The Toast - JUST&T Married: Monday, July 6th, 2026

Episode Date: July 6, 2026

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It's Jackson Claude and neighbor show the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off, Swirley. It's the Toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy Monday after July 4th, after Taylor Swift wedding, after a major double recoupling of Love Island USA. We are back with the two hosts, probably the only two people not invited to Taylor Swift's wedding. It's Jackson Claude. Hey, Jax. How you turn? I'm darn good. I don't feel any sort of way about it.

She actually was not very like inclusive of influence. You know what? She doesn't have a lot of influencer friends. I thought the same thing. No, Jake Shane. I saw Beckettilly was invited. As a plus one. I actually saw that this morning.

Yes, but she sort of represented. She did represent the influencer co-continiency. Yes, I didn't see a lot of podcasters, even though a lot of, you know, athletes do-do podcast. Jason and Travis are podcasts. Oh, of course, of course. But, no, I did feel like a big fat loser this weekend. That you weren't there? Yeah.

Did you really? I felt like a big fat loser. Oh, I so, I don't know if you're joking. No, I felt, I felt like a big fat loser. felt like a big emphasis on the fat loser. Oh, I just felt like it had nothing to do with me. No, I was very much like having FOMO. Were you? We don't even know what went on there. I know. So many people are like, of course, I'm so excited that everyone's so excited that we're back. Yes, we moved out to the Hamptons. We'll recap you guys and all of that. But like last you saw. And of course, we're in our studios. We're in a new studio. We're in a new studio. We're going to deep dive so hardcore into like the three pieces of information that we were given. But like there's nothing besides the guest list. And of course, like whatever.

one was wearing and there are a lot of major shocks and you know major snubs but like what else besides the guest list the car that was raffled off yeah for challenge the tent yeah and the little like musings we've gotten from people like the gma hosts like did their best to feed us spoke a little bit the president of amc theater is like wrote a sonnet about it and then deleted it yeah so of course our first story will be Taylor and Taylor so much happened this weekend we're all cut up on literally we're all caught up on Love Island. Unfortunately, we're all caught up on Love Island. And I just want to say, like, I'm ready for it to be done.

And I just want to say, and someone, like, play this for me in 11 months. Okay. I am not necessarily watching Love Island again, like, automatically watching. They have not earned the right. I'm not going to watch when it drops. If the season is picking up steam a week or two in, I will watch. But, like, this has been hot garbage. I agree.

After last season, I do feel like they earned my automatic. watching this season has not made me want to I think they really need to do an internal audit about how they can improve there's so much that needs to be done I think that the show is weirdly based on the UK version of the show but they've taken all the good elements out of it and like made it gross no and also like I don't like watching with the love island fan base with the voting public they're awful yes they're wrong with all their takes they reward the wrong people for the wrong things and I don't want to be a part of that cohort that voting block because then America votes and it's worse no and it's worse that's worse that's That's true. And I feel that it's an important time to remind everyone. Like, we didn't vote for Amaya and Brian. We didn't vote. And now this season, Anaya is Amaya. With her Casa boy who's going to go right to the top for no fucking reason.

Thankfully, I do believe Brinidad and Trice are. Brinity and Trice are pretty much guaranteed to win. So that like we can't have another Amaya, Papaya, Anaya and Carl thing. But like one thing about that, that's like we are not on the Anaya and Carl train. We're going to do, actually, we've made Love Island a story because there was two recouplings. Fifth and final going into TV Recapital. about Love Island because a lot of you have your brain cells left and aren't watching and we won't subject you to it. So before we dive into all the important things that happened, let's talk

about us. How are we? I'm having flu-like symptoms, but I'm okay. Yeah, I was sick this weekend. She passed a long to me, which is so great. Honestly, the last two weeks have been insane for me, like the amount that I had to do and like getting to the Hamptons was like the final destination. Getting to the top of the mountain. And to expect that I would go through it and not get sick is actually like crazy that everything would just be fine. I mean, I lost my voice. All right. Then I had this cough, and then I got, like, the sniffles and sick.

I don't even know what it is. I thought maybe allergies. But honestly, it's just been a lot, like, getting here. But we made it. But now that I'm here, like, this was always the finish line. And now it's swirly summer. It's swirly summer. We've decided not to build our own studio.

And now all we have to do is, like, sleigh. Yeah, sleigh all day. Which is a lot of work, triving and influenza for a day. We are in a party studio. We are. You know, we decided to outsource this year instead of building it in our house. We're actually vlogging today, just a day in the life of our first day, like, first aid school. Yeah.

First day jitters. So, like, we're sharing a little bit about, like, the toxic workplace that was festering when we build an at-home studio on these family vacations. Try being an influencer for a day. Try it. You couldn't. This isn't even an influencer, honestly. I know.

We work so hard. We really do. And I'm just so excited. Like, Taylor Swift is married. We're in the Hamptons. Swirley Summer's off to a great start. We had an amazing July 4th. This was definitely, I feel, for me, my best.

July 4th ever but I think like for a lot of people like 250th everyone was getting my drizzle delicious was a 250th birthday and don't you feel like it's the Barbie movie of 2026 my drizzalicious my minky couture blankets like everything was doing like a custom version I loved it I love it I hope they keep that flavor it's my favorite drizzalicious flavor and I just hope they keep this like energy well tonight I do think the energy like the very patriotic energy is going to continue because now I feel like I'm trying to keep up with the World Cup and it keeps passing me by like how does one I don't know. You can't really have a family, watch Love Island,

follow Taylor and Travis's wedding and watch the rollout. But I've been trying to, like, get involved, but it's like the games keep happening. Like, while I'm... The games keep coming and they don't stop coming. But tonight, now I feel excited because, like, I know what's happening tonight at 8 o'clock for anyone who once again,

Bob's America is playing against those nasty Germans. We have to watch... We have to watch... And could I tell you something about Love Island? It's ruining my life. I missed Friday's episode because, yeah, I went to a party on Friday, which I'll tell you guys about.

I missed Friday's episode, and this is probably the first, maybe second time this season that I haven't watched that night. Missing one episode is debilitating. First of all, I got the whole thing spoiled. I know exactly who left. And I just had this thing hanging over me for the next two days. I'm like, I got to catch up on the violence because I don't want to get too far behind. You cannot get left behind because like once you miss one episode, you might as well stop watching. It's over.

It's over. I watched two episodes last night. It was exhausting. Yeah. But yeah, I went to a party on Friday. And I saw Jesse Solomon. And I said to him, like, it was actually the first time. And for those who didn't hear through that, she saw Jesse Solomon.

And I went to a party. You just sort of like swallowed that. Oh, did I? A little bit. Well, I went to a party. I saw Jesse Salomon. I also saw Carl Anthony Towns and Jordan Woods, which was just like exciting for Ben and I. I also saw Bethany Frankl.

And I want to say something about the Bethany. I saw it from a distance. So like, and I was really hot. So like I was not walking all the way over there to say hi. But like she is who she is. You know, like I literally saw her. She was dance. Like literally sashaying her way over to the dance floor.

And like her classic Bethany moves like the shoulder. And it was like, it was refreshing to see someone. Like that's what she would do on TikTok. And that's exactly what she was doing at this party. When the cameras are down. A thousand percent. But on my way out, I saw Justice Solomon. And of course, he went over and gave his best friend Ben like a huge hug.

And he was so funny. He was like, I can't believe you're here. Like, I guess like people don't know. Like, I used to see a major party girl. I'm like, yeah, I was at a party. Like, stop me get a big deal, you guys. I was at a party. And we were talking.

I was just like waiting for the right moment to address like the Lexiwood-sized elephant in the room. And we were making, you know, TikToks. We're having such a good. I was telling him, wildfire love. His new song is so good. and then I was like he was like we need to like you know go to dinner like I love Ben like I just like and I was like

yes yes yes as and like you just need to apologize to Lexi Wood and you know what I feel as though he knew I was he was like waiting for me to say it and he was receptive and he was like really like why do you think that and I just laid it out for him that like you sort of forced her into a relationship and then like ganged up on her with all the other girls in the house and like we're bullying her and like we're bullying your girl and gaslighting her into like oh we're just sister friends and he really wanted me to believe that like it wasn't like that

but I'm like, I saw what I saw. Yeah. He's, like, we did sort of procrastinate. Like, we'll talk about this more in depth at a different time. Maybe on the podcast. Yeah, of course. A live debate. Bring back.

Live debates. Yes. Does Jesse Solomon, oh, Lexi Woods, an apology, colon, a great debate. So we didn't really get anywhere, but I said my piece and I felt better, like a little bit of the guilt. Is he out here filming? You know, of course he couldn't say. Really?

Was he with anyone from the house? They haven't started yet. Okay. So I know they usually start July 4th, but I believe. believe they start this coming week maybe because Sierra's out of town like for after sun and I think after sun is over you don't think there's one more no I don't know but I think it's over because I saw only there's seven more episodes of Love Island I'm counting I can't wait for next summer I'm counting the days yeah I can't wait for it to be over so I think that

they start this week which means Sierra like won't be that late and they have a new house because I don't know if you saw Alex Earles in the Hamptons for the summer and she is staying at the old house yeah Yeah, so everyone was like, because you know that orange and white checkered rug that Kyle DJs on? Yeah. They were making all their TikToks there. And everyone's like, are you at the summer house house? It's just a house that like some family owns that they rent out to Bravo every summer.

I do believe they are in the process of selling or have already sold it and someone's just renting it out for cash. And that's where Alex and her friend's Dossie, baby. Like they're all there. That's insane that that's where they're staying. It's insane. There are so many houses in the Hamptons. Like, why I got to be that one? Yeah.

So they're saying at a different house. Oh, but seeing an answer, I wanted to tell you the tea that I received. Oh, so before the show, you guys, Jackie goes, oh, I have tea. I was like, okay, what is it? She's like, I'll tell you on the show. So I got it a week ago. So it might be like, no, now. It might have been tea when I found out.

Okay. That it is believed that Sally, Alex's best friend, is dating. I don't know this. You don't know this. Fibula. Hallie Bichelder's brother. Okay, who cares? Apparently, Hallie Bichelder's brother is like an influencer.

I don't think so. That's what I heard. Okay, like worst tea ever. I literally don't care. And I was like, I don't care. I didn't care, but I thought maybe by passing it on to you. Like to someone who maybe would care. That someone would muster up a fuck, happy for my girl.

Yeah, sure. But she seems the type to be happy, like, in or out of her relationship. Sally. A while ago. And then I heard she was dating. Everyone's dating fibula, by the way. Who was that singer? Everyone's dating fibula, and fibula's going on Summerhouse.

Simple about cocaine. He's like a DJ with disco lines. I heard she was dating him. Yeah. Maybe she's just, you know, seeing people. It was also a Michael Rubin's white party. I believe Sally was there with Alex. Oh, yeah.

We'll talk about the party. So much to talk about, but back to us. Sally was at the party? I don't know. Alex was there like with her crew. Oh, interesting. I don't know if Sally was in town, yeah. Interesting.

Before we dive into talking about everyone, like anything else we want to say about us, I went to a party. I have flu-like symptoms. Yeah, I had those symptoms this weekend. We moved out here, flying with the three. And Bruno was a wild ride. Oh, yeah.

Bruno's here. Bruno's here, you guys. It's big boy summer for Bruno because he is. There's so many babies in the house. There's so many babies who are learning to start solids. Baby head weaning going on. So much food dropping on the floor. Bruno's eating for three.

He looks huge. He looks huge. His belly's like close to hitting the ground. But I just want to say like, it's not his fault. Bruno should be 500 pounds. Like the way he moves through this life. And I feel like I've kept him as small as possible for as long as possible. But at a certain point.

Are you just letting go? No, I'm not letting go. We are like caging him during meal time now. But also, I don't mind that Bruno like carves everything up, but it's like less shit we have to clean. I know. And then it's like, okay, who's going to clean up this floor? Not me. Who's going to clean sweep of the floor? I know, but I do fear the implications on his house.

I know, but you know, that Bruno, he's got like an iron constitution. Nine lives. So, yeah, he's having a great summer. We all are. And I know I have to protect him, but at a certain point, like, I have to let him be him. I agree. And enjoy his life. But it's definitely tough with the most.

multiples in the high chairs. The BL dubs. The BL dubs. Yeah. He's really like he's scoring three meals a day. Like it's wild. What else can we tell you guys? I just feel like let's dive in.

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But it's still really good. They're both good. Okay, our first story, Taylor and Travis Kelsey, got married this weekend at Madison Square Garden. Yeah. The rumors were true. She got married at Madison Square Garden, which now in hindsight, of course, like, it's such a good call. Yeah. Because it's actually crazy how big this wedding was.

Obviously, it's cultural impact, like from both the sports, music, dance, everything. The fact that like relatively nothing has been leaked is crazy. And I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that it was Madison Square Garden. Like I know it's like not romantic and it's weird, but I'm sure they made it insane. I heard there was a castle. Like there was, it felt like a secret garden. It was a great call. Yeah, lots of privacy. Even like the arrivals. Like there were a couple of times the wind blew the curtain open and we saw someone get out of the car. But like for the most part, nothing leaked. Like it's actually impressive. I can't remember a time where something has been kept like literally Kylie's pregnancy.

Like that was the biggest secret ever kept. Yeah, but even by the end, people start to know. I mean, I imagine that this week, like, things will trickle out. When will the embargo lift? Like, she has to share. She has to. The whole world is so invested in this and, like, why not share? Well, so I think for so long, like, she had this very toxic relationship, like, between

the public and her private life and she felt, like, so strong that, like, nothing should be shared. And I think a lot of that was that Mashugina, Fabisina, Phibisina, Joe Alwin. Now that she's married to, like, someone normal and, like, happy, I, I don't. I think that they do want to share. And I think there will be a role-out. I don't think there'll be like a vote exclusive. You know, she always owns her.

No, but you might like post like some videos. Everything will be like, you know, with her stamp on it. Yeah. And I think she'll show not like, and I think she'll skip over the press and go straight to the public. Like her fans, people love her, people love her relationship. Taylor's for come. They've had so much like love and support. Totally.

Throughout their courtship. Like I don't know why she wouldn't share some of that. And it's not like it was like so small and intimate. It's like this is we're being private. Like Carolyn and John of Kate. Like it's a thousand people. Why not a million? Yeah, it's true.

No, I do think we will get on her terms, on her platform. She will not be doing anything with like a media publication because one, there's not a media publication that's big enough to. Unless it's like Disney Plus. Which I could see there being. Now we'll talk about the guest list. We don't really know what went on inside. A couple of things are being said.

They said that she walked down the aisle to a instrumental version of love story. They gave out like a lot of stuff. I heard Cartier watches. I heard at the rehearsal dinner the night before, which was also at Madison Square Garden. they gave out these boxes and inside there were these like custom handkerchiefs I saw one is being sold on eBay which is like crazy

as far as like breaches of trust that's really the only thing I've seen anything else is like paparazzi hounding like random family members who don't know not to talk to the press I saw this woman like everyone's scared no but I saw this woman who was like so sweet and she didn't breach any trust

but she was like it was just so beautiful they know who to go for it they're not asking Gigi they're asking random Aunt Carol from Cleveland Everybody is like speaking out and they're not saying I can't say. Everybody's really saying the same thing. It was so beautiful. It was so big, but it felt so intimate.

The love was so lovely. They had 20 minute vows to each other. At the rehearsal dinner the night before, also at Madison Square Garden. Lena Dunna made a speech. Lena Dunna made a speech. She made a joke about football. I heard it was quite divisive. She said football is like reenacting gay porn.

Yeah. I think people laugh. That was what was reported that there was laughter. That's my queen right there. Travis and Taylor sang a rock song together. There was like karaoke at the after party. No, I heard. heard that at the rehearsal dinner.

Oh, rehearsal, you're right, you're right. They sang a song together. The performers who were the wedding were Paul McCartney and Stevie Nix. As reported. Right? As reported. Right? I don't think.

I think like as reported that day when it. No, no. We knew Stevie Nix and we didn't. Yeah, I think Ben and I talked about it when you were out. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah, because Ben and I were saying if we had all the money in the world and I died and Ben got remarried to like an heiress.

Oh, and who would you have performed? Yeah. So we were talking about it. Yeah. Right. Other things that I've heard just like rumblings is that like because there were so many people and a lot of them were famous, some of them were not. There were like staggered arrivals.

Like the less famous people were told to come at like 3 o'clock. It's like the Metcala. It's really like the Metcala. I hadn't seen that, but that makes sense. Oh, also it was like a major heat wave. It was 100 degrees. Correct. The mayor was asking everyone to set their thermocets at 78 degrees.

Meanwhile, Madison Square Garden is the Arctic. That's a little funny. Not to be like one of those people, but like that's a little weird. Well, so I believe they did a lot to offset any potential feedback. negative feedback, you know, because they did use a lot of city resources. They shut down a lot of streets, a huge police presence. It's just a little awkward. Yeah.

It's a little hunger games. It's only a little hunger games because we got a commie mayor. Right, right. And he's telling everyone 78 degrees and you know it wasn't 78 degrees in Madison Square Garden. No. They're going to break the grid. Yeah. But, yeah.

I do think they, you know, they did their $26 million donation to various charities throughout New York City. You know, cancer research, hunger, poverty. Food banks. Yeah. They did it in Cleveland. They were trying to offset. you know, the billionaire, um, the rich sort of narrative, which I think is a great move. Oh, 100%. You can't be mad at someone who donated to memorial slow catering.

Okay, for, I'll have a lot of $100 million weddings if that also means we get $26 million to charitable causes. Correct. And I think that like a lot of people were mad that like police resources were being used, but like, I don't know, shit happens at Madison's wearing all the time. Like that's the police's job. Yeah. I wasn't so mad about that. I wasn't. I mean, I'm not mad about anything. I'm just saying like the optics are just like a little inconvenience that I was a heat wave. She, you know, made big donations to, like, a lot of NYPD-adjacent organizations like that help, you know, fallen family. So she covered all her bases. She really did.

Yeah, nothing's going to bring her down. Let's talk about T&T, which is, like, kind of the byline that everyone was given. Like, I feel like people were allowed to post, like, their outfits and stuff, like a day later. Because everybody posted at the same time. And it was like, it's a love story. Everyone had the same caption. It was like T&T. Literally nobody wrote Taylor and Travis.

Everyone wrote T&T. And then the big billboards after the ceremony, which what in the word are? was that? What in the AT&T sponsorship? I thought it was a commercial. I thought AT&T owns that billboard and that they made this little thing. No, TNT was like their thing. I understand.

The new hashtag. And I just want to say like, I don't think it's good. Like, what was the font? What was the color? Yeah, it was very word art. It was shocking. It was shocking. And it was pink, so I really thought it was like T-Mobile.

They could have had like a beautiful, like, script font, something that looks like a wedding imitation. And that actually was like a little hunger games, like letting the public know. that we've been married. I loved it, but I could see how, like, a true, like, commie would hate it. But I loved it. I just thought the fun.

It's fun that they're, like, letting everyone know, even though they're not giving us anything, but, like, what was that image? No, and I think the slogan itself was bad, too. Like, just to add married. Just T&T married. Yeah, I didn't like T&T, like being the thing. No, I'm by with T&T and T. Just T, like, I didn't like that.

Just T and T, married. Oh, Adam Sandler. Officiated. Officiated. People are having a field day. Like, I'm on, like, the truly mentally ill. of Twitter. So people are like, she had a Zionist. Like, yeah, she did. I kind of love that. Yeah, she did. Yeah, she did. That's my right there. I think that she probably, like, when you think of who could have officiated, I never would have

guessed Adam Sandler, but it's a perfect choice. No, I can't even say it's a perfect choice. Like, never would have guessed it. It's honestly a strange choice. There must be, there must be more to their three's relationship. No, I think that individually, they both have really good relationships with him. like he and Taylor have been like long time friends like the girls I think um his daughters when they were young like loved Taylor and she's always like you know invited them to shows I think that's insane I like I think it so great I like I like I like I just want to say I like it so much I have like it's like Chris Jenner does weddings mostly gay but I think that that's like crazy but I also think it's a little crazy when people have like their friends officiate weddings in general not like just

singling out Taylor and Travis like I just don't think they have a spiritual leader like in their life I think they should I think that's like an important thing to at least perfect to have like some sort of just like like non-personality figure in your life that's like I don't know but I'm not saying it's them and Adam Sandler is my issue I think in general like even when Carl married Kyle and Amanda I'm like right that's not like sweet to me no people do it I actually I don't it's not my favorite when we were talking about the wedding for like months never once said I think who's going to officiate it I don't know why like she's in him she yeah I don't know like I never when you're talking about colors it'll like I never thought of who's going to officiate it and you know when I found out it was Adam Sandler I

actually thought it was perfect. Like, I think that they both have individual, like, friendships and relationships with him. I think they've actually all gotten even more close since that, like, Taylor and Travis got together. And I think it's perfect. And he is this sort of like, I know everyone's like hates him because he's Jewish, but like, he is this sort of like beloved, non-controversial figure. Yeah.

I like it. I don't, I dislike the concept. But as far as, like, choosing someone within the concept is he's a good choice. You have to be careful because Taylor has done like so many things with people who she doesn't talk to anymore. And we'll talk about the guests. We'll talk about, you know, the people who are missing. But I think that, like, I can't see a world in which you ever really, like, have beef with Adam Sandler.

So it's sort of a safe choice in the sense that, like, it's not going to be like we look back on these pictures 10 years from now. And it's like, oh, it's great. But Adam Sandler, we're not friends with him anymore. I think he's very unoffensive. No, it should have been like Jay Shetty. He married Ben and Jaylor. He doesn't have a great track record in terms of, like, divorces. Like a serious individual.

Yeah. That's just what I'm looking for. But not to make it about, like, me and my preferences. I'm just saying like that's the vibe I like. Let's talk about the guest list. Let's, I mean, so it was everyone in Hollywood except for Blake Lively. Blake Lively, Kelly Teller, the Kardashians, Justin Bieber. Yeah, like the Kardashian Circle, which includes the Bieber's, we knew.

The other front. Yeah, it's literally, it's true. Like there's two major parties, like Republican and Democrats in Hollywood. It's the Taylor Adjacent's and the Kardashian Adjacent's. The whole Scooter Braun. But that's what's crazy is that Carly Clause is like very much a part of that party, like, connections-wise. like she is more connected to the Kardashians. When I saw her leaving her house in a gown, I actually choked.

Then it was rumored that like she got dressed up and left so people would think that she was at the wedding, but she actually wasn't. Her makeup artist then, you know, started posting like T&T, TNT to like let everyone know she was in fact there. When I tell you, I was shook. I think that's so nice that she was there. I think weddings, even if you've like fallen out of touch with people and the the prevailing narrative is that like Taylor felt like Carly

was like telling stuff about her and her business to Scooter. Yeah. The only real proof is like Ashley Avignon, who's Taylor's like best friend, this like stylist girlie who's like always with Taylor. When the breakup between Carly Clause was like people were suspicious of stuff, she was liking tweets that implied that Carly was sharing stuff about Taylor's personal and professional life with Scooter Braun. Okay.

So that's like new news to me. And if that's the case, then like, of course, cut out done. When the words are the sister come back and whispers that proof she was not. There's a lot. But for me, like Taylor and Carly, it's gay lore. No, it's really not. Okay. So you don't believe Gaylor?

I don't believe Gaylor. I don't believe Gaylor. I don't believe Gaylor. No, I don't. Okay. Because if it's Gaylor, then I think it's really nice that she was invited because it's like this person that, like, you love. And I do think for your wedding, it's like, okay, even if we're not as close as we once were, like, come and celebrate me. Like, unless you have betrayed me.

Correct. Like, yeah, even though we're not close. We've fallen off a little bit. She was in the stance for reputation, though. I know. That's where it's like their relationship has never really revitalized since that whole era where they were best friends on the cover of Oak. Then they went silent.

Do you understand how insane? I don't even realize the degree of their friendship, like until. And it's actually so odd. Yeah, agreed. It's so odd. And it's the same with Blake Lively. Blake Lively was there every minute and every game while she was with Travis. Like it's such a core part of her relationship.

The fact that she wasn't invited. like obviously murdered someone. I know. Something so big happened. Especially because Carly was there. Something so big happened because how the godmother of your children are not invited to the wedding? I was holding out hope. Like I know everyone and I was wrong because I really thought that like maybe the Baldoni thing made it a little weird and there was like a bump in.

And I did my dragon. But I didn't think that it was as bad. And she likes her friends canceled. Good thing she likes her friends canceled. Right. That made people think that like her and Taylor were. still strong, her and Blake. And, like, all of this was just press.

And I really did think that, like, I was getting blown up in the press and maybe they were taking some time apart. But not being at the wedding, like, is final. Because even people, like Carly Claus, who maybe she's had iffy, whatever, bumps in the road, I couldn't believe that she wasn't there. And even people, like, a random person off the street was invited. Yeah, so I do also want to talk about, like, the randomness of a lot of it. I'm sorry, like, you can't tell me her and Jessica Alba are friends.

You cannot tell me her in J-Lo are friends. You cannot tell me her and Millie Bobby Brown or friends. you cannot tell me that her and Jessica Chastain are friends. There are people who went to the Eres tour like in the VIP tents who were at the wedding. Like the VIP tent was like very loose, you know? It's like you were a celebrity of a certain level. Like you got invited to the tent. Yeah.

And it just feels like. And who's Bedea Boby and Jake Erland, who are these people? Well, so a lot of, let me say, a lot of sports people. He doesn't look like an athlete. Oh, let me see. Okay. So I know. We can pin all the athletes.

Oh, no. Like who is that? No, I don't know. I can't believe Beckett was there. That Bada Bowie was there and Blake Lively wasn't invited. The godmother of her. the children in the songs, Yennazetti.

It's insane. No, it's insane. I'm sorry. Her and Mary Morris are not friends. At this rate, they need to arrest Blake lively because she's obviously killed someone. It's true.

Like, it was such a loose guest list. For her best, best, best, best. She said every sweet, every box with Taylor when she was with Travis. So it's not just like, oh, you're my friend from back then in my 20s when I was single and you're not getting an invite. You were a core part of the courtship.

Also, I don't want to complain because these are my two queens, but like why the hell was Miranda Lambert there? Like I loved that little country cohort, little big town, which I understand. Like they have, you can like forgive them. You can over. Yeah, I'm over that.

Kelsey Ballerini, Mary Mars. I thought both of them like were not friends. No, Kelsey is. No. Kelsey in an interview like somewhat recently was asked because she like hosted SNL with Travis. She's like, you know,

Taylor and I were really close for a really long time. It was like kind of a shady interview. And I was like, oh, she would never be shady to talk. I'm saying she said that. Well then she said it was a slip. She would never. Brad Paisley.

Like a big country cohort and they all went together in a sprinter van. Like that was really cute. I love that. I'm scrolling through this article. Oh, Brad Pitt. Like question mark. Yeah. But was Enes De Ramon there?

I don't think she was. He left with Beck. Yeah, he's in a car with like a bunch of randos. Bradley Cooper, of course. Oh, Camilla Cabo. That wasn't like a nice confirmation that they're still friends because they were thick as thieves. They were.

But that's like, you know, my friend from my 20s that we're not so close with, but like I love her and come to celebrate our love. Who I'm about to say it's the perfect example of like the looseness, the chain smokers. Oh, no. Travis loves them. Oh, Travis. You have to remember that Travis got to invite people too.

I forgot he was there. The chicks, the chicks, you know? Yeah, yeah. I don't know these people. Oh, a lot of her dancers, bandmates, people who have worked with them for her, of course. Chris Stapleton. I didn't know he was there. Okay, Cindy Crawford and Kyriegherber.

Cindy Crawford. I know. Cindy Crawford. Conan? Maybe that's a Travis one. I can't, no, but she goes on a show. Like, that's a work invite. Dakota Johnson.

I don't know if I knew that her and Taylor were friends. question mark um it's not confirmed whether biontie and jasy were there but like they landed in new york that day or the day before jasy was at the white party right which was two days before of course ed sheeran was there elizabeth banks question mark it's the hunger game so of course she had to be of course of course ellie golding but she didn't perform emma stone we know eric stone street which i thought was really random but he's like a core part of kansas city culture so i actually think that's more of a travis thing ethan hawk question mark okay wait sorry fergy That's your favorite one.

Because that is truly like the essence of the randomness. Yeah. Devantis. But no Blake lively. But no Blake lively. And Kelly Teller. Oh, but, but, oh. She's out on her ear.

Oh, Kelly Teller. Yeah, that was glaring. It's so crazy that she was her day for the Golden Globes and doesn't get an invite to the thousand person wedding. Which was one year later. What did you do? What did you do? Lots of, you know, wags. We know George Kittle and Claire.

Of course. The use checks. Matthew Stafford. Matthew Stafford. Lots of NFL. peace Andy Reed, of course. Ronkin Camille. Patrick and Brittany.

Mike Vrable and his wife. Mike Vrable went. Not with Diana, with his wife. Aaron Andrews. And then all the hosts of GMA. And then the next morning they went on and talked about how, you know, was such an intimate. But like, why all the hosts of GMA got to be there?

Why George? George. You know what time I got a manicure next to George? I don't know. Oh, Gracie Abrams. Oh, Gracie Hunt. She owns the Cheeps. Her family.

I don't know. I think it's her dad. She personally. Not to be like. Tawberman. Tawr. Gracie McGraw, Tim's daughter. Okay, but no Blake Lively.

I don't recognize a lot of these people, so I am skipping through them. But none for Blake Lively. Heidi Gardner of S&L fake. Yeah, also like Marcello. A lot of S&Ls were there. Ice Spice, as expected. Hugh Grant, random. Jack Antonoff without Margaret Qualey.

Yeah, people are saying. It's without Harry. People are saying there's beef between Margaret and Taylor. That's weird. Yeah, but she can't lose Jack, so she'll make it work. Jan Rovnik, of Dancing with the Star. Harry Styles had a show. That's why he wasn't there.

Jason Sadekis. I guess it's good Harry Styles wasn't there. Jason Sadekis, like, fine. Weird. Affable celebrity. Jailo. I just want to say. Happy for her.

Jail is my new queen. Ever since I saw Office Romance and that's movie ever. And I love this. I need a collab. Collab when, as the kids say. Oh, Jenny Hahn. She's the author to all the boys I love before. Taylor worked with her on the music for the show.

I mean, she wrote the books. Taylor worked with Amazon. She's a co-worker. And it's like not Taylor, like, like, Tree. She's a co-worker. Yeah. That's a co-worker. A big group of the dancers from the Ares Tour.

We know them from the documentary. Jessica Alba. Jessica Chastain. Jamie Oliver. Who's that? That's like a chef, right? I think so. She's a foodie.

Oh, Joey King, which we know that they're friends. Oh, the Lautner's weren't there. But people are speculating because she's pregnant and maybe not traveling. She's not there yet. She announced like two months ago. You never know. They were definitely invited, right? They would have been there.

Yes. They were definitely. Oh, Joseph Khan. You know, he used to do all for music videos before she did them for herself. And she's like, he's always on Twitter. like defending her about random stuff. Oh, Julian Edelman was there? Athletes.

Oh, Gronkin Camille. This list is so long. If there's not like one shit off from this wedding, like if Sabrina Carpenter didn't find a goddamn boyfriend. There was like no pictures of Sabrina. She was there. Yeah. But there was no pictures.

There was a picture of her like in a car like with a veil. But I'm sorry. Like Breiner. And I just want to say, Carly Claus looked insane. Like that's what you dressed here. Texas. And she also wore gold,

which like people do speculate that the Gay lores. I'm not speaking as one of them. When they decode lyrics, a lot of it is like golden. Oh, really? Yeah. I'm not... Because Taylor uses a lot of colors.

When she's talking about blue, she's talking about Joe Allway because he was like always depressed. But also Harry Styles and the blue dress on the boat. No, no. I'm talking about, like, that's very literal blue. When she's talking about like, you know, in peace she says, you know, your blue days or whatever. Like, when she's using colors, like, he's blue.

Gold is speculative to be curly. But gold is also Joe for the good times. Daylight. Oh, Kaelin Sanders, who's the dancer's brother who plays on the Chiefs. Yeah. A little big town. Oh, King Princess and Suki Waterhouse without Robert Pattinson. And Suki had to see Bradley.

Suki had to see Bradley. Ugh, I'm sick for her, and she didn't have Rob with her because he's doing press for the Odyssey. Important. Important work. Laura Dern. Lena Dunham. Liam Hemsworth and Gabriella Brooks, his fiancé, who used to date Maddie Healey. Even though I'm Team Miley, but fine.

I'm Team Miley too. Marin Morris. Oh, Mirchka Hargate. Well, of course, they're best friends, but I didn't see any pictures of her. And the cat. Yeah, but I didn't see any pictures of her until this People Magazine article, which is doing a fabulous job. People Magazine wrote up every single person who was there whether you know them or not. Aaron Andrews, of course. So many athletes.

Oh, machine gun. That's interesting. Yeah. Michael Strahan, Millie Bobby Brown. Miranda, my queen. So random. Oh, Pat McAfee. Nisi Nash.

Nikki Glazer Happy for her After all her trying And I feel like She officially redeemed herself During the Eros tour During that like awkward You know

Miss Americana Oh Pat Monaghan The lead singer of Train That's really cute Patrick and Brittany Mahomes Pete Wentz A Fallout Boy Fabe Peyton Manning

Oh yeah All the Greats When it comes to sports Phoebe Dinever So random Yeah with Cameron Fuller Yes Reese Witherspoon

Of course That's really crazy She did crowd dads Right And Taylor did the song Rob Riggle He's like sports He's like Adam Sandler

Yeah Ronan Farrow Let's find the connection It's there He's artsy Like he's You know They definitely have a

You know Archie Sasha Baron Cohen Oh happy for him Me too Selina Gomez and Betty Blanco Seth Myers Simone Biles

Sombar of course Stephen Colbert Steven Spielberg and his whole family The Hunts Tate McCrae question mark She's very much like on the Bieber Kardashian side of Hollywood So it's really interesting that she was there Yeah it is

I feel like she goes to like random stuff She sort of acts like an influencer She sort of acts like talent for hire She sort of acts like not as like premium as she is Tom Brady Tom Hanks Paul McCartney Tom Hanks from Toy Story Tommy Hillfigure

This is so crazy Uzo Oduba Oh they're like OG friends Oh, Vanessa and Natalia Bryant, that's really cute. Wayne Gretzky and Zoe Kravitz. I finally got to the bottom of the list. That's insane. And no Blake Lively.

None for Blake Lively. But what's funny is that Taylor, when she went on Graham Norton or one of those shows, she literally told us, she was like, it's going to be a free-for-all, you're all invited. Yeah, because she said her logic was like, I don't want to have a stressful wedding. I think a lot of the stress comes from, like, editing a guest list, and so everyone that I want to invite is invited. And everyone is, like, echoing the same sentiments. Like, it was so insanely beautiful. They're so in love.

And that it was so intimate. And you really felt like so close to everything, even though it was so big and there were so many people there. I need more. Like, thanks for what we got. That's great. I need more. I need pictures. Somebody took one picture.

Daily Mail hasn't. I can't believe they're married. Yeah, I know. It's like Taylor Swift, like the eternal romantic is married. Like, it's over. Yeah. And Eltha Josie, she has a million boyfriends. Well, now she hasn't.

She's a husband. Yeah. It's really crazy. It's a huge win. And not to be like so toxic. Like, hopefully she got parking. on her wedding night because like the way I need like a nursery rhyme album like something just lullabies like something yeah I understand I agree well that's just T&T has any pictures of Andrea well she was in there

probably and like did Taylor sleep in there no you know her car like the thing is like she got a new car I don't know if you know about her car I saw the car leave her garage she's a new car it's like of course she has like these big suburbans or whatever but she got a new one because Travis is so tall with like the ceiling lifted so whenever she leaves like people know it's her they were probably in the they were probably not in that car honestly it's like too much of a hazard that everybody knows your car maybe it's like a decoy and they're just in like a suburban yeah but they would have like they had their rehearsal dinner at ms she also yeah it would have been convenient to just sleep there yeah when her car was spotted like coming and leaving coming and leaving allegedly but you're

saying that they shouldn't have been in there they shouldn't it's like too dangerous so maybe they're still at the garden maybe they live there now no but like all the staff like there really there was one photo leaked and i think when you entered there was like this um pink tunnel like made of drapery with all these like gilded photos of gilded frames with photos of of them and people are obviously dissecting like every single one because there seems to be a picture of Taylor Travis and a white dog and that white dog was once spotted on Taylor's like tarmac people are like who's dog is this people think maybe they have a dog which would be crazy from the cat lady but she could have both course normalized having both 100% yeah I think

everybody is so scared to post of course say anything so that's why we don't have a week I need to know who's selling the handkerchief on eBay like that's fucking crazy it could be a fake one It could be like, I saw pictures of it, so if I'm a seamstress, why not so one? It says, so it's going to be forever. Now, I've seen, like, a lot of rhetoric online, and I told you I'm on, like, the truly mentally ill side of TikTok. So people are, like, kind of freaking and, like, really commentating negatively on the fact that, like, so much of her music is, like, self-referenced.

Is, like, woven into the fabric. Like, she walked down the aisle to her song. The handkerchief has her lyric. But, like, that lyric is Travis's lyric, you know? That's his favorite song. Yeah. What do you think of, like, her referencing herself? I mean, she does it the best of what she should use in number two lyric because it's not

hers and it's also like those are if she had written poems and like she was never a big singer or anything but she wanted to like this is her feeling so it's like this is how she's always felt I actually think it's so beautiful and anybody should use it it's her and now like her singing love story at T.E.U like and it's like I think if Travis married anyone like he would love for his bride to walk down the aisle to like orchestral love story. He loves love story so it's like no he shouldn't because it's hers yeah and then it's like well then she has to choose another artist and the politics of it all No, but it's like why not the best? If anybody should be using it, it's her.

Yeah. She wrote those songs for herself. I had no problem with it. She wrote them for herself. It's her story. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, well, that's just T&T until further notice and until we get more information.

I need more information. Like, not to be ungrateful. Like, I'm so happy for you take your time. No, I'm ungrateful. I'm happy to be ungrateful because we didn't get anything. Yeah. Where do you think they're honeymooning? I heard the Bahamas.

Oh, they do like that. Right. Yeah. I mean, their whole life is a honeymoon. I don't really think. I've been on a honeymoon for three years. I don't know if they need to jet off. I don't think it's like that.

But I think they will. Taylor, you have to remember, like, this is our corny, chuggy queen. Like, she's going to Sandals Resort. Like, she is. Our next story, the other party of the weekend, Michael Rubin's White Party Party took place a couple days before July 4th so that guests didn't have to choose between his party and Taylor. So sweating, which, you know.

There's not really a choice to have been. Actually, there would have been people at his party, but it was just the people who were related. There wasn't that much crossover, by the way. He did say, he did confirm that. Like, I think he did an interview with something. With people, he said he didn't want people to have to choose between his and the wedding. And, like, just admit that, like, you didn't want to lose people because no one was going to choose your party. I have such a hot take.

I feel like there was, like, a couple of years where, like, the white party was, like, the level of Taylor's wedding. Like, the anticipation, who was there? There was two years. They had two good years. I feel like, seriously, it was actually a bad look to be there. Not to be, like, a jealous wench because, like, I was sitting at home with my flu-like symptoms. But, I don't know. It looked like really losery.

It did not look cool. And I don't know why, because it was the same as always. I know. It's the same people. It's always like a lot of athletes. And it was the same, you know, caliber of party in terms of production and performances and celebrities. Yeah, I wasn't moved by it. It's just been done now.

Like, show me something new. Yeah. And now we know who Michael Rubman is. I feel like in the first few years, it was like, who's this guy? Like, why is everyone at his house? There was a lot of mystery, a lot of incheek. Now it's just like a bunch of people hanging out. I don't know.

No, and it's like the groupings of people were so shocking, you know, last time we saw it. But like now we've seen it. We've seen all this. So like give us something new. Yeah. Like the most, for me, the most interesting attendant was like Alex Earl.

Apparently she was with Tom Brady again. Yeah. Yeah. No, I've seen these pictures before. It could be any year. Yeah. So I didn't see a bunch of news except that like Tom Brady and Ice Spice seem to be making

it out, but then they clarified that they were sharing a vape. Alicia Keys performed. Oh, Jake Paul and Utilierdom were there, which is exciting for us. That is like the one new thing. I feel like I saw. Oh, I feel like he was there every year.

Like, seriously, I'm so unmoved by this. But maybe it's like my bar has been raised with Taylor's Wedding. Like, there was just nothing besides Taylor's wedding that was going to get me. But even before Taylor's wedding, like we saw these pictures. I feel like I saw them last year and the year before. There's nothing new here. Yeah, it just, I don't know. I don't really like care.

Yeah. I agree. I didn't see a lot of, like, news being made. No, me neither. Or any shit-offs. No. Kim wasn't there. Usually she goes. None of the Kardashians were.

Yeah. So if Kylie and Timothy were there, like maybe I could muster up a fuck. But no. Where were Kylie and Timothy this weekend? Where do you think they spent the fourth? I feel like they were in Palm Springs. Like Chloe had her color run, but I didn't see Kylie there. I wonder where she was. She's gone dark a little bit.

Yeah. It was a lot of public during the Knicks. Yeah, no, it was a lot. Maybe they're just like relaxing. She loves Turks and Kikos. Maybe we'll get like a Knicks baby from them. You know, it's like an exciting time. I love that.

Our next story. Switching gears. Actually, I'll do this next. It's a two first. Some new couple news. Some rumored couple news because sources are saying Lindsay Hubbard was spotted with Matt James. As a source claims that they got flirty at a PR event. Yeah, I saw this.

And I definitely, it piqued my interest. I don't like it. I like it. Okay. I think that Why? Because I like it. Right. I like this for Lindsay in terms of like I like her getting back out there. I like her dating celebrities.

I think it's always good to like, you know, as a, she's a female celebrity. Like this is what you do. And I like that she's like dating out of her show. Like, yeah. I don't know. I get like a spooky vibe for Matt James. I feel like he's not a good boyfriend. Really?

Yeah. I mean, of course we have to talk about the Rachel Criconnell of it all. Like that was really weird what he did. Now I think like her going on call her daddy and like you know telling everyone what color his underwear was like that was more of a knock on her in my book and I don't think she said anything like that crazy about him other than the fact that like he was like kind of like nuts about going to restaurants and taking pictures. Yeah.

And that like she always chose the restaurant and it was so much anxiety for her. Like I feel like it was comfortable to you. And I think that like a lot of what she said about him was like more of a reflection on herself. Yes. Then him. So like I don't think that she had. And the insecurities that she had in relation.

Because he was always like pick whatever. I'm fine with whatever. But she felt a lot of pressure to like deliver. for him. Yeah, that was crazy. But it all, like, it's so much deeper than that. I don't know. I can't talk about it at a surface level.

Yeah, no. Well, you want to do a Patreon deep time. I would love to, except, like, I feel like when that episode came out, like, I really shared all of my thoughts. Your thoughts. You were very honest. So if you want to know, like, what I thought about it. No, my episode is actually iconically titled Richel Kerkale.

Richel Kerkale. And my thoughts have not changed. Same. Same. Same. She had a very hard time in the relationship. And I think it's a lot of other people's fault, including that. Yes.

And her as well. Yeah, but like I just felt like the world just like totally just fucking stomped on her. On him? On her. What I mean? When she got canceled. Oh, I forgot about that. And that energy just never left their relationship.

Yeah. And she never felt like on equal. She never felt like she was good enough. She was always punishing herself. And she always just wanted to prove her. And like she could have never come back from that. Yeah. The relationship was cursed.

And he threw her under the bus and broke up with her when she was like totally out there on her own. So also to say. Like he doesn't give amazing boyfriend vibes But all of those No but like it's so hard to judge Him as a boyfriend in that situation When they were doomed to fail Mm-hmm

All right And I actually think like everything that he's done Since for Chale Kerkale He's been relatively quiet He's like love Shabbat He does He goes to a lot of Shabb dinners Wholesome family man

Like I actually And she also has a daughter So like this isn't just dating like regular And so she is I'm trying to see how old he is 34 so he's not a little more like 38 or 9 but he's not a little boy no no no no so you're dating a woman first of all lindsay hubbard is a whole lot of woman let alone a woman with a daughter yeah it's not just like your regular role dating i do think this was probably like a fling or just a photo because there's just literally

a photo of them at a bar there's people said that they were flirting they were with a group she's definitely flirty people from summerhouse love hanging out in groups yeah i i i hope that there's some truth to it that they're at least exploring yeah i don't know i need linds he level up a little bit. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe like a single dad, you know? I think like she's, but that's so complicated too.

So, blended. Or maybe a widow. I think that she is like, should be the star. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, I don't think Matt James is down for that. Like, I think he is a star himself. I guess.

But it's also hard for her to go for like a normal guy because like they don't maybe want all of that. like, you know, TV. Like, that's what Turner was. Yes, right. And that turned him off. Yeah. And then the second part of the relationship news is the hat Karamo Brown from Queer Eye.

Oh, my God. And Jesse Smolet. This should have been our first story. And Jesse Smolet are dating. I have two things to say. One, match made in heaven. Like, they just give the same sort of con man energy. And I actually love it.

But don't you think opposites attract? Can there be two con men in a relationship? It is also important to have, like, they're going to be competitive with one another. Mutual. mutual interests. There's a fine line of like... I'm obsessed with this.

And I just want to say like Karamo has done so much press recently in his book talking about the toxicity of the queer guy. He made like a lot of accusations like thinly veiled, you know, like. And I just think any goodwill he once had like is completely undone by this. Like I will never believe another thing. He says he's actually dating like choosing to date a legitimate crazy person, a known pathological liar. Like this is insane.

I'm obsessed. I wish them nothing but the best. Like genuinely, nothing but the best. I wish them nothing but the worst. A long, long life. And you want to know why, like, it's almost better that they get together and, like, not involve other people. Neutralize each other.

One thousand percent. Not involve other innocent parties. It's really beautiful to see. I've been watching so much of violent. I keep saying, like, genuinely. They're all genuine. Anaya is always like, I fuck with you genuinely. Like, I hate the word genuinely.

Nobody uses it genuinely anymore. And I've been saying a lot. I hate the words sincere. The words sincere. So anyways They were spotted paparazzied And people are like Oh they're dating

And then I think he was on a podcast Or some sort of like interview Where he was asked about it He was very upfront Yes I've met my person This is the love of my life He said he's 100% sure that he's the one I could get emotional

I've met my equal I could get emotional too Like it's powerful When you meet someone Who you feel 100% safe with You feel 100% secure with You can just trust with your heart A known pathological liar

Because you know they are just a great human being and they get everything. It's special. It's pretty amazing. We're not taking it slow. We are deep in love. But that's the reason why we are not public yet because we don't want comments. We're protecting the level we have because I do believe this is going to be my husband. I believe this is going to be my forever person. I feel it every single day. So Jussie has recently like returned. I don't know if you saw he had this sort of like trailblazing performance at Pride, Denver or something. He was on special forces. Oh right, right, right. The performance was insane. Like I highly. He sunk?

Oh yeah, he's a singer. I highly recommend taking a look. It's one of the most amazing performances I've ever seen. It's a star. Claudia, just know you can trust him with your heart. That's what everyone says about Jesse, right? The most trustworthy guy. Yeah, that's kind of like the leading thing people say about it.

Credibility 100. I'm obsessed with this. Like, I actually couldn't have dreamed up a better story to discuss here on the toast. Yeah. Love. I love, love. You love, love. I do.

Well, there's a lid for every pot. 1,000%. Even crazy people deserve love. Even crazy pots. Crazy lime pots. Even funky unique pots. Funky unique. That's kind.

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Of course. Our next story, Ashley Tisdale's making the toxic moms TV show after igniting a debate with their celebrity mom group drama. So Ashley Tisdale's article for The Cut is now in development at Netflix with Ali Wong and Sabrina Jallies attached to the project. This is so crazy. It is described as a half-hour comedy about a new mom who encounters a crew of rich mothers with a darker side. The series will be written by Jolly's known for her work on mating season and search party. I just know like the Hillary Duff, Mannymore Group chat is Chef Gabriella was popping off. Because the thing is that like here's the thing.

This sounds like a great show. Oh, 100%. Except for the fact that the article is like unworthy of a show like this. And I'm sure the show will be different from the article. And the show will be good on its own. But like, and while I'll agree with the show, I don't agree with the article. I know. And it's just like she was acting like a victim when like all was said and done.

I got the sense that like that was not the case. And so now she's, and I just know like Mandy Moore and a Hillary daughter just so over this. And she's just dragging it out even more. But also the premise of the show doesn't sound like the article because this was about like, they're all wealthy and they're all famous. And actually she's more famous than some of the other no names in the group. She just felt left out and like a loser because I think she is a loser. Or like it was that Rachel Corconnell thing.

Sometimes you feel things and it's not what the person is doing. It's just a reflection on your, like of how you feel and your insecurities. Click's going to click. We're not trying to hurt you. It just hurts you. We all connected and you did not connect with us and you can't help who you connect with them. We're, we're certainly not going to force it to protect your feelings when we also have kids that are running around. I'm just going to talk to why I naturally want to talk to you, and it's not you, and it's not to hurt you.

I'm just doing me. It just hurts you. I'm just doing me. So while this show sounds amazing, and I can't wait to watch it, like the fact that, like, she's now cashing in on this thing, I guess, like, I'm happy for her because she, like, turned out to be such a loser in that situation. Like, she wrote the article, and it turned on her so badly. Like, and she was getting such hate that, like, sure, sell it, whatever. But I don't really have high hopes for a show that's starring Ashley Tisdell, I just want to say. Also, did you see a couple weeks ago she was talking about being Sharpay on High School Musical?

and how, like, they really did not want her for the part. Disney, like, tried to not have her audition for the part. They said, you know, she's on Sweet Life and we're doing this movie. But everybody who's on the Disney shows gets to audition for the movies, and the more of the merry-up. And she really had to, like, fight for the audition. And then, like, she eventually got it. No, what about it? Are you just sharing that?

Well, that's, like, what the story was. But. You think that's what happened with the TV show? Like, she'd only sell it if she could. No, I have, like, a really hot take. Oh, my God. Let's fucking hear it. Like, let's go!

I think, like, like. Sharpay could have been played by someone else. Oh, I don't disagree. I don't think she was like integral to the success of Sharpay. She did it really well. She did a good job, but like I could see why they weren't like, oh, you have to be Charpe. One thousand percent.

That's not a hot take. Like she was lucky to get the job and she did a good job. High School Musical is like a hairspray where it's perfectly cast. Everyone is like central to their character. And I just think like someone else could have done it just as good that the movie would have been unsuccessful. I don't feel that way about Troy Bolton. Do people think that it's perfectly cast?

It doesn't come to mind. People think high school musical is perfect. They don't think about it. Right. No, she was good. She saw the opportunity and she took it, but it was like a fun, easy role. Anyone could have done it. Yeah, and it's like a great character.

One thousand percent. But she didn't make the character greater. The clothes and the right. She didn't make the character any greater than it was written. I don't disagree. Okay. I'm glad you agree. I like that.

Our fifth and final story is Love Island. Wait, what was the actual story there? Oh, Ashley Tizel. It's going to be a good show. It sounds like an amazing show, our favorite kind of show. I just like somebody could have just like written a show inspired by the article, not how. having to like adapt it formally and pay her to be in it.

I agree or just like write the show separately from the article. So it happened really quickly that like, I don't know, it gives really like not genuine from Ashley Tisdale. Also, I feel bad that I just like trashed her in every way today. I think I called her a loser. I said anybody could have done the job that she did. I think she's like really a sensitive person and like I just don't want to. That did come through in the article.

I just don't want any of this to hurt her. Yeah. We didn't mean to her. You know, it just hurts you. Like I felt like I was like really hard on her and like, are you having regret? No, it's just how I feel. Yeah.

It's just how I feel. Empath is going to empath, you know. Empath slash podcaster, hard walks. I hope she doesn't listen to this. I hope nobody sends it to her. Yeah, I hope today's episode flops, even though we know it's not going to. No, I just hope, I don't think she's a toast job,

and I just hope to only sends it to her, okay? Okay. And I hope that, like, if you were going to send it to her, you made it this far. And now you're not going to send this episode to Ashley did so. Like, she's sensitive. Yeah. But I'm going to watch your show and you share the producer credit.

Yep. Chaching. To Ching. Laugh all the way to the bank Ashley Tisell. you're going to do really well with this. Even, you know, and everyone's talking about you, okay? How great is that? How great is that?

I love when that happens. And I think she has a brand. And from what I've seen, it looks like a Frenchie. Frenchy, yeah, like a hair or something. And from what I've seen of that, like it looks like a good, complete brand. That's great. So she has a lot golly for her. A fellow founder.

A female founder. Yeah. She should go on confessions of a female founder. She's like. Season two coming. Lomada. Let's say into Love Island. You have two episodes to recap Friday night was a recoupling,

and then weirdly they sent home another couple on Sunday night. Things are starting to progress because total we've now lost six people. They're obviously like thinning out for the finals because the finals is four people. Seven people. Oh, plus Jen, who could forget. So let's talk about the recoupling on Friday night. Not very surprising. We didn't talk about movie night.

We didn't? Oh, me and Ben did. No. Movie night happened on our way here. Did it? Mm-hmm. Because I remember everyone was like, how are you guys and I'm not? not going to talk about movie night.

I mean, it was amazing. But the thing with this season in particular is that I never get a feeling of gratification because, yes, I was waiting for movie night. Nothing really has changed. Melanie is going to get back with sincere. So like, yeah, it was nice for everyone to see that there's an actual crazy sociopath in the villa.

And the only person who seems impacted by it is Corbyn. So it was gratifying, yes. But when everything shakes out, like these people are not smart. And I'm sorry to be like a woman hater, but the women in this villa are weak. They are terrible at giving advice to one another. And I'm sorry, like Anaya's leader of the pack in giving bad advice. Like, and everyone just, like, doesn't make good decisions for themselves.

And that's why this whole week was so frustrating because I feel like it was actually a window into Corbin and Parmita being the only people with, like, good heads on their shoulders. When Parmita was like, I'm voting for you, Melanie, to help you. Yeah. Your best friend and I, I'm team sincere. Like, Parmita's like randomly the only one who actually sees what's going on here. And, like, calling it a toxic relationship. That's exactly what it is. When sincere said, this isn't a toxic.

there's been toxic moments, but it's not toxic relationship. And then Ian made fun of him. Like that was really important to me. I feel like Ian's one of the few people that like I can trust here. Not only are the girls so infuriating, but America is so infuriating because America loves the more. And like they're going to keep voting them through even though they're actually like that fantastic, fabulous, smart, interesting.

And their relationships stink. But like they're going to keep voting those four girls through because they like the four girls. And that's why I'm so, I wouldn't mind watching a bunch of people be dumb. Fine. But if we could put them in their place every week with the votes. With the vote. No, it's a blindling the blind. And the fact that's why Corbyn and Parmita, I'm sorry, I randomly started standing them just in time for them to go home.

It was actually nice to see two people, like stand on fucking business. Like, yeah, I'm voting for you sincere because I realized you're a crazy person. Yeah. And then Parmita said, I'm voting for you, Melanie, because I'm actually worried about you. Like, girls, girl, girls, girls, girls, girl. There is somebody who actually is doing something good for Melanie. While everyone else, when fucking Anaya was like, you know, I'm teen sincere. What?

And how does the people who watch this show Not want Melanie and Sincere to break up? He's a horrible, terrible person. There's no way they got votes. There's no fucking way that they got more votes than Kada and Zach. And so no, no, so like if you want Melanie and Sincere to break up, which we should all want because they're a terrible toxic couple And he's a terrible, terrible guy.

Then how is Anaya your fave when she's saying, I'm Team Sincere? And her having these like one-on-one chats with Sincere like coaching him through. Like she's a bad friend. Movie Night was insane. The fact that everybody like screamed at Casey. when they saw what he didn't you know what all those like nasty comments and disrespectful comments he needed to be aired out for that but the fact that no one even said anything after since there was nothing to say after sincere's

clips like Melanie didn't even yell at him the girls where's Anaya with all that mad energy where's Trinity where's because they were stunned into silence that's how terrible but now like now nothing's going to change like the shock it's over it's over but when people are like how did Casey get voted as an eligible how did sincere if you are mad at kC for what kC did which you're i'm not but you're fine to be that's fine how are you not 100 times matter at sincere i just want to say like and this is the thing people have been disagreeing with me like when me and ben recap they were like hating our takes like oh and everybody says our love island takes our are bad no you guys you guys need help i don't hate

casey like he definitely is not faultless and he says a lot of really fucked up things and he could have probably handled the an i think nai thing better but like anaya's not blameless i don't think Casey's that bad of a guy, and I'm sorry, after last time's episode, I ship him and T.T. So, sorry, they are cute. I think that he just actually never really, like, deny that much. And there's no good way to handle that. No, to say that to someone. And she did really like him.

So that's just a bad situation to be in. He's obviously immature. He's not emotionally intelligent. But, like, you see how different he is in a relationship with a girl that he likes. Of course. Like, there is just not enough hate for sincere. No. In the villa, on Twitter.

There's not. There's not. And it's very frustrating to watch Melanie, like, I'm sorry, her, like, sleeping with her ass out. Like I lost it. I'm like, oh, we are dumb. We are dumb. It's very hard to watch people be so dumb.

Yeah. It just is. And so I'm getting frustrated now, especially because I feel like we actually made a little bit of progress in two episodes ago on Friday night. During the ceremony, I thought everyone was just going to vote

for Amora and Gal and then Jaden and Caleb. And like while they did, a lot of other conversations were had about Kenzie and Dylan, which should be had, and Melanie and Sincere. So I was actually pleasantly surprised

with the results of that, even though they ended up. And yeah, the stragglers had to go. But it's like every time someone new comes in here, they stand no chance. Yeah. The whole Oji villager toxicity thing is so annoying. And it makes the show so boring to watch because nothing ever really happens because the original islanders just always vote for each other and they always save each other.

And it's like, yeah, America can do this. But at the end of the day. And they're not that much more interesting than the bombshells. No. Not that much more beautiful than the bombshell. So I don't know why like no one else gets to stay and we get still stuck with these same eight people over again. We've had one group of bombshells and now they have all left.

The only originals that have left are Beah and Sean. Before any bombshells ever came, so like somebody had to go from the originals. Yeah. There were no bombshells. The season's pretty much over this week, right? So we've had one group of bombshells. Oh, I guess Kada. Kada and Gabe.

But so early. One group of bombshells and then Kasa. Oh, was Gabe a bombshell? Yeah, with Kada. Corbin was a bombshell, but he's gone. Caleb's gone. Soul gone. Jen gone.

I'm sorry. I like Jen. I like Jen. She was. And you could tell the whole bill. She was kind of interesting. She was. She had a good personality.

And I think she got like no air time because it was like truly nobody there for her. Yeah. I hate that gal. I was so happy to see him go. Oh my God. So happy to see him go. But I want to also talk about karaoke night because that was the first challenge we've had in a really long time. And it was the first challenge that wasn't pornographic.

It was so wholesome. I was cracking up. I felt more during that one challenge than I have felt during all challenges combined. And I know they're only doing it now because everyone's pretty much coupled up. So we can't be like fucking. No, but now make it interesting. Let's do the porno. Yes.

Now I want a porno. I want to see who's going to twerk on whose man who's holding. holding out a candle for who's taking the opportunity kiss. Now it's interesting. Now that we've got some skin in the game. It's true. But like I would love them to sprinkle in more moments like this karaoke challenge. It was so funny.

And the couples did bond. And even though it was definitely a cheat that Kenzie and Dylan got to stay. But I was glad that there was that sort of shakeup. I do think it speaks to a bit of a compatibility. If you can put together a routine. If you can execute. And so I think that they did deserve a real reward for doing a good job. And their thing was so cute.

Kenzie finally got to perform with her splits. She has a lovely voice. Dylan was right there with her, and they are cute together. They are. They deserve to not go home last night. But Parmita and Corbyn did not deserve to go home last night. But who? But actually who should have gone home?

Like Kada and Zach? No, Melanie and Sincere or Anaya and Carl because I am ready to talk about Anaya and Carl. And the fact that Carl came back from Casa makes me sick. Agreed. She does not deserve it. Why does everyone have to deal with the consequences of their actions except for Anaya? She does not deserve him. She did not deserve him.

Oh my God. I know. And I just want to also say, like, everyone's obsessed with Carl. Like, I'm not. I'm not. Because they're obsessed with Anaya and I'm not obsessed with Anaya. No, like, people are obsessed with Carl on his own. They think she's been wronged.

And so anything she says, they're going to vote for anyone she's with. They're going to vote for even though he's like a random guy. They're not even compatible. They're a bad couple. It's so unfair that he got to come back. I agree. And that she never, not even vulnerable. And single.

She made a bad decision. She made a, and she should have, like, she risked her time on the island. That's like when Elandria got down to them bringing back Jalen. Oh, yeah. But they put her with Nick. They did save Alandra, but you know what? But someone who was there? She didn't have a live feed into what Taylor was doing in Casa.

Right. She had no idea that he was disrespecting her. Exactly. She got a postcard also. Anaya got a postcard of him sitting at the pool, kissing T's eight in the middle of the day. That's what you do with someone that you're really into. Alandra never got any of. It's true.

And Elandria only got sent home and saved by Nick because they had to couple up in Casa and whoever wasn't chosen by a guy from Casa who they didn't even know yet and they didn't choose Alandria. So like she didn't deserve to go home in that moment. Agnes. Anaya risked her time on the island for Casey and she should have had to deal with the consequences. It's so unfair. It's so unfair.

I totally agree. And I just don't like them as a couple either. So like I'm not even excited. And it's crazy. Like she obviously didn't like him enough to choose him. Oh, I wanted them to bring back Ronnie. For him to be butt hurt Not Ronnie, Corey

For Melanie But apparently Corey has like weird intentions Since he's got off the show Like he was a good on after son And people think he's like full of shit too I know but I really wanted something thrown in the Melanie By the way I would never forgive you If you eliminated me for like

Of course So like how does he sleep at night Like where's his dignity? Oh Brinity had sex It's insane that there's no hideaway What is going on in this show? No dates One date

One hideaway one group of shells. Yeah. It's insane. Yeah. Such a bad season. It makes me so mad and not in a way that like, oh, you're getting me talking about the show I'm passionate.

Like, I actually have feel so much hatred. Me too. Towards the producers. I'm ready for the season to be done. Towards the cast. Towards the people who watch because every time America gets a chance to vote, they fuck it up. The fact that Parmedia and Corbyn and Cada and Zach were the bottom,

Kate and Zach are compatible. I know, like, people don't like Zach. They have their issues, but. But I also feel like they are a very happy couple. I think that every worst moment of Zach's we have seen on the show. They don't do anything to, like, make him. look better. But everybody and all the guys in the villa love him.

Him and Kita are together all day. They lay around all day talking, laughing, having fun. They are into each other. She definitely, like, doesn't punish him enough for the things that he does wrong. But I don't think anything that he's done that she should have ended the relationship over. Like he went to Casa and he explored a little too enthusiastically. And he didn't share that Alana sent got, took herself home. Yeah.

I'm holding, I don't know why, but I do feel like he was asked if he was going to bring her back. And he did, I feel like he chose before. she went home. Yeah. No, I agree, but the withholding information makes you look like a liar. Yeah. So I feel like they did this big Casa Moore shakeup to like save the season and I had hope. And now that all, it's all said and done, we've had two recoupling since Casa Moore like, like, I feel like it was all for nothing. And I do feel like I hate the season. Like I hate all the people there. There's not one person I like. Yeah. I mean, Kenzie's just a mess. The girls like both Kenzie and Melanie, that was a good conversation between the two of them. But like individually,

I feel like she always looks like she's going to throw up. Melanie's like lost so much. wait like she's always looked like she's on the verge of tears like this is seriously abuse yeah no she's seriously a shell of herself i think that after the challenge like she had a happy moment was sincere which she hasn't had in three weeks since literally the time that they open the doors for each other and that's really it's been downhill ever since um and the fact that her friends are like gassing her up kata to stay with him the blind leading the blind they're so dumb and then it just makes me so mad that like america will vote for these girls no matter what no matter how bad of friends they are bad examples they set for women

Like, it's insane. I was thinking, this last night, like, I know this is a big statement to say, but I feel as though the women cast on this season

of La Lott Island, like, are bad for women. And I think it all starts with the Naya. I actually think it all starts. Let me think, it kind of starts with Melanie.

Like, you have, they're all such big fucking talkers. Like, are you going to treat me like this? Meanwhile, nobody's, they're all getting walked over, like, so,

like door mats. They just talked, Kita two, sorry, they all talk such a big talk. The bill is going to shake. Meanwhile, not one of them has made one.

decision not one of them has stood up in themselves there is not one ounce of self-respect to be had in this entire I would say no trinity is an example yes to women and all but the thing is trinity laid into Casey right like laid into him at movie night and didn't have one word to say to sincere so then I'm like but I think they were at that point like all following Melanie's lead I think that she thought it was more powerful to not say anything than like to lace into it would have made him like all right I got laced into now we can move on but the fact like nobody even said anything I didn't have such a problem with that um but it was the way that energy was left a movie night And they all really did die out of it.

I understand why Melanie had nothing to say she's heartbroken, like she's embarrassed. Like there's nothing that sincere can respond to make it better. So why say anything? But that her friends didn't ride for her. I literally said, sincere, you are an actual crazy person. Like we are living in a villa with a sociopath. Watching everyone. We should vote you out.

I'm afraid. Watching everyone like put together. Corby. That the person that they are living. That's scary to live with a crazy. Sleep next to you. Yeah. Liar.

so that is a knock in trinities other than that she you know she's her winner she moves well in her relationship she's a good friend she's a example she's funny she wears good outfits like she's a winner she's all around villa islander but like why would america vote that an i and car are compatible they had a couple good conversations about volleyball and then she sent him home she sent him home they had a couple good conversations about volleyball and then she sent him home why are they more compatible than parmita and corbin people just get on a bandwagon that's exactly what happened last season with Amia. That's why I hate this show as well. I know. It's such a group think. Honestly. And here we are like independent thinkers. And next year you guys will be like,

oh, you were right about Anaya and Carl. But like we got hate last year for like not dying over Amaya and Brian. We need to lose the right to vote. Because it messes with the show even further. Yeah. But like the producers like that. And it makes like people watch and you get emotionally invested because like your vote means something like American Idol back in the day. Not if Melanie instance. If you voted that because the way the vote went was who's the most compatible couple. It wasn't like ranked them and it wasn't who's the least compatible couple because we would have had a different response.

They do that intentionally by the way. Of course. But that means that a lot of people voted that Melanie and Sincere are the most compatible couple on the island. More than Trinity and Bryce even that you think. You need your head checked. 1,000%.

Also, it looks like tonight and like the following episodes, Katie begins to crash out because I think that her and Zach, while they've had their bumps, they are kind of like the ace and Shelley. They're like the police of the, they police the group and they think that they're like the most well-liked,

and they've kind of been together the longest, more than anyone. They're the only ones who've been to the hideaway. So they consider themselves the number one guys in this group. I think they thought that they were winning. So for them to go from that to being dead last with Corbyn and Parnita, it's going to freak them out. Yeah, and she's spiraling and crushing out.

Thinking she doesn't know stuff about Zach. And the thing, she does know everything now. Yeah, there's not like a big bombshell. But she probably thinks like, oh my gosh, there's so much more that I don't know. And that's like scaring her. Yeah. That's like really like my. fuckery.

It is. At least Zach seems to put together that probably America thinks I'm not good enough for you, which is what America thinks. Yes. And he, like, yeah. And that she's, she kind of had her whole experience, like, sideline by him.

Yeah. She never explored. I don't know if there's really anyone in there. Like this. Everybody likes her. No, I'm, who's worthy of her, I'm saying. Bryce was interested. Bryce is a good guy.

Caleb was into her when he had like one day to explore. My Shayla, Caleb. He's too good for this show. A thousand percent. Get him. that island, stop. But even someone was sitting around talking about how everybody, like, at the island is so good-looking. I don't find that that's the case.

No, but two guys were sitting on couches. Corbin, for sure. No, no, no. It was like, I think it was like two Casa boys, like Carl. And Dylan. Yes. And then they also started saying how the guys were so good-looking. Yeah, and then it got like a little.

Yeah, but do it that way you will. And they said, everyone here is so good-looking, like, Kada. They just said, like, you know, Kata's so good-looking. So anybody would want to go. No, of course. But she has her eyes set. From the moment. Yeah.

And they like each other. The thing is to have to sit around and talk all day in the hot sun. You have to like actually like the person. I think there are a compatible cute couple. I just think he needs to grow up. Yeah. He's manipulative. And it gets like really involved in like the boys.

Like when the boys all get together, it's like truly scary. Yeah. It depends which guys. Because some of them are cute. And like they really liked Caleb. That was cute to see that they were like sad to miss him. Yeah. Corbin cried.

Corbin. No. by the end of the episode, after his performance, which I thought was cute, and after him and Parmita, like, stood on fucking business during that vote, I really started to like them. Yeah, me too. Just for them to leave. They are serious.

They closed off. They definitely have, like, a weird relationship, but who am I to judge? There's a little pot for every lid. Fucking hate that sincere. Like, I can't stress it enough. Poor Melanie. But, like, at some point, like, girl, you got to stand up for yourself. Yeah.

I can't have more respect for you than you have for yourself. People care about people who care about themselves. else. It's infuriating too much. It is. The tushy, I was like, oh, we're done. We're done. And the fact that, like, he doesn't go and sleep in soul ties preemptively and give her the bed. He keeps letting her sleep in salties.

He's such a piece of shit. Such a piece of shit. It's really insane. Like, that's not how I want to spend every night is with sincere. Sincere. So true. And, oh, I said this last night, but, like, any brand who after the show, like, works with Sincere, like, you're garbage. Who would want that as your ambassador?

I will be boycotting. Honestly, like, I'm not a boycotting. I don't need to like a pantine commercial though with that hair. But just know personally, like I judge you if that's your brand and bad. Like he showed up on this show and was a piece of garbage. And that's who you are? And that's who you want to represent your brand. Like what are you doing?

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