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The Fast Five Things You Need to know.
We'll start your day off, Swirley. It's the Toast.
I sound amazing.
Well, welcome back to the Tirst.
Happy Worst.
Oh, no. Is it Tuesday? It's Wednesday.
Worst.
Happy Worst.
It's terst and jurst.
And that's our episode.
Thank you so much for listening.
Love you, bye.
Do the as.
Just do the as.
And that's kind of like all you needed to hear.
Happy, terst.
It's the turst with Jirsten cursed.
And we're the worst.
No.
No.
No.
No.
Actually, we have a lot to do today because the Summer House episode that was going to break the internet premiered last night.
And I know we were all disappointed because it wasn't the greatest episode of television that I ever saw.
But I do understand why Andy uttered the words that he uttered.
Unfortunately, they just had an effect that was so much a big.
than what the episode actually was.
But last night's episode really does make the West Amanda Sierra situation so much worse.
Like, yeah, there are people who say, like, that's your situation, chip from two years ago.
But I think if you've been watching, even with half an eye, it's like so clear Sierra is still in love with West.
Even this summer, even before this scene, so like, I didn't need that.
Like, I understood the depths of this betrayal.
But yeah, maybe there were some like people out there who needed to see that.
I watched it.
That now we're seeing them get on the right foot.
We're seeing all of the love between them, like in the final conversation.
like they're just crying and they just like like each other so much as friends and for her definitely
more but that's not a possibility and the fact that Amanda is the middleman she's on the fucking
face time while he's apologizing she's the one telling him to apologize and that is what's so
crazy that it's her the Weston Sierra situation is the situation it's so crazy that it's her
so I think I interpreted Andy's hype as just having to do with like Amanda being weird and she didn't even
come. So like that's why I was just immediately sort of like, okay, we've been Alan Cummings.
It was a good episode. It was a great episode of Watcher Happens Live too. I don't know if you
watch it with Jesse Solomon. Oh my God and Chris and Cavalier, of course I ship. Like she can't literally
walk into a room with a man without a ship following behind. Guess I'll start being me. I have a lot
of thoughts. Ben and I watched it. We'll get into it. I'm sure that's a story. I'm going to make the
first story so we can sort of get it off our chest because that's sort of like what's weighing heavily on me
today. I also watch Jeopardy. I don't know if you know, but like there's a guy. I just, I'm like late to it. Like I haven't been on my Jeopardy game, but I heard all the buzz. He's like on his 27th win and he's now in fifth place like behind Ken Jennings of most times one and most amount of money. He's at like over $750,000. Wow. Yeah. That's very cool. You know what I watched a little bit of last night. I did something crazy last night. You watched a little bit of.
You will never guess.
Really?
Unless you know, like, what happened to come on after watch what happens live last night.
Rory?
No.
What?
I'm a little embarrassed.
That you watched.
Beyond the Villa.
It was on Bravo?
It was on Bravo last night, on cable.
Beyond the Villa, the, like, Love Island.
I know, I know, I know.
All of my people were there.
Right.
We watched very, we were having.
heavily involved in the most recent season of Love Island.
Iris, Pepe, T.J.
Hannah, Taylor.
So I saw like that what,
I picked Clark. I saw that
one clip
of, like, really painful
to watch. Like, genuinely, I want,
I'm thinking of filing a class action lawsuit
for, like, the brain cells. And just like the time I had to spend
watching that clip of Hannah coming in,
Lozar, you're such a Lozar.
Where she really comes in to, like, argue with Pepe.
it was just painful.
And he just like really shut her down.
Yeah.
And like didn't.
All she could say was loser.
L loser.
It was painful.
It was interesting because like at one point so many.
And weirdly the people who were on the show are kind of my faves like T.J.
and Iris.
Charlie.
Mm-hmm.
Jeremiah.
And so I'm watching the show and like this show was the love island this summer and
the summer before like we're the biggest shows that ever happened ever, never, ever.
and now you literally can't pay people to watch Beyond the Villa.
I know, and I don't know why it has like the most sad sort of vibe to it.
Because at a time, and you know what, like I feel like Clark and Taylor never got their sort of flowers.
Like they are one of the last remaining couples.
And yeah, he was like, you know, so mean to Alandria, but like, I'm sorry, he chose love and he's still with her.
So again, these are people who deserve to be followed and like have their stories told, but like I don't care.
No, and it's a great premise for a show.
Like, let's follow the people who all fell in love with and have millions of followers and they all live in L.A.
and let's give them a...
It's brilliant.
I don't know why I don't want to watch it.
I don't know why no one else wants to watch it.
And I started watching it last night and I was like, no.
I think they need to quicken the turnaround time because, like, remember when people were getting sent home and they were like actively making TikToks and stuff while the show was still going on?
Like, their star drops so quickly.
Yeah.
And the second you get home, you just automatically, even if you were beloved, like,
you automatically just become like a loser.
And so now seven months later, however many months, like, we really don't care.
We don't.
But I think they should keep doing the show because I think it's like makes a sense to do it.
It does.
It makes a sense.
Yeah.
But I don't know who's watching.
So anyways, I got roberts.
I can't believe you watch it.
I know.
I know.
Well, it was just like on after watch what happens live.
And I was puttering around.
I don't understand that they played it on Bravo.
Peacock.
Oh, it came up on Peacock after you're saying.
Peacock, it's a peacock show.
I know.
Shows on Peacock, then air.
But they never played Love Island on Bravo.
Like, it's just weird.
It's all part of the family.
So their cousins were on.
No, no, no, but their cousins were on.
It's weird.
It's like the niece and nephew of Bravo.
And I don't know.
I think they found the right audience in me,
if there ever was going to be one.
And it was funny,
Zach was with me and, like,
he watched that Love Island,
the end of it with us to do.
I don't even think he knew
that that's who those people were,
honestly.
No,
it's been so long.
He didn't say anything.
I assume Nicolandria, like,
are too good for the show.
Nick is not on the show,
nor is Orlandria.
And neither of them are part of Nicolandria
is not a thing.
Yeah,
I feel good about the fact that, like,
when eventually, like,
in five years time,
when, like, they come out and share,
like,
relationship. I will feel good knowing like I never bought into it and I wasn't afraid to speak my
truth either. I will never forget when Love Island was airing. That was when you were in the
beginning you were on maternity leave so I was doing like guest co-hosts in June and Natalie Vial came on
the show and she was watching Love Island too and recapping it and I was telling her do you know there's
a group of people before Nick and Alandria even got together.
You know there's a group of people who stand Nick and Alandria and they showed her like some of the
fan edits.
We were on the floor, like how this could never happen.
It was the most far-flung thing.
And the fact that, like, that's the takeaway from the season is so crazy.
And I am glad that, like, this farce of a relationship, like, gave us Allandria.
Like, I don't see Nick anywhere, which I'm grateful for.
Like, I don't need to see him.
But she is, like, constantly elevating.
She goes to fashion shows.
She speaks on panels.
I actually being a part of Nick Allandria is holding her back.
One, in the sense, it, like, ties her to, like, now.
Yeah.
And, two, like, I want her to be single and meet.
I know.
Of her caliber.
Yeah, the relationship definitely, like, was a launching pad for her, and that's fine.
But we know it's not real and, like, just cancel it.
So you can maybe, like, date someone.
Yeah, it must be.
It must be loondry being.
Lontery.
It's lonely.
It's lonely.
It's lonely being part of Nickelandria.
And not that I like him, but I feel bad for Nick too because he cannot smooch one girl while
he's a part of Nicolandria because he will get really.
And at least he's smart enough to know that.
That's true.
But I feel like the best.
benefits of being a part of this fake relationship
are not nearly as great for Nick as they are
for Orlando. So like, I don't know why
he's still participating. Like, I do think
they should just call a quits. Being attached to like the
most fabulous greatest person
to come off of the show. Like he's otherwise
like just a random on Beyond the Villa.
Like it's very good for him. But like, that's
a man who's dedicated to his career
and the hustle that he would forego
really romance and
sex, I would say, for eight months
for his career.
It's admirable. I love to see.
Wilson should try it.
I just like, I hate, hate, hate him.
He should try that.
And it was so interesting watching Jesse on,
he was being really open.
And of many of the things that he said were like kind of groundbreaking.
But one of the things that he said was that he's expecting West to be really defensive at the reunion,
not, you know, coming, groveling, you know, eating shit, taking accountability.
And he's really coming defensively about the time.
timeline. And it's like, okay, so the first time he spoke out, he spoke about the timeline.
Jesse said, like, his number one topic is the timeline. He's getting his receipts in order.
And that's like the least small, that's the smallest problem here. Nobody thinks that.
I'm operating in late Feb. Like, nobody thinks that. I hate when people, I hate when people go to
the extremes like that. And they only address the most extreme allegations. And it's like,
nobody's over there. We're all over here. Let's talk about the thing. And I honestly, I hope he
comes in more defensive because if he comes in with his like mumbling contriate apology,
I'm bad.
I'm bummed out that I hurt you.
Like that's not interesting to watch.
Like stay with your chest.
Why'd you do what you did?
And that you keep doing it.
And I guess like Amanda, they're taking different approaches.
Like Amanda has like sat down with people as apologizing.
And like West is just sort of defensive.
Guess he'll start.
Who she sit down and apologize to?
Jesse.
She did or she texted him?
I think they sat down for coffee.
I saw like de Moximo posting that they had sat down a while ago.
but I thought that was when she lied to his face.
He had said,
well, Dmoximo put together that that was actually like the coffee in question.
The coffee of lying to the face.
No.
The coffee of.
Apologies.
Okay.
Well, let's get into the stories because we're getting into the stories as we do.
Wait, anything else I just want to like talk about,
oh, I finally got my coppers of strangers bell burden and I'll be starting it today.
Like five days for a book on Amazon, that's insane.
What did I say?
I don't know.
It sounded like coppers of strangers bell burden, which I knew what you meant.
Um, that's not what I said. Roll the tapes.
No, maybe you've said it's something else, but it's like how concrete jungle, wet, dream
tomato sounds like coppers.
Laurel Yanny.
Copper, Strangers, Bell Burden.
I got my copy of Strangers Bell Burden.
And I'll be starting it this evening.
Yeah, you're going to have to get to it because we got to recap it.
No, I got to recap it.
I'm sitting on my hands, but I can't be, I can't be silenced much longer.
But I actually am glad I've had some time to really ruminate on the book because,
because I feel like when I read it,
I thought it was just a book.
But then I saw my friend Erica, like, posted that she had read it.
And she was like, I think this is a book that, like,
most women need to read at some point in their life.
Oh, wow.
And I agree with that.
Yeah.
It's a cautionary tale.
It's not just like a crazy story.
Right.
Outlier.
It's a cautionary tale.
And women should know that these things happen.
Okay.
So we look forward to you.
we look forward to you.
We should do a recap of it and like put on the redheads just to like
bump up the redheads.
Sure. You know I'm like, can't be getting.
Itching.
Okay, let's get into the stories then.
Yeah.
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Our first story is a summer house recap
because we got a lot of information
from last night's episode
and from watch what happens live with Jesse Solomon.
So in last night's episode,
Sierra and West,
West, vow to be best friends again
and Amanda confronts West about disrespecting Sierra.
So, yeah, the conversation
at the end, I think, was what Andy was referring to, because I guess if you wanted to be a naysayer
up until this point, you could have just said, like, well, yeah, what Amanda did, like, wasn't the best,
but this is somebody who Sierra dated for six months two years ago. Like, we need to move on.
But if you've been watching, like, it's so clear that Sierra is so hung up on him, which just
makes living in a house with him so much more complicated for her. She says, like, I really wish I hated you.
Like, it just would make my life so much easier, but she doesn't. And he did this really bad, like,
thing and he really hurt her and she doesn't know how to move on because they did sort of like end
abruptly they weren't their their relationship like wasn't over he just decided like he wanted to
be famous and like pop pussies at the watch parties and so everything that they were like building
together just came crumbling down so quickly so it left her without any closure with all these feelings
that she has sort of refused to acknowledge i just think if you're watching it's quite obvious and
I feel like last night was the first time that they ever spoke like in a real way and where she was able to
acknowledge those feelings and just sort of let her walls down.
It was it was heartbreaking.
Like it was so sad.
It was sad to watch, especially because he obviously likes her, but can't stop being
himself enough to just give her and be for her who he would need to be.
But the idea, I mean, now I don't ship them at all.
But if we're just recapping the episode, like, at the time, like, why is going out
for him and like being with these randos and going to watch parties like more attractive
to him than like being.
being with a person that he considers his best friend who's so gorgeous, who likes him so much.
And, like, they had the best time together two summers ago.
Like, how could a person be so stupid?
I know.
I know.
I think maybe at this point he doesn't feel it's an option, even though, like, she literally
can't talk to him or about him without crying.
It's so clear that there are so many feelings there.
But also, it seems like going forward, things are about to, like, head back into sort
of romantic territory.
Oh.
The preview for next week, someone's saying, like, Sierra and West are, like,
best friends again, you know, and it's only a hop, skip, and a jump from that to romantic partners.
And that sort of gives credence to the rumors that they had hooked up in the fall or even in the winter
before Amanda and Wes, because I do see how now we're marching down that path.
And I do see if that's the case, how like then both of their, up until this point when Amanda
did to Sierra is worse than what West did to Sierra.
But if that's true, if they do connect, whether it's hook up or just like explore the
possibility of something. His crime is just as big as Amanda's and he deserves just as much
hate. Yeah. So I think it's going to get worse for him. But it also is simultaneously getting worse
for her as she continues to be the person in between the two of them, like demanding that he treat
her better, letting her know that he's not good enough for her. He's not good enough for her,
but he's good enough for you. And it's just funny in hindsight because obviously we could,
what do you think of yourself then? Well, we know that she has like severely low self-esteem because
of the behavior she accepts from her own husband. But you do. You do. You do. What do you think of your
do sort of look at Kyle now in a different light where he was like, if he had said this before
we knew, I would be like, oh, he's such a fucking asshole. When he was like, oh, my God, I'm finally
having fun in the summer house. Like, I'm so happy I feel so late. And why is it? Oh, because my
bitch wife's not here. Like, if he didn't say bitch wife, he just said, because Amanda's not here.
If he had said that before, I'm like, this fucking guy. But you know what? Like, she is this sort
of drag and dark cloud. And yeah, that's a bummer. Summer should be fun. Summer should be fun. Yeah.
It's so crazy how, like, just context can change what someone's saying.
Even last weekend he was complaining, like, she only wants to hang out with other people.
She doesn't hang out with me.
Before West Mandeval, we were like, shut up.
Well, we want to hang out with you.
You suck.
We're like, wait, that's wrong.
You should be giving attention to your husband.
Yeah, and Jesse said on Watched Up and Live.
So what is it just the eternal truth there, you know?
I think it's probably both.
Not everything can just be like ping pong based on what's going on.
The truth is somewhere in the middle of like her version and his.
Like he's a bad husband and she's a dreadful wife.
Yeah.
No, no.
I'm not saying like who's right in the situation, but I'm like should.
You know, like when he was saying those things before, he was like, no, she should be with
her friends.
But like should a person be with their friends or with their husband?
Both.
Like it shouldn't have to be a trade off.
It really shouldn't be that like difficult to be in a house with your husband and your friends
and like everybody feel like you like them.
And he asked Jesse how Kyle was doing.
And he was like, you know what?
He was doing fine, but he's actually getting angry now.
Because the Yankee game thing, it's like, it's just so disrespectful.
Which I thought was interesting.
Jesse was answering a lot of questions.
He, his energy, it was, I found it a very strange episode.
I was wondering if anybody else felt this way.
First of all, I think Andy hates Kristen Cavaleri.
Really?
I just got that vibe.
Yeah, he was in one of his moods and he was like coming in and out of the mood.
But then she said something.
Like, so all the questions for, I felt bad for Chris and Cavaleri because it was such a big
summer house night.
And she, like, is familiar, and she was giving her takes.
And she has great personality, but, like, there were no questions for her.
Like, and she was just, like, being, like, a Bravo person.
And so all the questions that were for her were about celebrities who have slid into her DMs.
There must have been five different questions from the audience, from Andy.
And she's like, oh, you put me on a spot.
Like, I don't know.
Like, she would have to have, like, research.
And so one of the things, like, who's the most favorite.
Even though I knew the answer for her, a celebrity who slid into her DM that she turned down, Bobby Play.
Okay.
I think what she was talking about was John Mayer.
Because then she was like, oh, I mean, Andy, like,
you know and he was like I could tell he just like hated that she said that and I thought by that
she meant John Mayer like an answer to I feel like probably a lot of people have said into her DMs that
she has turned down and I know that one of those people happens to be Bobby Fly she pulled us that once
so like I was like oh there's an answer but she obviously sometimes you just can't think off the top
of your head of course of course and they didn't tell her in advance that like these were the questions
they should have ultimately all of the questions were about like men that she slept with and
wants to or did in and blah blah blah and she did not name one name the whole episode so i'm so that was
frustrating for andy but very frustrating for her that that's all she's asked about it's a little reductive
it's a little reductive it really is i thought she handled it really well she was also asked about like
spencer for mayor but like it really wasn't about her and so i think she did as good of a job i just got
the vibe that andy really didn't like her especially with that john mayor thing i didn't get that vibe
but i was getting a vibe from jessey like a sad vibe did you get that okay so yes he was
so defeated. Ben was like very moved by the episode. He was like, I feel like I want to reach out
to Jesse Solomon. I feel like he should. That would be a good friend for him. Because then people
were, they were asking him about like his music and he's like, yeah, everyone teases me. Like,
and I just felt bad. Like, I think that he also was asked about the state of his relationship with
West. And he was like, listen, West has been a really good friend to me. So he's not just like
dropping him. But he's being really honest. But he's also being really honest that he's mad. He wants
an apology. He has not gotten one. He was lied to so.
much. He said that like all the boys went to brunch and like how Sierra sort of figured it out like her
womanly intuition. A lot of them did. They were not even being like subtle. Yeah. All the boys went to brunch.
Jesse found out that Wes went to brunch after the brunch with Amanda and he only found out
because him and Jesse and Kyle were like out at a bar and they ran into Amanda and West. That's so crazy.
Not to mention the fact that like people could see them out and like no more. And also Amanda,
Jesse and Wes were all in Miami at one point randomly.
And they went to dinner without Jesse.
Amanda and Wes went to dinner without Jesse.
And at first he was offended,
but now he understands.
But no,
the vibe I got from him definitely,
like,
I think he's in a weird spot of,
of like needing to,
like, condemn his friend,
but that is also his friend,
but his friend has betrayed him
and so those feelings.
But it seems like he's been like a little beat down
by the fans and by like...
I think he's getting a lot of hate.
And to be clear, like,
I believe that he did not know
that this was happening.
And I think he already gets like a lot of like,
kind of like light-hearted hate about his music.
And now it's just like everything piling on.
He's like going on this like 16 city tour for his music and like people are just being mean
to him.
I actually felt bad for him.
Yeah.
I feel like he's not even,
maybe he is,
but I feel like not even so much hate for West Mandeval.
And if he is like that should end right now because he didn't know anything and he
literally has nothing to do with his friend's bad decision.
And I appreciate him actually like standing by his friend.
Not completely turning on him.
Like I actually think that that's the right thing for him to do.
but I just feel like he's getting a lot of hate just like for him as a person and it seemed like
it was also getting to him and I feel like when he came on this show like he worked in finance
he was like the coolest like the first episode you just thought he was like the most handsome
cool like oh my gosh who's going to date Jesse and now he's just kind of like a joke and I just
he's like the joker of the show for real I don't know I just it was I was having one of those
moments of like people shouldn't do reality TV like it really ruins your life like you think
it's amazing and you're still like and I think
he's had so much fun with a lot of the fame,
but like it's not all it's cracked to be.
It's giving like secret lives and more wise.
Even Sierra and West,
like when they're crying,
talking about how the fans are pitting them against each other.
It's so much fueled by the fans.
They like can't even function.
They don't even know how they feel about each other
because everybody,
they open their phone and the world is turning you against this person.
It's a very weird way to live.
And I think ultimately it's not worth it.
I completely agree.
I want to say one thing about the episode last night
and I know like Sierra can do no wrong.
She's a queen.
But she did something that pissed me all.
off her and Mia when they like pulled KJated to the side.
A thousand percent.
And we're like, we're just going to check in.
Like, are you moving really fast?
I feel like KJ and Dara have really given nobody any reason to doubt them.
Like, and it's also not moving fast.
I hate when people are like, oh, we're not going to sleep with other people and we're
going to get to no one.
That's not moving fast.
And it was the same thing with Jesse and Lexi.
And it's like, oh, I just, I'm such a Lexi, truth.
But like, it's the same exact thing.
Like, nobody's making such a big spectacle of it.
But the fact that he has even made a conversation.
actually pissed me off.
Not only that they went to KJ,
which I thought was like so rude.
And I do feel like they see like KJ's a little brother.
So it's not like when they went to Jesse about Lexi
because that was all like people who are literally like sitting on his lap
and rubbing butts like.
Yeah.
No, it was it's very familial.
It was definitely like totally platonic.
But first in the car they sit like she shares her good news and they're like,
don't you think you're moving a little fast?
Like first of all, no.
When did they meet each other?
Four or five weeks ago.
Four or five weeks of intentionally dating like every.
other night seeing that person like yeah at that point asked me to be your girlfriend or what the
fuck are we doing i completely agree i haven't to say that in no problem i did not like that night i thought
it was wrong from like from especially mea initiated and she's like my fave but you know me too
it happens and then that they went to jay and planted these things in his head when men you know
dara's you know women are stalwart and we know what we want but that's all it takes you say that to him
and he's like clams up even the other time when lindsay told him something at ben d's someone's daily said
about Ben and then like he's treating Dara differently like you don't fuck with someone's
relationship like that what are you doing? I agree and well I believe it came from a good place like
it was so not supportive and I don't feel like the two of them are acting anyway but responsibly
like I don't know what the problem is no and I can understand with Jesse and Lexi if it's every week
you come out and there's a new drama and then we hear that you're exclusively dating we're gonna
have some questions because there's been drama these two are so normal and knowing that they're
dating today. Like they're obviously right for each other. Even if it doesn't work out, like in this
moment, they're right for each other and they know what they want. Like, I hated that and was giving
like Carl and Lindsay and everyone just like, they're moving too fast. Like seriously stop with that.
And you know, people around here, they're kind of grown. It's time to make haste.
Agreed. Agreed. Agreed. Oh, when they went to the few, the medium and the medium was talking about
like Mia having a daughter, like I was crying. Like I was actually sobbing. I kind of made like a Mia
spin-off.
Like, I heard a brother, like something.
I just, like, it's very hard for me to get on board with, like, a new cast member's
personal storyline.
I just, no matter, I just find it.
Like, I need to really know you before I care.
But with her, like, oh, Ben was getting, like, a little choked up, too.
Like, it was really.
It was very emotional from the jump.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She's been such a value add to the show.
Yeah.
I think, like, she's here to stay.
1,000 percent.
And I need to.
Lily and Levi. By the way, Levi looks like Olivia Rodriguez.
Levi looks like Olivia Rodriguez. Where was Levi? I haven't seen her in like three episodes.
I saw her in a flashback. I was like Olivia Rodriguez.
I like Bailey. Like I really do. I hope she stays.
Bailey was there.
Was she? Yeah, she was like killing.
But they said there was three girls. She was killing the fly in the living room with Carl. You don't remember?
That wasn't from like the previous weekend or something.
No. But they said there was three girls this weekend. Sierra.
Mia Dara
I feel like Bailey wasn't there
I saw Bailey there she was wearing like a chain mail dress
Maybe but I think the episode spanned over two weekends
It was like a weekend and in the city
Like a Sunday
The dog event which they totally added back in for
Yeah because how uninteresting
No and they wanted to show that lingering hug
Also watch what happens live Andy was doing his watch
What Happens 5 at the end or whatever
And it was like five reasons why this episode was so cringe for
covers of West Mandeval.
Did you see this?
No, I must have fell in and fall asleep.
Like I didn't.
He's like, so he's reading through all the five things that were like really shocking
to watch in this episode given what we know now.
And like, I don't know why towards the end, it was like he hated every minute of what
he was saying.
And I feel like not because he hates his job, but I feel like he felt like it was a little
bit too shot infreidy.
And like they were like capitalizing too much on like the Sierra heartbreak.
And he felt like sort of sad.
And he, as he's reading these words, he's like,
literally wants to stop reading them and he's like looking around like who fucking wrote this jagget i'm telling
you last night was a weird episode like if you are if you're in tune with like andy coens fluctuating
moods yesterday was because they were like high highs and really low lows like sometimes he just
doesn't even listen to the guest's response on zoom was asking a question and oh yeah and she was so sweet
to make a little joke and then jesse joseph got visibly frustrated and jesse gave it to him a little bit
He was like, come up.
Like, he was just a little bit like, like, what's the big fucking deal?
No, Andy was like seriously on his period last night.
Like, he was so moody.
We should do another podcast where we watch Watch what happens live every night.
And then the next day he just like talk about how Andy was.
Yeah, some of it is predictable.
Like when there's really big stars, like he's never going to act like that.
He reserves that for like reality stars and his own Bravo Liberty people.
And some nights he's just like in a good mood.
I think some nights he drinks and that like always lifts his spirits, but most nights he doesn't.
And like the man is super like hardworking.
He does the radio in the morning and he's a full time, you know, working parent.
And like I'm, I feel you.
But like you can't be so rude sometimes.
He's so rude.
He was really rude in that moment with the person on Zoom.
She was like just, she made a little joke.
She was adorable.
You just like conversing.
Like you just have to like let it flow.
And okay, so maybe you don't get to ask another question before the commercial break.
But like it is what it is.
And you don't even want to ask a question before the commercial break.
So just leave it alone.
You don't want to ask a question.
Guess I'll start.
I do think Ben should reach out to Jesse.
He literally said that he was going to like DM him.
I think they would be good friends.
And I think Jesse needs just like a bunch of like good loyal like people around him.
Yeah.
Yeah, bummer.
Well, he needs to also write another.
I thought it was going to be like a seasonal thing where he did what would Jesse Salamie do.
Like I thought we get one every season.
Oh yeah.
But now like I.
Everyone makes fun of his singing and like he just doesn't feel like himself.
Stop, they've sort of beat it out of him.
They have.
I'm sad.
Yeah, no, it's like kind of sad.
No, if you watch last night's episode of Watched Rapp and Live, like he was defeated.
Like he was visibly like shrunken.
Mm-hmm.
It was sad.
Our next story is some more reality TV news because Secret Lives and Mormon Wives, but they are filming.
They will resume their season five production without Taylor,
Frankie Paul and Dakota.
People magazine reports.
A lot of people reported productions back up.
No Taylor, no Dakota.
But of course, Taylor commented on People Magazine's post saying,
interesting.
That's not the call I got.
So Hulu is having their Get Real, you know, the event that it's like they're
upfronts that we saw on Love Thy Nader and on Secret Lives,
where they make a lot of new announcements.
We always hear about new shows.
premiere dates, we see trailers.
It's like a big...
So that I think is today in L.A.
Lots of rumors swirling.
You know, people think,
and this just might be like,
but I've heard it now twice
from two separate places,
that they're going to announce
that they will be releasing
Taylor Frankie's Paul's season of the maturrette
because she's sort of been vindicated legally.
I would be shocked.
I just want to say, like, I'm here for it.
But we read the spoilers.
That's true.
That's true.
What do you think? Are you here for it?
I think that they're not going to do it.
It was such a big decision.
You can't backtrack on it.
Like you just can't.
But where did you hear?
What are the two places that you heard it?
Like Twitter and TikTok, like from two separate corners.
Oh, not like Dmox and D.
No, not like someone I know in the industry.
No, it was giving it was giving rumor, but just putting it out there just in case it's true.
Yeah.
I don't know why.
I'm like I kind of, I feel like I would be into that.
In terms of Salama, with or without Taylor,
like, it's still a good show.
And I don't know, I'm kind of down to, like,
tone it down a little bit.
Like, it doesn't have to be so crazy.
Like, I just liked the show in the beginning.
When they were fighting about, like, brand deals.
Who's not following who?
Not like, all this stuff.
It stopped being fun.
Yeah.
So if Taylor's filming, like, fine.
But I don't need her there, honestly.
Yeah, I just, um.
Like, the show used to be simple, you know?
I just feel sorry for her.
I know.
And so if she doesn't...
But I don't...
Like the Bachelorette doesn't need to come out
and I guess at this point
It's kind of irrelevant
Even though she's like flirting with Doug in the comments.
Right.
But so no Bachelorette, no dancing with the stars
If she's not back on Slamu like
Where does her life go from here?
Though I do think she's a very wealthy woman.
I think her life goes up like
I don't know if she's in a place where she would turn down any opportunities
because it's so addicting right, the money, the fame, the attention.
She is like the big dog in the group.
Like it's, I get it.
And she's posting a lot about her healing journey.
And like a person who is like genuinely interested in healing would say no.
Yeah, that's true.
She might be better off if she doesn't do it.
She could maybe come back in two years.
But like I really think this has not been like a good.
Fame has not been good for her.
And like it's okay to say no to stuff.
Like it really is.
People like don't say no to stuff.
Yeah.
That's true.
And I think that like she really.
really just needs to focus on like herself and her family.
When they stopped filming and the girls called it off,
it was because they said there was a lot more that they had learned
that like they didn't want to film anymore.
And we were sort of waiting for that shoe to drop.
The girls are so wishy-washy.
They said that and then on call her daddy,
Jesse was like rioting for Taylor.
Well, no.
Like they don't know what they think.
Jesse didn't say that, but it was like Miranda.
Oh yeah.
Layla.
Chase.
Yeah.
So that never happened.
And when we thought there was more, I was like, okay, well, she can't film.
If this just keeps getting worse, like, no, no, like, we're done with this person.
But if she's been sort of, like, vindicated and there's nothing else.
It's just so heavy.
Like, she brings a heaviness that I'm actually just not really interested in watching on reality TV.
Like, the show in the beginning was so silly and fun, and it was cool to see the life of these influencers and the brand deals.
And, like, the drama was good.
You kissed whatever.
Like now, like, it's not fun anymore.
Yeah.
Yeah, so we'll see.
But I wonder what you know.
I'm excited for that Hulu event.
Yeah.
I wonder if they have like any new shows.
Maybe we'll get a Love Thy Nader season two.
I wonder if Dynators are going to be there because like they're in the Arctic.
I think they are.
No, they're back.
They're back.
Yeah.
Okay, good.
I wonder what they learned and what they contributed to science.
Hopefully it was worth it.
Mm-hmm.
But yeah, I wonder if Hulu has any new shows.
We'll find out.
Yeah.
I love, I love the Hulu.
get real. It's a fun time of year.
Yeah, we'll find out tomorrow, I guess.
Yeah. Are you ready for our next story?
Three? Number three.
Yes. Kendall Jenner and Jacob Allorty have been dating for months apparently, thanks to Kylie.
So Kendall and Jacob sparked dating rumors when they were spotted making out and all over each other at Coachella.
But apparently they've been dating for two months, according to a daily mail report, which was published on Tuesday.
A source told the outlet that Kylie was actually the one who played match.
for her and Jacob.
Quote, Kylie was around Jacob a lot during Timothy's award season marathon because Jacob
was nominated for Frankenstein.
Timothy was nominated for Martin Supreme.
Kylie liked him and thought he would be good for Kenny.
So she was like, girl, get on it.
Date this guy already.
Okay, cute.
Even though I'm like not inspired by this relationship, I just think like they actually are
twins.
Like from the back.
No, their faces.
Not even from the back, from the front.
Everything.
like their height, their hair color, their eyes, like their bodies, like they're both like
tall and skinny.
Like I'm not inspired by this choice.
But I do feel like, maybe I'm wrong, but I would feel like Timothy and Jacob Allory
wouldn't like each other.
Don't you feel they probably go out for the same roles and like are competitive with
one another?
Maybe and maybe Jacob is like that and petty, but I don't think that Timothy is.
I think Timothy like believes and to the point that he knows that he's on such another level.
I don't think he is jealous.
I don't think he competes.
I don't think he looks at other people like that.
I think he's like so self-assured and confident.
Jacob might act that way, but I do think.
I just, I feel like they both position themselves as like the actor of their generation, you know, the Brad Pitt.
But like there's Brad and George and Matt and Ben.
Like I think there's room for all of them.
And I think that Timothy firmly believes that.
I think that Jacob has to tell himself.
every morning. In the mirror.
When he does his affirmation.
Yeah, like Timothy Chalibay's not better than me.
Timothy Jalabay is not better than me.
There's room for me and Timothy.
There's room for me and Timothy.
Well, obviously, like, looking forward to next award season,
I need them to continue dating just until then
so we can get, like, the four of them at the Golden Globes and things like that.
And even though, like, it's on the most interesting pairing, like,
what would be interesting to me is, like, if this is a serious relationship.
I'm kind of, like, rooting for that, you know, for Kenny,
Like what if this is her big one?
Well, Jacob Allorty is like a serial monogamist.
Yeah, so is she kind of.
She has like, yeah.
She likes boyfriends.
Yeah.
And so he's not like, I mean, maybe he's a philanderer on the side.
But like as far as we know, he gets into very long-term relationships.
Even Olivia Jade was like three years.
Yeah.
So I think that if they want to get serious, my ears are perked up for that.
Yeah.
It's just like it doesn't bode well, at least for me.
Because it just feels like the same, like young Hollywood Circle Jerk,
Austin Butler, Kaya Gerber, like the same four people, all just swapping partners every year.
Yeah, but if one of them wanted to get engaged, married, and or have a child, I'm all ears.
Oh, of course, of course, if they want to take to the next love.
Even that goes for Austin Butler, Olivia Jane.
Where in the world is Austin Butler?
Around here, there, everywhere.
Did he ever make another movie after Elvis?
Yes, no, Claudie. He's in like a lot of stuff that just, we don't see.
Dune. Dune.
Oh, so he knows Timothy then.
I'm telling you, the young Hollywood Circle Jerk continues.
He was in the Carrie Diaries.
He was in Eddington.
I want to talk about the Carrie Diaries.
Thank you so much for bringing that up.
I've been actually, like, waiting for the right time.
The Carrie Diaries was a two-season prequel to Sex in the City on CW.
It starred Anna Sophia Rob as a young Carrie Bradshaw.
and Awesome Butler played
like the cool boy at school
who liked Carrie
despite her curly hair.
It was literally the best show.
You had to sort of suspend the connection
to sex and the city.
Because it was not Carrie at all
but every time they felt like they were
sort of distancing themselves too much from sex in the city
they would make her go to New York and be like
I love Manhattan and then she would go back to Connecticut.
Like yeah, it was such a good show.
Justice for that motherfucking show.
You know I went to college with Anna Sophia Robb
She was at NYU the same time as me.
And were you friends?
No, there were a couple of like celebrities at NYU.
The Cole and Dylan Spouse twins.
They were everywhere always bopping around.
They were like always at the library and stuff.
And then Anna Sophia Robb, of course.
And I believe at the same time Emma Stone started grad school there, but I never saw her at
the library or anything.
That was a cool part.
Like being at NYU was genuinely one of the worst experiences of my whole life.
But the proximity to like lots of celebrities was an underreational.
part of it. And you know, everyone at NYU was like so
alt, right? Like blue hair to energy.
Like they hated celebrities. Meanwhile,
I was like spending my entire time
there like hunting down the famous people who were
my fellow students. And you like didn't make one friend
of a celebrity.
Oh, of a celebrity? No, but I made one friend.
Period. One friend. Sorry, I wasn't like
you didn't make one celebrity friend.
Um, I mean to find celebrity.
Because I was friends.
I was friends with myself.
Sprouse.
You know, I didn't make any like long term.
She went to NYU.
Oh, was she there at the same time?
I don't think so.
I know, because Riverdale was after I graduated, so I wouldn't have known.
Oh, no, you wouldn't have known.
No, you wouldn't have known.
You know, I'm sure there are people there like me who weren't famous at the time.
Who were famous now.
Like Lady Gaga.
But I'm talking about people who were pre-established celebrities who then, like, decided to go to college.
Yes.
Oh, by the way, to answer your question,
St. Butler, according to IMDB, has eight projects coming up.
and one of them is the American Psycho remake, which he is starring in,
and also a Lance Armstrong movie.
I guess he's playing Lance.
I love that.
Yeah, so he's got eight things.
So I think Miami Vice.
You know, I met Lance Armstrong?
No, I didn't know that.
Yeah, I kind of have a crazy story, but I don't think I could say it.
Okay, don't say it.
See if we care.
Okay, I'll say it.
See if we care.
You know, he's a nice guy.
He'd like freaky bum.
you know so and so which one is it both do you want to tell us please tell us no no i i don't want to
i don't want to okay are you sure yeah okay nice guy nice guy our next story uh devil wears proud a little
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Our next story, Devil Wears Product,
cameos that got cut.
So now that people have seen the movie,
cameos that did and did not make it,
are being shared.
So first, Sidney was meant to be in the movie.
She was being, like, dressed by,
she was playing herself dressed by, like,
Emily Bunn's character,
and they wound up cutting it out of the movie.
They said it was, like, too clunky
and hard to cut out, but that they did.
Oh, interesting.
Also, this is weird.
Someone, an actor named Conrad Rick Amora, he's from How to Get Away with Murder,
he was meant to play Andy's roommate.
And he, his cameo got cut.
But like, why would, it got cut because why would Andy have a roommate?
Oh no, I'm scared.
Like, I'm scared.
I told you guys, I am scared.
Like, I, this sequel, like, is just important.
And some of the things I'm seeing are, like, promising and some of the things I'm seeing
are not.
Also, justice for Hannah-Berner, don't you find?
Like, it was literally, like,
They're like, pages in the movie.
Everyone's been talking about page in the movie.
And it's like Paige and Hannah are actually in the movie.
Oh, why did everyone say just page?
Because Paige was spotted on set.
Hannah wasn't in the picture.
So it just was like, oh, just Paige.
She's like the fashion girl.
So like she'll be in the movie.
But it was both of them.
That's funny.
That's crazy that they're in the movie.
And actually Anna Wintour is not in the movie.
Good.
I think she's in like a gag take and probably will be like a bonus feature or whatever.
On the DVD?
Yeah, because she went to the set.
one day and apparently she saw the flowers and she said Dior would never have those flowers and they changed the flowers. They changed the flowers. They were like too much volume and like too pink. She was like they would only have white flowers. So I saw like one scene of the movie. It's like Andy gets an assistant. And I'm just scared. Like I'm just scared. But it's really concerning that they would have her having a roommate. Yeah. Well, we're so I know like we pick up and Andy gets a job at runway which is so
like unrealistic.
I like my premise to the movie so much better.
I know everyone's tired of hearing me say,
but mine was better that she became like a huge features writer
for like New York magazine.
And she got tasked with the job of profiling Miranda
and she just shadow her for like a month.
So much better.
Because Antia, that Auntie would ever,
unless we find Andy,
she's like down on her lock and like homeless,
she would never go back to runway.
She's like home half.
Right, right.
Because you would assume she was like a young girl
in her 20s movie came out when?
20 years ago.
20 years ago.
She's in her first.
40s. Right. So you would think
like and she was hustler. Like she was job,
job, job, job, job, job, job, job, job. And
that she finally left and she had a job at Boston Globe.
Like, it was supposed to be better for Andy.
Yeah. But also, I think she was very cause
driven. You know,
didn't she want to be writing. Being cause driven
doesn't pay the bill. She was writing about the janitorial
strike, remember? Yeah. And she wanted to
write about like happenings in the world. And so maybe like
runway has now a job for
that and that's her job and she's able to like she's the head of features yeah where maybe they're
cause-driven features it's giving how to lose a guy in 10 days when like andy anderson wants to write
about like the war in afghanistan not push-up bras yeah it's like girl you work at cosmo yeah but you know what
i think now they do yeah they do both now and i think maybe vogue does but like maybe it's just like a
sign of the time it's like now it's just like very cause-driven like less fluff fashion right so again
I think the movie comes out Friday.
I am going to see it.
And I just want to reiterate,
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm scared.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm not scared.
And so I guess Stanley Tucci...
I can't live in fear, you know?
So I guess Stanley Tucci still works at runway,
which is also like...
No, he would.
He would.
She'll pay me back.
Maybe she does pay him back.
I think that he would.
I think there are people that work that's like a job that you...
Yeah, yeah, you have forever.
Even if you get passed over for stuff.
Yeah, but like that you grow, like that's where you are.
Yeah, because there isn't like any, if you're in fashion, there's really nowhere to go, like after that.
Right.
Yeah, it's like the mecca.
Our fifth and final story, Reese Witherspoon, is in some hot water over her support for AI.
This is so weird.
People are just obsessed with being mad.
About AI.
About stuff in general, but yeah.
Definitely about AI.
last week Reese went viral for declaring that the AI revolution has begun.
Well, I'm glad she let us know.
Well, no, she went viral because not only she did she acknowledge that the revolution
has begun, like, thanks, we know.
She was encouraging women to, like, learn about AI so they don't get left behind.
Yeah, she said the jobs women hold are three times more likely to be automated by AI,
yet women are using AI at a rate 25% lower than men on average.
We don't want to be left behind.
The post attracted some backlash with people pointing out the problems associated with
data centers and intellectual property,
using whether or spino of being paid by AI companies to promote generative tools.
So yeah, the way she posted just about like AI awareness, it was giving like paid by AI to make
you aware of AI.
But it was actually not paid at all.
She just sort of wanted to send it on.
I wasn't actually not giving the vibe, getting the vibe at all that it was paid or like a
backhand endorsement of AI.
I actually understood what she was saying.
And it's like, yeah, we can all be like writing think pieces on AI, but it's coming.
So you can either get on board or lose your job and like I have no expertise.
I actually thought it was like a helpful warning to women.
And you know, that's all she does is like women, women, women.
No, it was completely out of nowhere.
Well, no, she's a huge business owner.
And like AI's a huge topic of conversation in Hollywood too.
Yeah, but it's a hot button issue.
So to wait in when like no, and I'm not saying that she shouldn't wait in.
And by the way, you know, I don't really care what she said or, like I genuinely don't care.
I'm just saying like how it might have looked to people who like to care.
Like she weighs into this topic out of nowhere and seems to be like supporting automation when like her industry is really against it.
I mean, it's just happening.
We know that.
We know that.
Yeah.
Just like that she's getting it all in on AI and like letting us know.
I feel like people probably thought of it as a betrayal.
Okay, fine.
So be it.
I don't care.
And yeah, you guys can fight it all you want.
It is coming.
So like let's keep talking about how much we hate it.
or let's like, you know, work together.
Let's make a better stir fry, you know?
Correct.
Now, there were also conspiracy theories
because, you know, her company got acquired
by a company that has a stake
in a large controlling AI company.
It's like AI, everyone in business
has some sort of vested interest in AI.
So I'm not down to theorize here.
Like, I don't think she's like that.
I actually think like she thought she was being helpful
for women.
And I think she thought she was just like posting
like something motivational for women.
Like as you do, like just like mindless women
jargon that people like,
online.
Women stuff.
Did you know 25% of women are not?
You know, like I don't think she just thought she was creating content for women and didn't
realize she like stepped in on a mind.
Big.
And then she released like another Instagram story being like, oh, had no idea.
Everyone was going to be so perturbed.
To be clear, no one's paying me to talk about this.
I'm just a curious human.
My kids are learning about AI tools.
I know a lot of founders who are vibe coding and I hear about people using AI in every
sector of business.
but I want to acknowledge people's concerns.
They're valid.
I'm aware of this impact.
This could have on jobs across so many industries.
I understand environmental concerns.
I care deeply about local communities.
Well, that's good.
I thought she didn't care about local communities.
And when I read her initial statement, I said,
oh, this is a person who not only doesn't care about local communities,
but hates local communities.
She cleared that up.
Me too.
I feel good.
And I have concerns about impending AGI.
What the fuck's that?
Athletic Greens?
Age 1?
Maybe it said AG1.
I'm cracking up.
I don't believe computers should replace humanity.
That's good.
Oh, I do.
I think I actually do.
For a second, I thought she wanted me to become a computer.
A robot.
Yeah.
I'm glad.
Okay, clear that up.
I actually really appreciate her cleaning that up.
And I'm planning on learning as much as possible so that I'm educated about this technological
revolution.
This is so stupid.
Like, seriously.
I just, like, people are so intent on, like, misunderstanding other people, especially
celebrities. And so having to even release a statement as moronic as I support my local
communities, like, I just wish she didn't because like you're indulging behavior of people
who like are forcing backlash and like just really intent on misunderstanding. So like,
while this is funny, like I wish she wouldn't have even responded. But I feel like maybe
she doesn't support like distant communities. Oh, maybe.
Supports communities at our local. What about foreign communities? Oh, well, that's not very
inclusive of her. What about foreign communities? Like this is just words. Do you know what I mean?
a part of her local community, so she doesn't support me.
She definitely doesn't. Well, it's because redheads.
We're obviously competitors.
Competitive, yeah, of course. You're competitive in nature.
I like to think of myself as a Timothy.
There's space for all of us.
Oh, speaking of, thank you. Did you see Charlize Theron was talking about Timothy's
ballet thing girl, like you're four months late?
Oh, God. I did see.
And she was really upset and she was like, and you know how to I feel good about the fact
that AI is going to take your job, but never the job of a performer on a stage.
Yeah, I saw that.
She was genuinely insuperable.
And she really said, I hope I see him.
Like, it's on site.
It's on.
Genuinely, like that 30 second clip is just like why people in Hollywood can be so unlikable.
Like, this is not a real problem.
No, it's not a real problem.
It's really not.
And it's like we all hate AI, right, until it comes for Timothy Shalemarme's job.
Yeah, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
But he's not filming.
And that's us.
I think we're done filming.
Yeah, right?
Because we have no problem sitting with the secret lives of Mormon wives in her dress.
But she's not filmed.
I'm sorry, like that will forever be.
The lamest thing on planet Earth.
I love him for that.
I do too.
Step by step.
That vocal stem, as the children say, is going to rehabilitate his reputation.
Yeah. Well, the place looks beautiful. It always does. Thank you.
It always does. Should that be our new outro? Because I can't, I have to stop saying like
Yes. Spotify. Okay, so it'll go like this. It'll take me a while. But thank you so much for
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