The Toast - Happily Ever Aftra: Monday, July 17th, 2023

Episode Date: July 17, 2023

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Good morning, Millennials! Welcome back to The Toast. Happy Monday. Hope everybody had an amazing weekend. A weekend filled with family, friends, laughter, and joy. And speaking of a family, a friend, a laughter, and a joy, it's Jackie O. Hi, turd and loose screw. Yes, I had a weekend full of the big four because my house was the location for strice fest 2023 now at a glance now that it's

behind you give us i know we were all keeping up on your stories with you know how the bros were co-mingling coexisting but you know after four days together tell us it was a beautiful weekend and i would say the theme of the weekend if I could only use one word to describe it, was harmony. Wow. It was really beautiful. Of course, they started out ice cold. Not even acknowledging each other. Just like completely on parallel tracks.

And over the days, the ice between the Streis Brethren thawed. And it was beautiful to behold. By the time they left last night, itne. And it was beautiful to behold. By the time they left last night, it was just like weapons down, detente. I mean, they weren't being like those cavaliers that you see on reels that are like spooning each other. They weren't doing that. I'm not going to lie. They'll never, and they'll never be that.

No, but you could tell that they were comfortable with the other's presence. And I feel like someone who contributed a lot to them mending fences was Harry. Because Harry really brought Fa into the fold. Like, Harry is obsessed with Theo. He calls him Fa. And now we all call him Fa. Like, when I say, say Theo, he does say, like, Fi. But now we all call him Fa, that, like, Theo's name is just Fa.

Moving forward, he will be heretofore known to as Fa. Yeah so Harry is obsessed with Fa. Like Fa this, Fa that. Like coming down the hallway Fa, Fa. I'm obsessed. Theo like doesn't give a shit. And Bruno's had to really look inside himself to accept these facts you know. Yeah. I think it made him. Jackie he said to look inside himself to accept these facts, you know? And I think it made him. Jackie, he said to look inside himself to accept these facts. These facts. And I think it made him realize how he's been a little selfish, you know?

Yeah. And it's like Harry, Bruno loves Harry. Harry loves Fah. Fah loves who? I don't know. No, it's literally that movie and like with Julia Roberts and it's likeah loves who? I don't know. No it's literally the movie that movie and like with Julia Roberts and it's like and who's chasing you? Nobody. No I mean I'm always chasing her. What movie is that? Like My Best Friend's Wedding or whatever. Maybe. I don't

think I've seen the whole thing. Me neither but I know that scene where it's like she's chasing a guy who's chasing another girl and she's calling her friend she's like I'm chasing him and she's like and who's chasing you? And it was honestly such a slay. It's like, nobody. Go home, wench. You're desperate. Technically, in the three that I'm describing. You are chasing Bruno.

I was chasing Bruno. But Bruno's always so good to his mommy. But anyways, it really was lovely. Fa was a pleasure to have. The house was jumping all weekend. Obviously. Jump, jump. He doesn't jump a lot. but I think it was a good energy

for him to be surrounded by a lot of positivity and fun. He came home, you know, like lighter than air. I cannot thank you enough for watching my boy. Like, you know how, I mean, I know you know

the importance of having a safe space to leave your son. Of course. And so just to know he was completely loved and taken care of. And it's really something I never have to worry about

because I'm always just leaving Theo at my in-laws and I never even look back. Like, I know Theo's and taken care of. And it's really something I never have to worry about because I'm always just leaving Theo at my in-laws and I never even look back. Like I know Theo's so taken care of, but they were otherwise occupied this weekend. I was kind of in a pickle and I felt bad. I'm like, you know, you're literally like a hundred years pregnant. You have a one and a half year old. You have a dog. I'm like, is this kind of like an imposition?

But I felt good about it. I thought, you know, maybe it might be, but it really wasn't. It was lovely. Honestly, I feel like I should have another dog. I feel like that's what Harry needs. But Brew, like, he said this was temporary. He said I was okay with it because I knew there was an end. No, by the way, Bruno would run away from home if it was a permanent solution.

A few times in Florida, I thought about getting a second dog because I thought actually that's what Brew would want, like, wanted. I thought if it was a permanent solution a few times in Florida I thought about getting a second dog because I thought actually that's what Brew would want like wanted I thought maybe he was a little lonely but then I realized like my crazy jealous boy could never share mommy no and I think that's why Bruno and I really kind of get along and see one another we're both like incredibly self-centered um selfish, borderline, like attention-seeking people. Yeah. But just like his auntie Koya, Bruno is so true, so loyal, so loving, so wonderful, so sweet. Steadfast.

Like he has all these amazing qualities and his Achilles heel, he's just jealous. Like if it's just the one thing I can allow it none of us are perfect human beings yeah it's so true well I am back in the city and I drove home from the Hamptons yesterday and Ben and I actually listened to Friday's episode of the toast in the car and let me just say like Ben like really never sits down and listens to the toast I don't want to get into it it's so hurtful um when I tell you this man was cackling. And I also never really listen to our episodes. Like sometimes I'll watch them, but like really never.

I like to just leave it on the mic and move on to the next day. What a delight we are. Oh my God. I was cackling at the Blaze Pizza man. I was cackling at us trying to make the writer strike about us. Hopefully, you know, hopefully getting Smart List canceled and off the airaves. Like, we are truly talented. That's so exciting. I should listen to the episode because by now I have no idea what was said. Like, it's been so long. It would be like listening to two other girls. Yeah, no, that's the thing. Like, I can never listen to

the episode that we record that day. I'm like, I just lived it. Like, I know what's coming next out of my mouth. But when you don't know what I'm going to say, I guess that's what other people experience when they listen to this podcast. Oh my God, we are, it's a journey. Who knows what the fuck is going to come out of our mouth? Yeah, that's so, that's so fun. Who was Ben laughing more at, like you or me? Honestly, you.

Really? Yeah, maybe it's because he's like used to my humor. I thought that was like a delusional question to ask. No, no, no. Like honestly, you. I forget what it was that you said, but he was like, you know something's funny when, like, somebody repeats it, like, 10 seconds later? Yeah. They, like, laugh and then they're like, oh, smart list is canceled party or whatever.

That's not what he laughed at. You said that. I said that. But I couldn't remember what it was. But he was like, really? And then when it was over, he was like, should we listen to another one? But then we were getting close to the city and I had some phone calls to make. So I was like, no.

That is hysterical. I shall do that one time and then when people whenever I do like meet and greets or I meet toasters in the wild they're like oh my god I'm always listening to you on like my road trips it made the car ride go by so fast I'm like discovering podcasts for the first time and it's your own no but it really did like the it was such a long ride and it was Sunday so there was so much traffic oh my god it breezed right by that's amazing so that's the good news from the weekend the bad news is that I think we have to accept defeat that we're not gonna beat smart list because we had our chance on Friday I sent Claudia a screenshot smart list was number one with their max tag mark episode which if you

watched their docuseries like that was that show tanked right it's a flop episode it's a flop episode smart list was number one we were number two and we never traded places and by the way I checked on Saturday night because I was with Hannah Berner and you know she's a podcast girly and I was telling her you know our current mission and she thought it was hilarious and I checked on Saturday night and we were still number two to uh to MIT boy whose name I cannot recall so we stood there for a while we we almost did it and I know a lot of people switched from Spotify to Apple and we can't you know tell you how much we appreciate that it's like I feel like so many of our listeners like join forces like we put our heads together and we were going up against like one of their

worst episodes and like we still couldn't hack it no I mean the only hope moving forward is that they don't release episodes because of the SAG strike. And I was talking to Josh Peck. Yeah, that was what everyone was commenting. What does that mean for Josh Peck? So I'm not entirely sure, but it does, it does apply.

Like there are certain things you cannot do. So I don't know if that means, I don't think Smart List will stop releasing episodes altogether, but they're definitely not going to be like exciting and like Hollywood juicy. The only thing that maybe I could say about the Max Tegmark episode, it was like maybe it actually, because it flopped, like more people were curious. It was a spectacle.

More people were curious to listen to it, to like hear what did so bad in Boston that night. Perhaps. Like we're talking about it. So true. We've got to're talking about it. So true. We've got to stop talking about it. Yeah. I feel like we're kind of making it buzzy.

No. This whole episode, this whole conversation is counterintuitive. Like we are hyping up the thing in which we are seeking to destroy. So true. But we're just such like positive forces. So true.

We're forces for good. We can't help it. We're good faith actors. Totally. I love a Monday show. We haven't had, you know, pop culture stories since Friday. And the Friday ones were thin at best. And you know what? I wouldn't even say we had pop culture stories on Friday. No, Jackie, we were still hysterical when I was listening to the podcast. Like, that's the thing about the past five. Like, it doesn't define us. They're irrelevant, first of all. Second of all, the stories today today are five I couldn't even tell you which one I'm most

excited to talk about yeah no and I think like this happens a lot um just in it's the line the nature of the work that we do like you talk a lot for so many weeks and like you definitely feel burnout like every couple of months and the summer is always like kind of a slow time for business and so I was maybe on the verge of a burnout but listening to this episode it wasn't even like one of our best episodes Jackie I'm reinvigorated I was like thinking all night last night like what funny jokes am I gonna make oh my god but what if you like have jinxed it now that you know like your greatness so true you know maybe we were just like so oblivious before right we didn't even know how great we were and now that we know like we're

gonna destroy it like everything we've built it We've jinxed it. Yeah. Well, let's not, like, be negative like that. I know that's, like, your thing these days, but let's not. You're so funny. Like, I say one negative comment and I'm negative these days. I said one positive thing last week and you're like, you're so positive these days. Oh, one thing about me, like, I'm going to exaggerate. Like, I am going to, like, the pendulum is going to swing. I'm not a consistent person. I'm gonna exaggerate like I am going to like the pendulum is gonna swing I'm not a consistent person I'm the biggest hypocrite like nothing I say ever lines up with what I said the day before that's why when people are like Claudia I can't believe you did this when you said

yesterday like have we met I'm literally the least consistent person none of my views are consistent like they all cross-reference they all like muck each other up like leave me alone yeah which serves you when you go to listen to an episode from four days ago because you have no idea what you said oh my god that's like somebody tagged me in this tiktok yesterday somebody posted like i guess like a few years ago i went on a rant about lululemon and now all i fucking wear is lululemon they're like claudia you said they were like too expensive okay and i like them now so what are you gonna do about it like because i like it did you not get the viral sound because Because I like it. Right. Like you cannot hold me. Okay now that person do one about reading.

Do one about Downton. Wait let me get my list out. Hold on. Do one about pickleball. Right. Like stop holding me to things I've said. Like I do not want to be held accountable. I don't know me. Like I do not. It depends on the mood that I'm in. Like I do not want to be held accountable. I don't know me. Like, I do not – it depends on the mood that I'm in. Like, I do not associate with different versions of myself. Like, I can only be truly held accountable for this very moment. You're constantly changing. Constantly growing and evolving. And if people can't – And isn't that what we – isn't that what we search for?

If people can't understand that, then that's on them. It's not a me problem, honestly. They can go be stagnant over there. Ooh, go be stagnant over there, bitch. Liking the same things forever. Couldn't be me. And worse, disliking the same things forever. Yeah, at least I'm open.

I'm slow, but I'm open. She's slow, but she's open. That's so me. Name of my next book. Slow but open. It's smut. Slow. It literally sounds like smut slow but open yeah are you reading

anything right now oh ben was cackling at us coming up with a smut book for sag after verse disney that's funny except did you see what fran dresser said about bob ire i did she called him repugnant gorgeous word i feel like she said what he said was repugnant. She did. She did. And she said it was very out of touch. She didn't mince words. And she also like it was obviously like an unprompted question. And the way she just kind of like she slayed that answer. Like Bob Iger will never recover. Bob Iger is quaking. But I just want to say it kind of reiterates the fact that this is the start of a smut book. Like that there was such high tension.

She's in the press calling him repugnant. Then they have to get into the room together and he's like, this is the woman who called me repugnant. She's like, this is the man that I find repugnant. And then they have to put their heads together and work together. And fuck. And somebody on our Instagram left a comment for what that – we couldn't come up with a really good name for the book

and they came up with the best one. I'm so sorry. I don't know your name. I will, you know, forever be indebted to you, but it's called Happily Ever After. It's so good. That is so funny. It's the perfect title. For today's episode. Oh, that too. Yeah, I mean, who knows? We haven't even cracked the fast five. I know. But I do really like that. Yeah because I like it. Okay well I feel like we could get into the stories because there's a lot to discuss. Yeah I'm down. And we're gonna recap the first three episodes of Summer I

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at the Wimbledon tennis match lots of stars studded the event I would say highlight Ari was there Ariana Grande was spotted at Wimbledon but without her wedding ring which is sparking marriage concerns from her fans also Brad Pitt was there Tom Hiddleston Andrew Garfield Jonathan Bailey it was very star-studded it was yeah no Wimbledon is so elevated like it's just all right like the U.S. Open is so you know like celeb filled and it's very highbrow but like the Wimbledon takes it up one one level like it's so like foreign and like you know I think it's also the royal element like there's a royal box the royal family is always in attendance in some way. And

this year George and Charlotte were there being so cute. Yeah but let's talk about Ariana Grande because one thing I'm gonna do is I'm gonna forget she's married. Like she married you know a civilian so that's just gonna happen when when that happens. She's not like super public which is usually a good sign. Um I'm so I don't know what to think in terms of her marriage I'd be lying if I said like I cared so much like I love Ari but like her marriage is like something I like literally forget yeah I that makes sense I just hope that she's okay you know but the thing is I now that I'm a married woman like I never ring. True. Like right now, I don't think it would fit. And if it did, it would be very painful.

But even when it does fit, like I just don't wear it all the time. However, if I was going to Wimbledon and I was a celebrity and people take my picture and then comment on if I'm still married or not, maybe I would throw it on. But then I would feel like I'm not just doing it so that people don't you know what I mean it could really go either way yeah but I do think um it's possible for like a married woman not to like always be wearing her ring but like I really wear it every day like I would say I would argue like most people do women for some reason men get a free pass I feel like men wear theirs every day well I think uh if Ben tried to take his off he would literally have to go to the fire department like it would not come off. I think that's like for

most men like it just doesn't come off. That's great but like for women you take it off because it's like bigger. So nice. Yeah and you can't risk it like Ben sleeps in his I don't. But it's like she's not wearing any rings like maybe she was just having a minimalist jewelry day. I can relate to that personally. No, that's possible. This is not a confirmation, but it's definitely, you know, worth discussing. Yeah, and I feel like I've seen some blind items. But I don't know if they're from Dumas or Enty because I follow them both on Instagram. I think they're Enty.

And what do they say? Just like not being a good husband right now. Trouble in Paradise vibes. Well, it's worth mentioning, you know, Ari's kind of been quiet because she's been working super hard on her role as Glinda the Good Witch in Wicked, the movie, which is supposed to come out in five years. The strike has obviously caused delays in that.

So I don't know if that means the movie will be even, you know, further delayed in terms of its release, which is just annoying. But so I'm glad she's, you know, getting some time off, going to Wimbledon, being fabulous, sitting with, it was clearly like a celebrity box because they were all, she was next to Jonathan Bailey and behind Tom Hiddleston. Like she was, you know, in a good spot.

She was with the peeps. Yeah. And she's not really like an out and about girly these days like she doesn't really like socialize go go go to events so it was kind of crazy to see her there she doesn't do trips to the cape right her social events calendar is just like not that booked yeah but it's like she's filming in London or the UK and they're not working right now because of the strike Wimbledon is happening. Why not Ari? No.

If I was like a celebrity who would get invited to like any sort of like cool event with you know special privileges. Like you bet your ass I'm going. Yeah. No. I totally agree. So I loved seeing her out about. She looked gorgeous. She's obviously keeping the blonde hair for Glinda.

Hoping that the strike will be over soon. So she just gets back into character. And I loved seeing her out. I don't know what it means for her marriage but like again I don't like care so much yeah I would agree with that and then also Kate Middleton was making headlines one for slaying yeah again slayed them once and she'll say them again she was she was teary-eyed um as she watched the final women's match did you see her crying oh no i didn't she had tears in her eyes it was a very emotional match i guess because both women like would like if they had won it would have been historic both have like really

compelling stories and then for the one who lost like it was even more sad because of how far they came. Well, that's the thing about sports. Like, they're low-key, like, always making me cry. Like, whenever I'm watching anything on ESPN, like, they always have some sad story, you know? Like, so I think Kate is just human. And it's nice to see her, you know, be one of us. For sure. And I feel like that's how people feel.

But, you know, it does probably break royal protocol. Like, you never saw Queenie crying. Oh, that's so true. Like, not even – yeah not even yeah you're right like not even at Diana's funeral I think the boys were not even crying like outright I'm sure they were but yeah or they go to like they go to memorials all the time yeah so she was obviously very overcome however I didn't think about the protocol I'm I wonder if there's like a loophole where it's like this isn't an official public appearance she's just like an attending like a loophole where it's like this isn't an official public appearance. She's just like an attending an event.

Like even though it's probably not done to cry in public as a royal. Like it's not like she was at an official royal engagement being emotional. The thing is anytime one of the royal family members breaks protocol and it's like a protocol that's dumb and like clearly archaic, I think it endears them to people. Because, you know, some could say, you know, I guess like a critique they have of the royal family and mostly Kate is like they're robotic, you know, like they're just like not human. And so to see someone, you know, feeling emotions that I think a lot of us have felt watching, you know, high stakes tennis, I think it really humanizes her. So if anything, I think it's good for the family family I think that that's how people feel but um I think this should just be a one-time

thing no I mean I don't I personally don't mind it but then then it begs the question like if you cry for one thing like then oh you didn't cry for this but you cried for that you think tennis is more sad than this you know it's actually true it's actually true it's a slippery slope it is well I guess Wimbledon is over because the guys thing is over and the women's thing is over so oh yeah it was a fabulous weekend they had their little like ball last night with the two winners I saw their picture and I didn't keep up but like I saw a bunch of stuff on TikTok Novak Djokovic who like wins every year um and I kind of just have beef with him like I can't explain why I just like I don't know I don't I don't like him like anytime I just feel like he's like I just I have beef with him I can't explain it I mean he lost so that was cool

oh I don't have beef with him and just like his face like bothers me oh the person who won Carlos Alcaraz yeah what was his story I didn't follow anything from the actual tennis super young you know super green it was like a really big deal like it was basically like the old guard versus the new guard it was in his speech when he was you know you have to make a speech in front of the person you just beat which is always awkward he was you know saying how worthy of a competitor Djokovic was, you know, when he's been watching Djokovic since he was born. And I don't think he meant to be shady, but like it definitely came across a little shady, like calling Djokovic like old.

Yeah. It's hard when you admire someone. And yeah, it's so awkward when you did watch them growing up. Like there's no kind way to say it. No, it's so awkward when like you beat your hero and it doesn't happen a lot but like what it does like I genuinely feel uncomfortable for the hero yeah but there's no kind way to say it yeah no it's true and I think um he was speaking in English which is not his first language so he wasn't being like super PC I don't think Djokovic you know I don't think he was

offended that's good I feel like when you're I don't know I feel like he can save his offense like for the court you know right right like words can hurt him no but ever since I started playing pickleball my um phone obviously knows that so I've been getting like a lot of tennis content on TikTok got it well that's good that TikTok kept you abreast yeah and kate's outfit the the the green the green the mint green sublime too much for this world sublime sublime i wonder where william was hopefully getting hair transplant doing willie tings i wouldn't want him to get a hair transplant it's too late now but like they should have been more proactive you think so i don't think so i do

i don't think so i feel like i also feel like it's against protocol like if the queen had wanted to have a facelift, could she? That's an amazing question. I want to say no because it seems like a cosmetic procedure, any cosmetic procedure has potential risks when you're going under anesthesia. I don't know if you go under anesthesia for hair transplant. I actually think you just get like a Valium or something. You know, I don't think you do, but I'm just saying, I feel like there's something about changing your appearance as a senior royal. No, that's interesting. Okay, but a hair transplant

is different. You can't even wear nail polish. A hair transplant is different than a facelift. I think if Queenie wants to get a facelift, like, there might have been some, you know, red tape only because it is, like, a risk at a certain age or any age to go under anesthetic. Like, it's just, you never know. So for that reason I could see there you know being protocol issues. But I don't know. I think a hair transplant might have been safe. Like you think they can get Botox? So yes. I think that at this point like Kate could get Botox as long as like she's not doing anything drastic. Radical. Looking to the public. I feel like there's something about like changing it.

Like what if she wanted to dye her hair or any of the kids? No, that's what I'm saying. He couldn't do it now because it's so obvious. Like, but if he had started to lose hair and like they could see what happened with Charles, like maybe they could have been more proactive and he'd have a full head of hair and it wouldn't, nobody would have ever thought, you know? Charles has a nice head of hair though. I don't know.

I'm just saying, like, you look at your ancestry. Like, hair is genetic. Got it. I don't know. It doesn't bother me so much. Like, why can't he be bald? Like, he can. He totally, totally can.

And maybe it's disarming to have, like, a king who's not so perfectly handsome. Like, maybe. Because, you know, all human beings are flawed, and it's a way of connecting with the common man. Yeah. I don't know when you look back on photos

of young William he was so handsome with like his blonde like thick luscious hair. And I don't know I just think maybe I need AI to put together a photo for me

of what Prince William would look like right now if he had a full head of hair. And then I'll make my decision. I just feel like if he had a fake full head of hair like people would clown on him Jackie hair transplants have come such a long way I know so many people who have them you would never know if I told you some of the people that I know that you know that have hair transplants you would never know got it I just want to say for the record, I don't think that he should have hair transplants or needs them. I think he looks great and he's aging naturally. That's gorgeous.

Not everyone has to be a Kardashian. No, no, no. But I love those girls too. But it'd be nice if everybody was. No, I disagree. No, I'm totally kidding. I'm obviously kidding. Okay, great. I wonder, I'm totally kidding. I'm obviously kidding. Okay, great. I wonder if Kate could have extensions. Good question, but she's always had, like hair hasn't

been an issue for her. She's always had gorgeous locks, or so we thought. Okay, are you ready for our next story? Yeah. Kind of breaking the internet, Kylie Jenner and Jordan Woods reunited. Yeah. Kind of breaking the internet, Kylie Jenner and Jordan Woods reunited. They enjoyed dinner together at a sushi restaurant four years after the Tristan cheating scandal ruined their friendship and left the Kardashians fuming. The former best friends dined together at a sushi restaurant in LA on Saturday night. Daily Mail has photos of it. They were seen leaving the restaurant.

Looks like a very casual restaurant. The girlies look gorgeous. They're smiling. I think they drove together. Like, is the friendship back on? Well, I have to assume this is not the first time they're getting back together, you know, since the scandal. I'm sure they've had many conversations or, like, hangouts in private before officially going into, like, a public place. You're not going to have, like, your big reunion in public.

So, for me, this proved that these two have been in comunicado for a while. you're not gonna have like your big reunion in public so for me this proved that these two have been in communicato for a while I'm not sure how long I mean I'm happy I feel like if I were Jordan I would be like because Jordan really got the shit end of the stick in the whole thing like I think that the family did like everything they could in that moment to like keep Chloe's family intact because like she did get back together with him I think there was really no way they could have even tried again to be a family true Chloe and Christian if Jordan was still in the picture so it's like Jordan had to kind of take the the the heat um and I think Kylie was also like a victim in this too because it was

like completely out of her control she had to side with her sister of course because like Jordan was wrong. But like that was like her best best friend. So I don't know this was like such a complicated mess. This was just reminding me of like that time like when we were in Utah and this whole thing happened and she went on Red Table talking me to do an emergency toast. Like it was so crazy. It was so crazy. I do feel like enough time has passed that like they could move forward from the incident

itself but I feel like for them the bigger fallout is the fact that they haven't been friends for so long like that's kind of hard to come back from I agree that if they're spotted out together I feel like they called the paparazzi to get pictures of them together because it's not like they're at Nobu Malibu they're it looks like they're in like an outdoor mall. Yeah. Like the sushi restaurant's on the second floor. Yeah. I also feel like based on what we're seeing this season on the Kardashians.

Like the idea of Khloe and Tristan getting back together is like so not ever going to happen. And I think for a while it was like will they? Won't they? And now it's like settled. Like these two people are not going to be together ever. So it's like a safer environment for Jordan to come back into yes I I don't feel like it's like Tristan was the whole issue like oh if Jordan's around then Tristan and Jordan are like you know but it's like so no no but it's so awkward it's so awkward but I also think that how the way things were handled like in the immediate

aftermath also weren't great on Jordan's end I feel like she probably didn't know what to do or where to turn but one like I actually had just watched this episode recently which is why I'm gonna remember it pretty well but she like wasn't being entirely honest right after it happened about like what happened Chloe I think it was ultimately Tristan who like came clean about everything and then before even talking to Chloe or ever talking to Chloe she went on Red Table Talk and just like made it bigger and had this public conversation that like should have at least been private first so I think yeah that that also upset the girls because you really can you can kiss someone to make a mistake and you're young yeah

of course and you're out and you're drunk and things happen. No, and like now in hindsight, it's so not a big deal. But that's what time does. Like time heals. But like back then it was so crazy. And it's just really not that crazy. And, you know, like I think, you know, in this whole situation, we looked at Jordan as like the person, the villain. Like she did something wrong.

And like she did for sure. But like now in hindsight, hindsight like she was so young Tristan's so much older than her like she was drunk like it's like it's you really can just chalk it up to like making a mistake when you're really young you know yeah no I feel like people understood that and we all knew like this is Tristan's fault the difference is is that like regardless of how badly Tristan fucks up like he's True's dad and he's going to come around and he has to come around like if your friend betrays you like you don't ever have to see them again and that's why after a year like of groveling and apologizing and being around like if Jordan had been around for a whole year it would have been different too but like she they just went their separate ways. Yeah.

I do also, I feel like a lot of people feel this way. Because like Jordyn obviously like left the Kardashian universe. But she still was like a public figure, influencer. And she seems so happy. She's in like a really healthy relationship that's been like going on for many, many years. She's like a successful business person. So it's nice to see that like, you know know maybe she did need to kind of fly on her own for a bit like she was always just like Kylie's sidekick and nothing really nothing more than that and so in you know life's most challenging times like you really rise like a phoenix so I

think it was actually you know all in all everything that happens for a reason yeah I would agree with that it's a really hard lesson to learn and it's like a hard way to get a positive outcome. But I would agree that her standing is great. On her own. Yeah. I don't know how you like actually reconnect a friendship with someone when you've literally stopped talking to them for five years. Like even the closest of people.

How awkward. I don't know either. When you're not related to them. I know. On the one hand, that's how I feel. Like how could you even forgive like the last five years not even just like what happened in the aftermath that like you didn't want to be my friend for five years but I also we were just talking about this feeling how you could be like so mad at someone but and then you're like with

them and you remember why you love them and you have like the best time together and these two were like sisters in terms of how well they got along and for how long and all that anger just sort of lifts oh a hundred percent but then there's just the you know the years that have gone by two people who were you know very young so what they're 25 now they were 21 or 20 like you changed so much so you're literally sitting down with a person who used to be your sister who used to live with you and they're so different they're literally a different person I don't think they're so I don't think they're different people than when they were friends I actually think those are like transformative years they are but like these girls are Hollywood girls they grow up fast I think Jordan is so

different now than the person she was like the person she was was like sidekick energy perhaps just probably yes maybe Jordan but I feel like Kylie's very similar she was already a mom maybe she's already Kylie Cosmetics like I feel like she's grown up more but the same girl yeah it's just awkward it is awkward but I'm rooting for these two Chloe posted like a bunch of her inspirational quotes last night about forgiveness and healing so she's fine okay good okay good yeah I love to check in on Khloe and her inspirational quotes. Yeah, she'll always tell you what she's feeling through an inspirational quote.

This is one of my favorite ones that Khloe ever posted. And I believe it was her Instagram bio for 10 years. I think we all know it. I crave a love so deep the ocean would be jealous. And that's our cringy queen, you know? Yeah. It is. It's giving Sheena Marie Shea like energy, you know, you know? Yeah. It is. It's giving Sheena Marie Shea, like, energy, you know, with the quotes.

It really is. But I'm happy, you know, everyone seems to be in a good place with each other now, you know, 10 years later. Harmony. Harmony. Another theme of today. Maybe they were inspired by Shrice Fest 2023. Perhaps. Are you ready for our next story?

Is it our third? Third. Cool. Yeah, I'm ready. Ben Platt cuts an interview short. Obsessed. Obsessed with this story. Ben Platt cuts an interview short over a Nepo baby question.

So Ben Platt did an interview with the Rolling Stone, which was published Friday. It was supposed to be and it was about his new show movie called Theater Camp. And it was cut short after the reporter asked him about a past article referring to him as a nepo baby. So we all remember the cover of New York Magazine, Nepo Baby. They had a bunch of like babies in cribs and celebrity heads on them with some of the biggest nepo babies in the industry. The reporter said, you were on the cover of New York Magazine's Nepo Baby issue.

I'm curious, what was your response to that? And what did you make of that whole discourse? and Epobabies in the industry. The reporter said, you were on the cover of New York Magazine's Epobaby issue. I'm curious, what was your response to that? And what did you make of that whole discourse? He responded, we're going to skip right over that if we can. After the reporter confirmed that Ben had no comment, the actor's publicist chimed in to request the interview stick to his questions about his client's film, Theater Camp.

Then the interview abruptly ended about halfway through the predetermined 45- time slot according to the Rolling Stone. Okay this is so fucking losery of Ben Platt like I literally have never had less respect for an answer in my life. First of all because now we're all talking about this whereas like if he had just answered the question I doubt it would have even gotten picked up if he had just said oh I thought it was funny or whatever like this he made it a bigger moment which is just bad publicity second of all like oh my god it's not that serious like I think and the proven track record when we had that whole Nepo baby conversation was like the people who came out on top were like the people who laughed at it Gwyneth Paltrow Haley Baldwin

like the people who you know were in on the joke but to take yourself so seriously and like Ben Platt is kind of like the number one example of Nepo baby like his dad literally produced the Dear Evan Hansen movie like it's it's and that doesn't take away he is what are we always saying he's literally one of the most talented people in Hollywood right now like he's such a star it does not take away but like my god your dad is literally a movie producer like you couldn't have a bigger leg up if you fucking tried, bitch. So to not only, like, deny it, but to, like, avoid talking about it, honestly, now it makes me question your talent. Like, for real.

Like, what are you hiding? Oh, wow. No, this is so loser-y. I'm such a big Ben Platt fan. Like, I couldn't have been more disappointed in this answer if he fucking tried. Oh, yeah. The answer is disappointing. I'm a smaller Ben Platt fan than you.

And I actually. I feel a couple different ways about this. One. I agree. If he just answered the question. Said anything. It wouldn't have gotten picked up. It's just like buried in a random interview with Ben Platt.

Like who really gives a shit. Who cares. I think a part of him is so entitled. That he thought that when he said. Like we're not talking about that in this interview. That he thinks everyone's going to respect that. And that we would never have heard about it. Like.

Published it. That the journalist would have felt like weird that they asked the question they would have just like taken it from the record and then continued on with the interview but I feel like he hasn't gotten a lot of pushback in his career on anything because you know he is very talented and he's an epibaby and he's also very like industry like he gets invited to the Met Gala and it's like why? You know? No, it's so true. And I think part of being like a really big Ben Platt fan is knowing and like having to

just like live with the fact that, you know, it's not confirmed or anything. But like there aren't like amazing stories from fans interacting with Ben Platt. Like I've seen many videos where he denies people taking pictures. Like one of his things, he doesn't take pictures with people. seen many videos where he denies people taking pictures like he like one of his things he doesn't take pictures with people he's definitely like not you know like really grounded and like you know does it for the fans you know he's kind of one of those like artsy fartsy like kind of snobby I do it for the art you know so you just have to be a Ben Platt fan and like know that and like just be okay with it like it's just kind of like a fact of life um and just to be confronted with

that entitlement and like we can't look away now you know we thus far we've all been just like kind of ignoring what we what we know about Ben Platt yeah but I will say before like if when I think about Ben Platt as a netball baby obviously he has had a lot of doors open for him on the back end that helped his career but he is genuinely so talented like even just he wrote Evanvin Hanson Dear Evan Hanson he starred in it before it was ever a terrible movie that his dad produced like wait he wrote the play yeah it's like his play no I think they wrote it for him I'm like 90% sure who wrote it for him um I know it's Pasek and Paul they did the music yeah who wrote Dear Evan Hansen? Steven Levinson. Yes, I knew that. Oh, I thought he like created it.

No, he literally wrote it for Ben Platt. That changes things. Yeah, but he's undeniably. He is undeniably extremely extraordinarily talented. And none of this, you know, it doesn't take away from that. But it is a fact. And so to just ignore it, like what are you doing? Okay okay I really thought that he like was responsible for Dear Evan Hansen I mean he was like the ideation like it's different to be a talented actor I mean his

singing is really what sets him apart yeah because I feel like when it comes to actor nepo babies like a lot of people could act and it's like really it's just about opportunity which nepo babies have that other people who can also act don't have yes so I was just trying to give him credit as being like a very talented nepo baby and he is but like this is really like this is he's having a bad day and he's also clearly a diva so it's like yes I think you know things are flying in his apartment like things are being no 100% and like now his character I think would be like called into question and anytime anybody this is what happens like with the cycle of the internet anytime anybody has had like a negative interaction with Ben Platt like it will now go viral again now it's the reckoning Ben Platt is over party right like that's just what so you

really like once your character gets called into question everybody gives their opinion and everybody gives their experience with you. And I don't think he has an overwhelming amount of like I met Ben Platt and it changed my life moment. You know. Yeah. So this was a huge mistake. You're right. He probably like is not the type of person you could like his publicist would be like listen I think it would actually just be a better tactic if we just like announced like if we just directly addressed it head on moving on. No one will notice. But now and now we've said it. Now we're all talking about it.

Yeah. I don't know how what he's going to do to navigate out of it like a statement. Hope it dies down. So awkward. I think he's going to say something because I think he's probably really struggling with all this backlash. He's never really had backlash before. And you want to know why? I think he's one of the people,

like we know, you know, Dakota Johnson's parents. Like he's kind of one of those nebo babies who like flew under the radar for a really long time. Like people were like, oh my God, he's so talented. Can't believe he was discovered.

And like he was kind of one of those people because his dad isn't like, you know, a blockbuster movie star. He's more behind the scenes, which is just as powerful, but not as recognizable. So he really got away with like people not knowing he was a nepo baby for like, unless you're like a really big Ben Platt fan, like, you know, but most of the time, like I don't think people really knew.

And that article kind of blew it open for him. Like it was kind of this like, you know, secret ish, but now it's not because of the article and the cover. I think he was one of the babies on the cover one of the babies on the cover yeah so because he really like that article really kind of blew up it was like an expose it blew up his spot yeah so of all the people who were named to that article like he kind of you know it was the biggest expose on him in my opinion yeah I think he's gonna put out a statement and be like I was wanting to focus on my film theater camp. We've worked really hard on this project and I didn't want it for the cast and the crew and the lighting director.

Yeah, they're always blaming it on the cast and the crew. And the lighting and craft services. Everyone worked really hard on this project and I didn't want anything to take away from it. I'm like, sorry if that came off, you know know in any other way other than trying to support my movie. No and to be honest if that's what he does like that's such like low-hanging fruit. I will be so disappointed. I actually don't think he will respond. I think the statement will say everyone worked really.

I think there will be a quote like everyone worked really hard on this movie. No it's entirely possible that you're right. And if he does release a statement he's 100% going gonna you know of course you got to throw the cast and crew under the bus um you wouldn't be a real star if you didn't um but I actually don't think he will respond I think he will what do you think he's gonna how is he gonna worm his way out like he's not he's never been the type of person who like releases statements or plays like the game he will just move on from this but I think everyone did work really hard on the movie no I know and what about

what about the cast and crew and I think that's what he was trying to say when he brutally rebuffed the journalist yeah for sure for sure but like so shady that they kept that in like I'm living for it but like I think a lot of publications who have like really good relationships with certain publicists like they would have cut that out. Yeah I wonder why they wanted to just bury him actually I guess it's because then the interview ended and it was like. Right why? We don't have enough content to end like to like publish this interview so let's just say what happened. No and like let's be real like an expose not an expose like an you know 90 minute interview or however long it was 45 minute interview with ben platt about like his movie coming out that nobody's heard of like

you know this is a business you know we're trying to get clicks yeah yeah and i also think his answer is so indicative of the entitlement that people, like the issue people have with Nepo babies, which is that entitlement. And like the way he responded was so dismissive. Yeah. It really, like it was the whole issue in a nut, you know? Yeah. It's very true.

He could have just been like, I thought it was really funny. I'm so grateful for all the opportunities that I've had. But I also know that I work really hard. And everybody on this movie worked really hard too. No, and the thing is, like a few months ago, we had this Nepo Baby boom. Like it was just Nepo Baby, Nepo Baby, Nepo Baby. And so many different Nepo Babies spoke out

and certain people got backlash and certain people were like applauded for how they responded. Like Alison Williams on Watch What Happens Live was really applauded for her answer. So there's literally a playbook now. Like if you want to just get away unscathed, follow the Gwyneth Paltrow.

Follow, you know, there are certain people who you could follow. The work was done for you. The work was literally done for you. You didn't do any interviews during the time when the nepo baby boom was happening. Now a few months later, literally the work has been done. So just choose an answer to copy and do it. Yeah.

It's lazy. It's lazy show business at this point I could see a world where Ben Platt doesn't think he's an epo baby me too because he believes he's so talented that that's just a coincidence that there and I believe I believe a world in which Ben Platt was born to you know a father who worked in a factory and he pursued music and he still got as famous like yes the thing is it really he's undeniably talented so now it's just like is he a shitty person that's what that his question is not his talent is not coming into question now his character is yeah like he still could have gotten the lead role as dear evan hansen with

no connections yep i i really believe that's what he tells himself too. And so he like it's not like he wants to make light of the nepo baby thing because he doesn't identify as one. That's actually a really good point. So that's how Ben sees it. Literally. Are you ready for our next story? No. No. No I'm not because the next story.

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Okay, that's okay. Sex and the City recycles another actor as Eagle Eye's fan Carrie's latest in Just Like That love interest is Charlotte's Randy synagogue suitor from the 2003 Sex and the City episode. And the actor is Peter Herman. So Peter Herman was in Sex and the City in 2003 when Charlotte, like, had converted to Judaism but broke up with Harry. Then she goes to the synagogue to try and meet a nice Jewish boy. She meets Peter Herman, who's really nice, but makes her realize, like, he's not Harry. And he'll never be Harry no but then on this week's episode Peter Herman is Carrie's love interest and he is like not the same guy he's in the show twice yeah there are many inconsistencies when it comes to actors repeating I believe Justin Theroux is in it twice as two completely different characters

that happened on the original series and now I see on TikTok a lot of people pointing out just like random inconsistencies with the writing from the new series. Like in season one, Lisa Todd Wexley talked about how hard it was when her dad passed away. And then in season two, she throws a dinner and her dad is there. So like it's just-

You're lying. Yeah, there's so many inconsistencies. It's just lazy. It is lazy. And this isn't the first time it's happened in sex in the city there's a two other instances um that they cited and I feel like it also happens I feel like on friends you had said yes it happens a lot on friends but here's my that guy what's that actor's name he's like John Legu Legu Z John Leguizamo. He plays like four different characters.

Got it. Well, I feel like they know that this is happening. It's not an accident. Like Peter Herman could be like, by the way, I know I did Sex and the City. Go to IMDB. 20 years ago. Like he remembers his roles.

I feel like in this situation, it would have actually been fine if he played the same guy. And when he meets Charlotte, he should be like, oh, I think we met a million years ago at synagogue and just like reference it because there was nothing wrong with that guy that he can't be Carrie's boyfriend now right okay wait what are the other two um times that they reference in the article okay um AJ Mehta who played a waiter who

propositioned Samantha later played Seema's father oh Oh my god. And William Abadi, who played Tony the Prada guy, later Seema's love interest, Zed. Oh, yes, yes. And he was like a main, not a main character, but he had like multiple episodes. He, like, a lot of these guys are in one episode, out the next. As Seema's boyfriend, he was in like four episodes. Oh, cross season, one and two.

Yeah, I see him. I need to see him. I need to see him as Tony the Prada guy. Because I wonder if he's another one where it like would have made sense. Like could this guy's name be Tony that Seema's dating? But this to me feels like really, because I remember the episode Peter Herman was in. And now he's just like a nice guy Carrie's seeing, I'm assuming. Why can't it be the same nice guy? Yeah, and be like Charlotte, be like oh i know him he goes to my

synagogue the end yeah the end the end it's a small town new york is a small town it is i mean i'm so happy peter herman is still getting work like the way i'd love that man would take a bullet for him nine times over the fact that it's peter herman makes me not upset because it's like yeah if it were someone else i'd be like can't you find another actor but with Peter Herman he's irreplaceable you can't he's irreplaceable he literally I would put Peter Herman in my show over and over again he would play every role he'd literally be like Tyler Perry and Medea like he would be every single role Peter Herman's Medea literally that's how talented this man is I totally agree and i actually think he's the perfect suitor for carrie like at this stage in her life based on what i've seen by the way i agree i'm

here for all of it especially it's giving charles from younger it's giving charles from younger i love how peter herman like is probably such a dynamic actor and he literally plays the same role in everything just like wealthy new york gentleman he's only ever shooting in new y York he's always on SVU he's on Blue Bloods he's in Sex and the City like he's exclusively a New York actor no he's never playing the villain actually that would be a really good tool plot twist if you're doing like a thriller cast Peter Herman as the villain because we would never see it coming because he's literally America's sweetheart also Peter Herman is a Darren Star girly from Younger. Yes.

And Sex and the City. So I'm sure Darren knew that Peter had been in Sex and the City before. Like, it's not, this didn't slip through the cracks. They were just like, we don't care. Right. Speaking of New York City television shows, Real Housewives of New York premiered last night. Yes.

I watched up until the first commercial break because Zach had wanted to watch. And then I went to sleep. So I didn't see enough to judge it. Okay. I didn't watch. What I saw, like I wasn't, you know, gefunded. But it's not fair. I saw five minutes.

I did watch Crappy Lake over the weekend um with Ben and Brian Jackie I was cackling like literal belly laughing these two are just stars and what I really like um I feel like shows like that where it's like Hollywood goes to small town they really like more often than not like will mock small town life and and I don't know it just feels like rude but what's so interesting is that the reason they chose Benton Illinois is like the showrunner I think for Housewives and like for a big production company is from Benton and he cares so much about his hometown and they really never recovered after COVID like all the shops closed there's like no life no tourism and the people in the town were like to this showrunner,

like, you know, celebrities like help us. And it's, it's so far so complimentary of the town. It's like important to this guy that they protect like the legacy of Benton. And it's not, they're not mocking this way of life. They're not making fun of it. And I really liked that. And Luann and Sonia are just so game for anything. And they're so funny.

Like we were, they're so funny like we were they're putting together like an end the whole they have five weeks there and at the final week they're gonna put together like this big you know show for the town like a talent yeah like talent show and so they're like all these people are auditioning and they're like being so nice like it's really it's honestly hilarious so far I'm actually really enjoying it oh wow I'm shocked I feel like when the news first came out that we said that, like, sometimes these shows have a way of just, like, making fun of the people who live there. Yeah.

And I'm not interested in watching that. But I will take a wreck from my swirly. Yeah. Like, if anything, the people who live there, like, are making, like, they're not laughing. We're not laughing at them, you know? Like, they're really all, and they're all being such good sports like loving Luann and Sonia and it's because I think they don't feel threatened because they know that one of their alumni from their town is going to protect their their name that's a nice setup yeah no it's I was really shocked um but it's it's so funny like

it's really got that simple life energy but it's got heart I love that okay maybe I'll check it out yeah it's cute and funny there's only two episodes out and they're like 22 minutes I'll probably try and finish the new Rooney just so that I can fairly assess yeah but yeah yeah are you ready for our fifth and final story yes a little crazy crime news crazy crime crazy crime the man behind the viral blue and black dress illusion you know white and gold yeah i heard about this i heard about this has been charged with trying to kill his wife the scottish man who rose to fame in 2015 over his mother-in-law's viral black and blue or golden white dress that divided the internet is now accused of trying to

murder his wife kier johnston of the Isle of Colonsay appeared at the high court in Glasgow on Monday after being charged with the attempted murder of his wife Grace. He had allegedly committed an 11-year campaign of domestic violence acts and coercive control against Grace which allegedly led to him trying to kill her last March by pinning her down to the ground and compressing her neck. He denied all allegations against him including that he repeatedly assaulted his wife at their home before brandishing a knife and attempting to strangle her other allegations stemming from incidents between april 2019 and march 2022 include allegedly pushing grace against a wall shouting out her shouting at her and

throttling her he allegedly tried to get into a vehicle she was in and hit her through an open window as well as another alleged incident where he put his wife in a headlock and dragged her out of a pub after she refused to leave with him he also isolated her allegedly from her friends and family as well as monitoring her money to decide how much of it she could have access to the couple became right yeah they became viral sensations in 2015 after their friend and wedding guest posted a picture to tumblr of the bride's mother's dress that she wore to the wedding asking, do you see white and gold or black and blue? All right, we'll talk about the dress in a minute. But like this is what's just so crazy about the Internet is like, you know, anyone from anywhere can become anything and can become a part of Internet history.

And you just never think about them afterwards. This is such a horrible story like he literally sounds like like the worst like the worst domestic violence abuser like I've heard like it's 11 years like and it's all documented and now it like got to a place where he literally tried to kill her like literally jail for this man for life I only wish him the worst I hope everybody beats him up in jail I think he's disgusting what color did you see white and gold wow okay so I saw black and blue like and I never I couldn't I was like people are lying to me and then when it was like at its peak virality I was like drunk in the back of a

taxi and like it came across my feed and for one second I saw it as white and I was like holy shit yeah so the same thing happened to me like I would look at it all the time like white and gold you guys are blind I'm sorry yeah um but then something like maybe it was someone's phone next to me where like the exposure was like different and I just saw it like through different lighting and I saw the black and blue so I saw what you guys were seeing but I only ever see white and gold so like now every now and then like the photo will come up on a meme and be like throwback. And when you see it what color do you see? White and gold. Damn I see black and blue.

That's crazy. It really is the craziest thing. No I know and I hate that it's like now tainted. I will not support the dress any longer. Like knowing that the originator of it is quite literally like such an evil monster. Like what you just described is like some of the worst shit I've ever heard in my fucking life. I can't support the dress. Like I can't I know dress is over party literally hashtag dress is over party yeah it's messed up they were also on Ellen like right it's really sad I hope this woman gets justice and honestly I hope he's in jail for life it's actually

a helpful part of their story because this case is getting a lot of eyeballs. Maybe more than it would have. And I feel like there might be, like, this call for justice. Yeah, like, no one would be hearing about this, like, small case in this small town. But now it's a global news story and this man's face and name is everywhere. Yeah. So even if he, God forbid, God forbid forbid chas v'shalom like gets off his name you know one google oh i started seeing this guy let's google him boom goodbye boom so we

need to keep his name in the press yeah so i thought that was crazy that is crazy yeah it's just like so internet so true well those are the fast five stories and i feel as though you needed to know them now let's do a quick tv recap for the tv show everyone's talking about that came out on Friday the first three episodes so annoying of the summer I turned pretty so much hype so much you know anticipation and I watched all three episodes last night I got a bunch of dms from people being like please talk on the toast about like how disappointing it is um and here's the thing what did they say why were they disappointed people said um like it's clearly not as good as the first season um it's cringe now those things might be true they might but I'm certainly blinded

by my obsession with this story with these characters with this show in general like I like I actually I can't not like it and I'm sure I know there are moments that were cringe like I know I don't care like it was so good but I will say I think one of the last things and one of the biggest things from last season that people were obsessed with were the music and I don't even think the people who were putting the music soundtrack together like tried that hard like I just think they did you know what felt right but now because the music became such a big thing there was so much anticipation putting the music soundtrack together like tried that hard like I just think they did you know what felt right but now because the music became such a big thing there was so much anticipation for the music that it actually felt like a lot of the music selection to be so

obvious to the point where it was like lame like she gets in her car and they're playing driver's license like come on you can do better than that and it's like they did this whole montage of her driving and crying just so they could play the song and it it's like it's a little heavy handed. And also I feel like she's so young. Does she have her license? She like just got it. Okay. I feel like crying and driving.

Like I just took my driver's test. So dangerous. They said like you really shouldn't drive in a really emotional state. No. So dangerous. It's so true. No wait. So that just stuck out to me.

But no. It did feel like they put in this whole three-minute cry scene in the car just so they could play the song. And I agree with you. Like, maybe they got some natural, organic interest in the soundtrack. But now they're choosing the most obvious songs, I want to say, first of all. Except when it's snowing on the beach, they don't play snow on the beach. I'm actually glad they didn't.

Because then I would have been sitting here being like, and it's snow on the beach, and it's snowing on the beach, they don't play snow on the beach. I'm actually glad they didn't because then I would have been sitting here being like, and it's snow on the beach and it's snow on the beach. Like I actually liked, I liked Invisible String. Okay, I, maybe because I love that song, when she said, it's snowing on the beach and then like a song comes out,

I'm like, snow on the beach, duh. Like it actually bothered me that it wasn't. Like you're going to be so obvious the whole time, at least like give me that. Okay, and then the moment like music-wise that everyone's like obsessed with it I don't know if you got to it it's like we finally see what happened at the funeral like it wasn't even that crazy um but he like said Conrad says some like really mean things to her like I knew I knew I never should have started seeing you like you know you're so dramatic and mature and in the background yeah it was really mean in the background, yeah, it was really mean. In the background, they're playing Silver Springs, which is Fleetwood Mac.

And it's a song that's, you know, super popular, but it's had like a real renaissance with, you know, the Gen Z crowd on TikTok. And it's all about like you will never get away from the sound of a woman that loves you. Like it's this woman scorned. She wrote it and she, you know, what's her name? Stevie Nicks wrote it about, you know, the guy in her band she was with forever. And he has to come on stage and sing the know what's her name uh stevie nicks wrote it about you know the guy in her band she was with forever and he has to come on stage and sing the song that's literally about him and people are like yes female empowerment whatever so it's having like a whole renaissance i love love love love love love that song to see these two 15 year olds like standing in a funeral

like it was so honestly like it didn't everyone was like wait till you get to silver springs and honestly like it was cringe as fuck like it's just like a really mature song it's a really serious song I don't know it was like a little too dramatic for me so the thing is what I one of the best things about the show last season was the music and I think they know that and they're just trying a little too hard like the music selections are just like really like kind of like ever heard of subtlety like they're obvious and corny and also I feel like some of the greatest shows that would have like music accompaniments like what I think of obviously not the greatest shows but like the OC and Gossip Girl it was a mix of like popular music at the right time and also like

songs you've never heard before that now you're looking up on Spotify and you're listening to over and over again and like they're literally choosing like top 10 hits no Jackie they had a One Direction song did you hear I know steal my girl and by the way I love that song I love One Direction but it's just like it's so obvious he's taking her away for the night he stole his girl and he like really is like stealing her from Jeremiah you know there's subtext like there's subtext you're generous I just I thought it was like a little too obvious now having said that I still like ate up every minute of the show like I absolutely love the show I love Belly I love Conrad like I'm such a Conrad girl I and I by the way not Taylor having like a main role this season

I actually really like Taylor um I like I know that the show is flawed and like people are critiquing it and they're 100% right but like you're really not gonna find me disliking it okay so what I'll say is I don't remember what my takeaway from the first season was. But I must have liked it enough because I watched the whole thing and I only felt warmly towards it. So I put on the next season on Saturday and I just hated how it started. They just like the whole thing is in between flashbacks and present day and she's just like so miserable obviously.

But like we don't understand what's going on. the book like that I don't know but the thing is I definitely feel like I'm enjoying the show a lot more because it's not a surprise to me I know everything so I'm just seeing how they're like taking the story that I love what happened at the fucking funeral like stop saying the funeral the funeral like well at least they didn't make us wait like eight episodes we find out in the third episode okay cool I'll I'll catch that later um so I just like wasn't loving the tone or the pace um I also have to keep in mind like this show is not meant for me I'm twice belly's age so it's okay if the tone and the pace don't work for me it's a light-hearted like pretty show um but I feel like so much of the magic from the first season was like cousins and the sun and the beach and yes the running and like instead I'm in like a smelly old classroom

now well that happens in the books too it's like you just need them to go back to cousins because it's so magical but you know life happens in the school year so they're not always at cousins and like it's definitely annoying yeah and everyone's just like a little depressed right now so it's it's it's like it's at a it's a low but they're allowed to be going through stuff. So I just like wasn't obsessed with what I saw so far. But I'll keep watching because it's you know well made and they work hard on it. The cast and crew and the lighting. Right.

The lighting is really nice. It is. It's really beautifully done. But everyone's like quaking over the music and of of course, like Taylor Swift doing her thing on the soundtrack and agreed. It was just too obvious. And I wasn't it wasn't stirring emotion. You know, it's like back to December and it's Christmas lights. Like it's just so obvious.

And like I love hearing Taylor. That's what I loved about the first season is how much they embrace Taylor. But it was like these deep cuts of Taylor it wasn't obvious you know it's not like they played Love Story when Jared when Conrad got up to dance with her at the ball like they played The Way I Loved You like a random deep cut so it wasn't so obvious and I loved that I'm like oh my god not literally like most deep cut my favorite random song so I don't know it's just I think they got a little cocky with the music yeah I agree they need to dig a little deeper yeah also what was I gonna say oh like one of my favorite parts about season one was Steven and Shayla yes and Shayla's gone she had we I knew she wasn't gonna be in the season because she posted on her Instagram a few months

ago and she also made it seem like it wasn't her choice right so I've already what happens with Steven in the books where would he be at Shayla's not even in the books Steven is not as much of a main character in the books as he is in the show he's just like this older brother who's like always fucking mean to Belly like always that's annoying because he was one of my favorite characters this season like he's typed up on the speech that he made as valedictorian that i thought was yeah that sucked yes um and like is it am i supposed to be shipping him and taylor because i do yes yeah you are and i believe um that we're like all supposed to be on board yeah because he like looked at her at the party and then tried to crowd surf and embarrass himself um but i like he's clearly so jealous of the boyfriend. Right and Taylor's a

cute sweet girl and I ship. Yeah and she's a good friend. In the book like we're annoyed with her because like she comes to cousins and it's like get the fuck out like you're a school friend this is a summer friend. Yeah even last season we were annoyed by her and then she was like throwing herself at Steven but I love Shayla so I'm like what are you doing? Yeah but she really is a good friend. She is a good friend and she's like very smart and she's the exact sort of friend that like belly needs to get her out of her comfort zone but doesn't like peer pressure her and just understands belly it's so true she's really like the perfect friend for belly yeah so I'm enjoying I mean now episodes are being released once a week so I'm not gonna

I'm not gonna sit around and wait like some sort of asshole I will I'll see you guys in six weeks okay cool I'll watch whenever you in six weeks. Okay, cool. I'll watch whenever you watch then. Yeah, I'm just like, it's the type of show, it's like I need to watch it in one sitting. It's not like something that I can really wait for. Week to week. Yeah. Like, what do I look like?

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