looks bad on me don't sound off in the comments no no don't no don't this was this don't get it twisted this isn't like you know I feel like group discussion so often we make everything a group discussion desperate for people to sound off in the comments but I don't need everyone to be like no jackie pink isn't your color like and then i'm gonna keep wearing pink and then i'm gonna be feeling weird like is it not my color i don't want to know yeah and by the way like i like how i look in the mirror so guess what it's my color

you look great survey says survey says you are the color are you ready for our next story not unless it's about j-lo it's not it's not because i have like it's thematic okay this is kind of like the second biggest story of the day oh what is it tom sandoval was profiled in the new york times which is just like news in itself i have not read the profile nobody has they've just read that one blurb that's going back however there's one blurb that's going viral wherein tom sandoval compared himself to oj simpson's murder trial and george floyd so in the article he asked he was asked why he thought his affair with raquel had gotten so big in the media and he said i'm not a pop culture historian really but I witnessed but that's not even the craziest part but I witnessed the OJ Simpson thing and George Floyd and all these big things which is really weird to compare this to that I think but do you think in a weird way it's

a little bit the same this is like a manic person who's like deeply mentally ill and narcissistic like the fact that the New York Times profiled him I think says a lot about the state of journalism like the New York Times this is all the news that's fit to print and also like maybe there was a time where a profile on Tom Sandoval would have been interesting like that time has passed like get with the program New York Times so hearing like this like they didn't edit his words like kind of you know what I mean this is how this person's speaking like this is a crazy person this is a crazy person and then the follow-up quote from the editor was like he clearly you know has lost perspective yes if he thinks that this is as big as those things and he put out a statement and this is what he said my intentions behind the comments I made in New

York Times magazine were to explain the level of national media attention my affairs received the comparison was inappropriate and ignorant I'm incredibly sorry and embarrassed honestly like facts on that statement like i i can understand as how he was like what he thought he was saying because here's the thing scandival was huge top five news stories of the year news too yeah yeah i know what he was trying to say it was bigger than it should have been it was the biggest thing that was happening it permeated all levels of media like it scandals on CNN it's on in the New York Times like it was very very massive yeah like and other things that were very very massive were but it was just like I would have chosen different things honestly like the OJ one wasn't the most far off.

Yeah. The George Floyd one, like not the best, but I'm trying to think like what I would have compared it to. Honestly, like, well, no, because that's also like murdery, like the Murdaw trials. Like that's how much everyone was talking about it. Like I'm trying to think of a Megxit. Yeah.

I think if he had stuck to OJ, it wouldn't have like raised the alarm. Agreed. And it's kind of like he's comparing himself to George Floyd. it wouldn't have like raised the alarm. Agreed. And it's kind of like he's comparing himself to George Floyd. Like it's a crazy thing to do. It's psychotic. But also like if you've been keeping up with this saga, specifically like the mental health of one Tom Sandoval, like this isn't shocking. Like he literally thinks of himself.

You see even in the episodes like how he walks around his house. Like he thinks like he's seriously like this like jesus on the cross like for real yeah and the thing is though like for a moment he was and so he gets he has these delusions of grandeur but the thing was so grand yeah but like he wasn't grand no no the thing that he was a part of was so grand not in a good way in a big way yeah and he already thinks so bigly of himself he does but like for one moment he was that big but he doesn't realize like it was all negative and and it wasn't even like as big as he thinks it was but it was extremely big it was extremely big so it was

enormous he was trying to explain the scale the size and scale of it. But also so important to note, like this isn't like a deeply smart person. No, no. Or like well-educated or doesn't have their finger on the pulse of the tone of the culture. Like this is just a person who definitely lives in their own world and who thinks of themselves very highly.

Yeah. And I'm not a stand-of-all apologist, but I can understand how he arrived at saying something so fucking crazy. And I just not a stand of all apologists, but I can understand how he arrived at saying something so fucking crazy. And I just want to say like, I appreciate him saying something so fucking crazy. Cause it's funny as hell. Yeah. Yeah. I can understand how he, how he thought that, how he got to that too. But a normal person would have used like deductive reasoning to be like, maybe I should switch out these two examples. Cause the point he was trying to make, is it lost on me, but it's lost on everyone now. Cause we're just focusing. I'm like,

did you just call yourself George Floyd? Like it crazy yeah yeah and I honestly I think that his statement even though people will like not care what he said and don't if they were offended by what he said like they won't forgive him I think his statement like perfectly sums up whoever wrote this obviously it wasn't him like it wasn't we get it the thing is I have so many issues with Sandoval like this doesn't even register yeah I also have issues with like i think he has a crisis pr team that's trying to do something do a 180 on his persona for me though it's not like even if we can undo the effects of scandaval like i'll get back to a good place with tom because i didn't like him yeah we're we were kind of ahead of our time in that sense that we always knew there was something nefarious about him but i guess these puff pieces are meant for the people who were attending his shows before Scandival.

Like those people. The fans. Like he had fans. He had fans. Yeah. Freaks. And I think those people are also the people who are going the hardest against him

because they're just so invested in this world. Yeah. And they were fans of him because they were fans of him and Ariana. Yeah, no, but also like fans of him and like his extra most. I actually like, I used to believe that there are people who are fans of him and like his extra most i i actually like i used to believe that there are people who are fans of the extra most like i just there's not there were people

who were on their own like tom was their favorite one on the show no way sound off in the comments the extra most if you're one of those people in concert if you are one of those people like i need to interview you those people don't listen to this show. So they can't sound off. Thank God for that. So they can't sound off in the comments. Oh, that makes me feel better. But these puff pieces are, I think, to win back those people. Not us. Got it.

It's just crazy that like. But those people will not like this comparison. Oh, so Raquel was like starting some drama on Instagram yesterday. Just kind of compiling all the times. Sheena. Because Sheena did like an after show. You know Bravo has those like weird after shows. Yeah. like starting some drama on instagram yesterday i'm just kind of compiling all the times sheena because she didn't did like an after show you know bravo has those like weird after shows yeah just being like the clowning on on somebody for non-stop talking about sandoval and then raquel put together like a reel of every time sheena in the last couple of months has said

sandoval on her podcast like it's a million times like Sheena's podcast blew up because of Sandoval like a lot of those girls podcasted the Bravo Vanderpump girls um so there's like signs of life from Raquel as well well she has a podcast she's got to get in the mix I'm ready for her to return to the show yeah me too I also need to catch up on the show the episode was last night i've seen um what the general theme was and it was talk about apparently tom scandival tom scandival tom sandoval was suicidal during the saga and what that meant for like lisa and stuff and i think a lot of people are just like not believing him oh which is kind of crazy that is kind of crazy that like people are saying that no one with like a platform is saying that though right no like the fans the fans because

they could say whatever they want yeah there's no accountability there's no right right right but like i'm i think that's like a cancelable offense yeah like i'm just gonna kill myself no you weren't right but but do the rules apply to tom sandoval i think that's where as a society we're struggling and i think for a while they didn't and that's why people were saying like the downright nastiest things to and about raquel do the rules of civility apply to someone who you perceive to be as like a villain? That's a good question. I think they do.

I think they do too. And I think that people took it too far with Raquel. Right. Right. So especially if that person appears to be like empathetic and sorry for what they've done. Right, but also that person was a lesser villain, sure. So it's easier to like have a softer spot for her.

And she's also a girl. But even if... Yeah. No, I'm thinking about where I stand. I need to watch the episode. Me too, we need to catch up. But like we've been so love is blinding. We've been so.

And we're just like enjoying each other. It's true. Are you ready for our next story? Is it the next story about J-Lo? It will be the next story about J-Lo because the next two stories are related in shameful music news. Okay. I need to talk about.

We need to talk about J-Lo. And we're going to get to this story in one second. But just like a little backstory that I feel nobody's talking about, which is a great preface for the story. JLo recently released a film and an album. They were like a joint project. And she's been doing press about this film, basically saying she had to fund it herself. And it's giving like sob story about like women in media.

I don't know. But essentially, she like pitched all these networks. The idea for her movie, which is like a story of how her album came to life. And nobody took it. And she's doing press saying the story. Nobody took it. So she decided to bet on herself. She produced the film and financed it herself.

$20 million on this film. And now it's like flopping. And it's on Amazon. So it's on Amazon. I am curious how much, if any, she made back, like how much did Amazon pay to license it? Yeah, well, here's my question. Why didn't anyone pick it up?

Obviously, like we know that nobody really was interested, but like J-Lo is the sort of name that the industry just like keeps propping up. There's a million, this isn't a J, I actually, I actually I really like JLo but some people you'll never really know if there are aren't successful because they just like keep shining and they keep getting opportunities and it's like the same people regurgitated through the system and she's one of those people so like why would they say no to her well these aren't tough economic times I don't I don't know why like a network, when you think about all the crap, Netflix, Amazon, HBO.

No, but like this is crap too. Yeah, yeah. So like why is this crap different from all of the craps? Right, and it's like we take everyone's documentary and every major celebrity and who's the bigger name and like JLo's as big as they get. And also she's had a really big year and people are really interested about her.

And Ben, like this isn't the worst idea I've ever heard. Well, the film is bizarre. Okay. It's like animatronic. Like I literally, I film is bizarre. Okay. It's like animatronic. Like I literally, I can't even explain it. It's not like a movie. Like I can't explain it. I see a still from it.

It looks like Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah, and then it looks like AI. Yeah. But wait, back. Oh, so I do wonder if perhaps her Netflix doc, Halftime, like if it was crazy successful, you would use that data to pitch your next maybe it was a flop I didn't watch it true like I don't know I don't know why nobody bought it but

it's crazy to me because I feel like there is no interest in a movie or an album from JLo and we're going to get to the story that proves that so I find it shocking that all these streaming services who spend money like it's nothing the book stops here yeah like how do they know or why do they they care now yeah they're always putting up crap they're always putting up crap but they have the numbers to sort of back it up and they don't really have to be accountable because it's like one show pays for everything else and they can you know spend money blind literally is paying for all of netflix's original content that and like bridgerton right but they can like spend money on things that like. Make them look. Nobody cares about.

That industry things care about. And they just keep like circle jerking each other with it. Because they have the big thing. So yeah. It's weird to me that the buck ended here with her. So all of that was in anticipation of this new album. That she did all this crazy press for. She spent 20 million dollars.

And it's called This Is Me. Now. And it's giving Demi Lovato like. Oh my god. It's giving Demi Lovato. This is my God. It's giving Demi Lovato. This is the real me today. And then in six months, you'll be like,

no, no, nevermind. This is the real me now. Ignore her. Yeah. I hate when people do that. I don't know her. Yeah. So JLo's This Is Me Now

is suffering a career low, fans say, and the release can't be saved despite long list of A-list cameos. So JLo has attempted a comeback that fans don't think her career will be able to come back from. She released her ninth studio album, This Is Me Now, paired with a star-studded Amazon Prime special.

Her LP has 16 tracks, a lot of features. However, this could not save it from its shockingly low reception upon its debut. On Spotify, many of the tracks have not surpassed 40,000 streams and lacks any chart-topping singles aside from Can't Get Enough, which has 4 million streams. After that, the drop-off is huge, with no other song on the album crossing 1 million streams. 40,000.

First of all, numbers, I feel, are always inflated. Yeah, because Spotify could serve it to you in a playlist, and it plays, but then you turn it off to the next song, but I think that counts. first of all and numbers I feel are always inflated so yeah because someone like Spotify could serve it to you in a playlist and it plays but then you turn it off to the next song but I think that counts and there are like you know stans who will like put all their their um phone devices on devices to repeat so I feel as though like Spotify numbers are always really like hyped up and inflamed so for her to have songs that not reach 40,000 like that's insanely low yeah like that's like not to make everything about me but like I did release a song and like it did hit a million streams like and I'm truly nobody like that's how long did it take to hit a

million a month yeah knowing she's JLo halftime show JLo and I feel like she keeps she's so I think and I hate to use the word desperate because I don't think she's J-Lo, halftime show. She's J-Lo. And I feel like she keeps, she's so, I think, and I hate to use the word desperate because I don't think she's a desperate person, but she is desperate to stay relevant. I feel like she's always entering these new eras. Yeah, she's not like gonna go to Vegas and retire and live off the land. But the thing is, she is a pop star in retirement

who refuses to retire. And I don't mean retire, go live in a retirement home. I mean like do the greatest hits do a Vegas residency you maybe you'll collaborate with another artist you do a bunch of YouTube videos like she refuses to enter that era of her music career and I think it's to her detriment like no one and for not just now for a really long time nobody has been interested in new JLo music like the catalog is the catalog and it's excellent it's a plus stop I agree I also feel like she's had so much success as an actress recently and if I were her I would do more of that yeah like the kind of the music career is done like and it doesn't it's not over it's done in a sense of like newness yeah

and if she were to kind of go about it like lady gaga like do a big project every year like that's a great way to stay relevant you do the award shows like when she did hustlers yeah and i feel like that was a real peak for her hustlers yeah in terms of her relevance no and also like uh you know industry accolades because she has done a lot of things where she doesn't really get her shine. I feel like she has kind of a chip on her shoulder too. Really? I actually disagree. I think she could use a chip. I don't know. I feel like with all that Oscar buzz, she was shedding her chip because she really couldn't get serious people to think seriously about her.

She didn't deserve an Oscar, Mom. I'm sorry. No, but it was a good movie and she did a good job. It was an amazing movie. I enjoyed it immensely. Yeah. And she deserved an Oscar nom for Selena. Right. Did she get one? I don't know.

That Hustlers movie was like her first foray back into like serious acting. Like if she had stuck with it, like I love the Lady Gaga strategy. Like one big project and you make it personality for a year a star is born house of gucci now it's the joaquin phoenix movie like you get to go to all the award shows you still stay super relevant but you're not like a people's ass and being annoying and you're doing something new and if you're doing it well but she does do it well she was very good in hustler she didn't deserve an Oscar but she was good and she's a talented actress we know this um and they're also just like so but i i wouldn't even compare them because

i want new albums from lady gaga i'm not sorry i'm not comparing the two i don't think lady gaga should stop putting out new works of art no i'm sorry she has more to give us no i agree i was just talking about like how lady gaga does this thing with acting okay and i think she does it really well and she gets taken very seriously and she didn't have a lot of acting experience yeah also when it comes to her music career there's also like a lot of questions about it we were talking about of course and you know um people did let me know ashanti has actually been very vocal about and christina million two two women who have been very vocal about like their voices being on j-lo tracks like there is there there. So why not pivot?

You know? Yeah. Let's stop reminding people. It's time to look at the data. And the data says this. The data says this. No streaming services wanted her documentary or whatever it is, movie. And her streams were abysmal.

Yeah. So what do we do? Like what would your recommendation be? like if you were a JLo's publicist I would I would take a breath I would look at the things that JLo has been like most loved for I would focus on those things yeah maybe another acting project maybe even a Vegas residency let's play the hits let's remind them we sing let's remind them we dance and let's remind them they've never seen a show like this before. And let's kind of, you know. Wait, wait, wait.

I think she did one. No, but she did like a short. Yeah. Let's do a real one. Oh, you mean like a Celine Dion one? Yeah. Britney. Yeah.

And then we will forget about like this chapter. This is a blip on the radar. Yeah, yeah. Let's do like more Met Gala with Ben. That's like what retired pop stars do. Yeah. And retired is like has a negative connotation and I don't mean it that way. J-Lo skin. Beauty. Beauty glow. Also flop.

Like big flop. That's a shame because she's someone that I would take beauty advice from. I don't think anyone looks more amazing than she does. I think a lot of people felt like it was just like an obvious cash grab. Not like she was sitting down with the dermatologist like coming up with formulas like yeah it just felt like a little I agree because she's the type of person who looks amazing like I would buy workout anything from her I would buy skin things from her like she's a person who's really like I think a lot of women look up to who looks amazing who looks amazing for her age and I just felt like that whole JLo beauty thing like the launch was kind of flop.

Yeah yeah. She's in her flop era. Okay it's fine. It's fine. Happens to everyone. And I just felt like that whole JLo beauty thing, like the launch was kind of flop. Yeah. Yeah. She's in her flop era. Okay. It's fine. It's fine. Happens to everyone. Viola Davis said it.

There's nowhere to go but up. You got to flop. Yeah. You can't. Yeah. Right. You can't be up if you were never down. Yeah. And at least she's up in her personal life.

True. Like she has, you know, more success than she would ever need. She'll be fine. She'll be fine. What this is, is it's embarrassing yes yes and we need to pivot like ross keller in more embarrassing musical news what number is this four four normani has been accused of running her own fan account i saw this whole thing unraveling live on social media last night and i had to clench my butt home. So Normani recently made headlines

after wiping her official, well, she didn't make headlines. She didn't. But she wiped her Instagram page, Normani, because that's what artists do when there's a new era coming. And then a Normani Stan account posted a screenshot of Normani's blank Instagram saying, what is happening? However, the screenshot that the

Stan account posted still had like the user logo on the top left corner. It wasn't cropped out. And you could see that it was from that at Normani Instagram profile. So thus, you know, she took the screenshot, like the person who was on Normani's account took the screenshot of a fan account and acted like what is happening. However, if you are on Normani's account, like you know exactly what's happening. do i think that like normani herself is running two twitter accounts one for normani and one for normani nation no is normani nation like the official one i think okay do i think like maybe someone on her record label pr team marketing one of her management team does both yes and that's embarrassing so it's definitely

was not her no not like the girl normani not the girl normani but norma team normani yeah runs normani fan account and pretends like they don't like at least taylor nation is tree it is taylor's management that like in their bio right and that's where you get all the news that you need on updates on tour on merch like it all comes from it's verified that's also what Harry Styles has he has hshq right so this is not that no what is happening it's just like oh my god you know what's happening like you did it yeah and there's also this like running joke on social media about Normani because when she you know know, there was a lot, a lot, a lot of hype for her music career. I remember we had this really long conversation about it in their old, old studio in Long Island City.

And she had released Motivation and she had that really amazing performance. I think it was at the VMAs where she was wearing those really cute basketball shorts. Like there was a lot of hype. They said she was going to be the next Beyonce. And there was like Beyonce was getting involved. Like and she has this tweet that people constantly refer to because it was basically like, you guys are not ready for this album. Like it will change the course. Like she didn't say this, but like it was basically saying like it will change the course of music history. The album never came out. She has never released a body of work. And there's this like running joke

online, like we'll get it when we get Normani's album and so for her to be making moves now finally for this album that we've heard about for years and this is the narrative like it's really unfortunate no it's bad and whoever and i i want to state i do not think it was normani running her fan account but it was definitely someone who works for normani they should be fired like this is a fireable offense it looks really bad like i'm all about like people make mistakes social media managers no no this is you had one job built tight and people are just like they there are a lot of eyes on normani because of this running joke no it's bad unforgivable unforgivable. Unforgivable. I'm sorry. It is.

And it's just because you want to know why? It's moreover, it's embarrassing. And like there's no way around it, you know? Right. And even though we know it was someone who works for Normani, not Normani herself, like the culture, the people. No, no. It's not even about the culture, the people. No, even if everyone knew it was Normani's team,

it's like what's embarrassing is she doesn't actually have a big fan account like she's been propping herself up all this time to her and her team like not even that oh we slipped on on showing it it's like so where are the fans okay and are the fans in the room with us and that just reminded me and i can't believe i'm about to bring up maddie pruitt again but do you remember when maddie pruitt like right after her bachelor um season ended she was really really famous she was um caught also running her own fan account yes in what way was she caught she left a comment on the on her own Instagram account but she thought she was commenting from the fan account being like oh Mads like you look so cute or something like something to her sister or something yeah like she was on the wrong account basically and commented and people saw it

immediately got it embarrassing but like that's what happens when you're coming up in the reality tv world like you're not like yeah you you do embarrassing shit like that normani is a star a star she has teams yeah She has teams. Yeah. She has people. Yeah. Unacceptable. Like what's Maddie going to do? Fire herself?

Boom. Like oops. Yeah, no, it's true. It's true. Like you can just like, you know, curse yourself. But this is an avoidable thing when you have like a whole team of people. Teams. Peoples. Yeah, it probably was like the social media manager who had to go and clear out Normani's Instagram.

Because it's not an easy thing to do. No then she wanted people to know like and alert them it happened what is happening it's like it's also if you like if we like took a magnifying glass to like the tweet itself it's like that's what i guess a real stan account would say like a teenager but would they you know what i mean it's like no I feel like they would do like, like a bunch of letters. Be like, guys, I don't know how people talk, but. Right. Something like that. So just.

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No, but like she's been using it all week to print. I don't use it. Let's talk about it. Okay. I don't use it that much. So it had enough ink for me for weeks. Yeah. For weeks.

What was it? Five days ago? I said, Hey, Jack's, uh, order, order more ink. She keeps telling me. She said it was running low it wasn't out yet so I gave you time no but you kept telling me to order ink while I'm sitting here choosing the stories and if I leave to go and order ink then I go on a whole rabbit hole on my phone and then where the show gets backed up so I said the next day I just said tell me when I'm not doing this

and you never did so the next day I said Jax did you get that cartridge oh no I'll do it today the next day I didn't say I didn't say those days remind me later the same thing so the next day I said, Jackson, did you get that cartridge? Oh no, I'll do it today. The next day. I didn't say, I didn't say those. Remind me later. The same thing. So the next morning I come in here. God forbid the bitch orders the cartridges. Basically out of,

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and this morning I was like, okay, IT department, let's go. I'm futzing with it. Fixes of printer, IT department. It won't tell me and then I realized

Jaggy bought the wrong cartridges so when I put the new cartridge in it was like, we don't know this cartridge. We are not compatible with this cartridge. So then I had to replace my order and then I realized she's also out of paper so i

had to get more paper and it's just been like this terrible saga and nobody should ever have a printer for your but like you created this saga perpetuated it next time why didn't you just order the cartridges to begin with it's like you're on printer patrol i will i will lesson learned lesson learned my cup is here yeah my husband i ordered a drink from downstairs yeah your husband came in when i was doing the ads and i swear to god like i just saw a cup appear behind the door my heart stopped that's classic trudy you guys will notice if you go back and re-watch the quince ad like there's a period where i just like stopped talking i was like actually really scared zach brought me a coffee i ordered it like 30 minutes ago because I've been up since six so this is my

third coffee oh man and I finished my second one I need a drink we talk so much we do I I didn't realize the coffee's not just decorative like I know no beverage we also like need a fridge up here to do some actual work in this studio you need to throw out like everything in this studio but like some you'll you'll see some things it's like okay the old mic flags like do i throw those away yes i was just thinking like that can go in the trash that goes in our new storage unit i mean it's a part of toast herstory but like i can't think like that we only need one no but what i was gonna say yes i i should get a fridge in here so i can have cold drinks but it's the restocking of it like can you see me carrying like a thing of waters up the stairs no you have a husband yeah maybe i'll just like put

a week should we go today to get a mini fridge yeah i was also like you have like four outlets in this room and we use every single outlet for chargers cameras lights we need extension cords and i change the setup like i have to change outlets and like everyone is spoken for no we okay project today there actually is one extension cord here and it's not used um the panel wait what there's a panel you know there's an extension cord it goes um so you plug it in so you so you use one outlet and you get two an extension cord with two plugs like no thanks oh thanks. Oh, and it has like two USB ports. Who the fuck needs that? And also USB ports are going the way of the horse and buggy.

Yes, they are. Everything's USB-Z. Like, do not give me an extension cord that doesn't have at least six plugs. Like, that's insane. There's a dearth of outlets. Yeah, one, two. One with something weird also. There's actually not a dearth.

I guess, no, there's a lot of outlets in here for a small, tiny room. There's six. And there's another one here. There's eight. No, that's one, two, three. Four. Four, yeah. I love outlets.

No, I do. This conversation is fascinating. Do you guys, but no, like an outlet, especially like an outlet right next to my bed. Like I'm obsessed. Oh, yeah. But you don't want it to look ugly. No, no, I'm sorry. Like right behind my head bed. Like I'm obsessed. Oh yeah. But you don't want it to look ugly. No, no. I'm sorry.

Like right behind my headboard. But like in an accessible manner. Oh, to me, that's like pornography. Because I have my hatch. I have my phone charger. Oh my gosh. I also have a bedside lamp, which is such a flat, like a bedside lamp is everything. Everything.

I have heating pad for brew. And then if I want to treat myself. Kindle charger. Charger. Yeah. The universal charger just for miscellaneous items and then like now i need the usbc charger for my old kindle on my new phone like so dumb so i need six outlets by my bed wrong they're wrong for that they're wrong for that

we need to go outlet free cordless that shit never works though never and if you have a squeegee on the back of your phone squeegee's like really starting to piss me off. Don't even bother. I know, but I'm like such a content creator. You are. I'm a creator of content. You are. Are you ready for our fifth and final story,

which is kind of perfect news? Perfect news, yeah. Vanessa Williams will star in a re-imagined Devil Wears Prada musical. So Vanessa Williams is going to be playing Miranda Priestly in a newly re-imagined version of the Devil Wears Prada musical, debuting at the Theatre Royal Plymouth on July 9th the day before Turdy's birthday 2024 ahead of a West End premiere. It's all London so this is all happening in London so

I'm happy for the Londoners. No but this is like where shows get brought to Broadway. And this is where things could start to happen so I'm hopeful that this will be a rousing success when it comes to Broadway because a more perfect casting I couldn't think of. So there's so much to unpack here. First, like the sheer fact that The Devil Wears Prada is being made into a musical. And it's like, it is a star-studded production. The music is being done by Elton John.

I just want to say, it did already premiere in Chicago as a musical. And so now it's like, you know, picking up steam and it's heading to the West End. And now they have like a celebrity casting. Yeah. And Vanessa Williams, who we all know as Wilhelmina slater from ugly betty and also like miss america and she has like a whole ton of accolades like we know her from that is going to be miranda

priestly and i feel as though like her time on ugly betty was preparing her for this role it's the role she was born to play it's the role that she's already played she's also extremely musical and has a beautiful voice yes so she was meant to play this role on Broadway I'm obsessed I do we did we need a devil wears proud of musical no and what's with Broadway like not being able to come up with original concept and just being like you know making old movies Mean Girls School of Rock Matilda making them into musicals like I don't know who asked for that but but it's fine. If you're going to do it, do it like this. Elton John, Vanessa Williams. Yeah.

It's a sleigh. It's a sleigh. It's a sleigh. And I feel as though maybe we're going to be spending Terny's 30th in London. You think? No. We're going to champion this and make all the English toasters go

so that it does get brought to Broadway. Yeah. Like, I'm more excited about, like like the Vanessa Williams casting than I am. What do you think of Vanessa Williams from? Ugly Betty or Desperate Housewives? Like what's your association? Ugly Betty probably ekes out just like by a little bit because like she wasn't like OG casting of Desperate Housewives,

but then she actually had a huge role in Desperate Housewives. So it probably goes Ugly Betty, then Desperate Housewives. She like became a main character, but she's not when you think of like the four Desperate Housewives. She's not one of them. Yeah. Which was a mistake. Oh for sure. And I think once they cast her they realized that. I think she actually might be in like the cast photos the cover photos. She is. For like the fifth and sixth seasons whatever season she was on. Yes I believe that she is. And so was that freak Catherine. She was the worst character. The worst

but also an iconic role of Vanessaessa williams is hannah montana the movie the publicist yes of course love love what else was she in she doesn't get enough hype yeah but she's in everything she's like look at her imdb it's forever pages long like what what do we know what are our faves yeah hannah montana that's such a good call such a good one that movie was also low-key star-studded like uh Tyra Banks right and they were fighting over the show right love love yeah so that's exciting it is exciting and what's more exciting is that it's the time of the show that I really have been waiting for the entire day Dear Toasters which is our weekly advice segment every Wednesday you can write into us uh deartoasters at gmail.com if you want to email us if you want to submit on our website it's

thetoastpodcast.com and both ways of submitting are completely anonymous so do it over there and I'm going to start with the update that we have so as you guys know I recapped in the beginning of the show don't make me do it again the last we heard from this girl was she didn't know what to do with this information she found the condom on a trip with her husband and they had a valentine's day trip planned and our advice to her was basically don't have sex with him because he just had sex with his rando hooker and rando hooker maybe like sit on the information see if he comes to you like yeah it'll be very interesting to see how he acts now that you know yeah no now that he's done it and now that you know about it like you can watch him with that perspective. Hey girlies, I didn't anyone,

I didn't know anyone wanted a further update until I saw the pod Friday and now I need to deliver the rest of the story. First and most importantly, I did not have sex with my husband

during our weekend away. Luckily, I got food poisoning and it was easy to refrain from that weenie of a man. Did he poison you? Did she poison you? Second,

I wanted all week for him to confess his sins but he never did. Monday evening, the other woman messaged my husband needing some sort of maintenance and he ignored the message. I asked if he was going to go assist and he said, no, I pulled out the condom wrapper and slammed it on the coffee table. He immediately started apologizing, explained that the girl had given him a beer after the job and that turned into multiple beers. She came on to him and quote, it just happened. He said he didn't mean for it to happen and he hasn't talked to her since i freaked out and

started crying ended up packing a bag and went to my sister's house i called into work today and i've been thinking about this whole situation all day he's tried calling and texting but i've ignored them i haven't told my sister the full story because i'm not sure what i'm gonna do what should i do what would you do i'm a total mess okay so far you're handling everything like so amazingly i also understand you not telling your sister because like once you do like it makes it real and like if you guys do end up working things out but like then your sister knows that your husband cheated on you like even still like even if you work things out and maybe she will be less quick to forgive him like you shouldn't keep these secrets it's not your like

you didn't do anything like you didn't do anything wrong you didn't do anything wrong and like your sister should know like the state of your marriage because also you need to be able to talk to her going forward like okay we're even if you work it out like we're back together but I'm feeling this way like you need someone to talk to I would tell your sister even though like yeah she's gonna look at him differently but like if you forgive him eventually she will too so that's not a reason not to tell her and I want to preface by saying I'm actually not one of these people who's like you cheated I'm out like I do think people can come back from things it's all situational it's all depends on the person depends on like the

existing relationship and my opinion here is that you should leave I think that you have no children so there's really nothing holding you to this man too you're like kind of newly married and the fact that he really wasn't able to keep his dick in his pants for that long, like this is not gonna be a one-time thing. I also think the way he covered up the crime and his reaction to you was like kind of a letdown. Like take responsibility. She like gave me a beer and it just,

she came on to me. Like take fucking accountability. I agree, take accountability. But I believe him that that's what happened. Like the woman, I know that it takes two to tango and he was the one who was in a relationship. But like this woman has been preying on your man since she moved in she saw a window like with the beer and I think he was so fucking dumb just like the way he made you feel bad because you like had a weird feeling about her like he was so naive to what she was

doing but she was throwing all kinds of tricks on him for sure but personal accountability is important but like I think he never expected that to happen or intended for that to happen and just is a dumb idiot loser but like do you want to be married to a dumb idiot loser and like before this happened like how would you have described your relationship right now right i just feel like nothing ventured nothing lost goodbye yeah cut clean like to cheat on someone so early in your marriage, it's like, why did you get married? No, dumb idiot loser. Yeah. And then it's like, do you want the father of your children to be dumb?

Like, no. That's bad. It's bad. And that he would cheat on you, not even come clean. I hoped maybe, like, you know, you guys would have a weekend and, like, this would be eating at him and he'd be acting weird and he would come clean and, like, okay. But he would have never told you. If he got away with it, what, would have a weekend and like this would be eating at him and he'd be acting weird and he would come clean and like, okay. But he would have never told you. If he got away with it,

what would he do it again? Right, and he'd let you go on it. Except he did ignore the message. But like, that's just the first. Who cares? That's just the first time. That's what happens in an affair. Like you freak out.

You say you're never gonna do it again. Then you get into a fight with your wife and you run to the lady's house. Like him not answering her text is not a check in his column. Leave. Leave, like goodbye, really. It's giving such loser energy.

And I don't know. And it's like, I'm thinking the most recent conversation we had about cheating was like Victoria and David Beckham. And they worked it out. And it was fine. But like, listen, he's not David Beckham. He's not David Beckham. And by the way, they had like kids.

And they had a whole life together. Like, you have to weigh. Are you? Could you not get past this? It's worth, you know, putting to bed everything had a whole life together. Like you have to weigh, are you, could you not get past this? It's worth, you know, putting to bed everything you two have been together. Sounds like you two haven't even been together that long. You don't have kids. You don't have a life.

Like, and the first opportunity, like, okay, you're saying like the woman was the harlot who preyed upon him. I'm saying like it takes two to tango. But the first time that happens, like you're so weak. You're so weak. Like, ew, honestly, it's an ick. Like obviously the cheating. No, no, the weakness.

But like the fact that you're like a big dopey loser who has not even the smallest bit of self-restraint, ick. No, and like can't see that this person is like how she's behaving. And like, you just have bad judgment. Yeah. And I don't think that's who you want to like father your children and be your husband. And it's giving weenie of the week yeah who used his weenie who used his weenie and I think you should

leave him we will not judge you if you don't because I do think people can come back from things and I think there are a lot of people who went on to have if there's things worth saving based on what we know it doesn't sound like he's worth saving but maybe you know other things that we don't and so that's completely your call it's your call and we won't judge you either way but this is grounds for leaving oh for sure if you think you're overreacting you're not yeah at all um you're actually like being really cool about it yeah you are and you gave him a conversation you didn't like key his car and burn his things and and i took my key into the side of his pretty little four wheel drive.

Yeah. But feel free to carve your name in his leather seats. Yeah. Keep us posted. Of course. Thank you for routinely keeping us updated. Like it means the world. And if you need us,

we're here for you. Yeah. Keep us, keep keeping us updated. Hopefully wednesday we could share more i'm like you decided yeah i would love but you also don't need to decide anything permanent this week like stay your sister see how you feel you're so lucky to have a sister nearby like tell your sister though because the secrets like it will poison you and it's not your poison right and then you're like you're keeping a secret and you didn't do anything wrong. And that isolates you from the people that you love and then you're punishing yourself. Yeah. Tell your sis. Hey Jackson Turd I started dating a guy two months ago. As a finance girl I love to talk about money

and my new boyfriend owns his own business. How long do I have to wait before I ask him how much money he makes? I don't care I'm just genuinely curious. Love a girly who hopes he doesn't take it the wrong way. I think you can ask. Two months is like, actually, I'm sorry, you can't ask. It depends like how serious you are at two months. But once you hit like, you know, exclusive, serious relationship. Yeah, like that's part of a relationship. Financial transparency. Like I'm trying to think like when me and Ben, but we were also like kids.

Like we were in college. We like didn't have jobs. Zach and I told you how they're pretty early because we worked at the same company. Oh, I'm telling HR. And we, it was like more so like very curious, like talking to a coworker. Right, right, right. But which is like, you're really not allowed to do that. No, you're allowed to do whatever the fuck you want.

No, you're like not supposed to tell your coworkers how much you make. Well, I would never. That's like the rule of HR. I would never tell a coworker how much I made because I was never close enough with a coworker to like have casual conversation, let alone like that. But we worked in like different departments, so we weren't casual conversation, let alone like, like that. But we worked in like different departments, so we weren't like competitive, but I'm just like curious. Yeah. I think that it's not so much about like how much time you've been together. It's about

the status of your relationship. So like, are you in love? Are you exclusive? Are you moving fast? Are you moving slow? Are you just like dating or are you boyfriend and girlfriend? Yeah. And like when the conversation veers into financial territory, ask don't just like out of the blue one day bring it up yeah yeah that's actually a really good point because then you like look a little crazy but I understand like she's really only asking out of sheer curiosity I'm a curious person too like I get that but I do think that you can ask I don't think it's an out-of-bounds question did she say what he did like no he owns his own business so it's not like he has a job and a salary oh so it's just like it's a little like it's you're not gonna get a straight answer right

because people who own their own business like ourselves like somebody asking how much i made like i couldn't tell you a number yeah and also it's like the business might have made this but we're putting it back into the business how much am i taking home right he might not be taking home anything because he's waiting to sell like you're gonna get a whole run around he's gonna give you the rigmarole like you're not you're gonna ask you're gonna get an answer and you're gonna feel like you don't have an answer you're gonna wish you didn't even ask because you didn't get an answer and then you're the person who asked yeah maybe just wait till it comes up naturally it will come up it's a part of like joining lives yeah it's a huge part of it

actually that's kind of my favorite part of love is blind when they do the finances or like they just talk to each other about like do you have debt student loans credit card loans how much do you make do you own a business like it's I find I'm like nosy and it's interesting but it also like is a huge part of like a life together yeah do you own your apartment do you own your house yeah that is true there are a lot of a couple like foundational conversations that they have to have they assume that they don't show us well actually you texted me I had totally forgotten people because people are just talking now about Megan Fox, Chelsea. Like that's all they're talking about.

But there was actually a really interesting conversation on the third episode of Love is Blind that we kind of breezed past because like that couple's kind of irrelevant. They've gotten like no airtime. I don't even know their names. Jeremy, Jeremy and Sarah. And she was basically just like, what is your about politics? Right. Which I'm sure that they

talk about they've never shown it they've never shown it I assume that every couple has that conversation and probably also like religion would be there too and unless it's like the thing that's binding them like Kenny and Brittany Brittany we don't need to see it um and also that's really personal stuff so I think it's better when they don't air it. But they just raw dog aired this girl's answer. No, and she was also like very, I think she was, did he ask or she asked? He asked. It's like such a crazy, and then they went into abortion. Yeah.

And just like these really hot button issues. And they seemed like they sort of were on the same page. I thought the conversation actually was healthy. Was really healthy. But it was just like kind of unfair that they only aired hers totally it was like kind of crazy no I was and by the way those are the questions like you really need to be on the same page with someone like those are like foundational things but I don't think that they well maybe maybe they aired this because I

don't think so she's conservative but the vibe I got is that he's not yeah but he didn't say anything back no they probably didn't air what he said because she said you know I'm conservative but I definitely have uh left-leaning friends and I love them and we can just like talk about stuff so I feel like that might be their story I don't know if they get together or whatever but maybe politics is what comes between them and that's why they showed us this conversation I won't answer you because like I know more than you and I don't want to spoil and I don't want you to read my facial reactions either okay i'm sure look i feel like from what you're saying like he went with blondini i'm literally not saying anything the blonde lady that also likes him maybe if you you know finish the episodes you've been working as hard as i can

i know i know was that our third or fourth i I can't remember. Which one did I do? I did the update. That was two. That was two. Okay. Let me find. What was the question? Finances.

When, how long does you have to wait? Ask. But he owns his own business. So there's no answer. So like you're not going to find any. And every year is different. Like. Yeah.

Okay. Final one. Dear Turd and Jackie O. I had a baby six months ago. My husband and I have planned for multiple children. We are enjoying parent life. And recently I mentioned that I'm ready for round two my husband mentioned my weight he said that he doesn't think I should get pregnant until I lose the baby weight I reminded him that I was smoking hot and in the best shape of my life when I met

him and he was a dough boy when we met I needed advice should I divorce him should I shame him make him buy me jewelry etc okay first of all I hate him like I just want to say like this just like gives me such a pit it's not his place to say anything and i just have to ask the question like is he saying it because of aesthetics or because of health because like you know medically like it is safer healthier and safer to get pregnant like if you are severely overweight like it it poses health risks she says baby weight oh well that's weight from the baby. Not like I was thinking like baby fat, but I never mind. But it's like, is I just, and only really you can answer this question. I don't need you to update us, but like, is it because he wants you

to like be hot aesthetically? Like, you know, cause, and if you start to gain weight at this weight, like it's obviously going to be more, or is it because it poses a risk like really how overweight are you sorry to ask that question because if it's the first one hate goodbye like I hate you yeah if it's the second one like it's so annoying to hear but it's not without merit yeah but there are ways to say it and if he was saying it in like the health concern kind of way he obviously failed I just don't think there's a way to say it that's ever gonna I know that's ever gonna feel okay where it's like oh well he said it right like no it's still the same message even if it's you know it's a dog shit message it's also like something you really have to come to on your own like because I speak from experience where I was like I used to think like yeah I'll get pregnant but now like

when I think back on my weight loss journey like so much of it was like I really couldn't not from like a fertility perspective like I don't know how safe it would have been for me to have gotten pregnant at that weight and I'm not pregnant I don't plan on being pregnant but it's something I think about yeah no and plenty of like people are pregnant and they get pregnant overweight and everything's fine and it's not necessarily like a bad thing but it can pose higher risk so that's just something like a bad thing but it can pose higher risk so that's just something to think about but but it really doesn't sound like that's what he was saying from like it sounds like he was like giving like for the aesthetic well then

he can go fuck himself and i hate him okay and it's like and it's oh she cursed no and in the swear jar was that the only time you cursed no i think i've been cursing this man for the last totally by the way and i totally was not like paying attention to the whole episode i mean like i don't pay attention when i curse. Let us know in the comments. But, and I just like, and it's not as if, and it's your body. So it's like, it's not as if you're not aware of these things, you know? So it's like for him to say, it's like, okay, thanks Captain Obvious. Like thanks dick.

Go fuck yourself. No, totally. Totally. And it's like, it's your body. So if you decide that like you're, that this amount of weight is like, okay, to get pregnant again. Like I didn't lose all my Harry weight before, but I got to a place where I was like, okay,

this is a good amount and I feel comfortable getting like, it's my choice to make. Yeah. Also, I just feel like nobody's ever sat someone down and talk to them about their weight. Like even from a real, even the person who does it in the best way,

like really coming from a place, a place of love and concern for their health. Like even if you in a hypothetical have, but there's just no. No, I'm sorry. You know, let me finish. Okay. Even if they did it in the best way and gotten through to the person,

like it's really something you have to come to on your own. Yeah. And there's no good way to do it. Nothing anybody could have ever said to me to make me think that like, to inspire me to go on my health journey. Like it really was something that took me like 10 years to come to. And some people come to it faster. Some people come to it slower. Some people don't come to it.

No one sitting a person down, like it doesn't help. No, no, it doesn't work. And he needs to get that memo. And it's like for you, it's like,

you'll make the decision within yourself. It's like some people want to gain the weight and then lose all the weight before they gain more. Some people want to just kind of like pile it on and then i'll lose it all when they're done different strokes for different folks yeah and so i know you or you don't have to lose a weight right or some people don't and they're fine but also some people don't have like the issues we have like it's just like i had a baby and then i lost some weight like how i had a baby and then i lost my baby weight and like yeah it just fell off no but it did not even fell off like you know nine months on nine months off like unless i work at it i won't be losing right the rest of my baby

weight right but not everyone's like that yeah it's so crazy so you decide for yourself how you want it to go and then you tell him how it's gonna go and he'll be lucky if he's still around to see how it goes and he'll be lucky if he's around to father child number two. Right. Sorry you're going through that girlie. Sorry to all the girlies who are clearly struggling today. I'm so like annoyed. Ugh. You know what we need? Lunch. Speaking of gaining weight.

Lunch. I think we're gonna go to the farmer's market or something. Like I'm hungry. Oh yeah I'm gonna take Turdy to a market so that she can get Turdy tings. And I'm excited about that. That to a market so that she can get Turdy Tings. And I'm excited about that. That's our show. Thank you so much for listening to the test of money.

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