The Toast - I Feel Vibeless: Tuesday, July 14th, 2026

Episode Date: July 14, 2026

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It's Jackson, Claude and neighbor show the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off, swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy Tuesday? Yeah, okay, Tuesday. I hope everybody's having a great week so far. A little slow. A little slow, given that it's only Tuesday. It's kind of crazy.

Yeah, well, I feel like now, like, summer's really a swing, isn't it? Totally. Now that, like... The novelty has worn off. Also, now that my birthday's over and it's, like, kind of this, like, amazing day is behind us. Like, yeah, we can just settle into real life. Yeah, so that's what we're doing. I fell down such a Felsdown. Feltz down, such a Fia rabbit hole.

Like, there's obviously a community of women who care as much about this as I do, and it's actually way worse. Really? So there's two things. The first is that this, you know, incident, which they say they didn't know about, where they were like stealing money from,

like literally influencers. Like, if I give you an affiliate, their bug, like, it was on iPhone only. So basically, this little period of time was only over the course of the 2025 holiday season, which is like the highest time for online shopping. But also it was then, they cut it off in like January 2026. And that's when they pitched all those investors, those celebrity investors, with those numbers. So like literally that's also fraud to your investors,

like shopping around fake numbers. Yeah. So like I wonder what Mindy Kaling, Alex Earl has to say about it, you know? Yeah. It's really crazy. And then also like of course Alex Cooper's involved. So basically T, thank you to this girl who recapt it. I'm so sorry I forgot your name, but she did like a full, like she's like a real like tech founder content creator basically this woman who was like the president of honey you know honey the browser extension which i love also went through a little bit of a scandal where they were like stealing influencer affiliate links like a bunch of influencers actually sued them like a bunch of YouTubers it's still an ongoing core case according to my TikTok recaper but the woman who was a president of honey at the time um she's now with unwell and she like introduced the burnouts and like she was

the reason why they had a podcast on so like literally all roads lead back to Alex Cooper But like they're saying it's very nefarious. She was there. How do they know that? It was a big headline, by the way, when that unwell executive was hired. Okay. Because she's like this big way. Her name is Joana.

I actually remember the headline about it. I'm like, oh, that's cool. But how do they know they introduced to Vee? I think it was mentioned in an article. Like, it's not a secret. Okay. Okay. Oh, sorry.

And she's also on the board of Fia. Sorry, I forgot that. So she's on the board of Fia. She's a new president of while. She connected them. So there's like a lot going on over there. It's very interesting. So, because when I was thinking about it, I was like, this is just like a blip on the radar.

No, actually what the girl in my recap video said, not only it's like, it's such a big deal, it's actually a bigger scam than what Honey went through. And Honey is still inactive. Yeah. Because actually a judge throughout the YouTuber's claims being like, listen. No, but also, if I remember correctly with Honey, like, they would find you codes. So they would find influencer codes. And actually.

Okay. So what the lawsuit was is that, like, his YouTuber realized, he was like, I'm sending people to an affiliate link. And if those people have the Honey browser extension and then also click, like, yeah, sure, give me a code. The influencers is a filet. gets wiped out. Honey is the last person to affiliate. And so the judge was like, listen, that sucks. But the user is actively making the choice to click on honey. So you're just kind of getting screwed. So the YouTubers who had sued are now suing again for just like, not for money, but like for wrongful whatever. They should have split commission. Yeah, there should be something.

Commission for everybody. She was explaining my TikTok recap. Like whoever is the last tag on the link for affiliate, whether it's the influencer, whether it's Honey, whether it's Fia. But Fia, what they were doing was even worse because they were opening a second tab in the background and embedding. getting it on your computer or your phone forever. Like it wasn't just this one purchase. It was like all future purchases on this website. So what my recap was saying, like, this is actually a worse scandal. Oh, okay.

So it's not just a small cookie. Plus the defrauding of the investors, celebrity A-listers. That's really crazy. Oh, man. Because they started their big celebrity roundup, like right after they had these stellar numbers from the holiday season. Interesting that they stole them. Yeah.

They stole their stellar numbers. So we will keep your arrest as a leaving new source on the Fia scandal. But it will be keeping her foot on the neck. On the neck of female founders. As a female founder myself, I just expect more for my fellow female founders. There have been times where I have wanted to buy podcast reviews or buy followers. Like, sorry, it's a meritocracy out here. Like if no one's using your, which I've heard also, it's a terrible browser extension.

From people who use it in earnest, they were like, they were never getting me what I wanted. It's like, they're showing you where you can get this H&M shirt like secondhand. It's like, well, I knew I could get this H&M shirt secondhand, but like I wanted a new shirt. Yeah. You know? Yeah. So just like at its functional. functionality. I don't think it was like super helpful.

Got it. But this energy isn't just reserved for female founders. It can just be like humans, you know? Interesting point. You know what I mean? I feel like you're tough on the men too. Of course I am. Of course I am. It's not even, I'm not, I don't have a preference on like men or female founders. Like I'm tough on everyone. But like if you're going to be like a nepo billionaire like getting into the founder space, like you are held to a higher standard.

So it's for nepo founders? Definitely. Nepo female founders. I'm obsessed with like nepo flops. And I would consider Sophia Gates. now to be a nepo flopper. Still not her name. To have all the... Still not her name. Brooklyn Beckham.

Oh, what's her name? Phoebe. Yeah, whatever. To have all the power in the world. Like, we're always, you know, getting on Haley people. Well, she's a billionaire. Yeah. Can Brooklyn Beckham say the same?

Like, I love billionaire flop nepoes. Like, that's the best. Yeah. Like, you're so untalented. Like, all the resources in the world couldn't even help you. And there are people who, like, you know, grew up literally homeless and were able to do it. What does that say about you? No, and it's like, you don't even have to make money.

You don't. Just don't lose money. Don't steal money. Yeah. Like you could just spend money. Oh my God. What if we just spent money? That's a beautiful, beautiful take.

Like nobody said you had to make money. No. Rest on your laurels. Yeah. Also, the streets are saying today is the day that Paige Lawrence is getting married. Yes, that is what the streets are saying. I don't think it's a secret either. The girls are girling.

Like her friend posted she gets married tomorrow. And so like a Tuesday. I talk about that. Yeah. I feel like when your page Lorenz, like days of the week, are not really your problem. I totally agree, except for like your guests. Yeah, but like who's not going to go to her wedding that was invited?

And I also imagine she's having a small wedding. I also just like remember hearing, like learning growing up. There's like a Jewish thing that you should never get married on a Tuesday. Oh gosh, no. Is there something in Jewish law that says you shouldn't get married on a Tuesday? On a yomshaney. Yomshay. No, yom shishishi.

I don't know why I have this distinct memory. Or if she's getting married at the day, maybe she'll, she's safe. Right. Is it Arab? Is it Arab? She? I bet I'm having the same issue that you're having the chat where chat has like stuff. Oh no. In fact, it's the opposite. There's no Jewish law that says you shouldn't get married on a Tuesday. Traditionally Tuesday is considered an especially auspicious day for a wedding because in the creation book of Genesis, the phrase, Ketov, it was good, appears twice on Tuesday. That's why she's getting married Tuesday.

That's why she chose today. this whole time. So obviously I was remembering something. I was just remembering it wrong. Completely incorrectly. Like maybe my teacher said they say you should get married on Tuesdays, not shouldn't. Yeah. Maybe she was talking fast and you heard shouldn't. Is Paige Lorenz converting to Judaism? Perhaps. She's definitely like having a small charming wedding. Of course. Like I feel Carolyn Bissette energy. The vibes like right themselves, you know. A hundred percent. And that's so nice when you're so set in your vibes that like you don't have to wonder what will the vibe be. It's so true. I do feel vibeless. Like I like certain vibes.

vibes, but it's not like someone would see like a living room, like that room is so Claudia. You know what I mean? Unless there was like a podcast studio in the living room. Okay, that's a vibe. I am like certain. And you know what I feel like it's because I don't own a home. You know what I mean? Like your home is your vibe.

And that's where you cultivate your vibe. I'm just renting, you know? And you learn about your vibe. I think even Paige would have would say that too. Like she really learned about her vibe when she made the move from the big city and like bought a house. Does anyone else feel vibrous? Like I like certain things.

I don't like certain things. We were doing this with Chad Chbitty with you. I guess. Oh yeah. Right. I told Chad, I'm like, maybe, maybe Chad should have told me that you should buy a house. You went to therapy, like, looking for vibes with Chad. Yeah.

And now I realize, like, the issue is, is because I don't, like, I'm not settled. You think it's because you're not settled. Yeah. And that you'll have vibes when you're settled. Yeah. I think that makes sense. Yeah. Who needs a vibe when you're not settled?

I feel like I know my vibe. Because you own home. Yeah. I guess so. And that's where I've cultivated a lot. Even though I've started, like, I've always had a vibe, you know? Of course, but the home is where your vibe comes to life. Yeah.

And it comes to life in the home space, you know, like there's fashion vibes. Because Convo's giving job your love. I feel like we're making complete sense. Oh, if you've been listening, you get it. Like, you feel vibeless. I know what you mean. Yeah. And Paige Lorenz is vibeful.

A hundred percent. And her wedding will be full of that vibe. It will be. So I can just imagine what it will look like. I'm very excited for her mazzletop. And Tommy did go to Wimbledon. Oh. And they scheduled the wedding so that if he won Wimbledon, he could still get married.

Right. So just fact check on that. Good. We love holding each other accountable. But he obviously didn't want to win Wimbledon. He wanted to get home and prepare for the wedding. As a good husband should. 1,000%.

And you never, you don't want to be with the guy who wins Wimbledon. You just don't. No, no, no. You want to be with the guy who plays Wimbledon. Yeah, of course. Who moves every year. No, but those, those, like, Wimbledon winners,

like don't make good husbands. Those number ones, you don't want to be married to number one. Number three. Number three. Number one is always looking on for himself. Number one, like, can't fully commit to you. Because when you're like the goat at something, like that doesn't lend itself to being like a supportive partner. And like firing in all cylinders.

Yeah. Fire in one cylinder. But you want like number. Yeah. I would say like I wouldn't go below eight, but like I wouldn't go above three. I feel like 12 feels good too. 12. Yeah.

12 is good. 12 to 3. Um, because I think actually three is like a little high. I agree. 12 to 5. Yeah. And three has a complex about being three. You know, three is in the mix.

Three can get to the finals. 12 is having fun. Eight doesn't really get to the finals. You know maybe semi. Yeah. But like, okay. so you get that weekend's freed up. Yeah.

Once in a while you do make the finals and it's like so exciting. Yeah, just like everyone should be aiming lower. Yeah, I agree. So it's good he didn't win. Yeah. Today's show, because it's Tuesday, we have dear toasters, lots of girls ready. And, you know, today we're sort of, we're sort of taking on, I think, tackling an issue that's really hurting millions of Americans. And it's AI.

AI, like we had a budget. I only chose one. In what sense? Like AI generated porn. Oh. Yeah. Like deep fakes. things like that.

Like I think like a lot of men who were already like borderline. AI has just given them like, access to sort of like dark parts of the web. I didn't know that was happening. Yeah. Okay. I guess I'll wait to see. I guess I'll wait to see like what the issues are.

But as always, I tried to, you know, choose a wide range. Light, dark, AI, mother-in-law, you know. Well, we're back on schedule. Oh, did you do anything productive with your night off? No. I laid and bed.

me and Ben like we talked we were just like we were talking the whole time but like how amazing it was that like we were not watching love island and we just like we're watching funny videos like it was just like it was one of the most amazing nights I've had in a while that's great I did something crazy I started a book no I'm already reading a book you started a show I started a show oh which one which one guess out of everything that's like come out what do you think that I would start Guilded Age no okay I have everything that's come out like it's a new show yeah it's a new show L? Yeah, L.

It was good. So I'm in the middle of the pilot and then like Harry burst in. I need to sit in my bedside, I had to turn TV off. And I'm going to give it grace because it's the pilot. And I feel like they were trying to prove a point. They were trying to show how she is Elle. There were so many references to the movie that it was actually like overkill. And it was definitely like a little corny.

And it was hard because like L is not without fault, you know? Like L is with fault. And in the movie is she's actually without fault. She's without fault. perfect character. So you're saying you hated Elle. I didn't hate her, but like I wasn't rooting. I'm like, you're wrong in that situation.

You shouldn't just go up to like the senior girls and try and sit and have lunch with them. Like they don't want to sit and have lunch with you. Oh my God, calm down. Not you, Elle. That's crazy. And she's a junior and she's like, where do the cool senior sit? Like, girl, are you so shallow? Check yourself.

Elle's always had a heart of gold. She would never. It's true. And also I had seen clips like surfacing that really seemed to me for me that I wasn't going to watch it because I don't know if you've gotten there yet, but there is a love interest in the show. and it's like he's this like sort of troubled youth He's like a skater

Did you meet him? Oh, is the skater who crashed into her mom's car And has a locker next to hers? And he's like really goth looking But then she also crashed into a boy Like in the gymnasium And I think like he seems really sweet Yeah, I think that like

Did she have two? Yeah and I think she's like torn between the guy She actually likes which is like the skater Who's like the opposite of Elle's like aesthetic Got it and he was like definitely It's so comedy the show by the way Yeah no he was coming coming in Because he's in Seattle right

She moves to Seattle girls literally said they were like, we don't like people from California. And she was like, and Elle was sitting there and the senior girl's like, you guys don't care about stuff that we care about. Like the climate and social justice. That's what she said. Because she moves to Seattle, right? That's what she said.

Yeah, calming energy. Now Elle has to become a communist in order to fit it. I'm not interested. But I'm also not loving her capitalist vibe. It's like it's not a good look for capitalists either. Yeah. Maybe the true L lies somewhere in the middle. But I agree.

And then when she runs into that guy who I guess it's going to be her crush and like he's handing out flyers because he said the support staffs getting paid. Like not a support staff. I don't know. They said support staff. I imagine that people that work at the school are getting paid not a living wage. Well, that's wrong. That's wrong. Why is this talking about in L?

The junior's talking about it. Yeah. Like not them politicizing L. Like come on. No, it was just like it was so trying to shove in this agenda. Their messaging. It's like the commies versus the capitalist. And it's like, I don't want to watch that.

It sounds very heavy-handed, too. It's so heavy-handed. And why they have to be Seattle. And even like the vibes of Seattle are so heavy-handed. Everyone's wearing the same color. It's like very gray and blue. But like it's almost like a caricature of Seattle too. Right.

Everyone is like miserable and ugly. They're offended. If I'm from Seattle, I'm offended. Seattle has pretty people too. Oh, I just want to say I know a lot of people from Seattle. And they're not like pink-haired. People from Seattle could wear pink. A thousand percent.

So I think it's offensive. Yeah, right. Communists are offended. Capitalists are offended. Californians are offended. Seattleians. Yeah. And I just feel like they're just, they're making their bones off.

Like, Elle is the one who's going to have to break. And it's like, she's perfect. Yeah. You know? I haven't even really seen a lot about it. I think the casting, I think the girl is perfection. Oh, yeah. Even the way, when her parents tell her they're moving to Seattle, she starts crying.

And she cries like Elle in the movie. Like, there are so many little mannerism. she does that our hark back to Elle, like, nailed it with her. Well, that's good. Nailed it. She's a joy to watch. But, like, why are you wearing high heels on the first day of school in junior year? It's a good question.

And it's raining, and you're wearing a dress. Like, and high heels you're going to slip. Oh, so you stand with the commies? No, I'm just like, it's ridiculous. Yeah. It's ridiculous. You could have worn a pink rain boot. Well, you haven't really made me want to watch a show.

No, and it's only the pilot. And again, they definitely had to prove how it's going to be like, you know, legally blonde, like for real. Yeah. And I can imagine as the season goes on, like it has more heart, but right now it's just like, it's silly. Okay. But I will continue to try to watch if I have the time.

I don't even turn my TV on. Like, I'm just truly traumatized and loving life on the outside. Yeah. Same. We do have Love Island stories that cast out of the house. They've got their phones. Yeah, of course. This is where it gets fun, actually.

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dog, which is crazy for the Swifties. And I think like OG, like hardcore fans had seen the dog like once before. I mean like, whose dog is that? Maybe it's dog. Like Andrea Swift has dog. So like, people didn't assume that Taylor had gotten a dog. And like, I know if you're not a real Taylor Swift friend, you're like, okay, who cares? But it's actually a really big deal. She's a huge cat person. Like her personality has been cats. The cats are famous. I mean, she's, you can, you can, still be a cat person and have a dog, but like to also get a dog with a partner is a huge step. Yeah, I also feel like this is really emblematic of like how Travis has made an impact on her life. Like you make space for your partner and not everyone is a cat person.

I'm famously not. And I do feel like that will get in the way of my eventual friendship with Taylor. Because like she can never invite me over. Like I literally wouldn't go. No. Like I am petrified of cats. So obviously that's something I think about, but not to make this about me. You guys could get dinner at a restaurant.

Yeah, of course. No, she'd come to my house. Yeah. But I can never go to her house. Yeah. Well, unless like she's traveling without them. Yeah. And like, I'm sure they have their own handlers and such.

Well, cats are like really independent. Yeah, they won't bother you. Yeah. Not like a dog would. Well, I just feel like the fact that they got a dog obviously as a couple when you get a dog, obviously it's like the first step before you have a baby. So like it's a huge deal. Like we can look into that.

But also like I feel like it's just compromise, you know, Travis. Like this was totally Travis's thing. It was like big dog too. It's very beautiful. I feel like it's a small window into their marriage. Yeah. So Travis was spotted with the dog. he shares with his wife Taylor.

He's in Palm Beach. While arriving in Palm Beach, Florida over the weekend. Well, we know they spend a lot of time in Florida. And when they're there, he's usually training. So, I mean, it's training season. But like, is Taylor going to be in Florida? Probably. That's crazy.

She'll probably meet him there whenever she's done doing what she's doing. And what is she doing, you think? I don't know. Maybe some girl time. Maybe like some work. Even though I'm thinking a lot about Tiloas. And I feel like it was like the first time. ever that like Taylor didn't release an album on her own time.

Like she just releases albums like when they come to her and when they're complete. And they feel like there was so much hype around her and Travis. And you want to take advantage of like momentum like that. And it was the first album that I feel like was really incomplete and like not her best work. And it was also felt kind of rushed. And so take your time. I want to work on your schedule. I don't want you working on ours.

Yeah. There was like a big demand for her. Like we want the Travis songs. And it's like she was so famous at the time. And the era's tour just ended. And it was like, what is she going to do next? I feel like she rushed it a little bit. Well, I guess not even because of Travis songs,

but just because if she was doing a show girl album, like the show is ending. Right, so you got to like... Yeah, but it wasn't a showgirl album. And I don't think that that vibe was necessarily even the right one. So that's what I mean. I just felt like it was the first time,

like where I kind of missed the mark in a bunch of different ways. And it was because like it wasn't the right time. Yeah. Take more time. Yeah. It was like a short album. Which I don't mind a short album.

Not every album needs to be 40 songs. No. Certain artists. Like I do. do need your songs to be 40 songs. Like, and Taylor is one of them. But what it was billed as is not what it was. I was ready for and it was the right time for.

Like showgirl anthem, bop season, Shell bog and Max Martin. Oh, shell bog, right, of course. I forgot. You know what I mean? Like 12 blank spaces, as Travis said. Which it could not be further from. Like, I do blame Travis a little bit for the albums.

We don't need 40 blanks. Of course we need 40 big spaces, but nobody can do that. like 12 bops like showgirl ratata vibes and we got the life of a showgirl the song but beyond that like it was just a hodgepodge it was such a hodgepodge so hopefully she's writing music if not whatever it comes to you yeah I feel like the best I feel like her best works like folklore that were so well

like it was just like seriously a stream of conscience and like no rush she was like not needing because it was COVID it was just like what she wanted to do and I feel she's at a place where she can be more selective so you know what I will listen to the archives you've left us with so much material take your time yeah yeah are you ready for our next story i mean just back to the dog like what do we think the dog's name is bruno no like what's like shy sand brice she's all i wonder if she'll deviate because her two cats are named after famous women in media so okay it's olivia benson is the dog male or female i'll zoom in oh wow okay i guess yeah we can just figure it out like that

i'm not really seeing a pecker but so let's say and i feel like taylor maybe we'll keep consistent with like her girl pets. But I feel like it should be a dog. Oh, I see a tushy. Well, that's just sort of like a gender neutral. I feel like it's a girl dog. I mean a boy dog. I would, I would say it's a girl. What shows does Taylor watch? I feel like Taylor does watch a Gilded Age. Not that she would name someone like Mrs. Astor. But she does name her pets after like fictional. They all are? Yes. Actually, Benjamin is the third cat that she adopted from the music video. Is he Benjamin Button or is he just Benjamin? Benjamin Moore. I forgot about that third rogue cat. Who are the other cats, Olivia Benson? Meredith from Gray's Anatomy. I don't know.

Like, I think, I don't know the last name. What else does, what do we know Taylor to watch? Game of Thrones. Yeah. It's John Snow. This dog is John Snow. This dog is John Snow. This dog is John Snow.

That's a great call. See, I'm so good. We figured that out. Like, that's definitely the name. I think the dog was actually in Game of Thrones, like, as an extra. As a dire wolf. Yeah. Right, right, right.

Yeah. Oh, totally. Looks like a dire wolf. And Travis definitely loves Game of Thrones. Yeah. And that's something that they, have in common, like, given the fact that there's not everything that they have in common. Right. No, they definitely don't share a lot of, like, similar interest in TV shows.

I don't think Travis watches the Gilded Age. I could see him, like, getting into it because of her. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Our next story, Love Island USA's Trinity is breaking her silence after winning the show, and she's responding to some of the backlash. So the cast members have their phones back.

They're seeing everything that's going on. It must be. It must be. And Trinity put out a statement that I'm actually, like, very surprised by and very impressed by. Yeah, and all the Islanders shared it. Not the Islanders, like the core Final Four. So they all reshare Trinity statement. So Trinity, who is the most popular person from this season, is using her platform for good.

And this is like what you hope someone will do. And I remember last season at the reunion, like, they were mad at like Hooda or whatever because her fans were like attacking Elandria. And Shelly and like, you always like, can't you tell them to stop or whatever? And Trinity first minute out of the villa puts out a statement saying, coming out the villa, I want to say I'm very blessed and appreciative of the love and support everyone has given me. With that being said, I want to say the hate and ignorant comments some of you guys are doing regarding Zach is absolutely not okay and needs to stop. It's very disheartening and we are people

just like everyone else. We genuinely have love for each other inside and out of the villain. He's one of the most amazing people I've met. So please have some empathy. So yeah, it's actually hilarious and really speaks to the deep unwell nature of the Love Island voting block that like the person getting death threats hate so that the cast members needs to speak out about is Zach. Yeah. Well, like his worst crime was. just being like snarky and annoying. He was treated Ceda very well. Like, and there's a legitimate evil con man in the villa who's skating by, did you see his

mom's live? I didn't see it, but I heard about it. People are like really understanding, like, why sincere is the way that he is. Because he has like a crazy mom who was like saying really mean things about Ariana and like the other islanders and just like being like, obviously like my baby, my baby, my baby, my baby. And I think about your baby's legit evil. So it's hilarious that like Zach is the one who is the focal point of everyone's

like mad, like everyone's hate. when there's like an actual person worth hating just sitting there. I don't even think Melanie, like I know there was like a lot of brands being like, Melanie will give you free flights for life if you like leave sincere. But I don't think that like people are, I know they voted for Melanie and sincere because they wanted the core four in the final four. But like I don't even think like sincere maybe even really knows. From what I understand like reading tweets and stuff, people voted for Melanie and sincere because

they love Melanie. Yeah. And she'll come out of the villa and see, no, we weren't rooting for you and sincere. We were rooting for you. It's not like, it's not Melanie Island. It's love island. We're voting for couples. And there's like a terrible couple here.

But it's like the way that Amaya won, even though who's Brian. Exactly. Exactly. They voted for Melanie, even though he hates sincere. It's a popularity contest and it's never about the couples. It's always about the people individually. And that's like so frustrating. It's the total opposite of the show.

Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise, Molly may. It's nice that everybody has Zach's back and probably speaks to like what we didn't see. Because he is like annoying. Like I get it. But it is so nice to come out of the villa. Use all of your popularity.

Everybody loves you. And the first thing that you have. have to do is defend your friend. Like most people wouldn't do that. I think this speaks so highly of Trinity and like such like a leader mentality. And that's why she was so popular in the villa. Everyone reposted it. And like I don't know. I just she could have said in a couple days. She could have never said it. It's not her job to defend. She's not even her boyfriend. Like she most people would never say anything. But like for it to be the second sentence in her statement of things, I think is really gracious. I agree. It's a really good look for Trinity.

I also think like the people like listen to Trinity. Like a lot of people like I could tell my to stop but they won't yeah like I actually think that they will yeah and why don't you try telling your fans to stop and see what happens correct selina selina what if you just tried hoda Sabrina yeah yeah yeah yeah so crazy yeah so this she's setting a great like this is this is being a good example for women yeah also some not news but like people are speculating that Kenzie will go on dancing with the stars and I just want to to put that out there and that she 100% should. Absolutely.

And it would really only be this season because like this is her year, like this is this season of Love Island's year. Like the full cast hasn't been announced yet, right? No. Like we know that there's like Sierra, Mora, bananas. Right, right, right. Oh wait, that's such a great idea. Yeah.

I hope that she gets it. I just like been putting that out there for her. Yeah. She is on call her daddy. Did you come out? No. Okay. It's like a long lead time.

It comes out on Wednesdays, right? I guess, yeah. Also, like, I feel like since coming out of the villa, like she's having a good, you know, first few days. The reception has been positive. Which I'm so happy for her. And I feel like Dylan's now like bought in again to his relationship. He's like making content, like supporting her going on college. Shut up.

No, I agree. Like if you didn't like her at her worst and now you, of course, love her at her best. Yeah, I agree. He doesn't give me like the best. Yeah. When he was also like, my God, like, how many times this is sincere have to apologize? It's like, are you fucking serious? You literally made the Kansas.

apologize a thousand times you would not let her go and what she did was like literally not a big deal compared to the actual evil person. Since he said that I'd been really off of him he's like oh my god that was crazy that he said that what are they going to like let it go was sincere I'm like are you fucking serious you like talk about beating a dead motherfucker horse you wouldn't let it go with kensie and she didn't do anything wrong kensi operated in earnest correct like I think that's been once she's left the villa people even people who had a problem with her like she's just a really sweet girl and I think that's coming through so people are like they're letting up on her yeah which I'm I'm happy to see me too um yes kensi on

Yeah, because if it doesn't happen this year, it's never going to happen. So just, like, sort of manifest that for her. I would like that for her. Yeah, even though, like, Love Island has not been, like, a pool of people that the dancing with the stars people pluck from. This is the first time, that's because she was on traders, like. But it's also, like, Peacock and ABC. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But I think that she should. I mean, like, Sierra's going to be on and she's after son. Right. Right. No, I would love, that's a great, great choice. I'd be really happy for her, because I do think she also got screwed.

She didn't. She didn't. She didn't get to do her, uh, her what, that one heart rate challenge. This would be so much, so much better than that. Totally. Oh my God.

I saw the craziest thing. Do you know Joe, grocery store Joe? Did you see this? So, you know, him and his wife, like, posted their sponsored Ponovo scans. Like, you know,

you do the full body scans and everybody's, like, and he posted a video. He was like, I never posted my results because they found it like a lesion in my brain. And it's like the size of a blueberry and he has to get surgery next week

to like remove that it could be a tumor. They don't know what it is, but it has to be removed. Is that crazy? I know. And then once I, I saw that. Then I saw all the old content of like him and Serena like posing out there pre-neva. Like you just never think those things are going to go that way.

Wow. I know. Really sad. Oh my goodness. Yeah. I hope it's nothing. Next story. Some crazy news in the podcast world.

Comedians Tom Segura and Christina Pizzis. Christina Pee. Christina P. Yes. Split after 18 years of marriage. So Tom Segura from Two Bears, One Cave Podcast and your mama's house. your mama's house, which he hosts with his wife. With his wife, Christina P, who's a comedian.

Who has an amazing comedy special on Netflix. She does, like, a lot of mom content. I, they have been married for 18 years. They have, how many kids, four, two, two kids. And now they're splitting. Shocked. It takes so much to shock me. Like, for so many reasons.

One, like, they're so embedded in work together. Like, what does this mean for your mama's house? Like, two, like, you've been married for 18 years. Why are you getting divorced? Like, at that point, like, seriously stay together. Yeah. And I think their kids are kind of young. They are.

Even though they've been married for a while, they have younger. They're like toddlers. Not toddlers, but like 10, like under 10. Really? Yeah. The way she talks about them. Born in 2016, so a 10 year old in 2018. 8 year old.

Okay. I'm just shocked by this. Yeah. Like, I don't want to speculate, but like when you... Like to me, this is more shocking than like bunny and jelly. A thousand percent. But it's not getting that treatment. Because they're like just a little bit more niche.

Yeah. But I'm, I'm shocked. Because also, like, he hosts with Bear, Bert, Bert, and they're always

talking about, like, marriage is it's very much like a female kind of toast show, like where they just talk about, like, they pre-fass by banter.

Yeah, yeah. And when I watched the clips, I'm like, always shocked at how derogatory Bert is about his wife. I'm like, if that's me,

like, he talks about her, just like, gross. I'm like, that's disgusting. And I always notice how Tom, like, I always felt like if

either of them were going to get divorced, it was never going to be Tom. Yeah. I'm shocked. And I don't even listen to their podcast, but I think that they're like, their bears or whatever they call their fans.

Like, they must be flipping. It's a really big deal. It is a really big deal. And it's sad too. I need to know what happened. Like, not to be nosy, but like what, I know.

Like, what happened? I do feel like something had to happen because, like, everything is just very aligned. And there's 18 years of alignment. Their business. Like, they have a podcast network. Like, they work together a lot.

Yeah. I wonder if they'll be able to work together still. They might be one of those couples. Oh, God. Please don't become like Janet Kramer and that guy who are like screaming at each other on the podcast. Like, if you're one of those couples that like, no hard feelings,

we're going on our separate ways, we couldn't still work together. So much respect for you. And then you also have two kids and there's every reason in the world to stay together, stay together. So I just don't feel like it's that. No, I'm shook by this news.

Yeah. Your lipstick. Yeah, sure. I noticed that in yesterday's episode I wasn't wearing any lipstick. So now I'm going to be reapplying every five minutes because like in the clips I just like sickly. Nothing will make you look more terminally ill

than not wearing lipstick. I don't know. I need like a lipstick that's just easier to put on, I guess, like, that I could just keep reapplying. Because that was not a good look for me. Good. Really not my color. It's everybody's color. You think? Yeah, it's like a nice pink. Well, think about Jackie, she's going to buy a buck some lip product. Oh, I am. You're single handling like keeping them in business. I don't own a single buck. I don't even know how much because they send me a lot for free. So like they're losing money. Actually, I do buy it anytime I'm at like anywhere.

anywhere they sell it because they don't sell it everywhere so when they sell it, I buy it. Random niche brand. Is it? It's my favorite brand. They only sell it at Sephora at the front. No, and not even every Sephora. Like my local Sephora doesn't sell it. I have to go to Ulta.

I only see it at the cashier where they sell all those like little like chapsticks and stuff. Yeah. So yeah, news that shocked me. This like very surprising. Yeah. I need to know what happened. Yeah, same.

Same. Well, they both do a lot of content. So like between the specials and the books and the podcast. Yeah, Jackie read his book. I did read his book. It was really good. It had like a book of short stories. It was so good.

I tried to make you read it. I started it. And it wasn't bad at all. Like I was enjoying it. But, you know, sometimes things happen. Yeah, life gets in the way. It's true. I would totally recommend it like a comedian short story book like Tom Segura.

Check it out. Segura. So anyways, also say they do a lot of content. I feel like the truth will slip out. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully it's not like animus animosity. Hopefully there's no animosity.

That's a good way. roundabout. Are you ready for our fourth story, which is just like some weird crazy news, but um, Jack's Taylor has been spotted cozying up. You guys, the Bravo universe is shook the fuck up by this. Okay, let me tell you what it is that they're shook up by. Jacks Taylor was spotted cozying up to his and Brittany's longtime publicist in steamy vacation snap. So if you're like a Bravo reality TV follower, the name Lori KPR means something to you. A thousand percent. She reps everyone, The Bachelor people. She's also just like a young hot thing.

So like she's always in pictures with people. You're like, oh, who's that? It's a publicist. She's always there. Yeah. And she was, she's always public. She's a lot of high profile clients. But she represented Brittany and Jacks together, like, through a lot.

So I feel like, I don't know who her other clients are at this moment. But I remember she was a publicist for like Dylan Barber and Hannah G. Dylan Barber yelled at Margo Australia over this weekend. Did she tell you that? No. Yeah, Margo went to search lodge and she got yelled out by Dylan Barber. Tell me. Start from the beginning.

Literally, I walked into her room. I'm like, how was your night? She's like, I got yelled at by Dylan Barber. She said he apologized, like, hours later. But, like, you know, Sirfodge, it's very tight. The table next to Margo, like, was Dylan Barbers with Hannah. I saw they were in the Hamptons this weekend for SETI. And there was somebody at that table.

Joe and Serena were there. There was somebody at that table that Margot wanted to say hi to. And so Margot went over. She's like, chit-chat. I don't know. She didn't mention it, so it wasn't important. Chit-chatting. And, like, trying to leave, like, make her way away back to her table.

It's, like, very tight. And he literally comes over and he's like, you need to move. like, fucking excuse me. She said that he was like basically being Olivia Ashtray. Like, you know, when we used to go clubbing and someone is encroaching on your table.

Olivia Asherry was our security guard. And it's like, well, Olivia can do that. Like a man yelling at a woman. Yikes. And Margaret was like, are you fucking serious? And she just like left. And then later, like hours later, they were at a different place.

And of course, Margot's table ended up being right next to him again. And Margaret was like, that guy like yelled at me. And he came over. Who did you say it to? She told someone and then he learned of his behavior. Yeah, I think it was like Tinks, Tinks and her crew. And Tinks's crew was like, let's get him to apologize.

And he did. Oh my God. So Dylan Barber, yelled at Margo. That's so crazy because if you're like the known person at the table, don't do the dirty work. Yeah, I wouldn't say he's like that known though. No, but he is. We're talking about him. Yeah, yeah, because we used to watch a bachelor.

We're talking about him. And so like if your name would be known, like let your friend from home do it. A thousand percent and he came over and he was just like, I'm so overwhelmed. Like everybody was like in her space. Like he had like his reasons, but like, I don't know. Like yelling at a random girl is like such a bad look. And she wasn't random. Well, I think maybe he put it together and like that's why he apologized because like her sisters are

going to talk about another podcast. Are going to drag you on her podcast. I didn't need to bring that up. Thank you so much. Oh my God. Did she not tell you that? No, she didn't. And that's like really a bummer for me because like I like them as a couple.

Yeah. And I don't want to stop, you know? Um, yeah. I mean, I don't have like, this doesn't affect my life. whatsoever. It won't affect my life. I'm going to keep going, but like, obviously. Just I'm going to keep in the back of your mind. It's not the best look. Dillabar y'allelot at your sister. Well, Lori Kay at one point did rep them. She might still. Yeah, I remember she wrapped my favorites, Balacolay, right? Balacolay. Blacolay. Blacolay got married. Yeah, I know they have babies.

Well, they have, yeah, but they got married. They just got married. Lay courtsman, we're talking about. Lay courtsman and Gianni and Gea Belli from the first season, the best season of Love is Wine. So true. So she's just like kind of a high profile reality star publicist. I feel like we've interfaced with her a couple of times like when Jacks has been on the podcast. So they were spotted like on vacation, right? Yeah. The TMZ obtained a video of them having a very animated conversation while sitting pool side.

They're in the pool together, you know, wrapped up in each other. And there's this Twitter account that like comes across. People think that like Jacks runs it. It's called Justice for Jax Taylor. And anytime like there's Jackson related news, hold on, I have to find it because they tweeted this. morning. Okay, ready? They tweeted this morning. You're going to crack up. Hold on. I'm looking forward to cracking. No, no, you are. Okay, ready. Fantastic, if true. They

responding to the TMZ tweet. Fantastic if true. At Mr. Jacks Taylor, amended man is coupled with a wonderful woman that's known him personally and professionally for years. Lori is tough, grounded, and a cheerleader for the man's success. Join me in championing this potential couple. A plus. I just want to say. Like, they make it, they do make a good case. There's more. Two drop dead gorgeous people, finding love after endless years of getting to know each other. No secrets, no skeletons, just pure vulnerability and understanding. This is magnificent. This I can get behind.

This made my summer. Cheers to Mr. Jacks Taylor. They make a good case. I'm not saying like I agree with them, but they're painting like a very beautiful image. Yeah. Of like this person who's like, seeing him at his worst. They took a picture of Jacks and they wrote this. The face of a man who has looked adversity in the eyes and said, you will not win.

This man took lick after lick from Bravo fans From his cast friends And guess what? Mr. Jackson is thriving mentally and visibly Soon a man will be back where we want him On the silver screen Oh wow And the person's bio is he's paid the price

Dot dot dot treat him fairly This is really crazy So I guess like Brittany had also like Heard rumors about them like years ago And ignored them not saying that they've been like together for years But obviously like there's been something like between them That now they're able to act on Yeah, I don't think there's anything nefarious.

And she kind of looks like Brittany, I just want to say. I don't think that there was overlap. And technically there's like nothing wrong with this. No, but like as a public, I guess she likes Jacks more than she cares about like her name and her career. Because as a publicist, this is a bad look like not only like is Jacks one of like the most hated people and. And partners, you know, like specifically like as a partner. Like you could have him on your TV show because he's like funny and like villainous and whatever. But like as a partner, like everybody hates him.

Yeah. But also like he's a client of yours. so like you're blurring this line. She's a client of yours too. It's just like looks very, very messy. It's a huge risk. And she's risking it all for love of Jacks. Yeah.

So maybe it's true love. Yeah. Well, it better be. Like the Bravo universe was not okay by this. It is so out of left field. And it's very shocking. It's really crazy. Yeah, especially because like she's seen him at his absolute worst,

like that she would find all of that attractive. The thing is I'm shocked that they're still working together. I don't know if they're currently working together. But like back in the day when we used to do a lot of Bravo. I feel like her name came up a lot and she was like representing a lot. Like the fact that they're still working together as publicist and client is really a testament to perhaps their cutection. Or like she's just a really good publicist. Yeah.

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You're welcome. Our fifth and final story, Ariana Grande alters her thank you next lyrics at her New York City tour stop after being spotted with her ex-Ricky. So we were just talking about the Ricky lyrics. Now I listen and laugh. Live it a mind he's trash. Except she just performed at Barclays and she changed that lyric again to wrote some

songs about Ricky. We always find our way back. I feel like, feel like she's like baiting everyone. She's so not dating Ricky. I like so don't care. Actually, she probably is dating Ricky.

Like, she just has the worst track record. I feel like if I'm a guy, like I actually don't want Ariana Grande to date to date me because I feel like that means I'm awful. Like she only dates the worst guys. Like I just, I really can't.

I feel so torn about her actually. Like, whenever I think about like really what she's been through, I'm like give her grace. But like, I'm sorry. I think she's just like so grace and she's such a bad role model. Like she really is.

But it's like I would be too if I've been through half the shit that she'd been through. you know, I don't know. Yeah, I feel like she's just using this guy because she doesn't want to be alone. And like, sure, they're probably like hooking up right now or whatever. They're not getting back together in any meaningful way. He's just like a stop on the way to the next, whoever the next person is who will be like, you know, I don't think she really goes backwards, like in terms of like taking X's back.

I feel like she did get back with Big Sean a couple of times. Did she? I don't have that recollection. Maybe not, maybe not. He like broke up with her and then found the actual love of his life and never broke up and they're together forever. Gen. I go. Yeah. So I just feel like she's using Ricky and he's happy to be used.

Like great. I get to hang out with Ari. Yeah. I mean, that's exciting for him. Yeah. It's always fun, you know, big pop star. And she's like probably trying to like just like show her, like, you know, have a moment. Because she can't say listen and laugh to like Ricky songs because she was just with him. So that's like weird. I just like. You hang out with something you laugh at?

I can't report on Ariana Grande. Like I'm so, I'm not able to be completely unbiased. And I also don't really know how I feel Because part of me, like I said, like I think she's a bad role model And I just like really don't have love for her But then also like when you think about all she's been through It's like how can you even say one crossword about her honestly? I think that you can

I don't know like Manchester or Mac Miller like I don't know Actually like I don't like choosing stories about her honestly Yeah And then of course like the whole anorexia thing It's like are we saying it? Are we not saying it? I'm personally saying it what? Lily James

That's not her name Lily J. I'm like Lily Jay I'm like, Lily James from Cinderella. Lily Jay, of course. Of course. No, and obviously Ricky's not the one for her because he's not married and he doesn't have like anything to lose.

So like that's obviously not of interest to her. So we'll just see. I just, I actually can't talk about her. And he's donuts guy. And you know what? She shouldn't date him just because it brings back donuts into the conversation. And also like why does she want to be thought of as dating Ricky again?

Like that was such a bad time. It was a bad time. But it's also like not a good look for her to like not be alone for two seconds. Yeah. After like a serious relationship that you broke up a family for. Insane. So like she should want us to think she's single, not like messing around with Ricky. I'm no therapist, but she obviously has like some sort of like fear of being alone.

Yeah, which is fine. Like you don't have to be alone if you don't want to. And she certainly like, she doesn't want to. She can pay people to be around her. But like let us think that you're like, you know, healing. Don't sing a song about it. And like, and bait like, oh yeah, miss my new man. Like that's not a good look for you.

It's not because like don't bring up your dating life to me. And then it turns out to be the old man who you hated America with. And you licked donuts with. And like we're celebrating America 250. Like we don't want to hear how you hate America. We're celebrating America 250. Like the whole donut saga doesn't align with the current vibe. So you shouldn't go back to that saga.

Because it's coming up. We're talking about it. It is. She should stay away from him. And certainly like she wants to hang out with him like do it in private and don't sing about him. Yeah. My advice. That was also a bad look for Bowen Yang.

He was like her spokesperson like saying it's the timeline. Like what you guys think is not real? And then like Lily Jay like wrote an article with the timeline. It's like, okay, so what are you talking about? Yeah. But like you know what? I'm fine with people blindly defending their friends. I guess.

I hope someone would do that for me. Right. But I wouldn't put you in that position. Break up a family. Right. I won't put you in that position. But like I'm fine with like not holding your friends accountable. Like that's sometimes you should.

But like sometimes you shouldn't. Okay. Sometimes just. support them. Wow. Okay. Well, that's actually a great segue into Dear Toasters, which is our weekly advice segment. If you ever want to write in, email us, Dear Toasters at gmall.com, or head over to our website, thetoastpodcast.com. Scroll down, there's a little submission box. Both methods totally anonymous. All right, are you ready? Mm-hmm. This one's sunny. Hey, Swirleys, I need to tell you if I should be offended or not. I need you to tell me if I should be offended or not. I work very

closely with one of my coworkers. We've been best friends for many years. I received to save the date to her wedding last year. Well, the wedding is coming up, and I'm realizing I was not actually invited. The other co-workers were, do I say something? Is it common to send a save the date and not an imitation? There has been some tension and weirdness very recently. I'm unsure if I should say something or ignore it and let it go to preserve our working relationship. But this is super rude, right? Sincerely, a confused and kind of offended toaster. So it's weird. It's offensive. Yep. However, I don't think you should say something because this is the workplace. Yeah, and I think a lot of people these days, like get their work friendships,

they get confused. Conflated with real friendships. Like sometimes you meet your best friend for life at work, but a lot of times, like, people are taking their work friendships a little too far. And in a situation like this, like, she's made it clear. You said there's weirdness. Like, she invited you to save the date and then she didn't invite you to the wedding. Like, she doesn't like you anymore. And so, yeah, you could like make it weird in the workplace or just like continue just.

Like, work friendships don't need to be mended. Yeah, agree. You know? Like, how about you just forward me that email and we'll keep it moving? How do you just circle back by EOD? Yeah. Like, send the memo. Have you ever gotten to save the date and not invited to the wedding?

I have once. it does sound familiar but like... Yeah, I think we both did. Oh, interesting, that's not what I was thinking. Yeah, what were you thinking? I don't know why. It sounds familiar.

You know, it happened to me once. And to be honest, like, normalize changing your mind. Like, I didn't really care, but you know me. I notoriously hate weddings. Yeah. But this is a work friend.

If this was your friend from high school and you felt like things were weird and you thought you should be invited this wedding, of course, like, you know, try and have a conversation about the relationship, not even about the invitation because like this is, like,

she's got a lot on her plate and like, it's like $100 per person. So like, sorry, you're not like, you're not worth $100. So like, work friendships don't need to be mended, you know, like I'll see you at the all hands. You need to get that bumper sticker. Like, we're all just coexisting. I'll see you at the all hands and I'm clocking out at five o'clock. Like, bye.

Yeah. I think it's really messy to have like work best, best, best friends. And certainly not like conversations about your work friendship. Yeah. So just you're good. And now you know. Listen, she saved you because you almost got in too deep with a coworker. Now you know, knowledge is power.

Fuck that bitch. Like that's it. She said what she said. All right, next up. He swearlies. My husband and I are coming up on our first wedding anniversary and have thought about booking a boudoir photo shoot and surprising him with some steamy pictures.

I was looking at the photographer's website and checking out her portfolio when I came across a spicy photo of my mother-in-law. Now, while I'm not judging her by any means, I'm concerned because I find it extremely hard to believe that she would have consented to those photos being public. Not only does she seem extremely out of character for her, but I also think she'd be mortified if she knew

I just stumbled across those. but also she's gone through a major weight loss transformation since those photos, which just makes it even harder to believe that she knows these are public. My question is, do I bring it up to her to make sure she's aware that they are public, or do I just act like I never saw those photos and move on with my life? Sincerely, a toaster who's just trying to do the right thing.

I'm like, what are you doing? What are you doing? How do you find yourself in the situation? I feel like she didn't do anything wrong. No, but like she was just driving herself in the situation. It's kind of a crazy coincidence. I'll say that, but I guess maybe it's a small town and there's only like one or two boudoir photos shoots.

And it's like, you know, they say you marry your mother. Yeah. Well, the thing is, you know, I saw this, people were talking about this on TikTok the other day. Like how, you know, when they go to the hair salon, they're like, person's always taking pictures of them. And it's like, you know, you're in a hair salon. You would never feel uglier than when you do with that thing wrapped around your neck and you're looking in the mirror. And it's like, some people are like, well, this person needs social media to do their job and like, you know, be a friend. But also like, like, am I getting a discount for my services? So I think, like, the whole conversation about like vendors and needing. And I get it. Like, you need social media content in this day and age, like, promote your business, especially if it's like beauty or whatever. But like, yeah, where is the discount? It's true. It has to be an exchange. It's so true. It's a conversation people are having it. It's really interesting.

I think it happens a lot with like last text. It's like, well, I'm coming to my appointment looking like a mole rat. And like you wanting to photograph like, I don't know about that. Especially like there's an incentive for you, but what about for me? Yeah, and I'm paying for the appointment. So like maybe your mother-in-law got a discount. And if she did it, like I'm sorry, Boudoir. No, no, no.

I think I don't think she got a disc-cats. Like, I think that's a separate thing that you're saying. And it just like speaks to a larger issue. But no, I think that like when you hire a photographer, like unless you specify, like I do not want my photo shared, which most people don't because they just don't think about it. They might share your photos. I don't know. I think that if you're somebody who photographs like newborn babies and you do something sensitive like a boudoir, it's not, yes, most photographers, so I'm doing your engagement party where it's an assumption that I'll put you on my website. You'll be on my Instagram, unless explicitly said otherwise.

But boudoir is a very sensitive nature. And like it is in a contract that you probably signed and didn't look at. But the question here is like, should she tell her mother-in-law? I don't know. Not directly. And then also it's like, it's like if you tell her and she's thinking about you. No, no, no. And she knew.

And it's like, well, why did you think you needed to tell me? She definitely doesn't know. And she definitely should know. I feel sick. It's just like, you know what? It's a perfect anonymous letter. No. How do we tell her?

She deserves to know. She definitely doesn't know. Like, I guess it also depends what your relationship is. because maybe you just like sit her down the next time you're sitting down and be like, by the way, or you could be like, come at it like so oblivious.

Did you like working with this photographer? I'm thinking about doing a couple photos and I saw you on her website. That's good. Not saying it's good or bad that you're on her website, but letting her know just dropping the information. Yeah. But then you have to admit

that you're doing a Boudoir photo shoot for her son, but like seriously. Does she do any other photos? Like I feel like it's a really niche. Okay, so you're doing a Boudoir photo shoot. Jackie, that's amazing advice. Yeah. Like, you could even text her the link,

be like, do you like working with this photographer? I mean, that's really crazy. But if you guys are like semi in a good spot, like that's a night. Like, if I saw you were using a service, I literally did. Yeah, yeah. I said, once look for a makeup artist.

I saw you on her page and I sent it to you and I said, did you like her. And I said, yes, I did. And then I use them and I like them. Yeah, right. Brittany, right? The, yeah. Yeah, no, no, no, the hair and makeup in Dallas.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like, that's a great. That's like a normal way of going about it. It's very normal. Send the link via text. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's so good. I realized I didn't choose any of the AI porn ones.

I obviously was like not in the mood. So sorry for teasing. This one's like a little bit of sourdough drama. Oh, I love sourdough. Hey, Swirley's. I learned how to be sourdough a few years back while I was on maternity leave and I've been hooked ever since. It's really helped me form an identity outside of my own, outside of being a mom.

It feels like she's found a vibe. I started selling to my local neighborhood via HOA Facebook group. I've actually had great success. It's not my full-time job or anything, but it's how I'm how I paid for my kids Christmas and Hanukkah. I love teaching people how to make sourdough. So when my neighbor asked, I of course said yes. She's also one of my good friends and all of our kids are in the same class together.

We've spent the last couple of holidays together. I gave her some of my starter, which I've titled Dopamine. I spent hours answering her questions. I even created a PDF with photos on how to feed it and how to make her first loaf. Days after she made her first loaf, I got a text from some of my customers with a screenshot of her posting on our HOA Facebook group selling her bread and giving me credit for teaching her. Clearly the neighbors were a little confused too. I didn't realize I needed half a mile non-compete before giving her some of my dopamine.

I'm super proud of the little business I built and I've worked hard to gain these customers over the years. I just know things will be weird now between us. Am I being dramatic? Please help. You're not being dramatic. Like that is weird. And also like her giving you credit like is very duplicitous because you're not giving credit.

You're letting everyone know it's the same bread. Like you like this bread come get it for a dollar less. Yeah. It's very. But if she didn't give you credit, that would also be weird that she's just like stealing your business idea and she took your starter. But it's like trained by Sally, you know.

Yeah. But I will say what, like, she's definitely not making as good of bread as you because it takes like time to like hone your skills and like, you know, get your. It's crazy to just learn how to make sourdough and then start selling immediately. Like you have to be making it for years. Seriously, ew. I feel like you're in a place where you could start selling now, but I don't know if I would have said that. Like, no, of course.

I wouldn't want to sell. I wouldn't like think that I have something or selling. So like the cream rises, stay the course. It's also like very hard, laborious time consuming. She'll give up. She will give up. Yeah, it's also, you need to come to sourdough earnestly. And if you're coming with the intention only to sell it, that's not a pure place.

Not at all. That will reflect in your bread. There's no love in your lobes. It will taste like greed. And also what is the ethics on like taking someone's starter and then selling? Selling it. I think if you took someone starter and like you started a micro business, but like it has to, it's not like you just take someone starter and then the next day you start a business.

Like it has to happen organically. It has to. No, no, but like that's just weird. And also it takes time for you to like learn your. skills as a sourdough maker. So if it happens organically, like, say Olivia, like, she has my starter and she, like, in a, like, at some point started like a micro bakery. That's what they're called. I guess that wouldn't be weird. But that's also your sister. Different. Okay. Anyone that I gave my starter to, if they, like, were making bread for a while,

like love making it, have time. For a while. You're right. Wanted a side hustle. It's the time. Yeah. But you can't just, like, take it and then start selling. One, because, like... Her bread's going to suck. Seriously, you should encourage it so that people get her loves, hate them, and never buy from her again. Yeah. I wouldn't be worried. Keep doing what you're doing. Keep doing what you're doing. That sounds so cute and so fun.

Like, love that. Yeah. No one's so great to have like a side hustle earn some extra cash. She's favorite all of our kids' Christmas gifts with it. I love seeing like when people find like creative amazing ways to like earn extra cash. Like I feel like I see so many like Etsy sellers of people just doing like the smartest like have you seen these people who make like you send them your baby like your babies one of their pajamas from when they were a baby. They make it a quilt?

No. That's like yeah. That's another great thing. You send them pajamas from. when they were a baby, and you send the birth weight. And they fill the pajamas with, like, pebbles to get the same weight. And then they put, like, you know, it's like a bear, like a stuffed animal. And then you have, like, your baby, their weight and, like, in their pajamas.

That's really cute. That's so smart. I saw, have you seen the people who make, like, rings out of breast milk? I have seen breast milk jewelry. Yeah, where it's like they put, like, they basically, like, dehydrate your breast milk and becomes powder. And they, like, put it in, like, a little glass pearl or whatever and put the pearl on a ring. And you can, like, shake your breast milk around. It's so, like, people.

get so creative. Yes. I think a lot of it is like women who are like stay at home moms who like just have a passion. They're like artistic and they end up like creating a lot of revenue for their family. Yeah. I love that. I love it too. I'm always so impressed. Yeah. Etsy. I've been talking about Etsy a lot. Yeah. It's amazing. So many people are so creative. That's what you learn like on the voice. So many people have good voices, you know? Yeah. No, I was shopping on Etsy last night. Oh for like a ceiling medallion. Classic. For a chandelier. And there was beautiful things. Like homemade. Homemade. Homemade. I love that. Well, thanks to everybody

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