The Toast - Holding Space For Two Things At Once: Wednesday, February 28th, 2024

Episode Date: February 28, 2024

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Good morning, millennials, and welcome back to The Toast. Happy Hump Day! Today's Hump Day Extravagaganza is brought to you by Made in Form. Thank you, Made in Form, for sponsoring today's episode. We are excited. It's Hump Day. We've got lots to do. Final episode of the week, Sadness. There comes in that emotional rollercoaster again.

Every episode of The Toast is a rollercoaster, an emotional one at that. We made such a hullabaloo yesterday about the fact that it was our last episode, even though right now is technically our last episode. So it's just giving lasty vibes. You look gorgeous. That shade of pink is stunning on you. Why, thank you so much.

Whoever said orange was the new pink was seriously disturbed. We were both, we are both wearing the pale pink crew neck set, but we've styled it differently from each other which is so different for us because we're so simpatico are you a jacks or a turdy are you wearing a crew neck crew neck with leggings are you wearing the whole set whole set maybe a little tie around the shoulders because it is perhaps a string of pearls pearls it is a little warm in here it is a little warm in here and it's not just bruno you know no it's turdy too turdy Jackson Brew, final episode of the wonderful,

how do you even know what to call it? Sabbatical. Well, no, you don't work on sabbatical. I've been working so fucking hard. Kind of like a company offsite. Company offsite, destination toast. But you're home. It's not a destination.

It's true. Toast down south? Something. TDS? Something like that. Final episode is today. I don't want to, you know, harp too much on the negative, but I just want to say it's been amazing. I have loved being here. I love you. I love Brew. I love your whole family. I love my whole family. And it's a devastating loss. It is. And there are so many things I'm going to miss about this special time that we've had together. What will you miss most?

Well, something that I'm going to miss, I'm not going to say miss most, because obviously I'm going to miss you most. Just like the fabulosity of being together, of like, you know, having lunch together. What are we doing today? Tesla. I am like a little, when I'm looking on the bright side, like I look forward to getting back to like full productivity because I feel like a lot of the things that I usually do

during the day are falling by the wayside and have to do them at night and so I'm just like I haven't checked my email and lord knows how long so looking forward to that something that I'm going to miss in addition to you who I love so much is Bruno because Bruno never joins the show but he only joined because of you let's see how how he acts, you know, moving forward. I'll hold out hope that he still wants to podcast with me. Right now, he's just sitting by the lights. It must be really warm and toasty there. That's interesting.

I thought you were going to say, like, you know what I'm going to miss? Like, you know, all the laughter. Like, I thought you were going to say something nice about me. No, that's why I first said, of course, I'm going to miss you the most. But just like, what about me will you miss? Like, what about my presence?

I'm just curious. Like, what do you think I've, you know, added that me will you miss like what about my presence i'm just curious like what what do you think i've you know added that you will miss like a value well i mean where do i begin it in for the show or for my whole life anything it's easier to say for my whole life because the show is fabulous like no matter where we do it um just positivity like just such a nice hum around the house when the turdy is here. Just, she brings a great energy. An energy that will be missed sorely. You make doing errands more fun.

We have so much fun when we do errands. And we make just everything into an outing. And we're hilarious. You make lunch more fun. Lunch is always fun. Unless it was the lunch we had during that Patreon vlog. That'll be out tomorrow. Right.

The disgusting discussion. The disgusting discussion. The disgusting discussion. And... It's just devastating. It is. But are you looking forward to going back to being internet friends? Because I know you love doing the podcast. I'm glad you brought this up.

The first few days of... We're weird. The show was fun. I couldn't even look you in the eyes. I was like... We got over it really quickly. And I don't think anybody knew except for the fact that we addressed it. But we are weirdly internet friends.

Yeah. I happen to love doing the show remotely. I feel like I do my best work remotely. Which is good. Because I don't feel like when I leave, the show suffers at all. So I'm looking forward to getting back to my little square and your little square. I happen to really like it. I feel comfortable there.

But now we've gotten used to this. Me too. Me too. I'm making eye contact i felt like really like in pain i felt like a stranger in my own house i felt like a stranger in my own family like it was just weird i'm glad like we both felt it like we can address it and move on we we so squashed it so quick no it's natural like we were pen pals and now we're meeting In real life It's weird We really are Like You're like right to me In prison you know Like

You are You're Ryan And I'm Gypsy Yeah I heard a rumor And it's so unfounded And it's like Was it TikTok

That Gypsy Rose is pregnant Why would it be so crazy Well That means she would Just be telling us Like when she's One month pregnant Which is just like

Maybe she's not A superstitious girl Yeah Okay then for that reason Unless they But i have no proof that that's true like i literally read it in a tiktok comment section like it was so vague so so extremely fake that's really but then it got stuff that you would even give it air perpetuate but it got me thinking like i do think we could see a gypsy rose pregnancy sometime soon because she's very vocal about like how much she's fucking bed bed jip little jip actually her name is gypsy yeah yeah yeah like i think we always

have this discussion about the word well now you're making it weird yeah i am i am let's just move on like just move on okay so we've got a great show today um it's just going to be two gorgeous girls being absolutely gorgeous talking to gorgeous boys and girls like it's kind of you know what it's giving gorgeous it's giving gorgeousness as is our new merch which you can get now at shop toast merch dot com still available some things are sold out trucker hat gone t-shirt gone we brought the mug back the green set and the pink set were good so there there's green. So that was not really, that was a little confusing. Really, I feel like it was perfect English. Even I went on the back end of it.

Perfect English. I'm like, so is there a mug? Yeah. Okay, because you said we brought the mug back. Meaning it's back. Are you okay? No, okay. I just found it to be a little confusing.

Green set and pink set are available. Go get Yara merch. And I feel like we're just like dilly-dallying because getting into the stories means like you know the end of summer is approaching like you know it's the last day of camp yeah and also getting into the stories means that we have to deal with the stories i know and it's like when did that become our problem you know the year was 2018 let's talk about the last day of camp what type of girl were you on the last day of camp i i'm you know it's hard for me to be without my stuff because you pack a few days before camp they take your stuff camp trucking they ship it camp trucking trucking and so like you're sleeping

in a sleeping bag and you don't have your bedding and that's like a little that's a little dark for me i like to have my things so like when i when we talk about last day of camp the first thing that comes to mind to you is like not having your perfume and stuff? Not having my bedding. But then when it came to toiletries, we wouldn't throw away, we wouldn't ship them back home.

So we got to like use them in abundance and you could use other people's toiletries. And so the way I remember Last Day of Camp is just like kind of like using new shampoos and conditioners and sleeping in a sleeping bag. That is so weird. And waking up at the crack of dawn. That is so weird that like that's your association because

for me the last day of camp like signified like the beginning of like a really dark period for me like a week or two I was so depressed I would hysterically cry like leaving my friends like long long hugs like shoulder shaking sobs like then I would get home and the sadness would not go I was not happy to see my family I was not happy to see my room I was not happy to see my school friends like I would wake up like for a few days after camp waking up alone versus like waking up in a bunk with so many people it was so stark and so different I was not happy to see my school friends like I would wake up like for a few days after camp waking up alone versus like waking up in a bunk with so many people it was so stark and so different I was really depressed I don't think that I cried on the last day of camp I'll have to ask Margo Lewin she would remember but that just doesn't feel like me I feel like when I would get it does

not seem like something you would do I feel like when I would get home from camp like I felt renewed and brand new and like so many new things I learned at camp whether it was like new music or just new ways to style my hair and I was like excited to take that to the streets when I got home. That by the way that's your like new way of talking. It was like a new beginning for me like I'm brand new I'm sitting in my room and I'm just different. You know what's so interesting like I'm about to say something I've never like I just had a thought that I've never thought before I feel like every time I say something on the podcast I've said it three times before but this is like a totally new original thought that just popped into my mind okay. Exciting. I feel like since doing the toast like we've always been sisters and I've always it three times before but this is like a totally new original thought that just popped into my mind okay exciting I feel like since doing the toast like we've always been

sisters and I've always known everything about you but since working with you full-time like I really know like I know more about you than all the other sisters like I just do not that it's competition I'm just like saying facts okay it's not a competition because it's they would lose like I don't talk to them nearly as much I'm not on hour three of podcasting for the day right however I feel like because when you were just telling me that story I'm like I feel like I'm not on hour three of podcasting for the day right however I feel like because when you were just telling me that story I'm like I feel like I'm learning things about me I like kind of forgot what I was gonna say my like original creative thought you feel like you know me really well but yeah I think you and you know me better than anyone yeah but I think maybe what I

was fuck I like had an original thought maybe what I was trying to say you know what it's gone like i literally so weird i want to know what you were going to say i was i think maybe i was going to say i don't care now like i feel like i'm having a stroke like i can't even talk are you gonna if i please stop let's talk about that you know i'm gonna call out taylor farms okay jackie you made me feel so small in the ad copy yesterday i thought i. I thought I was having a struggle because this is English. I was saying, and by the way,

I read it every time. You've never said anything. In their copy, it says, Taylor Farms Chopped Salad Kits, a five boring. And I thought a five was a word, meaning like they reject boring.

But apparently, like somebody made me realize in a comment section, perhaps it's been a typo all this time. Somebody forgot to put the D. It defies boring. And that probably makes a lot more sense. Right. so when i called you out for a fine boring that's not english yeah but like when we're doing ads like just like shut up you know i know i i never call out your

flubs during the ads because it's a bit this is a place of business it's a place of business and you know it's a certain amount of time that they get and i don't want to like spend it slandering you even though that's all you do to me when i read anything but i'm sorry just a five boring like you couldn't let it go i didn't comprehend you couldn't let it go i understand that i could not comprehend to let things go i get that i literally let it go in two seconds when you shut me down yeah because i was literally keeping the lights on here like literally by speaking wrong i By misspeaking. No, I think what I was trying to say, back to this thesis of mine that's becoming so painful to talk about.

I think what I was trying to say was like. You think you know me. Because of the toast. You know me better than anyone. Yes, but that's not what I was trying to say. And I was trying to say like As kids like we were you know tight But not as tight as we are now And I really don't know what I was trying to say

Okay I was saying that like when I come home I'm brand new Yeah Like I learn all these things at camp No it's not gonna happen like move on I'm sorry I really like I know it was gonna be really sweet too You would have loved it Okay let me try

I think what I was trying to say was like I'm like learning about like things like you experience and things you think thought like your thought processes as a young person and I think I maybe

would have never known those things had it not been for the toast. Maybe that's what I was trying to say. I understand that and I feel the same for you. It's like we went through the same thing.

We both like went to the same camp. We came home on the same bus. We plopped our asses down at the same house but internally like we were probably And we never shared what we were feeling. Right but we on the same bus. We plopped our asses down at the same house, but internally like. And we never shared what we were feeling. But we process it so differently.

It's not like, you know, even after we were done processing, we sat down and had conversations about those thoughts and feelings. Right. And we're doing that now. Until today, we're unpacking a lot,

Trini, and we're holding space for our former selves. We are holding space for our former selves. And you know, you can hold space for two things at once. You can if you're annoying as fuck. Yeah, by the way, it's true. It's actually only possible to hold space for two things at once if you are annoying and ugly.

Like, it's just we don't make the rules. If you could talk to your younger self, what would you tell her? People ask me this question all the time, and I always have the same answer, and they think I'm joking and I'm being dead fucking serious. Like, delete your old tweets you ugly bitch Like what are you doing? You're not funny

By the way we talk about this in the vlog That's dropping tomorrow on the Patreon So I'm gonna leave that there I'm gonna set that aside and hold space You're gonna hold space for it I'm gonna hold space for something else Which is like no like you know Kendall Jenner And like Jay Shetty

When they like you have to look at a picture of like But I don't send her Jay Shetty I love him No no no like it's a popular exercise And it's like Oh that clip of Kendall on Jay Shetty when they like you have to look at a picture of like I don't slander Jay Shetty I love him no no like it's a popular exercise and it's like oh that clip of Kendall on Jay Shetty's podcast yes of your little girl self and when you do negative self-talk just imagine that you're talking negatively to that little girl okay that little girl needed it like no what I was gonna say so obviously I'm disappointed in the exercise I was gonna say like what would you say to her and not like buy Tesla stock because like she doesn't know what that means like what would you say to her? And not like buy Tesla stock because she doesn't know what that means. Like what would you say to her? Calm down.

Like you're annoying everyone around you. You're giving yourself like a really bad reputation. Like just calm down. Like I was a really, if you read my book, you know, I was like a really annoying, rambunctious, like energetic, angry little kid. Like imagine if someone had stifled your energy at that age, you would not be sitting in this chair littered. Imagine if somebody, I don't care if it was me in 10 years,

imagine if anybody came up to me while I was like having a temper tantrum and told me like calm down oh my god i would have literally like choked them to death yeah all that to say you miss the point of like the jay shetty exercise no no i get it i get it i get it but like some kids some people no matter how young you are like need to hear hard truth you're still wrong no like you're still annoying because you're little and cute like you still did the wrong thing i mean isn't that parenthood like in a in a nutshell like wanting to yell at your kids but like they're so cute yeah yeah it's true and holding space for both truths is of the utmost importance constantly what am i doing constantly what am i doing holding space for two breasts guys like next time i play charades i'm gonna be like this like she's holding space for two things that are true at once i'm holding

space for both things you know so let's hold space for one thing the past five stories oh i know i know i mean is there anything else you want to talk about i'm wearing this clip that was by the way did we get into the clip conversation on yesterday's podcast that ended up on the cutting room floor one or take two did you guys hear about this clip saga i'm not gonna go into it but just in case you heard about it because it really wasn't in case you did hear about it i'm wearing the clip right now and loving it Thanks You're welcome You're welcome No what I'm holding space for right now

Is the toast I mean Are you ever not? Toast at a glance My favorite thing You wanna Should we take a step back And look at the toast at a glance right now?

So I'm always down to By the way like Take a step back Yeah Take several Several Okay what do you wanna say say about the toast at a glance

flamingos three-week adventure oh no i meant us is it like our business oh business is booming booming our biggest merch i almost almost say lurch munch i did that on my stories today our biggest lurch munch yet honestly so whatever i thought our last one was going to be our biggest yet that uh gray one they love that but now they're loving pink and green this is like og coloring i'm not surprised you know no this this is my favorite one me too did i say that about everyone i would hope that's the way a creator like lurch munches are like our children i would hope that's the way a creator felt about their lunch munches we're such creators we are no no like i know we joke but nobody

literally nobody creates more than us wait i actually saw tiktok that was so smart i loved it and i saved it can i play it for you of course um and i learned a word um that i had never learned before it was like so it was such a like a smart tiktok oh here okay talking about like how influencers like an insults so she was responding to someone who said that with a big platform person an influencer yes a huge one so she's saying i don't identify as an influencer even though i technically am an influencer i don't like the word yeah right and so this girl's response heard a bitch originally just meant female dog it It was a neutral word, but eventually went through a language evolution process called

pejoration. Are you familiar with the word pejoration? No, me neither. Meaning it picked up negative connotations over time that weren't a part of the original definition. What's interesting about pejoration as a language process is that it's very gendered. A lot of words that are originally neutral in their meaning but have something to do with femininity

end up pejorating over time and becoming insults. Meanwhile, the reverse happens to masculine words. But all of that to say, I can't help noticing now the disdain with which we all spit out the word influencer. And mind you, I think there are very valid criticism of both influencers and influencing as a job. But it is predominantly women in this space and i can't help but wonder if that has anything to do with why we now want to distance ourselves from that word so much think a la well i'm not feminist but i

believe she lost me there but no but she's right the word duration first of all i didn't know that was a thing a lot of female words like bitch, pussy. Right. Douche. Douche. Oh my God. It's so funny because I think of douche as like something we call men. No, but it's like. It's a female word. It's a female thing. Yeah.

And first of all, I didn't know about pejoration. Like I just love that word. I need to like learn more about it and start like using it in everyday life. Probably using it incorrectly. But it was a good like take on why influencer has become a bad word. When you think about influencers, you do not think about men. No. You think about women, mostly moms who do it as a job in addition to being a mom.

Yeah. Like the OG influencers that I think about. That's what I think about. Yeah. I do think in that TikTok, I don't know that influencers, I mean, I could be wrong, but that it will go the way of like, bitch, where it turns into something that it's not. Like a slur.

Yeah. And I also don't relate to the original person. Like, I'm a proud influencer. You know, like I saw that original video and I thought it was like such a extreme take. Like, I don't want to be associated. I think a lot of people don't want to call themselves influencers because they'd rather be like, I don't want to be called an influencer because I'd rather be referred to as a comedian or a podcaster the thing is I don't mind if someone calls me an influencer I just don't want to call myself an influencer because it's

like a little bit boisterous hey look at me I'm so influential that's like calling yourself a celebrity like it's just a little immodest but it's not inaccurate and if someone like if someone was like writing something about me and they said influencers I guess I'd be like hey I have no problem with someone calls me it it's just a little presumptuous When you say because it's like oh you think you're so influential yeah but like the word influencer Like it comes with an eye roll well not for me But yeah but you're unique in that like for everyone else it does they're just jealous Well they are jealous by the way right because also all kids want to be influencers

No and it's like if you if you can do it right it's the best job in the world we could wax poetic on this debate whether it's the best or the worst that's true but it is a desirable job like when they poll kids about what they want to be when they grow up a lot of them most of them say they want to be influencers which is just a little sad but it is um as two influencers it's a larger conversation like it's not just the pejoration of the word It's bigger than that It's like our aspirations Are no longer Like academia Or science

Or medicine It's also like The pejoration Of just like The profession Yeah In general Certainly it's gendered

There's a lot there But I am grateful For being introduced To the word Pegeration Yeah And let me just Shout out the creator

Who made that video Because like Nada's stealing Her whole thesis Her name is Audra. Thank you, Audra. Thank you for that. Vocabulary lesson.

Vocabulary lesson and thought provoking. Stuff. Stuff. I was looking for a better word than stuff, but it's just a pile of stuff. By the way, I've been saying, because they're weirdly in my room have been so many different piles of stuff because I'm packing and I'm cleaning

and I'm moving and I'm leaving and I'm this and I'm that, shopping, yada. I've been have been so many different piles of stuff because i'm packing and i'm cleaning and i'm moving and i'm leaving and i'm this and i'm not shopping yet i've been saying like the three words pile of stuff like probably 50 times over the last week and i can't say it without saying pile of stuff if you know you know yeah so i think we should dive into the past five stories what do you think about that i think so i think that eventually we have to right might as well just do it just do it rip off the band-aid who knows where it'll take us the fast five are always a journey a journey through time without further a did it did it do here are the fast five stories that you need to know the fast five stories that you need to know are brought to you by made

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Things for your nether regions, trust. Our first story, a little royal news. Prince William has bailed on an event with Queen Camilla for personal reasons while Kate Middleton is doing well after surgery. So Prince William was a no-show

out of memorial service for the late King Constantine II of Greece at Windsor Castle on Tuesday amid his wife Kate Middleton's recovery from abdominal surgery. Now we don't know if these two things are related, but he was supposed to go to this event. The late king was his godfather.

Oh, wow. He did not attend. And also holding space for two things to be true, he didn't attend while also kate is out of surgery out of surgery are they related i feel like something's really weird like i feel like the royals like don't cancel on stuff they're like very they work them to the bone over there they don't take time off the fact that kate is taking time off he's now excusing himself for an event that looks like it's really important like this is somebody he was supposed to give a reading too

so i don't know and i feel like they've been very nondescript about what's going on with kate while we have so much information like on oh my god i feel like next we're gonna see a picture of us yeah like it's so and that's great they've been so like forthcoming and transparent with details but with kate they've kind of given us nothing and then never brought it up again yeah but she's out till easter but lest we not forget easter's coming early this year. March 31st. So she should be back in about a month. It's just suspicious. Yeah, I think people are quizzical about this.

No, and now, like, when anything comes to the royals, but also this is, like, very strange and out of character, people have conspiracy theorized, like. What's the theory on this? I don't know. But a lot of people are, like, just not buying what, you know, the palace is feeding them. They didn't give us anything.

They said personal reasons. That could run the gamut. They said abdominal surgery. Oh, for Kate. Kate. Yeah, for Kate. Prince William backed out of this for personal reasons. Oh, to me, like his personal reasons are Kate.

Oh, you think? If they're not, he needs to reprioritize. His wife just got out of surgery. But he was, his wife got out of surgery But he was His wife got out of surgery And he's still planning On attending this So what Yeah

What Maybe she's not Recovering well Like Yeah It's confusing Yeah it is I hope all's well

Me too of course And I hope it's Nothing nefarious Yeah nothing nefarious Of course People are just so quick To like you know Think it's nefarious

With the royals Because they think They're like this all consuming, like the firm. Sometimes they are actually. So I feel that. Yeah, I feel that too. But I don't know.

I'm just going to, I'm going to wait and see. I'm going to ask you a question and I want you to just, just don't answer me quickly. Like think about it. Take a second. Really think, okay? Okay. What would you say if I asked you for a sip of your water?

I would say yes, because we've had a hard morning. And would you let me like waterfall it or you would let me put my lips on it? I would let you put your lips on it because we've been through a lot together today. Yeah. More than you guys have seen. Yeah, like a lot of behind the scenes, off camera sort of things. Like things aren't going our way today. So I wouldn't be one more thing to stand in your way and make things harder for you.

Shannon Ford said like I need to be drinking a lot of water to keep up with my sunburn to make sure I don't, like, blister or crack. Can I actually just keep this water, like? Can I have one more sip because you made it look so good? I did. Well, I waterfalled it because I was being respectful, but then I was like, I need this. I actually have not drank enough water today.

I had a soda. Oh, there she goes. Is she going to drink the whole thing before? Now. Now it's mine? I'm good. We're so hydrated. We're so lovely and sharing sharing is caring

and i care deeply for my sister i feel like you've gotten a lot better maybe at least it's just with me about like crazy germ like won't share drinks ben thinks ben's like weird about sharing drinks and it's just not gonna work for me so we share drinks whether he likes it or not but even with with other members of his family like he won't like he wouldn't share a drink with you like i don't love sharing drinks i I share drinks with my husband because my rose is my husband. And when he does manage to put the drinks away, we will share one.

Of course. We'll share a beverage. Cheers to that. Cheers to that. But I don't jump at the chance to give someone a sip of my beverage. However, I know you need it and you're struggling. So I jump to help.

I do. I so appreciate that. I really, really do. You're such a good friend and sister and lover ew okay how about ew what if i just ew are you ready for our next story yeah a little reality tv news says love is blind stars jessica and johnny were seen together at the airport. This is really upsetting. So Jessica and Johnny from Love is Blind linked up in the real life at the airport, which may prove to be a big twist because they never really crossed paths on the show. TMZ has a video that shows the two stars who did not interact on the reality series, as far as we know, walking through a terminal at LAX on Sunday morning,

where they were shoulder to shoulder. The thing is, is that everything about Love is Blind is so top secret that this would just never fly if they were a couple they're doing like now that they're all famous like they're doing a lot of work netflix is flying them out to la i'm sure new york to do all the today like the shows podcasts i am sure that they were put on the same flight yeah to go do a work thing and we all know they live in the same town. Right. So like. I don't think this means. Shoulder to shoulder. I don't think this is a smoking gun. Though it could be that.

So let's discuss the potential of them. I mean. He is so concerned about children. She's got a 10 year old. Like. Right. He would literally run scared out of her house. Screaming.

Like. Ah. Ah. Like he's so afraid of kids. Fundamentally. It's a no. This isn't going to work. I feel like that's probably why they never spoke in the pods Like he was like I don't want to have kids And she said I have a kid and that's that

Also on a personality level Like in my opinion and this is like might be mean Like to me he's so beta And we've been saying all along Like Jess needs like a man Are there any alphas on the show? I feel like going on the show is the end to this As being an alpha like not to be so mean but that true. And I feel like a lot of the guys who

go on and why they're so toxic is because they think they're alphas and they're really not. Honestly I'm going to say something crazy. I would say the only alpha that I can think of in history of Love is Bind is like people are going to think this is crazy is like Barnett. I was thinking the same thing yeah may but see but then i think about like cameron hamilton i wouldn't say he's an alpha he's a great guy but i wouldn't say he's a beta he's kind of like neither he's not in interested in your games yeah he's not interested in your greek labeling games and that's what makes him cool yeah but as far as alpha i

can't think of any other season other than one and the one we're watching now no okay i can think of the one full of losers the worst one and that's the shake deep tea natalie shane shane that's that was the biggest group of losers on the planet that was a really hard time we went through a lot we deserved compensation for having for what we went through a lot We deserved compensation For having For what we went through For having watched that season Yeah And I think we recapped it

And pretending to care Yeah Ugh Loser will What was last season Oh then there was Oh that was like Jared and Ayana too

They were actually cute But they ended up getting divorced Nick and Danielle Danielle yeah Then there was last Like two seasons ago Which was like

Kwame and Chelsea. Oh, that was also a big group of filters. Yeah. Oh, actually, I kind of like that one. And by the way, Kwame and Chelsea, I check up on them once a month. I actually was looking at her Instagram two days ago. They're still married, so.

And two other couples got to, like stayed together. Who was it? Google it. That was a weird season. Hold on. Chelsea, Kwame, Love is Blind. Yeah, that was the Portland and Seattle season. Yeah.

Your favorite. I won't get into it. Your favorite. Okay. Oh, Zach and Bliss, they're expecting a baby. You were obsessed with them. I'm obsessed with them. So I would say Zach isn't alpha.

What? You would? You don't know what alpha means? You don't think? No, I don't think. Do you? I guess I'll be joking. OK, that was season four.

Let me just look it up. Season four. Love is blind couples. I just want to make sure I'm not forgetting anyone, even though I know I am. Red and Tiffany. Who the hell is that? Let see i've never seen this let me see in my life i think i remember tiffany she was a great gal she was like super serious and i like i think they were in a really solid relationship okay i mean i think brett had a sneaker collection.

Tiffany and Brett are still married. I've never seen these people in my life, but they're cute. They're both really good looking. Yeah, they were a great couple. I think he had cool sneakers because I remember I watched his act. Micah and Paul, broken up.

Right. Chelsea and Kwame, married. Zach and Bliss, married. Baby on the way. Oh, Marshall and Jackie. They were broken up. That was it. That was actually a good season. Yeah, that was a good season. So do I think Jess and Johnny are dating? No. One, because Netflix would never allow this photo to get out. It's so avoidable that they both would just take separate flights. And two, talk about two less

compatible people on the planet. They don't exist. Agreed. And I think that Jess is about to bloom yeah no she's gonna become a star dating like athlete anyone she wants i think yeah she's like the most eligible bachelorette on the planet right now i think so too right that's like the zeitgeist like people love her um we definitely like her more than other people i think a lot of people like think she's like catty mean girl i didn't get that i didn't get that either I think a lot of people just will assume that about a girl who's really pretty like for real like that's how I feel yeah I think I saw some people like thinking that she was kind of like it said made mean remarks about like Chelsea's looks but that's not what I got I

think she was more so hyping herself up I did not think she said and she had said when she went John what's his name? James. Jimmy. Jimmy. Well I guess his name might be James. When Jimmy was breaking up with her. She was basically like.

When you get out of the pods. You're going to like. Vomit over what you say. EpiPen. And maybe people took that as like. Being like. Well I'm gorgeous. And Chelsea's ugly.

But she was really just talking about herself. She was just talking about herself. Yeah. I like her. So I don't know if everybody else does. But I like her. And by the way. I'm like not going to be able to watch. The Love is Blind episodes. Because I'm going to be partying in St. Yeah. I like her. So I don't know if everybody else does, but I like her. And by the way, I'm like not going to be able to watch the Love is Blind episodes because I'm going to be partying in St. Bart's like tomorrow. Oh my God.

I can finally watch and you're not here. I will watch it. I will. By the time the next episode of The Toast comes out. I will be caught up. Okay, great. Me too. I'll get, you know, the Netflix app on my phone or something.

Like I'll watch it on the plane. Yeah. You'll use your VPN, ExpressVPN. I think you could probably watch it like not in America I think it's just cooler to watch with express VPN I agree and just make it feel like you're doing something wrong but don't get locked up abroad okay I promise are you ready for our next story which was one of the crazier stories I've seen in a little bit well Well, with an intro like that, I certainly am ready. Madonna removes Luther Vandross from Celebration Tour AIDS tribute

following an ask from his estate. I had heard about Luther Vandross wanting nothing to do with Madonna. I read that this morning. Madonna has made an adjustment to her Celebration Tour. The Queen of Pop removed an image of him from the section of her tour

that pays tribute to AIDS victims after his estate requested it be taken down, her rep confirms to People. Not me learning for the first time ever that that's how Luther Vandross passed away. That's so sad. Claudia, the estate put out a statement that said, Luther Vandross passed away in 2005

due to complications from a stroke suffered two years earlier. While we appreciate Madonna's recognition of those lives lost to AIDS, Luther was never diagnosed with AIDS or the HIV virus. We're not sure where she or her production team received false medical information claiming otherwise. We're currently

in contract with her management to remove Luther Vandross from the tribute. There is nothing funny about HIV, but like this is funny. How does a mishap like this happen? How does this happen? I feel like it's a quick I'm sure whoever was in charge just did a mishap like this happen how does this happen i feel like it's a quick i'm sure whoever was in charge like just did a google search like notable because other people

who are in the tribute include names like keith harring herbert's and freddie mercury i was gonna say he's probably like the most famous person so probably was there was a google in there oh my god do you think that they were looking for an image of someone else and accidentally put a picture of Luther Vandross or they really thought Luther Vandross died of HIV? Ooh, could be either. I think the second one. This is humiliating like for absolutely everyone involved. And it just reminds me like how much I love Luther Vandross when I actually like know nothing about him other than that one song.

That one song is enough. It's enough. To love a person forever. To dance with my father again like so beautiful like i used to listen to that song like before my dad was dead and like tear up and now it's just like so appropriate it's like a song that you actually can't listen to if you just want to be able to carry on with your day it's a song that you can't listen to if you just want to be able to carry on with your day she said what she said things to do i can't be bogged

lives to lead businesses to run that song will cripp you. It's like your day just comes to a screeching halt. No, it's kind of like your life comes to a screeching halt. We feel that way about what Ben Platt's song. I haven't listened to it in forever. I literally can. In case you don't live forever, let me tell you now. I love you more than you'll ever wrap your head around I'm disassociating. In case you don't live forever

Let me tell you the truth I'm everything that I am because of you I can't. I have chills on my cheeks. My body accepted a small chill. That's as far as we'll go. We should start a list of songs that we can't listen to if we want to move on with our days you know because right now it's those two

okay i like that is there any other song that comes to mind is crippling like you like we'll just cry cry i'll just call it cry songs but i'll know if i search luther vandross it'll come up i actually like the title we had coming it's too long and i'm trying to move on with my day oh my god um you know who probably has a list of all these songs who margot wash right yeah she loves listening to these songs it's a form of self-harm it definitely is but she casts a wide net i'm thinking like she does she also listens to some that are just like sad emo in your feels not like i have to sit in a dark room today no i love that ben platt song it's really good it's really good it's really beautiful just know like i feel that way about

you stop i'm not having this conversation like you're trying to bring me to a place like it's sad like no i feel that way about you too stop stop our next story is something that's really gonna cause waves what is it and it's story number four cool which is exciting and irrelevant because today's episode is brought to you by m no and we love made in forum like go use the code what was it let me just remind the peeps oh yeah that's right toast 20 at made in forum.com wendy's announces dynamic pricing with increased menu ticket master during busy hours it's like uber surge so when i'm sorry i don't like this wendy's customers may face different prices depending on what time of day they go to the burger joint the fast food spot

announced a plan to roll out dynamic pricing in 2025 during an earnings call in february wendy's wendy's new price model will be similar to how ride-sharing apps like uber or lyft bump up their prices during increased customers can be paying as much as $1 for a Baconator during peak time, like the lunch rush, according to GMA segment that aired on Tuesday. But other times, they could be spent like $10. No, okay, I just want to say, like, the recession has taken, like, this has gone too far, for real. Like, we need someone to save us. This is insane, first of all. i like the idea if it's never gonna go up like if if you're going to a wendy's in the four in the morning and nobody's

there sure give me that burger for 50 cents like i actually like that okay sure but if they're inverse gonna like make it expensive when it's busy like no i'm sorry and i think this sets a really bad precedent like it's really crazy and i'm surprised nobody's thought to do it sooner because i'm sure it makes a lot of sense economically you can charge more of the supply and demand baby yep but like this could disrupt the entire restaurant industry in a way that I don't like yeah no no it's like actually really scary to think about how any restaurant like when they're busier like they have their just peak menu prices and then their regular menu prices like I really don't like that and I think like especially like a small like Wendy's doing this I'm sorry it's unforgivable like I

could see a small business wanting to do this and how can you even blame them during these you know dark economic times but this has gone too far for real I need an economist to come in and fix things because this is not okay yeah it's crafty as hell though the more I think about it the more I'm like this makes so much sense because also at peak times like you hire more people things cause more like you need more workers whereas in the middle of the night you could just have one person and you can charge less but this would change everything it would change the course of herstory i think it would change things so much like if every restaurant i think it would actually change human behavior to

the point that people would stop eating at regular times. Like the meal times. And like maybe people would start being awake in the middle of the night and sleep during the day. Oh, I love to save money. It could change. It could be one of these like actual cultural shifts. Yeah, if it catches on.

Like Wendy's doesn't have that impact. If it just Wendy's is the one to do it. But if it's successful for Wendy's and then other chains and then it trickles down to like small mom and pop restaurants if it becomes like the norm like I will die first of all like seriously I'd be so mad and it would it would be a seismic shift in humanity yeah in human behavior though I will say I feel like I eat at weird times of day so you think you could skirt this like I think I could and as an influencer, it's kind of my duty to do popular things at off hours. Like we get manicures in the middle of the day to make room.

For the girls who are done working at 6 o'clock and go right after. So the boom at 6.30, we're not a part of. Right. And we want to make space for them and hold space for them. And so it's our duty to not show up during rush hours. Of course. Because we don't have to. Because we can make our own schedule.

Right. It's kind of like us being martyrs. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe if more influencers did things such as that. The pejoration. They wouldn't have such a bad rap. Totally.

This is crazy. I don't like it. And I don't support it. Okay. Let's stay tuned. Let's follow this story. Let's. It's a developing story.

Another developing story. It's our fifth and final. Kind of like zap through those stories. They were kind of bad no but actually i've enjoyed our discussion on each of them i have had the time of my life fighting dragons with you this episode has been so much fun and i have nothing negative to say about the episode just the stories well our fifth story is extremely negative love norovirus cases are surging in the u.s especially in the northeast so you guys cases of norovirus are surging in the u.s particularly in the northeast where cdc data has shown a steady increase in people with the illness now if you're new here and you don't know

like the importance of this specific virus to us and our family please go listen to the episode it's uh actually me and ben hosted it i think you were on maternity leave. It's called Questioning Every Fart with Ben Soffer. Just to give yourself like a little bit of context of how this particular virus infiltrated my home

and affected my family. Affected your family. Affected my family. Oh, right. I forgot about you. Oh, yeah. You were there too. Oh, my God.

The girl brought me norovirus. When she was nine months pregnant. No, I was like one month postpartum. Oh, my God. So first, norovirus is a very contagious months pregnant no i was like one month postpartum oh my god so first norovirus is a very contagious virus that causes vomiting and diarrhea parentheses at the same time no i really i can't talk about it like anyone can get infected and sick with norovirus it's sometimes called the stomach flu or a stomach bug however norovirus illness is not related to the

flu which is caused by influenza so you let me just say one thing about norovirus at this time of year like you will know if you have it there's no mistaking it and and if you've never had it before you'll know that you had it because it's unlike anything any human has ever experienced like you can't even compare it to the stomach flu you can't even compare it to food poisoning it is 36 hours of hell and if you've never had it before just know that if you feel like you're about to throw up sit on the toilet yeah by the way so ben and i did this episode and like it's it is quite vulgar but if it's important because this is like a public health issue and i and when i said this on the podcast the virus was running rampant in the northeast and so many people messaged me being

like thank you for this helpful tip so i'm gonna say it again if you feel like you're about to throw up and you're on the toilet no if you feel like you're about to throw up. And you're on the toilet. No. If you feel like you're about to throw up, like, and you're standing. And you're at, you could be standing throwing up anywhere at the toilet. Sit on the toilet. Sit on the toilet and throw up into a bag or the garbage bin. Do not hover over the toilet leaving your ass exposed. Like, you will regret it.

You will regret it because just because, meaning, because you're about to throw up, it means you're also about to shit your pants. So just keep that in mind. You can be in total space for two things at once. Two things can be true. You are going to vomit, but you're also going to shit your pants. So sit your ass down on the toilet and get a garbage bin.

Yeah, that's what we'll leave you with. Re-neurovirus. But I just like, I can't go through that again. I think I need to quarantine that article it said it was running rampant in the northeast yeah so that's why you're saying that me by the way when i saw that story i was like thanking heavens because i would catch it that just happens to me i was thanking the heavens that i decided to extend my trip and then go to

st bart's but here's the thing like if i've had it once am i immune no it's a seasonal thing it's like the flu yeah every year yeah you can get the flu every year you are not immune to it no but that's also because like the flu keeps changing is norovirus changing definitely by the way and doesn't it make you happy to like think about like norovirus is the great equalizer like celebrities got it so just think about austin butler like you know going to vomit and then accidentally pooping on the floor i could see it i feel like i by the way like it's like funny to me that like people like associate notovirus with me like you know anytime it's in the news people said like a thousand people tag me in tiktoks they send it to me in dms like it's like that's kind of my legacy yeah that's part of your brand it's beautiful turdy starter kit yeah nor

virus claw clip i really love how we diet coke how we brought the holding two things at once space for two things like that was pure you couldn't have written a podcast better than that and i think it was the perfect way to end our time together I totally agree just the invisible string yeah of holding two things holding space for two things at once holding space for two true things at once that's obviously going to be our title holding space for two things at once I'll allow it you'll allow it wow I only allow podcast titles to be like they really shouldn't be more than four words and if they are they have to be stellar and that one was yeah I think that's all she wrote like the next time you hear from us I'll probably be so bright red but I'll be so happy that I took my trip to St. Barts because I'm like so excited like

I feel like when I get home from St. Barts I'm really gonna be sad like right now I have so much to look forward to and I'm just really excited about it so bittersweet so sad to be leaving you do through and lou but so excited for my trip so thank you for your hospitality thank you for being here toasters thank you and it's just been it's an amazing time and i just i don't even want to wrap up the show because that means like it's well and truly over yeah and that's that's sad yeah well there's always patreon you guys if you're missing us we'll be over there doing our thing, having fun, letting loose, letting rip. Thank you, Made In Form, for sponsoring today's episode.

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