The Toast - Jax Takes a Back Seat: Friday, February 7th, 2025

Episode Date: February 7, 2025

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Good morning, millennials. Welcome back to the toast and happy Friday, a cause to celebrate except for the fact that the virus I've been meaning to literally meaning to throw hands with has now infiltrated my fucking sister. And not only has it infiltrated my fucking sister, it's infiltrated my sister's fucking ability to do her job. So it's infiltrated the toast here to for it. It's infiltrated me and today's, Jackie is such a trooper,

still showing up for work. It is audio only. She looks so cute in her pajamas, but hey, Jax, how you doing? Hey, turd. I've been better. I think this is the sickest I've ever podcast. We'll see how it goes.

I hope I can speak without choking. And I hope that I can have a personality. These are like the first words I'm uttering today. I don't want you to worry about the speaking. This is your dream come true. I've got it down. And actually there was so much going on in the world last night, like with NFL honors

and then Craig on Watch What Happens Live. Like I have a lot to say. So I don't want you to worry. I don't want, I want you to speak of course when you feel comfortable. But I just want you to know, like I got you. Thank you so much. I know I watched Southern Charm last night

and Craig was on Watch What Happens Live. I watched all of it and to not come on and discuss when we've been waiting for these sorts of answers. You had to, sorry. He was being so open. Well, I didn't really put together that this was like his first real sit down interview and that it was gonna be Watch What Happens Live, not a one-on-one.

I'm sorry, like if there ever was a time for a Live, not a one-on-one, I'm sorry. Like if there ever was a time for a person to have a one-on-one, it was Craig on Watch Rapids Live because I actually felt bad for the other girl. I don't even know who she is. Is she from Southern Charm? Maddie from Southern Hospitality, which is Lava's spinoff show.

And considering everyone was there for Craig, I actually thought she did really well and was a good advertisement for Southern Hospitality, which I don't watch and I won't watch, but I'm closer to watching it than ever before. Yeah. And like her having the chair next to Andy, like the whole thing was a little weird. Do you agree? I just feel like that was respect for women.

I thought it was respect for the fact that if she wasn't in the first chair, she would not have been a part of the episode because it was the Craig show. I think that they have this unwritten rule when it's a man and a woman that the woman would sit in that chair. Oh, that's really interesting.

I think it's more like, there's so many different factors. And for this particular girl, usually, if it's two celebrities or Bravo celebrities of equal value, the closer to Andy is the person who's a little bit more famous. But with Craig, I actually really feel like if they were gonna have a second person there, especially somebody who's on a new show,

she really would have gotten left behind the whole episode if she was on the second chair, it was just would have been like Andy. And so I think for the sake of literally keeping her involved in the conversation, she had to be in the middle. Yeah, but shockingly, Andy is into Southern hospitality. When they were talking about her show, and I don't know any of these people

and I don't know the storyline, like I haven't had that experience in so long that they were literally speaking Chinese. Like what, I don't know anyone. It's not like't had that experience in so long that they were literally speaking Chinese. Like what, I don't know anyone. It's not like even a housewives that I've fallen off with. Like I see it on social media. Like I just was watching two different shows. Yeah, that's actually really funny.

And I feel like Andy really, well, him or his producer like really did his homework. Cause there's been like a lot of like internet lore. He asked every question that we've even been itching like Rachel Kirkconnell. Yeah, but he was, oh yeah, that, but I mean, in terms of like the actual nitty gritty of Page and Craig, like so many like internet theories

and different like points of view on Team Page. And I feel like he really hit all the points that the internet would have wanted. I feel like he wasn't gonna like flop this moment because so many times like there's like a big thing happening on Watch Up and Sive. And Andy doesn't understand like the cultural impact because it's like so chronically online but I think he really understood and he had good questions and I think he did a very good job.

I also feel like Andy feels like Paige and Craig owe him and the network the truth and that nothing is off limits because they are both network stars they have benefited so much from their relationship and the network even at the end of Southern Charm, which I'll recap at the end of the show because I know not everyone watches, but they did a preview for the rest of the season and they film the breakup, post breakup, if it looks like, because like,

everyone's in their winter sweaters. Meanwhile, this is happening in spring. So like everyone's in winter, Craig and Austin and Shep are like sitting down. He's saying how he bought a ring and he's devastated. So like they picked cameras back up, which on the one hand is kind of invasive, but on the other hand,

like that's what these two signed up for. Yeah, yeah. Yikes. Okay, so we'll get into that. That's obviously a whole story. And it was the NFL honors last night. So just like lots to discuss. So I want you to just feel comfortable kind of taking a back seat.

I know you don't usually do that. So unlike me. I just, I want you to know like it's okay to not be okay. Yeah, I feel a little better just talking. My head feels like a million pounds. I got fever in the night. Like yesterday I didn't have a fever. I just had like body aches and chills.

And I thought that that would be the worst of it. But no, today is far worse. And it's the flu, because that's what's been going around. So something if I had to put a label on it. We're so not into labels here at the toast. going around, so. Something about having a fever. If I had to put a label on it. We're so not into labels here at The Toast. Something about having a fever really makes you feel like a kid.

What grown adults gets a fever? No, I know, and I'm lying in bed, and I'm like, after taking care of Harry and Charlie all week, I was like, who's gonna take care of me? Who's gonna rub my head? That's actually a really fucking depressing moment in your life where you realize like the person taking care of you.

Cause like, I feel like I'm at the stage where if I'm sick like Ben's gonna take care of me. But once we, God willing, like have children that's no longer like the hierarchy has shifted. Yeah, Zach was off with them as he should be. So like, cause I'm just grateful to get time alone. Of course, of course. And then I'm like, who's gonna order me soup

or God forbid cook it. It's really, it's like sick and twisted when you think about it. It makes me upset. But they say you've gotta put on your oxygen mask before anyone else. Before assisting others. I love that.

It's so true, by the way. I mean, it's literally the law. No, but like as a metaphor, it's true. Like I can't help you if I can't even help myself. Sometimes, sometimes you got to spread yourself thin and just get it done and we'll deal with myoxidation at the end of the day. I love like a phrase or a motto that encourages selfishness, you know? Yes. I'm gonna use it. Yeah. No, people love that one, especially in the mama community, like mama reels. Speaking of mamas. Okay. Shannon.

Shannon. It's just like when you've already known. Yeah, not to be annoying. Like we knew like the day she found out, like yeah. Of course. I am so happy. And I've been wanting to share this part of my, not to make everything about me.

Right. I've been wanting to share this part of my TTC journey with the toasters that I couldn't because I didn't wanna drag Shannon into it, but Shannon and I were both trying at the same time and literally the month I got pregnant, I got pregnant because of Shannon. She, I feel like I've told the story

that I was using those strips, pre-mom strips. I was doing them wrong for literally three months and I was talking to Shannon about it because we were just like swapping stories about how annoying it was to like pee on this like little thing in the middle of the restaurant. And she was like, and then you put it in the app and like, finally it tells you, I'm like, wait,

I hadn't even heard. I was like, what? She's like, yeah, that's how you know which is really your peak. Like which line is truly darker. The app, like you scan it. Oh my God, she saved me so much time. That was the month I got pregnant.

Like seriously, streamlined the whole thing for me. So you were doing it wrong in the sense of not having, not using the app, just in case anyone's doing it wrong out there. Yeah, so I was basically just like doing the strips and you could see the lines, but it's hard to know like was yesterday's line darker or like a little bit darker, which day was like truly the peak.

And if you don't scan it, they'll, if you scan it on the app, they'll tell you like the exact percentage that you're peaking and if it was more or less than the day before. So it was just, and it's also just an organized way to keep a picture of your strips, because if you do it in your photo albums, the lighting could be different and it could look weird.

So she totally got me preg. You got pregnant by Shannon. I got pregnant by Shannon Ford. And I've been wanting to share that and give her so much credit, but I would say I don't want to blow up her spot while she was working through her thing. So, so happy by everyone.

Like TNN is so fertile right now. The good guys. TNN supports women. TNN supports mothers in the workplace. And they support families and the families. Yes, it's just kind of like a family channel. ABC, TNN family. We've got the good guys on both sides. We've got probably a podcast.

Like it's the redheads just popped out a baby like true who were seriously just like we're going to populating the earth gone but not forgotten. Lauren Elizabeth is a core member of TNN. She was the first show we ever found a member. She's a founding member. And just because her podcast like for right, is not currently on air, does not mean that she's not an important, vital founding member of TNN. Thank you for bringing her up. You're right.

She is a core mother of TNN. She is a part of her history. The mothers of TNN. That's beautiful. Yeah. So I know you are obviously not feeling well. So let's dive into the fast five. We also have the Southern Charm recap

and Queenie and Weenie, which I'm so excited about. There's only one Queenie this week. Okay. There's actually two. Oh, okay. Let's save it. Because I know what your Queenie is and I didn't want to choose it in addition because I wanted to like, you know.

But sometimes someone is a resounding Queenie. Like by unanimous vote. But the person I chose for Queenie, like, is just as much of a Queenie as I know who yours is. Okay, okay. So now without further ado-da-doo-da-doo, it is time for the Fast Five Stories that you need to know. And the Fast Five Stories that you need to know

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following an episode of Southern Charm to discuss his breakup with Andy Cohen. So a lot came out from last night and I just have to mention the scene on Southern Charm between Craig and Paige. I'm sure you've seen clips. They, she was visiting him. They went to a farm to like see the beekeeper.

Remember when he was on the toes, not to make it about us. He was talking about how they love having bees. So we saw them like go put on their bee suits. He's so excited about the bees. Like she's having a panic attack, which like is so real. And then they walk around the farm and talk about their relationship and like their dreams. Cause he's like salivating.

Like this is my dream chicken, like to live on a farm with a bunch of animals and a bunch of kids. And she's kind of like, hold your horses. And it's kind of the same conversation that we've seen them have when they've had these hard conversations of like, one, Craig is ready for all of this. And then two, Paige sometimes wants the same thing

that he wants and other times doesn't. He says that like she changes her mind a lot. And he's just like giving her the time and patience. But then she's also like, well, don't pressure me. And he's like, I'm not pressuring you, but she's like, even having this conversation is you pressuring me. And like, I think in a relationship,

like you're allowed to ask like, hey, where are we going? And when without it being pressure. And I think he tried to navigate that as best as possible, but she still felt pressured. So that conversation, then knowing that they broke up, like obviously reads differently than the ones that they've had in the past where it's actually the same conversation.

They're talking about how like they're kind of having a hard time- Yeah, but now knowing what we know. Now what, knowing what we know, we're like, okay, these are the issues that they had and this is why they broke up. The only thing that's like a sticking point, it's like Craig never ran out of patience.

That's what's so crazy. It's like, he didn't say, I can't do this anymore. Like I want to get married and have kids. She said she doesn't want to do this anymore with him. Yeah. So that was kind of the saddest part of what Craig had said on what happens live was that like, you know, he, and he fully, and we had sort of gathered this based on certain things, but pretty much confirmed, like Paige

was the one who broke up with him. He got dumped like kind of, you know, out of the blue in his mind on the phone. And that it wasn't because of the timelines, cause he was willing to wait. It was just like that Paige finally came to the realization that like, yes, she wants those things, but not with me. And to hear him say that was like so sad. Craig was moving to New York.

So it's not like that was another roadblock of like, there no one will move. Like he was ready to move and be the one to do that. So it's not like that was another roadblock of like, no one will move. Like he was ready to move and be the one to do that. And then she broke up with him. And so then he had to sort of explain this timeline because Paige said the other day, like they broke up over Thanksgiving, then Southern Press Tour started.

And he's like, did you come on, watch what happens live and lie about you and Paige? And by the way, Craig is getting dragged on the internet. People being like, that's really weird. They're pulling up this like page six interview that he did just talking about, you know, how Paige is crushing it on Giggly Squad and the tour. You could say that about someone

that you work up with, by the way. No, no, but like, and talking like they're still together. Like he was saying things in the interview and people were like, that's really weird of Craig. Like they're clowning on him so hard. And I didn't think it was so weird. And he explained himself on Watch Drops and Slides and I thought it was a good explanation. He was like, well, first of all, this was like three days after the breakup. I was definitely still it was so weird. And he explained himself on Watch What Happens Live and I thought it was a good explanation.

He was like, well, first of all, this was like three days after the breakup, I was definitely still in denial and shock. And like, I thought maybe we were gonna work it through. So like, why make a whole big kerfuffle if we're just gonna get back together? And two, like, yeah, I didn't want it to, we weren't telling people yet.

So I have to just do my job. Like, I didn't think it was so weird, but he's getting like really made fun of for like walking around, pretending they're still together. I actually don't think it's weird. I didn't think that was weird either, but he's getting like really made fun of for like walking around pretending they're still together. I actually don't think it's weird. I didn't think that was weird either from the way that he told the series of events.

They were together Thanksgiving. Then he left and she calls and said, like, I think we should break up. Then he has to be in New York for press and he's staying at her apartment. Like, I think he maybe was in denial. And he sort of alluded to how in the past they've had fights and stuff.

But then he also said they didn't fight. I feel like they've gotten to this point a couple of times before of like, but then they push- Shit or get off the pot. Then they push through. So really maybe he did think that they were gonna get back together.

And in which case, like why air out your dirty laundry? Or two like- The next day. And to have to like say it the next day, it's like all these girls like Brianna and Rachel Kirkendall, all they wanted was like a week to process. And that's what he wanted to. And it made sense when they say it,

and it made sense when he says it to me. Yeah, no, by the way, there are like a lot of similarities between, I think, Paige and Craig and like other public breakups, but the roles are really reversed because stereotypically, it's like the woman who's really pushing this timeline of like wanting to get married and have kids.

And like, that's why I think a lot of people are like almost impressed by Paige because she's not falling into that sort of cliche. She's very career-focused, very independent-focused. And Craig is kind of the first time we've seen a public relationship where the man is the one who's really wanting to push forward. That's really not the case for most of the people

I know in my personal life too, most relationships. So I think that if the roles were reversed, we would all be saying like different things. But because it's Craig, who's the one who's very like timeline focused, I think it's kind of short circuiting people a lot. And I think Amanda Batula's interview, most recently where she commented on Craig

doing the page six thing, pretending to still be together, that really blew the whole thing up and that's what he was directly responding to on Watch Shop as she was being a little mean. Yeah, and then she also said something about Craig not defending Page from the cheating rumors. And Andy asked about that. That's been a huge topic of conversation

because that's Page's big issue with Craig up until this point. I think it might have remained pretty much like an amicable breakup if it weren't for the cheating rumors and then Craig not stepping in and being like, no, that's completely false. Yeah, I don't think he did the best job explaining himself, but I understood what he was trying to say, I think,

which is like, that's completely false. He never made any sort of, he didn't allude to her cheating, never said anything like that. So like, why does he need to respond to this hoax? And like we said about Paige when we were recapping their podcast episode, like real normal people like never thought that she cheated on him.

So like, why does he have to respond to the worst people on the internet and get in the mud with them? And when he said like, I don't wanna be involved, it's like, you are involved. But like, I understand not responding to absolutely baseless rumors because then it gives people the not responding to absolutely baseless rumors because then it gives people the runway

to keep starting baseless rumors. Making shit up a thousand percent. And I think I really see both sides from, I can understand how Paige is like, listen, people are saying horrible things about me and you know them to not be true. If you could just step your pussy up, that would be great. So while if Craig had sort of stepped in

and said, but leave Paige alone, like that would have been really lovely and magnanimous of him. But also like Craig is dealing with a lot. And so Craig is sort of excluding himself from the narrative. And that's what he was trying to say. And you can't because you're Craig of Paige and Craig,

but he doesn't want to be part of this like drama. And I'm sure that a part of him like is angry and he said he's angry because she is moving on. Like even though she's not dating that guy, Joe, like they went to a football game together, like she's dating and this is what we said, like that's where people start to turn on each other when you like see them with the next person.

And it's like, we're no longer, we're no longer overarchingly having each other's backs because we're moving on. So it's like, I're no longer, we're no longer overarchingly having each other's backs because we're moving on. So it's like, I think he's also just mad that she is moving on and he doesn't feel like he contributed to those rumors at all. So why is it his job to squash them? His responsibility to like get in the gutter

with the trolls. Yeah. Yeah. I also like, I really want Paige to know that nobody thinks that. Like I've never once questioned her character during this entire saga. You're allowed to break up with someone with 1000%.

Whether people agree that she should have stayed with him, who cares, it's her life. She is completely valid in wanting to break up with someone. It's her choice, this is a free country. And she's done nothing wrong. She's not a bad person. And I've never once questioned her character. She's allowed to move on with her life and make a decision

and I don't think she cheated on him. And if she did go on a date with somebody four weeks later, like everybody moves on in their own time. I don't even think that's so crazy. Like I just think, I think that she is like, and it's hard because Bravo's so toxic. Like the fandom is so crazy. Like the accounts and the blogs and Reddit.

So I could see how it's so easy to get caught up in it. But I want her to know like normies up here, we don't mess around with the carny folk. Like we are, we're chilling. We know like it's so easy to get caught up in it. But I want her to know like Normies up here, we don't mess around with the carny folk. Like we are, we're chilling. We know like it's okay. Yeah, for me, there's not a bad guy in this story. It's like two people who I stan and I once shipped and then like they broke up in a very amicable way,

not mutual as Craig says, but like you're allowed to break up with someone, you can call them and then you talk to them for the rest of the week. And then you have that final conversation a few days later. She gave him plenty of time to process and grieve without the world knowing,

which is again, just what like Rachel and Breanna had been asking for. And like, there's not a bad guy in this story. I think people just like wanna find someone to blame. We're so used to that. Like, no, and we're mad, like we wanted it to work out. Yeah, but we're used to it. We need someone to blame.

If something goes wrong, you wanna drag someone. But I think most of their relationship, we know what the issues were, but we also know that they really liked each other. And I think that it just didn't work out and that happens all the time. You're 100% right. We're just very used to being like,

team Zach Brian, team Brianna. Like there's no teams. Cause there's like a bad person involved. But to me, there's no bad person involved. Nobody did anything wrong. And I think that people are just like projecting their own relationship issues. Like if you were in a relationship where you felt like

somebody led you on for too long, like you're going to be team Craig. If you are in a relationship where you feel like somebody that was kind of suffocating you, like you're going to be team Paige. Like if people are just projecting, you're 100% right, there is nobody at fault here. And it's just a breakup.

Like, it's just so sad. I just love these two so much together. Yeah, and it's just sad that like what he said, it's like you go from someone being like, you're so many, you know, the ins and outs of them, to them being a stranger. That's just like a crazy thing that happens. Oh my God, it's crazy.

So wishing them well. I mean, my God, it's crazy. Yeah. So wishing them well. I mean, I hate that it's gotten to a place that's contentious, obviously comparatively to like other public breakups, it could be worse, but I do wish like we didn't get to this place. But I also think it has a lot to do with the ancillary characters, Austin, Amanda, you know, everyone like wanting to get involved,

but they're making it messy. Agreed. So I would just, but I guess it's also like reality TV. Like these are dramatic people. What do we expect? And this is their job too. Yeah. I feel sick.

I know, I do feel sick. Yeah, you are, you have the flu. Are you ready for- Thanks a lot, Paige and Craig. Thanks a lot, sick to my stomach. Are you ready for our next story? A little soulmate news. Because Hailey Steinfeld and Josh Allen made their red carpet debut at the NFL honors

nearly three months after their engagement. So the Super Bowl is popping off. We asked where it was. Yes, finally. Finally, last night was NFL honors. A lot of fun bits, headline news, Hailey and Josh walked the carpet together and they kissed when he won MVP. I want to talk about Hailey and Josh,

but I do want to fill you in. Not Dave Pornoy, literally being the only person making waves at the Super Bowl, he shared something else on a podcast that I saw this morning that I thought was so interesting. Braxton Barrios was set to guest on two Barstool podcasts and he canceled like the hour before.

And Dave is like so mad. I think like maybe Braxton has either an issue with Barstool or Dave or like maybe, I don't know, Alex Earl, like it's kind of, if you think about it, like she's with Unwell, like there's a lot of connections there. And he is like basically asking people to get him Braxton's phone number because he wants to ask Braxton

why he canceled. But why would Braxton say yes if there were outstanding issues? I don't know. Well, so Patrick Mahomes basically was asked at a press conference if he'll go on the Bustin' with the Boys podcast now because they've left Barstool.

You know Bustin' with the Boys where Travis went on? Yeah. It's a Barstool podcast. And I guess Patrick has beef with Barstool. He said, well, now they have a much likelier chance of me getting on their podcast now that they've left Barstool. That's what he well, now they have a much likelier chance of me getting on their podcast now that they've left Barstool. That's what he said in the press conference.

And so Dave was talking about that on the podcast being like, I didn't even know Patrick had an issue with us, but like, fuck him. And Braxton Berry owes you too. But why would Braxton say yes? Like, I don't know if he has an issue or just something came up. I don't know.

I'm gonna give Braxton the benefit of the doubt. And just, you're gonna say something came up? Perhaps. Okay, I mean, things happen, of course. Maybe he couldn't get off the floor after watching his girlfriend in that commercial. Oh my God, we can talk about her. I've fallen and I can't get up.

That was a brilliant marketing move. Carl's Jr., if you guys are like, you know, some of our young Gen Z listeners, you don't know that like back in the day, Carl's Jr. would run like one commercial a year with like the hottest girl alive. Classically, you know, Paris Hilton has been one, Lindsay Lohan, like all the girls of yore.

And they always wore these like sexy star bikinis and were like washing cars, eating these burgers. It was like very like toxic male gaze, but in the hottest, most positive way ever. And they haven't done one in a while. I don't even know that they were like still selling burgers or whatever they sell. And they've brought back the classic commercial

with like the girls in the bikini with Alex Earl. It's so brilliant. It's such a good get for her and for them. It's truly honestly, maybe a Toasty Lions candidate. I'll put it on the list and then when we reflect back on it, we'll know whether or not. Because it's such a sleigh

and it really, well, look, we're talking about Carl's Jr. I actually didn't know they were still in business. Well, that's because they're not in East Coast chain. Chain, yes, very true. But like neither is in and out and I know that they're still open for business. Of course you do. Right. That's what I'm saying.

That's different. No, I've never seen anybody do a mukbang of Carl's Jr. Charles. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Sorry, back to the story at hand. I just wanted to keep your breast on the drama. I'm holding space for Braxton. That like maybe he got the flu.

I wouldn't be surprised. I'm sure it's going around. 1000%. Okay, back to the story at hand. I didn't realize that these two have like never been on a red carpet together. I love that. I don't know when they would.

Like this is truly the only- Like last NFL honors. The SB's. Yes, the whatever she's doing. Gorgeous. She looks so gorgeous. And also like, she like a movie star, but also like a girl, you know, just a girl. She's, she's very regular. And I mean that in a very positive

way. I think a lot of these celebrities, like start out looking regular, and then they all end up kind of looking the same at one point. No, she really has maintained her individuality while also like growing into this beautiful woman ever since she like, she's lunch on the scene when she was like 16. She looked gorgeous and yes, very normal.

Yeah, like what you would wear to a friend's wedding. Yes. Just wearing her engagement ring like excited to be engaged and show everyone. And then he won MVP and they smooched. So he was up for the award, he won. And he made this very, well, yes, when he got up, he gave her like a big smooch and like, she pulled back

and then he went in for a second one. Like he's obsessed with her, I'm obsessed. And then he also acknowledged her in his speech. He made a big speech, really spoke very highly of his parents and they were there crying. Like I was hysterically crying, just being like, you know, so much sacrifice, so much money, so much time, like so much commitment, I love you guys so much

and my siblings. And then he's like, and last but not least, Hailey, I think he's just said my fiance, he didn't even say her name. And then they cut to her and she, her eyes, like Billie Eilish when she lost the, like her eyes are twinkling with tears, but in a positive way.

And she's just staring at him and he's like, I would not be here without you, I love you so much. Oh, that just reminded me one thing Craig said on Watch What Happens Live. Sorry, I wanna go back. He actually said something incredibly sweet, which was that, cause Andy was like, what have you been doing?

How have you been doing? What are you gonna do with your life now? And he was like, listen, to Paige's credit, I'm such a better person now than I was three years ago. So there would have been a time where if I got broken up with and I was heartbroken, I would have gone out drinking and like making bad decisions and staying out all night.

And like, you know, to Paige's credit, like I'm handling it really well. He kind of like gave her a lot of credit for like the mature person. And I think that's really lovely. And I do think that's true, like a good relationship, even if it doesn't work out, like we'll change you and make you more mature.

I thought that was really sweet. Yes. Piecing together a couple things, because in the preview for the rest of Southern Charms season, Austin and Craig who have been fighting all season, they have an emotional conversation, I think in the Bahamas, where it seems as though Craig is telling him

that he was on the brink of becoming an alcoholic. And then he went to focus on like his business and Paige, and like Paige helped him out of that. And that's why he resents Austin for not being like, hey buddy, because it's like, trying not to be, I think he said, trying not to be an alcoholic is gonna ruin my friendship with Austin.

So that's why he's big mad at Austin. And then I saw a clip of Carl Radke on Nick Vial's podcast talking about Paige and Craig. And it's actually crazy that Carl said this. And I think it's a little, you know, not right that he said it, but he alluded to the fact that like, Craig was having some issues in his relationship with Paige

and Paige was really there for him and like a lot of ups and downs. Like, I feel like there was a underlying issue of like alcoholism in the early days of their relationship. So when he said that like to her- Carl said that? Carl didn't say that, but he was like, especially after seeing the preview,

like I feel like Carl and was- Was alluding to that. Was alluding to that. Now I might be like, I might need the context- Reading into it. The next episode of Southern Charm and watch Carl's interview, but it seems like that was also a part of their relationship.

Like her really like rehabilitating him and helping him not go down like a dark path. And so him giving her credit on that on Watch Out Inside like to me was explanatory of that. But I thought it was like weird that Carl would say that. Cause that's like a little bit like Kyle. When Kyle was like, well, you came to work. You're doing cocaine at work.

Yeah. Like throwing up someone's face a little bit. Yeah. Just saying. That's interesting. Like throwing in his face a little bit. Yeah. Just saying. That's interesting. Sorry, back to Josh and Hailey, the two loves of my life. It was just really such a pargy moment.

The NFL honors made a lot of waves. Like Nikki Glaser was there, Snoop Dogg hosted. They were roasting everyone. Bill Belichick and- Joe Burrow, Bill Belichick and his daughter. Like really so crazy. Did you see that they caught the guys who robbed Joe Burroughs home?

You're kidding. That must feel like so fabulous for him. I feel like that never happens when we report on celebrity burglaries, but it was like a gang of illegal immigrants and there's pictures of them like posing with his like custom diamond necklaces. Obsessed, honestly it's giving the bling ring.

Yeah, so. Oh my goodness, well, that's that on that. That's that on that. That must be nice for him. Maybe get his stuff back too. That never happens. He like was a part of the roast. He didn't seem to be like taking the jokes.

Like he doesn't seem like he, I said this a couple of months ago. He kind of seems like the Fibisona energy and he was not into the jokes made about him on the roast. He basically, and they weren't even making fun of him. Snoop Dogg said like, oh, he bought a $3 million Batmobile, like this car, Joe Burrow.

And Snoop Dogg was like, that must be nice for the first time to like have defense. Like seriously, not even a bad joke. His smile faded. He was actually mad. Like, oh my God, he actually gives me like the worst energy. I don't think about him, but. No, the little, the little that I see, I'm just like,

I'm not dazzled by, but you'd be on the face. His outfit was like so. Terrible. So terrible. I'm so glad you brought up his outfit. Like I actually really like when athletes try and step out of their box. And for the most part, like athletes crush it.

They have a lot of fun with fashion. Nobody wears like a boring suit. They always wear like something crazy or colorful or pattern. And I like it. It's not so serious. I don't know what the hell he was wearing. He looked so dumb.

I like when they wear a boring suit. No, the athletes like, they really have fun with it. And I feel like every week when they like walk down the tunnel to their games, it's like a little mini fashion show. No, but like seeing them on the red carpet, like Josh Allen wore a boring suit and like, it's so cute. Yeah, but Josh Allen like would wear a boring suit. It's just cute.

Some of the guys like would, like the guy from Detroit, Jared Goff, like classic boring suit, but him and his wife looked part, I think she's pregnant. But like some people really get creative and I like it. I think they do it well. Okay. Are you ready?

Some of the wags could really step up their pussies up, not to be rude. Oh, I didn't even see any, but I was busy watching Southern Charm. I was seeing just like some TJ Maxx, sparkly dresses, like girl, your husband makes a hundred million dollars, like let's go.

Yeah. It's also weird that they do it before the Super Bowl. So like Travis wasn't there, Patrick Mahomes wasn't there, Jaylen Hurts wasn't there, Saquon Barkley wasn't there, like that's weird. Right, and those people like win a lot of awards

and then it's like a virtual acceptance speech. Yeah, and it's like, it's for the best of the year and the best of the year like are busy because they're playing in the Super Bowl. Because they're busy being the best. Right, doing things that the best do. Except Josh Allen is the MVP. Never seen him play before. 1000%.

He is the MVP. No, I really love him. He's so cute. And he's also like so regular looking. Like we went to high school with him. Do you know what I mean? Totally. Are you ready for our third story?

I don't know if I have the energy for this one, but I'm gonna do my best. Do you want me to read it? Chapel Rhone is challenging a writer who slammed her Grammy speech to match $25,000 donation for struggling musicians. So following Chapel Rhone's Grammy speech about how record labels should provide healthcare

for the artist, which seemed to- And a livable wage. And a livable wage seemed to make sense on its face. Yeah. There is a writer who wrote a piece for Hollywood Reporter. Hollywood Reporter. It's an op-ed. He's a former music executive,

so he is obviously like on the side of the labels. Yeah, his name is- Jeff. Jeff Rappan. I don't know Jeff. And he basically was like, I commend her. It's very admirable, very noble, but like she has no idea what she's talking about.

And she claims to be like this big, like just being like, it would never be feasible that a label could pay all their artists a livable wage. That's what advances are for. Like that's how this industry was built. And two, she's out here marketing herself as like, you know, an outsider. She's not like this music industry.

She's, you know, noble and a socialist, but you know, she's going to the Grammys and she's a part of the machine now. So like she acts like she's holier than thou, but she's a part of thou. Yeah, she also- He kind of read her to filth. He read her to filth and explained a lot of the ins

and outs of the industry and why like the record labels have seriously no obligation to give people insurance and you wouldn't even want them to do that to be like micromanaging these aspects of their artists' lives. And he also said like, while her overall cause is maybe noble to her, like this isn't the way that things get done.

Like that's not how like actual change is made. And like, he was giving some other ideas for things that she could do with her fellow artists to help uplift artists who are not in that room. But yeah, really chewed her up and spat her out. No, and the article like was making waves. Halsey read it and you know, Halsey's like a long time advocate

for like how the music industry is so terrible. And she wrote this scathing thing on her Instagram stories to the guy, Jeff, just being like, you suck. She chewed him up. Everyone is chewing each other up. And we said, who is Chappell gonna chew? So she then challenged the writer who slammed her Grammy speech to match her $25,000 donation

for struggling musicians. So honestly, kind of a slave response. What can you say to that? Yeah, does he have $25,000, this guy? He's a former music executive, I think he does. Okay, so then the two of them have raised $50,000. And that's gonna give healthcare to the music industry. To all the struggling artists.

Yeah, no, it's definitely a start, let's say that. I don't know another way that she could have responded that I think would have, because she really detonated the whole thing. It was like, how did this explosive will she win Halsey? And then she was just like, okay, you say like this isn't the right way, fine, I'll put my money where my mouth is,

here's 25 grand, you give me some too, because you're obviously so passionate about it, you sat down to write an article. So now I don't think, you know, in the grand scheme of things, is 50 grand gonna change the music industry? No, but I think from like a PR perspective, it was actually a very good response by her.

I think that, and what he was saying, it's like, so Halsey should donate too. And a lot of the bigger artists who are in that room, like who they said, like artists, labels, like invest all this money in artists, and it's only 15% that wind up paying like for everyone else. Like most of them are a flop and those people. That's a lot of entertainment.

That's the TV industry too. 10% of 90% of TV shows lose money, but the 10% that make it cover the 90%. Right. So he was saying that she should call on her fellow artists who are also of means. So I know she called out him, but maybe she can team up with some others

who are passionate. I just feel like Chapel is built for this. Like she knew when she was making that speech and this is just like who she is. Like she's not gonna, like she's, she's, what's the word I'm looking for? Not a pot stirrer, but she was- A lightning rod?

Yes. Oh my God, thank you. That's exactly what I was looking for. She's a lightning rod and she's looking to shake things up and that's not without criticism and it's not without pushback. So I thought she handled this quite well, her first big squabble, you know? Yeah, I'm gonna admit, I don't know like a lot about

healthcare and the music industry. And I don't know what's right and what's wrong. Not at all. Like I'm not taking a side of who should be doing what, but I have seen her like speak out on things that she does know nothing about and speak with such- Conviction.

Conviction. So I'm gonna just kind of go off of that and say like this girl has no idea what she's talking about even though she thinks that she is like noble and being good. She does have a very long history of like actually making shit up in a very condescending way about like geopolitical issues here in this country, abroad.

People have really gotten upset with her about a lot of things that she said. It's people on both sides. Like she really pissed off a lot of people during the election. So yes, she does, that's kind of like her thing, which is kind of my thing too. I like like talking about talking with conviction.

You are literally the polar opposite. No, I mean like, I like when I'm talking about random things I'm always like, no, for sure. And I have no idea what I'm talking about, you know? Yeah, yeah. So on this issue, like, I don't know. I don't know if she's right or wrong. I'm just looking at her track record

where like she thinks that she's the good guys and she's got it all wrong. Yeah, it's definitely a good point that you bring up if history is any indicator. Right. Let's look at Chap Track Record. Chap-Chak. The Chapel Tracker.

Frightening. Are you ready for our next story? What number? Four. I don't think you're ready for this jelly. No, I am actually. Oh, okay. Ugly Betty is getting a re-watch podcast

starring Michael and Amanda. Oh, oh, oh. Okay, well. Oh. getting a rewatch podcast starring Michael and Amanda. Oh, oh, oh. Okay, well. Oh. I thought you were gonna say it's getting like a reboot, a reunion, which is exciting. And then like we got a rewatch podcast. Like that sentence just sort of went downhill

after the word read. Yeah. Okay, like I'm not, I'm not the target demo. Sorry, Mark is Michael Urie. I knew you were. and Amanda is Becky Newton and they are starting an Ugly Betty Rewatch podcast and they will be the hosts. If there were two castmates who could do it,

it would literally only be them. Like I don't even want Betty. They have to do it in their characters where they're just chewing everyone up and spitting them out. That guy who plays Mark does not get enough roles. He was in the younger too. He was like the sassy book agent. He was excellent plays Mark does not get enough roles. He was in younger too. He was like the sassy book agent.

He was excellent. He does not get enough gigs. So I'm glad that he's like reprising an old role. I'm personally not the target demo for rewatch podcasts. Like I just- Sounds like a lot of work. Yeah. I don't know.

Even like Desperate Housewives, like if, which is like my show of the moment right now. If like Brie and Gabby did, like I still wouldn't watch it, do you know what I mean? Yeah, I wanna live in the fantasy. Like I don't wanna remember that this is fake. I know. But Vanessa Williams posted that she is available

to go on the podcast. Oh, wait, okay. If Vanessa William goes on, I'll watch. I can't wait till I get to the part in Desperate Housewives where Vanessa Williams joins the cast as a full, she gets an Apple too. Yeah. That's the best part, Renee.

Cause Ben and I were talking about, we were like, when does the show get bad? Like all good shows get bad. And I'm like, I don't think it does because like at the end they get Renee who was Vanessa Williams. She's the best part. Yeah, I think other people's storylines just get bad.

Like fizzle, yeah. Yeah. So like it's a cute concept and if they're gonna do it, like great, give it to Mark and Amanda. But I'm just so not into rewatch podcasts. But people seem to be, even though like, what's the most popular one? Office Ladies.

It's literally, I don't think a rewatch podcast anymore. I think it's just Jenna and Angela's podcast. Because it was such a successful rewatch podcast. And here's my question about rewatch podcasts. Do you have to also like rewatch the epi- It's probably better if you watch the episode that they're recapping. So let me tell you, because I did the Glee.

Because you did the Glee one. The first time I did it, that never made air because Naya Rivera died like the week before and they just like tabled the podcast. They had given me an episode to watch and we recapped that episode. This time around, they were just like talking to a super fan about Glee in general.

So they've maybe shifted their model a little bit. I don't know what other rewatch podcasts do. I think they all kind of start with the watch one episode and recap, because it's like an easy format and either they finish the episodes and keep going, or they just think it's better to have on like, you know, super fans and old cast mates and it just like fizzles. Yeah, I think doing it episode by episode

like makes it good so that you don't run out of things to talk about, but it's just a lot of homework for like the people participating. Correct. This is correct. I watched that episode of Glee for nothing. Right. Are you ready for our fifth and final story

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Southern Charm star Madison LeCroy is pregnant with her second child. Her first with her husband, Brett Randall. So Madison posted yesterday after we wrapped the toast that she is pregnant. So she already has one son, Hudson, who we all know from the show.

And now her and her husband, Brett, are expecting, which we knew that she wanted to have more kids, but then he has been having some health issues over the past year. So they kind of tabled everything. So then to see this now was just so exciting for the Madison stans, of which I am one. It's huge, but it was also huge for the clear blue stands

because she did one of my favorite things and she did a clear blue ad for her announcement, which we all know, I feel like we talk about all the time, it's like a very high paying gig. And the last one to do it was Lindsay Hubbard. So did you have the rumor that Lindsay Hubbard and her man broke up? No.

Yeah, it's like starting to form on the internet. It's completely unconfirmed, but like people are talking about it. Oh, I hope that's not true. Me too. Sorry, back to happier days. So she did a clear blue ad, which I just loved. I'm very intrigued by the clear blue of it all.

Yeah. And the picture is so pargy. So pargy. Her man is so cute. She's literally the most gorgeous girl. She's the most gorgeous girl. It's insane watching her on TV. Like every outfit, every look,

like she's always just 10 out of 10. And she's just such a great personality. She's such a star. Agreed. I love her. I'm so happy for her. And I didn't know that her man was having all those health issues until you recapped it on the show,

I think last week or the week before. And that they were trying to conceive. So like to know that like this is how it ends for them is just part. It's so beautiful. So I'll just do a little Southern charm recap because last episode was so funny. Of course, like the Craig and Paige conversation

was a highlight, but then some other things are going down like Shep and his Bahamian girlfriend and her ghosting him. But next week they are going to the Bahamas to visit her. Oh my God. Like they're taking their cast trip there. And I think it like all crumbles based on the previews. Like she's like, he's like, we're in love. And she's like, we weren't in love.

And I had told you that Whitney had matched with her on Raya and Patricia told Madison that. She's just like on Raya. Yes. And Patricia told Madison that. She's just like a thirst monster. Yeah, especially for Southern charm. And then last night Patricia held her gentleman's dinner and it was like Napoleon Bonaparte themed and the food was Italian and looked so fucking good. Oh, so you love Patricia.

No, I love Patricia now. Like her home is a museum. I can't believe I was sleeping on her. It's so funny. Every time she had. Did you see her on Watch It Happens Live saying she sold her house to Whitney? She doesn't live there anymore.

Well, she had said a few weeks ago on the show that she had transferred the house to Whitney. So she said on Watch What Happens Live, because Andy was like, what'd you sell it to him for a dollar? And she was like, no, no, I sold it to him for like a fair market price. She said it's more so part of her estate planning

to like pass it down. And like taxes. But she also doesn't want to live there anymore. She does not want to like be responsible for, it's a big house, the gardens, the staff and everything. So it's like Whitney's problem now. Yeah, and like also like the moldings, the art, the everything is antique.

Like you have to take care of it like a museum. Every time she has one of her dinners and they sit on her like 19th century chairs, like one always breaks. And usually it's Craig. Last night it was Whitney. Whitney was like jet lagged, I guess, and drunk. And he was being so crazy because Shep was saying like,

why doesn't Sienna like, why she go see me? Why doesn't she like me? And Whitney's like belligerent. And he's like, you're not rich enough. You're not famous enough. And it was just like, it was just so crazy. I guess like, cause he- But it's probably true, not a slight to Shep,

but just a slight more to this girl who clearly has like high aspirations for herself. Right, I don't think anyone's ever called Shep not rich enough. Right, right. So that was probably a shock. And like, he's obviously very wealthy. So she just probably wants more for her life.

But it was really, really funny. The whole dinner party was really great. And then what else is new with the gang? Molly, Molly, my girl, she did a modeling. She's such a good model because she was like posing in the pool. It looked like seriously so unpleasant. And then they showed the shots like the drone shots and the photographer shots. And like she has a face for the camera. Like she looked amazing. They also showed in the previews like the drone shots and the photographer shots, and she just has a face for the camera.

She looked amazing. They also showed in the previews for the rest of the season that she goes and takes Shep. Oh my God. By the way, I'm following Southern Charm via you, and really the only thing I care about is Shep and this girl getting together. Sometimes you don't even realize

what you're looking for is right in front of you. It's so true, but I don't know if he'll be open to it because he's so hung up on Sienna because I guess she's the only girl who wasn't buying what he was selling. Taylor wasn't in the episode, Sally wasn't in the episode. I didn't particularly miss them in that storyline

because now we're with the OGs. Craig, at Patricia's dinner, they were literally just roasting everyone. They were talking to Craig about his relationship with Paige and everyone just being like, it's been two and a half years, when are you gonna propose? And it's like, that's Rich coming from this group.

Austin's in a long-term relationship. None of them have girlfriends. None of them have girlfriends. They're always in long-term, how long did Shep date Taylor for and didn't propose to her? Excuse me, Austin was in a long-term relationship with Madison and he cheated on her, please.

Meanwhile, Patricia's like, in my day, if you met someone and you hit it off, you got married. Patricia's been married like six times. Right, no, no, seriously. But like you can't tell me nothing about Patricia, but it's just like a room full of people that shouldn't be, Craig shouldn't be listening to him. And I don't even think that he is.

And at a certain point he's like, yeah, we're looking at rings just to get them to shut up. Shut up, yeah. But I'm sure they were. No, and in the previews, he says like he had bought a ring. Right, yeah, right. And he alluded to that on Watch It Happen Side. He's like, Andy, I don't wanna,

but you know that like we were talking about like weddings and stuff. And he said, I don't wanna spoil it, but. Yeah. So he must talk about it more. Yeah, yeah. So it's been really a great, great season. And it's just crazy that all of this happened in the spring

and that conversation between Paige and Craig where they're clearly like on different pages was six months ago. So everything's sort of just been. Downhill. Downhill, yeah. Well, thank you for the Southern Charm recap. Let's finish out the week with Queenie and Weenie,

my absolute favorite part of the week where Jackie and I like to give out an award. It's a great way to sum up the week, put a little bow on it. And we like to nominate two people for Queenie of the week and Weenie of the week. And they're pretty self-explanatory titles. You know, somebody who acted like a Queenie this week and somebody who acted like a Weenie this week.

It's not that serious, it's a seven day title. You can be Queenie one week, Weenie the next, even though it's yet to happen. Okay, your Queenie? My Queenie of the week is Michael Buckner. Michael Buckner has been such a cornerstone of our week and him and his family hearing the episode, reaching out, we ought to get the shoot on the books.

Like it's just been a reminder of why we do what we do. A thousand percent. I couldn't agree more. Michael Buckner was also my Queenie, but I wanted you to have your Queenie moment. And I also wanted to give an honorable mention to Onija Andrew Robinson, the American woman in Pakistan. She is my Queenie of the week.

And for future reference, if anybody's just gonna ask me a question I don't wanna answer, I'm just gonna let them know that telling you my business is against my religion. Cause that's what she said and she's a hundred percent valid. That is so funny. Who do you have for weenie? My weenie of my week goes to every single reporter

down in New Orleans. Oh, that's good. Asking Travis Kelce inappropriate questions. They have gotten worse. I've seen so many. He is seriously withering away in front of these people. Like he's just gonna disappear. And I saw another NFL player on his team

talking about, I think it's that guy, you know the girl who Taylor loves, Shani? Shani? I think it's her husband. He was asked like, what do you think about how many reporters? I guess each individual player has like their own little podium and reporters can choose to go.

And I guess so many people go to Travis's and he was like, that's the Taylor Swift effect. And so you see, I saw like a bird's eye perspective of how many people go to Travis's podium. And it's seriously absurd. And the fact that people work so hard to get there and then that's the question that they ask,

absolutely disgraceful. I love that. Weenie. And my weenie will be piggybacking. And sorry, wait, just to connect my Queenie and my Weenie, Travis needs to start saying, telling you my business is against my religion. That's what he needs to say. But it's not, like he has a podcast.

You can't say that if you have a podcast. I don't know, I feel like Onija is about to start a podcast. She launched a Bitcoin. My Weenie is related to your Weenie because my Weenie will be the AP reporters who snubbed babyface. Oh shit, that's a really good one. Not the Grammys being this week. Yeah.

Oh wow. Oh, by the way, I wanna change mine. No, I think like- What about the state of journalism? I think the overarching message is the weenies in journalism. Yeah, I forgot about those two bitches from the AP. I hate them. It was really the one, like the other one's going down my throat. I know, it's true. about those two bitches from the AP. I hate them. It was really the one.

Like the other one's going down my throat. I know. It's true. It was curly hair on the left. Yeah, there was one that was like, chapel, sorry baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And she was the one who had to apologize at the end of the stream.

Yeah, the other girl is just like, her face is associated, but. She's guilty by association. But it was mostly one girl. I'm gonna let you go, Jax. Get back in bed. Thank you for showing up and being and holding space. We truly appreciate you.

Thank you to the Toasters for a fab week, even though you keep making fun of our Wayne's Coding, which is actually the proper term for the frames behind us. I know you guys obviously don't understand elevated taste. But that's our show. They're probably so happy today because they didn't have to see them. So true.

It's a dream for the frame haters. The Wayne Scott-ing haters. Right. Wayne's coding? I don't know, literally don't know. I think Scott. I actually, I don't know. Thank you so much for listening

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