The Toast - Kidney Garage: Tuesday, August 1st, 2023

Episode Date: August 1, 2023

Lizzo forced dancers to eat bananas from sex workers’ vaginas during Amsterdam trip: bombshell lawsuit (Page Six) (21:07)Inside Angus Cloud's Grief Before Dying: 'Euphoria' Star 'Intensely ...Struggled' with His Dad's Death Last Week (PEOPLE) (29:01)Paul Reubens, Pee-wee Herman Actor, Dies at 70 After Private Bout of Cancer (Variety) (32:31)Bebe Rexha confirms breakup from boyfriend Keyan Safyari after body-shaming text: report (Page Six) (44:17)Love Is Blind alum Nick Thompson, 38, reveals he is on the brink of Homelessness because nobody will hire him in wake of the dating show (Daily Mail) (52:56)The Toast with Jackie (@JackieOshry) and Claudia Oshry (@girlwithnojob) The Camper and The Counselor by Jackie OshryMerchThe Toast PatreonGirl With No Job by Claudia OshrySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Good morning, Millennials! Welcome back to The Toast and happy Tuesday. I apologize for the delayed episode, but trust and believe it is worth it because your girl is home. I am home. I've been in Florida this last week and I love Florida, but I love my family. There's nothing in this world I love more than my family, except my bed. And I have returned to my bed. I am so happy. Yeah, I'm sorry. I said it. I love Olivia. I love her house, but and her bed is great. It's not my bed. Got it. Well, we're happy to have you back. I'm happy I said it I love Olivia I love her house but and her bed is great it's not my bed got it well we're happy to have you back I'm happy that we're happy to have you back well I mean you
Starting point is 00:00:31 kicked me off the podcast the last two episodes like Friday's episode I did you could have done it I was fine to do I didn't have any conflict I couldn't do Monday's episode and I told you that weeks ago because I had a doctor's appointment so I did need a sub in then but you're like Friday Ben Monday Olivia bye I was like oh okay oh and I'm using your studio and I'm taking over your house bye oh oh let's go there okay ready first of all I gave you a day off you're welcome like no I'm not I'm not I'm not complaining but I just want like it the people to know because they probably assumed like oh Jackie couldn't do the episode Friday so Claudia subbed well you obviously didn't listen to my episode with Ben where I said you know what I'm in Florida no and you gave me studio at my disposal let me give Jackie a day off
Starting point is 00:01:14 no I did listen to it so why would you say that I said anything else I didn't say that you said something else I said people might think and even though you said I'm giving her a day off they might have thought like oh because she couldn't do it. Well, you know what? If you couldn't do it, you're literally the most pregnant bitch I've ever seen. Like, that's fine. It's fine if you can't do it. I know, but some days I really can't do it, so I just wanted
Starting point is 00:01:35 people to know. Like, I got the boot from my own show. You got the boot for your own show, but for amazing reasons. And you know what? I got the boot from a bare footed foot. You did. Ben tooted you right out. With his big, shoeless, hairy foot. And he just got to stomp over everyone around with his big feet. Yeah, he really did.
Starting point is 00:01:53 But then yesterday, I couldn't do it. Olivia did it. I watched your guys' episode. That was so fun. And I do have to report, you know, I got two days off of Alarm Free Living and I woke up earlier than ever. Good. Even today, we're recording later.
Starting point is 00:02:05 Woke up, like got up way before my alarm would have gone off. Yeah. So you love to see that. Well you're welcome. I also we had taken apart your Florida studio before when we like ran back to New York to get to your doctor we were like thinking maybe we'll podcast from your bed. We took everything apart. We tried to set up a studio. When I was gonna do bed rest in Florida I brought my studio equipment down to my bed is what you're trying to say we haven't been back to your house since then so your podcast studio was in disarray so I didn't take over your studio I put it back together bitch you're welcome I carried all that equipment up those stairs by yourself no with Ben I was gonna say Ben didn't help you he was literally there he did but like it was a lot of stuff and I didn't want to make two trips.
Starting point is 00:02:45 Like I had to carry stuff. He had to carry stuff. No, I appreciate it. I love seeing the flamingos. I love seeing you in my house. I love seeing my house. Oh, and I was such a good sister. I went through all my packages.
Starting point is 00:02:57 And honestly, when I saw how many packages you got, I'm like, you have a problem. No, but you opened them. No. Okay. Can I finish my sentence? We just, like, can't communicate. Stop today. We can't.
Starting point is 00:03:09 We can't. I said, when I saw the amount of packages, I was like, this girl has a problem. I'm seriously, I'm going to get a therapist and, like, do an intervention. Like, this is an abnormal amount of boxes. I know you've been gone for months, but, like, my God, how much does she order? And when I tell you you there was probably 50 boxes and three of them were things you actually ordered uh everything else was like PR and toe sponsors and just like product yeah I I judged you and I was wrong I'm sorry well it's okay
Starting point is 00:03:35 because you did open my packages keep the things that I needed and discard of the boxes which was the kindest thing that you could do for me so I don't have to walk home and into all of it I by the way like I know the feeling like I just got home I was gone since Wednesday I have so many boxes outside my front door and like it's the worst thing ever like all the work waiting for you so honestly I know what a good deed it was and the way that I have taken that off your plate like not to make everything about me like I feel good like for doing that I'm so happy that you feel good and I feel good because you raided my closet while you were in Florida. I did.
Starting point is 00:04:09 And honestly, you've never looked better. Yeah, I didn't pack anything for Florida because I have like a bunch of, I have all my makeup down there. I have all my hair products. I have like a decent amount of clothing. It's nothing like gorgeous, but it's good stuff for podcasting and like walking around the neighborhood. So when we went out to dinner, I didn't have anything and
Starting point is 00:04:27 I was like there's a gorgeous closet. Let me go see what my stylish you know invested investor sister has for me. And I had such a good time you know scrolling down the aisles of your closet, picking things. I looked gorgeous. I wore a very controversial pair of shoes. Thank you for being so generous, so open with me. I truly appreciate it. You know I always have. You guys a very controversial pair of shoes. Thank you for being so generous, so open with me. I truly appreciate it. You know I always have. You guys are always so surprised when I literally would give you the shirt off my back and lend
Starting point is 00:04:50 you my nicest things. But I like to- It's so true. I like to see my sisters look nice. It's true. I'm just like always, like I picked up a purse and I'm like, I'm going to wear this. LOL. And you were like, no, you could wear it.
Starting point is 00:05:01 I'm like, what? I can wear this Gucci bag that I don't think I've ever seen you wear. Like- But I did wear it. It must be new., you could wear it. I'm like, what? I can wear this Gucci bag that I don't think I've ever seen you wear. But I did wear it. It must be new. No, I wore it. It's relatively new, but I wore it in the same outfit that you did. That was funny. You really are a generous queen.
Starting point is 00:05:14 Thank you. I don't know why it's shocking. I know. Because you're a nice person. I don't know why it's shocking, but it is. And I think it's because you really care about, you take such good care of your clothes and your bags and you have pieces for years. And they're important to you, whereas I throw my clothes in a ball and it's all but like it is and I think it's because like you really care about like you take such good care of like your clothes and your bags and you have pieces for years and like they're important to you whereas like I throw my clothes in a ball and it's all from Amazon like your your
Starting point is 00:05:31 things are so important to you you have such pride in them that I wouldn't be mad or surprised if you were very territorial with them but whenever any sister like needs something you're always like take it no take it you're so that can never be Like, you will give someone a shirt or a bag or whatever that you haven't even worn yet, which is crazy. Yeah, if they needed it and it was, like, the right thing for the occasion, then my sister's going to, like, step out into the world feeling and looking her best. Yeah, but maybe it's shocking because, like, as kids,
Starting point is 00:05:57 that was pretty much the only thing we ever fought about was, like, somebody wearing someone's shirt without permission. Like, clothes, we were so territorial over them. Mm-hmm. Maybe that's why yeah maybe or like as kids like we were all I don't know maybe like slobs and you didn't know if you were like gonna get your things back but now it's like you want to ruin my dress like you'll go get it dry cleaned slobs that's true even though I am still a slob I do feel like maybe now is a good time to mention I did borrow um this like green Abercrombie set it wasn't like crazy it was not expensive and I went to Outback Steakhouse and ate a Bloomin' Onion it was so oily there was like
Starting point is 00:06:35 two drops of oil on the shirt and like I don't know how to get rid of it it's fine it wasn't like something super fancy if that outfit like vanished from my closet I don't know if I would ever notice. Okay, it's not like one of your prized possessions. No. But you know how sometimes like you'll think of a clothing item that you once owned and you're like, I didn't ever get rid of it, but I've never, I haven't seen it in years. There are things that come into my closet never to be seen again.
Starting point is 00:07:01 Yeah, I wonder where those things are. Maybe it's like your sister stained it with a blooming onion and just stashed it in the incinerator. Yeah, it's like one of those mysteries of the universe. Yeah, like I think of certain like t-shirts or something. I'm like, I never threw that away or donated it. So like, where the hell is it? I know that happens. Like, I'll wake up in the middle of the night
Starting point is 00:07:19 and just like be thinking about a random piece of clothing I bought three years ago that I never wore. Yeah. We've got a great show today. We've got stories gal galore and I can't wait to talk to you about it but I did want to mention how we kind of I believe it was on Friday where Ben was on the toast and we were talking about Francia Raisa and I was telling Ben that Francia Raisa is actually a really good friend of Josh Peck and they should get her on the podcast and Ben was like oh let me ask and you know everything just happened so easily for Ben yesterday they recorded with Francia Raissa
Starting point is 00:07:49 that's why they usually release their episodes on Monday of the good guys podcast but today they really this week they released it on Tuesday because they wanted to squeeze in this um episode with Francia and I actually listened in while they were recording because I just was like so interested and I wasn't doing anything else. And you got to listen to it. It's out now. You can watch it on YouTube or you can listen to it as a podcast. She was really very open. And I think a lot of people will enjoy the episode. One, just like she's a cool, fun, young, funny, pretty girl. And she's really talented and she has like an interesting background.
Starting point is 00:08:19 But then, of course, you know, they dove deep into the kidney gate. And she's clearing some things up. Okay. I will be listening. Obviously I want to know all about her and her story and kidney gate. Yeah it was it was very interesting. Leave it to Ben and Josh to like stumble into you know the most premium guests of the year. Right of course only the best for the good guys. And she also talked a lot about like the ins and outs of being a kidney donor. One thing I learned from her episode which I found to be so interesting is that if you are somebody who has given someone a kidney and years later or however much time later your remaining
Starting point is 00:08:54 kidney fails or something happens and you end up needing a transplant because you were a donor you automatically go to the top of the list. Wow. I mean. I know it makes sense because it's like you are missing a kidney because you gave one. You gave it. Yeah. But do some people just get their kidney out and then go on with one kidney? Yeah. Everyone does. You only need one kidney to live. Right. So then this is going to sound so dumb. The people who like need a kidney transplant, do they lose both kidneys? No, it's a good question. I was actually thinking about that maybe the other kidney isn't strong enough yes yes yes but like a healthy person in this life only needs one kidney to survive and the problem is is like what I think one is really essentially supposed to be a backup for the other yeah but if they're both not operating
Starting point is 00:09:43 at a hundred percent then you do need to bring in a second or or if you only have one and because you had donated one and i'm not talking about i'm not talking okay okay um okay okay kidney sounds sounding like funny to say kidney garage garage garage garage garage can yeah what no like we know your, wench. Like, we know you think the word garage is funny, like, over and over again. Wow. Oh, we know. We know. Yes, Jackie, it's called relating to another person in a conversation.
Starting point is 00:10:13 I know the feeling you're talking about with kidney because I get that feeling when I say the word garage a lot. And I know that you get that feeling because you tell us all the time. Because I'm so open and authentic and honest. Yes, thank you for reminding everyone. Bitch. Kidney, kidney, kidney. it sounds fine to me I'm like garage help is a cry for help I'm gonna miss you so much when you go on maternity leave like it's just it's not the same when Jax isn't here I know well I'm going on maternity leave very soon
Starting point is 00:10:42 which I am excited about I'm gonna miss the toast and I'm going to miss podcasting with you. But I am excited for like that joie de vivre we'll have when we come back together. That, yes, like a like a renewed spirit between us. Also, I know you didn't do it on purpose, but I'm like eternally grateful to you for planning your maternity leave in August. Because August is really a dead month for celebrities, for podcasting. Like our numbers, they're not great right now. I'm not gonna lie. Like they're taking a dip.
Starting point is 00:11:09 Yeah, well, no, they're, we were peaking and now you could tell people aren't on vacation. People aren't like listening on their commute to work. They're listening to the radio while having like a beer with their friends. They're not listening to podcasts. It's always like a slow, low month for us. So if we have to take time off, I'm glad it's not like, you know, February.
Starting point is 00:11:28 February is lit, you know? January is lit. Oh, so good. So August, like I'm totally fine with. And, you know, while you're on maternity leave, like I could take a trip. And what's a better time to take a trip than August? Where should I go? Saint-Tropez, south of France?
Starting point is 00:11:40 Yeah, that's where everyone goes in August. I think I should go. Okay. Bye, turd-y-loo. Bye, turdy loo. Bye, turdy loo. Are you really going to take a trip? I don't know. Like, the world is my oyster now.
Starting point is 00:11:52 It is. Wow. I've been hanging out with Olivia too much because that is so something Olivia would say. She loves like a hallmark card. The world is your oyster. Yeah. What's it called? Like a little like.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Colloquialism? Is that what it's called? a little like colloquialism is that what it's called like a phrase like a little quote that you would see she always says yolo yeah yeah everything she'll rationalize everything anything like you'll say oh why did you do this she'll explain why she did it and she was like a yolo no and she's so right like you only live once. Yeah. It's like facts. So funny. She's so funny. The episode yesterday was really funny. What's also so funny, because we're just like. Oh my god, we are funny.
Starting point is 00:12:34 Comedians. We are funny. You podcasted with Olivia yesterday. And then this weekend, I podcasted with Snitch for the Patreon. We did an audio only episode. And it was just like so funny. I can't explain why but she was just cracking me up she's so she's so snitchy you know there's something going on
Starting point is 00:12:53 with the snitch you've podcasted with her recently so like you've experienced it but it was just hysterical and i'm excited for everyone to hear it don't you feel like there's something going on with the snitch? Kind of like a renewal of sorts? She's kind of giving like extra snitchy energy these days. Yeah no the snitch I've gotten I've seen her a couple times in like the last week she's been a wonderful snitch. Maybe she's the type of snitch who kind of blooms in summer. She's a summertime snitch. She would say so you know what she would say and I would roll my eyes. Something about seasons?
Starting point is 00:13:26 That she's in her season, yeah. Yeah. Is that like one of the phrases you hate? No. I just like didn't think it made a lot of sense. Interesting. I just didn't like, I just feel like seasons change. No, that's pretty much what they were invented to do. They don't last very long.
Starting point is 00:13:42 That's true. So what happens when the season's over? A new season begins. But then it's not her season. I just found it faulty. No, you're 100% right. The fault in our season. It was just very limiting, I felt.
Starting point is 00:13:57 I understand that completely. She was saying it literally a year and a half ago. And I feel like she's more in her season now than she was a year and a half ago so I feel like maybe she was saying it what do you hope for that what do you hope like you're constantly becoming even more in your season not like less as time goes you're always supposed to be growing you're not in your season then it's not a season yeah I mean I guess if you're the type of person who's like you know obsessed with like facts yeah okay you're right you know yeah yeah I agree yeah yeah I agree anyways we do have a good show we've got some stories for you I missed commentating on some
Starting point is 00:14:34 of the stories that happened Friday and Monday but I'll be okay I'll be okay like Megan Fox responded to all the weirdos and what did you think about the tone of her of her response? Honestly I liked it. Um it was like so aggressive. She was talking literally to us. No I don't think she was talking to me actually because I. Not you. I was saying like there's definitely more to the story and I felt like even though she was being like rude and technically she was asking for money from the people she's also calling weirdos um so true I like that she did provide some context like do you guys ever consider that maybe this makeup artist like doesn't want her celebrity clients like having that dynamic between them
Starting point is 00:15:13 that like they paid all her bills she asked me to put like I said the nail artist asked for her to post the link and like what do you say to that yeah yeah so I I was shocked that she commented on it I thought it was like but yeah her to do so but I'm glad that she did so in a way that had some character yeah it was different it was different yeah it was it wasn't just like you know everyone worked really hard on this movie the cast cast and crew yeah I'm glad I'm happy she didn't throw the cast and the crew under the bus either yeah so she had something to say and I enjoyed consuming it yeah yeah oh and what was your take on Cardi B oh my god I'm all over the place
Starting point is 00:15:58 because at first I was like you get her Cardi. Me too. Like you make an example out of her. Fuck around and find out. This is why context is everything. Yep. Everything. Because even though she said she said splash water on my p-word and then but then apparently she also said but not on my face. So clearly the girl splashed her and got on her face but you've seen the video of the girl she does it and then she's like sorry sorry. I think that she didn't mean and got on her face. But you've seen the video of the girl. She does it and then she's like, sorry, sorry. I think that she didn't mean to get on her face. She probably turned around quicker than the girl was expecting. Yeah, but also like how do you tell people to splash you but not your face? Like you can control the level of splash.
Starting point is 00:16:37 You know, she opened up the floodgates. Literally. Given that she was the one who opened the gates, like she doesn't get to have that reaction. Yeah. You know? When I had thought it was just, like, a completely unprompted, unprovoked thing, I'm like, get her. Like, she's so entitled to that sort of reaction.
Starting point is 00:16:54 But context, like, actually really made me feel bad for the girl. Yeah. Okay, good. I'm glad I got your opinion. Yeah. So not everything is so cut and dry. Yeah. I just hope, like, when an entertainer does get unfairly thrown something at,
Starting point is 00:17:09 like, they do have that energy. Me too, me too. It was a good example for, like, what type of energy you should have in the correct situation. But this was not the correct situation. Correct. Also, I think her aim was off, and she hit a different girl. Yes, oh, the microphone didn't even hit the girl who threw it.
Starting point is 00:17:24 She hit someone else. If you're going to throw something at someone, like, and she hit a different girl. Yes. Oh the microphone didn't even hit the girl who threw it. She hit someone else. If you're going to throw something at someone like you better get the right girl. Yeah. A hundred percent. Like your aim has to be on point. Mm-hmm. And it wasn't. No.
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Starting point is 00:20:54 our Hannah Montana transitions. Oh, yeah. I like that. Because I like it. Our first story is actually some crazy news that just came out so it is actually not the worst thing that we started this afternoon but a bombshell lawsuit says that Lizzo forced her dancers to eat bananas from sex workers vaginas during an Amsterdam trip amongst
Starting point is 00:21:23 other allegations but I do think that is the most headline-grabbing one. Yeah. Three of Lizzo's former dancers are suing the Good As Hell performer, as well as Big Girl, Big Touring, and Charlene Quigley for allegedly subjecting them to endure weight-shaming, sexually denigrating behavior, and pressuring them to participate in disturbing sex shows.
Starting point is 00:21:43 The plaintiffs, Ariana Davis and Crystal Williams, claim in the lawsuit filed on Tuesday, obtained by Page Six, that they were eventually fired, and the third plaintiff said that she resigned over Lizzo's stunning behavior. While on a concert trip with the award-winning Grammy artist to Amsterdam in February 2023, the plaintiffs claim that Lizzo invited them for a night on the town, which ended in the city's red light district, the areas known for sex theaters, sex shops, and clubs and bars where nudity is on full display. The lawsuit states, quote,
Starting point is 00:22:18 things quickly got out of hand. Lizzo began inviting cast members to take turns touching the nude performers, catching dildos launched from the performers' vaginas, and eating bananas protruding from the performers' vaginas. Ew. The suit also claims that Lizzo allegedly pressured and goaded Davis into touching one nude performer's breasts. The plaintiffs claim that just a month later Lizzo deceived them once again into attending a nude show thereby robbing them of the chance of the choice not to participate. Davis also claims in the lawsuit that at one point she had no choice but to soil herself on stage during an excruciating re-audition fearing the repercussions of excusing herself to go to the bathroom eventually Lizzo allegedly fired Davis on the spot after learning Davis had recorded one of their meetings even though it was in order to have a copy of the notes that the
Starting point is 00:23:00 artist had provided Rodriguez resigned shortly thereafter out of solidarity with Davis and the disrespect Lizzo allegedly showed her. I mean, this is like so disturbing and gross. And it just came out, so I don't think Lizzo's responded yet. And I'm sure she won't just because like, again, it's like one of those things where you really can't say anything because it's like an ongoing legal matter. Right.
Starting point is 00:23:23 I do want to say the girl who got fired for recording um I can actually see that being I don't know what they're suing for if it's like wrongful termination like I do feel like that's like a big no-no um and I could see like like Lizzo winning that legal argument because yeah whatever her reasoning was like recording and I'm sure she signed NDAs it's like a direct violation of a contract or whatever but the other stuff in this uh lawsuit is so deeply disturbing um especially as it pertains to like forcing people who work for you and it's not only people who work for you there's such a power dynamic between like celebrity and you know civilian there's so many different dynamics forcing them to attend like really disturbing
Starting point is 00:24:05 graphic nude lewd I believe the word is um performances and like forcing them to participate is like actually really traumatizing and this is really disgusting yeah so what they're suing for is general and special damages as well as punitive damages and attorney's fees and it also says that Lizzo and her managed team treated their performers um the way that they treated them seemed to go against everything Lizzo publicly stands for privately she weight shames her dancers and demeans them in ways that are absolutely demoralizing I think also weight shaming um fat shaming or skinny shaming like it maybe if they were losing weight that's not a good thing I don't I couldn't really can't see Lizzo fat shaming someone like that's literally her whole yeah but they didn't say
Starting point is 00:24:48 fat shaming which makes me like they said they did say weight shaming so I feel like it could just be the opposite yeah like maybe if some of the dancers just like from being on tour or whatever like started to lose weight Lizzo's whole aesthetic is that she wants to prove like big girls can be dancers too so if they're like not corroborating with that sort of image I get that or they don't have like the look that she wants right she'll start shaming them until which is like exactly what the industry has been doing for years the opposite but it's still the same it's wrong it's wrong both ways it's a core issue um no I think this is shocking one the allegations are shocking the banana and the vagina and the sex things are wild but also like this is so incongruous with Lizzo's public image like I
Starting point is 00:25:35 think Lizzo's fans and just you know people are have been really like taken aback by this even though the news just dropped it's it's very shocking to hear it's so not lizzo it's not the lizzo you we know but again we don't know these people it's so true so i don't know i don't know yeah i mean this will all have its day in court right so we'll have an opportunity to defend herself. And maybe make a statement. I feel like she could say, while this is an ongoing legal matter, like everything alleged, I feel like a lot of people would be like, this is completely untrue. I look forward to my day in court. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:15 Especially if that's what they're going to say in court. I don't know why you couldn't put that out in a PR statement too. Yeah. Yeah. But is the story like big enough? I also could see people like not caring I feel like people just like love Lizzo and like whatever no I think it's big like because I saw the initial articles in page six and then like my Instagram just like random
Starting point is 00:26:34 publications like yeah yeah yeah because some of the allegations are extremely. They're fucking gross. Yeah. Attention grabbing. Yeah, because I feel like celebrities get sued all the time for being horrible to work with. But the specificity of these accusations are so one specific and be like really disturbing once you read them. Yeah. Yes. We always get get you know like a toxic workplace right a lot of these like vague terms which could be really bad
Starting point is 00:27:11 could be really bad or it could just be like a person's particular experience yeah and I think when they use big like those buzzwords like toxic workplace they've kind of lost their meaning yeah because they never say what it actually was and we're like okay toxic workplace like maybe you got yelled at but this is like actually a toxic workplace yes and incredibly specific and also as stated very different than the lizzo that we yeah think we know this is big if true because sometimes you hear about someone who's like you know a mean boss and you're like yeah they seem like a mean boss but this is like the conversation and that's their brand flat or even like Miranda Lambert yes oh that's what we were talking about Miranda
Starting point is 00:27:55 Lambert like her situation like it didn't affect her at all like nobody pulled her music from country radio like because she's the bad bitch of country like it doesn't it makes sense that's like so Miranda but Lizzo's kind of this queen and like kind of kind of carved out this whole space in the industry for you know being different being inclusive being kind so it it's like I'm trying to think of an example like Ellen is the example yes yes you took the words right out of my mouth, Jackie. Ellen is an example. When your brand is kindness and in turn you end up not only not being kind but being like the nastiest bitch alive. Like it's jarring.
Starting point is 00:28:34 Yeah. And it makes the fallout from the situation a lot bigger and worse than it would be. Yes. If it was like, you know, I don't know, Simon Cowell is a hard boss to please. So true. Like that's so Simon right so we will definitely keep tabs on this story hopefully Lizzo will speak out or the trial will start soon and we'll get more information but this was just crazy yeah are you ready for our next story I am honestly we have two very sad stories from yesterday.
Starting point is 00:29:06 I know. I'm like really upset about Angus Cloud. Yes, Angus Cloud has passed away. His family announced yesterday after struggling, intensely struggling with grief following the loss of his father, Connor Hickey, the week before. The 25-year-old actor was found dead in his home on Monday. Before that, the actor and his family had reportedly traveled to Ireland last week to
Starting point is 00:29:28 bury their patriarch. The family said, it is with the heaviest heart that we have to say goodbye to an incredible human today. As an artist, a friend, a brother, and a son, Angus was special to all of us in so many ways. Last week, he buried his father and intensely struggled with the loss. The only comfort we have is knowing Angus is now reunited with his dad, who was his best friend. No, this is like so sad. Margo sent the link in our chat. And you know when something shocks you so much, like you can't even read it.
Starting point is 00:29:55 Like, I knew what it said, but I'm like, wait, it was not computing logistically in my brain. I am so sad. And I think that, you know, any life loss, but someone so young whose career had just started, like Euphoria is his first project and he shot to fame and every brand wanted to work with him. I think he was like a face of Louis Vuitton because his character in the show, for anyone who doesn't watch, like he is like a drug dealer but he's kind of weirdly like the
Starting point is 00:30:20 moral compass of the show. He like looks out for his younger brother and he's like, he knows what he's doing is wrong but like he just needs the money and he's kind of like a therapist to a lot of people he's one of my favorite characters and he's a lot of people's favorite character and I think it was he's not an actor like he's not a trained actor this was his first job so I really feel like the character he played was really similar to the type of person he was like a very sweet soft-spoken boy and I don't know any of that to be like fact or not it's just the vibe that I get and it just I don't know I'm like a really this is one of the saddest things I've that's I've heard in a really long time yeah I don't want euphoria so I honestly was not familiar with him but this story is just so incredibly sad like that's how profoundly moved he was and devastated by the loss of his dad that
Starting point is 00:31:03 I mean they didn't say cause of death but the family I feel like they did that they said the actor was open about his battle with mental health and hope that his passing could be a reminder to others who are struggling that they are not alone and should not fight this on their own in silence I feel like it's a very respectful way of saying suicide yes um. And that's just so sad. It's, there's no, there's really nothing else to say other than this is one of the saddest things. And it's just terrible. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:37 I do, like, he is an active and sort of kind of main character in Euphoria. I know that Euphoria I believe they said that the next season not that this matters literally at all but like this is what people talk about yeah um I believe they said the next season which I don't even know when it's coming out but it's like five years in the future I so oh I saw a headline that it was like not coming out for a few years no no no oh no like it's not coming out it's not coming out for a while and it's also set in like five years from now oh okay you'll probably I probably saw something that was like new euphoria set in 2026 or something right and I thought it meant it was coming back then understood um so
Starting point is 00:32:18 I feel I really hope that they like honor him because he was such an important part and like really just kind of like the soul of the show so I hope that they honor him I'm sure that they will and it'll be really sad to watch yeah well our next story is also very sad because Paul Rubens also known as Pee Wee Herman the actor has died at the age of 70 after a private bout of cancer so Paul Rubens an actor best known for portraying the irrepressibly joy joyfully, childlike Pee Wee Herman, died Sunday night after a private bout of cancer. He wrote in a statement posted to Instagram after his death, Please accept my apology for not going public with what I've been facing in the last six years.
Starting point is 00:32:56 I've always felt a huge amount of love and respect from my friends, fans, and supporters. I've loved you all so much and enjoyed making art for you. Can I ask you a question? Yes. Do you know what I'm going to say? You're going to ask about his scandal. Yeah, like how do you reconcile someone's death when they've done horrible things? Okay, do you know what he did?
Starting point is 00:33:18 Child pornography. Public masturbation. Okay, so I looked into it because I was like everyone's saying the nicest things about Pee Wee Herman but then I remember then I was like but isn't there some like stain from the past right and I looked into it and the first thing was uh not public masturbation he was caught with his like penis out at a um like a porn show one of those porn theaters like so in a place with adults watching porn he had his penis out which was so shocking one like it was the 90s and two was just incongruous with him
Starting point is 00:33:51 being this child performer and like right you know him in his private life doing something that was more weird than the character that we know but it was like a victimless crime that's I mean he was just attending like a legal thing and had his wiener out well I've kind of remembered the story as him being in like a movie theater with his pecker out with other people around but no it was a porn house yeah so in 2002 he was also charged with one misdemeanor count of possessing material depicting children engaged in sexual conduct a charge that was later dropped with the actor pleading guilty to a charge of obscenity instead okay so then i saw that child pornography thing and it it was like cartoon uh images or cartoons that were like vintage like they're from 30 years ago it wasn't like active child pornography like we think about it and i don't even know what do you mean cartoons
Starting point is 00:34:42 not cartoons like um editorial hold on I was just reading this I know what you mean Pee Wee Herman's scandal this is what it said I just want to speak correctly on it yeah yeah yeah okay I feel like the first one you wouldn't get arrested for today like having your penis out at a sex show yeah and they weren't the charges were dropped got it so okay in 2001 police searched his home in the hollywood hills they seized boxes of materials that his spokesperson characterized as vintage erotica the lawyer said the charges of possessing images of child pornography were untrue and without merit and his publicist said the handful of images came from more than 10,000 vintage magazines seized from the Acker's home, some of which were three decades old.
Starting point is 00:35:33 The charges were dropped in 2004 when he pleaded guilty to a lesser obscenity charge. So it's not like child pornography. It's like, as we think of it today, it's like these children are exploited. Yeah, no, I think of like Mark Saling who had like, you know, files and files of homemade, terrible, exploitive, nude children. Yeah, not that. Not Squeaky Clean, who I don't know what the images were. And there's like there's so many things of like there's charges against him,
Starting point is 00:36:02 charges dropped. When the charges are dropped, are you not in it? Like like can we not move on from it question that's a good question I don't know it's a little dicey and I don't know actually totally random like literally I don't know this is not a good tangent but I was just thinking about prison last night I watched um Jelly Roll has a documentary on Hulu and And I really, like, obviously I know him because he's country, but, like, I don't really know his story at all. And it was fascinating. I highly recommend the documentary.
Starting point is 00:36:31 He, like, I know that he has, like, these incredibly devout, obsessed fans. Like, I didn't really understand why. And his whole thing is addiction. He was, you know, a pretty big drug addict and drug dealer, and he was in and out of juvie and, you know, adult prison. He was, you know, a pretty big drug addict and drug dealer. And he was in and out of juvie and, you know, adult prison for like, you know, the formative years of his life. And he finally got his act together and just kind of focused everything he was focusing on drugs, putting into music. And he talked a lot about how like he trades one vice for another.
Starting point is 00:37:01 And how like he talked about his weight actually really openly. And how like food is definitely one of the things he traded for drugs. And like it's better, but he's now obese and like his words not mine um and like it's also unhealthy yeah yeah but he's like it's better than you know crack it was really an interesting documentary I actually think you would like it and now I feel like I understand because it doesn't feel like he kind of came out of left field into the music space with like all these fans yeah but so like addiction and recovery is so his beat and I think that's like those are the people who are really impacted by his music and he it was actually really amazing he likes you know spends so much time and money while he's out
Starting point is 00:37:33 on the road visiting um rehab facilities and juvenile like delinquent centers I don't know if they still call them that but um and he brings them food and like if they have any passions like he bought this girl a guitar just so she could like focus her energy on that instead of you know like being with the wrong crowd it was a really good documentary okay I'll check it out and he was talking about I'm sorry this is I remember why I thought of it he was basically saying he's so much guilt for the things he did that ended him in prison ended up in prison for him like yeah he sold drugs but then he had like armed robbery and like he hurt a lot of people um and he feels like he really can't move on and that's why he does all these things I think he feels this like immense amount of guilt and he never lives in the present because
Starting point is 00:38:11 he's so stuck in the past he's like I don't know how or when like people can forgive me and like I can forgive myself for the things that I did and he's like clearly a good person he just like was a troubled teen who hurt people um and that's that's what it reminded me of because it's like at what point do you you know move on the peter herman thing is different because i feel like when you really look into it you're right they're not like they're not the crazy like they're not it's it's not like especially considering what we see in here today and especially out of hollywood but um i was just looking more like so he was fined $100 for the and he did three years probation and agreed to register as a sex offender. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:52 OK, wait now. Now I want to backtrack a little bit. I feel like being registered as a sex offender is like no small thing. This is what he said at the time. He said, I'm glad the prosecutors finally dismissed the child pornography charge without me or the taxpayers having to pay for a costly circus-like trial. I'm disappointed any part of my collection was ever deemed inappropriate. Taking responsibility by calling a few images in this collection obscene and paying a $100 fine seemed like the sanest way to make it end. He said, I don't want anyone for one second to think that I am titillated by images of children.
Starting point is 00:39:21 It's not me. You can say lots of things about me and you might. The public may think I'm weird. They may think I'm crazy or anything that anyone wants of things about me and you might the public may think i'm weird they may think i'm crazy or anything that anyone wants to think about me that's all fine as long as one of the things you're not thinking about me is that i'm a pedophile because that's not true okay but he's a sex offender yeah that was a part of a plea deal in order to not go to trial anyways like i like I said. Interesting. Context is key.
Starting point is 00:39:50 Context is key, but him being a sex offender definitely changes my perspective a little bit. Well, your perspective was like really negative before. Yes, yes. You said, how do you recognize this person who's done horrible things on the scale of horrible things? This is bad but not even close to like some of the other
Starting point is 00:40:05 things we see you're correct yeah interesting but i i also like i don't know what the the bar is work no the images i don't want to know age i don't want to know rest in peace rest in peace peewee herman i used to fuck so hard with people i actually but i also feel like since he's passed like not Rest in peace, Pee Wee Herman. I used to fuck so hard with Pee Wee Herman. But I also feel like since he's passed, not a lot of people are talking about all that stuff. No, that's why.
Starting point is 00:40:34 It's so funny because I knew about it, and this morning when we were on the plane, Ben was reading a newspaper weirdly, and he was like, Pee Wee Herman died. I'm like, oh my God, do you live under a rock? And then the article also mentioned his crimes, and Ben was like, wait, I didn't know that why is like nobody talking about that why is everybody praising him and I'm like no it's a good question yeah I'm not sure I don't have all the answers now he's gone so let him rest in peace rest in peace sir or rip peewee rip rip are you ready for our next story is it our next story that's brought to
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Starting point is 00:44:40 went through a breakup so i might get a little emotional i can't blame myself for getting lost in the promise of you and i can't can't blame myself for getting lost in the promise of you and I can't blame you for leaving. Later in the concert she teared up over a fan sign telling her that she was enough. She also detailed her plans to look for a new boyfriend at the Heaven Nightclub. The outlet reported. E! News reported on Monday. I can't blame him for leaving either. If anybody ever screenshotted my fucking personal text messages,
Starting point is 00:45:05 like, you bet your ass I'm never talking to you again. You don't think she broke up with him? She said, I don't blame you for leaving. Well, that was in her lyric. Oh, oh, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:45:14 I thought that was, like, part of her monologue before the song. Oh, no, that was her song, Atmosphere. But, yeah, that is, that is confusing. I feel like she
Starting point is 00:45:23 broke up with him. I don't know who broke up with who. I don't know who broke up with her. He should have broken up with her. But you know what? Like these two are not for each other. A relationship cannot survive that if we don't have a boundary between private and public. Especially when you're a celebrity.
Starting point is 00:45:36 Good day sir. But I was in the car yesterday. The radio was on and like some radio hosts were talking about this story. And I was actually interested to hear what they were going to say. Because I feel like they don't ever like you know say anything they're probably they don't have hot takes they like regurgitate like you shouldn't talk about a woman's body and like of course you shouldn't but did you read the text message because it's much more layered right so I was like I wonder what they're gonna say like are they just gonna be like corny be like
Starting point is 00:45:59 bad key in but what one of the guys said was like, listen, if your wife or your girlfriend ever asks you, have I put on weight or how do I look? You just lie. You just say you look great. You say, no, I don't see a weight gain. And that's like, and the female host was like, yeah, some, she's like, yeah, I love honesty, but sometimes like, what what good is it and I was just like that's bad advice am I crazy I would never ask that question unless I truly wanted could handle the answer so if I'm gonna say that and you're gonna lie to me like I'm gonna be vulnerable and you're lying like no I actually what are women stupid like I don't know i think this guy what this bb rex's boyfriend was an impossible situation either he lies or he says the truth and then he's like you know blasted
Starting point is 00:46:52 for body shaming her in the text we had seen that she had asked him yes yes that's the whole like so honestly i understand why this guy is just like, just say they look good, like whatever. Right. No, then like, no, you need to be honest. Like, only if somebody asks. Don't offer that information up. Of course. No, we're saying if somebody asks or like, you know, you're getting ready for an event. Like, do I look good? You shouldn't say anything other than yes.
Starting point is 00:47:19 Yeah, I'm just at a place in my life now where like, I know if I look good and I know if I look bad. Like, Ben's opinion truly means nothing to me. That's true. Sometimes I get dressed, he's like, I don't think that looks right I'm like oh cool you're wrong like I'm good well I guess like if the question was framed like I've gained weight have you noticed that's just why would anyone ask that question yeah no it's it's never gonna end end well. No, never. So then should you stay away from women who ask that question? Because it's never going to end well? I don't think blanket lying should be your go-to.
Starting point is 00:47:56 Relationships are meant to be places of honesty and vulnerability. No, but some. Right? Yeah, no, I agree. But it doesn't work out. No, I know. Kian got in trouble and it sounded like he he couched his whole sentence with love and you're beautiful to me and even though he was answering honestly like it's not like he said it in a mean way
Starting point is 00:48:17 yeah that like that situation with Bebe kind of backfired I actually was really surprised at how many people on the internet were giving their takes and like we're actually critically thinking and like looking into context clues because i feel like we see that and everyone's just like oh fuck this guy but like if you gave it like five minutes of thought you were able and like you thought about it critically like i i think there was enough context in the text to like make an argument for his side and i was actually really surprised at the amount of people i saw like just giving their opinions on it not just giving that sort of regurgitated like oh man never comment on a woman's body like that's like because that's not what was happening here you shouldn't comment on a woman's body but let's not use that that doesn't apply here yeah but like
Starting point is 00:48:57 if you're asked a question like don't you also have to get an answer it's not it's rude not to right so either you're commenting on a woman's body or you're a liar which are both or you're or you're not answering your question that's rude yeah it's yeah I don't know it's interesting it's a no-win situation so I understand my like you know the guy would just be like I'll just say I'm out I know she wants to hear by the way I did figure that these two were broken up I didn't think that they could make it back after that so this is not news to me I didn't even think about it I was like yeah duh are you ready for our fifth and final story is there a fifth and final story about Taylor Swift no did you see the news that like I don't know uh it came out that since her U.S. tour is about to end this weekend is the last leg in L.A.,
Starting point is 00:49:45 that she gave out $5 million worth of bonuses to everyone who works on the tour. Each truck driver got a bonus of $100,000. I saw the truck drivers, but I didn't see the sum total of $5 million. Yeah, I thought that was pretty sick. Like, my queen continues to slay. Yeah, but they did a great job, and those trucks really trucked. On time every time. Well, hopefully this last one let's not jinx it. But they're already there. It's California to California they'll be fine. Right. Right right right. No that was really cool like
Starting point is 00:50:14 she's a queen. Yeah she is a queen. I'm gonna miss seeing all the clips and stuff even though it's it's petered out and like Haim just isn't doing it for me so it's okay I think the LA clips will be fun to watch I forget who I was just having this conversation with but now we're in our era of Beyonce clips like now my Instagram remember how you were saying you were like I feel like Beyonce's tour isn't like getting as much like hype as Taylor's I'm like just wait till they switch continents because now all of the people that I follow are going to see Beyonce. I'm getting all of these like viral videos from accounts I don't follow. Of Blue Ivy and like and the outfits and everything. And so now we're just swapping.
Starting point is 00:50:53 Yeah me too. Like I 100% you were totally right. But I was just having this conversation with someone. I can't remember who. But like I find it so shocking that like I never really took to him. Because they're three sisters. They're Jewish sisters. They're Jewish sisters. They're Jewesses.
Starting point is 00:51:07 There's so much like about them that I should deeply relate to and just automatically stand for that reason. And the fact that they're Taylor's best friends. Maybe it's deep rooted in jealousy that like it should be me. Taylor's going to have a best friend. That should be me holding your hand. But I never really got on board. I agree. And I feel like I had the potential
Starting point is 00:51:27 to like their music I love that one song the wire so it wasn't a fait accompli yeah but I agree I no thank you no I just it's so bizarre to me. I don't subscribe. I don't, I'm not into any of it. Maybe it's like. But I wish I'm truly the best. They've been such good friends to Taylor. Taylor's been very good to them. I don't know what I'm trying to think. I don't think it's like jealousy.
Starting point is 00:51:59 It might be jealousy for me. It's some sort of like projection. Yeah. It's like you're a bunch of Jewish sisters you're just like not doing what I would do maybe it's like internalized anti-semitism honestly I don't know what the fuck it is like why don't I scan I don't think it is because I don't associate them with Judaism necessarily maybe that's the problem maybe they're not Jewish enough no they're so proudly Jewish I know you don't follow them but they're like
Starting point is 00:52:24 I follow them on TikTok they're oh wait they do No, they're so proudly Jewish. I know you don't follow them, but they're like, I follow them on TikTok. They're always, they do this little Hanukkah series. Like, they're proud Jewesses. Like, everyone knows that they're Jewish. Their original band name was like the Bagel Bitches. No, and also it's like Haim, like L'Chaim. Yeah, right. Like, they're totally proud Jews.
Starting point is 00:52:39 I love that about them. Okay. So, I don't know what it is. I think it's internalized anti-Semitism for real. No, I don't think it is. No, by the way, I don't either what it is I think it's internalized anti-semitism for real I don't think it is no by the way I don't either that was there's something there there's something yeah there's a block we should we should explore that in therapy there's a block yeah okay our fifth and final story I actually think this is going to be an interesting conversation starter because it's layered love is blind alum Nick thompson so he was on season
Starting point is 00:53:05 three he got engaged to danielle remember them she wanted to dance on tables and he like wanted to not um he revealed that he is on the brink of homelessness because nobody will hire him in the wake of the dating show as he's slamming the exploitative netflix for paying him just seven dollars and 14 cents an hour with no residual. So let me take it from the top. Former Love is Blind star Nick Thompson has revealed he's at the risk of losing his home after struggling to find a job in the wake of his 2021 appearance on Love is Blind,
Starting point is 00:53:35 for which he said he was paid just $7.14 an hour when you break it down, because they were working 24 hours. Because he said he was only paid $10,000 for 10 weeks of filming and that there has been zero discussion about residual pay 24 hours. 24. Because he said he was only paid $10,000 for 10 weeks of filming and that there has been zero discussion about residual pay despite the ongoing success of Love is Blind.
Starting point is 00:53:52 You know, this is actually interesting timing with the strike. Yes, it's a strike-related combo, and Bethany Frankel has also been getting in on this combo about reality stars and residuals. So he said, when you think about the amount of money that's being made and the way that it's the path for future seasons and the fact that anyone can go on and watch me
Starting point is 00:54:08 and I'm going to be homeless. I lost my job last November. I'm having an incredibly hard time finding a new one, he said. He said, I burned through my savings that cashed out my 401k. I've got two months left in the bank to pay my mortgage. I can't get a job because people don't take me seriously. I was a VP in software for five years, so it's not like people don't take me seriously i was a vp in software for five years so it's not like i don't have track record or experience or success he also described
Starting point is 00:54:30 feeling like he was being kept prisoner during his time in the social experiment and believes that he and others uh were manipulated by producers and psychologists shedding he shed light on the brutal reality of filming love is blind he alleged that producers are in control of you 24 hours a day quote you are filming 18 to 20 hours a day and that doesn't necessarily mean you're always going to be on tv but you're milked from the moment you get there in the morning and you're milked all the way up until you leave then when you go home at the end of the day you're locked in your hotel room without a key without your wallet without money without id you are literally held captive like a prisoner and there's absolutely no reason that you shouldn't be considered an
Starting point is 00:55:05 employee when you're technically under the control of your employer for 24 hours a day. Since appearing on Love is Blind, he has gone to co-launch the unscripted cast advocacy network, which helps provide mental health and legal support to past, present, and future reality stars. His comments come just weeks after
Starting point is 00:55:22 Bethany Frankel called for a reality TV reckoning amid the ongoing saga, uh, sag, sag. Sag! Sag and WGA strikes. She argued that reality stars should receive residuals for the shows that they appear in and that they should unionize. You know what? I feel like this conversation is actually really interesting and if anything seeing like the the um the negative we know so many reality star success stories but we really don't hear about the ones that don't go as well and it really makes um an argument for a union
Starting point is 00:55:55 for uh reality stars and I had followed this because there's another element to this I had followed he's always coming up on my TikTok making videos about his stuff. And he ended up, I think, having beef with Nick Vile. Yes. Because Nick Vile talked about a lot of the stuff that, what's his name? The other, oh, his also name is Nick, right? Nick, yeah. Nick. Nick Vile talked about a lot of the stuff that Nick was posting on social media
Starting point is 00:56:18 and basically was like, too bad. Okay. I saw like months ago that they had beef about yes something and I think it was about oh I think it was about like maybe mental health yes exploitation of like people's reality tv yeah and producers kind of controlling you and manipulating you and I think Nick was like you know my words not his but like manipulation being manipulated is like a choice like you know you should be mentally strong enough to not you know which is like kind of like a crazy thing to say i wish i could recall better what i saw but i feel like there was also the argument
Starting point is 00:56:54 being made of like if you have these mental health issues you should not go on a reality show by the way and you shouldn't and i think that they a lot of the shows like The Bachelor they do like fake ass psych evaluations for people because they don't they want the crazy no sorry that's the I'm sorry I don't mean crazies I'm sorry that was not that's not what I meant they want the people who can be easily manipulated and can maybe have a breakdown because they think that's entertaining and it makes good tv so those psych evaluations are fake as hell. Like they don't actually, they don't say, oh, this person's not stable. Let's get, they say, oh, this person's not stable. Get them in. Yeah. Yeah. They're, they're actively seeking people who they couldn't manipulate. So when you think about like how reality stars don't have health insurance,
Starting point is 00:57:40 reality stars don't get residuals. Like the amount of people who go back and watch like old episodes of like The Bachelor, like all these things these things they're really it is an argument for a union I actually think it's a good idea yeah I think it's a good argument and I feel like this entire time we've been talking about the strike it's like what about the reality tv piece yeah we've been talking about that and that's kind of just been like the gray area but it's like oh they can still film and they can still promote and everything um but I think for some reality stars they feel exploited yeah and we just are never talking about those people we're always talking about like current reality stars successful reality because they're going to launch their
Starting point is 00:58:17 own business there is a lot to gain from going on reality tv too right like you could argue someone's going back and watching this guy Nick's episode so then they're going to follow him on Instagram which is a form of currency that you can monetize like there is an argument but I don't think it's strong enough like yeah I could see how you know for the girls especially I think it's much easier to have a career afterwards I think I keep bringing up The Bachelor but because it's like it's the show that's produced the most reality stars, in my opinion. And I think a lot of the guys really struggle money-wise afterwards. It's not as easy. Yeah, but also think about like the housewives. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:56 But I feel like. But that's a show of affluent people. That's true, but they're also jeopardizing their standing. Yeah, they are but those are people who like who without the show still have a house. You know what I mean? Not always. And in a lot and this is going to be a very like you know misogynistic thing but in a lot of the housewives it's like more traditional.
Starting point is 00:59:17 The man makes the money. For sure but that shouldn't dictate whether you got paid appropriately compensated. Of course. Of course. Of course. Of of course of course of course of course but also I think housewives are more appropriately compensated first of all I think the starting rate is like a ten thousand dollars a season which is what they were making on love is blind but you don't have to surrender your id and your wallet 24 7 and yeah be in a situation
Starting point is 00:59:40 like that but also with the show like love is blind it's like you don't know who's going to go all the way, quote unquote deserves the biggest paycheck, contributes the most to the storyline, so everybody gets paid the same whether, you know. You're a star or not. But I guess if you don't get engaged and you don't go into the next phase, you probably don't get $10,000 for that.
Starting point is 01:00:06 Right. Like your paycheck I think is directly correlated to the amount of time you spend on the show. And if you don't make it out of the pods with a partner your time is up. Yeah. Maybe it's like $1,000 an episode actually. Or it might be per week. Yeah. Because he said $10,000 for 10 weeks because he made it all the way to the end to the wedding.
Starting point is 01:00:24 But after I think it's four weeks in the pod. Or maybe even two. Yeah. Because he said $10,000 for 10 weeks because he made it all the way to the end to the wedding. But after I think it's four weeks in the pod or maybe even two. Yeah. No there's definitely like a conversation to be had here like with residuals and also like on a 24 hour show like you should be paid better. But you shouldn't also expect to go on one episode one season of reality TV and that that's going to like cover you for the rest of your life you're still gonna need to work so he's still gonna have this issue of like people don't take him seriously and he can't get a job residuals but he'd be getting residuals okay is that enough to live the residuals from love is blind which is how many people on the show how many people are even watching it past that big first boom right and again like we've said like the streamers would
Starting point is 01:01:02 have to release their numbers in order to like um figure out how much to pay people for residuals and the argument has been being made that those numbers aren't what people think they are yeah no I think like if he got residuals it would be helpful but it wouldn't solve his problem no not at all and the expectation that you go on a show and get residuals for the rest of your life that are going to, like, keep your house for 10 episodes of a show? Like, working actors who aren't, like, super famous but have been, you know, working their whole lives, they get residuals. I follow a bunch of people on TikTok who are, like, working actors. And they always are opening up their SAG residuals, like, from the mail on TikTok. It's actually really interesting.
Starting point is 01:01:46 interesting and they have like 20 30 40 50 projects from the last however many years that that keep that's their salary residuals over you know for the rest of their life because it's multiple projects everyone talks about the friends residuals it wasn't just 10 episodes that they did it's well yeah that that's like the one percent in SAG that like is really not applicable here I think it's like 99 percent of SAG members don't reach the minimum salary to get health insurance, which is $26,000 a year. Got it. It might not be 99%, but it's an insane amount. And so that's who this strike is really for.
Starting point is 01:02:15 It's not for Tom Cruise. You know, he's fine. No, no, I didn't think. But the Tom Cruise, not Tom Cruise himself, but people like Tom Cruise are standing in solidarity with the strikers. I actually read that, because because I I saw like a bunch of people like threads and stuff people um calling out certain celebrities who like haven't shown up physically at the picket line
Starting point is 01:02:34 um and then people were just like arguing in the comment section and I was just reading it um I think it was Matt Damon and Ben Affleck have been uh secretly paying the rents of a lot of SAG members you know who are either you know production coordinators cameramen like you know Neiman and Ben Affleck have been secretly paying the rents of a lot of SAG members, you know, who are either, you know, production coordinators, cameramen, like, you know, actual cast and crew, and secretly paying their rents, which I thought was really interesting. That's really nice, but they haven't shown up at the picket line was the point. Right. And then people were arguing like, well, it's a security concern. You can't, Leonardo DiCaprio can't just stand in the street.
Starting point is 01:03:02 Right. And that's why you never know the whole story and context is everything. It's true. But I do think a reality union isn't the worst idea. Yeah. And especially for like even shows like Vanderpump Rules, like people really are always going back and watching those.
Starting point is 01:03:18 And it should be. You should be compensated. Yeah. No. So I hear what he's saying. And that is really sad for him I know but I'm surprised we have like more people haven't come out if you think about how many reality shows like have like a blip of fame everyone's obsessed with it for 35 seconds like
Starting point is 01:03:34 too hot to handle you know um I think a lot of the girls end up becoming like social successful social media creators but I think that's really hard for the guys yeah some of them like do okay I mean especially if you can like go back to your old job and do a little bit of social. It's all good. But I feel bad that he's having such a hard time. Me too. And I think he's got a good he makes a good argument.
Starting point is 01:03:57 Yeah he does. And he's got Bethany on his side and she's a strong force. Yeah no if I want anybody on my side like because I'm in an argument with someone like I want Bethany on my side. Totally. Good stories, Jax. Thanks. Oh, nice long episode today. Sorry it was so delayed, guys. Thank you for your patience.
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