The Toast - In Lieu of Flowers, Send Cameos: Tuesday, March 25th, 2025

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

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Welcome back to The Toast. They sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy Tuesday. I'm honored and humbled to be sitting down with one of the nicest kids in town. Hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo. That's right, it's Jackie O, my co-host, my sister, Queen, but also recipient of a Nikki Blonsky cameo as of, you know, 10.30 a.m. this morning.

Good morning, Turdia. Every day's like a Blurdia. You know that it's like literally killing me inside that you're the one who got a Nicki Blonsky cameo. And like my direct correlation to Nicki Blonsky is the correlation that's going viral. Considering like you've always had such a warm place in your heart for Nikki and Tracy.

More so Tracy. And is it killing you that like Bruno got a shout out from Nikki Blonsky, like Nikki Blonsky knows Brew. I don't wanna be rude, but like basically, you know, Shannon Ford, you know, influencer, comedian, fellow podcaster on the Toast News Network, she listens to the toasts like a good friend should, you know, and she thought it would be listened to the toast like a good friend should,

and she thought it would be funny to get Jax a cameo from Nicki Blonsky. More than that, she stayed at my house last week and she was gonna send me flowers as a thank you. And in lieu of flowers, she got me a cameo from Nicki Blonsky. So it wasn't just like, should I get Jax or Claude a cameo?

I think they think it's funny. No, and of course, and I don't wanna like, of course, yuck. No, but like I earned my gift. I wanna like, of course, yuck. No, but like, I earned my gift. I feel like I'm a good friend to Shannon too, you know, in other ways. Yeah, and maybe she'll get you a gift. She gave you that ring that one time. I feel like you're still dining on that.

I do, I wear it all the time, except my jewelry and holographists. But I was deserving of a gift for my hospitality. No, and I hate to make like your gift about me, you know? But I just wanted to say- But just know there was a reason why I got it. Of course, of course, of course, of course. I am the one.

That would be like me getting a cameo for Meghan Markle, you know? Yeah. No, it would actually be like me getting a cameo. This is the exact similarity of that actor who was in the bold type and is like in all your favorite shows that gets canceled. Richard Page.

Of course you know his name. Like that's the equivalent of like a lifelong obsession. Yeah, no, but it'd also be like you getting a cameo from like Kelly Clarkson. Like we're both so obsessed, but if we have to go back to the Genesis, like I am more obsessed. But if you got a cameo from Kelly, like you met Kelly,

like, I mean, I'm just, you know, I would just be happy for you as all. Yeah, we're different people and that's okay. Now I know one of your least favorite things actually is receiving cameos. You find it but clenchingly awkward. So walk me through the experience of you receiving this cameo.

So yes, I have said multiple times, like receiving a cameo is a horrible experience. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. Let me tell you, Nikki Blonsky has a way with cameo. I didn't want it to end. I was hanging on her every word. I was like, what's she gonna say next? What did Shannon prompt her with next?

It was as, it was, I had the experience that you should have when receiving a cameo. So maybe it was just like the people in the past that I got cameos from. They were the wrong people and it takes a special type of person. Like, I guess I won't say like who I got it from that just like made me feel.

I don't know, Damon John. Like I just, I didn't want to cameo from him. Yeah, yeah. But someone else like he might work well for someone else. It was just like, it was just too much. It wasn't a match. It wasn't a match. This was really a match.

And so I'm happy that the whole like cameo business operation like isn't built on but clenchingly painful videos. This was really a match and so I'm happy that the whole cameo business operation isn't built on butt clenchingly painful videos. Well, we also, I like that Shannon got a cameo, obviously, because it's funny and whatever, but we also get a little bit of inside scoop on Nicki's business right now. It's kind of everyone's dream.

Your cameo's blowing up. That's just encouraging more people like Shannon. Shannon can't be the only one who in the last week decided to book a cameo from Nikki Blonsky. Shannon said she turned it around in three hours. She's still charging $100, which Nikki, if you are watching this, you need to up your price. I wonder what Shannon would have paid.

Like what's the most she would have paid? Well, Shannon's like an extravagant person. Yeah. So she's not a good example, but like somebody who's doing this for the shtick, what's the most amount of money in this economy you would pay for like a shticky video? I feel like 250.

Yeah, she could definitely double. I just wanna say, I think that other people are taking note of like the virality of cameos and trying to capitalize it. And I do need to call out Tom Sandoval for being like extremely cringe right now. He's posting all of his cameos on TikTok and they're like skits with sunglasses and stuff.

And he's like trying to make a moment. He's like seeing it's happening to Nikki. And when you're in this line of work, like you get out what you put into cameo. You have to promote it. You have to do well. You have to make meaningful videos in order for the business to grow.

It's not just like this automatic thing. So I need him to calm down a little bit, like let Nikki have her moment. I'm telling you, I think he's feeling threatened. Yeah, I guess a cameo from Tom Sandoval could be funny. Perhaps at a point in time, right now, I don't think it would be funny. I don't know, if I got you a cameo out of nowhere,

if I got you a cameo from Tom Sandoval. Please don't. And it was like, dirty and the most extras. No, please don't. I think I just might. I wonder what he charges. Just to punish you. No, but like actually, please don't. I want I just might just punish you. No, but like actually, please don't. I want to know what he charges.

I want to see Turdy and the Most Extras up there shaking that thing. I am going to start a band, Turdy and the Most Extras because it's kind of a good name. It is kind of a good name. Tom Sandoval on Cameo is charging $200. Why is he charging more than Nikki Blonsky right now? Yeah, who charges the most?

By the way, your rate is fluid. Like you can- Yeah, you could always go up, go down. It's supply and demand. Okay, I'll tell you. So the, okay, the number one booked on Cameo right now is Nikki Blonsky. You're lying.

I swear. The number two is James Buckley. He's an actor- What's that? From the office? In betweeners. I've never seen him before. It's always the office people who make all the money on Cameo.

Number three is Levar Ball. Who's that? It says he's the CEO of Big Baller Brand. I think he's a basketball guy. Number four is Tom Sandoval. Wow, so his marketing is working. Number five is Brilliantly Dumb, the creator of Bob Does Sports.

I actually don't know most of these people. You know what the shame is? The shame is that we would crush it on Cameo. Yeah, we would crush it on Cameo. I've been on Cameo before and I did get a lot of inbounds. I'm trying to find who the most expensive person is. Being on Cameo wasn't good for my mental health. And so I had to take a backseat.

Is the most expensive on cameo. I feel like for a while it was Bethany Frankel. I feel like it's that guy from the office. Brian Baumgartner. Yep, him. He placed Kevin from the office. I don't believe he's on it anymore, but we did, I remember reporting on it.

He ended up sharing that he made a million dollars one year on cameo. So he bought his house and he moved on with his life. Like plot, if we did Cameo for a year, like maybe we could go in together for a lake house or something. Yeah, yeah. These, all these like compilations

of like the most expensive, they're a little outdated, but for a while it was Caitlyn Jenner, $2,500. Damn, but was she getting booked that much? I'm sure she was getting booked, but it's like- You only need one instead of 10. What's the gap between, instead of 25 for Nikki Blonsky? Well, yeah, Nikki Blonsky. Floyd Mayweather also for a while.

Now the prices are old and these are all outdated, but Bethany, like the names that are being floated around, Bethany, Mr. Wonderful, a lot of the sharks were on it. Yeah, like I know Luan, like the housewives do really well on Cameo. That's a per, that's really a great guest. Floyd Mayweather $15,000 was the last most expensive person. But I feel like at some point it gets confusing

when really wealthy people are on Cameo. But if you're doing it for $15,000 to do a two minute video, make $15,000 in two minutes like that makes sense. I just feel like $15,000 is like not worth two minutes of Floyd Mayweather's time. I don't know why, I feel like he's that rich. What do I know? Maybe, but I don't know.

You could just like get a jet ski in two minutes. You could get a jet ski in two minutes. Maybe I'll go on Cameo for $15,000 and maybe it will be better for my mental health. Yeah, I'll go on Cameo and I'll make it like 100 grand see if anybody will pay it. You can just make it up. Yeah, it would be a lot, but then it's like, I don't know.

It's a funny thing, Cameo. I'm glad that it's in our lives. I'm glad that we're talking about it. It provides like endless fodder, like viral Cameo's. I'm sorry, Happy Chanookuka is gonna be my favorite cameo of all time, Smokey Robinson. I mean, that's one of the things that made the biggest drama on the Real Housewives of New York.

Remember that woman, Elise, with the bangs? What about her? She was saying stuff about someone. I don't remember. They're always making news. Also, I think conceptually as a business, it's quite brilliant. I believe that they are a publicly traded company.

Like I think they crush it. I believe so as well. There's not even another company that does the same thing. No, they could never. How much revenue do you think they do in a year? Oh my God. What? This is from 2020.

I guess because it was like the perfect gift and the only way people were making money on COVID. But in 2020, they did $100 million in gross revenue. I feel like they still do that. It's such an easy gift. That's insane. They were once valued at a billion dollars. And now this article saying as of eight months ago,

they can't pay a $600,000 fine. I just feel like that's not true. Mickey Blonsky probably gets like 600 bookings a day. Right. Wow. The guys who started Kemi are actually really smart. I feel like that's something we would have started. Yeah.

It's just like a simple, but really brilliant concept. Yeah, everyone wins. Yeah. And today you win. Today I win, Nikki wins, Bruno wins. Bruno got a shout out. So did your pargy loaf. So did my pargy loaf.

I should send her a loaf. She did in her cameo request your recipe. She did. I don't think she could handle it. I just don't feel like she has like the patience to make sourdough. To be honest, I actually see a lot of myself in Nikki Blonsky and we are both not the Elk

of pargy loaf makers. No, especially not without like self rising yeast. Right, being a mother to a sourdough starter is a full-time job, especially in the beginning. And with all of her travels and. Right, bookings. West Virginia, like you've gotta be home to feed your starter.

Correct. So I'll send her a loaf. That's very generous of you. I wonder if she'll see that like we posted her cameo and that we're big fans. I know she like does a lot of work on social media and that's what this whole like Nicki Blonsky Renaissance is about.

I do feel like she's not of this world though. Do you know what I mean? Like she's not really in touch. I feel like we need her on the toast right this minute. In such a desperate way. And what's annoying is that I'm sure every podcast is like reaching. You think so?

Put it, text the team. Let's see if we can do it. Isn't she a Long Island girl? I believe she lives in New Jersey. We'll go out there. We'll take. We will. We'll take the path.

Can we reach out to Nikki Blonsky about coming on the podcast, question mark? Immediately, like tomorrow. Immediately. ASAP. By end of week. Since Jackie's coming to town. Yeah, exactly, that's why we would do it. Nicest kids in town.

Like those are the sort of guests we need. Yeah, and so what I was gonna say is like, I'm sure every podcast is like clamoring to have, I think, by the way, even just putting Nikki Blonsky in our title yesterday, our episode is so outperforming. She's so of the zeitgeist right now. And what's annoying is like,

we're now competing with millions of other shows when a year ago, nobody would have wanted- We've always been talking about her. Right. Nobody would have wanted Nikki a year ago. We want her just as much now as we wanted her then. Yeah. Maybe even a little less now,

just because she's so popular. We're such like, anti-culture. Trendsetters, yeah. Yeah. Is it a story that Meghan Markle has joined an affiliate link program? No, it's not. Okay, good, I don't want it to be,

but I do need to briefly talk about it. Like you, I think, become like really obsessed with random Meghan Markle things, and like this is my obsession with my random Meghan Markle obsession of the day. When I saw that she joined an affiliate program that I'm familiar with, it's called ShopMy. It's like LTK, it's just different.

I know a bunch of girls who use it. It's just a program that pays you. Yeah. I. She may as well have joined LTK. I feel like people, like the streets know LTK more than ShopMy, cause ShopMy is new. It's the same.

And for those who don't know, if you're like a creator, anyone with a platform and you wanna like link your shirt, but make a little bit of money off of every shirt you sell. It's called an affiliate link. And there are these companies like LTK, ShopMy, R-Style, they facilitate that for you. They help you create links that are commissionable and you can like track them and stuff.

So you create little stores with all your little things like an Amazon storefront type of thing. And Megan announced yesterday being like, I saw so many people asking like for my clothes recommendations and like links and stuff. So I made a little shop on ShopMy and she linked it. And I don't know if to everybody it was the biggest deal in the world.

When I tell you I had to sit for 10 minutes and think about it, I could not get over it. Having a ShopMy or any sort of affiliate store is such a regular thing to do. And like this is a person who was on the balcony at Buckingham Palace, you know, right? I don't know if I'll ever get over it. Of all the things she's done since Megxit,

this to me is the most shocking. Yes. Yeah, and it's not like she did a little store, like she's got a lot of products linked. Like, and let me tell you, it's not for nothing. Like I actually, that was one of my thoughts from the show is like, I love her vibe, her aesthetic. Like the clothes are very pargy.

When she even said like her pants were from Zara, I was like, I know she's probably not pillaging Zara. There's like somebody who does that for her, but her whole aesthetic is actually really beautiful. And like, it should be shoppable. And so it's not a bad idea. It's just like, it's a crazy, is it? Do you agree?

It is the crazy, it's the craziest thing. Yeah, but I don't know. I'm no longer really shocked by her. Like she is an influencer. She has a podcast. She posts Instagram stories and her thumb is covering the camera lens. Like it's not even like Ballerina Farm.

I don't know. I guess up until this point. It's about Ballerina Farm meets Britney Spears. I guess I thought everything up until this point that she did that was quote unquote like pedestrian, like having a podcast, anyone can have one. It's all been done with like the right partners and she had this big Spotify partnership. So it's always been like, yeah, she's doing things

that everybody else is doing, but at a much higher operating level. Yeah. And now it's like, well, no, we all log into our shopmye.com and like, you know, make a link. The way that you feel about her shopmy is like more akin to how I felt when she was posting those Instagram stories,

like running around the backyard, like nuttiness. Yeah, I guess like- And there wasn't a third party for it. And it's not premium and it's not curated. And it's like very regular. Yeah, I guess the difference is that like all people high and low, like post on social media, maybe not at the level that she does. Not Royals. Not Royals, but like even in America, when you think of that like all people, high and low, like post on social media, maybe not at the level that she does.

Not Royals. Not Royals, but like even in America, when you think of the most famous people, like they all share stuff, right? But they don't all have affiliate links. Like it's really crazy. Yeah. Well, so you can buy anything?

No, I'm not in like a phase of my life where I am buying things, but I have thought that like this summer when I'm just like looking to relax and you know, wear baggy clothes that are summery, I will be shopping at shopmy.com slash Megan. Okay, so she's providing a service. 1000%, cause I don't think I'll be buying her jams.

I'm not like a, I like Smuckers and Bon Mama. Like I'm all good on Jam. I also feel like maybe she got paid to be on the platform. Oh, that would be good. I think so. I think we just also like always assume stuff like that about her because it's like otherwise, why would she do it? But wouldn't there be like a big press announcement?

Like shot my announces partnership with brand ambassador because everything she does is more elevated. Yeah, no, not in a brand ambassador. But a rogue Instagram story? Yeah, I don't know. I feel like maybe she's gotten like a good deal with them. I hope I hope as well Well, it seems like she's having fun in this content creation phase of her life And at this point like bring back the TIG what like actually why not if there's I know I know it's true

And she should have included the TIG from the very beginning. And like, With Love as ever should have always been like the same name, whichever one you want to go with. Like the With Love Jams and the With Love Show. I just want to say like a jam company called The TIG, that kind of makes sense. Like the Fig.

The Fig TIG, yeah. I agree, there's too much going on and it's been mismanaged from the beginning. But at this point, like she made an affiliate link, so there's really nothing off limits. Bring your blog back. Yeah, well, we need recipes, we do. Right.

No, but she can't bring in the name of the TIG. I'm sorry, it's too late. Yeah, yeah, I agree. We need the With Love blog. With Love TIG. These names. She is having fun. And so are we, because today's Tuesday,

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Yeah. But you did write into us, so you know who we are. It's true, you were looking for a different show. It's true, you were looking for a very specific type of advice if you're writing to us about this. So we'll talk about it. So you'll get it. So now without further ado,

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That's Roeback, R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com. Thank you, Roeback. You're welcome. Our first story, Garcelle is leaving Real Housewives of Beverly Hills after five seasons. So Garcelle posted a video this morning saying that she's leaving Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. She announced on Instagram that she's departing

the hit reality TV show after five seasons to focus on her family and other projects she has lined up. So she shared a video to her Instagram. She looked parje. Yeah, spelling out the reasons why she's leaving, thanking everyone who has been a part of the journey, the fans, the crew, the wives themselves. She said that she's leaving to focus on her kids.

It's their last year of high school coming up and she wants to be there for that. She also has a's leaving to focus on her kids. It's their last year of high school coming up and she wants to be there for that. She also has a lot of work stuff coming up that she's really excited about and so she is leaving the housewives. She did say like Andy said she can come back anytime and so who knows could be a see you later but she's out for now. Yeah I feel like housewives when they leave like always for the most part as long as they part on good terms like production allows them even if they've been fired like allows them to say like i'm leaving and making it seem like it's their choice I do think with garcelle. It was her choice. I don't see a reason why she would be fired. She's an excellent housewife

I agree. Why would she be fired in the middle of the season? We haven't even seen how things shake out how do the fan see about her? How does the reunion go? I don't think she was fired. I think she's really leaving Me too. I'm shocked by this. I feel like it's been actually really good for her career outside of being a reality star. Like, as you know, she produces an accent,

a lot of like content. She has like, I think a big production deal with lifetime. So I'm shocked because I think a lot of her like recent success within the industry just has to do with her overall star rising from this show. And it's been actually impressive for, I don't know a lot of housewives who have done

what she did with her housewife success. Usually it's a little bit more like, front-facing club appearances, like I'm a model. Whereas she has a production company and like actually built something really sustainable, which I think is really smart. Maybe she's just not enjoying it anymore, you know? Yeah, I do feel like there's a reason that she's not saying

not like something big and bad, but I don't know. It just didn't feel like compelling enough. Like she's always been busy and she always has a lot of work. So like it's really been now too much that she can't do housewives. And then to be there for her kids in high school, there are less- It's so weird.

Yeah, I just feel like there's more of a feeling that she might have that she's just not sharing. Like whether it is she's tired or she's over it, or maybe her career stuff is more than ever. I just like, I don't know, I just feel like there might be a little more to it. Yeah, I have questions for sure. Also, did you see that Bose is on Jimmy Fallon tonight?

No. Yes, I saw a clip, I was shocked for sure. Also, did you see that Bose is on Jimmy Fallon tonight? No. Yes, I saw a clip, I was shocked. That's so crazy. It is, for a housewife to be on a late night show is a really big deal, especially by themselves. I feel like sometimes they'll do two together. I know Duret and Kyle went on Kelly Clarkson, which is daytime, a little bit different,

but it still feels a little out of their scope. And so for it to be Bose by herself, I love, I was shocked. She's having a good season and we really like her, but it's not like the name on everybody's lips in the whole world is Bose. Like it's been with some other housewives in their first seasons. But it's also not like Beverly Hills

is having a particularly like high rated year. Like I feel like it's actually one of their slowest worst seasons. Like people aren't really talking about it. Right. Except for us. Right. I feel like it would make more sense. Like when aren't really talking about it. Right. Except for us. Right. I feel like it would make more sense. Like when Salt Lake City was on,

I feel like it was really impacting like the zeitgeist if like Heather Gay had been on. Yeah. So I found that kind of crazy. I'm very here for it, but just an interesting thing to note. Yeah. Very interesting.

I would welcome Garcelle back. I am sad to see her go. I think she's a great housewife. I think whether you like like her or dislike her in terms of the actual drama, she's a very good housewife. She has like said things that needed to be said. She's very direct. She has an interesting life, her personal life,

like with her kids, always, you know, I'm added to some off camera drama, then the Vanderpump rules of it all. So she really did, she did a great job. I would say a job well done. She will be missed. Thank you for your service. Yeah, I agree.

She's not been my favorite housewife recently. I find myself always like actually opposed to her. But not for one second was I like, I don't want her on the show. I mean, this is what it takes to make a show. Like you're gonna have people you agree with and disagree with and I enjoyed her. So this will be a loss.

I wonder who they'll replace her with though. That's always exciting. I don't know if they need a replacement, but I do think Beverly Hills needs like a little bit of a something. Yeah, I think they should bring back someone. I don't know that we need someone like brand new. They should bring back Denise.

Now's the time because one, Denise is like having a successful spinoff, which like always puts the other women in a weird like position. Two, she's kind of been talked about a lot when it comes to like how terrible they were to her about her sexuality. And now that's a big question with Kyle.

Like I do think that would shake things up. But I feel like Denise would only want to come back with Garcelle there and it would be more, it would be better with Denise and Garcelle. That's true. Oh, I would have loved that. I forgot that they have like an alliance. She's like the only one in the group

that Denise still likes. Yeah. Maybe like Jennifer Tilly will become full-time cause Sutton's gonna need a friend. Yeah. I don't know if that just feels like we'd be getting the same season, but like a little different, you know? Or they bring back someone else. Bring back Eileen Davidson.

Stop being so afraid. Teddy. Yeah. Even though I don't think Teddy's at a place right now where she can really like shake up a show. Right. But they're always talking about her. She's friends with all of the ladies still. She has a really successful podcast. I don't think they can like talk about her now

in the way that they have been up until this point. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Well, you know, maybe in better times but there are plenty of people who are still in the mix. They come, Camille Grammer, not that that's who I wanna see. No, please, please, please. But I think that would be better right now

than finding someone new. New, yeah, LVP. She would never, but I am ready. I'm ready too. Or honestly, Lisa Rinna. Yeah, but it's not fair. I feel like that was one of those people, I know. It's not fair to take out Garcelle for Lisa Rinna

because then like you're stacking one side. Oh yeah, but the thing is like, I find the Sutton side, like I find it, I think like the fact that this, this season is broken down, but like Sutton versus everyone is what makes the season bad. She's not a worthy adversary and she's not like an interesting person. Yeah.

So like I'm ready for something totally new. Yeah. I don't know if Lisa Rinna would like be the balance that we need, but I'm open. I'm open. I also don't think she would. Do it. Yeah. I don't know. She's like, on the one hand, she'd probably be like, yeah, I'm better off

since I left house. I was, but on the other hand, I feel like she's kind of shameless and is like, okay. A check is a check. Yeah. Yeah. let's get to work Correct. Let's roll up our sleeves Maybe It'll be interesting. Mm-hmm. Our next story a little more housewives news

Teresa, Judy said her husband Luis Ruelas hit with three million dollars in tax liens So according to records obtained by people the Real rail houses of New Jersey start Teresa and her husband, Louie have been hit with over 3 million in tax liens with Teresa owing $303,000 and Louie owing nearly $2.6 million. This comes three months after Louie was issued another lien for $160,000 in December, which the New Jersey courts website show

is still an open case. Now, this is not a shock because it does feel like Teresa's very much like the Dorit of the East Coast, like the finances, especially with Louie, like don't really add up. I know she does very well as a reality star and you know, a celebrity, but it doesn't match up with the house

and the lifestyle and the jets to Greece. Having said that, it is shocking that somebody, like a grown woman, would find themselves in a situation like this not once but twice. And the first time, you know, I really was like, it's through no fault of her own, right? Like he so clearly, you watch those early seasons, she was such a stereotype of like the woman who has no idea what's going on in her husband's business

and just signs stuff because he brought home paperwork for her to sign and is very trusting. But now I'm like, well, at what point are we gonna put some personal accountability? Because I do think Louis is a shady business person. And every time he's been asked, since his inception on the show about his business, remember he got fired, he worked for,

he took a company public. There's been so many weird things about his business. I do believe that like if they have found themselves in trouble, it's his fault. But how many times can a person find themselves- How can she wind up here again? But it's like, I really just think it's more so having learned nothing from the first situation,

not like Teresa has low key been like a con woman this whole time. No, I don't think so either. But at what point do we assign personal accountability to this person? I feel like the accountability is insanity. You know what I mean? If this was in court, she wouldn't be tried

because of insanity. By reason of insanity. Yeah, because she's doing the same thing over, not asking questions, shutting down anyone who has anything to say when all of the signs point towards, and it's not because like she's like, yeah, Louie, steal that money. She's just insane.

And like such a hopeless romantic naive, like to the point of being insane. Yeah. And you know what? Not that I wish, you know, money issues on anyone, but this is something when it comes to the future of the franchise, because they've been in Jersey, like in the state of limbo for a while, it's like Melissa, Teresa,

and I actually think another criminal go around for Teresa like really helps. Well, so here- Because it's gonna be one of those things you can't bring up. Yeah. And then like a Jackie Goldstein is gonna bring it up.

Well, not her. Well, not Jackie, but you know what I mean, like that was what she did last time. And that makes for interesting TV. Yeah. And you know, Teresa like is not gonna, she won't leave the show because she feels like it's hers and not Melissa's.

So like maybe a normal person who wouldn't wanna talk about this wouldn't be on the show, but she's not normal. Like we said, insanity. But I just wanna say like for her, she owes 300K. I feel like she could pay that. Cameo.

Yeah, like she'll take a couple of brand deals. She can pay that off quickly. I'm actually not worried about that. So Louis owes about $2.8 million, which I just want to say to his credit, also means that he's earned like $10 million, right? Well, are they saying it's 2.8 in unpaid taxes? Some of that is like penalties and fines and interest

from the last- Tax lien. What's that? I don't know what a lien is. I actually don't know. Hold on, let me Google this. That's actually a good question. Cause yeah, you're right. It would indicate like high earning-

Of course, plus penalties, but like if we're in the millions, like you have to make millions to owe millions. A tax lien is a legal claim by the government against a property where the owner fails to pay taxes owed. It can apply to real estate, personal property, or financial assets.

A tax lien does not immediately result in the government seizing the property, but it gives them the right to do so if the debt remains unpaid. So it's not really clear what it's from, it's just a debt to the government. Okay, it could be property, it could be all, or income tax, it could be all sorts of tax.

I know they can put a lien on your house, but I don't know what that necessarily means. Is it a tax lien on your house? Tell me what a tax lien is, as if I'm an idiot. All right, by the way, thank you. Imagine you owe the government money because you didn't pay your taxes. Instead of just letting it slide,

the government puts a big red flag on something you own, like your house or your car saying, you can't sell or refinance this until you pay it back. Pay us back. That's a tax lien. It's their way of making sure that they get their money. If you don't pay up, they might eventually take your stuff or let someone else buy the right to collect from you.

Got it, okay. So he didn't pay taxes and they've put a tax lien on, did they say what it was? They didn't say. Got it, okay. so he didn't pay taxes and they've put a tax lien on, did they say what it was? They didn't say, got it, okay. So just on themselves. Yourselves. But so anyways, like of course, pay your taxes, Louis, but you've gotta make millions to owe millions,

so he's obviously making money, but just pay your taxes. And it also feels like they don't have like a proper financial advisor. Like I feel like Teresa's could have been the sort of situation where she underpaid, like she meant to pay her taxes, but then- At the same time as he, as him?

Well, he's, she's probably using his person who sucks. I think that you're like simplifying it a little too much. I get a little idealistic. I'm simplifying Teresa's. I don't know how you accidentally don't pay $2.8 million in taxes. I'm simplifying Teresa's to say like it could have been an accounting error because she uses his account because she's an insane person who still trusts her husband,

even though there's numerous red flags. Yeah, she's. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I just saw this and like I didn't even feel bad for her. Like the whole. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? No, it's so crazy. Grow up. Yeah. Get a different business manager, keep maybe separate from Louise. I just know she's using Louise. Or she's using the same guy.

Because when she, that guy James, when she was going to prison, they had like this lawyer slash publicist slash assistant who does everything for them. And he was there putting her in prison and there when she got out, he would pick her up, drive her to Joe. And I feel like he is still actively involved

in their finances and somehow this is his fault. But she didn't have tax issues since the time she left Joe Judy J to the time she married Louie. So like when she was going- Of course, right when you get out of prison, you're always gonna behave, you know? But a couple of years later- But then you're like assigning malice to her. No, I'm not, I'm not. prison, you're always gonna behave, you know? But a couple of years later. But then you're like assigning malice to her.

No, I'm not, I'm not. No, you're right. I don't think that she knows any better. But at some point, like a 50 year old mother of four, like I do expect more from you. Yeah. Hopefully she could pay this off swiftly. You just don't want this sort of stuff

paving over your head. And hopefully he could pay it off even though he didn't pay off 160K in December. So it doesn't bode well for the 2.8. Right. But this does bode well for the Real Housewives of New York, Jersey, excuse me, in terms of plot lines, because this is interesting.

Yeah. Well, they were supposed to, according to that one rumor we both saw, that Judiche Lurelas were going to get their own show. Which is not as interesting, like like when you have a tax drama, like I know the other women involved. And like watching a bunch of crazy people be crazy, like no, you need the balance of normalcy.

No, not only that, like if you have your own show and you're going through this big like tax scandal, who's around to challenge you on that? Like we just have to believe you. Right, they could be like, it's paid. Yeah, right, like, oh, Louie, let's write the check. Like I need, I need the Margaret Josephs of the world to air the dirty laundry.

Yeah, she'll be on the New Jersey courts website seeing if the case is still open. They say she's actually rumored to be on the upcoming season of Traders, they're casting it right now. Some other names floating around were Tiffany Pollard. Fab. Margaret Josephs, Dorinda Medley. You know what I was just thinking should be,

Dorinda, wasn't she just on it? Yes, they say she might be on it again. Please, no, I was thinking about watching the next season. No, I know. Let me tell you who else I saw. It's all like rumored to be, and it was like Twitter, but. What show, what shows are we watching? I was thinking someone should be on it.

White Lotus? No, no, no, someone from like Real Housewives. White Lotus? No, no, no, someone from like Real Housewives. Oh, Mary Cosby, NeNe Leakes, Margaret Josephs, and Eva Marcel will reportedly be a part of Traitors season four. And what about from the young shows, like Summer House, Southern Charm?

Those, that was just the one rumor that came. Sheena should be on Traitors. That's who I was thinking. Give it to Sheena. Yeah. I think she'll be terrible at the game, even I was thinking. Give it to Sheena. Yeah. I think she'll be terrible at the game, even though I don't know what the game is. Yeah.

But maybe she'll be like so bad that like it actually results, you know, when people think you're bluffing, but you're actually just don't know what you're doing. Right. I feel like she deserves it. You know, Bravo is definitely ripe with people who would do well on that show.

Even though they try to not only do Bravo, they do like CBS shows. And who the fart is Dylan Efron? Zach Efron's brother. But like what else has he done? The shows he was filled with people's brothers. You know, he was born from the same womb as Zach. That's it?

No, I believe, you know, he had like a career before that of like, you know, smaller projects. And I just wanna say like, I'm enjoying had a career before that of smaller projects. And I just wanna say, I'm enjoying everything that he's doing. Spoiler alert, one Trader's along with 10 other people and he's been doing a lot of press and I think he's so cute and hysterical and I enjoy him. But before Trader's, who is he

other than Zac Efron's brother? Who was Dylan Efron in this world before that? No, I need someone to tell me. I'm not sure. I feel like maybe he was on Claims of Fame or something, you know, like that Jonas Brothers show. So again, Zac Efron's brother. I'm just gonna Google it.

Like, I feel like maybe he's like an... What did Dylan Efron do before traitors? He's an influencer, producer and production coordinator. Okay, so he's Zac Efron's brother. He worked as a producer on American Sniper, Live by Night, The Accountant and Ready Player One. In addition to his behind the scenes work, he ventured into content creation and producing. Okay, so yeah, he is like an influencer.

Yeah, so as we thought, like he was like a classic celebrity sibling. Hold on, did Dylan Efron date Stella Hudgens? That's a question here. No way! That would be so cute if they dated while they dated. It's too idealistic. It won't let me click it. We'll never know. Hangs in the balance.

Our next story, Someone Else's Something, will make sense in a second. Victoria Cheretti, girlfriend of Leonardo DiCaprio, does not like being called girlfriend of Leonardo DiCaprio. So, Victoria, hold the C, Cheretti hates being labeled as Leo's girlfriend. She gave an interview to Vogue France and said, "'As soon as you're in a relationship with someone "'who has a larger following than you, "'you become girlfriend of or boyfriend of for that matter.'

"'And that can be extremely annoying,' she said. "'Suddenly people are talking about you "'as so-and-so's girlfriend who is so-and-so's ex.' "'She said, so it's not nice to think "'that you can't love whoever you want "'because of the labels people need to stick on you.' "'She also spoke candidly about being "'in a relationship with Leo.

She said if you know you love each other, then there's no reason to be alarmed because love protects and gives confidence. Okay, like I just I can't imagine a world where, we actually couldn't call someone who's dating like Leonardo DiCaprio, where we couldn't mention that like, that's Leo's girlfriend. Like it's just like factually germane to the story. I don't even have a thought on like what she said. Like, I don't care.

Like, she's like desperate to be a victim. Oh my God. Cause the way she, you were just reading that, it sounded like it was coming from somebody who's been deeply marginalized. You're literally a model on the cover of Vogue and your boyfriend's Leonardo DiCaprio. I don't wanna hear about your problems.

And to be honest, I have officially, post-Kamie Marrone, I have stopped caring about Leonardo DiCaprio's personal life, his romantic life, the girls that he dates. To me, she was kind of the end-all, be-all. He got away with a lot up until then, but then it's like, you know what? She was kind of perfect. And if they were gonna work out, great.

After that, like I actually don't give a fuck. But I also just feel like anyone who ends, well, this is like a separate thing of just about like Leo and like, you know, his age cap and that he never wants to get married. He never wants to settle down. Like at this point, anyone who enters into a relationship with him,

like when he breaks up with you for turning 26, we're not gonna feel sorry because like that's what, like that it's so clear. She's almost like preempting us to feel sorry for her in this article. And I just wanna say like in no world will I ever feel bad for you. But I just, I also wanna say,

I remember when we watched the Victoria's Secret fashion show, she was someone who I saw and I didn't know who she was. And I thought she was so fantastic. And then I was like Victoria, and then we figured out that she's his new girlfriend. And so I didn't notice her outside of being Leo's girlfriend.

Okay, that's great. But now you're also Leo's girlfriend. Like I don't think it was. She kind of has a chip. She does have a chip. Which is I'm finding annoying. Maybe other people find it annoying when we have a chip, but like she's a chip on her shoulder and I don't know,

maybe it's just like the classic trope of like models, like wanting to be under, like we don't feel bad for you. You're a model, you're in vogue, you date Leonardo DiCaprio. Try as you may to sound like a victim in your interview. Like we don't care. Yeah, imagine how Dylan Efron feels. Imagine how I feel, okay. Like always being my sister, you mean?

Oh, that's what you were saying, imagine how Dylan Efron feels. Like literally we struggle to identify him as anything other than Zac Efron's brother. And look, he's enjoying his life. And that's not a joke for him. Yeah, he seems happy and fulfilled. Yeah, like get over it.

It's not a terrible thing. At least you're known, okay? Like some of us would kill for it to be known as something. To be in the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show. Yeah, no, I'm sorry. You don't get all the way to Vogue by being someone's girlfriend. Like maybe it helps, but like she sounds kind of insecure.

Like girl, you're on the cover of Vogue, France, which is like a good one. Sometimes they make up like Vogue's in random countries. They're like, I'm on the cover of Vogue, France, which is a good one. Sometimes they make up Vogue's in random countries. They're like, I'm on the cover of Vogue, Timbuktu. Okay, you know what I mean? But certain Vogue's are really, Vogue France, British Vogue, they carry a lot of weight. They're almost just-

What's the one that anyone can buy? I feel like it's been on a reality show where someone's like, I'm on the cover of Vogue. Oh, I think in Miami. Vogue cover, because it's like, if feel like it's been on like reality show where someone's like, I'm on the cover of, oh, I think in Miami. Vogue cover, you, cause it's like, if you're on it, like anyone can just buy it. Okay, let's hear. I'm on my way, hold on.

I feel like it was in Miami, like Larsa Pippen was on the cover of it. I feel like I know what it is, but I don't wanna say it unless I know it's right. Okay, wait one second. I'm having a hard time, like Vogue cover. Let me search Larsa. Yeah, I was gonna say search. Let me wait one second. I'm having a hard time like, Vogue cover. Let me search Larsa. Yeah, I was gonna say search.

Let me test my theory. I'm not sure that that's what it was, but that's what I feel like it was. No, she's not been on the cover of Vogue, unfortunately. Or what was this? Harper's Bazaar? Oh, maybe it's not. Maybe it's Harper's Bazaar, wait.

Harper's Bazaar, Vietnam, yeah. Oh, I wasn't gonna say that, but like sure. Sure. Sure. So if you wanna be on the cover of Harper's Bazaar, you know, I think there's a way. Sounds like she needs to have a little faith in herself. Victoria, I know, and she seems like a cool girl.

This is just not the vibe that I, I feel like this was like a talking point that she worked on with her team, and it's like, we're gonna seems like a cool girl. This is just not the vibe that I feel like this was like a talking point that she worked on with her team. And it's like, we're gonna be like women empowerment. We're not just someone's girlfriend. It didn't come off like that. It came off a sad sack. Yeah, but I think she meant for this to be like an empowering moment for women.

Like I'm not just someone's girlfriend. I will not just be like, you know, tied to my partner. Okay. No, and you're not. Like, okay. Like, sure. But that's also a part of your story. Oh, okay, okay.

Like, whatever she wants me to think, I'll think. Like, okay. Okay. Are you ready for our next story? Someone's- Four? Oh yeah, number four. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Someone's fiance has been deleted.

I don't know if you've seen this, but the internet's in a tizzy because Sydney Sweeney has deleted a kissing photo with her fiance, Jonathan DeVino. And it's actually really weird. So- In my mind, these two are like, have been broken up. She's feeling breakup rumors from her fiance

after she deleted a photo of them kissing from her New Year's Eve Instagram carousel. So she- Oh yeah, new feature on Instagram is where you can put up a carousel and then instead of deleting the whole thing to take out one photo, you can just take out one photo. Yeah, and do they let you add a photo yet?

That would be cool. That is coming for sure. But anyways, worse than just deleting a picture from her grid, maybe it like didn't serve or whatever, maybe the flow is changing, she went into her carousel from January and deleted a picture of them kissing. That's weird.

Mako Re. Did she delete like all traces of him off her social media? No, he's still in, there's like a group photo of him in this carousel, but a picture of them kissing has been deleted. Maybe she was like about to start clearing him from her social and did the first one and then was like, whatever, this is immature. Because I don't see a world in which this makes sense otherwise. And of course like this big story here is like Sydney Sweeney

deleted kissing boyfriend. Right. But what I wanna know is who discovered this and like what are you doing with your life that you have remembered that the picture is in the carousel you went all the way back to check if it's still there? No, that's a really good point. And I feel like there's actually no way

to know that this is true. That's also true. Well, they do have the picture here. Oh, it's, you, Claudia, you wanna know who discovered it? Sydney Sweeney-Dailey. Even if you commit your whole life to making a fan page of someone, I still think this is really crazy to have noticed.

I think so too. Okay, but I'm no longer doubting that it's validity. Yeah, the picture is here on Sydney Sweeney fans. I see what Sydney Sweeney fans has done there. And now it's not there. And they must go back every day to check if it's still there. But I guess if you're on Sydney Sweeney watch

and you know that there's rumors, then you check to check if it's still there. But I guess if you're on like Cindy Sweeney watch and you know that there's rumors, then you check to see if she's deleting stuff. And it's kind of your job to keep people abreast on that. I'm gonna choose to believe that like the reason why she did this was because she was like gonna start something and then was like, just forget it, you know? Cause some people, there is like a divide people.

What do you think when you break up with like a long-term partner, clearing them from your social media or just leaving it? It's supposed to be the timeline of your life, and this is what your life was like for that year. I think you leave it until your next relationship and then archive it. I don't think you need to break up

and then go and start deleting stuff. It's like, for what? I've never had to do that, I don't know. But I do imagine it would feel weird to have a boyfriend all over your page who's not actively your boyfriend anymore I would focus more on posting fresh new stuff so that the boyfriend moves down It also is different when you are a public person who people go to your profile to look at

Yes, but also like if you're a regular person you want to meet someone and you have a boyfriend all over your page They might think you have a boyfriend. Of course. Yeah, so maybe So maybe like archive, archive like some of the recent just so that like, people can see that you're single. Yeah. But I don't think you need to be like removing photos out of like spite or hatred. Like it's part of the fabric of your life. So as long as you're keeping your profile updated

and it's not stopping you from meeting the next person, I think it's totally fine to leave some stuff up. And this is like kind of, you know, celebrities are always when they're like starting new eras, they're like clearing their social media. I feel like they do that. One, of course, like be dramatic, but two, then they never really have to deal

with like old relationship things because they clear, the celebrities clear their Instagram like once every two years. That's like a relationship timeline. Yeah. I believe these two are broken up. And as you guys know, I'm extremely here for it. Right.

So stay tuned for the official announcement. She's booked and busy. Euphoria is like back, allegedly filming. So I think it'd be good for her to dive into a new project, you know? Yeah. One door closes, another one opens. Are you ready for our fifth and final story?

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Our fifth and final story, things are actually getting worse for Jamie King. She's speaking out. No, what's so funny is I see this story nowhere, so I'm so glad you're constantly keeping me abreast on it because it's actually devastating. And it's something I'm interested in that I don't see major coverage of.

Yeah. Well, also I saw last week that they're reporting her and Taylor are not like friends at the moment. They haven't been close in a while, even though Taylor is the godmother. Yikes. Just, I know we were curious, but anyway, she's speaking out after being forced out of her LA pad

for owing more than $42,000 in back rent. Oh no, now she doesn't have a place to live? Yeah, so as page six says, Taylor Swift's longtime friend, Jamie King. God, they're so annoying. The cover photo is a picture of her and Taylor Swift. Maybe they worry people don't care enough about Jamie King like without the Taylor Swift connection,

but like she's an actress. Maybe like a younger demo only knows her in reference to Taylor. Like I see her and I think of Heart of Dixie. I think some of our, you know, beloved Gen X listeners see her and think of Pearl Harbor. And then our Gen Z listeners.

Millennials, white chicks. White chicks and then our Gen Z listeners see her and think Taylor Swift's friend. Yeah, well she's broken her silence after being forced out of her LA home for owing more than $42,000 in back rent. After her landlord locked her out of the property just days after she lost custody of her two sons,

she told us weekly over the weekend, quote, the situation with my landlord was resolved privately. It's disappointing, but not surprising to see someone try to exploit this moment for attention. I'm currently focused on what matters most, my children. Just a week ago, the son reported that she was forced out of her LA home after accumulating 42K in back rent.

Per the documents obtained by Us Weekly, she had been living at the $10,145 a month Hollywood Hills pad since April, 2023, but had stopped paying rent in January. Her landlord said she was forced to lock, oh, it was a woman. She was forced to, I don't know why, it was just. Yeah, no, and a landlord evicting you gives male energy. I thought the same. She was forced to- Don't be ashamed.

She was forced to lock King out of the rental property pending payment, claiming that the actress had been maliciously remaining at the residence. However, Jamie's attorney has since denied the allegation saying she had been taking acting jobs to pay off the back rent. It's just one of those situations where like, you think you've hit rock bottom,

like you lose custody of your kids and like, how could it possibly get worse? And look, here it is getting worse. Yeah, and clearly like in this moment, she's going through it. Like it's not like, I'm sure things have been ongoing, but like, you know, there's highs and lows and this seems to be a low.

Like she was paying her rent up until January and now she's not paying her rent and she doesn't have custody of her kids. But then I also saw an update the other day. She posted like a selfie with, I think she like had an outing with her kids and she posted like a smiling picture with them. I just feel like she's really focused

on the wrong things right now. Like taking pictures with your kids, sending a statement to us weekly about your rent. Like I understand, like I care about what other people think of course, but when you've hit such a low in your life taking pictures with your kids, sending a statement to us weekly about your rent. I understand, I care about what other people think, of course, but when you've hit such a low in your life and you've actually lost custody of your kids, the fact that it seems like a priority to manage the press, when this really can and should be handled

totally privately, it feels like an odd priority. Yeah, no, get your house in order first. Right, and then write a book like everybody else, you know? Yeah, and I'm sure she's been a child actress. I'm sure she's been through a lot, but right now I agree with you. Find a place to live, pay rent. Not the direct statement to Us Weekly.

It's not like it's the New York Times. Right, focus on- No shade to Us Weekly, but like- Spending time with your kids, ignore us. Right, you have only a set amount of time with your kids. Stop taking selfies and connect. Yeah, especially when what's come out is so egregious. No smiling selfie's just gonna change what I've read.

Right, right, right. A memoir might. Right, later on, once everything has resolved itself. Yeah, but like, it's not something you can just put a bandaid on. No. But things you might be able to put a bandaid on are some of our Dear Toaster submissions.

So if you guys don't know every- Maybe. Maybe. Every Tuesday, Jackie and I do Dear Toasters, our weekly advice segment where we read three submissions from Swirly's In Need. They reach out to us, you know, through all different stages of life,

marriage, wedding, relationships, you know, you can talk to us about anything. We're really open books and I think you'll see that today. So thank you to everyone who wrote in in advance for your openness and your transparency. Oh, and if you wanna write in, DeerToasters at gmail.com is the email address or you can head over to our website,

thetostpodcast.com, scroll down, little submission box. Both methods of communication are completely anonymous. Okay. Hey, girly swirlies. I've been dating my boyfriend for about a year. He's been great. I'm 25, he is 27. He's a wonderful, hardworking man.

We've really leaned on each other this past year. One issue, he works in a prison, and I understand this job can be brutal and uncomfortable at times, but he continuously talks about how unfair it is that the pregnant women that work there get lighter duty shifts, meaning earlier posts in the jail,

like you get to sit at the front desk for your shift. Like you just get like lighter loads. He didn't get an easier shift when he broke his leg. And like, this is his Roman Empire. He keeps saying he'll never understand since I don't, he keeps saying I'll never understand since I don't work there, but it's actually giving me the ick.

Makes me never wanna have a child with him if this is how we've used breaking your leg and being pregnant at the same time. Is this a maturity he will grow out of or is this a serious red flag that he has no respect for women carrying children? Please help, I'm a concerned, I'm concerned,

I'm concerned, XO, a fellow girly who would like to have a few babies. She has a typo. I'm concerned, XO, a fellow girly who would like to have a few babies, she has a typo. I'm concerned, period. XO. Oh, no, I'm concerned, period, XO, a fellow girly who would like to have a few babies one day. I understand.

Okay, so I think it could really easily be either, like immature, until you go through it or your partner goes through it, you have no idea what the woman's body goes through and obviously these female prison guards are just being so amazing in their pregnancies that you don't even realize how much they're going through it.

Or it's just like a complete lack of sensitivity and this is a red flag. I know, because obviously they're getting to sit at the front desk because being on your feet all day is a tough job. But also, there is a level of risk with being a prison guard. And if you're carrying a baby, you know, there is a level of risk with being like a prison guard. And if you're carrying a baby,

you want to minimize that risk. So, you know, putting them in solitary with the crazies, like that's also not good. So the fact that he can't see that, like it's a little concerning for sure. I don't think he like hates pregnant women. He might just be like selfish and immature 100%. I need to know more about the relationship.

Like, is he generally a selfish person? Is he selfish and immature in other areas? Mm-hmm. I just like- That's only something you can really evaluate. about the relationship, like, is he generally a selfish person? Is he selfish and immature in other areas? Mm-hmm. I just like- That's only something you can really evaluate. I can't believe someone could see a pregnant prison guard. I know.

And think anything, and like, wanna give them more work. Yeah, and then like, make it about themselves and their broken leg. Yeah. Sounds like a baby. Yeah. So it does really sound like immaturity. It does. However.

It's not a good look. No, but I do often think even like myself, like maybe things I used to think or say about like a pregnant person. I remember actually the first time I ever, ever got like any sort of backlash online. Before I really had even a platform, I was at a doctor's office and there was like a person

like breastfeeding like right in front of me. And I remember tweeting like, people who breastfeed in public, like, can you not? Oh my God, like the Breastfeeding Association of America, like everybody, like I got like so canceled for this dumb tweet. And now, like now that's something I vehemently disagree with like whip a titty out, whip a titty out.

Like I love it, I wanna see more. And in a doctor's office, that's actually a great place to do it. It might not have been a doctor's office. It was like a waiting room for something. Maybe a doctor, but I feel like no. Regardless, that's something I vehemently disagree with now. Like I'm learning and more evolved than that.

So it's entirely possible that like, you just really don't get these things when it pertains to like motherhood and whatever until you experience it yourself or you know someone who does. Yeah, I really do feel that way. And I think doubly so for men, even when their partner's going through it,

like it takes them a minute to get it. Yes, I actually just read a study that like most men, most partners like really don't connect with the baby in utero. And that's like totally normal not to be like, you know, some men like wanna lay on your belly and talk to the baby. And like, if they don't, like that's okay. That doesn't make them a bad partner.

It's just, it's almost virtually impossible for them to biologically connect until the baby is earth side. Yeah, their lives don't change at all until you have a baby. Yeah, maybe they gotta get you a few extra sodas, but that's how your life changing. I actually remember the conversation I had with Ben

when he realized like his life would not have to change at all. When we were like first having the conversations about starting to try, and I was talking about how I need to get off of Zempik, and all these things I needed to do before we could really even start. And he's like, okay, what do I need to do?

And I was like, nothing. He was like, wait, I really don't have to do anything different? I'm like, no. And he was like, I could see, he didn't wanna rub it in my face. He was'm like, no. Yeah. And he was like, I could see, like he didn't wanna like rub it in my face. He was just like, that's great. Well, now there is this initiative, I've been seeing a lot of reels in my algorithm

of like men getting into the best shape they possibly could before they inseminate you, yes. Yes, because a lot of your health during pregnancy, just like how you feel, is directly correlated to the health of the sperm and the male partner. And like the sperm quality is affected by their lifestyle choices. And yes, it affects your pregnancy, just like how you feel, is directly correlated to the health of the sperm and the male partner. And like the sperm quality is affected by their lifestyle choices.

And yes, it affects your pregnancy, but it also could affect your ability to get pregnant. So like people are now, now the movement is like, men should spend 10 months getting into the best shape of their lives. And then you spend, and working hard, eating right, working out, and then you spend 10 months being pregnant. So that kind of like balances the scales.

Not at all, because they're becoming like slender September, but it's something. I also saw TikTok that I've been thinking a lot about recently and this girl was like, I feel like we talk about like pretty privilege. We talk about skinny privilege. We talk about like all these different privileges, but we really don't talk about like partner privilege

and what that means to like live a life and like build a family with somebody who's like an actual partner. And now of course there's partner privilege. Like it's a privilege to have a partner in general as opposed to not having one. But there's also a life and like build a family with somebody who's like an actual partner. And now of course there's partner privilege, like it's a privilege to have a partner in general as opposed to not having one. But there's also a difference between like having like a partner and a partner who like actually contributes

and helps and is an equal, if not more, load bearing individual. And so when you're thinking about who you're gonna have kids with like, it's actually really true. You have to have pretty considerable standards for yourself in terms of what you want your future to look like. So I feel like you're not being dramatic to the girl who's writing in about being concerned about it,

but it could be nothing. Yeah. But is it partner, if it's something that you can choose, and everyone has the same more or less. Maybe, okay, maybe privilege isn't the right word, but I knew what she was saying. No, it's an important thing to think about, who your partner is. Yeah, no, maybe privilege isn't the right word, but I knew what she was saying. No, it is, like, it's an important thing to think about, who your partner is.

Yeah, no, and when you just think about, like, the struggles of your life and your experiences. What do you think about the struggles of the first year of having a baby, right? Like, the difference in A, doing it alone, B, doing it with a partner who sucks, and C, doing it with, like, an equal 50-50, as much as it can be 50-50, a 50-50 husband,

like, it's not even a different, like, it's not even a different, like it's not even a question how different those three things are. And it is a privilege, the third. Yeah, but it's also choices. Right, no, it's also something you hopefully can control. Now, of course, something's wrong. No, and also some people pull the wool over your eyes.

Well, yeah, that's the most evil. Yeah. So, if you feel like this guy in other areas is like not a selfish person, this is just him being immature, maybe he doesn't know anyone who's had a baby. Yeah. You're okay.

He could have a past. But maybe keep an eye out. Yeah. All right, next up. Oh, this one was really crazy and weird, okay. Hi Jackie and Claudia. Lately my husband has gotten very into SPH. Do you know what that is, Jackie?

No. It's small penis humiliation. And I don't know how to handle it. Out of nowhere, he started asking me to roast him. Like we'll be watching TV and he'll randomly go, babe, tell me it's tiny. At first I just ignored it. I thought he was joking, but he's literally not.

He wants this. Is he a husband? He keeps bringing it up, yes. And now it's all I can think about. And here's where it gets worse. I think he's gotten in my head, because I swear I never thought his penis was small before. He's a little less than five inches hard,

which I also thought like always was fine. But now I'm not so sure. The other day he got out of the shower and I saw it. It was like a two inch turtle retreating into its shell. I really just squinted and now I can't unsee it. And honestly, I think I'm feeling it too. Like, is it just me? Do I not feel as full as I used to when we're intimate?

Is this some kind of mind trick? Was I blissfully unaware this whole time? I feel like I've just been peeled into a new reality and I don't know how to go back. So now I'm stuck. I do want to give him what he wants, but I don't even know where to start. Do I casually drop comments throughout the day?

Do I go full Regina George and roast him? Or do I just start agreeing with him and watch his entire world crumble, sincerely a confused but now convinced wife? Well, honestly, sounds like you guys are a match made in heaven because he wants to be humiliated in being told he has a small penis

and you actually think he has a small penis. So it sounds like you're the only woman who can really give him what he wants. I feel like you need to tell him that you didn't know he had a small penis until he's now making so much of it. I, okay, I have to be honest, I don't understand like anything about this.

Me neither. And I want to say something about penis size, if I may. I know we don't really talk about this, but don't worry. I'm not going to get graphic. I'm sad. I feel like we have like this fixation on like penis size. Now, of course I'm not talking about the people who are born with micro penises or the opposite.

Extremes, you're not talking about the extremes. I'm just talking about a penis. A penis is what you make it. It's also the connection and the person. I know I feel like I sound like Ben has the tiniest penis, that's the making. And I'm not, I swear to God. But I see people, especially especially like dating people on-

Or you sound like someone, like he has a big penis so you can't relate to the issues of women with a small penis, and you're like, it's fine. I promise that's not what I'm saying. But like I see a lot of people talking about this like on podcasts and influencers who do like dating and sex and relationships, and there's this like fixation on penis size

where it's like, I don't know, I feel like it's a little bit of shallow, it's almost like how I feel about looks, right? Everybody is good looking if you love them, you know? Yeah, and I also feel like if you're monogamous and you're in a relationship with someone for a long time, especially if you're married, it's not like you're seeing other penises

that this one's bigger, yours is small compared to, it's big, like that's just your penis. That's the one that you have. What is five inches, like? Is that like a? I definitely have a tape measure. Five inches is small, like, do you have. What is five inches? Like, is that like a- I definitely have a tape measure. Five inches is small. Like, do you think this cup is five inches?

Oh, I have a tape measure. Cochers, I have a- You're kidding. Oh, measure your phone, okay? Like, how many inches is your phone? Let's get to work, ladies. Why the fuck do you have a tape measure? Because we did so many renovations.

And I was measuring, bringing up my computer. Okay, my phone, oh my gosh, is six. Oh, okay, so a little bit smaller than your phone. Yeah, like. Yeah, I see, I see. If you're measuring from the bottom, go up to where the time is on your phone. Oh, like the bottom of the eight of 1138?

Yeah, like the bottom of your phone again, then 1138. Okay. That's really small. It is, but it's not workable. And it's like, well, how big is your vagina? Well, that's the other thing I really feel. I feel like there is a penis for every vagina. I completely agree.

And if you, like, do you have a tight, small little vagina, then it sounds like you guys are a match made heaven. And I just think there are other, like, I don't know, a big penis is like so lazy. Again, I really sound like I'm married to somebody with a micro penis. But like, oh, what, you have a big penis,

you don't have to work, it's hard. Like, I just feel like, let's say your man has a small penis. I feel like people don't talk about the downsides of BDE. Like, lazy, hubris. Yeah, hubris, I don't even know what that means, but for sure. Like cocky. Yeah, but I also mean, when it comes to intimacy, you don't feel like you have to do anything

because you got this big penis. Yeah, you don't gotta get creative. I think penis can only do so much. Somebody with an average-sized penis really has to work a little bit harder. Okay, I see, that's five. That's five. That's not great.

But, back to this girl's issue, I feel like penis size is not your problem here. No, it's SPH. Yeah, that's, I don't want to kink shame of course. That's not, they're not kinky, they're watching TV. I feel like there's something deeper going on with him psychologically that maybe we should explore. Yeah.

And it has nothing to do with you. And you're kind of letting his psychosis get to you because you're like thinking and feeling and differently. I couldn't do it. Like if I were you, I couldn't do it. And all of a sudden I have to be a comedian roasting you. Coming up with these zingers about your penis. Like, excuse me.

So true, like I work full time. I have enough going on. So true, like you don't need this on your plate unless you were enjoying it. No, and she's not. And that's weird. Like his, this is fine, you know? It's the SPH that's an issue.

Oh, I guess I didn't choose the one about drugs. Do you wanna see any other measurements? Cause what's the standard that they say? Doesn't everyone say they have eight? I feel like- You gotta take the joke. Let me ask, hold on. Ask Google Gemini.

What's the average size penis in America? The average size erect penis in the US is five and a half to six inches in length. Then also you have to consider girth. They say four and a half to five inches in girth. Oh, so our roast of five was nothing. Wait, you just need to show your man this. He has an average size penis.

Sorry to break it to him. She said, by the way, it's under five. So maybe he's like an inch under. But still, you're just above the average. You're what, 40th percentile? Sorry, you're not special. And are people really measuring their penises? I feel like it's something that-

You do in high school? Yeah, you do once and you know you're... So doesn't everyone joke that they have eight though? Isn't that, I guess that's why it's funny. Cause that's like... Yeah, that's like a piece of salami. We should teach sex ed. We should, I would just say to this girl,

like I wouldn't do anything you're not comfortable with. Break up with him. They're married. Our third and final is not the one, I thought I chose the drug one, maybe I decided not to, it was basically this girl texted her coworker asking where she could get some blow, and she texted the wrong coworker,

and she had a pit about it, and then she texted the right coworker, and the right coworker was like, sorry, I'm gonna do that. And I just wanted to tell her, no shame, have fun, but if you're texting your coworkers for drugs, you might have a problem. You're texting two of them. Right.

But that's not the one I, I guess I did just do it, but we're not doing it. Yeah. Hey, swirlies, my fiance is a P-jom. He's starting to give me the major X though. Last time we got into a fight, he slapped himself in the face and said, you're so stupid to himself.

Oh my God. To be clear, this was not done in a joking manner. His face was bright red and he was dead serious. It was very weird and it gave me a weird feeling and I almost wanna end it. Help. I just wanna say, this is one of the situations where I feel like we're always talking about like

ick culture. This is not an ick. Ick is like when you see somebody wearing a backpack and it makes them look weird. Like this is actually alarming behavior. Like self harm. It them look weird. Like this is actually alarming behavior, like self harm. It's fucking weird. You're right to be put off.

Weird. Now, like, I, it's hard to really end your life and start a new one over, like something someone did over two seconds. It's a window though into potentially. But now you need to like really look at the really, like was everything else perfect?

Like I just feel like, and he never did this before. This feels like something that's like definitely a trauma response. Yeah, I also think people who do this like maybe do other weird concerning things. Like, is there anything else to this girl that comes to mind? Yeah, but I don't know what makes someone do this,

but maybe it's like as a little kid, they were like, and every time they do something wrong, they like hit them, I don't know. So there's something, you should bring it up to him if you're having trouble figuring out like what you wanna do about it. You should be like, when you did this the other day, like what is that?

What does that come from? Like that really worried me. Oh, that's good. Yeah, we can talk about it now. I guess like normalize talking to your partner. I guess sometimes somebody does something so weird. Like you just have to leave. There's nothing that needs to be said.

Yeah, like I've seen what I needed to see and I need to never see you again. Cause like this, what this guy did, like I feel sorry for him. I don't know why that's my, like, cause it's not like he went and he hit you. Like I feel sorry for him. And it's maybe a sort of like a deeper issue.

He deserves care. Yeah, he needs a nurturing at this moment, not abandonment. However, you got to look out for number one. But even if you're going to leave him and look out for number one, give him a conversation like because maybe then he'll realize like, oh, I have all these things going on. I wasn't ready for a relationship. I need to work on myself. Like I have a lot of things that I need to unpack

and work through. And what are you telling me? Like that thing you did, like it really scared me. What is that? Yeah, I think we could just like talk directly. Don't be judgmental. Be like, that was really weird of you. No, just be like that.

Don't do what we have done. No, no, no, no, That's why we do it here. Yeah, we get it out. Get out our judgment so that you can handle it, put your best foot forward and just be like, it made me sad and worried for you. Where does that come from? Why do you do that?

I just didn't realize people do this outside of SVU. Do you know what I mean? It's such a thing you do in the interrogation room. Yeah, like, stupid. Like I didn't- You're banging your head against the wall. Yeah, it's not 100%. No, it's self harm.

Yeah. Right? It's like a child's response. Is it? I don't know, like hit, I don't know. You're so stupid. I don't know. No, it's a, it's a mental ill thing. That's Gemini.

No, I'm good. What kind of person? Slut, I don't wanna know. Just talk to him. Something therapy can fix. Or like. Badda bing, badda boom. Yeah, it seems like a textbook case.

For a therapist. This is a job for. But I don't know what the textbook is called, but I know there is a book about it. 100%. Guys, that's our show. Thank you to everybody who wrote into Dear Toasters and everybody who listened to the end of this episode.

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Yeah, cause that's pain. But the vagina is adjustable. I, cause that's pain. But the vagina is adjustable. I mean, that's true. Yeah. So. But you want to have a baby every night. No. Thank you guys so much for listening to the

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