The Toast - Food For Thought: Tuesday, February 4th, 2025

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

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Good morning, millennials. Welcome back to the toast. And what is it? Oh my God, no. It's only the day of the chews. I'm sorry to break that news to you. It's kind of jarring. Yeah, it is Tuesday.

Feels like it could be a little later in the week, but. Feels like it should be a little later in the week. But. Feels like it should be a little later in the week. But you know what? Let's acknowledge the space that we're in. Be grateful for it. It ain't Monday. And it's gonna be a fantastic Tuesday if we decide it. I'm wearing the sweater that you got me for Secret Santa.

I see that. And I am so excited to see it. They picked out a home and called it Holiday House. If you're listening to this podcast for Secret Santa the year before this one, that would be 2023. Because you're not using the Royal's Rice of coccidinia pillows.

Oh, I'm not. Jackie, I got Jackie and she got me custom stationery, which is such a good gift, which I can't lie, I haven't used because I haven't written something with my hands since 1972. And this, what appears to be Taylor Swift merch, but it's not, it's from a very cute custom Etsy store. If Taylor Swift sold merch for her house in Rhode Island,

this is what she would sell. Yeah, it's such a cute sweatshirt. I'm so glad you're wearing it. It is, me too. There's nothing better than people enjoying your gifts. I completely agree. Like nothing worse than like, never seeing a gift that you got for someone.

Yeah, yeah. Like where in the world is that gift? Like you kind of forget the, oh, speaking of forgetting, today's an important day. Every day is an important day, but Mani Shanaha Laila Hase. Because one year ago today on this show, we asked our listeners to remind us of something.

Okay. Do you know what I'm talking about? No. Okay, neither did I, and I need to shout out the toaster who reminded me. Legally Blonde 2? No. Okay, neither did I, and I need to shout out the toaster who reminded me. Legally Blonde 2? No, no, Jackie, it is so random and so niche. Keeping up with sports?

No. Oh, she submitted it anonymously, so I don't know her name. Okay, so one year ago today, you know what, let me pose it in a different way. When you think of the name Darius Rucker, what comes to mind? I saw him perform once, wagon wheel, an icon.

In his personal life, scandals, do you have any? DUI. So one year ago today, Darius Rucker was like pulled over and arrested for like two or three misdemeanors of driving with an expired registration, casual passing of a controlled substance,

these really weird charges. And you and I were fully convinced it was a conspiracy to take Darius down because everyone drives without a registry and they don't get arrested for it. Registry, registration, excuse me. And we had asked, we said, this is not gonna affect Darius' career.

I bet in a year we won't even remember that Darius Rucker got arrested. He had a mugshot and everything. And thank you to the toaster who reminded me, it has been one entire year and I had no idea what this girl was talking about. I had to go back and watch the episode of us talking about Darius Rucker

because I was so confused. That is so funny. I definitely, there's a little sprinkle of like, what did Darius do? But certainly- No, there's not. No, there's not. No, but that's, you asked me what I think of him

and I do feel like there's a sprinkle of what did Darius do but it didn't affect the way I see Darius. It could never affect the way that you and I see Darius. Yeah, like he still to me is like the wagon wheel guy, legend. Yep. Has an effect on his career. Like America's sweetheart. Right. and I see Darius. Yeah, like he still to me is like the wagon wheel guy, legend. Has an effectiveness. Like America's sweetheart. Right.

Okay, so just wanted to remind everyone that, and what's so funny is on the episode. And I hate to be the one to bring it up. Yeah, so on the episode, what we were saying is that like, it's such a conspiracy against Darius to take down a good man. And here we are like perpetuating that. We reminded everyone, we said everyone would forget.

We made it news last year when honestly it wasn't even newsworthy. And now here we are again, a year bringing it up and we claim that like we are worth the best for Darius. And here we are like we are actively working against Darius is good name. Okay, well now we also actively have to all bury it in our minds and move on.

You know, like it's gonna take mental fortitude to forget this once again. Now we also actively have to all bury it in our minds and move on, you know? Like it's gonna take mental fortitude to forget this once again, but we're gonna forget. Because to Darius is a rest record, I wanna forgive you and I wanna forget you. It's such a good quote. I love how you say it every time. I say it all the time.

I said it yesterday, it's such a good quote and it's more relevant than ever. Like when, A, when you think about the context, like Heidi and Spencer, we're literally still talking about Heidi and Spencer to this day, but also like sometimes, yeah, it's kind of like the best thing you can say to someone. Like, yeah, I want to forgive you,

but I want to forget you. Like it's almost like indifference. Yeah, but it's like, if I'm going to forget you anyway, why do I have to forgive you? Why bother? Yeah, and Lauren was like hella dramatic because now we all know like in hindsight, like there really wasn't much she have to forgive you? Why bother? Yeah, and Lauren was like hella dramatic because now we all know like in hindsight, like there really wasn't much she needed to forgive Heidi

for just like getting a boyfriend. Then there's like the sex tape stuff. Oh, I don't remember that. I think they wronged her. Yeah, well, I wanna forgive her and I wanna forget her. Yeah, well, good, cause it's the one you got. It's a gargy party day. It's Tuesday, good, because it's the one you got. It's a gargy, pargy day. It's Tuesday, a little programming update

for the community, if I can just take a minute. So today's episode is very special. At the end of the regular episode- It's not only the one year anniversary of Darius Rucker getting in some legal trouble. Forgetting it again, now I'm going back to forgetting. And it is the one year anniversary of Darius Rucker getting into some legal trouble.

It's also a pargy day, where we have a pargy episode. At the end of today's episode, my bestie Brian Kelly is on the episode. We recorded last week to talk about his new book, which is all travel. You know, we ended up talking about like Darcy Silver from 90 Day Fiance. But there's really good stuff in there.

So it's at the end of today's episode instead of Deer Toasters. Deer Toasters has been moved to Thursday, which is usually a light day for us. So tomorrow will be our Real Housewives of Beverly Hills recap. Thursday will be Deer Toasters and Friday will be Thursday, which is usually a light day for us. So tomorrow will be our Real Housewives of Beverly Hills recap. Thursday will be Dear Toasters and Friday will be Queenie and Weenie.

So just a little programming update. And Southern Charm. Don't forget about Southern Charm. I'll never let you guys down. I did forget about Southern Charm. I'm sorry. Oh, do we have it as story? Do we have what as story?

Page's comments? Yes, we do. Okay, okay. Okay, cause then I wanted to talk about it at the top of the show if we didn't. We do have it as a story. And speaking of books, I finished my book for the Redheads last night.

It was so good. We are recording today and I'm so excited. And after all the turmoil of my choice this month, if you've been keeping up, like I chose a book that just wasn't available. It's been really hard for you. And then I kind of scrambled and I chose this book. It all really worked out and I'm so excited to record.

Jackie, everything happens for a reason, you know? Yeah. So I'm very excited to record the Redheads with my girlies and you should read the book is all I'll say, but I'm not gonna push it on you. I actually bought the book last night and I didn't read a word of it, but I bought it, so that's the first step. And I've now read two books this month. I'm getting back into reading and it's gonna take a little effort, but I think it's worth the effort. I absolutely love that. I did something kind of insane last night. What did you do?

Jackie. What did you do? I did something kind of crazy last night. Crack? Crazier. Meth? Crazier. I had a Napoleon for dessert.

I thought you were gonna say you watched Napoleon. That would be crazier. It's more likely that I would eat a Napoleon than watch Napoleon. Anything else. What a shame that that wasn't a good Napoleon biopic. Cause I really feel like we could use one. Yeah. Okay. Can we get back to the dessert really quickly?

Cause I had this sort of like Renaissance with an, I've never looked at a dessert menu. When you look at the dessert menu, what are you like always looking for? What's like your go-to safe option that if they have it, you'll just order it if you're doing dessert. Like I like an apple pie.

I like a toll house cookie, like a cookie cake sort of thing. Like a skillet. A cookie and a skillet with vanilla ice cream. I don't really go for- I fucking love a skillet. Someone else would order like the brownie and I would have a bite, but I would never order it. I wouldn't go for like chocolate cake.

I like carrot cake. I know that that's offensive to you. It's deeply. And that's about it. It has to be something like super parts. You're like caramel, vanilla, apple, yum. I pretty much always will go for the warm chocolate cake like at any restaurant,

especially like a kosher restaurant. It's their specialty, like a warm chocolate cake. So when I was out to dinner last night, I was at a kosher restaurant and they didn't have a warm chocolate cake and I was ready to pass, but something in my pregnancy, it's like I'm physically unable to move on without dessert.

Like lunch, dinner, breakfast, I have to have a sweet treat. Like- Baby wants dessert. It's so true. So- Baby was craving a Napoleon? My friend, Margot, was like, the Napoleon's here is really good.

I'm like, okay, sure. Like I don't even know what a Napoleon is. It's so, I don't know why I think of a Napoleon and I think of that scene in Hannah Montana, but I know that that's a baked Alaska. Baked Alaska is disgusting. I agree. It's so, I don't know why I think of a Napoleon and I think of that scene in Hannah Montana, but I know that that's a baked Alaska. Baked Alaska is disgusting. I agree. It's so gross.

I completely agree, but- Inedible, I know you get distracted by the flames, but the taste is disgusting. I completely agree. And it's, it's what? It's like liquor burned with marshmallow? Yeah, yeah, it's a marshmallow liquor burn for sure. Okay, that sounds right.

So I was very apprehensive, I'm not gonna lie. Like a Napoleon just gives baked Alaska. And let me tell you, Jackie, I think you would love it. It was, I can't recommend that next time you go out with it, if they have a Napoleon, just grab it. It's so light and fluffy and airy. It obviously wasn't filling enough, but it did satiate like my sweet tooth for the moment.

It was delicious. I definitely had Napoleon before, and it kind of reminds me of that cake from Cipriani that we love, like the top of it. A little bit. It's actually not similar at all. The top of that cake also ventures into baked Alaska territory sometimes

when they hit with the flame torch too much. I do feel like the vanilla lemon meringue cake from Cipriani is kind of in a league of its own when it comes to desserts. And if any of our listeners are coming to New York anytime soon and they want to see like the latest and greatest, I highly recommend getting like the $30 piece of cake from Chipriani. It's huge by the way. You could split it with two or three people and it's probably the most, you know what? Two people max. I'm gonna get it. You should. I think it travels well. They're on like Caviar.

And also the good thing about Chipriani is- I could get my fat ass up and go. Like I could just go sit in the restaurant. All the food there is also so good at every location. They have high standards. That cake is different. Like that cake, I don't know what they put in it. Crack. And honestly, we have to thank Brian Kelly for introducing us to it.

Do you remember when we had it for the first time? Oh, when we went to his ball. Yeah, he had like a table at a charity event. Was it Amphar or something? Amphar. And the caterer, Amphar or something? Amphar. And the caterer, that's so us, like Amphar. When we were at Amphar, we just dined on Cipriani. The catering was Cipriani, like the food was so good.

Like it was pasta. And by the end, we were like, yeah, we'll try this cake. And we were sitting with Heather and McMahon and we all took a bite and we looked at each other and we were like, oh my God, it's actual heroin. Yeah, and now every time we find ourselves at Cibriani, we have a piece of the cake and it's so good. And when I was pregnant, I would order from there

once in a while as a sweet treat and I would always get the cake and it always hits. That's so brilliant. I can't believe I just, like I'm now thinking of that because over the weekend I was, I'm really in my sweets era. I ordered Magnolia bakery. I got like a full piece of cake and two cupcakes, so good.

And it travels really well. So I've really been like looking for delicious sweet treats. Of course I have my 40 carrots frozen yogurt almost every single day. And how did I not think of the lemon meringue cake? You need to order that cookie that we got from that road PR package that one time. Do you remember that sprinkle cookie?

Yeah, of course I do. Of course I do. And what company was it? It was called like Deluscious. I'm on their mailing list because I did place an order for them after Haley introduced us to that cookie. And it's, and I'm not even a sprinkle cookie

like kind of person. I don't like like rainbow sprinkles, yucky. The cookie was the best cookie we've ever had. Do you see Melissa Gorga's launching her own line of sprinkle cookies, which I don't, I actually think it's like a cutesy idea, but I don't think it bodes well for the future of Real Housewives of New Jersey.

I actually saw Margaret Joseph's last week, or was that this week? No, last week at Brian, everything's coming back to Brian today at his book party. And I was like, what is going on with the show? She's like, I have no idea. Like they, she, and she, if she had tea, she would tell me. Like, and I wouldn't tell you guys, but I could say she,

she's like, I have no idea. You just wouldn't say that there was nothing brewing. I wouldn't bring it up. She was like, I have heard nothing. We have no clue. Nobody does. Wow, I did see a sprinkle cookies. Like, love that. I wonder what the operation looks like, you know?

Like, did you get the factor? Or is it like a collab with a local bakery? And is it like a family recipe? What's the recipe? Because wasn't the point of the sprinkle cookies that they were like bought from the store? Right, she brought me sprinkle cookies. So I just like to know more.

And you know what? I've actually never had a pinoli cookie, which is what Teresa had preferred in that moment. I don't even know what those look like. Now I need to Google a pinoli. I feel like it's those rainbow cookies. I feel like we're so good guys today, like just talking about food the whole time.

Yeah. Oh, we also have to talk about the good guys. By the way, Pi-no-ly cookies are a traditional Italian treat originated in Sicily. They're almond and chewy. They look disgusting. Teresa's so wrong for this, by the way. How has nobody ever dug into what she's actually saying?

Well, sprinkle cookies are not the best. They're very generic and whatever. They are amazing in comparison to what I'm looking at, this pinoli cookie. They're on Goldbelly, maybe I'll send you some. Please don't, I hate almonds. Even though I have heard that almonds help with pregnancy heartburn,

I don't think they're thinking you're gonna eat it in a cookie, they're hoping that you'll eat them raw. But I can make my own way in this world. Yeah, worth trying. The good guys, did you hear the big news? Josh, about Josh. His wife? Yeah.

Yes, Josh's wife. The pecs are expecting. They are expecting. Oh, that's cute. They should have asked you for help with their captions cause that's a good one. I wouldn't have even thought of it. I have to live in the, you know, it has to just come at me.

Josh is expecting his third child and he told Ben on the podcast like two weeks ago and obviously like it's such an exciting time because we're both pregnant, the good guys and the good gals like bringing, you know, Jewish babies into this world. But Josh was like actually like, and that's how I know like Josh is a good friend

because he was like, I didn't want to even remotely like have any like step on Claudia's moment and you know how much my moment's mean to me because I'm an actual four year old and I can't even tell you like have any like step on Claudia's moment. And you know how much my moment means to me because I'm an actual four year old. And I can't even tell you like, that's the best gift he could have gotten me. He does not owe me any gifts. I don't want his registry, nothing.

Like it was such a kind and thoughtful thing to say for like the crazy person in your life, like myself. Right, so did they like delay when they would have announced? I don't know, but he delayed even like telling Ben. Like he just wanted Ben to have his moment first time dad. Like so thoughtful. I was like actually taken aback by the generosity.

Like that to me, like means a lot. That's really, really sweet. Did they say gender based on gender? They're not finding out. Do they find out for their first two? I don't know. And actually I wanted to ask you a question because I was with my friend Rachel last night

and she's pregnant and she doesn't know what she's having. And she says, when you go to the ultrasound, do you see the penis? And I'm like, no. The ultrasound tech can see it. And maybe if you have an expert eye or you know where to look, then maybe you could see it as a lay person.

But no, you don't even really know what you're looking at. And sometimes they'll point and be like, that's the penis, but you would never know that that was the penis if they didn't tell you. Okay, so that's what I said. I'm like, Rachel, no, I've never seen the penis in my life. Like you can tell the tech that like you're not finding out, but like you're not, you can,

she's like, I'm looking away during my scans. I'm like, no, look at the scans. You're not gonna see it. And it's not even like, you'll be able to. She might like think that she sees something and then she'll think, like she might like clue herself into something and she could be wrong. Like I understand looking away so that you don't like

convince yourself of something. No, cause I'm sorry. What they're gonna have breasts if they're a girl. Like there's no, there's literally no way to see on a sonogram or any sort of imaging if you're having a boy or a girl. I don't know. A little penis could be a fleck of something.

If you've been there before, like now I've done like two separate pregnancies of sonograms every time they like see the penis, they're like, oh, that's a penis. So like say next time I didn't want to know, but I kind of knew what I was looking for, I might be able to figure it out. Or at the very least, I would think I knew.

That's what Josh said. He said that they're not finding out the gender until a nurse ruins it by accident. Right, and you also have to tell the nurse cause they might know and then they'll just use pronouns. Yeah. But I feel like they're trying to be like, baby's doing this, baby's doing that.

Yeah, actually my physical therapist was telling me a story about how she didn't wanna know gender and then like literally at the ninth month, the doctor accidentally slipped a pronoun. Oh my goodness. Yeah, which I get seriously not the doctor's fault. Like how in the hell do you refer to this thing? Like, it would just say it,

like I could totally understand how it happens, but that just sucks. And when you were at the physical therapist, were you wearing your pants or no? No, I'm never wearing my pants at physical therapy. Like I'm going today and I'm just going, I literally, it's kind of crazy how I leave my house for an hour to get fingered and I come back.

Like, and I just waltz into my husband, like nothing happened. It's seriously, but I do want to say my pelvic muscles are getting much stronger. Should we do our Kegels together? Actually haven't done them today. Come on, ready? Okay.

Relax, uncross your legs. Oh, that's hard for me. Now we're going to inhale and relax our badge. Exhale and kegel. That's one. That's two. That's three. That's four. I'm not, you're not doing it. That's five. That's four.

I'm not, you're not doing it. That's five. I am. I don't see you breathing. I'm not a big breather. Ask Dr. Fox. He said I have a runner's pulse. Breathing so overrated.

He says I have a runner's pulse. You should, oh, I'm so glad you brought that up. They're going on 5K again? The 5K is happening. They just announced it. It's in Florida. What? It's in Tampa.

I did it last year. I think you have to do it. You and Zach can do it together. Okay. Like twist my arm, okay. Okay, I think you only have like a month or two though. Oh no, I think it's in May. That's fine, I can run a 5K.

Like, I mean, I could train and get a- Oh, she doesn't need like a full training like I did. No, no, I could train to get a- She doesn't need like a full training like I did. No, no, I could train to get a better time, but like I could do it. So yeah, maybe I'll go do it. Hobnob with some podcasters, rub elbows. Jelly Roll's doing it again. And you can tell how much you love that song.

You ain't nothing but a liar. I wonder who else is doing it. Like I need some friends. You know me, I'm so shy. They usually announce. I'm really so shy. I don't know if I could do it is doing it. I kind of need some friends. You know me, I'm so shy. I'm really so shy. I don't know if I could do it like without you. I had Josh and Ben like by my side. Let's see.

Big bear. What was it called? 5K? Big bear. What are they called? Two bears, 1K? Two bear, 5K? Two bears, 5K.

Bears. Two bears, 5K. I think that's what it's called. Yeah. So sometimes they announce like which stars are gonna be there. Jelly Roll. Wait, when is it?

When is it? May 4th, May 4th. Oh, okay. That's enough time. Yeah, yeah, no, I just thought maybe I could like sync up a trip to Tampa with something else I was planning to do out west. Rascal Flats. Yeah.

Oh, I finally like gave a proper listen to. Rascal Flats. Yeah. Oh, I finally gave a proper listen to the Rascal Flats Jonas Brothers collab and I have to say it's such a beautiful, inspiring song. I actually started getting a little teared up when I was listening to it the other day. It's as good as it should be. We put a lot of pressure on it because these are two important bands.

And six people can't get one song. And by the way, let me just say, I feel like I actually am consciously aware when I'm listening to the song, how many people are singing. It's a lot of cooks in the kitchen. It's a lot of voices, and I feel like Nick maybe had a part in writing it,

or a part in making this happen, because he sings a little bit more than Joe, and he never sings more than Joe. These days, it's like Joe's the lead singer. We've just sort of all accepted that. And I'm hearing a lot of Nick. Yeah, and then they got to compete with Gary. And it's like, they thought they both were the number one guy

in this group. And then like Gary comes through and it's like, children sit down. Like, let me show you how the big boys do it. It's a really beautiful song. Like, I love it. It is really beautiful. All the credit to the Rascal Flats.

And where is that Grammy? Do rascal flats have a Grammy? Probably. I'm gonna say probably. A country album, country song. God bless the broken road. God bless. They don't.

Four nominations, zero wins. The Grammys are a disgusting enterprise. Like I don't know why we're surprised. Like why do we care? Who would want a Grammy, honestly? But based on how disgusting they are, like would you want like something disgusting? No.

Would I want something that Rascal Flatts don't have? No. No. No. Damn. Oh my God. How have we already been talking for 20 minutes? What did we talk about?

Cookies, food, Napoleon. Oh yeah, okay so I need to write that down. I have to get that, maybe you know what? I have to, oh, I'm posting a book event tonight with Brian. I'm sorry, I'm like being so annoying about like my friend, right, and it's like, we get it, you have one friend. So I'll be dressed this evening, and then I thought me and Ben would go to dinner.

Maybe I'll go to Cipriani. I love that. And get myself a piece of cake. Yum-o. Yum-o, Jackie-o, yum-o. Yum-o, I wonder if there's a Cipriani down here. Now you're making me hungry. There's definitely one in Miami.

Except they have a salad there that I love, that I've actually Googled the recipe for and made myself and it's really, I mean, it's a simple salad, but like with the dressing. Yeah, there's one in Miami. Okay. I do have a hot take and actually it reminds me of something I was talking about at dinner last night

because we went to like an Italian place that like makes their own pasta. And Cipriani is one of those Italian places that makes their own pasta. It's like clearly not from like a wholesaler. They have to like make it with the dough. And my friend Rachel, who I was just talking about, she married someone who like grew up in Rome.

He's like hardcore Italian. He's American now, but she was talking about the difference because pasta's so important to them. She was like, his name is Ben. Ben also really prefers boxed pasta over handmade because we were saying how handmade pasta's kind of gross. When you go to a restaurant, if I see that they make their own pasta,

I'm like, all right, I'll have the pizza. I don't like, the texture is weird. I think a handmade pasta's gross. She was saying this? Yes, well I was expressing my feelings. I didn't know where the quote ended. I didn't know where like the Rachel quote I was expressing my feelings. The LisaVe, Ben ended.

There was a lot of quotes. Okay, so I was quoting my own self but then it was right after Rachel said like it, even Ben who's like Italian, like prefers it in the box. Interesting. People like really love making their own pasta. I figure I'll try it one day

but we don't really eat a lot of pasta around here. So it's not- I think it's a lot of work and it's like not that good. Like it's like lumpy. Oh, I've heard it's worth it. Oh, I don't think so. No shade to Shannon Ford. Cause I know she makes her own pasta

and she's like really excited about it. But like if I ever come to her house, like I want the blue box. What's the, what is it called? Barilla. I fucking love Barilla. Or did she go? No, I'm a Barilla household. These days I'm a gorilla. I fucking love gorilla. Or did Chico? No, I'm a gorilla household.

These days I'm a jovial girl. I'm actually a jovial girl too. But I'm also a Rayos girl. Rayos, this jarred sauce makes pasta. Oh, oh, oh I knew that. It's fucking amazing. I had it the other night with meatballs. Like it's just, it's what it should be.

Understood. Yeah. Okay. Sorry, I just. Well, not to make you too hungry this morning. Yeah, right. We are being so good, guys coded. We are being so good, girls.

Yeah, we're so good, girls. Should we rebrand? Come for their necks. Yeah, watch out. Yeah. First their billboard, now their necks. Literally. Literally. Okay.

No, after like the graciousness and the grace that Josh gave me, the good guys are on my good side for at least a month. Yeah, they are the good guys after all. And he's in my favorite scene in my movie. Correct. Okay, now without further ado, do, do, do. Here are the fast five stories that you need to know here are the Fast Five Stories that you-da-doo

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and you'll be able to start earning points on your rent payments today. Thank you, turday. You're welcome. A lot of Super Bowl adjacent news today. This is the week we're ramping up towards the Super Bowl, and our first story is about Travis Kelsey and all the annoying questions that reporters are asking him

in his pre-game interviews. Wait, also, total sidebar. Did you see the Associated Press release a statement? I did. It was just like apologizing for cutting off, cutting short Babyface's interview. Oh my God, I've never in my life felt compelled to like leave a hate comment.

I almost did, but I opened the comments and they took care of themselves. I was surprised the Associated Press left the comments on. People were like, it was not, not only was it not a good apology, it was like a text, I don't need to hear from the AP, I wanna hear from the girl. It was just very, and people were not,

it was not sufficient for the community. People were so mad in the comments that I didn't feel like I needed to leave a hate comment. Yeah, I think people are super mad about it. And I mean, she apologized at the end of the show. What more do you actually want to see from her? Like. Nothing, nothing.

I actually don't want to see anything from her. That's the point. And this is what we're always talking about. Like bring back entertainment journalists. You know who wouldn't have done this? Kelty Knight. Like it's an art. It's a skillset.

So like having just a young girl who maybe like has a couple of followers, I don't know who this girl is, but like I don't know where they're finding their talent, but like because we sort of thrown journalism out the window when it comes to these red carpets, this is what you get. Yeah, like I think that's just, she was doing it for the chapel, like her fans or whoever she thought was watching,

like wanted to hear from Chapel Road and they probably aren't offended by it. And okay, that's your community, you know? Great. Great. So Travis Kelsey is naming his favorite Taylor Swift albums, staying tight lipped about reputation TV and also responding to questions about whether or not he's going to propose to Taylor during the halftime.

And we had this conversation last year. I'm sure we'll have it again next year. Like the inappropriate cringe level that some of these reporters get to when they ask Travis questions about Taylor. Don't get me wrong. I want to hear about Taylor too. And there are ways to when they ask Travis questions about Taylor, don't get me wrong, I wanna hear about Taylor too. And there are ways to weave in certain questions, but the outright cringe nature of them should be a crime,

punishable by jail. Are you gonna propose on the field, yeah I am, here's my plan, you wanna see a picture of the ring? Are you guys fucking kidding me? He's obviously not going to propose during that time. Obviously. Also they're already engaged,

you can't propose to somebody you're already engaged to. Right. A Nickelodeon reporter asked what his- Excuse me? A reporter for Nickelodeon asked- Oh, cause they do that like slime bowl, right? Where you can watch the Super Bowl live on Nickelodeon, but it's like Patrick and Squidward playing.

It's cute. So the reporter asked what Travis's favorite Taylor album is and actually I thought- It's not a terrible question. It's like, it's not the most appropriate, but for Nickelodeon, like it's fine. It's fine. I actually thought he would have said 1989

cause like those are his favorite songs, but he said, tortured poets department. He said, of course I'm a little biased. I mean, that's the only one that's about him. Okay. Media trained King. Like tortured poets is obviously the most recent album. We're still promoting it. It just got nominated for all these Grammys. Like, that's a very strategic answer.

No, and it's like, I wouldn't think that there would be a right answer. Like, what's your favorite album? It's not a hard question, but this is the right answer because what are you to say that her best work was behind her? Like, no, the thing that she just put out is the best thing ever.

So true. That would like be so shady. Not only that, like, yeah, her best work was a song she wrote about Joe Jonas. No, bitch, it was about me. Well, you know he loves 1989, like because he loves those radio bops. It's so travy.

This was the right answer, and it's about him. And by the way, we didn't even talk about how when Taylor presented the Best Country Album Award, the song that she walked out to from her TTPD album was so high school, which is so clearly a choice, because that's like not even the most popular song and what's on her single, why wouldn't she walk out to Fortnite? TTPD album was So High School, which is so clearly a choice because that's like not even the most popular song and what's on her single. Why wouldn't she walk out to Fortnite?

That's what she was nominated for. Right. Between the red dress, the T on her upper thigh and then So High School, like cute. She's married. She's married. Sometimes all the signs are right in front of us and we're still speculating.

And it's like, how can we not see? Yeah. So he said he can neither confirm nor deny Rep TV. Yeah, what did we think he was gonna spill to me? And people really need to leave this man alone, like dead seriously. No, the questions are so crazy. And Jackie, I assure you,

they're only gonna get worse from here. He's also was raving about her homemade pop tarts. Yeah, but he's talked about that like once before. I was having deja vu reading this article. Yeah, me too. They must be really good.. I was having deja vu reading this article. Yeah, me too. They must be really good. I don't know. I had a homemade pop tart, no shade to Olivia O'Shea

because I asked her to follow this recipe that I found on Instagram. They were fucking disgusting. Like really gross. But maybe Taylor has a good one. Maybe she should drop the recipe. Well, she should share it. She should share it.

Like her cookie recipe that we made, remember that? We did? On Patreon, we made Taylor's favorite cookies. Oh my God, those chai. Right before midnight. We totally fucked it up. We totally fucked up. We didn't fuck up actually the Instacart

who delivered our groceries, ordered the wrong, bought the wrong things. Yes and it was a brand sent it all to us. Remember? No. Yes, it was like, I don't know which brand it was. It was like in support of like Taylor's new album. Maybe it was Instacart themselves.

They like sent a delivery and it was all the ingredients to make Taylor's favorite cookies. So we're like, okay, let's do it. And we blocked it. It was an Instacart campaign. And like they didn't send chai spices, but they sent chai tea and like we. They send chai tea, we cut open the bags.

We cut open the bags cause we thought maybe those were chai spices in there. We put tea. We made tea cookies. We put tea leaves in there. Tea cookies. It's kind of like smart at the time. Like I don't think it's so dumb.

No, and we also like put them in the blender. And this was before I started baking. So like, I didn't know the different like paddle attachments on the stand mixer. So we used like the whisk instead of the dough whisk. They were a mess. They did not. Available on patreon.com slash the toast.

They did not turn out good. I also don't like chai. And it's no reflection on Taylor's recipe. Her recipe. I love chai. I don't like chai. I love chai. I don't know if you guys know that about me.

Cause I really deny myself chai lattes. Cause it's like an unnecessary calorie expenditure. Okay. But I love them. It's kind of like how you like vanilla beans. People would don't know that about you. Who doesn't like a vanilla bean frappuccino from Starbucks? You know what, maybe I'll get one today.

They're so sugary. They're so fucking delicious. They taste wrong. Yeah, because, well, first of all, like not us drinking them as kids, like thinking we were drinking coffee. Yeah. And they are,

I need to have one, even though I could, I know what it tastes like, even though it's been 15 years since I've had one, I could describe it, like I know exactly what it tastes like. Same with me and a chai latte. Mm, maybe we should just go, live life, throw caution to the wind, have a fucking vanilla bean.

I don't know, I think the come down would just be like so bad. Right, it's like a 15 year hype. No, I mean the come down from the sugar. Sugar, of course. The sugar high and the sugar low. Of course, of course. And I just wanna say back to Taylor's Homemade Pop Tarts,

Pop Tarts themselves actually just had one because I'm quite clearly eating a lot of sugar these days. It's unbelievable. And I know that Pop-Tarts, like the brand name ones are like the first thing RFK is gonna take when he goes. Like I know that they're just like the most horrible things for you and for kids. Let me tell you, it was worth every chemical.

It was fucking delicious. Yeah, I don't think they were the first to go. Like they're definitely- What do you think was the first? I don't know, I just watched this Super Bowl commercial for nerds with Shibuzy and the commercial was amazing, but like nerds, all those dyes- Loved to see Shibuzy out here making money from big candy.

All those dyes, all that sugar, like rotting your teeth, rotting your brain. I loved the commercial and I don't even like nerds, like I think they're nasty and I think that they should be illegal. I don't like nerds either. The fact that whenever Ben and I get candy, Ben always goes for nerds gummy clusters. And what the fuck is nerds rope?

It's gummy clusters in a rope form. They're so not even innovating over there at NerdsHQ. And I think classic nerds, like in a box, like the loose, like seriously, what's the point? What's the point? I agree, I think nerds are like the worst candy. Agree, but I'm happy for Shibuzy that he's in a Super Bowl commercial.

And he's singing, It's a Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong. Like it's quite pargy. Oh my God. But like there's no amount of marketing that could get a nerd to taste good to me. Okay, so nerds are clearly crushing it in the marketing department,

but in the product development team really needs to step their pussies off. Right, in the factory, what could they even do? But I'm also, like I said, I'm not a sprinkles colors girl. Yeah, I happen to like colorful sugary stuff. Nerds don't do it for me. Yeah, we're talking so much about food this episode.

I wonder why. I had a balanced breakfast. I'm not particularly starving starving, you know, more so than usual. I don't know, just when it rains it pours. Sometimes it's kind of that time of year. Sometimes it's the Kardashians, sometimes it's Taylor and Travis,

and sometimes it's food. It's food, I love that. Well, I hope people like really stop embarrassing themselves. They won't, like it's only Tuesday and we've got six more days. This week when it comes to Travis, like people, and I get it.

Like I've never met either of them. I'm sure I would be a freak. What if I ever met either of them and got to ask them a question, but like people really need to like control themselves a little bit better around these two. I agree. Our next story.

And by the way, they both handle it so well. Him especially, like he's such a jokester. I don't think anything offends him and it's really actually refreshing, but I'm offended on his behalf. And he has to do just for like by the nature of his job, like a couple of press conferences a week. So he's just like putting himself in the position

of like being asked stupid questions quite a bit. Taylor doesn't do interviews. Like, so it's like all the questions you would want to ask Taylor that are stupid, you put them on Travis now. People have found an outlet. Like I wonder if he has any threshold for when he would be bothered by these questions.

Like, is there anything that they could ask that would just be too far? Cause I'm sorry, like, are you gonna propose during halftime for me? That would be the line for me. Yeah, that's such a good point. He's such a good sport about it. I'm sure like, if it's an inappropriate question,

like it, but like the sports, sports doesn't do that. Like sports is very PG. Yeah. They're just weird. Yeah. People are so weird and they have no shame. I mean, it comes back to what we're always saying, bring back shame in media literacy. Right.

Our next story, a little more Super Bowl news. All the performers, we haven't talked about national anthem, America the Beautiful. So here is who is performing at the 2025 Super Bowl. Oh wait, I'm so excited. Yes, so the national anthem will be sung by John Batiste. Okay, you know what? I think that has a lot of potential.

I'm not familiar with his work so much. That's crazy because I actually think you would love him too, like his vibe. He's like a concert pianist. I look forward to the introduction. There's like a very famous popular book out that was actually written by his wife. I feel like you probably have like seen or heard of it.

I'm on my way. I believe she had cancer. Did she go by Batiste as well? I don't think so. Between Two Kingdoms. She doesn't go by Batiste. It's called Between Two Kingdoms. Good Choice Awards for best memoir.

Yeah, I believe she had cancer. Oh wow. And the book is about that. And it's a memoir. Oh, that does sound good. And it's like, I see it all the time. And then I found out that it's John Batiste's wife. Wow.

Yeah, like so random, but cute. That is cute. Well, I'm looking forward to the performance then. I fucking love that national, like that's the best part of the Super Bowl for me. Seeing everyone cry. Yeah, I'm looking forward to the performance then. I fucking love that national. Like that's the best part of the Super Bowl for me. Seeing everyone cry. Yeah, it's the best part. When I watched the- So much pressure.

The semi-finals or whatever it's called. When the Chiefs ever almost crying. Like they just cut to like these random players who I don't know, but like I'm sure are really famous. And they just like blink and then a tear falls. Like seriously, kill me. I'm so upset. Yeah. I know. I'm very upset. Yeah. I love it.

No, I'm very excited. And it's been really good the last few years. Like I feel like they do a good job of selecting people who have got the chops. So I look forward to that. Then America the Beautiful will be performed by Trombone Shorty alongside Christian music singer Lauren Daigle.

Ooh. I don't know who Trombone Shorty is. His roots run deep in New Orleans as he's performed at the city's iconic jazz festival, the Superbowl's in New Orleans. So I'm sure. Oh, so is he playing the trombone? Is that what it is?

Like I'm going to glean that he's playing the trombone as Trombone Shorty. I'm gonna say that. And in this picture, he's playing a trombone. I think it's a safe bet. Tapping a Christian music singer for a song like this is really pargy, because it elicits the same sort of

soulful response, both songs. So, and Lauren Daigle has an amazing voice. Yeah. You say I am lost when I am falling down. So good. So good, and then Lift Every Voice and Sing will be performed by La DC, who was also a New Orleans native.

That's nice that they're, you know, like showcasing hometown talent. And John Batiste is a New Orleans native. So that's obviously the theme. Oh, that's really nice. Yeah, I look forward to seeing what everyone brings to the stage. Yeah, lots of pressure. Like a lot of pressure coming from me.

Yeah, totally agree. And then as we know, Kendrick Lamar is the halftime show. Sis is coming out. And now I'm actually extra excited for Kendrick Lamar's halftime show, given that his song was so popular. It's true. And I look forward to hearing it in the context.

Everything's kind of coming up Kendrick. It is. I finished watching some of the Grammy stuff last night. Oh yeah, I need to hear your take Grammy stuff last night because I told you guys, I needed to watch Charlie XCX because I feel like I'm really hard on her and I'm not like going off of that much material, just the things that I've seen. So I was like, the Grammys, that's like,

that's best Charlie. And it's exactly what I think it is. It's not for you. It's not for me, but she's very much for her. Like she, I don't think she's making music and planning her performances to cater to me, you know? No, it's like club brat, like, you know, scene. Yeah, and I was like thinking back

cause they were like doing an introduction of brat, brat summer. And I was like remembering why I have such like a bad taste in my mouth from brat. And it was because she said like, brat is about like forgetting about your moral compass. Your moral compass. Out moral compass. And to was because she said like, Brad is about like forgetting about your moral compass. Like out moral compass. And to me, that's where I leave you.

A moral compass never goes out of style. Like you can have fun. Moral compass never goes out of style. You can have fun. You can be messy. It's true. Late nights. But like we want to keep that compass intact.

We do. Oh, I have to tell you what's going on on TikTok. Alex Earl is doing the craziest thing. What is she doing? So one of her best friends, Sally is turning 24. And you on TikTok. Alex Earl is doing the craziest thing. What is she doing? So one of her best friends, Sally, is turning 24. And you know, like Alex Earl is a party girl. Is Sally your real name? Or like you're just calling her Sally?

Okay, I feel like that's what we call people when we don't know their names. It gives pseudonym energy, but know her name is Sally. It gives sexier Morgan. She has decided for her 24th birthday, like this last weekend, to celebrate, to commemorate her 24th birthday by throwing a 24 hour party. I saw Alex Earl getting ready for a 24 hour party.

So they started at like 7 a.m. and then they like partied all day into the night, into the next morning. They went to like brunch, they went to a club, and she has been like vlogging the experience but like not, like every minute of every hour. I need to know how. And I was a party girl in my day,

but I had my limits, you know? How the fuck do you do that? Drugs? I don't know. Even just an Adderall? Yeah, maybe an Adderall. I'm not gonna jacuz Alex Arvon, but an Adderall. No, no, I would never.

It's just like, seriously, it's the craziest thing to be young. Yeah, especially cause alcohol like makes you sleepy at a certain point. Of course. Now I have to imagine like maybe in the morning hours, like they were brunching, like just doing like mimosas. Like maybe they weren't really drunk until like that night.

They were just like a little buzz. That's the only way I think you could get through it. Yeah, so the 24 hours are up, but Alex is like posting the videos slowly. Yes, and I think she's gonna like, she just launched like a YouTube channel when TikTok was down, which was very smart of her. So I imagine it'll all be on her long form content.

So the day is done, but like we haven't seen how it ends yet. The day is done and you know, TikTok like serves you content like days later. So I'm just like finally catching up with Alex Earls weekend. And I seriously think it's the craziest thing ever. I can't get over it. That is crazy, but that is really fun.

A fun way to spend your 24th birthday and- And make content. And make content, except like it's for Sally, who was just doing it for Sally self. Yeah. Happy birthday Sally. Happy birthday to Sally. Happy birthday to Sally. Let me know how it ends.

Yeah. Are you ready for our third story? Yeah. Paige Sorbo is clarifying her Craig Conover breakup timeline after baseless cheating rumors. So Paige is pissed, I would say. I think so too. Paige set the record straight on the timeline of her breakup from ex Craig Conover

after facing baseless cheating rumors. She said on the latest episode of Giggly Squad, quote, I never in the three years that I dated my ex boyfriend, I never physically cheated on him, emotionally cheated on him. Can you mentally cheat on him? I don't know, but I didn't, she said.

She then clarified that her and Craig broke up one month before they announced their split in December 2024. She said, since no one's sticking up for me on either side, I will say that Craig and I broke up Thanksgiving weekend, okay? That's at the end of November. Craig then went on and did press for Southern Charm, did whatever he needed to do, acting as if we were still together, and that was fine. I said that he could do that. He was processing in his own way. However, after Christmas passed, Paige noticed that Craig was presenting himself as single

while on a trip, which led her to believe he was ready to announce their split. She claimed that she texted him to give him a heads up that she would be sharing the news on Giggly Squad to start moving forward. She said, my text went unanswered. Fine. The breakup episode came out at the end of December.

She said the narrative surrounding their breakup took a turn really quickly as cheating rumors went viral. Despite recently being linked to a new man, the reality star stated that she is currently single. She said, let me say this here and now, I did not move on with some new guy. I am single. I don't have a new boyfriend.

I did not cheat on my ex-boyfriend. It was a full month that we were broken up and I didn't say anything because even though we are public, there are certain things that I think should have remained private and he and I didn't say anything because even though we are public, there are certain things that I think should have remained private and he asked me not to say anything. Okay, I feel bad for Paige and I do wanna tell her, because she's very much at the center of this, right?

As an outsider who consumes media chronically online, I can tell you normal folks, and we do not think you cheated, do not worry. I think that this is plaguing you because who wants to be painted as a cheater when they're not? And I wanna tell you, nobody thinks that. Real ones, never thought. The crazyvo, like yes, for sure.

And I can only imagine what she has to deal with. Cause when we were just talking about the AI generated fake news, I get on Facebook, literally all about Craig and Paige, it must be really fucking annoying. And I can sympathize with that, but I wanted her to know the true normies out here, we don't think that.

We never thought that there was the Marcello thing, but it was quickly debunked like normies with their heads above water. Like we got you. Nobody thinks you cheated on Craig. No real ones never thought she cheated on Craig. Never thought there was any bad blood or bad behavior. And I'm glad to like know this time.

Like, cause I would have assumed they broke up like a week or two before the announcement. But a month is a long time. A lot can happen in a month. A lot of like moving on can happen. So a month and say six weeks later was when she was at the Eagles game with the new guy. Like that's when you're ready to maybe go on a date,

especially if you are looking for something or even just looking for something fun. And just because she went to a football game with someone, like doesn't mean that that's her boyfriend. No, and sometimes like you just go on a date to like get yourself out of the house. Like it's not the true love and you're really not ready. Like who fucking, literally she doesn't owe us an explanation

as to her reasoning as to why she went on a date with someone. But the thing that makes me so sad about this, and I feel like this is the second time she said it, is like she's clearly mad at Craig for not like speaking out on her behalf. And she said that like no one's sticking up for her on his side.

That's the second time she said that. And I feel like the bad blood is like really brewing between these two. Like what once was amicable, perhaps is not. Yeah, I think she would like him to say, like Paige never cheated on me. Even though I feel like when he said his statement, he, like again, people, real ones like know that

he doesn't think that she cheated on him. Now maybe some people like need it to be explained to them again, but like when he put out his statement, like it all seemed amicable and they broke up for the exact reasons why people thought they might not work out, which is that like, they don't work out. But also Craig hasn't spoken about it yet.

Like he hasn't done an interview and I'm sure he will. I'm sure I'll go on like Watch Happens Live or something. So he hasn't had, I mean, he could have, yes, for sure. Like made an Instagram story telling people to like fuck off, but he hasn't spoken his truth yet. I think that like- He posted that one Instagram story. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

But like if they broke up because of cheating, like that would have been when he would have like been mad and he wasn't mad. No, he wasn't mad, but he did like want everyone to know that like he got broken up with. That was like his overall, that was a takeaway from that video. Was that like, yeah, I'm sad because I got broken up with.

Yes, but if there was cheating, like he would have said that. No, of course, by the way, because there was no cheating. Of course, because there was no cheating. So I feel like he maybe have said that. No, of course, by the way, because there was no cheating. Of course, because there was no cheating. So I feel like he maybe thinks like, he didn't need to clear anything up because he shared his side of it on the stoop that day. And I sympathize with Paige,

I imagine it's so frustrating, like Bravo fandom is like really crazy and they just like make stuff up. So, and when something is like damaging to your character, like cheating is a pretty heinous allegation. So I want her to know, like, I understand why you had to speak out, but just know you didn't have to.

We didn't think that. We never thought that about you. No, we never ever thought that. Disgraceful. So yeah, things seem to be getting a little more contentious between the two of them, but you know what? Those are breakups. Like, I feel like everyone has these ideas.

And especially when the person might start dating someone next, like that's when you really realize that it's over. And it's also really nice. I feel like the last two breakups that we were talking about between like influencers, public figures was like- Brianna Chicken Fry. Brianna Chicken Fry and Rachel and Matt.

And like in both scenarios, they were both saying how they just wish they had time to process the breakup privately and like that would have made things easier on them despite being heartbroken. And it's like, this is that. Like they had time to process the breakup privately and that would have made things easier on them despite being heartbroken. And it's like, this is that. They had a month and that's all, I mean, a month would have been amazing for either of those people.

They were asking for a day. Could I get that max a week? So it is really nice that the hardest part of their breakup, which was the early days that they were able to just go through it privately and deal with it on their own. Yes, also I think it interesting that you bring those two up and I like what Paige had said,

cause even though like this has been playing out in the public eye for the most part, like this, what happened between them is kept private as it should be. Like this is a three year relationship that was the person you thought you were gonna marry. Like some things can and should be kept private. And I feel like when we compare it to like other breakups

where people like sit down on a podcast and tell everything that's ever happened in their relationship, especially with like Briana Chick and Frights, like we needed to know, you know? And she was not wrong for that, but I really respect what she had said and like the choice to like keep the majority of your relationship private.

Just because you break up with someone doesn't mean that now everything that happened in your relationship is fodder for a podcast. Like you can still respect someone. Yeah, just cause it didn't work out. And be mad at them, be mad that it didn't work out, be mad that they're not standing up for you, but like still respect the integrity of the relationship

by keeping the majority of it private. And she's right for that, very classy. Agreed. Not to say that anybody who does the opposite is wrong because I live for it, especially when the guy has truly wronged you. Like Brianna Chicken Fry owed Zach Brian zero dollars. Like zero anything, zero grace, zero privacy,

zero respect, he was an actual abuser. You don't get the courtesy of keeping the happenings of the relationship private when you're that big of a fucking animal. She's not who we were talking about. No, I'm not talking about anyone specifically, but like I always like relationship, cause you know what I was thinking about that?

I'm so glad I just brought this up. I feel like a lot of people wanted to know what went down with Jason Tardick and Caitlin Bristow. And they like never told us. And I actually really respect that. Like even though so many people would wanna know, you know, she has a podcast, it's good for views, it's good for business.

Like I kind of really respect that neither one of them, there was a couple of shady Instagram likes or whatever, but none of them sat down and did a tell-all, neither of them, and I really respect that. Even though it didn't work out, this was a person you shared a bed with, you were gonna share a life with, it's okay to keep it private,

barring some crazy abuse that everybody needs to know about. Yeah, I totally agree. I don't know why there's this expectation or people feel like they need to share, but like I don't need to know every fight and every like out of pocket thing that was, you know, like couples fight. But that was your love.

We expect that you would fight. Yeah, of course. Oh my God, you don't wanna see what goes down in my house. Are you ready for our next story? Yes. Lily Collins is a new mama. Lily Collins shared her first photo. Mama.

Mama. She shared her first photo with her daughter, Tub, after secretly welcoming the newborn via surrogate. Tub? Tub, T-O-V-E. Oh, I thought you were saying Tub like bathtub, and honestly, like I'm stealing it, that's my name. Tub, she welcomed the newborn via surrogate last month.

So she had posted the other day that they had welcomed a baby via surrogate. And now she just posted a cute photo of her pushing a stroller with baby Tub. And this is just a great reminder that she is married to Charlie McDowell who has no relation to Andy McDowell and Margaret Qualey but does on Mother's Day post a picture of Andy McDowell

as a joke to confuse the internet, and I fell victim to his prank just last year. Do you think now on Grandmother's Day, Lily Collins will post a happy Grandmother's Day to Tubbs' grandma? Well, Lily doesn't get involved in the prank. It's exclusively a Charlie McDowell thing. And so no, I don't.

And also you can't forget, like, actually Tubbs grandfather, he's a Nepo grandkids. So. Let me tell you, I would never forget that Tubbs grandfather is Phil Collins. Just like I'll never, when Gracie Abrams, like God willing as a child one day,

I'll never forget that that child's grandpa is JJ Abrams. Yeah, Lily Collins is kind of the Gracie Abrams of the acting industry. Literally. They are twins. Like they look exactly like. And their dads are both of the acting industry. Literally, they are twins. They look exactly like, and their dads are both of like equal caliber. And like some people, I forget that they,

like I'm always reminded, like even I saw a story about Meryl Streep's guilted age daughter. And I'm like, oh right, that's Meryl Streep's daughter. Like some people I'm always just like, oh right, Lily and Gracie, always. You're still at the restaurant. It's always JJ and Phil. It will always be JJ and Phil, 1000%.

I don't know what that is. What is that? I think some people can eclipse like, and I think that actually Andy McDowell was just talking about this, how she's like officially a nepo mom because Margaret's in like an Oscar nominated film. And I don't think Andy's like career ever got to that level

and how proud she is to sort of be the recipient of the benefits for Margaret's fame now. It was very honest and very funny. So some people just truly eclipse it, right? They just get so famous that you can't even remember. Honestly, I also think it's sometimes their faces. You just cannot see the parent. I don't know what it is,

cause even Margaret, yeah, she's eclipsed, but I'll always remember. I don't need to be reminded. I even Margaret, she has, she's Eclipse, but I'll always remember. I don't need to be reminded. Like I'm always reminded like that's Andy's daughter. So maybe some of them are just like more fun facts and others like maybe at my core, like I don't think about Meryl Streep that much. You know?

You don't. And maybe I think about JJ Abrams more. Like, no, I never saw. No, but you think about Gracie more. I guess, I guess. You're not thinking about Meryl Streep's daughter. It's a compliment then. If it's a, it's a sign of relevance.

In my mind. Yes. So anyways, this is really sweet for the whole Nepo family. What was the story? Tov. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Tov McDowell. Even though that show, like is a,

what's wrong with the world? I happen to really like her. Tov Jane McDowell, Pargy. You know, obviously she is Phil Collins' daughter. I've never seen a photo of them. Google it, I'm sure there is one. Like at her bat mitzvah or something, you know? Sweet 16.

What does Phil Collins even look like? Bald, oh wait, I just Googled him. Yeah, he's bald, classic. Phil Collins, he's also like such an acclaimed musician. Like obviously I think of, and I see a true colorless, but then also Lion King, like really just.

Tarzan. Right, yeah, he's bald, classic. You'll be in my heart. That's my number one. You can tell he was handsome back in the day. I mean she's a beautiful girl. They've pledged by the day, plenty of photos together. Not really so many recent ones.

No, not recent, not recent. Not since Emily in Paris. Oh yeah, and she famously did that- Ball. You know how every year we talk about that Paris ball. Yeah, yeah, she did that. She was one of the Americans. That.

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Our fifth and final story, Kacey Musgraves is speaking out after her viral reaction to losing best country album, Grammy to Beyonce has gone viral. So there's been a little like, you know, post Grammys drama, reaction videos, whatever. Now, Kacey Musgraves went viral for looking like she was upset about losing the Grammy to Beyonce.

So I saw this headline before I saw the video. So I was like, Ooh, excited to see the stank face. Literally no such face in sight. Well, I think she looked a little disappointed. And then also there's this TMZ video of her like leaving the affair in her slippers. They're like, what do you think about losing the award to Beyonce? And she just looks at the camera and gives like a

big thumbs up. So people were really quick to assume this was a snub at Beyonce. Like, I think it wouldn't have had such a viral moment if she lost to like Lainey Wilson or whatever. But I think a lot of people are like defensive of Beyonce. To be honest, like, I think she looked upset have had such a viral moment if she lost to like Lainey Wilson or whatever. But I think a lot of people are like defensive of Beyonce. To be honest, like I think she looked upset because she lost a Grammy.

Like everyone wants to win a Grammy. And I think it was like Kelsey Ballerini actually who said this like at last year's CMAs. She got caught on camera losing with a staying face and she released a statement. She was like, yeah, I want it to win. Like she actually said, and I'm holding space for two things. Like I'm really happy for the person who won

but like I also want it to win. Like I'm really happy for the person who won, but like I also wanted to win. Like why can't I like think of myself for a second? And it's like, yeah, I would be upset too. I wanted to win. Right. I also, when I look at Casey's face, like if she really wanted to, if this was really like snubbed towards Beyonce,

like it would be a different face to me. It looks like someone who's like trying to smile, even though they might not be like super happy, but that's not a snub. Like she's like literally lightly smiling. I also think like she just has like one of those faces sometimes that like looks mad when she's not. Sometimes I have that face too.

My husband's always like, what's wrong? I'm like, what do you mean? I'm so happy. Yeah, right. She definitely has one of those faces, but like, let's just say like it is what it appears to be. Like I think that we need to normalize like wanting to win things.

I know we're supposed to say it's an honor to be nominated. I'm so happy for whoever won, but everybody's showing up there like glitz and glammed out because they want to win and they want to be like acknowledged by their peers. I don't think it's a big deal to be upset. It's not a reflection that she didn't think Beyonce should win.

So she thought she should win. Everybody thinks their shit's the best. Right, so Casey told E! News in a statement about this. She said, her rep said, It's a sensationalistic false narrative meant to pit two talented female artists against each other. There was simply no scowl or expression made. That's where I am. I'm like, what, I literally don't see anything. I saw it. I saw it live and then I saw it afterwards and I was like, yeah, okay, maybe that's that. But okay, so she's what? Spoiler alert human? She's just, you know,

if I get nominated for a Grammy and I don't win, like I'm seriously crying and cursing out everyone and flipping the table. Just wanna say in the words of Kasey Musgrave, she looks happy and sad at the same time. Exactly. And she tried to tell you that that's a real feeling and some of you just can't understand that.

We're listening. She tried to tell you on her Grammy award winning album for album of the year. Yeah, and I just saw she herself, Casey, has six Grammys. Like she's gonna be okay, you know? Oh, she's totally fine. She has one album of the year. For Architect, Architect was her eighth.

She's completely fine. A decorated artist. She posted the notepad for the Architect, like when she started songwriting, like the first day, and you see some of like the lyrics. You need to bid on it at auction. I literally do. First of all, the fact that it when she started songwriting, like the first day and you see some of like the lyrics. You need to bid on it at auction. I literally do, first of all, the fact that it's a notepad, Amazon basic she used and you see at the top,

it's like KM, Shane McAnally, and you see the idea of the song coming together, but also it's totally different than what the lyrics actually are and there's like an apple in the picture, just literally like, I know she posted that for me and I just want to say,, Casey, it means the world. She needs to auction it off for charity, like for you know, victims of the fires or North Carolina

and you will contribute. I will bid 100%. One of my biggest regrets is, remember when I went to that Joan Rivers tribute and they were auctioning off for God's Love We Deliver, the like original note cards of her jokes. Yeah. I should have bought one, but $5,000 was really steep for an index card.

Yeah, I agree. But when it's for charity, you would make a big donation to charity. But she had 70,000 of them, so if they were auctioning off a couple, they couldn't, oh, by the way, somebody bought the first one, the second one, they had to fake that one of the employees said like, yeah, it's because the auction was going poorly,

and then the third, they decided to give away to somebody in the audience because it was going so poorly. Do $2,500, double the amount of people, you would have sold six of them instead of one. Yeah, huh. I'm still thinking about that auction, I'm so mad. I'm sorry, well, maybe at the next auction, like you won't hesitate, maybe that's the lesson. Yeah, I'm so mad. I'm sorry, well maybe at the next auction like you won't hesitate.

Maybe that's the lesson. Yeah, I'll loosen the purse strings a little bit. I'm sorry, $5,000 for an index card, like I draw the line. I'm actually an extremely financially prudent person. Yeah, you are. Do people know that about you? No, because it's all relative, right? You look at my life, it looks very glamorous.

And it is, I have beautiful things. But it's, I'm actually, I don't like to use the word frugal because I'm not frugal by any stretch of the imagination. But I think also compared to you, I'm frugal. Yeah. We have like different philosophies, but what's a thesaurus for frugal? No, I think the word like financially prudent is a good,

I'm just like a little conservative. Careful, meticulous, prudent see here, stingy. I am not stingy bitch. This is thesaurus.com, thrifty. I don't know, I just feel like if you own a Birkin, you can't like call yourself financially prudent.

Do you know what I mean? Like even though it's an investment, it's an investment. They go up over time. Yeah. Is that the end of the show? Well, like as we, for now. Yeah. This is Tata for now. Let me just give a quick intro to the second half of the show.

We're just getting started. Brian Kelly, founder of the points guy. He wrote a book that comes out today. It's called how to win at travel. And we just did the, actually a lot about parenting and like what's your philosophy on like kids crying on planes? And like other people who are like rolling their eyes at it. Like, cause like, were you an adult before you had kids

who would like roll your eyes at like a kid crying on the plane and now you like understand? No, I would put my headphones in and realize that person's having a harder time than me. And I have the luxury of putting in noise canceling headphones, or you can even get free headphones from the flight attendant. I feel more bad for the parents

than the people who are around it. Put your headphones on and watch your TV show. It's not so hard. Yeah, no, and Brian talked a lot about it. He was like, that baby has every right to be on the plane as much as you do. We both paid for the ticket. It was actually a really insightful conversation

about all elements like how to save money on travel. Even if it's a lap infant, did he say? Like the baby's just kind of like preloading? Jackie, he said aviation is public transportation. We all have like equal rights to be on this plane. You're not more special because you're like a childless parent. I mean, a childless person than I am.

Like we're both equally right to be here. And he's like, the worst behavior I've seen on planes is from adults, not babies. Yeah, I would just say put your headphones on. Like the other person's having a much harder time than you. Yeah, like the right thing to do is like a help. And if you can't be nice, like just shut up. Yeah.

So we talked about that. It's a fabulous interview, video and audio. So you don't have to go anywhere if you're listening. Just keep listening. And we will see you tomorrow for hump day. Hump day, love ya. Bye. We could try. Let's just be like, yeah, we're not even trying so hard.

Love ya. No, like we don't even want it. No, I would hate if we got it because then all the fun would be over. Love you so much, bye. Welcome back to The Chost. It's kind of full circle for me to be sitting here with obviously one of my favorite people in the world, of course, like one of my best friends for life,

but also somebody who I forget like is deeply successful, has a lot going on. He is a father of two, a daddy to many. It is Brianna, Marlene, Christine, Waqili, Gorgia, Kelly. Vargas. It is Brian Kelly. Literally, you guys know him. He's a fan favorite here at The Toast. He is a frequent guest.

He is the creator of The Points Guy. And today he is here as author. I like how you wore like a black cashmere sweater, very author of you. Very Steve Jobs. Yes, yes. Yes, giving, I mean, how does it feel to be a multi-hyphenate?

When you became an author, did you notice a shift? In my moral superiority for sure. And I wanted to talk to you about that because, you know, there are a lot of content creators. There are you became an author, did you notice a shift? In my moral superiority, for sure, and I wanted to talk to you about that, because there are a lot of content creators, there are a lot of bloggers, but there aren't a lot of authors.

And I feel like having a physical thing, what we do is so digital, having a physical thing that you come out with feels so different. And I wanted to ask you, since you've now been doing press and people are referring to you now as an author, heretofore you will be known as an author.

How does that make you feel? It feels really cool. I started The Points Guy 15 years ago. I'm beyond proud of what it's become. Never was it meant to become. All of this. So many employees, millions of people, but having a book, I actually just right before this,

I went to Barnes and Noble Union Square. The best. Where we will be doing our event. Thank you for doing that. And I was walking through the store. By the way, it's popping. It is packed. Books are back, Brian.

Books are back. It was so exciting. I'm like, and it makes me so excited to think that this book, which is gonna be in every airport in America, Hudson News, just bought a bunch. And like people will buy this hopefully for years to come. And that to me is so cool to be able to connect

with the whole audience that the twisted Instagram algorithm isn't naturally, you know. Yeah, serving. But to have a physical book that's around, I'm so excited about it. And I couldn't help but notice that your book was not only not dedicated to me, which was unique for sure, it was dedicated to Dean, which is so sweet.

Dean is your son. He's literally the cutest angel on earth, but he's not your only son. And I think I speak on behalf of your newborn, Cooper, in when I say, what the fuck? You know, what about Cooper? I thought about this, but similar, like in the Jewish faith, where it is like very-

Superstitious. Sugana. Is that the word? The word is like, Haram? Kana', Kanaena Hara. Yeah. That's it, yeah. So I didn't want it,

cause I had to finish that in October and he was born December. And I'm like, that's a really, I just, you know? Yep. And plus I'll just dedicate the next one to Cooper. It's a thing when you're as multi-hyphenated as we are. Wait, where are you on your EGOT?

Who do you think will get the EGOT first? 1000% me, but think about Brian, actually we've done so many things together. And we're gonna talk about all the things we've done together. But we need to talk about your singing voice. And I host a show with my sister, Jackie, who up until I met you,

had the worst singing voice I'd ever heard in my life. She's great now. She's not great now compared to you. You have the worst singing voice I've ever heard in my life. You have no rhythm, you have no pitch. Like, sing me a song, say, Taking Chances by Celine Dion.

What are you? That's actually my worst nightmare. I have dreams where, like, I'm on the American Idol stage and they're like, go out and win it. And I'm like, what? I have dreams like that too, but they end really differently. Yeah, with the EGOT.

Yeah, right. So I think in terms of who's gonna win an EGOT first. No, but wait, I firmly believe though, cause your voice is a muscle and you can make it better. I sometimes think, and I'm a very competitive person, if I went into like really deep vocal training courses, do you think I could be okay? No, that's what I'm saying.

Like, I think you are actually too far gone. And there aren't a lot of people like that. That's what makes you different. That's what makes you special. But I actually have a good- You can't be good at everything. I have a good podcasting from what I hear. Yes.

And like voice. They're even more than flaming. And doing my audio book, which, you know, it's available wherever you get your audio books. Yes, you tell them, you tell them. I was like, so challenging to do an audio book. Honestly, sitting in that booth, so hot. But you can't do it all, and I'm OK with not being a singer.

Yeah, and you are so successful at everything you do. And I know that this book is going to crush because it just is what the people need. But the funny thing about you is we have so much in common. And really, from the minute that we met, we just got along swimmingly in a kind of unique way. But there are some things about you like I genuinely can't relate to

because you are so successful and like you wanna keep working. And I feel like you're always doing more. But meanwhile, like you have, when do you think like you will seriously like chill? You're, oh, every time I, every time we talk, you're like, maybe I'll slow down and then you go and you're pitching a TV show

or maybe I'll slow down or you go and write a book. Well, I think it's interesting because I feel like I have slowed down a lot. When we first met like pre pandemic, when,emic, when I was CEO of the points guy, we were on just growing that business, traveling a ton, doing charity work. It's like I had this beautiful home in the Hamptons that I never slept in. Yeah, so true. So I feel like in the pandemic, when I slowed down, I got my farm, started horseback riding, had Dean. I do realize that I'm still-

We're calling. To me, it seems like a lot less. And even writing this book now, I'm in the honeymoon phase because I was promoting the book I'm so excited about. Writing this book was really, I have severe ADD. Yeah, yeah. And I wrote this, I couldn't just give this to a ghost writer to write.

Like this book has me- It's straight from your brain. So I gave up, like the first five months of last year, even when I was in the Maldives, I was working on my book most of the time that I was on that trip. I went to Tokyo to see Taylor Swift. What people don't know is like I was in my hotel room

at the Amman working on the book. So, but now I'm twisted because I'm excited to write another. But the next one that I wrote, this book is like, this is a burger of like real information to save you money on travel flights. My next book, I wanna take a, like maybe do a little more visual. This is like 300 page-

Like a picture book for the kids. Honestly, kind of. Well, I start the book off saying like, we're in the platinum era of travel. I actually think travel today is the best it's ever been for a lot of reasons. But I kind of would like to almost do like a Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, like super luxury book.

Okay, well, that's what I wanted to ask you because something so funny about like your line of work and the success that you've had is like, you know, you're afforded a luxurious lifestyle and something funny about you is like, because it's your job, but like you very rarely opt to fly private. And if I was you,

like I'm sure you get opportunities all the time that like it doesn't behoove you very rarely opt to fly private. And if I was you, and I'm sure you get opportunities all the time that it doesn't behoove you because you're always making content. Because I have six horses, and if anyone is a horse girly out there. Dispensive. It's six mortgages, plus two children, nannies. I mean, I work because I have to, Claudia.

It's so true. Listen, we're not here because we want to be. A single dad who works two jobs. Literally. And your son, Dean, is extremely well traveled. 16 countries in two years. That's literally more countries than I have been to. Like, that's fucking crazy.

And I love it for him. He, I mean, he's so charismatic, but I feel like he is the way he is because we've been traveling. From the beginning. I mean, his first international trip was Belize. Oh my God, I forgot that Dean was in Belize with us. Remember where he showed up at Newark airport

and he was in his little doona. And you were in your Celine Dion shirt. Margot and Emily. And he, I just remember the girls surrounding him that whole trip. He's so cute. Well, you talk a lot about traveling with kids in the book. Your lifestyle has changed quite a bit

from like when you were just like a single guy traveling, doing whatever you want, to now like you think about travel in a different way. You've always been thoughtful about it, but now it's quite different and you're thinking of different things. And are you pre-boarding? Yes.

So pre-boarding, it depends. Now with the toddler who's two, I try to board that plane the last second. Like as little time possible on the plane, the better. But because I travel with the nanny, I'll have them go on first sometimes or just to get things on the plane and then I. But because I travel with the nanny, I'll have them go on first sometimes, or just to get things on the plane, and then I'll board last with Dean.

But in the chapter, I learned a ton about traveling with kids. Like when I started traveling with Dean, there's so many crazy rules. Your kid can fly in your lap for free. That's so crazy. But then some people will say, but then internationally, they don't even let you put babies in car seats because little,

there's so much information as a parent to digest. So I spelled it all out because it's terrible. Infants especially should not be in car seats for extended periods of time. Oh right, like the doona. Because they can literally die, they asphyxiate. And I love the doona and I'm actually gonna do a reel on this soon.

The doona is amazing because it turns from car seat to stroller to car seat. But the problem with the Duna is your child can be in that Duna for hours. Cause you're not having to take them out when you go to a restaurant. But he's not supposed to be in there. No, and really, I mean, some people say you're supposed

to take your newborn out every 30 minutes, which most people do not do. Right, right. But there is, it is hazardous. The general rule of thumb is two hours. So like in the book, I actually interviewed child safety, child passenger safety technicians. They're certified people that give their advice

on what to do, but the bottom line is, as a parent, there's no cut and dry rule what's safest. Yeah, you just do what you like, well, you have to trust your gut. Totally, and you know what's best for your kid. And I think just educating people with, here are your choices, the pros and cons. There's no one.

Right. So like we have so many moms who listen. What is the one piece of wisdom you would impart on someone who's about to travel with their kid for the first time? First thing I would tell you is, especially internationally, I know parents are nervous to travel.

First of all, when kids are little, it's easy. Like zero to one, it is so easy in general. Even if your baby cries, you feed it. Feed it, change it. They're not running anywhere. It's like when they become the two to like three is tough because your child may want to run and you got to keep them. But what I say is the flight will always be over.

That is the one constant. You'll get over it. Sometimes it feels like it won't though. And the memories of the trip, even if your child can't remember the trip, I firmly believe children are smarter than we give them credit for, and I believe experiences like embed in them.

So I say take the trip. And also most countries are way more child-friendly than the US. Really? Europe, for example, when you land- What's the most child-friendly country? Well, Portugal, when you land in Portugal, if you have a small child,

they'll take you to the front of the immigration line. Wow. In Europe, in Italy, you'll go and they have family security lines that have no lines so you don't have to wait in line. That's so crazy, I didn't know that. Yeah, in Ibiza this past summer, the woman was nursing her newborn

at the hottest restaurant in town at 10 p.m. No one batted an eye. That's literally gonna be me. Seriously. God willing. Titties out for the boys. Oh my God, my mind is racing. So to parents, it can be overwhelming, I can't, my mind is racing. So to parents, like it's, it's like can be like overwhelming. I get it.

Only travel when you want, but I push people and so many, I like being a role model for people to show people can be done. And yes, I have a nanny. I'm not trying to pretend like I'm a superhero as a single dad, but like traveling with your kids can be incredible. Yeah, just a lot.

I just like to be a positive narrative because I find with the whole parenting world, and I get it, like there's a lot of exhausted parents. I'm not trying to downplay that, but it's also amazing. I took Dean on Safari, you know, like it's. Jackie talks about that a lot about how like modern media, whether it's like TV shows or even like influencers who keep it real, it's so overwhelmingly negative.

And I think that like a lot of young girls and guys who become parents, like find there's so much more joy in it than was explained to you. You're always told about the hard parts, but like the joy is kind of underrated. So I love that like that's what you lead with, because I think we need more of that, like inherently. And your memory, I have, like Dean,

when we went to the Maldives and he just, I sat in the white sand, just me and him, and just the waves are coming over us and he's in my legs. And I'll remember that moment forever. It was like just so many good memories. And yes, he's cried on flights and like he'll- Torturer. He'll, he's like, you know, toddlers throw things,

the whole like throw a car across business class. But in the end, like you're, you have a right to be on that plane. And I say in the book, we need to talk about that. Like your flights are public transportation. Yeah. So if you want to control the manifests who flies on an aircraft, you got to charter honey. So everyone you are taking public transit, even if you bought a business class ticket, it does not give you the right to say who deserves to be on this plane and where they're sitting.

This is big conversation on social media, kids on planes, kids crying on planes. I think when my sisters became parents, I immediately became way more sympathetic. I never would be someone who would like visibly roll my eyes, but I would whisper to Ben like, get this fucking kid out of here. Now I find myself like having a lot more patience and like always like, like, you know, giving a sympathetic look or something, because I think that people can be really mean and at the end of the day like bitch We paid the same price for this ticket. Like yeah, my ass. Yeah, you know, I think and as travelers get noise-canceling headphones There's gonna be crying babies. And by the way, I've traveled a lot

I have been way more inconvenienced by drunk idiots on planes causing issues adults cause more issues and babies So true. And I didn't just have compassion, like help a pregnant woman who has bags. I see, help them put things in the overhead bin and like, and don't just assume, like have good intent, don't assume every baby's crying cause their parents are doing nothing.

Of course. I'm so tired of that narrative. Babies cry. You can have the best kid who does crazy things and is inconsolable, has nothing to do with your parenting. So like stop thinking so negative and maybe help the people out. It takes a village.

Even just smiling at a parent who's clearly overwhelmed in a flight, that helps you more than talking crap in your head because smiling at them, hey, do you need a hand? I got you. A simple thing like that to a parent can help bring their stress level down, which then in part helps.

So you help yourself by being nice. That's across the board in travel. The point of like when she passengers, adult passengers, being more inconveniencing than babies is so true. Some of the worst people I've ever met have been on airplanes. Totally. Like insane human beings.

And that's what I love about you. Like you're really capable of such depth. Like when you talk about parenthood and even the way you talk about travel, like I know it means a lot to you when you meet people. Cause when you go to like an airport lounge, it's like, you know, me going to a kosher restaurant. It's like where your people are at.

And you like are a star. And I've been lucky enough to experience it where like people come up to you and it's not, they don't just say like, hey, I love your work. They say like, oh my God, I took this trip with my dad before he died. Like it's so meaningful.

And I know that you take it so seriously. So you're capable of such depth, but I also have gotten to know you on a really deep level. And like people- The real me. They don't even know. They don't even know Brianna Marlene, Christine Wachile Kelly.

Like you are one of the most fun people I've ever met in my life. And I feel like that's because you are so well traveled. Like you've seen such things and to travel with you, I have to tell you, it's such a privilege. Like the way I used to vacation, like even just with Ben. And now when me and Ben go do you, I have to tell you, it's such a privilege. The way I used to vacation, even just with Ben, and now when me and Ben go do something, I travel differently.

Like I'm so much more open to things. You really are so much fun. And I think it is connected to the things you've seen. Yeah, I think as we all travel more and you get the bigger picture, I think it does help us all become better people. A thousand percent. And the best part about you is you are who you are,

but we have a lot of similarities. We're both obsessed with reality TV and celebrity culture. Abby Lee Miller is both of our idols. ALDC, we met. We met because of Abby Lee. Abby Lee Miller connected us, Q-nected us. Yeah, in a spiritual sense. Yeah.

She didn't actually introduce us. I think one of our first DMs was about commenting about ALDC. Regarding the matter of Abby Lee. So was about commenting regarding Abby Lee matter. Regarding the matter of Abby Lee. So I may not be a good dancer. I mean, I may not be a good singer, but I'm a great dancer. You are a great dancer. And where'd you learn that?

At the Abby Lee Dance Company? I learned it with you in Puerto Vallarta. 1000% We're not Puerto. Punta Mida. Punta Mida. That was fun. No, we've had so many fun trips and like so many people

whoever meet you, and people who meet you love you, but what's so interesting is like one of my favorite things and hopefully everyone one day gets a chance to go through your Instagram DMS because the people that TM you just asking for like random travel tips I respond to tons of DMS. No, but I'm talking about like celebrities like celebrities are obsessed with points We met on the way to Punta Mida that I was like, oh, I don't even remember. We had a little bit of a boozy flight. Oh, yeah, we had a boozy flight to Houston. Asian male actor. Yeah, was he on the flight to Houston

or the flight to Mexico? I don't know, he was like. Because we had margaritas in the middle. And I got in trouble for vaping in the United Airlines. In the Centurion Lounge. They were like, seriously so, they were like, are you vaping? I'm like, yeah.

You're vaping? They acted like I was doing meth, like calm down. Claudia, you're vaping, you were so brazen. I know. Going to bars with you, you wouldn't even hide it. You'd puff it into the air. What's to hide? It's electric.

And then you would, it's electric. You would act aggrieved. You've gotten kicked out of bars. I've gotten kicked out of facilities. Sneaked back, snuck back in. Me and that vape, although those days are behind me, I'm about to enter my motherhood phase, that girl lives inside me forever

and I know she will return. I mean, that, yeah. No, we've lived in, so the funny part is like, how many people are so invested in points and travel and like the hacks that you give and the celebrities, reality stars that enter your DMs and who you end up striking up friendships with because you are this like really fun, fabulous guy,

is probably one of my favorite parts about you. Now tell me about the Silva sisters. Darcy and Stacey. If you guys don't know, by the way, what TLC show did they originally start out? 90 Day Fiancé. So Darcy was on 90 Day Fiancé. She just opened her heart looking for love.

So I got deep into 90 Day Fiancé, probably like circa 2018. And that was when I was, you know, we were doing big TPG awards and they would always say, what like celebrities should we invite to the awards? And like, frankly, like most A-list celebrities are not coming to like a travel website. They need to be paid like handsomely.

We didn't have a budget, but we were like. Let's invite. So then, I mean, Darcy Silva is an iconic queen and I would just DM them and I'd be like, hey girl, hey. And she's like, oh my God. And I could just tell like she needs love. And she's so sweet. She like DM me.

So she came to the first TPG awards. Very nice. And then she had a couple of drinks and she came into my green room. And like at one point she's like, I just need a guy like you. And just starts like crying on my lap. There's like a photo of her.

Cause she's known for crying on the show. Cause she's just looking for real love. So like that was definitely like, I've made it moment. of her, cause she's known for crying on the show, cause she's just looking for real love. Yeah, aren't we all? So like, that was definitely like, I've made it moment. When Darcy Silva, she smells really good. Who was the most famous person who you found out, like reads the website or knows, like follows your work and uses your tips.

Because I always felt like rich people didn't like do stuff like that, but they love saving money. I think Ricky Martin is one. Wow. Yeah, he. That's huge. Yeah, I've met him several times. I mean, Martin is one. Wow. Yeah, he. That's huge. Yeah, I've met him several times. I mean, Martha Stewart, everyone thinks she travels private.

Martha's a commercial queen. And I help her team out quite a bit. I help her get the best flights and make sure she's taken care of. What matters to Martha? She's an aisle, a window. What does she prefer? She's a window girly.

Small bladder. She's actually very like low maintenance. Like I've flown, we went to Greenland and we only flew economy. She was not a diva. Like she's very well traveled. She's very inquisitive. She's very engaged. Like when we were touring little towns in Greenland together,

she would go talk to local people. Yeah, she's very, very inquisitive. I mean, she means that when she says, learn something new every day or it's like, or something. That's her thing. Keep learning or you'll die. And if she says, like, learn something new every day or it's like, or something. Oh, yeah, that's her thing. Keep learning or die. And if she says, like, every day you should, like, acquire.

She's a really fun person to travel with. Yeah, Martha. What about that podcast or Claudia Asher? What she liked to travel with? Well, when we eat rotten fish on the airline and go viral in Israel. Brian and I were on Israeli news, like, literally went so viral.

We did like a taste test of salmon. They were serving salmon in El Al first class. It was viral in Israel. Brian and I were on Israeli news, like literally went so viral. We did like a taste test of salmon. They were serving salmon in El Al first class. It was not good. For any aviation girlies out there. This is when seven, El Al had a 747. It was not the most. It was old. Yeah, but iconic queen of the skies.

It was retiring. Two queens in the sky. Literally. And, but they served our food and it was rancid. It was salmon and we shouldn't have ordered it. There's a vlog episode out there somewhere. Yeah, we were filming the entire time. I think I said I would pay you like $500

and I never paid you, did I? Listen, the amount of things you paid for. We're square. We are so even, like don't even, don't go down that road cause I'll end up owing you money. So back to the Silver Sisters. So Darcy is a queen, we love her. And then I think the next year she brought Stacey.

Of course. Now Darcy and Stacey have their spinoff. And I think they're just, I think they finally found men. And they went to Turkey. They've had a lot of work done. That's putting it mildly. Definite transformations. They get so much hate on their Instagram,

but they are nice girls. By the way, that was what was really shocking because I wasn't a TLC girly. And you put me onto that show along with Locked Up Abroad, which we need to talk about briefly. But I started watching their show. Oh, Love After Lock Up's a new one. Have you watched that?

No, I don't watch Love After Lock Up. Better than Locked Up Abroad? Different. Love After Lock Up's got a lot of unique characters. And we love like a unique- We do. It's about people who date people in prison. Right.

During or after prison. So they really, they date, the show starts where they're about to get out of prison. Got it, okay. And the intricacies of our dynamic, halfway houses. Right, country visits. Yeah, will the prisoner who comes out, will they revert back to their old ways,

which they do 11 out of 10 times, yeah. Well, Brian and I spent like a whole weekend literally watching every episode ever made of the show called Locked Up Abroad. I couldn't even tell you what channel it was on. It was seriously giving lifetime dramatization. And it was true stories, but it was recreated in this very dramatic version of people who had been

locked up for committing crimes in different countries and how the prison systems in all these different countries are so wackadoodle. Not that the American one is so great, but it's so crazy, mostly for drug mules and trying to bring drugs. Stories on that show are about like mules who, you know, hit a hard time in life

and then some shady person comes in who's a drug. Takes advantage of that. Whatever, yeah. But the stories are wild. Some of the people- Have you ever run into like any law enforcement issues in another country, like almost gotten arrested or anything? No, I've gotten shot at twice.

Yes, you have in Brazil. That's an over dramatization. You've been near a shooting. I have been adjacent to really terrible shootings. I mean, someone died at the one in Belize on the other side of the street as me. I wasn't there. You guys were in Belize,

but you were at the hotel that night. I was feeling a little tired. We were just walking through. That was really, we actually had to hide in a store behind a clothing rack. She was an American girl. It was really sad. So sad.

It was like, it was pain kind of. I saw the gun, I saw the guy. And then in Brazil, I was there for carnival and I was filming a vlog. And I had a security guard with me because we had camera equipment on the streets of Rio. We were having so much fun. And they literally, the footage is somewhere,

it's like, Brian, what do you think of Rio carnival? I'm like, it's amazing. And I was dressed as a Pharaoh and just pop, pop, pop. And we, everyone, it was like 10 of us, we had to scream, everyone was running across the city. It was really scary. And the security guard that I had, he was actually like an ex-Marine and he goes, run, run, and he's got his arm around me.

And he's like, we keep hearing the shots, it means you're not dead, go. And I was like, honestly? If you can hear, you can run. I remember thinking that. In that moment. And I actually had a drink with me, we were drinking on the street

and I like, I'm so against littering. I remember I was, he's like, put the drink down. Just throw the drink on the floor. Throw the drink on the floor. You know, I'm a good kid. You are such a good kid, and the book is so good. And the book comes, so this episode is being released

the same day as your book, which is so fabulous. The book is out now. And in three words, like, tell me how it feels to be like a published author. Cute and smart. I love that, but that's two words. Cute, smart, Darcy. I think that that should be the title of today's episode.

And it's Darcy with an E for whoever titles it. It's true. And Brian, where can people pick up the book? Anywhere you get books, if you're in your next Hudson News in the airport. Sorry, we just really quickly didn't even talk about the people who gave blurbs for the back of your book. It's crazy because you're my friend,

and we get twisted together. And it's like, that's how I know you. But I forget that you are friends with Whoopi Goldberg, Kelly Ripa, Martha Stewart. These are all people. Can you tell me? Because I had written a book, I asked you to write a blurb, thanks for asking me to write one, bitch.

And the amount of like, you feel awkward asking people, right, like how do you go about asking these types of people to give a blurb for your book? So Whoopi, I interviewed in the book, by the way, if you have a fear of flying, that's one of the top questions I get asked. I dive deep into the science behind fear of flying. I interviewed Lays, my friend, frequent flyer,

who was literally in a plane crash. She was in a plane crash and- Was it Emirates? No, it was actually her dad became a pilot. He was a famous doctor. He was like, oh, in the first flight, her mom brought too much luggage on and they crashed into a swamp.

Luckily they all survived. Oh my God. She had severe fear of flying. Whoopi Goldberg saw a plane crash in the seventies. She was actually fine for several years and one day had a crazy nightmare. And then, so anyway, so I interviewed Whoopi for the book. She's actually a fan of TPG, her and her manager.

I mean, I've been helping them travel for years. I've been on The View. So I interviewed her and she was so gracious with her time. So then afterwards I just asked her for the blurb and they were happy to do it. Right, right, she was already involved. Martha, I mean, I've helped Martha travel around the world. I mean, it I just asked her for the blurb and they were happy to do it. Right, right, she was already involved. Martha, I mean, I've helped Martha travel around the world. I mean, it's easy to ask for a blurb

when you've done a lot of favors. It's true. I've been on Kelly Ripa's show like 20 times now. And hers was really funny because she'd like, read the blurb from hers. Listen to the travel expert, Brian Kelly. He's clearly got the most leg room. Dun, dun.

Oh, Kelly. And she was like, does that make sense? I'm like, oh, it's perfect. It's perfect. It's literally perfect. The book is so good. You have a website where you can buy all of the books. HowtoWinAtTravel.com

HowtoWinAtTravel.com Amazon, e-book, audio book. He's national, don't worry about it. You were reading the audio book? I read the audio book, 11 and a half hours. Did you lead, like, did you put on like a little bit of a- I did a little Luann voice. A little Lu.

Give me like a little bit of a- I did a little Luann voice. Yeah. A little Lou. Give me like a sample. What do you say to taking chances? And Brian, in your professional opinion, does money buy you class? No, but it can buy first class. Boom. You guys enjoy the book. It's so fabulous. Brian, I love you very, very much.

Love you so much. Thank you for being here, guys. Thank you for listening and we'll see you tomorrow. Bye.