The Toast - Gaitok Get Your Gun: Monday, April 7th, 2025

Episode Date: April 7, 2025

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It's Jackson Claude and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly, it's The Toast. They sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy Monday. We missed you. All the Swirlies are back together. Yes, yes, yes, we are.

Haven't seen you bitches since Thursday. Hope everybody's doing well. How are you? The lie detector determined that was a lie because we did podcasts together on Friday. Oh, I meant the Swirlies, like the listeners. Genpop. GA, yeah.

The general population, it's true, but we can't not talk about what we did on Friday because it was so important to the development of the show. Don't you feel? We definitely are onto something in terms of like a new segment, a new something, where Jackie and I on Friday, and there was no episode.

Not using an installation? Something, like I don't know, maybe like the first of the month. I don't know. We need to figure out how to incorporate this. So basically on Friday, there was no episode of the toast. Jackie was traveling. And so we did later in the day, get the chance to catch up

when we recorded a podcast episode together. And the premise of the podcast episode was, everyone's always giving Jackie shit about the stories. And they're like, let's see if Claudia can choose the stories. So we both chose five stories and we wanted to see like. On the same day, we only had one day's worth of stories. So it was basically like a big pop culture episode

with 10 pop culture stories, but the fun and game of it all was that like, we were also competing to see if we chose any of the same stories, how many out of five we chose. I think we were thinking like me, you know, maybe three of them would be similar. I thought three would be the same. I don't wanna spoil what happened.

It was truly one of the funniest episodes. And we also just got like great pop culture chatter. You got so many stories. The result was shocking to me and we had a lot of fun. And we also did so many stories that day. So if you're looking for certain stories that came out at the end of last week, like they're probably in that episode.

Olivia Munn coming for the blue origin astronauts, putting the ass in astronauts. Olivia Munn being the voice of the people. Correct. Big news in Susan Boyle'sn being the voice of the people. Correct. Big news in Susan Boyle's world. There's a lot to discuss. It was such a funny episode. It really was.

So head over to patreon.com slash to toast for that. Also head over to shoptoastmerch.com. Last week we had a fabulous merch shop. I know everyone was loving getting everything that they wanted and I'm so happy for you. A couple of the items that sold out went into pre-order so don't worry you'll be able to get them. But I did want to you know, pre-order ends tonight. So if there was anything you wanted that you haven't been able to purchase yet,

just letting you know, pre-order ends tonight on the tote, the t-shirt, so head over to shoptoastmerch.com. Get your arters in. Get your art things. I feel like that's it on the self-promotion for the day. Do you feel? Yeah, no, I'm good.

Like that's all my promo. Now here's what I have to offer. I have to offer a White Lotus recap. I have to offer a weekend recap. I wanna hear about the Rascal Flatts concert. I have to offer a Rascal Flatts recap, a little girls trip, girls weekend in Estero. Should we put in the episode description,

like timestamps for self promotion, ends now. Ends now, it's the weekend recap. What do they call it on? We can update. We can update you guys. Thursday night I went to Rascal flats. I actually crossed the state. I know you're familiar with alligator alley, but I went.

That highway in Florida is fucking turn. If you've, okay. So it takes you from like South Florida to West Florida. East Florida, West Florida East Florida West, Florida Oh, I guess that makes sense. Yeah, like middle of the state is Everglades and it's like swampland. So that highway There's no towns to get off that it's about it's one road something miles with like no fuel stops. No rest stops No, nothing. They call it alligator alley. There is one Fuel stop that saved my fucking life.

Like I didn't know the lore of the alley. So I got on this highway with like not a lot of gas. Yeah, but there are signs that say like check fuel, no fuel for 50 miles. I'm like, that's so thoughtful. Like Florida does that, like to remind everyone to get their gas. I didn't know it was this big conspiracy.

So how was, that wasn't your first experience on Alligator Alley, was it? Yeah, it was. You don't have to take it to get their gas. I didn't know it was this big conspiracy. So how was, that wasn't your first experience on Alley or Owl was it? Yeah it was, it was. You don't have to take it to get to Disney? No, it's just like up and down the East. Usually I'm just going up and down the East coast, but we went to the West coast for Rascalitos, something I would only do for my boys' Rascal flats.

We made a little girls' trip, Satchel met us there. We stayed at a hotel in Estero and it was so beautiful. I've never been out to the West coast of Florida. Me neither. Like Naples, it was very, very beautiful. Actually, that's not true. I have, cause I just was saying to Allie, get her out here. Like am I okay?

The concert was amazing. Like those boys. I'm sick to hear that. I would not do what I did for any other performer on earth. Like they are my favorite band. When I was there, I just wanted like more, more, more. It was like, it fed my soul.

Every song that they sing is so good. Gary just like seriously stands there and riffs and it's like, just like, what's the word? Showing off, it's crazy. And it's not even trying. Yeah, and it was just, it was amazing. The energy was so good. You could tell everyone in the arena

just like loves Rascal Flatts flats was Lauren Elena one of your performers So we either missed her or she didn't perform because we got there But Margot had said it was like Chris Lane then Lauren Elena then rascal flats and we got there during Chris Lane And then it went straight into rascal flats So either she went first that night or we she didn't did she come out for life is a highway. No, uh, we left I told you I would leave at the encore. Not you missing the whole concert, I'm cracking up. No, there were two songs in the encore,

Summer Nights, then Life is a Highway, and I left in the middle of Summer Nights, and I felt good about that. I know her journey on this tour ended somewhat recently, like this weekend, maybe. Yeah, this was the last weekend of the tour. Oh, but no, they did a farewell for her. So maybe it was before, maybe she isn't alone.

Maybe Margot was like, I think she gave birth. Yeah. She's so pregnant. Yeah, she might've. It was just so amazing. I don't know what's Ness for the rascals. I'm so glad that they've come out of retirement to like do this service work.

I know they're actually very much a Christian band. I didn't realize how many of their songs are- Rooted in faith? Rooted in faith, like about God, obviously God bless the broken road, but like Stand is like, there are just so many faithful songs and they- Did you cry?

No, I didn't cry. I was too like hyped up. I was like the adrenaline. Like I was there to rage. I was raging. But they are doing the world a service by bringing their music to the people. And I'm glad that they're like over this retirement phase

and they're back together. I don't know what's next for them, but if you get the chance to see Rascal Flats across your state, even if you have to go and do it, it's healing for the soul. I'm so glad that I feel like I filled up my cup, you know, and I can just be a better me thanks to the Rascals. In terms of what's next for the boys,

I do feel like they're gonna keep touring. I think it was a success. They have this album of like greatest hit collabs coming out thanks to the rascals. In terms of what's next for the boys, I do feel like they're gonna keep touring. I think it was a success. They have this album of like greatest hit collabs coming out and I think it's doing well. The Blake Shelton one just dropped. It's so good. Amazing and that wasn't even a song I was excited for.

Me neither. Kelly Clarkson dropped her, I'm moving on one and I'm not gonna lie, like I actually like don't love it. Which is like- I'm glad you're being honest about that. What did you say on the show when I took my helmet off? I said, I wish that there was more blending of the voices. It's like a Kelly solo and then a little Gary.

It's like, you could tell they weren't in the same room. They didn't harmonize together. Like they like wanted to feature Kelly, which I appreciate, but it just sounded like a Kelly-oke. Where is the blending? That's what I said. Okay, understood. That's a nice way to say it.

I actually like, and they're two of my favorites. So I feel like I can say like when something's like not my favorite, it was shocking. It could, it should have been better. It's not that I like songs. Mayberry is. Yeah. Mayberry is really good. But now when they sang, I'm moving on at the concert.

I heard myself singing it like doing Kelly's notes. So it's made an impact. That's Kelly. That's Kelly, yeah. And then tell me a little bit about how you perceive their body language. You know, there's a lot of rumors about like the dynamics of the band and if they get along and maybe that was a reason why they kind of retired

a little early. Who wants to hear a fun fact that I learned at the concert? Do you know how much I love fun facts? Gary, formerly known to you as Rascal. No, that's not it. That's like one of my least favorite things about toast hercery lore is when people say like their favorite moments are like,

when Claudia thought Rascal's name was Rascal. That's not what I thought. What did you think? Watch the clip, the conversation we're having is not me discovering that the lead singer of Rascal Flatts is not named Rascal. That's what a lot of people think. That's like half the, like you knew that,

you learned that one day. You used to think that, we all used to think that. Yeah, when I was six, I knew his name was Gary, but I thought that it was so weird. It wasn't crazy that you ever thought that it was Rascal because Rascal is a name. Yes, right, right, yes, yes, the whole, yes. The premise of the joke.

No, it bothers me so much because honestly, the toast joke out so far, Gary, like is always commenting on my TikToks, being like, ha ha, remember when you thought my name was Rascal? No, I didn't. I thought it was weird that like, they were gonna name their band, like John Smith.

Like the name of a person when it's three guys, how wouldn't people get confused? And you're like, well, Rascal's like, wouldn't be someone's first name. And I'm like, no, it's literally John. You said it's Robert Flats. Robert, yeah. So like that, but I don't, I hate to like clown

on people loving. It's hard to be misunderstood. That's a really like frustrating feeling. Especially when people are like so positive like they love this moment. Yeah. I'm not gonna like get involved and tell them it's. But just to be clear, like if you know, you know

that's not what happened. Now continue. I want to know the fact. Gary, the lead singer, who everyone knows, is cousins with Jay. Oh, that's why it's so complicated. No, that made it better for me. They were talking about like being cousins

and starting this band. So I think third guy, and he got a DUI and he talked about it during the show and was very honest about what he's been through. And I think there was a time where like, maybe the two of them were getting fed up with number three because he wasn't- Spending out of control.

You know, being the professional that they needed him to be and they took time off, but now that he's sober and he's ready to work, they can all work well together. And I thought the dynamics were really great and everyone was just like focused on the music. I thought it was, I had no red flags, none. It wasn't like you seeing Little Mix. Little Mix.

Fun fact about me is that I called Little Mix breaking up and I called that it was gonna be that bitch, Jessie. Like the second I saw them perform in like 2011, I knew it. But I'm glad to know that they're cousins because that keeps people together. You know, if there's three strangers and you just walk away from each other one direction.

But if you're blood, you can come back together, Jonas Brothers. It sounds a little bit like Lady A in terms of like one member sort of spinning out of control as we now know Charles was struggling with his sobriety. They're not related though, so it's actually admirable that they managed to work it out. But I'm glad to hear that you felt like the body language,

the dynamics were good. Yeah, the only thing that's shocking to me is like that they're not work it out. But I'm glad to hear that you felt like the body language, the dynamics were good. Yeah, the only thing that's shocking to me is like that they're not playing stadiums. Like who on this earth doesn't love rascal flats? Jackie, a lot of people, it's insane. I mean, we know that this world is filled with sick individuals. I just never realized how many.

Yeah, it's upsetting, but it's better. Cause then you get better tickets and better prices and better seats. Better tickets, better prices, guaranteed. Well, my weekend was a little different. I did on Thursday night, like really ignore you, Margo and Olivia's stories. Like I just, I wasn't interested.

I didn't enjoy that much, I feel like. It was a reasonable amount. I really tried to like, just, I was having so much fun. I took some videos because I like to watch them, like, you know, and have the memory, but I just wanted to like, just I was having so much fun. I took some videos cause I like to watch them, like, you know, and have the memory, but I just wanted to be there. So the next morning I did then feel brave enough to go watch and I agree, like you were very respectful

of me and I appreciate it. I thought it had something to do with me. I just like wasn't, I was there for me, like not for social media. Oh my God. It's so, it's so easy to, it's so easy to get bogged down with social media. Yeah, and I do feel like sometimes when you go to like a sweet concert,

like people feel respond, like you wanna show people. I remember watching some concerts that I couldn't go to. I watched them on Instagram and I enjoyed it. You know, it was like, you're doing it for the people. But you know what? I think people would understand. Plus Margo's there filming, so. She's the filmographer, you're good.

Yeah, so you could see it, or you could just go see Rascal Flatts and support them. You could, you could. If you're not sick in the head. I had a weekend in the country, a little bit of a different weekend. Jackie was actually really worried. Jackie was worried about me,

she had kept checking in like, you okay, you okay? I think she thought I was gonna be like so bored. Well, you went to this hotel that is so partjelish. It's called the Mayflower Inn and there's so much lore around it in pop culture. I actually didn't realize I knew it. The, my first I ever heard of it was when the Real Housewives of New York went there.

They were looking for like a nice retreat to go to after Luann got out of rehab. But it's honestly the perfect place. But it was also a different hotel then. It was the Grace Mayflower and it wasn't owned by AuBerge like it is now. They had a rebrand and a re-everything. They have a steep history actually.

Me and Ben were learning a lot about it. It used to be a boys school in the 1800s. It looks like a boys school. Yeah, yeah, it was so giving that vibe. I could see it, the campus. So not only is it Roni, which I actually, as a New York local, I'm constantly using like real housewives of New York as like a travel guide.

I still wanna know what house they stayed in in Vermont. In Vermont. That was the biggest house I ever saw. If you guys only knew how many times I have went on a research trip to find that house that they stayed at in Vermont, where Vermont is drivable, like a drivable ski destination for us. And that house was so big, we need so many rooms. If anybody knows what fucking house they rented, let me know. I'm always using them as like a litmus test because they're fancy women

and they don't go to shit places. So I knew that the Mayflower Inn was gonna be like, to tourney standards, but I didn't know. It's all bearish. It's all bearish, yes. I didn't know like the true lore. On our way up there, me and Ben were like so excited. We're like, I'm gonna go to the spa

and this inn is so cute. And like, we were like reading about it on the website. And when we got there, Ben was like, you know what this reminds me of? Gilmore Girls. I'm like, the spa and this inn is so cute. And like we were like reading about it on the website. And when we got there, Ben was like, you know what this reminds me of? Gilmore Girls. I'm like, oh, totally. Like she works at an inn in the town. I think the show was like set in Connecticut.

So we're like, oh, this is so cute. We just like mentioned it. And you guys know, I hated watching Gilmore Girls. I never made it past the third season. But actually when we were there, I felt compelled to be like started it right where we picked up because it was just giving the vibes.

Then the next day I was looking for a place to go to lunch, like in town and they were recommending this diner and they're like inspired based on Luke's Cafe, which is from Gilmore Girls. I'm like, oh, that's funny. I'm like, that's so weird. Turns out, and then I did like a little bit more research. Amy Sherman Palladino, who created the show,

stayed at the Mayflower Inn, was just taken by its charm, the town, it's called Washington, Connecticut, the small town that it's set in, and literally a stars hollow, it's all based on this town in Connecticut. Not me thinking, me and Ben being like, it looks like Gilmore Girls.

It is. That's so funny. That's also funny because when I was there, I got a Downton vibe. Oh yes, the actual hotel property is very Downton, it's very British. I was feeling like I was in Downton vibe. Oh yes, the actual hotel property is very Downton. It's very British. I was feeling like I was in Downton. But the town, like we went out.

I never made it to town and it's Litchfield, right? It's Litchfield County, yes. The prison. Correct. They don't talk about that, do they? Lots of lore, lots of lore, pop culture. Litchfield is where- Orange is the new black.

Orange is the new black. Orange is the New Black. So- Bursting with inspiration. Then I did like even more research. Turns out, like remember when Netflix created another season of Gilmore Girls, like 15 years after it ended, to celebrate like the Gilmore girly community.

Like we're so excited. They took, they created like Fan Fest in Washington. They all descended upon this small town and had like a festival to celebrate. So I didn't realize I found myself in the middle of like Gilmore Girls land and I picked it back up and I'm sorry to say like, it still sucks. I actually really don't like the show.

I feel like you're so valid and then I know I wouldn't like it either. Oh my God, you would fucking hate it. However, I feel like the elk of people who love Gilmore Girls are like good people who I don't wanna hurt. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, no, I'm not saying anything bad

about people who like Gilmore Girls. I'm just saying- When you trash their show, you're hurting them. The thing is, is that at a time, I think a lot of people love it because they grew up on it. And when you would watch it week to week, I could understand how you would like it, but watching it all at once,

you just like can't help but hate all the characters, like really notice their flaws. But when you watch it as a kid growing up week to week, and then it becomes comfortable to you, and now it's like a binge-y show, I get how you love it. But if your first time watching it is binging, I actually don't, it's not a binge-worthy show. I understand.

But the weekend was amazing. Jackie was a little worried about me just like being bored. It was, it's really, it's a great place, but it's even better when it's nice out. They have a pool, they have tennis, you go on hikes. Not only was it freezing, it also rained the entire weekend. So Jackie was just like a little concerned about,

you know, me getting bored. She kept checking in like how's the weekend? Because when Zach and I went a few years ago and it was like still in like COVID, cause I remember like it was masky. I just remember being bored and hungry. I felt like there was a scarcity of food, but I did, cause there's like one restaurant, right?

And so- No. No? How many? Two. Okay, two restaurants. I feel like I only remember one. And so I just remember being hungry.

When Jackie said that there wasn't a lot of food, I was like actually thinking about canceling. We looked at the menu before you went and I said, these are things I've never seen before. So I feel like you were going like when they were impacted by COVID, like operating at a small, because I ate so much. I ate so well.

The food was amazing. I didn't want for anything food wise, thankfully. And we had a great time. I was a little worried about being bored too, but the spa was amazing. Even though there's so many things. I literally just couldn't pick up my Kindle. Do you know what I mean?

I do. I like sat down on this couch to read it. I ended up just taking a two hour nap. Like I just couldn't do it. I understand. I have to pick up my Kindle today because we're recording Redheads this week. We are a week behind, but we will be there.

The Redheads have been through a lot. Yeah, the Redheads are, it's a group of like dynamic, formidable women who have a lot going on in their lives. Who will persevere. Yeah, so stick with us. New episode drops this week. Did you watch White Lotus finale?

Of course I did. I'm so glad to be done with the show. Let's not spoil it. We got like a lot of hate last week for like before the recap in the pre-Fast Five banner, we were like, since it's something that spoiled it. I'm sorry, this is one of the shows. Like if you're not spoil it. We got like a lot of hate last week for like before the recap in the pre-Fast Five banner, we were like since it's something that spoiled it. I'm sorry, this is one of the shows. Like if you're not watching it live, that's too bad for you bitch.

Like- And I just feel like today, sometimes I feel really bad about spoilers, but today I feel like Zoom out, you know? You got your little thing on a TV show, it wasn't even the finale. Like what, that there was incest, like Zoom out. Okay, it's not a big deal.

Kim, there's people that are dying. Yeah. Well, we will do a TV recap White Lotus deal. Kim, there's people that are dying. Yeah. Well, we will do a TV recap White Lotus finale. Grateful that it was only eight episodes. I thought maybe the finale would be the 10th. I was not expecting the finale to be this week, but I was pleasantly surprised. Yeah, so let's get into the story, shall we?

Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Because now we're talking about White Lotus. So let's- Yeah, yeah, for sure. Let's do what we have to do in the Fast Five Stories that you need to know. And the Fast Five Stories you need to know are brought to you by Bowlin Branch. If you really want to change the way you sleep,

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I went into the men's room. They were doing some construction here in the women's room, and it's like, the guy was like, oh, you have to use the one upstairs. I'm into the men's room. They were doing like some construction here in the women's room and it's like, the guy was like, oh, you have to use the one upstairs. I'm like, but I'm pregnant, like I can't go upstairs. And so I went into the men's room. Brave. Yeah, I kind of like felt like a pedophile, you know?

There's something like weird about it. It's like, not how it works. No, I know, but I like knocked them, like is anyone in here? And no one was and I peed so quick in the stall, but like being around that urinal, and it's not a gross bathroom, it's kind of one of the newer urinals.

It's not like a square has more of like a bulbous round. You know what I'm talking about? No, I haven't been in the men's room recently. Oh, well I have. And I could tell you, it doesn't seem like a fun place. I don't know. I just don't feel like they have as much fun as we do. Okay, well two things you won't be doing again.

Correct, adulting in the men's room. Our first story, some new couple news that has me a little confused, but Zoe Kravitz and Austin Butler are sparking dating rumors after their respective breakups from Channing and Kaia. But also after that video of them went viral, they're in a movie together.

They're in a movie together, but also after she's been spotted with Noah Centeno. Right, and I love that she's having fun, you know? Yeah. She, so this video went viral, like they're filming a movie, so it's just for the film, it's a kiss. Called Caught Stealing, it's Darren Naranofsky, so of course it's gonna get steamy.

Of course, freaky. There's just this, I think it was like a passerbyer took a of course it's gonna get steamy. Freaky. I think it was like a passerby or took a video. It's just a kissing scene. It's nothing crazy there in public, but it was like a lot of body language experts were weighing in. It was very steamy. It was kind of like smutty, you know? The hand, the lips, the tongue, the lift.

I think he lifted her in the air. I don't know either of them to be like that good of actors. So it did beg the question, is there more here? Yeah. And I feel like it makes sense. They're both single. I could see her liking him cause he's like young Channing and him liking her because you know, she's connected.

Yeah. He loves a girl who's beautiful and young, of course but what he really likes is somebody with family ties, connection. Nepotism is like his, when you have a list of like brunette, blonde. At the very top, he is looking for someone with nepotism. And to be honest, he went straight to the top with his last girlfriend. So it's hard.

Oh no, but also with Zoe. Yes, so it's hard. It's kind of like, where do you go after the Crawford Gerber? It's hard. You can only kind of go down, but no, I think this is a parallel move in terms of nepotism. You go Kravitz Bonet, Momoa.

Correct. So here's where the source- Kravitz Bonet, Momoa, mama. That is such an old toast joke, I can't even get into it, it's a breath joke. It is, it's so good though. It's so good. The co-stars have been spending time together

over the past few weeks, well that could be because they're co-stars but. Correct. So we said that they get on very well and their chemistry is as good off-screen as it is on it. Austin and Zoe have been keeping it under the radar and aren't putting a label on anything yet. They're both very respectful of their ex-partners and just seeing how things go. I don't feel like he needs to be respectful of Kaya. Like she's so moved on. She's fine. We need a new word for moved on and then. I just know she hates him. Zoe like she can do whatever she wants.

Channing was spotted with someone. Oh Channing, oh no Channing is hurting. Jackie, he was spotted with someone, he's fine. I'm still thinking of like her ex-husband, like before Channing. I'm like, literally that was a million years ago. No, her and Channing actually really both moved on quite swiftly.

So I feel like the relationship had run its course. But he's still there. I just know it. He's still at the restaurant for sure. But she broke up with him. She, he loved her more than she loved him. If she wanted to be with him, they would be together. Total sidebar, but it just reminded me, like I guess the reminder was that

Kyia Gerber at one point dated Jacob Elordi and Jacob Elordi is now dating Olivia Jade. I found myself like in desperate search of like a comfort creator, which is not something, I don't watch a lot of YouTubers, you know? What? Let me know when you're ready for a suggestion. Molly May.

Yeah. I actually watched some of Molly May and I didn't find it comforting. I didn't find it bad or anything, but I feel like it's very personal, like who you could just like lean back and just watch mindlessly. And I subscribe forever because I'm a supporter of Olivia Jade, but I never like really back and just watch mindlessly. And I subscribe forever

because I'm a supporter of Olivia Jade, but I never like really watched her videos like in depth. And I found myself watching so many of them, the makeup ones, they like tutorials, but now she's very much lifestyle. She just like shares like her trips to Palm Springs and like little halls. It's so, I don't wanna say boring because it's,

I loved it, but comforting, that's the word. Oh my God, she's so my comfort creator. You would love it. First of all, she's so fucking pretty. I watched her trip to Italy. I watched them making pasta. Oh, I didn't get to Italy. I watched Palm Springs and I watched her trip to New York.

She's just so pretty, so effortless. Like she does these little makeup hair. Like she put a roller in. Like it was just, she's really unreal looking. And her life is so interesting, even though she doesn't share a lot, it's not like in depth, it's not raw, it's just pargy. Yeah, it's very surface, but that's enough.

And I feel like she's been burned by the internet, like she shared and like, she's like, I'm good. Don't open up. No, don't open up. And you know what, her being closed off, like it's still good content, you know? Yeah. Is she establishing like a super meaningful connection

with her listeners? I don't think so. I don't think she gives a shit. I do wanna see Jacob. Where is he? She's in Palm Springs with her. It's clearly their family's house with her sister. And it's like, where's your boyfriend?

Switching gears for a second, do you think Kylie and Timothy are gonna walk the Met Gala red carpet together? I think it's, I wouldn't write it off. I think it's entirely possible. Oh, Met Gala's super soon. Yeah, I saw like a leaked list of people who are going and it's literally-

They do that every year. No, but like, it was like the most obvious people who go every year. Anna Wintour. There was nothing surprising like Kim Kardashian. Yeah, no, what I always find interesting in terms of the guest list is like who from the internet gets invited.

There was someone interesting who you might've found interesting. Oh, I feel like Norah Smith will be there this year. That's not what I saw. Like she might be, but I literally, it was not an interesting list. No, and it's, they always, it's like in script, right? It's always fake.

Like there's always a fake list. Yeah, that's what I saw. But Kylie and Tiffany's names were next to each other. So I was like, I wonder if they'll walk together. That would really be like major for their relationship. They both will 100% go separately. They always do. So them being in attendance is not a question

if they're attending together. It's just, they have to give it to us. Like we've waited long enough. We've been so patient and so respectful and so supportive. Like stop it. It's true. Okay? Who do you think from the interwebs

will be like lifted from the gutter? I think for sure, Nara Smith. Alex Earl. Oh my God, Alex Earl. It's kind of a good idea. She did have like lifted from the gutter. I think for sure, Nara Smith. Alex Earl. Oh my God, Alex Earl. It's kind of a good idea. She did have like a big fashion year. She went to Miu Miu Paris Fashion Week. She's the face of frame denim.

Yeah. I would love that. She would look sick. I would love that. She would have had better see her up there shaking that thing. I would rather see her up there. Also like we're always talking about her.

We've just been talking about her so much. She's so top of mind. Yeah. That like, she should be at the Met Gala if they wanna do their jobs right. Yeah, that's a big if. Yeah. Just a suggestion.

So yeah, Austin and Zoe, I would support it if true. I would too, but I would want Zoe just to like, you know, be a little cautious. He does give me like real grifter vibes. I know, but Claudia, like at a certain point. No, I know he's like a movie star. How can movie stars be grifters? No, no, no, that's not what I was gonna say.

He could so be a grifter, but like. He is. At some point you have to like move on from it, but I don't know. I can't. I can't. You put that in my head like two years ago that Austin Butler is a social climber

and he was only dating Kyia Gerber for familial like business connections. And ever since you said it, it's so true. But also she's 36 and he's 33, which I do like better than Noah Centennial. I think he was like 28 or something. Oh, same, same. I'm not losing sleep.

I'm fine with this. I'm fine with it too. I just like, I think Zoe deserves more. Like I don't think she realizes she's being used. Yeah, but I think she's a smart cookie. She'll figure it out quick. Correct. Are you ready for our next story?

Mm-hmm. It was actually a big weekend for science. The Oscars of science took place at the Breakthrough Prize Gala in LA on Saturday and a few things of note happened. Well, first thing of note is that our invitations were lost in the mail. I know.

As beacons in the science community, we weren't there. However, new faces in the science world like Katy Perry and Lauren Sanchez attended the gala and actually James Corden hosted it. And he's making news because he made a cringey sex joke about Judy Dench who was 90. About Judy Dench. Okay, I didn't know why you had chosen this story, and I understand now, but I also feel like this prestigious science award,

like once you said it was hosted by James Corden, I no longer think of it as a legitimate event in the academic community. Also, Gwyneth Paltrow was there, but she is the face of science. So of course Paris Hilton. Well, Goop is like sciencey. She does like, she brought Wim Hof to the world.

Okay. This whole thing is fake. I'm sorry. I thought it was real. I thought you were gonna say like Mayim Bialik was there and they have like a big bang theory. She might've been there, but like it was also a lot of celebrities like Jessica Chastain and Lizzo and Christina Aguilera. Why?

No, I seriously don't. Olivia Wilde, Paris Hilton. I don't understand. Zoe Saldana. And you love to see a Hollywood like prioritizing education. Science is important, but I don't understand if I'm a scientist, I'm mad.

I'm seriously vomiting, especially like if I didn't get invited. Right, because Jessica Chastain took up my seat. Yeah, and instead I'm seeing, who's this? Patty Jenkins. Okay, what did Judi Dench do? Okay, no, James Corden made the joke about Judi Dench

and like it got a little cringe. So- Judi Dench, hold on, pregnancy brain is really heavy. Dame Judi Dench, like it got a little cringe. So. Judi Dench, hold on. Pregnancy brain has really hit me. Dame Judi Dench, 90 years old. Right, right. No, I'm thinking Maggie Smith. What's, what's Judi from? Just give me.

That's Julie Andrews. Wait, who the fuck is Julie Dench? You would know her if you saw her. What she's been in that we know well. I'm just like having a brain fart. You're not, you're not. She's not like. Oh, classic.

Okay, oh, by the way, I'm not having a brain fart. Like she's kind of like a mix. Burger on the Orient Express. Like what she's known for are not things that we've really seen. Correct, and I feel like Judi Dench in my mind is a real combo of Maggie Smith and like Helen Mirren. Yeah, she is.

Like Shakespeare in love, Pride and Prejudice, but like she knows. Well, according to my brief Google search, she's actually going blind, which is so sad. That is sad. Well, I was gonna make a funny joke, but I won't say it. This is what he said. He said,

tonight is the one night that Hollywood and science come together. Other than of tonight is the one night that Hollywood and science come together. Other than of course that one magical evening where Dr. Fauci had a one night stand with Dame Judi Dench. Okay. I actually like, I'm not to be like a Wokey.

I take umbrage with that joke. It's disrespectful and not funny. It's disrespectful like to Judi Dench. And like, And it's actually not funny, like at its core. Well that just made me laugh. I didn't realize that this night- I guess what he's saying is like,

Hollywood is Judy Dench. I didn't realize this night is billed as Hollywood and science coming together. That would make sense as to like why Lizzo was there. Why all these freaks were there. But they could have, he could have made a better match of like Dr. Fauci and someone else. That would be a little more respectful.

And I feel like Hollywood and science come together quite a bit like in like plastic surgery, you know. Or like lessons in chemistry, was that nominated for anything at the Breakthrough Awards? Also, James Corden, I feel like, I feel confused like as to why he accepted this gig. I also feel like his weird cancel, he didn't get canceled,

but people were done with him and the show ended. I actually feel like it had a significant impact on his career. Because it was a cut. The James, and we do a petition to not have an army of beads. Right, and so now these are the roles he's left to take. Why the fuck is he doing this? I actually feel like this is pretty prestigious

in the sense that only, it's respectable. It's respectable work. Yeah, I just, there was a time where, you know, he wouldn't be caught dead at the Breakthrough Science Awards. But everyone's going this year. Science is the new frontier. And is it a black tie fair?

Yeah, it's a gala. It's a gala. Red carpet? Red carpet, the works. Everyone decided to go this year. And who ultimately benefits from this event? You know, these are all for charity. Like who, we keep saying science is very generic.

Like who is science? I think they wanna keep it that way. They also celebrate the Breakthrough Prize, which is bestowed by the- Do they have a Nobel? Which is bestowed by the break, which is bestowed by the breakthrough prize board in recognition of scientific advances. They want it to be vague coach.

And is breakthrough the organization? It seems as such. Yeah, the breakthrough prize.org. That would be the organization. Got it. This is just added to the list of like one of the events. Oh, for sure. But the like annual events that like celebrities go to

that LACMA like that we have seriously no idea what goes on inside, but we're just happy to like see the pictures. I just want to say at the Oscars this year, like the lady who runs the Oscars came out and like said something. She actually said like, we do a couple of events throughout the year,

like our LACMA and LACMAR. And she gave context to those things. Those are other Academy events of the year. They don't just pop up at the Oscars. Once a year. So if you're looking to be held in favor by the Oscar board, you go to their other losery events like LACMA.

And you wear your best dress, apparently. Got it, got it. Okay, that does make sense. I think also, it seems as though Katy Perry performed at the Breakthrough Awards. I actually really can't. No, things are getting really, really difficult right now. This is gonna be a hard week

because the ladies launch in seven days. Oh, do they? On April 14th. I fear what the next seven days are in store for us. And then I also feel like the content from the 11 minute trip. Right, they're gonna be making TikToks, doing like glam tutorials.

Here's my winged liner in space. Yeah. So it's been a bad week for science. Isn't this I look out of this world? They'll be singing ET. Literally like they're still in the stratosphere. They'll be like leaving orbit for three minutes. I forgot that she has the song.

Maybe the length of one song. That makes this whole thing much worse. Yeah. Even though that song is really good. It is good. It's not her best. That's not what I would perform in space. What do you think is her best?

I tried to explain this to Jackie, but she like wasn't understanding the like the Gen Z core, but people on TikTok are having a Renaissance with Katy Perry's old song. What song is it? You're like an Indian summer. And they're kind of going back and realizing like, there was a period where Katy Perry sang really weird.

Like she would enunciate her words very strangely. And so, cause when I'm with him, I am thinking of you.'" That song for me is actually top three Katy Perry. It's really good, but if you listen to the verse, she sings like this, "'You're like an Indian summer in the middle of winter.'" And that's why I love TikTok,

because you would have listened to that song and not realized it, but she's being such a freak in that song. Yeah, that's one of her best songs,'s why I love TikTok because you would have listened to that song and not realized it, but she's being such a freak in that song. Yeah, that's one of her best songs though I think. I also love the one that got away. That's what I was gonna say. I love Firework.

I love Unconditionally. Me too, I mean the whole Prism album. I know, I mean we could talk about it at a later date. No, but it should be studied by, I don't know, maybe someone at the Breakthrough Academy of Science, like how Katy Perry really went from being one of the biggest pop stars in the world, like Super Bowl, while also like being a really talented singer,

vocalist and songwriter. Like her music is very good to now where she's like kind of, I think American Idol helped a little bit, but she's like a little bit of a joke. Yeah. And she literally cannot get arrested musically. Yeah. But she literally tried to get arrested, her and Dr. Luke, and it still didn't work.

Yeah. She needs to be studied. It should be a cautionary tale to young pop stars everywhere. But I couldn't exactly pinpoint what she did wrong. Of course the haircut. It was Bon Appetit. Bon Appetit. And then it was Downhill from there.

It was that whole year of doing different music that wasn't you. It was what she thought she did, Bon Appetit. Then she did Change to the Rhythm. She was like, LARPing genres, LARPing personalities, LARPing styles, like that wasn't true, Katie. Yeah. She got lost.

It's true. Are you ready for our next story? I am. A little exciting bed news because Love is Blind stars Amber and Matt Barnett have welcomed their first baby. So Amber and Matt Barnett are from the first season of Love is Blind. They are the first first season baby. And are they not the first? Oh, Alexa Lemieux. Alexa and then also Tiffany have a baby and Brett. I don't know. But like we always say there's no Love Island babies and there's like five Love Island.? That too, there's no Love Island babies.

There is a Love Island baby, it's Bambi. Bambi. But there's no season one baby even though those couples have been together the longest. Until now Amber gave birth to her first baby she announced on Sunday. She said baby Barnett has arrived and is more perfect than anything I could have dreamed.

If you hadn't guessed yet, baby B is a she and I literally can't believe the hospital let us take her home and that she's actually ours. So cute, I'm really happy for Vanessa Lachey. She was kind of hung up on there being no baby. She got a lot of shit for always talking about it. I wonder what kind of gifts she's gonna send. I think she'll send something nice.

Me too. Because she's so excited. Like in her mess blanket? The more love is blind babies that happen, the less like the pressure is off of her for having said those things. And the more job security she has because it like, it proves the experiment. Yeah, I'm really happy for Emma and Marinette. They're still one of my favorite couples that I've ever seen on the show.

I was rooting for them since day one. I mean, when you think about it now in hindsight, like with all the context, it is so crazy that they're still together just because they were like one of the most talked about chaotic storylines in the first season. They, the choke hold they had on this nation with Amber, what was her name? Jessica B34 and Mark B24.

Like that, you had to be there, you know? It was such a good season. So they were like one of two, there were only two couples that stayed married from that season, the other being Lauren and Cameron. And I feel like they were always in Lauren and Cameron's shadow because they're like two people have never been so beloved while Amber and Barnett definitely had fans.

They also had a lot of controversy. And so it was hard to come off that season where it's like, you all did the same thing, but like everybody loves those two. Everybody's confused by you two and they've emerged. It's true. It's true. And it's like, it wasn't still is like the Lauren

and Cameron Speed Hamilton show. Like anytime you talk about like the greats, even though like Lauren and Cameron are just as legit and long standing as Amber and Barnett. Yeah, like now the proof is in the pudding. I don't even think they care, but I'm sure at that time coming off the first season of a show, you're so excited.

And it's like, you did the same thing those people did and they're getting all the love and all the, and like you- But they were just different. I know, I was there. Like, actually I still loved Amber and Barnett, but like I understood why Lauren and Cameron, like they said that they are the reason why this show

has eight dreadful seasons. Cause we're trying to recapture that magic. They are owed like 1% of the show. They are owed equity why the show has eight dreadful seasons because we're trying to recapture that magic. They are owed like 1% of the show. They are owed equity in the show. The show is only successful and proven because of them. Yeah. Agreed. Are you ready for our next story,

which is actually some adjacent news because a new trailer just dropped for a new competition show on Netflix starring the former stars of Love is Blind, Cheer, Selling the OC, and other Netflix reality shows. Cheer? Cheer. They're doing like all stars.

That was also a cultural reset. Yeah, but now they all have somewhere to go because stars from across Netflix's reality universe will compete in grueling physical and mental challenges all while attempting to keep their name off a giant spinning wheel that randomly decides who gets eliminated. That doesn't seem fair,

but similar to MTV's The Challenge, this show is called Battle Camp, and it will welcome the reality stars to camp, love that, where they're divided into three teams to compete in a series of physical and mental challenges. I think that there are a lot of shows like this, and sometimes they really hit, like, MTV's The Challenge, just kind of as traitors to taking reality stars from different universes, I think that like there are a lot of shows like this and sometimes they really hit like MTV's The Challenge

is kind of is like Traders too, taking reality stars from different universes. But there have been a lot of shows that have tried to do this and some of them are really bad. Yes, but there are also a lot that are successful like The Challenge is major. Traders, what's the other, oh, what's the other one that's like everyone talks about?

There was an E1. Oh. House of Villains. And also Famously in Love, my favorite show. Yeah, but so there are a lot that are dating shows, like Perfect Couple. Yeah, but Sex on the Beach. Yeah, what's the one where Harry Jowsey met Jess

from Love is Blind. Oh, that's Perfect Couple, I think. Yeah, so they- But what is the one where Blake met Gia Nino? Do they meet on a show? Yeah, on a show like this. Ex on the beach. Oh, Ex on the beach.

Ex, not sex, ex on the beach. Yes, so there are a lot that have come and gone, whether they're dating or just like competition, and it's not a perfect formula. Like it requires, and I kind of, I know that there are a lot of like reality shows on Netflix, but I like when they go to different ponds. Like that's why Traders is good.

Like you have people from Survivor with Real Housewives. Like Netflix casts a lot of the same type of people. Yeah, but listen to the shows they're pulling from. Love is Blind, The Ultimatum, Queer Love, Perfect Match. Yeah, people really like that. But Perfect Match is like already a residual show, but okay. Too Hot to Handle, Selling the OC, Cheer.

Unless it's Gabby. Like who from Cheer is gonna be on this? It has to be Gabby. Hold on, it says at the bottom. Let me see who it is. Yes, it's Gabby. Okay, there's literally no one else that's like not in jail. No, that's not in jail, correct.

Or what did you say, Monica? The Circle, The Mole, Squid Game's The Challenge. Yeah, yeah, the Circle and The Mole are like mole, squid games, the challenge. Yeah, yeah. The circle and the mole are like a little bit older, but people really enjoyed them at the time. Here are people who we know that are competing. So Gabby and remember Irina from Love is Blind? Of course I remember Irina from Love is Blind.

Yeah. And then- She's perfect for this. Morgan from Cheer also. she's super cute. She was a cutie. And not in prison. Yeah, right. I mean, I guess there's only one person in prison, but it just kind of takes over the whole thing.

It feels like they all went. It's so true. And they definitely all felt compliant. No, it just became prison. Correct. That was so crazy. Nothing will ever be crazier than that. Agreed.

It couldn't have been even a crazier show for someone to go to prison, because there were like 12, and a crazier cast member, because no one in this country was more beloved than Jerry from Cheer. No one. And I still have a hard time coming to terms that the Jerry beloved Big Teddy Bear,

who everyone just was like rooting for was also, you know, doing that. The things he did, that, those things. Bad things. Oh my God. No good, very bad things. I'm glad that Gabby and Morgan will have this opportunity. I think they'll do great cause they're so physically fit.

I do think they were also like sort of robbed of careers because the show after the Jerry thing, like they did do another season, it wasn't the same. And then they just sort of like gave up on it. And Netflix was right. Like it was just not, it was not good anymore. But I do think that it left like girls who were on their way to becoming like big time reality

stars, influencers, celebrities like Gabby, like Morgan, just kind of left them in the lurch and there was no opportunities for them after. So this is good. It's like a little too late, but it's good. I'm happy. I think they do okay, like on their social medias and stuff. Me too.

Up until actually last week, I was following Gabby on TikTok cause she was like doing stunts and stuff. Oh, she's always doing stunts. But now it's like a lot of her and her boyfriend and I'm happy for her, but like, I just, I didn't find it the content like for me. I understand. Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

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It's a little White Lotus news because it's just emerged that Woody Harrelson was actually set to be in the cast of this season of White Lotus. As who, Jason Isaacs? No, as either Rick, or his friend Frank, who was then played by Sam Rockwell. And I actually think it would have been more Sam Rockwell because of what Leslie Bibb said.

Remember how it was like kind of last minute? It was like kind of last minute. Yeah, they were like in Africa, and then they started running his line. So I think it fell through with Woody Harrelson. And he just explained why, because word on the street was that it was about the salary, which we said on the Patreon, a story from the Patreon.

Oh, you guys missed this, but it was a good story last week they shared. Everyone on the White Lotus makes the exact same salary. It's about $40,000 an episode, 320,000. So whether you're a newbie or not, like too bad. Yeah, you make the same. And I think that keeps things like really clean. There's no negotiation, like it is what it is.

And he said, I was said to do the White Lotus and was very excited. Unfortunately, their production schedule shifted and conflicted with a pre-planned family vacation forcing me to make an extremely hard decision. Things must be meant to be though because I couldn't have done as fantastic as a job as Sam who was killing it.

I just wanna say, I think Sam Rockwell is doing great but Woody Harrelson like literally would have done just as good. They're the same person. And same for if he played Rick. Except that I find Woody Harrelson like literally would have done just as good, they're the same person. And same for if he played Rick. Except that I find Woody Harrelson a little distracting only because he's so famous. That's what I like about the-

Is he so Woody? Yeah, that's what I like about the White Lotus. They pick like random people who are all really good actors and you know them from some things, but nobody's like a big ass star that like it's easy to sort of slip in and just be in Thailand.

Whereas Woody Harrelson is like so distinct. I don't think he would have been a good Rick. I think he would have been a better Sam Rockwell. But still, I actually don't think it's the right fit. Also, the fact that production shifted and messed with a vacation. Now of course, family vacation is really important, but when you're a celebrity,

like you can go on vacation whenever, and it's like money's no object. I thought that was nice. It is nice, but it makes me think like you didn't really wanna do it. Cause when it conflicts with another project, like you contractually,. It is nice, but it makes me think like you didn't really want to do it. Cause when it conflicts with another project, like you contractually, you can't get out of it. Like that just sucks.

But a vacation could be moved. I don't know what if it was like a wedding or something. Like I think that's nice that if true, that Woody Harrelson like wouldn't mess with a pre-planned family vacation. But if he has a lot of kids, maybe they're in school and it's just like, this is the only few weeks we can take. And dad showed up. I don't even know if he has a lot of kids, maybe they're in school and it's just like, this is the only few weeks we can take. And dad showed up.

I don't even know if he has kids. Maybe that's it. But for me, it just felt like he didn't really wanna do it. I think if he were lying, he could have come up with a better lie. Yeah. You could also look up, like if he had said, I had another project, we can look up your projects

and see that like there wasn't a conflict. I don't know. I just, I feel like we couldn't, like you never know. And I think it would have been covered. Maybe it's like a different project. But I just wanna I feel like we couldn't like you never know. And I think it would have been a different project. But I just want to say if he were in the show, I know it's like, yeah, he would be distracting. He would have been perfect. It would have been great. People would be obsessed with him right now and he'd be going viral like Walter Goggins is. Yeah. Walter Goggins is going so viral. They're saying receding hairlines

are in. I love that. Um, also I saw a funny interview of the girlies, like the vacation girlies, Carrie Coon talking about how, because she was filming in Thailand for so long, and then when she got home, she went directly into Gilded Age, she could not get even the slightest tan. She had to stay as pale as she is. She says, we literally were not allowed to go outside until five o'clock on their days off, and we would go swimming in long sleeves and pants. That's so interesting. I know I was like that sucks because one of the fun parts is like, oh you're in Thailand

But even for the show they were only there for a week. So they really couldn't get that tan Yeah, and if they film the last episode before the first episode right Tanner then yeah. Mm-hmm So I found that interesting that is interesting. Let's do white lotus recap because the season 3 ended last night We find out who's the killer, who got killed, what was the shooting? What were your thoughts? My thoughts were as such. And of all the people that they could have killed,

like I definitely like had the least amount of love for these two. Oh, by the end I really liked them. By the end she was really sweet. Yeah. She was kind of the breakout star of the seat. There were a couple. Definitely.

I feel like everyone's actually going by where like Patrick Schwarzenegger, Parker Posey. Oh, sorry. Parker Posey is the breakout star. If we're gonna give it to one person. Walters Ogden's like, we're saying everyone. By the way, my favorite is the other girlie, her friend. Leslie Bim? No, I don't even know what her name is. Chloe.

That's like the worst character. I love her. She's so pretty and dresses so fun. And she's just like worst character. I love her. She's so pretty and dresses so fun. And she's just like so funny. I love her. So my takeaway from this season, and I am having a hard time remembering if I feel this way every season,

is like they build up all these random storylines, the incest, like for what? Yeah. It had nothing to do with the shooting. Yeah. I mean, they couldn't all be intertwined with the shooting. I just feel like the windup- None of them were-

The windup was sadly not worth the time we put in. No, when literally Sreetala was like, "'He's your father.'" Like, you're kidding me. Well, I thought he was his father. I thought he was his father. Why would we care? We didn't even know anything about Rick.

We got to know everyone on a more developed level, except Rick, like what is it about your relationship with your father? Who was your father? Like it's like, okay, so he's your dad. Why do I care? No, and also like your life was so terrible and your life has been awful.

But how do you have enough money to stay at this hotel? Oh, and I'm sorry. How dumb are you? Like you come to this woman's house, you beat up her old husband, and then you go back to her hotel. Obviously she's gonna come find you. Right, that was so weird.

Or they'll at least get your girlfriend who they know is still, that was kind of a plot hole. The fact that he went back to the hotel with no sense of urgency about we have to get out of here. He's just like enjoying the breakfast spread. Are you crazy? You broke into her house

and you threatened her husband with a gun and then you pushed over an old man. I thought that the man was gonna be his father because that's like a great way to end it and they were looking alike But then when he went into the breakfast and said like your father was a piece of shit your mom You know, she told you sold you a lie. I was like, oh, I guess not I thought it was coming in the hotel to be like Rick. I am your father Got it. And then when he shot him, I was like, oh, and then he is your father.

I'm like, well, damn, this is all for nothing. You know, and it was like, Rick spirals out of control and he lost his dad and the love of his life and then his own life. For nothing. For nothing. Over a lie that his mom told him. The hard part of the episode was that like,

I had officially for the first time lost love for Thomas Ravenel. What are you doing killing everyone? And he was going around making a list, checking it twice, like, do you need money to live? Yes, yes, oh, you're dead. No, you can stay. Is life worth living for you?

Yeah, and so when he found out Piper did it at the monastery, he's like, oh, well, she's now on the list. It was so funny. And then it's like the little brother, he said he could live without money, but he never said he could live without his entire family of green. And then like him being the one. And also like I took Umbridge with like him using a dirty blender.

I know. But remember like he's a teenager and like he's a boy and they're not gonna wash anything That's just crazy. He might have thought it was Saxon's that Saxon already made right? It was just like fresh Protein maybe but it was still gross But like honestly, I think the idea that a six-year-old boy would rinse out the blender first is more far-fetched But the fact that the father wouldn't rinse out the blender filled with poison is crazy. But he's on drugs. You have to remember he's high on lorazepam, which also brought him to wanting to kill his whole family.

Yeah, I'm glad he, when they were all drinking, I was like, oh, but I know that like the death in White Lotus is a shooting. So this would just be more extra deaths on the side. Extra deaths on the side. And I also felt like the whole time I was holding out hope that things would get cleared up with the FBI for him, I feel like because they didn't have their phones,

it was like, wait, you're really gonna kill yourself even though maybe like everything's gonna be fine. Jackie, 1000%, I thought on the boat home, he was gonna tell his kids, by the way, like he's gonna spill the beans, and then he finally gets his phone back two seconds later, and the lawyer's like, Ken, Mr. Wen, that guy, he died or whatever, it's over.

And he told his family and almost killed them for nothing. But I guess that's too, the show isn't convenient like that. It's realistic. No, they have to go home and deal with what has happened. But you saw the relief on his face when he told his family. It was almost like he was worried more about telling his family than he was

about the consequences of his actions. So it's like your whole trip was ruined. You could have just told them a couple of days ago. Yeah. And you almost killed the, Lowchampi, what's like your whole trip was ruined. You could have just told them a couple of days ago. And you almost killed the low-truman. What's his name? Yeah, right. Low-truman.

What the fuck? What, Lachlan? Lachlan. Locky. Locky. And so I, oh, and in the beginning of the episode when Locky and Saxy were talking about their, yeah, about their escapade.

And he was just trying to explain that like, you know, like actually I understood his line of thinking. Like you're obsessed with getting off. I am here able to do that and I love you. Like, I'm glad that Patrick Schwarzenegger was like, shut up, but I kind of understood what he was saying. I understood. Like as much as you could explain something like that,

I think that he did, but it obviously speaks to like a deep like lack of moral compass that he didn't know like the difference between helping out his brother and being disgusting. Yeah, for sure. It's definitely a tough line. Yeah, I just, I wanted to say like I judged him a lot and I still do.

And after hearing his explanation, it's still inexcusable beyond belief. But I understand how he got to that place. Previously, I thought he was like a serious pervert, like lock him up and throw away the key. Me too, I thought in the monastery, he was gonna start fiddling with Piper. But now I just think that he's like such a moron.

Yeah, me too, me too. And then the three girlies who were like sort of, found themselves at the center of the shooting, although they all made it out alive. Their whole week like came to a head at this dinner where Carrie Coon gives this really fuckin' pathetic monologue about how basically she looks at her friends and one of them is a famous movie star

and she's so beautiful in her life, it's amazing. And the other one, Leslie Biblick, seems to have a really good balanced life, family, faith, and she seems really happy. And that's so great. And Carrie Coon, while she has neither of those things, she's just happy to be here. It was really pathetic,

but I think as far as the powerful monologues of the season, I think that that was the best written. Yes. And even though I don't think that time is as much of a testament to a life well lived as living well. So the wind up for her, like she didn't like fully drive the point home

that she's happy, like, cause she's here. She's not, that's what she was saying. She was just like, listen, it is what it is, but like I love our friendship and like, while my life sucks and your guys's seems to be great, like that's good. And I want to keep being your friend because it's convenient. No, because like I'm happy to be great, like that's good. And I wanna keep being your friend because it's convenient.

No, because like I'm happy to be your friend. I actually like, it was so pathetic when she was just like, and you know, I am happy to be at this table. I'm here. That's what she's saying. It was very like small. And they were like so happy to hear her say it. Because it was like an obvious truth that they've been saying, like, she doesn't seem happy.

She's put all of her eggs into work that hasn't paid off for her. That's not fulfilling. Like, and now she's just like being honest with them. And I think first being honest is like a good place to start. But I think it was actually really powerful thing that she said about having no religion when you're like a religious person and you don't have that North Star in your life. It doesn't have to be God, it can be family. It can be, it could be work if that works out.

But without something like that, like and you're really untethered, it's a very depressing place to be. Now, I can't recall in previous seasons if it was always like this. I just felt like there were so many things we got like invested in that went nowhere. The robbery and like not Guy Toc telling Valentin,

like I- Guy Toc, I wish I had the gun because I would have shot him. And I really thought, I really thought he was gonna get himself killed. Like that towards the middle of the episode, I was like, oh, he's gonna die because he's such an idiot. Like he's going to get himself killed.

Nobody put a target on his back with Valentin and his violent friends. Oh, I know what you did. And I'm like stewing on it. No. And the fact that he didn't tell anyone that's not even you being violent is telling someone like, and having justice be served. That was so stupid.

I wish Lisa walks out the door. Except Lisa was pissing me off. Like guy talk is just beta and that's okay. Like he knows who he is and he's trying to be something he's not for Lisa, and every time she's still like, oh, you have a gun? Let's have sex. Oh, you didn't get the promotion?

I have to go help my mom with her back. She's so transparent. She was actually starting to piss me off. Yeah, he's not ambitious, he's not smart. He's not good at it. She knows what she wants, and she's honest. Let him go. But what's also funny is that he couldn it. She knows what she wants. And she's honest. But like, let him go. But what's also funny is that like,

he couldn't even see that like, what she wants from him, which is to be driven and successful. And he thinks like saying, I'm gonna start over, like that she's gonna say anything other than, okay, gotta go. Right.

And the wind up with him being the hero and winding up being the bodyguard, like he won't be a good bodyguard. He only like killed Rick. I am deeply worried for Sreetala. Rick was walking so slow. and he had literally no choice but to kill him because Sritala was yelling at him. Screaming, it's such a,

Rick couldn't have been walking slower. He's carrying a dead body. So true. And he's walking away from you. Like. 10 seconds to kill him. And he still needed two shots. He will not be a good bodyguard. He will not be the man that Lisa might think

that he is today. And also, but now Lisa like knows what's in his heart. She should have run. Now, did you watch a first season? Yeah. So I did think that the end with Belinda was actually quite poetic. Because if you remember from the first season,

the first season was that like these rich people came and they literally destroyed the lives of every person who worked locally in Hawaii, including Belinda. Tanya was gonna open a thing with her and whatever. And Belinda kind of has become the person that she is. She left PornChai in the dust, even though PornChai really liked her. And just because you have $5 million

doesn't mean you can't still go into business. $5 million is a lot, but it's not 100. For sure, but she was saying, can I just be rich for a second? Do I have to start my own business today? Can I just relax? Invested in the stock market. But the way she just left him behind,

literally didn't give it a second thought. She's kind of become what she hated. Yeah, she has. She chose the money and left someone on the island who she said that she would start a business with, just like Tanya did to her. And a known murderer. She could have had justice for Tanya,

even though that's really not her problem. Yeah, no, it was definitely weird, because I also feel like throughout the seasons, Belinda is meant to be a moral compass of the show. And so then to watch them extorting this guy to cover up his murder, you know, that's not super moral compassy. Least favorite character, Zion.

He was pissing me off. Yeah, he was super crazy. He was a cringe too. Yeah, he was. He was meant to be. Yeah, like U of H business, U of what? He was like saying good stuff in the meeting, but with the wrong attitude.

Attitude, agreed. Yeah, but he was saying good stuff. Yeah. So just like, I'm just trying to recall if in previous seasons there were so many stones left unturned, like I know the whole show was not meant to be like all the different storylines connect, just even like that baby shower scene

where Leslie Bibb asked Parker Posey like, didn't I see you at that? Like so, so many things that we like got hung up. The incest like for what? The robbery, but I do think like it was just a, you know, an experience of growth. A week in their lives. Like Saxon, like Saxon is leaving the island

a different man than when he arrived. Yeah. And they all do. Like they leave different, you know. I wasn't happy that Chloe died. Or that even Rick died because- Her name isn't Chloe, it's Chelsea. Chelsea. Chloe's the girl you like.

Chloe lives. Can I put her in the next season? Oh, and then that whole weird thing with Greg, like being obsessed with having sex with his mother. Random. What the fuck? Random. I don't know.

Yeah, it wasn't my favorite season. I also prefer in terms of destination. Like I know this one was a lot about like meditation and Buddhism and like that's kind of boring to me. Even though Ben is now a meditator. Correct. Ben loved like the monks and stuff. I just.

And he meditated at the spa this weekend. He did. Ben took a $40 meditation class. There were like different classes offered. A lot of them were free and then some of them were not. And of course Ben chose one that was not free. I'm like, so you have to stay the whole time. Like you're like, you go.

And he comes out. I mean, he was being so fucking annoying. He was like, it's crazy to be back in the physical world. He did. It was, oh. He's Piper. Yes. It was billed as a one hour meditation class, but it was when he was describing it to me, it's a sound bath. Like there were bowls and

it was very Lauren Bostic of him. And he absolutely loved it. It was like on your back breath work. He sounds like a changed man. Have you noticed a difference in him as a man? I kind of have. Really? What would you say are the differences? She's very tempered Interesting. Yeah, and he's gonna find a place in the city to do sound baths Beautiful. Yeah, I think it's a good hobby. I'm not gonna clown on him. It's definitely like a healthy hobby He could be doing crystal meth, you know, he could he might Yeah, I heard the sound bath to crystal meth pipeline is quite short Yeah, so pray for him and pray for us for having watched that season of White Lotus.

It did not deserve our time. And I know everyone's like so excited and they're like, see, like, ah. It's fun to all watch something and like theorize like about the same thing. And it wasn't a bad season of TV. Like I've watched worse, but there's just so much hype for it that it can really only be disappointing

at this point. Yeah, it's not great television. The way people talk about it, like the Sistine Chapel, like it's insane. Now I remember why I skipped season two because I think I felt this way coming off of season one. Okay, but season two was really good, especially like you really tuned in a lot for the vibes.

And so season two was La Dolce Vita. And so I'm curious to where they're gonna go next. I had seen an interview with Mike White being like, we want a ski chalet, we want Swiss Alps, we want Aspen. And he was like, they pretty much said they'll never go somewhere cold. Like Mike just doesn't wanna physically be in the cold because they filmed for six months.

That's so funny. I feel like they announced where the next season is gonna be. Did they? Yeah, and before, I think I saw what it is, but I just wanna double check. So it was Hawaii and then Italy and then Thailand. Where to next?

For the fourth season, I want to get a little bit out of crashing waves against rocks vernacular. That's fine. What other types of trips are there? They're going on location scouting in the next couple of weeks, so we'll know soon. I can't really say where we're going to land, but chances are somewhere in Europe.

I saw someone like guessing like Mykonos. Oh, that would be good. Yeah, that's still waves on rocks, but. Oh, maybe like Barcelona, like a walking town. Yeah, luxury. So they have a partnership with Four Seasons. And so Four Seasons has European locations in London, no. Paris, no.

It needs to be somewhere a little remote. Yeah. And where it's not like everyone's in the city all day. So they're not like in their hotel. In the hotel. They just go there to sleep. Paris, Geneva, Budapest, Athens, Madrid and Portugal. I feel like no, Madrid is still like a big town. Those kind of all sound not the vibe.

They sound too urban. Yeah. It needs to be like a little bit more in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, where it's like all inclusive resort. Right. Where you don't leave. Well, that's our show you guys.

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