The Toast - For The Girls and The Boys with Kevin Clancy: Tuesday, May 27th 2025

Episode Date: May 27, 2025

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Good morning, girlies, it's the Toast. It's Jackson Claude and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly, it's the Toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast. First day of Jax and friends. Claudia's on maternity leave.

I didn't realize I was first. That's what I wanted to tell you. Got it. Making some toast herstory. Let's go. We have KFC Kevin Clancy on The Toast. Welcome to the show. Thank you, thank you. I did not realize I was the first co-host

or guest host or whatever. I'm flattered. You are the first episode going live because today is Tuesday. We are on schedule and I've pre-recorded a little bit of things, but like you're the first episode. We actually have a lot to catch up on because we haven't done The Toast since last Friday.

Okay. So some of the pop culture stuff we're gonna do this week are the big stories from the past week. But of course, a lot has happened in the last week. Our dear Claudia has given birth and she is doing great. So I just wanted to update everyone. I know everyone wants all the updates from her and I'm sure she'll share more when she's ready, but it's just been a really lovely week,

a quiet, pardgy week and we're really happy for Claudia. Baby Brunson is here, right? Baby Brunson, spoiler alert, the name is the Brun. That is so funny. Was there a Knicks game on last night? I can't keep up. There's one tonight, so there was one two nights ago. OK, and the Knicks won two nights ago.

Yes, so now it's two to one. You're a Knicks fan. Yes. What are your teams? Knicks, Mets, Jets, and then hockey, I would be the Islanders. So you're New York. I'm a New York guy then hockey I would be the Islanders. So you're New York I'm a New York guy and I'm like the the loser teams if you will although things are starting to go in the right direction

But it's been a long 40 years the New York teams are the loser teams, especially if you're not rooting for the Yankees Yeah, there's a clear divide but things are getting a little bit better. But it's we've had to be very very patient Yeah, well, I'm very excited for today's episode because, Kevin, I call you KFC to my friends. Is that fine? Yeah, yeah, I get that all the time. It's whatever. But your real friends call you Kevin.

Yes, my real friends call me Kevin, and then they make fun of me. If I'm being annoying or whatever, they'll be like, oh, KFC's out today. And that's when I know to shut the hell up. So it's like you're staging KFC. Yeah, so when I first started, I- And you're doing it at Barstool.

Can you intro yourself for the camera? Yes, yeah, yeah. And I do feel like today's episode is really special because it's for the husbands and wives. Cause you're like Barstool King and obviously the toast is for the Swirly's. So this is gonna bring couples together. Yeah, I love it.

We're gonna be really excited about this duo. Yes, I work for Barstool. I started Barstool New York. So it started in Boston with Dave. And then this is back in 2009. He wanted to expand into different cities. The idea was kind of like have satellite cities. And I was the first one they expanded out of Boston. And so I started the New York branch. And then I started podcasting at Barstool and and all that. So I've been there for like 15 years.

And yeah, I came on with Claudia back in like 2017 or 18, a long time ago. So what I was going to say is you've podcasted with Claudia on our show, but not The Toast. I think it was The Breath. So you haven't been on The Toast yet. So another piece of herstory, which is very exciting.

And we have not met, even though you had podcasted with Claudia, and I think she did your show too, like back in the day. So another piece of herstory, which is very exciting. And we have not met, even though you had podcast with Claudia, and I think she did your show too, like back in the day. So you and Claudia go way back, but this is our first time meeting and our first time podcasting. I'm very excited because you do a lot of sports. Obviously you work at Barstool, but you do a lot of pop culture too. You have a lot of hot takes.

Yeah, at this point, I mean, I am a like a weirdo sports fan, but I would say my content is more pop culture, comedy, stand up, all that sort of stuff. So that was kind of where we made our lane. But when the playoffs are on and things really get cooking, baseball, I'm a sicko. It's like the Mets are like some weird issue I have. I don't know.

It's like ingrained into my DNA. I think the Mets are cool. As someone who is a New Yorker, originally, like if I had to choose between Mets and Yankees, I do have more love for the Mets. Let's go. And I think they're having like a lot of big moments. You know Pete Alonso?

You would not have said that like, you know, 10 years ago. Yeah, Pete Alonso, he's a good friend of Ben's. He's a mensch. He's a really good guy. So I root for him. They sell Spritz Society at City Field. Yeah, Pete Alonso, he's a good friend of Ben's. He's a mensch, he's a really good guy. Really good dude, yep. So I root for him, they sell Spritz Society at City Field. Pickle flavor, like so tasty. That's right up your alley, yep. And speaking of alcohol brands,

you have brought me something today, which obviously I can't partake in right now, but it's very exciting, and I think people are gonna be really excited about it. This is Midnight Bean. This is, I believe to be the best pre-bottled, ready to drink espresso martini on the market. Is that your fave, espresso martini? It is.

So I've been drinking espresso martinis since basically I started working at Barstool. Since before they were cool, like the mesh? Yes, basically. And Nicks. So when I, when I, the mother of my kids introduced me to it. And this is back when I was like in my, you know, early 20s, mid 20s, when I was just drinking Bud Lights and like didn't know anything about anything. And she ordered an espresso martini and I tasted one then.

And ever since then, it's been like my cocktail. But there was a long period of time where that was like, it was girly and it was lame. And now it's like- All the rage. I mean, between, I would say seltzers and espresso martinis have like taken over the alcohol industry the last, you know, few years.

So for the last like, you know, 10 plus years, we had, I had this thing on social media called the three bean gang, cause you put the three beans in the espresso martinis and it would, but it was just like a hashtag and it was just anybody, anytime you went out for an espresso martini, people would take pictures and share it with me. And I'd use the hashtag and I would, but it was just like a hashtag and it was just anybody, anytime you went out for an espresso martini, people would take pictures and share it with me and I'd use a hashtag and I would

repost it. But I never planned on like having my own. It was just a thing that was like for people who liked these cocktails. And then it kind of all materialized after that. So in a way, it really is very organic where it was like, it's not like something I did just to make a buck and it materialized over a decade. So I'm really into it. The people who followed along are really into it. And I wouldn't have done it if it didn't taste right and feel right.

It foams up nice. It really feels like you're drinking it from a bar. So how do you make one? Do you need to add anything? Nothing. It's all in there ready to pour. It's got vodka, real vodka in it, and you just pour it and shake it. That's the beauty of it. There's no mixing. Like it used to be, you would go to a bar and like the bartender either they didn't have an espresso machine or they would roll

their eyes like I got to make all these ingredients, shake it up. So this is kind of like whether you're now you can have them at home. And also if you're a bar or restaurant that serves it, just pour shake. Beautiful. It really is cool. When I went down to Sazeracreates, created it. And when I went to their distillery or whatever, I was pretty skeptical. And they shook one up and poured it out. And it was all foamy and settled almost like a Guinness. And I was like, whoa.

And then it tasted right. It looked right. And I really was prepared for it to be a high-end item. I was like, this is going to just be an $80 bottle because it's martinis. And I was like, so what's the damage? And they said, $19.99. And I was like, this is going to just be like an $80 bottle because it's martinis. And I was like, so what's the damage? And they said, $19.99. And I was like, oh my god.

So it's going to be nationwide, available at a price point that I think everybody can enjoy it. We're kind of at the stage right now where we're just getting it into stores. Yeah. So where can people get it? Can they get it online? I'm actually not sure.

I don't think it's available online. The thing is, it will be every state, every spot has the option to stock it. We just got to get it there. So if you go to your local stores or restaurants, just ask for it. If they don't have it, ask them to please stock it and it's available for anybody who wants it.

Midnight Bean. Yeah. I'm sure they will love you having a pregnant lady provide your alcohol. That's everyone's favorite. Yeah. Yay. Not the best timing, but yeah. When you have yours, we can celebrate.

Yes, exactly. But we're very happy for you, and I think the girlies will love that. Everyone loves espresso martini. I was gonna say, as much as I like it, it's definitely a girly drink, so I'm like, in a lot of my promotion, a lot of the PR we're doing,

it's like, the girls are gonna love it. Yeah, it's for the girls. Unlike being for the boys, which you're for the boys. That is for the boys. But this is for the everyone. This episode is for the everyone, which I'm really jazzed about. So we took off last week,

and I just wanna update everyone because I finally got to watch some television in my life, and I watched Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, and you watched one episode? Yes, I stumbled on an episode the other day. That is a wild ass show. That is crazy. I watch a lot of reality TV,

been watching it for a really long time. I feel really comfortable saying like, this is the best reality TV we've had in a very long time. Like the first season was so good, it was one of our favorite shows of last year. And then this season is better somehow. Usually like the sophomore slump, everyone all of a sudden gets a little famous.

They don't want to, like, risk brand deals and act wrong. And, like, everyone wants just to be well-liked because it pays to be the favorite. These girls don't care. And it just, the tides constantly shift. It's been so good. I genuinely entered, like, a depression when I finish it. And, like, I'm not someone who, like,

gets in the weeds of drama. You know how there are people who make videos about so and so unfollowed, so and so left a comment. I usually, when I turn off the TV, the show ends for me. I don't wanna know all this stuff. I just don't really care about the minutia. I couldn't get enough of it. What did Marciano say? Well, I'm so, the one scene I saw there at some dinner table and this girl was flat out

like I'm the most popular and I should be making the most money and I was like, whoa, this is like, they're just laying it out there, you know? But they all look like cookie cutter to me. I'm like, wait, which one is that? Is she the queen? Is she the leader? Who's the what? You have to do the work to be able to tell them apart.

But then you can. No, that was one of the best scenes ever when they called her out for, like, literally, her best friend, she was ready to be like, take her salary and have her off the show because she wanted more money. And at first, you're like, oh, you are the fan favorite. Like, you're a big part of the show.

Maybe you should get paid more than the others. And then Taylor Frankie Paul slaps her dick on the table. And it's like, you're the fan favorite just because you say things at a dinner that people like, you haven't shared anything about your life. She puts her whole life on display for the show. If anybody should get paid more, it's her not only did she get the show for them

by being who she is, but so much of the storyline is about her personal life. If you're in the drama with the girls, yeah, it's interesting, but it's low stakes for you. Like you're not risking anything. It's just- You're putting your whole business out there. But there's so many of them, right? There's so many of them.

And more. I'm sure it's doing well, but the money situation has gotta be pretty precarious because you gotta pay, there's like 12 girls over there. At least it seems that way. It seems like there's just an endless supply of them. Yeah. But it's so interesting to me that they're like, they're just the Mormon thing in general, really.

Well, they're all like, have different degrees in Mormonism too. Right, that's what I mean. There's like levels to it where it's like, but they're all pretty and they're all like pretty materialistic it seems. And it's like, so what really is going on here? You know?

They're all so different. They're so different. You just couldn't pick two to be the same. like, so what really is going on here? They're all so different. They're so different. Just couldn't pick two to be the same. I need like a crossover. I need them. So they went on Vanderpump Villa, but I haven't watched that yet.

I haven't seen that yet either, but I've seen clips that Stassi is kind of doing Stassi things again. I saw somebody say, we haven't had a good Stassi unhinged rant in a while. She was one of those goats who, like, she used to talk about throwing your dick on the table. That girl, she scares me. Like, I would never want to be in front of a camera with her.

I'd be like, I don't know what you're capable of, you know? She's a boss. No, she really is. And so she's back. So they did this Vanderpump Villa crossover that has actually become the supply for a lot of drama on the Mormon Wives show. Because apparently, like, stuff happened in the villa

and they're bringing it up. So it's actually, it's very good synergy and I have to watch Vanderpumpville if I want to know more. Are you a Vanderpump girl? Yes, oh I've watched it all. Did you, what did you think of the Tom Sandoval rebrand? Did you watch Traders? I didn't watch Traders.

So he, almost everybody in the world hates him. Yeah. And then, I don't know if it was the edit or just the way he handled himself, but he was kind of this, like, dumb, endearing guy on the Traitors, where I feel like he, like, turned it around a little bit. That's good. Like, I don't hate him, like, so aggressively anymore.

And I feel like I'm special because I didn't like him even before Scandival. So it's like, I saw right through him. So I can go back to those like low levels of dislike. But no one should like live in that forever, you know? And we can't have those like strong feelings about him forever. Like he lost, like he did something really awful.

He lost literally everything. Yeah. Now let him live. Right. Right. Well, I think sometimes people forget that it's like, it's reality, but it's also like a TV show, and it's a business, and it's an industry, and like, I don't know, it gets a little bit,

like you said, like turning it off and just kind of leaving it there. Yeah. Not many people do that, you know what I mean? No, no, then they're in the comments, and then they're like outside the restaurant picketing. Yeah, at some point it's like, yeah, go home is a good answer. Yeah.

Just put on the next one. Just go to the Mormons. Go to the, you know, you don't need to fixate on that. Yeah. But it was interesting to see. Like, that would have been someone that I was kind of like, I don't know if there's any coming back. And I think he kind of came back.

OK, that's good. I'm like sort of happy for him. But Vanderpump, as we know, it is over because they're recasting that show. Have you been watching? So they, I feel like Scandival, like they had their moment and I feel like they tried to kind of reboot it or like.

Scandival gave them an extra two seasons, but I think this would have happened two years ago if not for Scandival. Right, it kind of ran its course. It did. And I think they all kind of have a natural life cycle where once you get famous enough and rich enough, I think Summerhouse is kind of going through that

a little bit. Do you love Summer House? Well, I think now we're going through this inflection point. Yes, I was just talking about this yesterday with my guests for tomorrow, which I don't want to spoil, but of like people growing out of reality shows because the formula doesn't work anymore. You're not just drinking like you want to get married

and have children and like you have to not do that. Especially for the girls, yeah. Yeah, especially for the girls. So, but these are like tested, tried and true reality stars. We shouldn't let them go. They're great television, as opposed to them trying to find new people who we might not like and probably don't,

because they're very bad at casting these days. I think you need both though. I think Summer House really worked well, as an example, when it was just like, they were regular people doing the Tampons back and forth commute that so many people here in the summer do. Right. But then you get famous it was just like, they were regular people, like doing the Tampons back and forth commute that like so many people here in the summer do. But then you get famous and it's like, well, all right, so it can't be that anymore,

but we don't wanna let go. And like you said, so you almost need to like- But I feel like the Valley has really solved this problem a little bit of like the aging reality stars who like, we still love them, we wanna see, but just cause like you have a baby or something doesn't mean that like you can't do it anymore but not in the way that you were so I think people are saying like Lindsay Hubbard should go to Real Housewives of New York that doesn't really excite me but I think a valley-like show in the city that's like yeah

people in their 30s young couples well so do you feel like, I wonder from like a female point of view, like when I started getting older and having kids and just settling down like as a dad, like my content, if you will, went from like stories about partying and going to the Hamptons and summer houses and all these things that are like kind of inherently interesting or a little bit like gossipy and salacious to being like, I'm a dad. I go home, I play with my kids. There's not so much drama. True. So, but then there's a whole new audience that's like, I want to hear about like your house renovation. Like what aisle are you using in your bathroom and like what activities are you taking your kids to?

So there is that world, but it's not as easy to be like captivating, I feel like, you know? Yeah. But if you can find a new crop of young people to, that's hopefully kind of what we did at Barstool, is like there was backfilling in a way. It's like if you want the young party stuff, you go here. If you want the coming, I've always tried to age appropriately. Yeah.

That's hard in reality TV though, and the ratings are high, and the money is big. No, and like you thrive off the drama. I don't want to party anymore, but you kind of have to. That's a good point. But I do feel like that's why the Valley is good because they're still, they have kids. They're still the most dramatic people I've ever seen. Like they have all these fights where, well, they're all divorcing and they're fighting

with each other. So I don't feel like they're just like boring married people. But yeah, I guess we should stay away from the boring married people. Yeah. I just also, I mean, I find, I feel like being married in some of these shows is probably very difficult. Yeah. Like you really don't have a normal life. Like marriage and kids are tough enough as it is. Right. And then you throw in cameras and money and producers and, you know, bad faith actors. Oh my God. Yeah. People like the, the, the people want to come in who

just want to be famous producers, even like my experience when we did it, we've done like reality competitions at Barstool and the producers, like God bless them, they work really hard and they're all like a part of the Barstool family, but there are definitely times where they're like, get out there and like stay this or do that and I'm like, yo man, like relax, you're trying to ruin my life here.

Like for some YouTube views, chill out. So I can only imagine when it's like, bravo, like we're talking big time ratings and like, they're like, go out there and pick that fight or sleep with that person or whatever, you know, so. Yeah, and when you have like a castmate who will do anything to be on the show and they'll say anything, anything untrue

and like that throws, like that's just that level of chaos. Is it reality or is it entertainment cuz then right you know no it's tough and then I look at shows like did you I didn't watch the show but I think everybody saw the clips of temptation island and with Montoya yeah I saw the clip like I remember like being like four weeks into that saga where it's like she's fucking another guy and like and I remember on my show me and my co-host John was like these two should just break up like what are we doing here why are you even in this relationship sometimes I think that a

lot about the reality couples where I'm like you this is not just break up you know I know but then when they don't I'm like this is the strong this must be even though I'm seeing them like being the worst couple ever I'm like well they must be incredibly strong there must be, even though I'm seeing them, like being the worst couple ever, I'm like, well, they must be incredibly strong. There must be something. There must be something there. Yeah, they love hard, fight hard, all that sort of shit. Yeah, or it's like, the good times are so good,

and we just happen to miss them. But that's where, like, with the season of Summer House, Jesse and- Lexi. Lexi. I'm like, you guys have known each other for 25 seconds. Like, it cannot be worth all his drama. No, no, no. By the end, it wasn't worth all the drama. But I'm like, am I the only one?

I really saw, like, the initial love there. There was a spark. There was a spark. I'm sorry. Like, there was a spark. That's where, like, regular people would be like, we had, like, a summer fling in the Hamptons. And for them, it's like cameras and, you know, drama

and sucking on toes and all sorts of shit. No, totally. Do you talk to a lot of reality stars on your show and stuff? Like, or do on toes and all sorts of shit. No, totally. Do you talk to a lot of reality stars on your show and stuff, or do you meet them all because they call them through the office? Yeah, chicks in the office is like, their lane is the reality stuff.

I definitely have my, I don't even call them guilty pleasures, they're just my pleasure. Like I love it. I don't give a shit about that. I'm like, whatever. Like to me, it's all very entertaining. No, it's like so mainstream now. Like if you're not watching Summer

Hug. Yeah, you're not like- What are you doing on a Wednesday night? So we've had a couple on, but they're the girls really, that's like their lane. I feel like I know more of them. Like they don't really have them on the show, but I just kind of connect through social media and whatnot, which is even weirder because I'm like, I've never met you before, but you know, I mean, just like we were, it's like, I've never met you, but you start to like be friends with these people.

You know, I know you're pregnant, I know your life, I know your family, it's kind of that weird world. Yeah, no, totally. Even though I'm like, yeah, I know KFC, we never met. Right. I mean, so at this point, like some of my best friends are like internet people, you know what I mean? It's like, I have my real friends

and then my internet friends, but I feel like they all, I know them like just as well. Yeah, do you do, some of my best friends are internet people, you know what I mean? It's like, I have my real friends and then my internet friends, but I feel like they all, I know them just as well. Yeah, do you do a lot of interviews on your show or just? Yeah, so my show's been around for so long. We started in 2012, we were kind of ahead of the curve, and we really hit our stride. Our peak was kind of that golden era when comics were really starting to blow up.

So it was right before every comic had their own podcast and five Netflix specials. And so the world was kind of getting to meet these people for the first time, like Krista Stefano, Burt Kreischer, Tom Segura, Andrew Schultz, all these people who are now are, you know, Nate Bargazzi. Nate Bargazzi was my first interview, we were each other's first interview ever.

And now he's making $100 million a year, like mega successful. But in that little window where now, if you want to hear those guys, you just go to their podcast. But in the beginning, it was kind of like, our show was one of the few that was really interviewing those guys.

So we had a really good run then. And then once that died down a little bit, I go back and forth. I think our audience wants to hear me and John talk, you know? You know what's so funny? Like for Claudia and I would say the exact same thing as what you said.

Like there was a peak in time where like we were interviewing like everyone and it was so we were having fun. And then yeah, everyone got podcasts, everyone's doing everything. I would say it was COVID. COVID kind of changed it because it's like every celebrity is sitting on Zoom wanting to do a podcast. And it's like, when you can have anyone

and everyone is going on every show, it's like- That did change things, you're right. It's not so interesting. But then also- And then we got to a place where like, we don't wanna do Zoom interviews. Yes. So we're waiting for people to be back. Zoom was like cool in the beginning,

cause it was like, oh, these people are saying yes now that you probably never could have got. And then it was like just endless interviews of stepping on each other's toes and delays and people. We interviewed somebody, we interviewed someone, they put their laptop on the other's toes and delays. And people, we interviewed someone, they put their laptop on the other side of the room. They were like this big on the screen and I was just fed up with that.

I was like, I can't do this anymore. And then also we reached the point where I just noticed that like every interview was like cookie cutter, generic questions, generic answers. And I was like, I hate this. No, I used to be like, come do a podcast. Yeah, and not so much an interview, but like a conversation. It's not like we're gonna hit all these questions.

This was like, where did you get your start? It's like, ah. And then it's just a back and forth. Right. The art of podcasting. Yes, that's kind of, and I was done with that. I was like, I'd rather just do, I also myself, once I started listening to podcasts,

I really didn't listen to them for the first several years. I was doing it. Right. It was probably a bad idea. I probably should have known the market a little better. But. No, I feel like everybody who has a successful podcast says that. They're like, I don't listen to podcasts. Right. I started too recently. I don't listen to them. I just do them. I also have just consumed them like through clips at this point. It's very interesting. But I, every time I'm, I put on one of my shows, if there's a guest, I'm like, I don't want to hear, I want to hear my, like the people. So I'm

like, I'm hoping that's what people feel about me and John, you know? So, so right, for the planet, you know, we'll have people in here and there, but for the most part, it's just us doing our thing. And then Jackie and, and Pabst are like our producer slash co-host as well. So we have this little family that's fun. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. I think we're the same way as well. So we have this little family that's a little foursome, yeah. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, I think we're the same way as well, but then it's fun to get to do interviews once in a while.

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for the last week, like kind of bombshell news, because we had reported on the toast that Justin Baldoni was subpoenaing Taylor Swift for text messages that allegedly Blake sent to Taylor, threatening Taylor to publicly take her side in the legal feud of Baldoni v. Lively. I love this one. This saga is good for business.

Yeah, this saga is good for business, but I do find, and I wanna know your high level take on the situation before we get into the weeds of this story. I do find it very hard to keep up with. Something will happen that feels like the biggest deal, and then the next day is, oh, they said that's not true and it's being dismissed. And then something small will happen. And I miss how it's like relevant.

And also, they're not starting the trial till 2026. So it's like, why are we even talking about this now? We got a long time to go. Right. So I've just sort of been like sitting tight and I don't pick if I picked updates every day, we would literally talk about this every day and people don't really love Claudia. And I take on it mostly Claudia's

cause she's still team Blake. Oh my God. What are you? So I was team Blake until a couple months ago. And like, I was a hard team Blake, especially last summer when it felt like she was being canceled by him and his like male feminism. And I'm like, yucky.

That's my high level, first of all, is that this is all the worst people in the world. Like, they are the worst. Justin Baldoni's like male feminist shit is the biggest grift and the funniest act. And if anybody falls for that shit, they are idiotic. Like, that is so blatant and transparent. But, and so it's hard for me to take the side

of a guy like that, but I'm pretty firmly in his camp, where it's like, I think Blake Lively has been even more insufferable. Right, so I do agree that like, even though I'm not like, obsessed with him, and this doesn't change how I feel about him, and I still wouldn't be like a fan, I wanna listen to his podcast.

Like, I do think when change how I feel about him, and I still wouldn't be a fan. I wanna listen to his podcast. I do think when you get into the weeds here, he did less wrong than her, and I think when that New York Times article came out of her side, it came out over Christmas, and it was like, oh my God, the pendulum totally swung in her direction, it was so good for her,

and then so quickly it all unraveled. There's also a difference between, if you're gonna sling mud, and it's like a he said, she said of like, gossip is one thing, but when you get hit with like a sexual harassment, like assault charge, or accusation at least, that's a whole different game. It's like, okay, we can talk about who was like

a diva on set or unprofessional, but like now you're saying that I assaulted you or something, that's a whole, you better have real proof on that, because that's a life-ruiner, career-ruiner, if it's true. And things got so bad for him after that article, of course he's gonna stop at nothing to get his good name back. Right.

So I think now in hindsight, they should, even though things were bad for Blake Lively last summer, and she was going through a period of unpopularity, and I think that was better than what's happening now. Because even someone like me last summer, I was like, you know what? Even if she's a diva, I don't care. That's not a crime.

Now we know. What did you think of the most beautiful woman in the world who's married to Ryan Reynolds and has a perfect life? It's so like- Is Zoomer down to earth normal? But that's also why I can't believe that her and Ryan Reynolds, because he now became part of this, whatever is at stake is not worth this.

Yeah. Like, I know that... I feel like the underlying thing was actually them trying to take the rights to the movies. To the movie and then so they can make this sequel. Sure. And I'm sure that is wildly profitable and there's a lot of money on the line, but it is not worth this. No. You have kids, you have Taylor Swift, you have like literal subpoenas. It's just like, you guys are rich and successful.

Just let this die or pull the plug and be like, all right, nevermind. And like you egg on your face, but just go back to your awesome life. Yeah. And like just leave us sort of like in the dust of confusion. And now it's like messing with Marvel and Deadpool, all that.

And I think the whole issue, like nobody wants to touch this with the ten foot pole. I think that the movie, and people forget that there was a movie based on the most popular book of the last five years. It should have been nominated for that Golden Globe of box office movies and the Oscars of success. It was so successful and I didn't watch the movie. I did read the book.

Did you watch the movie, but I did read the book. Did you watch the movie? No, I have not watched or read the book. I feel like that issue almost got like skirted because of the celebrity drama, but I feel like at least everything I learned about it was that Colleen Hoover and Blake Lively, like the way they approached that and made it into like this rom-com thing.

Like I really don't like Justin Baldoni's grift, but the fact that he was like working with the women's shelters and the foundations and all that felt like he was taking that topic more seriously than like grab your flowers and go with your girlies. And I was like, this is about abuse, you know? It was a very strange.

Correct, but I will disagree with you on just that point, because something that made the book really good is like you're reading the book and you think it's a Colleen Hoover love story, like, and the domestic violence, like, kind of, is so surprising and also confusing at first that you have to, like, you sort of go through this journey, like the main character does, of like, wait, what was that?

Like, was that an accident? Like, and I understood why they didn't want to promote the movie as like being about domestic violence, because it's not like a spoiler, but it does take away from the experience of like, watching it unfold, which contributed to like how it's not so cut and dry at first, like something happens and it could have been an accident. And then it's just like, it's gray and then it's not. So I understood why the, they wanted it to not be all about that

because the book like isn't really like that. So that was something that she did that, and the studio had said like, we don't want you to promote it as a movie. So when she did it, that didn't bother me, but I understand how it looks. Right, and especially when one guy is going like so far the other direction. But that was like him just, I think, being like the Right. And especially when one guy is going so far the other direction.

But that was him just, I think, being the worst. Yes. But still, not a sexual harasser, perhaps. Right. It's also one of those things, if you do a good thing for the wrong reason, it's like, was he really, like, I think he brought a bunch of survivors and victims to the premiere and donated.

And that's all very good things. I think he's doing it for his own good. It's part of his grift. But if you make those people happy. But he still did it. Yeah, so, but then that all kind of falls by the wayside once you go into the, I mean the drama of the website and the text messages.

Yeah. I was reading like 150 pages of text messages. I was like, what am I doing right now? No, I know. It got so dramatic and I just feel like, and Ryan Reynolds kind of gets pulled in and he goes kind of from like the golden boy to like everyone kind of being like.

I think he's sus. He is just such a one-trick. I used to think he was sus. I used to always think he was sus. And then when this actually all started to happen, and I never was like obsessed with her, like I never really thought about her, but then I felt really defensive of them.

I'm like, this is a nice couple. Like they don't deserve this. Like no one does. Right. And now I'm back on the sus train. I mean, it's almost a shame that Baldoni is such a slimy dude, because if he was just like a good person, I think it would be like open and shut, where it's just,

you guys are being horrible to this guy. But I mean, and then the Taylor Swift wrinkle is like, the most dramatic of all. That's the latest. So last week, and we had shared that he had subpoenaed Taylor Swift, he heard that she had these threatening messages from Blake's team saying like, you need to come out and publicly support me,

or else I'll show these messages that you sent. Before we do this, did you believe, like there was that news cycle of like, Taylor wants her out, like she's no longer friends, the dragon comments, all that. Right, right. For a long time, like, there was that news cycle of, like, Taylor wants her out, like, she's no longer friends, the dragon comments, all that. Right, right. For a long time, like, no, because I feel like everything that they say about her

that's, like, conjecture is just wrong. I even saw a headline today that's, like, Taylor Swift seemingly celebrates Justin Baldo because she went out to dinner. So she had dinner, and so she's celebrating someone's legal win against the country. I mean, the dots tell you can connect. I mean, people just make up stories

It's like fan fiction. It really is just making things up But like Blake is the godmother or Taylor's the godmother Blake's children Taylor writes songs about her children Like I think that that's a friendship that's harder to break Then just like someone who's composing an inconvenience like I'm getting bad press. There's also right I mean, I don't know too much about her songs I know that she's had the kids like- And names in the songs and also like their voices. Gorgeous and everything.

Oh, so you know what? Yeah, yeah, but- I don't know about that. But making Taylor Swift, making anybody the godmother of your kids three times, I think is a little weird. Like I almost feel like that's a one way thing. Oh. You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. Like she wants Taylor Swift to be the godmother. Again, I'm making fan fiction here, I don't know. But it just feels like in doing it myself, it's kind of like you do like your sister and then her brother. And it's like, I think you want Taylor Swift to be the godmother of your kids. And she did it like a bunch and wants to be.

I could say, I want Taylor Swift to be the godmother. My kids are all of a sudden, we're so close. Is Taylor Swift gonna say no? You know, you wanna be the godmother of kids? We all of a sudden, we're so close. Taylor Swift can say no? You want to be the godmother of kids? We've already done this twice. I don't want to, no. You just keep, you know. So part of me almost feels like that was like.

It was like a clout. Yes, I think she's very, you wouldn't think Blake Lively is looking for clout, but when you're talking about attaching yourself to that one, like that's the most clout of all. So I mean, I really, I don't know anything about their relationship other than like they went to a football game once together

and the godmother stuff. But I would be, if it was me and you're calling me dragon and talking about that and using me in your shit, I'd be like, I don't like that. Yeah. My thought was they were such good friends. This was just my feeling. Such best friends, like a sisterhood almost.

There's nothing that that person could do that would surprise you. So when, I would ride for any of my friends, even if they're objectively wrong, but like I would think that they're right because that's my friend. Like we think the same, we do the same. So like to drop like a lifelong friend,

because it just doesn't feel congress with like true friendship. So maybe to your point, they weren't as good of friends, but I do think she was like Taylor's strongest celebrity friend. Like, you know, she has Abigail. Yeah, like she was always like, she's been around the longest and forever

and so much so that their families are like intertwined. So that was what was surprising to me, but I guess maybe the friendship just wasn't what we thought it was. I also think you reached a point with a girl like Taylor Swift who like disappeared for a couple of years, went through hell, scooter bra and stuff.

And then you come back and you've made it basically, like beat everybody, beat Kanye, beat Scooter, all that. And then all of a sudden there's like this chance that this movie and this guy and all this shit might tear you down or you get involved in a lawsuit or whatever. I would be very quick to be like, keep me though. I want to be excluded from this narrative. I'm not risking it for all this. You know what I mean? Yeah. But I think if it was like a better friendship, yeah, like for like a sisterhood,

then we'll find out if then you're just moral compass is like, I wouldn't drop my friend because of what people are saying. Especially if you believe her story. And she's at the level where she can do what she wants. This won't ruin her reputation. Like, even if she's, like, in the muck with them, I think people also can see through that they're sort of using her name to, like, every time her name's in the case, like, we're talking about it. So I just feel like it's not like her celebrity status is so precarious, so, like, she has to be like, oh, I can't have a whiff of scandal. You know, there are people out there,

there's the Candace Owens of the world who, like, you know, latched on kind of, like, looking for an angle to tear down Taylor. I don't think it will happen, but if there was even a chance or I had to go through that or whatever I don't think this I'd be like, yeah, I agree with that But anyway, so the tea this morning is that apparently the insider and then last week Justin Baldo needs team like rescinded Their subpoena of Taylor. Yeah, so okay then Page six is reporting this morning that the insider who leaked Blake Lively's alleged threat to release Taylor's private record, but I think it's a little bit of a surprise and did their subpoena of Taylor. So, okay. Then page six is reporting this morning that the insider who leaked Blake Lively's alleged threat to release Taylor's private text has been revealed

and they're saying it's her father, Scott Swift. He reportedly- Drama. Drama, I didn't see that one. I thought it was gonna be like some publicist. I was like, this is valid here. Yeah, yeah. But no, he reportedly went to Justin Balnody's team

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I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna gave up this information as part of a deal that would include Justin's team withdrawing their subpoena for Taylor. Well, looks like that happened. Girl, dad, let's go. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure there's a world where, like, Scott is his name, Scott Swift should probably just stay out of her business, she's a multi-billion dollar enterprise, whatever.

But like, if that was me, if that's my daughter, and like, I know that that's going on I think like he works on her team. So like it's not just like a dad who's sticking his nose where it shouldn't be Yeah, I have no problem with him riding like that and just being like I'm not letting you get my girl like that No, I kind of like it too. Yeah, like I'm sure Taylor and tree pain everybody doesn't want like the family out there But I think there's like they should almost lean into this in a way and be like, yeah, daddy's little girl

is not gonna be exploited, extorted, none of that shit. No, and if it was tree, then it goes sort of back to this manipulative PR narrative of she's pulling the puppet strings, Aaron Taylor, but when it's just a dad protecting his daughter, it's like, you're love. It's just love. It's just love.

Yeah, I mean, I also, is it the lawyers or was it Blake Lively? You know, was it like Blake Lively's lawyer talking to Taylor Swift or Taylor Swift lawyers saying, we need you to publicly support us. Cause that's also, it's being characterized as like, Blake Lively texted Taylor, if you don't publicly support me.

You know, that's very different than lawyers doing what lawyers do, trying to like win the case, you know? But also like, going through lawyers is even more escalated. Because it just has a threat. When you want to tell your friend something, you just text them. And even if you come up with a crazy, you send a rage check, that's how friends friend.

I wouldn't have my lawyer tell my friend's lawyer that my friend needs to do something. That's where I feel like if that's the road this has gone I wouldn't have my lawyer tell my friend's lawyer that my friend needs to do something. Right. That's where I feel like if that's the road this has gone down, either there wasn't that close of a friendship or if there was, it's gone now. You're doing lawyers like that and your dad is out here defending you.

I love that. I think that's awesome. I think it's really cute. And I mean, it's, I think Baldoni's lawyer, what's his name, Brian Steele, I think is very smart. Oh, you know the lawyer? Yeah. The gorgeous. You're Oh, you know the lawyer? Yeah. The gorgeous.

Yeah, I'm there. You're in it. Yes, I'm very happy to be here because I'm like, I can talk about all these things that nobody on my show cares about. But like, I think he is, I think it's very smart to pose this at least as like, we don't want to bother Taylor, you know what I mean?

Like, we got what we need, you don't need to be involved, and then it's almost like she's on your side, if you will. Like, I think he's been playing it very, very smart so far. Yeah, and it looks that way, as long as nothing worse happens, because every time someone does something right, it like gets totally, like, swings back the other way. I don't know, when I saw like, what was supposed to be

like a bombshell clip of Baldoni, like this was when the cameras were rolling. And it was like, I don't know, that looks like a kissing scene in a movie. Like none of the smoking guns were really smoking guns. No, yeah. I totally agree. Those clips just made me never want to watch another movie. It was like you're slimy and smart. It's weird, like you're both married and you're kissing each other. And like even when the cameras are rolling, you're still holding each other.

Do you think there's any of that going on? That they're like... That could have been... Some people say, that's how it started, Chet, a crush on him. I really don't think it's that juvenile. I think it's more so about stealing the second movie. But no, I feel like you hold that... Actors are just weird. And seeing those clips just made me realize that even more so.

It's just a weird fashion. It's reality show, You know what I mean? It's like all just for appearances and attention and all that But I also when I talk about it people are you know a lot of the guys Traditionally are like who cares about this gossip and I get it But also you're talking about if you like movies and you like Hollywood and it's like this was kind of like a hostile takeover Of a movie and book series like that's interesting to me Yeah, this is all rooted in business and money

and like, you know, trying to take the rights. I think there's something, whether you're, you know, it's not Hollywood gossip, it's like this is business. Yeah, I agree. High level, it's very interesting. In the weeds every single day. Bit much. Not my favorite.

Right. But we go like, we're probably once a week around here. Little update. Next story was some big news from last week that we absolutely have to talk about because Justin Bieber like is what, I mean the overall question is always what's going on with him,

but especially so because Hailey Bieber was on the cover of Vogue. She had a beautiful Vogue spread. She did some hysterical videos with Vogue, just like such a beautiful moment for her in general, for any woman. She talks about her postpartum experience, pregnancy, it was just an amazing interview.

I'm sure you saw the videos of her with like the tincture and like just overall, like couldn't have a negative thing to say about it until her husband chimed in with the world's weirdest Instagram caption. I would call it that. This is not a great one, not a great one. So Justin Bieber posted the cover to his Instagram, pretty much recounting a memory of a fight that they had.

And he had said, hold on, let me get the quote here. He said, yo, this reminds me. Yo, he's like almost the worst part. I haven't read it out loud yet. It's going to be painful. Yo, this reminds me when Haley and I got into a huge fight. I told Hales that she would never be on the cover of Vogue. Yikes, I know.

So mean. He recalled saying the insult because he felt so disrespected and thought I got to get even. He said, I think as we mature, we realize that we're not helping anything by getting even. We're honestly just prolonging what we really want, which is intimacy and connection. So baby, you already know, but forgive me for saying you wouldn't get a Vogue cover because clearly I was sadly mistaken. So after a few hours of being dragged for this, he changed the caption

to a bunch of emojis, but the stench remains. I'm going to stand up for Beams a little bit on this one. OK, I love that. And not almost a devil's advocate. I just mean, I love devil's advocate. I love contrarian and not. Yeah, like, because there's really no on this one. Okay, I love that. And almost a devil's advocate way. I just mean I love devil's advocate, I love contrarian and not. Yeah, like, cause there's really no defending this one, but I think this is just another,

like he put his foot in his mouth as like a dumb husband who like thought that he was owning up to something like, and it probably was a fight and she was right. And he's thinking I'm gonna publicly like own this and and it just You know did not come across that way at all. Yeah, whether the words the timing whatever um I would hope maybe i'm hoping that because if it is just like, uh, okay She has all the attention. How do I take it away?

Then he that really is shitty, but I think it was more of like a I thought I mean guys are dumb A lot of times like the eq of a lot of guys is very low. I don't think it was more of like a, I thought, I mean, guys are dumb a lot of times. Like the EQ of a lot of guys is very low. I don't think it's as like, Sinister. Based and sinister as like, she can't be about her, it's about me. I think he thought he was like saying something good about himself and something good about her.

Yeah. Like, but it just did not come off that way at all. If that was public, if he had said in the past, you're never, why ever that would be public. But, and if he had said in the past you're never Whatever that would be public But and then he just said like posted his former headline and was like I was wrong right but to expose it people didn't know This and then you expose it and then ruin the moment It just and like in the first moment of the cover like if he just posted the cover was like proud of my girl And then like later, I don't know on a podcast or whatever

proud of my girl. And then later, I don't know, on a podcast or whatever, you guys, it's like, you know what? We once actually had a sex. A funny story or whatever. Interesting little tidbit. That's a little more understandable. I feel like people do that and they're sort of telling on themselves, but it was a learning moment.

Right. And she did it. Do it on a Dax Shepard show. Yeah, or you're exposing your marital problems. But that moment should just be, congratulations, baby. Right. Then it was really bad and I also think like... Or let her. Right.

You know what? At one time Justin told me and then you, you know what I mean? Yeah. But to... I do think that was probably like once he saw the reaction, he was probably like, oh my god, like I'm an idiot. Not like a... Well... I hope. I don't know, maybe I'm giving too much credit. I feel like also in the context of his recent behavior, it's worse.

If he was just coming off solid as a rock and he slipped up with this ill-timed post, like, I'm a forgiving person, and I am, and I even hear him. I feel as though I'm giving grace in the moment. But just like in the context of everything else that he's been doing in the last few weeks in acting and looking and being. But doesn't that, I almost feel like more sympathetic.

Yeah, like he's not in a good spot. I think there's enough for me where there's smoke, there's fire, like I don't believe that he's broke, but I think there might be financial troubles. I don't know what the truth is with the ditty stuff, but there's enough, even just those headlines, if something happened then it's like yeah you are a victim and I'm sure you've been your life is very tough but even just like having the headlines if they're untrue you're like how do I handle this and

like none of it seems healthy I'm sure his entire life has not been healthy yeah being in the spotlight since you're like 12 I give that guy a lot of grace because I know he's been kind of an idiot and he's done like dumb juvenile shit But I don't think it's as easy for Justin Bieber as people would imagine like oh you're a pop star and you're handsome And you know I think he's gone through some dark shit like yeah That's either the like literally the worst thing that can happen to you or at the very least exploited and all that sort of stuff You know yeah, so in that case

It's almost like, oh, I think you're not in your right mind and you're not thinking straight at all. And that might explain why that post was so tone deaf and stupid. Yeah, I think he's not in his right mind at the moment, but I feel like in the last few years, he was more in his right mind.

And there was a time when he was really acting out. And then he sort of settled. And he went away. And then he got married and he has a baby. And it's like, again, why now? Perhaps did he, perhaps financial issues. I don't know. None of it's good though.

No. Again, if it's true, you're in a real bad spot and if it's not, it's like, do I deny this? It's one of those things, do I acknowledge the rumors? I don't know what to do in those spots. There's really no right answer anymore. I agree. Well, I think that's very generous

But I'm sure he was in the dog house Yeah, I think he lives every day I've always said that the that the dog house is not a place that most guys go in and out of It's just how big is your dog house Do you have enough room to like spin around and like sit over here and sit over there? Or is it just like one dog house that you're permanently stuck in? That's how big is it today?

Do I have a little bit of wiggle room or am I totally fucked? That's the dog house. Our next story I would say is also good for your business because Jordan Hudson continues to fuel engagement rumors with Bill Belichick by sporting a ring on her left ring finger. So what are your thoughts on Jordan and Bill?

Jordan Hudson is, this is, so I'm a Jets fan, from the football point of view, the Jets fans. I do want the football point of view here. So like we hate Bill Belichick. We hate him, okay. Like as a Jets, Jets and the Patriots are in the same division, right? So that means you play, like to get to the playoffs,

you have to win your division. The Patriots won the division a billion years in a row. Bill Belichick at one point was supposed to be the Jets head coach. He resigned by writing on a piece of a piece on a napkin. I resigned as head coach of the New York Jets and just like handed it over. It's a lot of history between the Jets

and Tom Brady and Bill Belichick and the Patriots. So, and he's won. Like there was no, it wasn't a rivalry. He just kicked our ass forever. So I hated this guy, and he was this like football, Darth Vader like, right? Like nothing but football. So this is like, when I tell you that

from a football fan point of view, this might be the most shocking thing to ever happen. Like I'm not exaggerating. Like in no world did anybody ever predict that Bill Belichick would have a 24 year old girlfriend who's like a Disney princess villain running his life and like causing this scene. Like I would have told you anything else

is possible than this. So as a Jets fan watching his legacy, you know, a little bit like fall apart is very satisfying as Like a guy as a man who I'm like watching this dude who had this amazing sports life And now it's kind of being ruined by whatever this is. I'm like, what are you fucking doing? Yeah, it is I Can't even put it towards how insane do you feel bad for him or you couldn't? So you know what's funny when I, my first thought was like this is gonna appear to be like old creepy man.

Yes and it did like ruin young lady. I feel like it flipped. It's young lady taking advantage of an old sick man. Like that I didn't see coming just because you know the way the world is and the way the optics would look. You think oh he's just buying and she has to sleep with him like she having her shit Classic stuff. But yeah, you know the good old like trotting truth He's always on his side

Exactly, but then like there was one headline I remember which one it was but it was like all of a sudden it flipped to Bill is trapped and she's like it was the interview. Yeah, that was really what like set it off. But she legit looks like Ursula when she becomes the human. I actually just watched that. She steals the voice. She looks exactly like that. Like kind of the big crazy eyes and the brunette and like,

I think this girl is nefarious. I think she is like, you know what I mean? girl is nefarious. I think she is, like, you know what I mean? This is just like a, you guys don't understand our love. It's like you're acquiring millions of dollars of real estate. You're COO of a company that doesn't exist. She did it before with another rich old guy, you know?

There was a moment where people were kind of treating her. Some people were like, she's like a girl boss. And I was like, dude, she's 24. I'm like, maybe you're smart and successful, but you still don't know like anything about anything yet. And you're acting like you know everything about football and media and all this shit that it's like, relax, you know? Yeah, I would agree with that. Question for you that we couldn't get to the bottom of on the show. Why is he coaching college football now at UNC? So he kind of like split from the Patriots in a very,

he said, she said, like, they say we fired you. He says, no, we left on, you know, whatever terms. So once, you know, he's like dominated the pro level. He's won every Super Bowl there is to win. And I feel like it was kind of, it's almost like you're easing into retirement. You know what I mean? College is a lot less pressure.

Like you go up the mountain and then back down. Yeah, and rather than just like retiring all the way, like I don't have anything in my life. And UNC, it's not like he went to like, if you went to Alabama, Alabama is like a really pressure packed, have to win every year. UNC is just thrilled to have a football legend coach.

There's only upside. Right. So I think they were like, sure, let's get Bill Belichick. Now all of a sudden it's like his 24 year old girlfriend is coaching the team and they're probably like, what the fuck is going on? Oh my God. Well, is that like a normal thing for coaches to like then go coach college? Oh, that-

Oh, not to have their girlfriends making the plans. There's enough, there's a couple coaches that like go both ways. Like I dominated in college. Now I want to try my hand at the pros. Usually those guys go to the pros and like flame out because when you have grown men, they're making millions of dollars. They don't just like worship the ground. You walk on. It's hard to coach. You know? Yeah. Going the other direction is like I went from Tom Brady to like this 18 year old kid who just is gonna do whatever I say. You know what I mean? So in that sense, I think it does make sense.

But everything feels weird to me now. What once was just like, oh yeah, he's just gonna coach like a small time person. Right, but now I'm like, was she involved in this? You know, did you want to retire, but like she made you take a job or you needed something to stay in the media? I don't know

I just have like my tinfoil hat on with everything because this is so weird Yeah that it felt strange to begin with and now I'm like there might be even more than what we see Yeah, his family is they must be so pissed like where his kids there's I think they there's his daughter his daughter-in-law Spoke out like on an Instagram comment. It was like this is bullshit, but like the actual I don't think the actual Belichick kids have said anything I heard that she ran into his ex-wife and they had words. I saw that I Don't know I go back and forth to though. I'm a very big fan of like let people live their life and do it He's like a grown man. It doesn't seem like he has like cognitive issues So if you want you have he's making millions of If you want, he has jillions of dollars,

you wanna give a few millions to this girl. I don't know, it seems weird, but if he's happy, she's happy, as long as it's all consensual and safe, like then leave them alone. It looks weird, but not the first and not the last. But then there's a part of me that's like, I don't know, we gotta draw a line somewhere. Yeah, no, and we can say that it's like,

it's, we could, you know, we could just say that. And also her, she keeps portraying herself as like this, I'm his I'm not his girlfriend. I am his girlfriend. I'm his public. I would say I would counter that with then you're doing a bad fucking job. Right. Because all the talk if you were to analyze another celebrity with a PR person, it would be like, if everyone's talking about your PR person, that's not good. Right. Talking about you and the job and the fact that we have drama. No, like the PR is trending negative now. So that's not good. Yeah. You're not hitting the targets. Right. So either you're bad at your job or you're kind of lying about your job, one or the other. As far as her with an engagement ring, like whether or not they're engaged if they get married, I don't think it really matters. Like they're together. As long as they're together, they're together. The initial report was she has told at least one person,

I don't think Jordan Hudson is the type to do that quietly. I think if she gets the ring and they're getting married, it's gonna be a Justin Bieber post. Yeah, or maybe it's like she wants to be engaged to him. So she's like kind of putting it out into the world. Like we're engaged, here's a ring on my finger. So much to the point that like people already think they're engaged and it's like she wants to be engaged to him, so she's kind of putting it out into the world, like we're engaged, here's a ring on my finger. So much to the point that people already think they're engaged and it's like, oh, so why don't,

are they engaged? Yeah. He's like, meh, whatever, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh. He's gonna walk down the aisle in a cutoff hoodie. And what's with the holes in the shirt? It's just what he's always done. He's always been like a very, he literally wears hoodies with cutoff sleeves

and holes on the sideline. Doesn't do like social media or any of that stuff. That's why it's so crazy when he's on Instagram doing like yoga poses on the beach. She's dressed like a mermaid. It's like crazy. I can't even, I was trying to think of like a, of an analogy of like, this would be like if Taylor Swift, I can't even think of something. It's so unbelievably far-fetched, but.

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That's cute. That I like a little, what are they called? I know what you mean. You know like that commercial, like I think it was like an orbit commercial, where it's like they just do that with worth. Yeah. So what do you think is the first couple?

Do you think Brangelino was the first one? Oh, that's a good question. They were among the biggest. Yeah, that's always fun to have a couple name. Yeah, so Jutes and now Dutes, I guess. Demi and Lutes got married in a romantic wedding on Sunday as first reported by Vogue. So it was a Vogue wedding, took place in Santa Barbara.

Pictures are in Vogue and also some aerial photos, paparazzi photos of the wedding. Very beautiful, very traditional. Like, which I think is- Not celebrity, it was just kind of like standard. Well, yes, it was like very like standard, like girly getting married, but also Demi has been very alternative

for much of how we've known her. I would think that she would be like. Like rocker, black wedding dress. But no, she's like going all out, you know, in a chooky like fashion, which I love. What do you, I feel like I can, obviously get involved in all this gossip, reality stuff, but where I kinda like check out is,

I don't like, a wedding does not do it for me, where I feel like the girls go like bonkers for like, I wanna see the dress, I wanna see the flowers, I wanna see the pictures, whatever. Yeah, when I see someone else's wedding. Yes. So typically I agree, like I don't, I'm not like looking really for more,

I'm just like, okay, she's a married woman now and it's actually interesting, the style choice that she made just because she's been so unconventional for a very long time. So that's the interesting part here. In general, I'm not like picking apart people's weddings, but every once in a while, a wedding comes along that just changes the whole industry.

Changes the game. So I would say like the last wedding and we could relate on this would be Olivia Colbo and Christian McCaffrey. That's like the last great wedding. Because of like the look wedding and we could relate on this would be Olivia Colpo and Christian McCaffrey. That's like the last great wedding. Because of the look, the aesthetic of it or? The aesthetic, the location, the people who came, the two of them, they come from like both celebrities, but a little bit different worlds.

And then her dress was weirdly controversial. It was literally the most traditional conservative dress you've ever saw. So like that one, something like that I love. And then before that was like Sophia Richie Grange, like she set the bar high for bride. So every once in a while, like a wedding comes along that I'm like, my ears perk up. But typically, no, I'm not like gooped and gagged for someone else's wedding unless I happen to be engaged. Yeah, right, right.

I just feel like it's a, there's a divide there with guys and girls. Oh, for sure. Like, you know what I mean? Like I can get involved in a lot of the gossipy stuff, but there's never gonna be a world where like me and the guys are like, did you see Demi's dress? Did you see Olivia Caldwell's wedding dress?

Right. Well, actually I think we have a question about that at Dear Toasters, I wanted to get your opinion because it has to do with a couple planning a wedding. But our fifth and final story, just some fun news is that Alex Earl is joining Dancing with the Stars season 34. So the whole cast hasn't been announced yet,

but Alex Earl is joining Robert Irwin, who is Steve Irwin's son, I believe he's on the cast, and she's on the cast and we'll await who else is on it. But she's doing Dancing with the Stars, which I actually feel like is surprising. I think it's a big gap for Dancing with the Stars. It is a big gap for Dancing with the Stars. And I feel like Dancing with the Stars

is like one of those things, a lot of people like look down their nose on it and would never do it. And it's like a mark of like, just not has been. B-level reality star type thing. But I feel like there are people, myself included, who are like, if I get famous, I want to go on Dancing with the Stars.

It's a dream. I feel like for her, it's like that. And I think for her doing more traditional television is what she wants to do. She just presented at the AMAs last night. So proud of us for getting through this episode without mentioning the AMAs. No, I didn't, yeah.

Seriously so irrelevant. I actually turned on the beginning and thankfully I got distracted and I could only watch JLo's opening performance. She's just kissing a bunch of people. She's just kissing a bunch of people and like dancing her ass off. Like for what?

Like why is she working so hard? That was crazy. I didn't even, I guess I was like Jennifer Lopez is like, that was stunning. It was crazy that she was hosting. Yeah. Cause like she's not a host. I was like, is she performing? No, she's hosting?

Or why is she hosting? None of it makes sense. In service of what? I feel like it's to sell tickets for her next tour, her resident, whatever she has next, to show, JLo still got it. She can dance. She can sing.

I got a message received. Yeah, we know. Understood. She's a tough one. She's got PR issues. I know. I know. But I just feel like no one can tell her anything. If she wants to do something, she's going to do it.

Yes, 100%. So I do see this trend with Alex Earl, where she's obviously conquered the internet. Getting on TV, it's like even though she's more interesting and has more influence than the whole network, it's a different beat. It's funny. You always want like what you, you know what I mean?

If you're conquering traditional media, I would kill to be a different beat. It is funny. You always want like, which you, you know what I mean? Yeah. If you're conquering traditional media, you're like, I would kill to be a TikTok star. And when you're a TikTok star, you're like, let me go and dance with the stars. Right. I think dance with the stars is like, I understand that because they, I think they went through a lull where there was probably

a lot of like rejects or whatever. Yeah, like has-beens. Has-beens is a good word. But I also think they've been around for like, probably 35 seasons now, and it becomes a little bit of a nostalgia thing. Yeah. If you do get a couple big names,

it's still like an institution. You know? And I think this is a, like, Alex Earl does not need to do anything she doesn't want to do. So that means she wants to do this, and she's excited to do it. That's big for them. I agree.

And then also, when you think about it, she'll be on ABC once a week, 8 o'clock. That's going to open her up to more people that don't know, the exact people who don't know her, which is not that many people at this point. But there she is. But the people who don't, it's all, it's going to get 10 million viewers or whatever.

All 10 million are meeting Alex Earl. So when you've conquered a whole sect of the world, basically, you got to go to these like alternative, you know, spots to get more, you know, another demo. Yeah. And that's what I think is going on here. It's just almost backwards in a way, you know? Yeah. Like at some point, you know, you probably always want to be cutting edge and cool. But eventually you're like, if I've done all that, I got to go get like the moms in the Midwest. Here I go.

Dancing with the stars. I think she'll be great. She went on GMA and was talking about how she danced in high school. She has like a dance background. She's not dancing illiterate, but she's obviously not like a professional, which is also like an issue. It's a good spot to be though.

It is, cause also when you're a professional, people hate on you. Cause it's like, what do you hear? You're meant to be an amateur. Right, but if you're amateur who's good, you're like right on that line, then you go, you advance. And if you have a lot of fans, you get the fan vote and then you get a decent score

and that's how you win Dancing with the Stars. This also makes me feel like she is trying to be like, maybe like a host of Good Morning America or something like that, like I wanna be like a traditional, I'm not just gonna be the internet podcaster, especially like I don't want to call her daddy, maybe like reputation, whatever. It feels like I'm trying to be like in every home in America. Right. And I think it's a good strategy. And we've said like her and her family, I feel

like they're going to have a reality show or they're ripe for it. They'll be great for it. So what ended up happening? Like there was that, you know, rift with Alex and then she let her go, right? Was that like amicable or? No, definitely not amicable. I think Licks, L-I-X, Earl wanted to leave the network and then by the time they got around to making the arrangements where like she was leaving,

then Unwell put out a statement, we've dropped her and they said drop. And then she's like the biggest show on the network, like obviously he wasn't dropped. So that's where I think it was like the biggest show on the network, like obviously he wasn't dropped. So that's where I think it was like getting contentious, but if they had parted more amicably, maybe there would be like a way back to a friendship or whatever.

But that was a burned bridge. And any whispers about it at the Barstool office? It was, there was like, Dave joked about hiring her because when Grace left Barstool, Alex signed her. So he made an identical TikTok to what Alex made, Alex Cooper made about signing Grace. I think that a lot of people missed the joking part of that. Dude, I thought it was real. I thought it was real too.

There's no reason, like Dave can do all this shit, you know? No, and even though I probably, I think I saw the one that like Alex made with Grace, it didn't compute like this Just I mean I texted him being like are we citing her and he was like I don't think anyone in the world can afford that girl like she doesn't need to be on the network But I definitely thought it was real. I think I thought it was real too. Yeah, I forgot there's so much lore between unwell and Barstool I was just thinking about the call her daddy stuff, but then also the grace stuff Yeah, I mean the so Alex came to Alex Cooper came to the Barstool office like a year ago

And she was filming her documentary that I think is like on the verge of coming out. Mm-hmm and It was very like, you know, Alex has gone on to become this like superstar But never really like she's been kind about Dave and Barstool But it was not like she was like I came from Barstool or you know. Barstool proud. Right and when she came back in it was like with the cameras and everything it was very like I'm home I'm back and I think a lot of people were like you know you never even like talk to me when you're here you know but I ended up I don't know if it's gonna make it at

all but I did like it they interviewed me for the documentary and they were kind of going in an angle, like almost like a feminist angle where like, it was hard for her to be like a girl at Barstool, right? And I was like, no, like not at all. Like she clearly thrived, like nothing was hard. You know what I mean? And they were like, but it was different. And I, you know, they were hammering that.

So I'm a little bit nervous if that comes out, like how that's gonna appear, but that was funny. Did they talk to the other women at Barstool? No. Like Fran and Rhea? No, I don't know if they were in there. Maybe they could talk about being in Barstool. I was gonna say, yeah, why don't you talk to me?

Go talk to the girls, you know? You talk, like in addition to. Right, but I was just more like, I never thought Alex was going to be I don't think anybody did probably aside from Alex I think she was gonna be like the level that she was at and when she first came in it was kind of like she was You know ruffling some feathers and and it was a little bit like dramatic and I was like I don't know if it's gonna work boy was I fucking wrong It worked. Yeah, so that was more what I was saying in my interview

It was like before the show started like before the show started to take off. Yeah, yeah. Like early on it was just like, you know. Like a raunchy sex podcast. Yeah, which is fine. Like I mean I kind of had one of those for a while, but like it was it was more like she just came in and it was like I don't give a fuck and and there was kind of a hierarchy and she didn't give a shit about that and that's how you end up being like super successful. Yeah. But at the time it was kind of like, what's what's going on here? And like, I don't know Is this gonna work? Why aren't you like, you know, they were very kind of separate and it was just like eventually Oh, you're so successful. You can do that. But in the beginning it was a little like

But until you're so successful, you can't do that. Yes Yeah, but and it went quick and then it's just like jealousy and you know territories and shit like that Yeah It's like why are you guys I remember watching their blogs and they would like not go into the office and it's so funny Yes. And it went quick. And then there's just like jealousy and territories and shit like that. Where people are kind of like. Yeah, where it's like, why are you guys, I remember watching their blogs and they would like not go into the office and it was so funny. Right. But I'm sure if you're working at Barstow,

like nine to five. It was like, what the fuck? It's like, wait, what about us? Yeah, there was a lot of that for sure. It was kind of like, hey, let's all be friends. Like come on the show. And it was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Like, see you never.

Getting in the culture, like other people do that, but they didn't and they didn't have to. Did they ask about Sophia at all? Like, is she in this conversation at all? When they- For the documentary? Or is she just like crazy? No, I don't think they,

I think they're just pretending that never happened. Man, what a, what a bag fumble that was. That was the craziest time. And the fact that it was all over that guy, the HBO boyfriend. Suit Man. Suit Man is unfortunately for two girls and specifically one girl, Alex, that were bucking the trend and everything that was about men and women dynamics, they threw out the window, and then it all came down to a boyfriend. You know what I mean? At least for Sophia, where it was like,

you're listening to this guy. You know what I mean? It was almost sad that it ended up resorting to that. Yeah. Like she should've just been like, fuck this guy. You know what I mean? Like let's just do, like me and you hash it out, but it was a guy.

Right, right, right, right. Between the two of them. Not about the negotiations in general, cause like, they had a case, like their show was like the biggest, like it was just an anomaly that had happened. That is the eternal push-pull, is like. Right, like you get all this, but you're giving up this,

and you just have to like wait it out. And it really, it works like, it's kind of 50-50. And you know, if you're like Dave and Barstool, you'll always claim we were the reason you blew up. And if you're Alex and Sophia, you would be like, well, without us, there'd be nothing to blow up. But it's like, it's just the perfect, when it hits, it really is.

And then you outgrow it and you move on. But would you ever got there with that? How do you feel when athletes want to renegotiate their contracts that they're up and they want more money if they're playing well That's kind of the the same thing where it's like But do you think that they should wait or that they should get more money in the middle? Uh it really depends on like you you run the risk of like injury and if you're really really good and you're healthy and you're like I would just bide my Time and then when I'm a free agent,

like sign the most money I can. What usually happens is if you sign early, you give up some years later. So it's like, right now I'm making $500,000 a year. I could sign a contract where I make $4 million a year. That's great. But that 4 million is also gonna run into a few years where I could be making like 35.

Right, so you think they should wait. You think it's better for them to wait, but say they're someone who doesn't want to wait. Like, what do you think management should do? I think it's always good to keep good talent and lock them up if you can. Like Call Her Daddy? Yeah, well, you know what was very interesting with Call Her Daddy

and pretty much every show at Barstool Because we've done a couple like in-house ones We've done some like celebrities who kind of come in as like mercenaries you reach a point where No matter how big you are You can't justify like certain salaries Yeah You know and especially for like when we were owned by Penn entertainment, it was like a casino conglomerate. They were in growth mode.

They were like, we don't care about necessarily turning a profit. We just want to be bigger, more talent, more whatever. If that's the case, then like, let's go. But now Dave owns the company again. It's like his money is his bottom line. And it's like, you are a monster. But if I pay you $10 million a year, there's not enough ad reads and sponsorships and shit to make that money back. Right. It's just impossible. It's

just math. And you might be a loss leader and it might help the business other here, but eventually it reaches a point where it's like, go, because we'll try to find the next one of you. Yeah. Yeah. Which is not easy, but we've done a great job. Yeah, you guys have done a great job. Big fan. Thanks. I'm very, The Toast is one of the shows that really is always in like every girl I ever speak to is always like, you know, it's, we have a pretty, my show specifically, I would say is probably, I think everybody thinks Barstool is all men, you know?

Yeah. And I think our show is probably like 60, 40, like 65, 35, like 65, 35. Like we have a lot of females. So like there's a lot of overlap because when we see them at live shows or we like interact with them, it's always, I'm like, who else do you guys listen to and like?

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And if we ever skip it, like seriously, people riot in the streets because they live for Dear Toasters. So I tried to pick some that we could really use the male perspective on and let's get into them. First up, I've been dating my P. John boyfriend. That means precious gem of a man.

So when they say P. John boyfriend- Is that a toast thing? That's a toast thing. And just know that like he's in a great guy. Like mention just like the relationship might be worth saving because otherwise good guy. But obviously there's a problem if she's writing it. For four years they've been dating

and we've been long distance for the past two. We are about to move across the country and live together for the first time. I love him a lot and there have been zero red flags to date. That is until last weekend. While visiting him, I needed to borrow some socks and as I was reaching for a pair, I instead grabbed my own worn undies.

I immediately pulled them out and saw there were several more pairs. Should I confront him about this? What should I say? Sincerely, a toaster who has been looking for her favorite pair of seamless skims for months. And this episode is brought to you by Skims, which is hysterical.

That is funny. So he's been stealing her undies. What do you do? These are the things that when you start to cohabitate, you find some weird shit about people, right? I suppose we gotta go a step further and be like, what are you doing with said underwear? It might be something that he's into.

And so on the one hand, it's theft. You're taking my undies, they're nice, pricey undies. At least take the ones with holes. And on the other hand, it's the secrecy. Because if this is your partner for four years, even if they're into something that's a little off the beaten path, you should know about that. Yeah, but I also think that,

I think you can be in a a good healthy relationship and still be Have like secrets private things not secrets makes it sound bad But just like I'm a little nervous to tell you about this or like it's a kink or something that I'm like a little bit ashamed of or embarrassed about and It's still hard for people to say those things even if you that they should, like the goal is that they share those things? It might take time. Yeah. Well, if it involves other people's belongings

and their intimate underwear, then- But I also think it's a function of the long distance relationship. Like maybe this was how he was feeling close to you. Like in times of separation. They have moved in or? They are about to move in together again after two years of doing long distance.

Got it. So she was there though. And so he's been like swiping these while they did the part. Yeah, yeah I mean that could be it right and the problem solves itself when you move in together But now do you want to move in with a panty snatcher? Yeah, and also do you want to start off on like a lie or a secret or whatever? You know what I mean? Yeah And the big question is like do you talk to him about it? Do you mention, I saw it?

These are all things that you should. You should be very honest. And he should tell her, I have a fetish or whatever, and this is what I'm doing. She should be like, hey, I found these. But these are all hard things to do when you're a little bit afraid of like confrontation or whatever maybe. I think this is one that like maybe you like leave it out on top of the dresser and he kind of gets the

point of like, oh she saw, yeah, it's on me to say something. Yes, yes. Or I don't know I mean I think probably the absolute best thing in this spot is to confront him in a very understanding way. Gentleman. Yeah, which is probably a little bit hard when you wanna be like, what the fuck are you doing with my underwear? But if you're just like, hey, I noticed this thing,

it's a little bit unconventional, but if this is something you're into or you did it to connect with me, whatever. I mean, that is probably a super hard thing to do, but I would- It is a hard thing to do. I'm just thinking, if I had some like dark, not dark, but just like deep, like secret kink fetish,

something like that. You wouldn't want someone to approach you with it, like hostility. And if someone approached me with it in like a understanding way, like if she said something like, hey do you want me to like, do you want me to like give you a pair every week? I don't know what it would be, but if it was something like that and I would be like, oh my god, you like, you're down or like you're cool?

I would probably be like, now I'm even more in love with you. Right, right, right, but like what about, what if she's not down and she's not cool? Yeah, then, then we'd probably run into. Maybe there's compromise. Maybe it's like, okay, maybe not dirty on these, but like, clean on these. Yeah, it's like, we're gonna have to buy a whole lot more underwear, bro.

These will be like the donated pairs. These are the ones I actually wear. How about next time I clean out my closet? Like you have the ones that I was gonna clean. Yeah, when it's like spring cleaning, we're switching seasons, something. Compromise. Because there's probably some world where she was like,

I gotta go to a wedding, I need to wear this like form-fitting dress, I need like this, where the fuck is this one pair of underwear? Especially he's stealing the skims. So like that is maddening if you're looking for the ones that won't have panty lines. Right, she's gotta go get a new one from a food toast or whatever. I don't know.

He's kind of gaslighting her. You know, I'm kidding. I don't use that word in earnest. That word has gotten so spiraled out of control. It needs to be banned from the human language. What did people say before that? You were tricking me. You're tricking me like a motherfucker.

You were tricking me. Oh my god, true. That really is nothing worse than like an actual gaslighting. So when people throw it around for like, no, we just disagree on a topic or whatever, you know what I mean? Like you got caught doing something, whatever it may be. For the people who are actually being gaslit,

they're probably like. They're feeling gaslit. Yes. Your face gaslighting is gaslighting me. Right. Yeah. But yeah, that's a tough one. I would say that any, like, I'm assuming

there's some sort of sexual thing behind this, you know? Yes. And that's always a little embarrassing. But you're going to really be together forever. I'm hoping it's a sexual thing behind this and not a. I don't know what else it would be. The long distance thing does add a wrinkle where. Yeah.

I don't. It adds like some plausible. It's like, what are you some plausible like sleeping with them at night like get a scent I don't know it's weird what do you think about long distance I don't have strong opinions on it I think it depends like how old like what stage in your life that can you afford to I feel like everything takes four times as long long distance do you have that sort of time or not I feel like it's not traditional but if you're on like the same page,

it can probably be really like you have, you both have your careers, you both have your free time. That's almost like kind of the extreme other end, but I feel like sometimes when people live together, they lose their individuality and all that stuff. Yeah, it's nice to like miss each other, but I do think it's not entirely real life all the time. Like you don't know what it's like to be with this person

all the time and like hit that threshold of like, okay, now I hate you. And like entirely real life all the time. Like you don't know what it's like to be with this person all the time and like hit that threshold of like, okay, now I hate you. And like, how am I going to work through that? It's like I ran around calling you a P-Gom and now it turns out you steal my underwear. Right. Like I feel like when you're with someone for three days, it's always only good. You're not going to have a fight, but like you do need to have a fight at some point and like see how you guys get through that. I agree. But like, do you?

Well, it depends on who your goals are. Like, I think that's the- If you want to have kids, you want to like be around all the time. But if there's a world where, but like, do you? Well, it depends on who your goals are. Like, and I think that's a- Yeah, yeah. If you want to have kids, you want to like be around all the time. Right. But if there's a world where it's like, let's have fun. Let's have fun every three, like these three days that are awesome, and then where everyone else starts fighting, we like go to our separate corners and, you know, like the country.

Yeah. Well, two things. One, I feel like if you are a person with like goal, like you have dreams for your life, like you guys need to have a plan, like there's an end in sight. Okay, in two years he gets this promotion and he can move back here. Or I'm gonna leave my job and move there. And that's when I wanna have a,

like you need to like have an end in sight. It can't just like go on forever. Yeah. But then it also reminds me a lot of Paige and Craig. I feel like they had exactly what you just described with like three perfect days, four hustle days. Back to each other. We only ever like each other.

We're traveling so much. He's coming to New York and it's in a fun way. Like, and he likes coming here. She doesn't like going there. Oops. Like theoretically, if you didn't want to have kids and a family and you both had careers, you could do that forever. Yeah. Yeah. Not traditional, but it's like. But if both of you don't want to have families. Yes. It can't be like one is secretly wishing for that, which is kind of what happened with them. Right. I'm a big Paige the Sorbo fan. Yeah. What aboutig? Don't say a bad word to me Um, I don't know him as much southern charm. I've seen it but I know not in yeah, so Uh, they they definitely are painting him away on bravo on summer house summer house. That looks shitty

So then i've seen like i've seen andy cohen like interviews with him where he's kind of like she said this and did that I'm like, oh, there's a little more one or two sides to it. Yeah, I really not to be annoying I really see both sides of how this went south like I've see it from her side and I see it from his side And it's just to me sad. I was gonna say but that's also That's a couple I remember saying when I was watching it's like you guys are just not meant to be together Yeah, or at least not right now, but whatever it is, like sometimes your career blew up, maybe you're insecure, whatever is going on with him, but it's just not gonna work out, not meant to be.

No, and especially when you're wanting different things at this current junction, like he's ready to be done with this part. Yeah, he wants kids like Tom Morrow, and she's like, I just started my tour. Yeah, no, it's not happening anytime soon, and so for that reason, I do understand. Which is tough, though, when you break up for not, it's not like we fell out of love,

or I'm attracted, or whatever. It's just a business thing. And that business probably will change. And then it's like, I don't know. It's hard to get with a new person when it's like, I know that you broke up with your last person, really out of circumstances, but not out of like. Not out of lack of love, but I do think now they hate each other. Yes, now it seems like there I know that you broke up with your last person, really out of circumstances. But not out of like- Yeah, right, not out of lack of love.

But I do think now they hate each other. Yes, now it seems like there's no love lost. Yeah, yeah. They're not pining over one another. No. So people can move on. Oh yeah, and he already has like a girlfriend, I think. New bitty.

Which is, I mean, that's what he wants. Like he literally just wants partnership and marriage. I was gonna say, he's probably gonna find like a Southern girl who does want kids. You want the same things. Yeah, and then you're good to go, right. Yeah. But yeah, that definitely reminds me of that. Our last, is this the last?

Oh no, that was only one. Oh my gosh, we're moving so slow. Like this is the world's longest episode. Next, hi Jax and Tert cross out KFC. So my fiance is driving me nuts with wedding planning. When we started the whole thing, I asked how involved he wanted to be and he said he knows I'll do a great job and he trusts me, which is like me nuts with wedding planning. When we started the whole thing, I asked how involved he wanted to be, and he said he knows I'll do a great job,

and he trusts me, which is like the normal thing to say. But every time I tell him a plan that's been made for some of the wall options, oh, but every time I tell him a plan that's been made, he has some off the wall opinions. He is a sweet man who is just excited for our wedding, but how the heck do I shut down these cringey suggestions without making him feel like I don't care about

what he wants? P.S. I love you both. That's tough because I feel like there's probably a world where there's a lot of girls who would almost wish that their partner was as involved as this guy wants to be, but it's like only if you have good opinions and good taste. Yeah, I don't even know who would wish their partner to be more involved. Really?

You want it? Yeah, you want free reign, because if they're going to agree with you, like thanks point, like I was going to do it anyway. And if they're just going to disagree with you, like it's just more conflicted. Weddings are already like so full of conflict. You just not think that the guy should get any of your things? I think if you have a strong opinion about a couple things,

like I remember in my wedding, my husband had a couple strong opinions about stuff of things that like he wanted. And it's like, OK, let's definitely do those. Cause like, sure, why not? You want fireworks in our first dance or like sparklers or whatever. Cool. Like it's not important to me, but like,

it's not a, doesn't take away. Yeah. So like, I think every guy should get like the couple things, but I don't think guys should have that many things. Like why do they, why would a guy care so much about specific things? I mean, I'm with you, but like, if you do. It also comes down to money.

I was gonna say, who's paying? Who's paying? Who's cutting the check, you know? I think it's probably best, I think the best of both worlds. I mean, listen, if you are a guy who's into that stuff, I think you have a right to be involved. But you probably should know

that about like somebody. Yeah. Yeah. And the worst is when people are acting, I don't care, babe, do whatever. You're my princess. And then they come in there like, oh, I don't like this, that, this, that. It's like, well, am I your princess? But I also think there's probably a lot of times where guys like go nuts and they don't realize what nuts... I think wedding culture has gotten like insane. So I think when it's like, I think there's a lot of guys who have no- Like I had a big wedding. Sure.

It gets carried away. It's the industry. They make you get carried away. I mean, they literally just added zero to everything. Every girl who gets engaged is like, I want to have a small wedding. Like I would elope. I really don't care about my wedding.

Like winds up having a huge wedding. There's no getting out of it. And they make you feel like, you know, you're cheap or having a shitty wedding if you don't. And like it just by, you know, I have to keep up with the Joneses, and then we're all just, now we're all having showers and weddings and events that we're like, this is crazy, but how did this happen?

How did this happen? It's like, okay, no, if I'm having a wedding, I do need flowers on the table, I can use it. I don't think a guy even understands until they go through it. When you're like, do whatever you want for the invitations, and they're like, the invitations are how much? Like, well, I didn't know that.

Get whatever flowers you want. I didn't know it was gonna be $10,000 with the flowers. Like- Do you think it's just about money or like do whatever you want with the invitations and she designs an invitation that he has critiques on? I think it's pretty rare if a guy like really cares. I think it's more, it's money and also maybe like perception

of how like if you don't wanna have a big wedding and also you're having a big one, you kind of feel like, I don't know, a little gaudy or whatever. It's pretty rare that a guy would be like, that calligraphy is not right or whatever. So I think it needs to be like a, you go nuts and I have like five things. I want this food, this drink, a band or DJ.

Like those things are big deal. The rest is like, you should just let her do her thing. Yeah, you won't even notice then. Give a budget so the money's not, you know what I mean? And go nuts. Yeah, I agree. Also, but if the girl's paying,

then you should fuck up buddy. But then it's also like, even people who have unlimited budget, like still fight about their weddings. Like look at Brooklyn and Nicola and their families. Who's that? The Beckhams. Oh.

Pelts Beckham, the biggest wedding and like the whole families were fighting the whole time. Yeah. So it's not just about money. I was gonna say it's, yeah, money doesn't cure like family in-law dynamics and all that sort of shit. No, it's really, it's a very difficult process. It really, but it's so silly cause it's just a big party

and it causes money stress and family stress and it's like If it doesn't go smoothly, it's like boy. We're getting off on the wrong fucking foot here Starting this marriage off in a bad spot Do you want to get married again? Is that too good? Yeah, that's nice. Were you involved in your wedding planning when you got married? Yeah Do you have any like what were you precious about? I wanted a band. I like a band.

Yeah. As far as like the decorations and stuff, like that didn't bother me at all. Right. I just wanted it to be like a good party. So like good music, open bar. Good drinks. All that sort of stuff.

But like, as far as the look and the decorations and all that, I was like all good But yeah, I think you know is like that's like money and inviting families did you know it's very stressful It was like more stressful than I wanted it to be you know I think it's really stressful for everyone and I also think people are like is this too is it really bad like are we? In a bad spot well, you know I feel like people need to normalize the fact that like it's a miserable experience If you're having a hard time. But that's crazy, no? Do you hear yourself?

Let's normalize this thing that totally fucking sucks. No, no, no, normalize. Not that it's, it would be nice if it went well, but if you're having a miserable experience, just know you're not alone. And you're not the exception. Most people are having that. Right.

I do think you also run into, at least I did, once the glitz and glamour has worn off a little bit, and you're now like, we need to buy a house. And it's like, boy, I wish we had that $120,000. Just wait until you have to buy a house. It's like, we could just have the house, but we had a one night party. That was a little bit, that's a tough one to swallow.

Someone needs to do something about it. Someone needs to put their foot down. but we had a one night party. That was a little bit, you know, that's a tough one to swallow. It's infuriating. Someone needs to do something about it. Like someone needs to put their foot down. Just band together and be like, we're not paying. We're not gonna take it. It's also so regional too though. Like I feel like the Northeast is like, like when I hear about bars,

weddings that aren't open bar, like what? But there are, you know, you go like down south, they're like, yeah, what do you pay for your drinks? Are we talking about? It's like, or yeah, like you don't have like centerpieces and flowers and all that. It's like, so you think we're crazier here. Oh my God. Yes. And like gifts and shit. Like, like you go to other places in the country, you get like a

physical toaster. Yeah. Give me money because I got paid for this fucking thing. Also, it's hard, like in the city, because you get a room, right. And now you have to outfit. you have nothing to work with. You have to do everything. The whole, the chairs, the covers, the everything. When there's better weather, you're on, in California, you have the surroundings to work with.

A lot of places here, you don't have surroundings, especially if you're getting married in the winter. We're just in a room. And now you gotta dress it up. It is such a process, man. It's not easy, but you're right. You're not alone if you're out there doing it. Yeah, okay.

Last one, and then we have to get on with our lives, I guess, and we have to end this episode at some point. Hi, Jackson KFC. I'm 26 weeks pregnant, nozeltov, and my husband, who is usually a P-jom, has been less romantic and loving towards me. I asked him about it, and he said he feels weird being intimate

while thinking of our baby in my stomach, and also that some of my pregnancy symptoms, like being gassy, achy, etc. are quote unattractive. Ooh! He said that? He quote unattractive. Obviously I am very hurt as if being pregnant hasn't made me feel unattractive enough as it is. How can I possibly forgive him and move past this? Thank you for your help and daily laughs. Damn.

That's a tough one. I know, but remember, he's a P-John. Ah. He always seems like he was. This is where, like, I think honesty is the best policy and communication is everything, especially having been divorced. I'm like, I could have done better in that department

and it would have been more you know, more successful. But there's something, little white lies you got. You can't be telling her you're unattractive. No, that's really so crazy. It's like, and also, listen, there's some level of, we all know that, like, as a woman, you're not feeling you're sexiest, you're best, you know it, you know it's not attractive

to be bloated and gassy. We just don't need to say it, you know? It's like, we all say you're glowing for a reason because we got to, like, we all got to get through this. You know it's not attracted to be bloated and gassy. We just don't need to say it. You know? It's like, we all say you're glowing for a reason because we got to like, we all got to get through this. But- It makes you wonder what kind of person would say this. Like an incredibly stupid person,

an incredibly mean person. You do say he's a P-Jom, so I'm going to go stupid. Yeah, well, it's almost like the Beaver thing. It's like you just put your foot in your fucking mouth. Yeah. Like an idiot. It sounds like there might be some deeper attraction issues though.

Like I wonder what their sex life was previously. Previously? Like. What can you do now? Like she's pregnant. That is a hard, and you can't put that toothpaste back in the tube. No, and so we're gonna work through it

and we're gonna, if it were me, like the girly advice that we would give and what Claudia and I would give is like, he needs to be reamed a new asshole. He needs to understand why he's so wrong for saying this. And he's probably going to have to just like grovel for the next lifetime. Dog house.

By the way, it's also like, it's tough as a guy when it's like you're bloated and gassy and big. It's like, that's us all the time. It's like, we're hairy, out of shape, fat, bloated, gassy. Forever. That's what you sign up for. And they deal with that all the time. Like this is temporary.

What's your- Yeah, I will be hot soon. You will never be hot, bro. I think get mean. Get mean. Is it like just treat him like- Yeah, yeah, just like seriously, just bring it out. It might be over.

No, but like- You might just need to split up and co-parent now. We need to find harmony. I wanna find harmony here. That's probably one of those things that's like, for the rest of your life, she will just drop comments like, remember that time when I was pregnant and you said that I was unattractive?

Right. And you have to like. But you know what else isn't good? Not to give this guy any credit, but when like a man is treating you differently because he feels some sort of way, and you're like, you can feel that he's like being distant and like doesn't want to be lovey with you. And it's like they won't say what's bothering them. Now he should have come up with something better. And also he shouldn't be feeling that way. He should find you carrying his child to be the most beautiful thing in the world. But at least not gaslighting you into thinking it's in your head. Yeah, I mean, there is some level of, girls always want, everybody always wants honesty, right? It's like, here it is.

That's why I say you gotta have some little white lies, but it's like. But I only think a twisted individual wouldn't find his pregnant life just so beautiful. Yeah, but there's also a difference between, I love what you're doing for our family versus traditionally what's sexy and hot in the moment is not really what's happening right now.

I just think like an involved mature man, like that is sexy and hot. That's huge. Yeah, real convincing. You're beautiful, just tell them to fuck off, listen to the toast and like just dog house. Like I don't know what to tell you. That's really, that's unfortunate.

That would make me really upset honestly. That's a hard one to get through. That's probably gonna be a lot of like forgiveness and. You're allowed to be upset though. Like you don't have to get over it. Yeah, that's not gonna just be like. That's my advice. Right.

Just be mad. Get mad and get even. Really, yeah, really good. Like you guys are off to a hot start with parenting. Yeah. Oh my God, no, stop. It's gonna be great. You're gonna off to a hot start with parenting. Yeah. Oh my god. No, Saf is going to be great.

You're going to be an amazing mom. And he'll learn. They're slow, but men learn. You do have to give a little bit of grace. This one is particularly bad. But I would say most times it's coming from a place of dumb and not malicious. Like 99% of the time.

And even more dumb than you can realize. Because it's like, it's really rare that a guy is gonna think through all of the ramifications of what he's gonna say or do, where it's like, I don't know, in the moment I was just trying to be honest, or I was just trying to make you happy, or whatever it is, and there's just not that second, third, fourth, fifth step of thinking.

I agree with you. So I hope that makes you feel better. He's not mean. He's just dumb. Thank you so much, KFC. My pleasure. Where can everyone follow you? Listen to your show if they want more KFC,

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