The Toast - Jaxon Claud Osprey: Tuesday, May 26th, 2026

Episode Date: May 26, 2026

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It's Jackson, Claude and neighbor show the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off, swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy Tuesday that feels like a Monday because it was a long weekend. Yeah, no, it's very exciting that today's Tuesday. It doesn't feel like a Tuesday, but then like when you think about it, it's Tuesday, which means we're closer to Friday.

It also means we're doing some dear toasters today. Oh, my God, I was so not prepared. That feels wrong. And major shout out because a day like today, we have so much to catch. up on. I took so many things off my content plate. We might have pushed dear toaster's to tomorrow, but the DTQ should be really shouting out to our sponsor, Weight Watchers. Today's Dear Toasters is sponsored by Weight Watchers. So we couldn't push it off to Wednesday. No, we couldn't. We would have. We would have. So T2Q to the WW, T.W. TY.

TY. Well, happy Tuesday after a long Memorial Day weekend. We had such like a fun family full weekend. I just want to take a moment to thank our troops. To those who have served. Amen. We didn't do it before the weekend, but I I saw so many emotional reels of troops. Of course, homecoming videos. That to like Travel and Soldier by Cody Johnson. Thank God for my life. For the stars and stripes,

made freedom forever fly. Let it ring. Salute the ones who died, the ones that gave their lives so we don't have to sacrifice. All the things we love, like our chicken pride. Kobe on Friday.

There's so many good songs Travel and Soldier. You know that song's actually by the Dixie Chicks, but Cody Johnson's like unofficial cover, which he literally never released, is like the go-to song for military homecoming videos. Yeah, so I was watching a bunch of those and just wanted to say thank you to our Of course, we forget.

Military families. We get so caught up in the bank holiday of it all. In the barbecue, taking day off work. We forget what it's really about. Yeah, so. Thank you for bringing that up. And for those who have given their lives. to our country for our freedom so that we can be swirly. Now I feel like the theme of my day

slash episode is like I'm cleaning my plate like my plate is being cleaned I watched took so many things off my theme is this is your plate. Yes actually thank you. Shat and Baddore this is my plate and my plate is kind of like on ozambic because it's getting smaller and smaller over the weekend I watched remarkably bright creatures and I have so many thoughts like literally terrible. Two I finish coppers bellbird and strangers and we have a story today about it so we will re kept the book in the story because there's news about copper spelled bird and strangers. And I just want to say, like, my timing couldn't have been better. Because now there's, the book's been like lit for, what, six months.

I took forever to read it. And now there's like drama around the book. Thank God I've read it. I would have felt so left out. Yeah. My copy of Lena Dunham's memoir arrived. I do want to say, it's really long. And part of the appeal, I haven't even started yet.

I just saw the thickness of it. Part of the appeal to me was like every time people were posting it online, it just looked like a short little collection of essays. No, it's giving like memoirs. It's like long. Memoirs of Alina. It's also her second memoirs. So you would think like how long could this one be?

You're only like 35. Yeah. So we'll see if I get into that. But really proud of myself. Things that remain on my list. Oh, and I caught up on Rhode Island. And so did I. So we'll talk about it in the stories.

Yeah. Like, do you know what I mean? Yeah. If you're not watching on YouTube, like I just made a stink face. That's how I feel about Rory right now. Yeah. I'm excited to talk about it though.

Me too. Because we need to get to the bottom of things. Are you like feeling more team Kelsey yet? No, actually. I'm feeling team. No one. I think this is now that I've like started to get to know everyone, I think it's the biggest group of losers. Half of them are just genuinely uncool. Half of them are so unscrupled. Like I love Joe Ellen, but she is so two-faced. And the other half are genuinely mean. Like I think Liz and

Kelsey are so mean. Click's gonna click. Clarke's gonna click by the way, 1,000%. No, Rosie is chronically online. Oh yeah, because she said click's gonna click in last night's episode. Not even from the toast just because we're like a viral sound. But like I keep seeing now like her videos on my Instagram and stuff. Like she makes like, you know. Reels. Yeah, like influencer type reels. Her and Ashley too, but Ashley's done that for years. And she's a successful. And she's just like chronically online, which is weird in the real housewife,

but I guess if we're like blending real housewives and salamoo that this is what like Bravo wants is like for TikToking housewives. Right. It's not my favorite. Ticktucking housewives, that's just a terrible sentence. They're not supposed to be. They're supposed to be like reels. Reels mamas.

Last night was a major night in my household. I did fall asleep. But I felt really good falling asleep. because the Knicks were up by like 30 and I just like laid down and I was planning on, I watched the first two quarters and I usually fall asleep around the third quarter but this one I really fell asleep early.

It was nice so I slept really good. The next year going to the NBA finals which in my house is the biggest deal in the world I do really understand why Ben is so drama but so on Saturday night was the last game I went to a bar, yeah that's right like we had drinks at a bar like a sports bar and we like watch a game I was being so grab a slice

like how chill is that? What would you do? Like I grabbed a beer with my one of a beer. What did you have? Teal soda. Like, I had drinks with my wife at a sports bar. And like I was with the other people because, you know, I feel like in Florida is like a lot of New York transplants. So like everyone in the bar, it might as well have been a Nix bar. And I didn't go to a next bar. I just went to like a bar. And I was like with other people being like that was sick. Like you would have been proud of me. I was so chill. Like

so pick me. So grab a slice. And is that what I want for you? Yeah. Yeah. You because like it really makes Ben so happy. Yeah. You're just trying to be like the model wife. No. And I'm seriously raising the bar. Like, I was being so like and then I saw Travis and Taylor on like in live like they showed them on TV once we literally got they never showed them again like the bar went wild like as if the Knicks had scored it was it was honestly one of the craziest moments of my life like seeing Taylor on that screen you could have said someone's gonna pop up that she was there like that all happened this weekend yeah it was the longest weekend yeah there were two Knicks games so then last

night was you know the fourth of the series the Knicks were up three zero do you know that in NBA history no team has ever come back from a three zero you know you have to win best of seven so you have to get to four first no one's ever come back from three zero and one instance in the championships or in all playoffs is that weird is wrong i know that feels weird i know um is been okay no so obviously i fell asleep i didn't see until this morning that he released a statement my husband oh that's giving my wife fell asleep and i'm putting out a statement but that's like it's it's giving my wife fell asleep by nobody to talk about my feelings so i wrote them down on instagram so who were they playing against we don't know yet who's it between the thunder and the spurs Oklahoma city are

San Antonio. Okay. Oklahoma City is closer, though. Ben's hoping for San Antonio. There are more direct flights. He's so crazy. So I woke up and I saw a statement. It was just crazy to be like laying next to somebody who released a statement about the NICs.

But like I do understand this is kind of like his Taylor Swift, maybe even more. Yeah. Like Ben said it was like the first thing he ever loved was the Nix. He was being so drama last night. And then when we are at the bar, I was like, do you think that like if they go to the finals or win the finals, like you would cry? And he goes, I don't know what my body's capable of. He's so drama. He's so drama.

I'm really happy for. him. Yeah, me too. And the Brunson boys was the chat on fire. Ben is always like, you're always on your phone with the next game. Like you have to watch you have to talk. I'm like, you're always on your phone. You and your little chat. Like they're so ever, do you see that? They're always so drama. These refs, these refs, I can't. But they're so excited. I wonder if they'll take like a group trip to a game. Yeah. Someone needs to bring the Brunson boys to a game. Yes. If you're really looking for to activate in the NBA finals in a meaningful way, you have to bring the Brunson boys. Well, you know that two playoff tickets before the Knicks were confirmed. They do sell tickets. They do sell tickets. it's before you even know who's going to be in the playoffs. But two New Yorkers, I think they set a record. It was like $275,000 per ticket. It's going to be insane. Is he going to go? So Ben is like definitely working on the budget.

Like, but is there a way to go that's not 200? Well, you can. I think they said today at 10 a.m. is when tickets go on sale face value. It's literally the error store. Like, good luck getting something face value. And if you can get face value, they are pricey, but it's not like resale. I guess he could always go in like, would he ever go in like the 200 section?

Yeah, of course. Of course. I also, Ben says, that it's going to be cheaper the games that are away. Right, of course. So he's definitely going to travel, and I support that. Okay. We're working it out, you know?

We're figuring it out. It's really crazy. Oh, do you see Kylie was sitting in the second row? Yes. Well, I heard that the owner of the Cavaliers said if any of the season ticket holders on the floor sell their tickets to Knicks fans, they'll be banned. Oh, I didn't hear that. So they had to sit in the second row.

That's why Travis and Taylor sat in the first row because they're a cavalier. Cavalier, but all Knicks fans, no one could get floor seat. Yeah, I saw Spike Lee also sitting in the second row. Oh, that's a good tea. I didn't hear that. I don't know where I heard that. Well, I do know that if you sit courtside at an away game, you're not allowed to wear logos of the other team.

So I thought maybe like Kylie and Timothy wanted to rock out. So they like put their t-shirts on in the second row. Yeah, maybe. But her t-shirt was also giving like I bought this at the merch stand. Her t-shirt was seriously giving like one of Ben's T-shirts from middle school. And she wore it with blue jeans. Like she was so regular. Except there was nothing regular about it.

She was being so funny. Well, then with the Black Croc, but she was being so funny last night, all, like, jumping around and taking pictures. And she was getting in, like, random people's pictures. I do think she was, like, a little tipsy. And you know who is definitely drunk? Taylor.

There are so many videos of Taylor, like, at the game. But then also, like, walking out and Travis taking the picture with the kid, she was turned. You could tell her cocktail on her hand the whole time, and she looked drunk. I thought she looked drunk. Which I love.

But also, it's like in one picture. Like, if you're in the middle of a blink, you look drunk. No, I thought the video. Like even when you saw that video of them walking out, like a little kid, like everyone wants a picture with them. But a little kid comes up to Travis and Taylor like stops Travis and grabs him. They're like, Taylor doesn't mess around when it comes to kids. Like she's like, there's a kid, go.

I can just tell the way she like gave him a little shove. She was drunk. Also, Liz posted a video of Taylor walking out of the stadium. I guess she's always used to people being there for her. So she goes to someone, thanks for coming. You know, I saw that too. She was like, bye, everyone. Thanks for coming.

Like it was a big night. That's like when you tell your waiter, like enjoy this. Can you tell you teacher? I love you. No. when the waiters like enjoy your food and you're like you too totally she's definitely like kicking yourself she was definitely drunk yeah which i love date night date no right do you think she has a drinking problem yeah yeah i do does taylor swift have a drinking problem things we're covering on today's

episode this is literally sports podcast we're back to being so sporty which i'm excited for of course we are and i got to find out who's on the i think so victor webb and yama you know that guy who punched pretty spires yes he's like the seven i think he's seven eight he's like a pen says he's gonna be like a six seven no seven eight you've been hanging out with the kids too much i've been hanging out with margot too much margot was at my house this week i miss margot satchel maloney i do have to find out on the other teams like who they end up playing what like the sort of pop culture implications are well the spurs have ben simmons no he's out of tv booker no are you sure no i'm not you know who love oh web yeah i mean i guess those are the pop culture implications the guy who put pretty spires

sons. Yeah. And I will say, like, a lot of my basketball knowledge is, like, from when I was in high school because, like, I was pretending to, like, basketball, like, to be cool to boys. And I actually ended up, like, knowing a lot and learning a lot. It's just a shame that Danilo Gallinari isn't here to see this. You're telling me. And, like, DeNlo Gallinari walked so Jalenbrensen could run. It's true. When Ben released his statement about, like, all the great news. And he didn't include Danilo. That's because, like, he's threatened by Danillo. The Danilo Arrasier. Absolutely. I need to comment that. All I could think is like, I'm so happy for you. That's a good comment. The Danil Gallinari Eurasia. It's disgusting. So I know that like a celebrity implication to the San Antonio Spurs is like for a really long time their best player was Tony Parker who was married to Eva Longuoria like during the height of his career.

And like she used to go to games and stuff and then he cheated on her like disgusting. Disgusting. But now she's married to a billionaire. So we can't root for the Spurs. No, we can't root for the Spurs. I'm commenting on Ben's pose. Gallinard. Before you forget your good comment.

Yeah. Like before I move on with my life. Erasure. he'll crack up. Whenever I talk to Ben about like Nix, I literally bring up players from 2012.

So like you're telling me tights and Chandler's not going. Oh, you know there's a player called Mitchell. I saw him. Snitchell. Like the team is so toastcoded.

It is. Remember Jalen Brunson put us on his Instagram last year? Plus Kylie. Of course. No. And then when Taylor was there like it was genuinely too much for me.

Yeah. Do you think she got some sort of clearance that like Kylie wasn't going to be there? No, I don't think she's scared of them. Also because she gets front row. And like she has her Man. Yeah, yeah, it's true.

Once you have your man, like... And I feel, I don't feel like she hates Kylie. No, Kylie's just, like, collateral. Yeah. So if she, like, ran into Kylie, I don't think it, like, I don't think she has, like, a dartboard with Kylie's face on it, like, it has Kim. Well, I'm sure we'll talk about...

The next is that stories? Did we just want to get it out of the way? Like, we sort of did. We sort of talked about it. Well, I'm ready to... And we're going to be talking about it, like, all... I'm transitioning. All week long.

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Oh, yeah. I'm not, what's the context on the basketball drama? Okay. So in the most recent episode of Real House of Rhode Island, And Kelsey accuses Rosie of having slept with a married basketball coach who then paid her off so that she wouldn't talk about it. And that's how she affords her house. And that's how she has money. Because we don't know how she has money.

No, of course. And I agree that there is questions, especially now that I know what her husband does for a living. Like, I have a lot of questions. Right. I don't think a one-time payoff from like a basketball coach unless it's like, you know, Mike Tibadego or whatever the next coach's name is, like is really going to sustain a whole lifestyle. Well, I also need to know more about her house. Like what neighborhood is, like, you know, what sort of neighborhood is.

what does a lot go for? You know, because she bought the smaller house and is building a bigger house. So, like, there are different, way different varying degrees of how much that could cost. You know, it could cost less than a million dollars. He could have paid her a million dollars.

Then you also sent me a clip this morning from the after show where one of the producers asked sort of clarify a little bit more about her finances and her husband's finances. And they also have clips of the other girls talking about things they know about her family, his family. And it's very unclear. Yeah, I wasn't really concerned before.

I didn't find their house to be, like, so extravagant that I was like, how are they paying for this? I just assumed he has a, a good job and she's working on the influencing thing you know and she's now going to be a housewife so they'll do well but like her videos that she was making of like going to local bakeries and stuff like was 30 views so i don't think that was like bringing in the money yet but then she gave an explanation of how they make their money and she like cited a lot of random shit and it was

and she has clients like it was so random all of a sudden i had concerns i did not have them before it's true and i really thought kelsey was being like nosy but now i feel like her claims are her concerns are very valid more than that did you see the most recent episode of tea by the sea No. Dave Portnoy joined the conversation because he was like, my girlfriend's watching this Real House of Rhode Island and they said that the girl had a fair with a basketball coach. He said, and this brings me back to a couple of years ago when the coach of the basketball team for the University of Providence, Providence University, and they're a really good team. They were a really strong basketball team.

All of a sudden left the team. He went to go to another state and play somewhere else. And at the time there were whispers that he had had an affair and that the wife was like, we're not staying around here with your mistress, like we're leaving town. And he moved to a different college team. And so that would be the coach in question. So I had heard that like this affair is actually well known. Like the affair, the coach's affair. I don't know if it's with Rosie.

Of Providence. There is like people know this story. I obviously haven't heard about it. But people in the sports. He was very involved. He sold T-shirts. Oh, yeah. It was like a big drama at the time.

Yeah, so I hadn't heard of it, but it's not like out of nowhere. I assume that they can't say the guy's name. It's like slander or whatever. But yeah, this most recent episode for me, I feel like I was so invested. Like, who side am I on? And I just saw like really ugly sides of everyone that I really dislike everyone. And once again, like, it was such a bad episode for everybody. Like the under the table thing was not funny.

It was such a bad episode for Liz. Like, I don't even like Alicia that much, but that car scene was really painful. She's really mean. She's just mean. And the thing is they were like, she's the leader. She's like, everyone wants to impress Liz, right? Like, she's the rich one. She's the OG Rhode Island.

And she's not like a benevolent leader. She's like a bitch. And I really don't like her. And I think Kelsey, like, is so desperate to crawl up her ass. So, like, she thinks, like, being mean to everyone is going to get her that. And so I just really don't like her. But I don't like anyone I wanted to smack Ashley. Like, guys, like, why are we yelling?

It's like, you're yelling, first of all. You're making the biggest scene. And second of all, like, you brought everyone here to your place of business, like, for this reason, to make a spectacle for your place of business. like so Jared can be happy. So they're just actually doing what you asked of them because if you actually cared, you would have disinvited Kelsey. Yeah, you wouldn't have invited the both of them.

Right. No, her not being able to function because the girls were fighting and then she's like in the back crying to Jared. I know. And it's like I want to hate Jared because he's really not a supportive husband. And I just want to be clear.

I do hate Jared. But watching it's like your wife's crying. Like why don't you like rub her shoulder like something. Oh, no. I'm like your wife's a big lady. Like you're trying to run trivia night. I think he like can't stand her. No, I think that he likes her.

No, I actually think they have a nice relationship, but like, you know, she has her handicaps, as does he. And I feel like, you're telling me. Like, he's very patient with, like, her and her emotions and whatnot. And she's very patient with him in his dreams. Yeah. Oh, God. Not his dreams. Um, so, like, it was just a bad episode for everyone. Like, and even though I think Liz is nuts and she's obviously like a bad drunk, because she's definitely a little drunk in the car. And then I think when they get to fretsonatra, I think, and I, maybe this is why I come for grace. Like, when she was sitting in the back row, she was really unhappy. Like, you can tell she was just like trying to figure out ways to

get up front. When she got in the back row, she was shocked as to how she ended up there. Yeah. And I can relate to it. You get in the car first. When you're getting in a suburban, turty tip, never get him first. Like back row with a cheeseboard, like my personal nightmare. Yeah, the cheeseboard was really unnecessary and it was pissing me over. They didn't figure out what to do with it. And then I guess I sort of tuned out the fight. It was just a lot of the fighting in the car. So I don't, I didn't realize how mean Liz was getting. But Alicia is like a little bird and like if she wants to say she's homeless like let her. Alicia's storyline is like really not cutting it for me. Like your poor decisions in your marriage and like not having any

they're not even married. Oh sorry. Exactly. In your relationship. And then like your family trauma. Sorry, that's like season four fodder. I'm just getting to know you and you're bringing nothing. That's what I thought about Joellen having this like lifelong conversation. Yes, but Joellen is like a bone carrier too. Like she's getting the video of Rula. Like yeah, she's providing for the storyline. When she had her mother apologize on the steps that was painful 40 years worth of trauma on TV on season. You're giving this in season one. What if you don't get renewed? Terrible. And you just. gave us all that.

But Alicia gives nothing outside of that. Yeah. At least Joellen, like, tries, but she is really two-faced. Because she's right. She was at the dinner saying, you know, her husband knew them growing up. Gary said, so it's like she's hyping up Liz and then really like being like a mediator. It's like, well, you're not a mediator because you started this too. So I understand why, but I think that Liz, like, definitely, I don't think she has a

drinking problem. But people who get like that when they're drunk have a problem when they drink and they shouldn't drink. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was more of like a motion sickness thing. Oh, okay. Also, do you see that like Liz and Dino and the drug bust?

Yeah. Like, I. let me tell you something when dino enters the conversation i'm out you leave yeah like i don't care if dino was if dino's sitting in prison right now who is dino in this world yeah i don't give a shit we never got like a package on dino we're just like supposed to care about this ancillary character who we literally saw from the back like liz's random fishing friend i don't care i'm just like starting like i was like obsessed with the show now i'm starting to like hate every life it's like not that's what i'm saying like it's something to watch and and cool for that but it's not like amazing no and i'm sorry like this is going to be really mean

Everyone is poor. And like, I like my housewives affluent. Sorry. I like to be impressed. And it's just insane that like this is the same show that once housed like Leah Black, you know? Like, truly, when you look at the women of Beverly Hills and like their wealth and like the connection, like. But like what else says I just don't understand like the neighborhoods yet. Like like it seems as a like Liz lives on the water.

Right. She has like a very big house. So I guess like she's of means. But like the other women, it's like if that house is in an app is in a, you know, a good neighborhood. stately rich neighborhood, then that's a really expensive house. If it's not, then it's not an expensive house. None of them are super wealthy. Like, that's really just it.

Okay. Well, I guess they're trying to be more like Slamu then because it's like maybe we don't need the wealth. Maybe they focus too much on wealth. It's hard. No, but it's hard to cast wealthy people. Wealthy people don't need to be famous. And a lot of times they don't want to be.

But I also think like Slamu is doing Slamu. Like stick with what you do. No, and the Valley is like the Bravo version of, you know, young mothers, like women in their 30s. Like, you have that. Why don't you focus on that? How's wives are supposed to be older women. I'm sorry, older women make good reality TV because they have like no self-awareness.

These are not older women. These are not wealthy women. It's just like a random TV show of like honestly a lot of trashy people. I'm not liking it. No, there's a lot of trashiness going on. Absolutely. The outfits, like everything. Yeah.

And the behavior. Of course. So when Kelsey came in and slam pig, it's like that's not really how I would react. React to something so, so fucking insulting and degrading. And it's like, why all of a sudden I thought we can't call women's slumper. and whores and slam pigs. I just want to say I never subscribed to that. You're all of the horse.

No, but on TV and on Bravo, like, woke nation, you can call her a slut? Yeah, I think that's, like, sort of what... I don't think Bravo ever really stopped. They were always, like, accusing each other, being a stripper, Melissa Gorga. But it's, like, it's just, it's crazy. Like, that's just nasty.

And also, when they were... I'm glad they talked a lot about the word because it does sound like a slur. Like, it's a crazy word. Yeah, and it's also the way, like, a nasty guy would talk about a woman. A woman. Somebody said that on the episode.

Yeah, locker room talk. And so it's really disgusting. So if I were, Kelsey, I would not want to highlight that I was called like an ugly, like, I guess it's her way of saying like I'm not even close to this, especially because a slam pig is considered unattractive. Like, she's not. So, yeah, it's like funny because it's not even close to the truth. But if it was like a little bit like the truth.

I guess because she's also like saying it so much that I'm like really over it, which is good. Like, no, it's actually. So what I'm saying is that's not how I would go about it. But I think she's actually like handling it in a way that's really like diffusing the situation. You know, it's a lot with the sash and the pig. Pigtails? Question mark? Why was she wearing pigtails? Oh, was she?

I didn't like that. And because, like, so much of my lover, her... Is her look. Is her looks. And when she compromises her look, she compromises the entire situation. So I don't even know if she was acting well or not in that situation, because I was focused on the fact that the looks were not looking. Nobody won that fight.

I think, like, any goodwill I had for Rosie after that fight, because she did eat her up. Like, she was just, like, screaming, you're a loser. Like, I sounded just like her. Yeah. Oh, my God. It wasn't a good fight. like the under the table thing was stupid. And also you were right.

Rosie like got I guess chewed up at the castle. I didn't even notice that that was happening, but she did. And then she like went home and thought of all of her insult. And then the next and then you see, I watched it the previously on that conversation with Rich, he was like, if they come for you, give them hell. So she's like ready to give them hell. Nobody really came for her. The ween-wing is a joke.

Like it was a joke. She didn't think she's a house. How could that not be, how could that be anything other than a joke? Of course. It was a self-deprecating joke, which is a good way to go into a situation. Herself. So I didn't think it was that funny, but like she's making fun of herself. She's trying to diffuse the situation.

And that's when you decide to unleash, like, everything that you worked on in your room in the mirror, all the insults you were going to sling. I'm not impressed. Agreed. I'm not impressed. Agreed. So that's your Rory recap. Yeah. Our next story, Copper's Bell Burden.

Oh my God. Okay. So I finished a book. And let me just tell you what I thought about the book. I really liked it short and sweet. Like she tells you what happens in the first. chapter and then you have to suffer through her family history, which is interesting, but like, what's happening to your house? Like, that's what I want to know. And yes, it is a story that

every woman should read because if it can happen to this insanely, like, generationally wealthy, well-educated woman, it can literally happen to anyone. So now I think a lot of the criticisms, one in which we'll talk about today, is like she's so privileged, but like the book was kind of insufferable in her acknowledgement of her privilege. It's like, okay, we get it, you're rich, but like, you're still a person. Like, she just kept having to caveat her wealth, like her family wealth to the point where it was like okay we get it like you not want us to feel bad for you and then also like the bird metaphor is like i understood the point but like she really went a little too hard like every i skipped every paragraph when i saw the word osprey i'm like i'm like i'm like i'm out

like it was so what you mean claudia osprey it was just such a heavy-handed metaphor and like in the beginning i thought i got it yeah and by the end i was like okay we're like beating this a little yeah but that's like you know that's what the literary world wants to see yeah and i didn't know that it was a story born out of a modern love submission. But I remember this modern love submission going so viral. So when she was talking about it in the book, I brief, like I kind of knew what she was talking about. She's an excellent writer. Definitely an interesting story. And now a lot of people are debating, you know, the merits of her divorce and the New York, New Yorker or New York? New Yorker. Did like a big investigation because they went through her court documents. Obviously all these are like

public filings. What she had said in the book was that her, she's a wealthy woman who married like a middle class guy with like a job. And he worked in finance, so like with a lot of earning potential. Right. And they were married for, you know, a long marriage. They had kids who were like well into their teenage years. Yeah. They were probably married like 20 years. And he woke up, if you haven't read the book yet, this is a spoiler. He like woke up one day like at the very beginning of the pandemic. The world shut down. They go to their house in Martha's Vineyard. He makes up one day. She finds out that he had an affair. She's literally got a call from the girl, the lady's husband. She's walking to tell him and he's like, he tells her and he leaves. And like literally she never

sees him again. Maybe three or four times he wants no custody. He does not want to see the kids. He wants no involvement in their life. He wants out completely. He never wants to see her again. He acts like the sun is shining too, like the whole time. They never even fight. Like, because he just is gone. He just like disappears. So the book is like her dealing with like, you know, the morning of her marriage, you know, feeling so confused, like literally. What was what in her relationship? Did she ever even know this person? Right. And I can just do this to her. We learn a lot about her history and his history. He like grew up at a wealthy family that like lost their money. So they were like fine. But he obviously had this like innate drive to like get back to his,

restore his family's glory. So he worked in finance and he eventually worked his way up to like a huge hedge fund. She really had no idea how much money he was making because their financials were kind of weird. They had separate financials but a joint bank account and every month they both contributed, even though she stopped working. She did not work. She raised their three kids. They contribute, but she had a lot of family money. So they both contributed to this bank account. But it's also tied up in trust. It's not like she was just like, you know, banging the credit card. So they would both contribute to this joint bank account and that would pay all the household bills. So she really did not know how much money her husband was making. And she said, like, she was, like, kind of blissfully unaware.

She really, really trusted him. He was like a real, she married like a safe guy. He wasn't like the hottest, coolest. He was just like a good, smart, really nice guy. They met at a law firm. She was a lawyer. She quit her job. And then she tells us about her family, which is like, you know, she has connections to Standard Oil. Yeah. On her father's side, she is a descendant of Cornelius Vanderbilt. On her mother side, one of the founders of Standard Oil and her grandmother was the social life, Babe Paley. So there wasn't like unlimited money for her, but she does say that like her stepmother and her mom helped her with like the kids tuition and um they had trust for her and she used money from her inheritance to buy their apartment in new york when they first got married and a house

on martha's vineyard her family took the money out of her trust and then put it in a marital home thus making it like marital property her family made her sign a pre-up when she got married and her husband said that anything that is used to buy um he basically said anything that we bring into the marriage is separate. Yeah. But, and sorry, anything we make in the marriage, everything separate. Like just everything separate. But legally, like any marital home is going to be 50-50.

So her lawyer was like, I really do not advise this. And she went against legal advice. Like what she did, the pre-up that she signed was worse than not having a pre-up at all. Of course. Because if she hadn't had a pre-up at all, she would have been entitled to half of what he made during the marriage. But what they signed was basically, you keep all the money that you make. I'm no longer working.

And I'm putting, before he, like, made his million. they bought the apartment in the house. They spent all of her family money. They spent her family money, which takes it from being inheritance money to marital property. Inherit money cannot be taken in a divorce. It is protected. Yeah. So like if that money stayed in trusts, he wouldn't have access to it, pre-up or no pre-up, but because she got millions of dollars in real estate. In both of their name, she put her husband's name on every deed, even though he did not contribute one dollar to their home. So she literally gave him half of her trust because she drained her trusts to buy those homes while he got to keep every single penny that he made. The world's worst pre-up. And they had a really good marriage

and she wasn't really worried and she said they always had plans to just call the lawyer and have it voided and the one time they actually went to do it he was like oh let's just like not do that and she was like okay so they never really addressed it

and then he literally like had a lobotomy woke up one day and decided he hated his family never wanted to see his children or family ever again and the one last thing wait I wanted to say oh so in the book she's talking about how during the process of the filings she thinks she's going to lose both of her houses and he's like really like being like the worst type of guy

because she can because he's owed 50% of each house even though When he left her, he said, you can keep the apartment. At the very end, he just wanted to make her sick. No, no. In the beginning, he's like, I'm leaving. Keep Martha's Vineyard, keep the apartment. I don't want anything from the kids, like, but I'm leaving goodbye.

So they go through all the court proceedings and filings. And she's so, like, mad at him rightfully so that she files a petition. She never tells us exactly what's in the petition, but she, like, alluded to the fact that it was pretty scathing. And really enraged him. And he was like, well, never mind, I'm coming for half the house and half the apartment. and you will lose both of those things. And you don't get like half of my fortune. Right.

And the fortune, so she didn't really know like how much money he was making. And then when everything came out in the divorce, she found out like he was worth like almost $100 million. He was working at a huge hedge fund. He was a partner at a hedge fund. Yeah, like insane. She had no idea how wealthy it was. But he literally kept his own money and let her and her family's dwindling inheritance

continue to support their lifestyle. Wow. Also, he was so cardboard. Oh, yeah. He was so cheap. He was so cheap. He wouldn't let them do anything. Like, oh my God.

He was so cardboard. board with the finances. So now this New Yorker article is like looking at... And to the point of being controlling, you know? Yes, yes. But she like blamed it on his family trauma. You know, when they lost all their money, obviously he has got a lot of trauma. Oh, so, so in their divorce proceeding, he's hanging over her head, like, you're going to lose the apartment and the house. You'll have to move, like, you'll get half of what it's worth, but then you have to buy somewhere else. Or you have to buy me out. She can't buy him out. Um, even though when he initially left,

he said, like, you can have the thing. And then at the end, like, right before they're about to go to trial, he gives it, he says you can keep. both houses. But she, like for months, maybe even years, like she thought she was losing her homes. So what this article, like their big revelation is that they looked through the court documents and he also gave her a $3 million settlement. And so like she's not honest and she's privileged. And like now I think that they feel like her whole story is invalidated because she did leave

that out. And I just want to say like $3 million is amazing. Like, please give it to me. But like the people that were talking about, like that's not a lot of money compared to his wealth. If somebody you're married to, you feel like you put your whole life on hold so he can earn $100 million. You really do deserve 50 and you get three. Like that's not a lot. I don't know why she didn't include it in the book. Also, he's paying child support until the children are 22. Thanks. You've never seen your children. Like so her child support does amount to $600,000 a year, which like obviously is a

lot of money. But like he doesn't ever want to see his kids again. So yeah, thanks for the money. They got to go to school. Yeah. No, and it's like her family was paying for tuition and like their whole lives. Ticket things and he was just hoarding all of his money. So now like of course everything that's what like ability is. Oh no. So they're like they're casting like doubt, you know, she's not that sympathetic. And the thing is I don't really care about the details. Like sure it's good to know that she wasn't like destitute after the fact. They also cited the fact that she had like these huge trust. There's one in her name that's $45 million. But it's like left for her to take care of her stepmom. She doesn't have access to $45 million.

That doesn't even matter. Even if she did conceptually, this is the law. Your inherited money does not marital. So, like, great, she has a lot of money. She is still entitled, not because of her dumb-ass pre-up, but hypothetically, she gave up her whole life to raise her family. Like, she is entitled. And also, he got wealthy off of her back because his first job in finance was at, like, her brother or her uncle's company. And I do think that's how he got so wealthy.

Yeah. So it's just like, no. The naysayers, like, people are getting so lost in the details when I feel like, yes, the bigger point is like, look, this is. a woman who had access to the best lawyers, to the best trust, the best everything, the best financial advisors, and even she almost lost everything. It hadn't been for his last minute mediation. It's not like they didn't advise. Like she went against legal advice, which is insane to do. She's like dumb. Yeah. That has to be like said. Yeah. We have to talk about like the book itself. But anyway, so this New Yorker article is just like, you know, saying, oh, she's all this moneyed and whatever. And I guess she could

have included that she wound up getting like spousal support and child support. But it doesn't take away from like the message of the book, which is like women need to be financially literate in their marriages, understand what's going on. Also, don't go against legal advice. Yeah, no, it's literally reminding me of Alicia for Rory. Don't give away your inherited money to your husband while also ensuring that he doesn't have to give you a penny of his money.

Absolutely. Like, that's really the message. But the more I, like, think about the book, because at first I'm like, oh, what a crazy story, you know, strangers. Then I'm, like, starting to think about it as, like, every woman needs to read this book. everyone needs to like realize like what could happen. The best marriage.

She didn't marry someone who was like a risk. She said I married someone so safe. She loved me so much. There was no red flags. It was a good marriage. Yeah. So like the fact that this could happen like know that. You know?

And also, you know, to have the world's worst pre-up. Right. Know that too. But then like the more time I spent thinking about the book, like I found her to be really frustrating. Yeah. Like I think she's like everyone's here and now like this victim. But it really bothers me that she like kept forcing her kids

to like go over there. He got an apartment like without even a room for the... No, he got a second bedroom and he turned it into an office. Without a room for the 12 year old daughter. And it's like if you don't want to see the kids, like I'm not going to put my kids in that environment. And I feel like so often when women like get divorced and they don't want to, it's like it's a tragedy that they're not going to have their kids 100% of the time.

And what they wanted was a family all of the time. So it's like the fact that he didn't really want to see them like, thanks. Right. It could have been so much worse. Like you also then like he's fighting you for custody. Right. That felt like such a blessing. Yeah.

I mean, it is admirable. Like when you, when you get divorced, like you never want your kids to think ill of your partner, even if your partner did something really bad. Like, but the kids figured it out. No, it was, at the beginning it was admirable. Like, oh, wow, you're not going to keep them from him. That's like nice because he's their debt.

But it's like, wait, why are you forcing them into this environment where they're not wanted? The wind up was that like he barely sees the kids now. And like she ran into him on the street. And he was like, hey, like, I do also think the underlying thing that wasn't being spoken was, he sounded like he was also going through like a psychosis or something. Like, but I do. do think the reaction to the book was like a lot of people who went through similar things like middle-aged men wake up one day and I don't know if it is like a psychotic break or something but

they wake up one day and they just are different people yeah but she also had alluded to the fact that when he was in college like I don't know fucking around or whatever and he like one day just got serious about like college and life earning and life and like the fact that he could do such a reversal like that maybe should have been a warning to her that he's like capable of just like flipping you know like just being a different person um but that was really the only warning she had. But even I wouldn't think that.

I'd be like, oh, you were fucking around and then got serious. Like, right. So, uh, I don't know.

I don't know what. If it's just like men, like, not that I care about this guy. Like, I would, I'm curious how he sees it. Well,

obviously this is the ultimate revenge, right? Like you get to tell your story, which is like cathartic, but it's beloved. It's being turned into a movie. It's Oprah's wish list. Gwett,

Guedithra's playing you and like, you're the big loser. It's like six months on New York Times best seller. Yeah. And it's like, and you're the villain in the story. And like now everyone's going to get to watch your divorce unfold through her perspective. That's like a nightmare.

The thing is, I think he's genuinely mentally ill. Like, I don't think he cares. Just because, like, his behavior. Yeah. Is that of a person going through a mental illness? It is. It is. I would just like, I would want to understand how he even, like, narrates the story to himself.

He approved the modern love piece. Like, I do think he's actually, like, in psychosis for real. Maybe. Who would approve that? Like even if you, like, don't have anything to hide, who wants your, he's a private guy who works in finance? Like, who wants his shit out there? Yeah. Nobody does.

Yeah. The worst, most intimate parts of your marriage. Like, yeah. So it was a really good book. I highly recommend it. I'm glad I read it after a hundred years. Yeah, especially because like everyone's talking about it's going to be a movie on Netflix, starring Gwyneth Poucher.

She's going to get her bag. Speaking of movies. Bellburdon's going to get her bag back. Oh, yeah. Speaking of movies being turned, books being turned into movies on Netflix, I do think Netflix is probably, like, we don't give them enough hate. They're the worst. at turning books into movies.

So I watch remarkably bright creatures. And based on now I know the story, like I see how the book was like really sweet. Like it's a sweet story. The adaptation was horrible. Like seriously Sally Field should be ashamed. Like her story. Razzy, do you think?

Yes, it's Razzy material. Like her storied career on this actual lifetime movie. My birthday buddy. Yeah, your birthday buddy. Like, oh, and the- Marrottom's going to be so devastated. The guy, the main guy, is that guy, Lewis Pullman who dates.

Yeah, I didn't. High Gerber. Finally, I'm like, now I know who that is. He was really, Lessons and Chemistry. He was cute. But like, I could say, I now know what the book's about and Ben was being so like the girl who read the book,

you know, he was like, oh, they changed that. You could tell from his, um. Yeah, from his Instagram stories about it. From his Instagram stories. And he did tell me what he changed. And I will say the things that they decided to change were completely consequential and like, who cares. But Ben's like new here.

So he was like, I can't believe they changed. He wasn't that guy. And I was like, okay. But Netflix is really bad. They did look his girl alive, which like was really bad. I'll never admit that it was bad. But it was. It wasn't great.

But I'll never say it was bad. Prime is good. They do good TV shows. Hulu is great. Tell Me Lies. Like, Netflix is really bad. Their department like needs to be fired and like start over. Start from scratch. I hope they don't ruin strangers. I think Weneth will save it. But I don't know. Sally Field like. Did you say the Nicole Kidman one, straight, perfect strangers? Perfect couple. The worst fucking show ever. Like the best fucking show ever. Like the best book ever. Netflix sucks. Yeah. They need to do better. And they get good titles. Yeah. Perfect couple was like one of the best selling books a couple years ago. Yeah. We love that book. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? What number? Three. Oh, yeah, sorry. But the next three, like, sort of like, fade into each other. Don't worry.

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off your first order through the end of this week that's roback r hoback dot com thank you turdback you're welcome our next story Jacob allorty and kennel jenner are enjoying an affectionate dinner date after their hawaii vacation changed everything oh did it not for me i'm so one inspired. Sources say the Hawaii vacation changed everything for them in their relationship. You're not saying that. Oh, no, no, no. The sources are saying that they're not, nothing's actually, I wouldn't say.

A trip traveling with someone, you know, going to poop. They also are in Montecito having dinner. Yeah. So that's like another trip sort of, but I think she has a house there. It's hard for me to care. I don't know why. No, it's good. Think about Kylie.

Oh, right. It's good for Kylie and Timothy double dates. I think the four of them should go to the next game together. I feel like Jacob and Kendall, feel more compatible with like Kim and Lewis to me. Cause like it's such an obvious pairing, right? The most famous woman in the world. Didn't Lewis date Kendall or something?

Louis Hamilton? Yeah. The guy that's dating Kim, dated Kendall? There's like, like they were like spotted together once or something like in 2016. There's a couple of like weird overlaps like Travis writing about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And then I'm like Jessin Bieber they say like maybe dated a few of the sisters. Let's pretend that they didn't. I feel like it's such an obvious pairing right. Like Kim dating Lewis, Kendall dating Jacob, Lord. like they literally look like siblings. I just find it so uninspiring. I am excited for, that's also Kylie. Like, I'm so on board with Kylie and Timothy, but in the beginning I was like, ew, like, who is this little shrimp?

Like, it just didn't, but I like when people keep me on my toes. Like, I like being confused. And there's nothing confusing about this Kendall and Jane. No, but, like, if they get serious, like, that's, she doesn't get serious, like, a lot. Who? Kendall. Really? I feel she's had a lot of, like, long term.

But not serious because she'd be, like, married or have a baby. Right. So, I'm interested. interested in the seriousness that they seem to be at. They're together like every day. I'm still waiting for Jacob Allardy and Joey King to go back together. Are you? No.

No. No. I like this. I do. I'm ready for her. Like I feel like I need like, I'm ready for her to get serious. Yes. It is crazy that she's the only one in her family who like hasn't settled down.

Yeah. Never been engaged. Mm-hmm. We'll see. We'll see. Also, this leads to our next story. It blows nicely because the euphoria. So aren't you glad that I did the ad break first?

Yeah, that's why I said because like I was. Like, I wouldn't want to stop right now. I wouldn't want to stop right now because Jacob Lordy's also in the news because... Wait, so this is spoiler alert. This is a spoiler for euphoria. My favorite show to watch on Instagram. I actually haven't seen it in Reels yet, but... Me neither.

Maybe it's like, it's taking a couple of... Because I think it happened on Sunday. So like... It's taking a couple of... Usually I see it Monday morning, but I've heard about the fact... Maybe the bank holiday. That the euphoria creator... The euphoria character...

Who dies. Who dies. Spoiler alert. You know, everyone knows. Is Nate Jacobs. Who is Jacob Allorty's character. Who's husband. And based on what I'm... had seen was like he was in some financial

stress and I think he had maybe like taken money from a loan shark so I'm gonna guess like it was a loan shark that got him yeah so the loan sharks I guess in the last couple episodes they cut off his toe they cut off his fingers and then the loan sharks buried him alive in a coffin and then a rattlesnake got into the coffin

and bit him okay that's good actually that's a better way to die and then he like yeah being buried alive like seriously I'd rather die any other way Well, Cassie and I think Maddie were on their way to save him. And they would have gotten to him if he was just like laying there not having been bitten by a rattlesnake. Oh.

But I'd rather dive through a rattlesnake bite. How did the snake get in the coffin? Well, it's underground. So it's just like. But was it in the coffin? I don't know. I didn't see this part. I actually cannot think too hard about being buried alive.

Like it, sometimes I see those like AI stimulation videos where they're like, this is what happens when you get buried alive. Like I actually can't. I cannot think of a worse fate. Yeah. I've been watching a lot of AI, like, series is. Of course, me as well. Strawberries. Oh, where's the strawberries?

The strawberries who aren't Gina is, like, coming for her husband, the broccoli. Have you seen the one about the spoons, the four spoon siblings? No. Oh, my God. So there's two spoons that have babies. They have four babies. A diamond spoon, like a gold spoon, a ruby spoon. And then one regular silver spoon.

Okay. And the three gem spoons are so mean to their brother. And they grow up, like, bullying the regular spoon. And the regular spoon goes to his parents. Like, they're so mean to me. So the mom, like, tries to fix it. And then they are even worse to him. But then all the spoons go to university.

And they're, like, the three gem spoons are, like, so excited. We're going to run this town. But it's very much like 21 Jump Street. Actually, the losers are cool. Yep. And the cools are losers. So Silverpoon gets with this girl that gem spoons had their eye on. But then they start to, they say to the girl,

we'll start nasty rumors about you if you don't stop talking about Silver Spoon. Oh my God, okay, no. The ones that I saw, was like, did you see the one where they're all fruit? And like, the fruits give birth to an orange. And the orange is like, no, I'm an apple. No, I'm an apple. And they, like, transition him to an apple. Yeah.

Who is making these? And sometimes I find myself watching this when I'm like, I'm watching a video about spoons when, like, I have 20 emails to go answer. When I have, like, three kids. Yeah, no, it's insane. I like fall down. You have to watch an orangina one. She comes to the strawberry's husband who's a broccoli.

It's insane. I started to watch this one about a maid who showed up to this wealthy woman's house and she just had a sinister look on her face. It's funny how we've like not seen the same ones. Like none of these are familiar. So many. I love the AI, like fruit series. Yeah.

Or this like fat guy who like marries like this girl and she's like using him and he like starts getting to shape and it's really beautiful. But then it's like follow for part two. I'm like, okay. I'm going to go to my family now. my human family that's funny but there was a ruby spoon

he was so meat ruby's no he wasn't no he wasn't you could tell he felt bad like he was the moral compass are you ready for it with the final story Alex Earle says a recent run in with her ex left her in tears Claudia chose this story

yeah would you not have I didn't even see it until you chose it you know because they actually did some investments together during their time so they're both investors and sit marks so sometimes they have to go at Morg's events. I forget it was this weekend.

He needs to divest. Stip Marks is heard. Absolutely. It's like Asia too. But she made a TikTok like she was crying but she was like I saw Braxton weren't really good terms. I don't know why she was crying. Yeah, she didn't unget ready with me.

She said that she saw Braxton. They were taking pictures together and then someone was like, Alex got a solo shot. And so she pushed him out of the way. She said it was funny and fun and then it wasn't. And then she spent the whole night being like where is he like crying. This is not the first time she's running to him and then like made an emotional TikTok about it. And I feel like if you're doing that, like, twice, like, maybe you're still in love and you should just get back together.

Yeah. And he seems like so what moved on and adjusted. And like, I think that's a little psychopathic. Oh, you think like it's Bell Burden's husband. No, it's just like, obviously, like you guys broke up because Alex wanted to. Obviously. So why are you not more heartbroken? Sometimes you don't want to be with someone who doesn't want to be with you.

You know what I mean? It's kind of curative to be broken up with. I do think it's actually harder to be broken up and to be the breaker-upper than to be broken up with. I agree. You don't have to make the hard decision. It's out of your control. There's nothing you could have done. And you might not regret it.

And you get to be the victim. Everybody feels sorry for you as opposed to like if you break up with someone who's going to feel sorry for you. That was your choice. If you break up with someone like you run the risk of regretting it. Yeah, of course. You get broken up with. You don't regret anything.

You didn't do it. No, it's hard to make choices and big decisions. Absolutely. It's easier to have them like made for you. A hundred percent. And even though it's hard in the moment, like you do become better because of it. So I would rather be broken up with a hundred times. Yeah.

And everybody feels bad for you. I don't like love people feeling bad for me. No, but I'm not saying you want people to feel, but the world wants to be like the victim. Everyone would rather be the victim. That's true. Not us. No, never.

But maybe some of our... Not us. We're oppressors. We are oppressors, big time. But you know who we might feel bad for some of our submissions? Oh, no. So today's Deer Toasters is brought to you by Weight Watchers because they understand how important it is that we do Weight Watchers and they knew by

sponsoring the segment we couldn't punt it off till tomorrow. And we have some very exciting submission sponsored by Weat Watchers. So hey Jackson Claude, I've been at my current job for about six months, and I'm having an issue with my new boss. He's always offering me candy. Hear me out. He doesn't take no for an answer, and it's boarding on harassment. I'm trying to watch my weight, and besides that, it just feels annoying. When I politely say, no thank you, he persists, he insists to the point where it just makes me upset.

I've told him in a joking way that he's got to stop, but he still offers me junk food multiple times a day. I know it would be crazy to go to HR to complain, but I need advice and validation for my two faves. Do I just continue to complain to my sister, or should I find a new job? Am I wrong for being so bothered by this? pick me and I promise I'll follow your advice and send you an update. Find a new job. That's traumatic because he offers you candy. Just take it and throw it in the garbage. Is it so easy to find jobs?

Like we're just quitting them because you're, no, but also like some of, what if you just were honest being like, oh, hey, like, I'm struggling with my weight. Can you fuck off in like a mortgage jar? Just be like, oh, I'm not having candy right now. Like just, yeah, be honest. Just the difference so between men and women. Like, a man would never think like consistently offering food to a woman like is offensive. He's like, what do you mean?

I'm sharing. Whereas like, I see. Like, it's absolutely warfare and he needs to stop. Like you have a little sweet treat in the office. You should indulge every now and then just to be nice. But why don't you just be honest being like, show me your Weight Watchers app. But listen, I'm on the Core Plus program. Like, can you not?

Because that little snickers is more points than like a thing of ground turkey. Like Kim, there's people that are dying. And your boss is offering you too much candy? Do you see this bad? Unless he's a predator. Jackie, you should bring a big bat of ground turkey because ground turkey is zero points. Be like Tim or whatever. Same.

It's like, do you think they can eat that? Look at what I'm eating. No, or be like, Tim. This whole that is zero points. This little stickers is five points. Which one is going to be more filling? And then he'll be like, okay, get out. Sorry, I asked.

Yeah, why do you just torture him with, like, all your fun facts that you learned on the Weight Watchers app? And then maybe he'll leave you alone. That is annoying. Like, I feel like actually as a coworker, like, you don't bring me enough. Sweet treats. Yeah. Okay. I can work on it.

Yeah, just like a little note for you. I was, like, going to make a pargy loaf. Actually, I made one yesterday. It flew. You don't bring me any loaves. I know. I was making one this morning, but I didn't have enough time to bake it. Well, maybe tomorrow.

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That's Weightwashed.com slash toast for a special offer. And just to say thanks for the DTQ, you know? Yeah. Big thanks. That. That. I just want to say her final question. Do I just complain to my sister or should I find a new job?

Like that's insane. That's insane. Why would you find a new job? Also, you could ask each other to, like, move your desk. Like, there's a million things you can do before you quit your job. Because there's too much candy. Although that is my favorite time of year, like when I used to, like, intern at, like, media companies, like any corporate gig that I could get, like, during the holiday season,

Halloween. So many sweet treats. People would bring in, like, baked goods. That's like the best time of year. It's also the best time to have a corporate job. Like, if I ever have to go back to the corporate world, like, I will start my gig in October and by the new year I'm out. And you get so many days off.

Is we just, like, came out of, like, the, stretch of like boring year. Like we're in the home stretch now because it's like pargy spring going into pargy summer Pargy fall Halloween Christmas. Yeah, we're going to have a pargy fall. It's fine. We're going to have a pargy fall. That's what I've been saying.

But we also are going to have a pargy summer. Actually, it was last year. We also have a gargy pargy fall, remember? That was two falls ago. Oh. So we're due for a gargy pargy one. Yeah, because you know us. We only have good years every other year.

So this is our year. So was 2026 is a good year. So far so. No, but I mean like an R because we always go like. Was 20, I think 20, yeah, because 2025 was really like a year of growth. We had two maternity leaves. Like we weren't popping off. Yeah, it's true.

It's true. I think we're going to pop off this year. Now we're enjoying the fruits of our labor. I think we're going to pop off this year. I love that. All right. Our next year toaster, hey, Swirley's, please help. I'm pregnant with my second child and my husband and I cannot agree on a girl name.

We already have a daughter. We don't know the gender of this baby yet. And we have a boy named. But girl names, it's just a war zone. The issue is that I'm loving the name Cleo. Cleo! Obsessed. Can't shake it.

but the problem is that Cleo was the name of my husband's childhood dog. Not just any dog, but like the sole dog status. He thinks naming a baby after a dog is insane. I think it's adorable and meaningful. I also have a cousin literally named after my uncle's childhood dog and no one in the family thinks it's weird. So swirlies. Am I crazy? Is this a hard no?

Turning, would you ever consider naming a child after Theo? Great question. Please help me before this baby. We can help it because we have the situation. But the difference is. So I love the name Theo. Like I think when Theo was alive, I wished that I didn't use it because I would have named my child.

Lo and behold, Theo died and I was free to use it. Now I just feel like the name's a little too trendy, so I don't want to use it anymore. But would you say it wasn't? Would you name a child Theo down the line? Absolutely. First of all, second of all, but stop saying that you're naming it after the dog. Like if I had a child, his name would be Theo because his name is Theo, not named after.

I agree. Named me after a dog is weird. But you can give the dog, sorry, you can give the baby the dog's name, but it's not being named after the dog. It's not meaningful. The two things are not related. No, I think it's weird to name a human after a dog. No, that's insane.

You're fine to name the dog, Cleo. I actually really like that name. I don't know if you were looking for, like, approval. Like, he needs to grow up, you know. Yeah, you're still, like, crying over your childhood dog. Like, you're a father. Yeah. You're a father?

You're going to, like, forsake the right name for your daughter because, like, some dog that's, like... I would have also be giving you different advice. I felt the name was really ugly, but it happened to think Cleo's such a cool name. And I agree. Theo is, like, completely analogous to this situation. I would name a child, Theo, you would name a child, if we wanted to. The Theodore Fichemina, but all is not what's stopping us.

No, and sometimes when, like, people in our family are pregnant, the name Theo, like, always comes up because we all do a lot of, like, classic older names. And the dog is never the reason why we don't go with it. No, I think that just, like, if I named my son, Theo, any version, like, he would be, like, the fifth Theo in his class. Everyone's like, Teddy, Theodore, you know, I just feel like it's too common now. It's such a great name. I was so ahead of my time, don't you mind?

Yeah. Because, like, yeah. It's such a great name. It's such a great name. And there was actually a kid in my grade named Theodore, and like he was such a nice guy. So I think of him fondly. All right, next up, third and final. Hey, Swirlays.

I'm a 41-year-old divorced mother of two. My first marriage ended because of some pretty crazy domestic violence. I was single for about four years before meeting my now fiancé. He, too, was divorced with three kids. We got engaged last September. His ex-wife has always been drama. But recently, it's really kicked up the crazy, showing up drunk at our house when it's her time with the kids to tell him that she loves him and wants him back. She has said horrible stuff about my daughter.

my daughter and his son are actually in the same class of school, and it got back to us. She says nasty things about me throughout our community. She's just the worst. Anywho, my fiance always says that he doesn't really want to set some boundaries with her because he thinks it'll only make her crazier because conflict and cause conflict for the kids. But what about me and my kids and how she continues to affect us? Am I just being overdramatic and I need to let it go? Or do I need to put my foot down and demand some more, if you will, for my fiancee.

Thanks, from a swirly in need of some sound advice. What's so funny is that I feel like I chose a different one. I've never read this one before. I like it's a good one. I feel a little out of my depth. This feels like grown up. This is such a grown-up problem, but she said that, like, the mother-in-law, the ex-wife was talking shit about her own daughter, and she said it got back to the daughter. So here's what I'll say.

I agree with the husband a little bit that, like, you know, you don't want to set her off any more than, like, she's crazy. However, if this is negative, if your relationship is negatively impacting your children, you have to choose your children. Oh, wow, you think she should break up with her fiancee? I think she should threaten it because maybe then he'll do something. Maybe you need to move. serious. Like, I'm sorry, your children come first. It is, yeah, by the way, it is that serious, 100%, but his children also come first. So, like, he's, he's putting his children before yours because he's choosing to keep the peace with

the crazy ex-wife. They didn't show this in blended. Yeah, no. This is like, seriously, I do feel, like, I don't really know how to help you. But it sounds like you never put up boundaries. So, like, why don't you just try? Like. With her? Yeah, like. I think you need to get serious with him about handling the situation. It's tough. Like I never thought about living in the same community sending your kids

to the same school. Like yeah. That's really like incestuous. Yeah. What do you think? I think he's probably gay. Like this is what I say when I don't know what to say.

Um, by the way, I would try like sometimes I know, I know what why he says like if we get strict with her or whatever like yeah, he could make it worse and then take the kids like, you know, more time away from him. Like I get it. But like I feel like it's worth trying like putting up

some serious boundaries. Yeah. Because like crazy people who, get away with being crazy, like, it just makes them crazier. You're just really enabling her. Yeah. So I can't imagine that, like, putting up some serious boundaries, like, can make it worse than continuing to enable her.

Also, like, if he was once married to her, like... There's some love there. No, and it's, like, maybe she's not only crazy. Like, maybe she's also, like, a person. Maybe she's hurt. No, and, like, maybe there's, like, some, like... Maybe we need to, like, handle the situation, but, like, the situation needs to be handled because your kids can't be, like, suffering.

Yeah, and I guess, like, a crazy drunk woman, like, storming in terms. your house where your kids live? Like, yeah, at a certain point. It's not a good environment. It's at a certain point. You actually, you will have to do something. So you should start now so before it gets worse. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Nip it. Sorry. Jackie's right. Like, I guess that's like, that's no fun. I know it's no fun, but. And I think even just like saying that to him might force his hand to like actually take it seriously.

Yeah. And I don't think you would be unreasonable in saying like, this is not an environment I want to continue for my kids to live in. Like, I'll put up with it. I'm an adult. But like, my kids don't deserve this. Yeah. So maybe if he sees it through that lens.

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