The Toast - LET'S ENJOY IT!!!!: Thursday, March 20th, 2025

Episode Date: March 20, 2025

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It's Jackson Claude and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show. The Fast Five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to the toast and happy Thursday. That just kind of, you know, crept up on us. Smug up on us, yes.

Hey, Jax, how you durn? I am darn good. I'm darn spread thin is how I'm durn. I feel like I just, like, can't catch up with myself. Do you know what I mean? You ever feel just so behind on things? I feel behind on things. No, a really annoying personality trait of mine is like I don't leave stones unturned. Do you know what I mean? Like if something comes in, I'm getting it done that day.

They call me the sweeper, you know? Like it's not a perfect system, but I don't relate to that particular feeling. What are you feeling left behind on? Well, I just feel like ever since this weekend, like I'm just constantly trying to like catch up with work and like just cleaning, putting my clothes away, just like a million things,

then something else comes up and I keep having false starts on all these sourdough loaves. Like I don't even have the time to do my sourdough. That's how you know. That's how you know. That I don't have two hours in my house where I'm not sleeping, where I can preheat the oven and bake the bread.

I have not made a loaf. I'm attempting to make one today, but like that's the real marker. Are you trying to make a loaf because you have company? Yes, because I have company. Shannon's coming. I have to have a fresh loaf for her. Like that's disgusting if I don't.

You better get to work. We're sad and staying upstairs or downstairs. Right now my loaf is, I'm gonna say it. My loaf is retarding in the fridge. I can't believe you just said that. That's literally what it's doing, that's a technical word. I know, I... Are you gonna be okay?

If your loaf is retarding, your loaf is retarding. Who are we to deny that? My loaf's experience. Right, your loaf's lived experience. My loaf is retarding in the fridge. When I'm done here. Okay, we know. When I'm done here, I will preheat my oven

and I will have it ready for Shannon. And what does that mean, cooling down? Yeah, so like basically the bread keeps proofing and you want it to proof like 10, 12 hours, but then you want it to stop proofing immediately, immediately, so you want to to proof like 10, 12 hours, but then you want it to stop proofing immediately, immediately. So you want to slow down slash retard the process. It's like a flame retardant, right? Like that puts out a flame. It immediately stops the. Yeah. So we are stopping the proofing when it gets cold, then it no longer shall proof and it won't get over proofed and then it can be ready for baking.

Wow, okay. Like not the faking community with the slurs. You wouldn't expect it from them. That's the thing about language, you know? Yeah, that is the thing about language. Like things meet, like not everything has changed that has kept up with the times. No, and also like that's how like in the UK, if you're talking about a cigarette,

some people reference it as a F slur. What's, wait, what's which word? Cigarette. Okay. What do they call it? An F slur. Fuck? Yeah, Jackie, I'm not gonna say fuck.

You know which word I'm talking about. No, I don't know. For the queer community. No, I don't know. For the queer community. No, I don't know. And so when people say it, it's a little bit old school, but still like it's a perfectly, I think, acceptable way to reference a cigarette in London. Well, you know what?

I'll have to ask James. Yes, you will. My British- And mate, you gotta- My British correspondent. Yeah. British camper. Well, thank you for telling us about the- Retardation in my fridge. Stop!

Stop it! I get a free pass, sorry. No, it's not even a free pass. Like you're talking about bread. I'm talking, like I'm literally stating facts. I'm sorry. Jackie, the thing is, you've done nothing wrong. Can we please change the subject?

We can. The good news is. We have a business to run. All of that is happening because Shannon is coming and I'm so excited to see my girl. She's performing tonight at the Dania Beach Improv. I'm gonna go catch a show, like sophisticated lady that I am.

And I'm very excited for our evening and our slumber party. No, that's really fun. Which room is she staying in upstairs or downstairs? She's staying upstairs. Last time she stayed upstairs too, and that was before it was pargy. Just a little bit of separation because the guest room downstairs while pargy,

you're very much in my family. You're one of my children. Yeah, which is why I like it. I'll come give you a bottle in the night. Literally, she might accidentally come in and breastfeed you. Yeah, exactly. So upstairs is nice.

I kind of did something crazy last night. Oh, what you did? I had a piece of cake from Chipriani, which these days is like not that crazy because I'm doing it all the time. So you had your dinner. Yeah, I also had like a full meal before that, but like I went to that specific restaurant

because the cake. Did you have Chipriani meal? Yeah. Okay, good, What'd you have? A pasta. Pomodoro? A la vodka. A la vodka.

Yeah, so I was just like really embracing the belly. You know, like I was like, this is what pregnant women do. Baby wanted penne a la vodka. That's like my new favorite thing to say. Baby needs a bed. Like, just to sort of not take responsibility for any of my actions, and like, baby's in a bad mood, get the fuck out of here, like, you know, I'm just constantly

kind of blaming baby for things. I think that's great. Baby has been in like kind of a rough mood these last couple of days, but we feel like baby's coming out of it. What's he feeling like? Just like irritated, annoyed, uncomfortable. Oh, oh. Yeah.

Oh, okay, sorry baby. Yeah, no, it's baby, it's not me. Also those farts that I was making, it's baby, it's not me. Well that's true. I actually refuse to take responsibility for the farts that I've been making. No, because it's like, you've been you your whole life and you never made those farts.

What's the difference now, baby? Correct, what is like the sort of unknown factor here? Baby. The baby. I refuse, that's why I like fart out loud. It wasn't me. It wasn't me. I understand. Like I just, I feel like I'm at an age

and a level of maturity where I can take responsibility for my own actions. My parts are not mine, my body's not my own. I understand. You know what I was thinking about the other day because I was like thinking about your pregnancy and like just how pregnancy is so, so hard. Like seriously, could you imagine?

I think about that all the time. Right, could you imagine being a surrogate? Like just doing the pregnancy and not even getting like the bundle of joy? How much would someone have to pay you? Seriously. Well, so the thing is about surrogates, like what they say is that they're very special people and they do it because they feel sort of called

to help others. And so while I could never ever be that selfless to a stranger, let's say in a random world, like I'm done having kids and I still have like a functional uterus and you need a surrogate. Like, yeah, I would do it for you. You really would?

Yeah, I would, I would. I would do it for any of my sisters. And that's literally it. That's really big of you. You wouldn't do it for me? I mean, I'd like to say that I would. Let's say circumstances like art, like you're done having children.

Yeah. You got everything you wanted. Like in the middle of my child rearing journey, no, I'm not taking a break for you. But like, let's say I happen to be like a 37 year old with a popping, you know, pussy, for lack of a better word. Yeah, I would do it for you.

That's really sweet. I guess actually I would need a couple more details. I just don't think that you would. Do you not have any children like in this hypothetical scenario? If you didn't have any children, if you wanted like a fourth, sorry, you're gonna have to live with your three.

But if you didn't have any and it was your one opportunity, yeah, I would do it. Okay, that's really sweet of you. And I'm not hearing any reciprocation. Well, you know, I'm high risk, so I don't know that I could just be- Oh, she's hiding behind the high risk.

Doing bonuses. She's hiding behind the high risk. Doing bonuses. She's hiding behind the high risk. Okay, Julie noted. Yeah, I've got stuff, so. No, but being a surrogate, I've never met a person, like a friend or anything who does surrogacy, so I just imagine

that they're wonderful people who are extremely different than me. I can't even imagine. That's a good way of thinking about it. Now, I know there's also a financial component, and so I'm trying to think of what enough money for me would be to do it, and I don't know. And this is the tough thing about pregnancy.

You don't wanna complain. You're so grateful, and you are. But it's actually the definition of holding space for two truths. Like two things can be true at once. Like this is genuinely like such a miserable experience, but I am so eternally grateful and blessed for this miracle happening and I'm so joyful about it.

You know? And I feel like you can't say one without the other. You know, you don't wanna glorify it. It's a miracle. But you also, you don't wanna only be like negative queen. So you're actually, that's the only time it's really acceptable to hold space for two truths in a serious, not ironic way. Okay. I support that.

I support that. Well, thanks. Good to know that you would do it for me. Yeah. Any of my sisters. That's so beautiful, Claudia. Except now like that you and Olivia like have kids. I don't really feel like- You don't feel like we deserve it. Not that you deserve it have kids, I don't really feel like- You don't feel like we deserve it.

Not that you deserve it, but I don't think that I would be willing to do it. You've experienced the joys of motherhood. You're set. But let's say, God forbid, God forbid, a million times, let's just say, Margo needed a surrogate and she had never had kids yet. Yeah, I would do it for her.

Yeah, I guess we all would. She just better start responding to my texts more. That's all I ask in return. Yeah, she better take me for her. Yeah, I guess we all would. She just better start like, you know, responding to my texts more. You know, that's all I ask in return. Yeah, she better take me to Tortuga. Correct. Then we can talk. Did you watch Summer House? I did watch Summer House. I'm excited to talk about her.

Actually, our fifth and final story will lead into Summer House because there's a lot to talk about. Great, yes, I also watched Watch Rapins Live and I saw a bunch of clips from the after show, which is like making rounds and I'll tell you about it. Okay, what was Andy's mood last night? Like run for cover?

Oh, no, obviously somebody gave him like a slap on the wrist. He was joyful beyond like pretending so hard to care about whatever Sierra and Amanda were saying. And like, not that you have to pretend, but it wasn't like a crazy episode or anything. He was just like, and how does that feel? No, and they're not like the most like tea spilling like. No, especially of that cast.

Yeah, they're pretty cool and collected. And he was like, he opened the show, he's like, I'm having a drink tonight, it's been a long day. Claudia, do you think our words reached him? No, but I think that like production is like, I think his producers and his team are like aware of what gets said or even just like they watched and were like,

Andy, maybe you should be like a little more welcoming to the clubhouse tomorrow night. I don't think they necessarily heard us, but I can't imagine, cause you sent me a clip where Andy was so clearly hating Leslie Bibb and Garcelle. Yeah, but the thing is I sent you the clip. The clip was, they just were, it was a funny moment between Leslie Bibb and Garile arguing about set an injury.

And that's what the person who posted it wanted to highlight. And I was like, Claudia, watch this clip because you will see Andy being a curmudgeon. Curmudgeon. So I don't know if it was like, I don't think it was our direct words, but I think that sentiment was pretty obvious.

Like when I watched that clip, he would want it to be anywhere else but that chair. Yeah. And that's just one clip that wasn't even meaning to highlight that. Right, so he was in fabulous mood. I think our words reached someone. He was in a great mood.

Sure he was, sure. Two things. Now is it a story about the handwritten note Meghan Markle sent to you? Yes it is, it is. Okay, because I like kind of need to talk about it. I was like ready to not make it a story because I'm very sensitive now

that I don't wanna overdo it. However, like it's Thursday, which has historically been the worst day for stories. Not today though, I actually like our stories. And it's really so crazy. And we need to talk about it. No, and I actually have a lot of follow-up questions about the whole saga.

So I'm really glad we are talking about it. Yeah, so I guess like instead of talking about what we're gonna talk about, we could talk about the things saga. So I'm really glad we are talking about it. Yeah, so I guess like instead of talking about what we're gonna talk about, we could talk about the things that we say that we're gonna talk about in the Fast Five stories that you need to know. And the Fast Five stories that you need to know are brought to you by Skims.

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Harch. Like I'm wearing Ben's double extra large sweater today. That's sort of where I'm at. And I'm actually really excited. I think we both had the same memo today, just like cozy vibes. And do you know how hard it was to not wear some of the new merch?

Jackie and I, not to be like annoying, we have new merch coming out. I think we'll tell you all about it. Like a week or a half. No, like two weeks. So it's like a little early to start promoting it, but let me tell you, it's like the only thing that fits me right now, it's the only things that I not, no, like two weeks. So it's like a little early to start promoting it. But let me tell you, it's like the only thing that fits me right now.

It's the only things that I want to wear. Cause I like sized up when I ordered the samples and the pile of clothes just stares at me every day. I always have that experience every time we get new merch. And that's why I was like, I'm good. I had this feeling last time. Let me go wear my old merch that I was desperate to wear. And to be honest, it solved the problem.

No, but the new stuff is like really pleated and pastel. Like that's just what I wanted to wear. But I just wanna say like shout out to this. It's gonna look so good in our new studio. I just wanna say shout out to this set. I love this set. That set that we dropped is so amazing, but let me tell you when we dropped it,

I've never been more thin in my whole life. I have the whole set in a size medium. Oh. Am I okay? I think I was PP, so this is a large size. Yeah. I didn't realize, you know, I got really confident. this is a large size. Yeah. I didn't realize, you know, I got really confident. When you become a size medium,

after never having been even close your whole life, you kind of become obsessed with the fact that you're a size medium, because you want to know what medium says. It says I'm regular. I'm average, you know, I'm not skinny, I'm not fat, I'm just medium, you know? Just like everyone else.

There's nothing embarrassing, there's no like subtext of a size medium. Do you know what I mean? You're not too small, it's Goldilocks. And when you become a size medium, which is really what I was before, I was epic, like I would say I cheated between like a size four and a six, six.

Five. You kind of become like obsessed with it, you know? And so I really kind of went overboard, everything in my closet is a size medium. And let me tell you, I'm not a medium sized girl anymore. And I kind of like was barely a medium when I was a medium, you know? I probably should have sized up to a large,

but I'm so obsessed with the connotations of the sizing. And I haven't opened my closet in weeks. I just have a pile of sweatshirts that I pull from every day and my different maternity pants from Amazon, from Skims. I mean, listen, it's hard. Make it easier. That's all that needs to be said. It's hard.

It is. It's really hard. Well, here's our first story. Actually, someone who recently experienced no longer being a medium, Sia files for divorce from her husband, Dan Bernard, after two years of marriage, while also revealing that they had a child together

11 months ago, and she wasn't a medium. Sia has filed. Oh, okay, I was like, I'm not understanding the medium connection. Well, because she had a baby, so when she was pregnant, she wasn't a medium. There you go. Got it, okay, so you're calling a pregnant woman fat,

got it. I'm calling a pregnant woman pregnant. How does that work for you? She wants to cancel me so bad today and I won't let it. Yeah I do. I'm gonna catch you. Yeah. Just like I should. I'll get you good. Sia has filed for divorce from her husband of two years Dan Bernard. The petition obtained by page six also revealed the estranged couple welcomed a baby named Somersault Wonder.

The Australian pop star who legally married Dan in December, 2022 cited irreconcilable differences as the reason for the split and listed the date of separation as March 18th, 2025. Okay, so yesterday, cool. They were last seen out, it's usually like months ago. Yeah, right. So this isn't just getting started. They were last seen out together it's usually like months ago. Yeah, right. So this is just getting started.

They were last seen out together in February of this month. Oh, so that's like something happened. Meanwhile, Somersault was born on March 27th, 2024, meaning the child is about to be one. Now, let me tell you something very interesting about this whole saga. I really like Sia. She's like one of my favorite singers.

I think she's enormously talented. I love her connection to the Kardashians. Their I really like Sia. She's like one of my favorite singers. I think she's enormously talented. I love her connection to the Kardashians. Their friendship is like really sweet. She's a part of so much like pop culture lore, her singing at Kathy Griffin's dining room table. Having said that, her personal life is so uninteresting to me. Like, I don't know why she's just like in this tier

of celebrity who I really care about and like, exclusively in a professional sense. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, but she's also like made it so that we, she doesn't have a titillating person life. She doesn't share a lot like, which condition to not really care or ask questions. I just, I actually also have felt like at times where

she could literally be a whole nother person. She could like, you know, go to school with you and you wouldn't even know because she's Sia and then she's regular. So. We might know because we're like sick in the head, but the average American. Yeah, like you might not even realize

that you're next to Sia at drop off. Right. Which is really nice for her. But then. Yes, and somersault. Yeah, now like we're conditioned to just think she's regular. And uninteresting.

If you could, when we're done with the show, go ask your kids if they like the name Bowie or the name somersault better. Cause it's really starting to grow on me as well. Somersault is? Yeah, it's beautiful. It's like a crazy celebrity name, sure. And what would you expect from Sia?

I know, but they're gonna call her Summer, which is not a crazy name. Yeah, it's not the craziest I'll say. And what would you expect from Sia? I know, but they're gonna call her Summer, which is not a crazy name. Yeah, it's not the craziest, I'll say. Let me ask you a question. Is it Summer, first name, middle name Salt? Or first name Summer Salt? First name Summer Salt, like gymnastics. It's not even spelled like Summer, like the season.

Right, so I guess it is technically like naming your kid Cartwheel. Yeah. Except that the first half of Summer Salt is actually a pretty name, Sheena Marie Shea, Summer. Summer Moon and Summer Salt. Beautiful, you have twins. I like that.

Moon and Salt. If I have twins, I'll probably name them Harry and Larry. Oh, that's good. Are you okay? I just like spilled coffee, which is so weird. I drink coffee every day on the show. There's something really embarrassing, and I'm not saying you should be embarrassed,

but I have felt this way, where you're just trying to drink a normal beverage, and I don't know, something with your lip, and it all comes dribbling down your chin, neck, and onto your shirt. I don't know what it is about that experience that's so humiliating. I don't know, I just feel like I'm malfunctioning.

Yeah, no, you feel like- I know how to drink coffee. I use the same mug every day. Nothing about that was new. It's a very common basic human experience. Like we teach our kids to do it when they're just, you know, two years old. Sort of, like they have a sippy cup, but yeah.

Right, but like it's something we learned from a very young age. Yeah, so. It's kind of like, I think a kin, not as bad to like tripping or falling in public, you know? I don't feel that way. I just feel very inconvenienced. Yeah.

When you like stain your shirt. I like, maybe there's a chip in your mug. No, there's not. I don't know. Maybe it's Bruno. Oh, Bruno's here, you guys. If you're listening as a podcast, you're missing out. I'm sure they can hear him snoring. Brewery. The sweet sounds. What's Bruno's here, you guys. If you're listening as a podcast, you're missing out. I'm sure they can hear him, sorry.

Birdie. The sweet sounds. What's Bruno's middle name? Brunus. Bruno Moon. Bruno Sweets. Bruno Sweets. Bruno Sweets wine rib.

I like that. I like that wine rib. Of course. B-Sow. B-Sow, I like that. So for Sia, this isn't a celebrity, I think needs to be added to our list. Again, her personal inter-live, like, it doesn't interest me.

Yeah, I didn't even realize she was like in a marriage. Me neither. I know that she like has children. I think she's also adopted. Oh yeah. Some children. Yeah. So, I, yeah, I feel like, you know,

she's not conventional in terms of like, I don't now need to see her like marry someone else. Like I feel like she's whole, you know? You can't put Sienna in a box. No, you cannot. Her hair wouldn't fit. You cannot. You cannot.

Are you ready for our next story? As previously discussed, Meghan Markle is clapping back at a scared podcaster with a cheeky handwritten note So okay, so was it a clap back? Hoagers I don't know what it was. So Amanda Hershey not skinny, but not that had posted on her Instagram the trailer of with love Megan When it came out like a couple of weeks ago, and she said I'm scared for Megan which that was like that was her caption Yeah, and she has since like explained

what she was scared about, but that's all she said. And it could be interpreted so many ways. Really? Cause I feel like to be clear, the way Amanda has recently explained the caption is how I understood it initially. Like, yeah. And by the way, Amanda was right.

Like look what happened to after the show. Everybody's accusing her of like stealing from pictures. She was scared for Megan for what the response would be from this show. Right, I don't know how else you could have interpreted that. I thought that was very clear. I don't know, maybe someone's forcing her to do this, I'm scared for her. I don't know.

No, I think if you're a reasonable, critical thinker, you understood it the way it was meant to be understood. I just wanna say, I think it's a little vague, which is why it's even more surprising that Meghan responded to it, because like, how did she know what she was responding to? In no way did I think it was shady. No, but it wasn't like heaping praise.

You wouldn't be scared for someone if they were doing something amazing. You wouldn't be scared of their responses. No, but I think it's like, I think it had nothing to do with what Meghan was doing. It's just like the Meghan of it all. Like on it, like, and her premonition came true. Like that's what's, I thought it was kind of on the money.

Like I don't understand. Like it was a premonition like based on what she was seeing. Like it's not like everything else that Meghan has done before this, no one has been really like, like when the Oprah trailer, you wouldn't post like, I'm scared. If you said I'm scared for Meghan, you wouldn't be about the reception and be like,

oh, you're a royal family. Yeah, but the culture has shifted. The culture has shifted. Right. So anyways, she wrote a handwritten letter to Amanda that Amanda shared on her Instagram saying, dear Amanda, I heard you were feeling scared. Don't be.

This is the fun part. Let's enjoy it. Okay. And so I'm also confused. Yeah, yeah. I'm also confused about what Megan's letter says. Like, did she take Amanda's caption as like shade and this is her like kind of giving the knife back

a little bit? She took Amanda's caption as shade. Like this is her like clapping back. I do think so. This is not friendly. Entire, this is not. I'm shocked. I didn think so. This is not friendly. This is not- I'm shocked. I didn't think Amanda's thing was rude.

This is not entirely friendly. And of everything that everyone says about Megan in even plainer text, that she would respond to this vague take, not even a take, just a comment, like a nothing, that she would sit down, get out her pen and her monogram stationary, and what,

send a letter back, get Amanda's address, and send her a letter, is such a weird look for Meghan. I actually agree. I also could see, so the way you're sort of narrating it, as like this was a shady comment, and then the letter was a clap back. I could see that being the reality. But I also could see the reality of like,

Amanda's comment was completely harmless. Like I did not think it was shady. Almost like kind of defensive of Megan. You know, like I'm scared for Megan, what people are gonna do to her. And then Megan's response is like, her way of being like fun and lighthearted, like, oh, who cares what everyone says about me?

Like, I actually do not, I know all of this happened in English. I understand that this is my native tongue. I have no idea what's going on. Claudia, this is the fun part. Let's enjoy it. That's a threat. Oh, do you think so?

This is a threatening letter from an enemy. Oh my God, it might as well been written in blood. It might as well have been like, this is a threat. And it's just so crazy that like, this is the only letter we've seen of this sort of thing of her like responding to internet takes fodder, which is- This is the only response we've ever really seen from her.

She doesn't clap back at like media or shady headlines or shady bloggers. Like this is the first time she's literally ever seemingly like defending herself. And like this is something that she could have, if she like posted- Commented. Commented on what Amanda wrote and like said this,

like, okay, okay, we've got a match, but to write the letter. Do you think when Amanda got the letter, she had no idea what the fuck Meghan was referencing? Yeah, because it was such a blip on the screen. It's not like it's her Instagram bio, like, hi, I'm Amanda and I'm scared for Meghan. And I'm scared for Meghan.

Yeah, like when your content creator, Amanda like posts a lot, does a podcast, she probably was like, wait, what is this in reference to? And then Amanda, as she's like talking about it, she said, beyond shook, beyond spiraling. Did I smell the paper? Yes. Do I want my own monogram? Yes. Am I absolutely flabbergasted and obsessed?

Fuck yes. At Megan, you have a fan for life. So I'm sure Amanda's shitting her pants, being like, oh my God, she thinks I'm a hater. I honestly do not think Amanda's initial post had any hater energy about it. But of course, now that we've seen the, the picture of the letter, like the letter has become the story and everybody's like reading it.

And I feel like when we were talking about with Love, Megan, one of the things we talked about was her handwriting and how, like, was it a stunt double? And it turns out that no, Megan actually has a huge background in calligraphy. Like before her whole famous princess life, she just like took up calligraphy as a hobby, which would have been a great thing to highlight

in your show about like arts and crafts, first of all. So to see the calligraphy in action was very interesting. And then of course everybody's zooming in on the stationary, the letterhead, the date, like everything. I just feel like if she wanted to like send a letter to Amanda to sort of like kill her with kindness, right? Cause that's, that is a way of, you know, shutting someone up, like to be the bigger,

like to send a letter and then they know that you've seen what you, what they said and like, all of a sudden your tail between your legs. I feel like there's so many different things she could have said to accomplish that. And this is a very threatening letter. And the fact that Amanda is like, you know, totally disarmed and it's like, love you forever.

She's scared for her life. She's scared for her life. I need people to sound off in the comments because I'm just like, I am not thoroughly convinced that Amanda's initial post was shady or that the letter was shady. Like I, I am not sure how to receive this. And maybe you're right.

I'm just, I haven't even read what other people have said. So I mean, let's game other people have said. So I. Me neither. Let's game it out where it's not shady. Let's talk it through. Right, okay, so Amanda posts this thing, like I'm scared for Megan, you know? Like people are gonna tear her up. Everything she does gets like eaten alive, yada yada.

And like it's all, it's all like in jest, but also at its core, like protecting and fearful for Megan. Yeah. That's not a bad thing to be fearful. Megan sees that and she kind of wants to rise above, like, yeah, I know what everybody says about me, but we're having fun. Like here, here's a letter. I actually don't know.

I can't even begin to understand that, because this is so crazy. I just feel like if you're gonna support someone, like yes, amongst other things, you could worry how it will be received for them. Yes, it's definitely something people care, when people care about you, that's something they do. But that's not the first and only thing you say.

This looks amazing. Megan stepping into her truth. I worry about, there's, you know, there are so many other things. So her comment was shady. You really think so? It wasn't, it wasn't fully complimentary. Now I'm sure if we were to ask Amanda,

she would say, especially now, like that It wasn't really a compliment after me. Now I'm sure if we were to ask Amanda, she would say, especially now, that it wasn't shady. I would say she barely thought about it. Yeah, right, right. And also, here's the thing, and this is kind of my worst nightmare, because every time I post something on social media, on any platform, I'm like, what should I caption it? Nobody fucking cares.

These days, especially with Reels and TikTok, nobody's reading your caption. So the fact that like a caption made news and you know, she just like, she just wanted to post the trailer and get it up quickly. Cause like in this line of work, you gotta be first. She just threw some shit up on the caption and the caption is like what made Megan write a letter.

Yeah, no, I totally agree with that. I don't even think she gave it a second thought. I think if you asked her what she meant by it. Captions are meaningless. She might not even be able to tell us. Captions are so meaningless. They're full of fake words. I actually, the other day, put something up

and wrote a caption. I'm like, I feel like I've written this caption before. And I actually scrolled on my own Instagram. I was like, I don't even remember. It was like for real. And I had written word for word, emoji for emoji, the same exact caption. Because captions are just like bookends,

like they're stupid. It's an afterthought. Yeah, so the fact that like she probably threw some shit up on the caption, like really, I think we're definitely overthinking it because captions, creators don't think about captions. Nobody reads them. Right, so the fact that Meghan read it,

internalized it, wrote a letter, this is weeks later too, because she had shared the trailer, that was what she wrote. I'm telling you, it took Amanda definitely two hours to put together the map of what Meghan is talking about. Yeah, I was feeling scared, about what? Yeah, like what's wrong, Meghan? Don't be, this is the fun part, let's enjoy it.

Cause that's saying like, if you don't enjoy it, you won't have fun. No, no, here's what she's saying, let's enjoy it. Cause that's saying like, if you don't enjoy it, you won't have fun. No, no, here's what she's saying. Let's enjoy it with a gun to her head. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess we'll mind what we say. I just feel like Amanda probably has the biggest pit ever.

And I want to say like, you did nothing wrong. I feel like she had the biggest pit when she got the letter because that's the worst when you say something about someone, even not even like a negative thing, just to say anything and it reaches them. Like seriously, I hate that. Of course, no, in this line of work, you're kind of used to like talking about people at a much higher level than you like celebrities

and it's not meant for them to hear, it's for the lay people, it's for everyone else. Yeah, so then the idea of them hearing it. When they enter our arena, it's a get out of here. No, this isn't like it's about you, but it's not for you. It reminds me when Justin Bieber came from Morgan Stewart for something she said on like Fashion Police or something. Or Nightly Pop, excuse me.

And he like took the clip, put it on Twitter. He like came for her really fucking hard. It's like, well, it's not for you, Nightly Pop. It's not for you, Justin. Like, I don't like when celebrities enter like commoner spaces. Yeah, it's really true. So I think when she got the letter, she probably had a pit,

but I think now she's like, it's become like such a- Story, and it's like honestly great for Amanda is like PR, like in this job, you know, when people are talking about you and your podcast and your Instagram, it's all good. And I think it's like, it's a good look for Amanda and it's not a great look for Megan, net net. I completely agree.

Wren, wren, wren, wren, wren. Yeah, it's red rum. Let's enjoy it, Claudia. You better fucking enjoy it. It's like, here's Johnny. Let's enjoy it. Maybe we'll get a letter. I don't think she takes time to listen to podcasts. No, it's true Like this was a we clipped something we said about her like then maybe she would see it because I think she's on Instagram

But she's not listening to this long this no loffy Here's Megan Okay, no, to be so crazy. Sending like thoughts, prayers, and all my love to Amanda. Like I actually, it's my worst nightmare. It really is a nightmare. Awaking nightmare. And the thing is, is we say such crazy things

about people, like of all the things that somebody could respond to. What Amanda said, like what, we don't even know if it was shady. It's always that, it's always that by the way. It's always like the random thing that you said. Yeah, because like if somebody can't respond to a fire point.

You can't like worry about it. You know? I don't even wanna know if somebody heard what I said. If they wanna say something, I actually don't wanna know. No, I mean, I just was telling you, I sent you that thing. I like somebody we talked about. Oh, right, right.

And you know what? I don't even care. Great, you listened to it and you didn't like it and you unfollowed us. Great. And you unfollowed us. Like somebody we talked about. Oh, right, right. And you know what? I don't even care. Great, you listened to it and you didn't like it and you didn't follow us. Great. And you didn't follow us. Like, great. We're like.

Once we start censoring ourselves. We have a job to do. We have lost it all. And like, I'm never gonna meet these people. I don't care. No, that's also what's such a fabulous part of not being a guest-based show. Yeah.

Is that we could talk about people and never worry. Cause one of my nightmares is, I think I told you this when it happened, I think I said it on the podcast, is when the chicks in the office had Katy Perry, they had, this is so funny, they had Katy Perry on their show, and the Katy fans went back and found shit they had said,

because they've re-kept pop culture. And when Katy had that nun murdered for her house, or whatever, remember she was in that lawsuit, the nun died, it was like this whole real estate thing, and they were just like making funny jokes about it, and never thinking like of course back then that Katy Perry would be on their show, meanwhile cut too, that is my worst nightmare and that's how we run people on the show, so we can continue to speak freely. It's true, it's true. Are you ready for our next story?

It's true. Are you ready for our next story? Three three yeah, I'm ready Colleen Hoover put out a weird-ass Instagram video saying she's broke a shit after a merch sale amid the it ends with us drama And not only was there okay. I watched the whole Instagram story sad. I could tell you all about it great Please do I'll just share the need to know details. Colleen Hoover is spilling the Diet Pepsi tea. Right, right. The author revealed that all of her merch on her website has been marked down to $10 an item amid the ongoing It Ends With Us drama,

which was going to leave her quote broke as shit. She said that's like- That's not what she said. Okay, like this is so misleading. So she put up five Instagram stories and they were so weird that it really caught people's attention. And then the thing at the end about the sale.

So the first three stories were her, first of all, moving so slowly. I don't know if she- I had to turn it off. Yeah, I don't know if, I've never seen her Instagram stories before. So I don't know if this is her usual way of talking and moving on camera.

If so, it's fucking insufferable. If not, she looked drunk being dead serious, but I don't think that she was. I think that's just like how she talks on social media. And look at me, I talk so, like I just couldn't keep up with it. She basically was showing us, she made ice cubes out of Diet Pepsi.

She's like a big soda gal. And of course, you know, watery soda when your ice in your Stanley melts. Like, so she made, and she's a Pepsi, not a Coke girl. She made cubes out of Pepsi and was gonna share it with us. And then she did this whole boring thing about putting the ice in the cup and the diet peps. Taste testing, all to be like, well, it's good.

It's good. It tastes like every other Pepsi I had. We won't know if it worked for a few hours. I'm like, oh, riveting. Like, it was just so boring. Then that was three frames. The last two frames were sharing that her merch has been put on sale.

And it was like, people are taking it out of context because it would be like if you and I had a big sale, I'd be like, don't, like Jackie put all the merch on sale. Don't tell anyone. It's like a marketing technique, do you know what I mean? So she's like, my boss just called me and was like, we put all the merch on sale for $10. Like, I'm gonna go broke with how cheap it is.

It's like a marketing ploy. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, she said that's like five times cheaper than what I pay for each item, which means by the end of the day today, I'm going to be broke as shit. Cause I was about to be like, girl, merch is not your business.

Merch is also not your problem. No, like you have the biggest books of all time. People are taking it like far too literally. Oh wow, so this is really some muckraking over here. Yes, it's kind of like when we say, you know, the warehouse is so sick. Oh yeah. The warehouse has a cough because our merch is so sick. You say like you say dumb shit. They were like pandemic breaks out at Toast merch warehouse. Because all the items are so sick. Everyone in quarantine. Yeah, and like it's a marketing ploy,

it's a tactic and she's not broke. I just feel like the way that she's talking, it's just like not clear that she's joshing you. No, especially because the pace and the cadence of her voice was insufferable. I don't know if I've ever watched an Instagram story of hers, this might've been my first time. And I'll just say like, this is why you should not seek out or follow your favorite

authors on Instagram. It's never going to be what you want it to be and it might ruin your favorite books. 1000% when I first got into reading you were the one who told me like never look up the authors like on Goodreads and you were so, especially because if you're writing like sexy books, then you're like thinking about the author writing it and she's like someone's mom. It's just like, it's too much information. So much so that when I first started reading before I got a Kindle,

I would like flip really fast past the front cover. So I didn't even catch a picture because you know, they have a little author picture on the front flap. You're so right. We need to know less about authors. Bring back pen names. Yes.

What's the one Daniel Handler? Who's that? Lemony Snicket. Well, that was his pen name, Lemony Snicket. Got it. Yeah. Bring back pen names. Yeah.

Especially for smutty novels. Yeah. Yeah. So, so Colleen's not going broke from the lawsuit that she's not involved in. Okay, good to know. And if you are going to like research an author, obviously do it when you're done with the book,

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Thank you. You're welcome. Our next story, some intergalactic news that we actually haven't shared an update on since the news updated that I actually, bit that I thought you would find was funny, but the astronauts are home. The astronauts.

I know there's like a bunch of astronauts that were stuck up there. There's two that were stuck, because the reunion video, I think that was where like part of astronauts that were stuck up there. There's two that were stuck, because the reunion video, I think that was where like part of the rescue from the other rockets. Because like to me, the face of this whole saga was that woman.

Yeah, yeah. And it's funny when she comes down to earth, like she looks different because her hair, like because of gravity. Is settled. Yeah. But also I saw a picture, a video of her, like she hasn't walked for 10 months.

So she couldn't even get up. No, I know I saw like people were saying how in the past when people come back from space like they can't, they don't know how to walk. They drop everything. Cause they're just used to like, they forget about gravity. Yeah. So, and they faint a lot.

So it's actually gonna be like, like, you know, kind of a long journey for them to adjust back to earth. But here's the jaw dropping amount that the NASA astronauts, but Wilmore and Suni Williams are likely to be paid after an eight-day mission that turned into nine months. Right, do you sue?

Or like, don't you get paid handsomely? Right, are you getting paid per hour? Because at that point, what was eight days is now 800. How many days is 10 months? 300. 365 minus 60. 300. 300. Yeah. So.

So it's literally like 30 times what you were supposed to do. Yeah. So NASA is now expected to compensate the astronauts for their extended stay in space, though an exact figure has not been released. However, a former NASA astronaut, Katie Coleman, said that astronauts only receive their basic salary without overtime benefits for incidentals. A small amount, they are legally obligated to pay you.

She said for me, it was around $4 a day. She received approximately 636 in incidental pay for her 150 day mission between 2010 and 2011. $600? $600. For these people, they're estimating they would get about like 90K all in. It's not enough.

It's not enough. Well, are they gonna sue? Like, are they mad? I don't know, I wasn't getting like mad vibes, but they should be big mad. Well, the thing is, if I'm up there and the only people who can like get me back, like I'm not gonna start like, you know,

doing televised interviews. No, I'm gonna be like, they're doing their best. Yeah. And then I get back down on earth and it's scorched earth for these bitches. So maybe now they'll get mad, but you're right. Every time I saw an interview, they were like, we're having fun.

Look, my pee floats. Like, I think they also lost their minds. Oh, 1000%. And NASA needs to cover all like mental health expenses. They need severe therapy. And you know they fucking hate each other these two. Like they were supposed to be stuck in this thing for eight days and they're in this tiny little thing

where they sleep on a mat for 10 months. No, this is hell. But you don't think it's also maybe like an astronaut's dream like that you get stuck in space. And I feel like they always, they did always know that they could come back because SpaceX could always get them because SpaceX like runs trips to the space station all the time. It was just a matter of like NASA.

Politics, yeah, politics, like because this is a NASA mission. And, you know, then they had to go and ask you to pick them. Right. I. If I mean, I don't know if this is something you just come to it, I want to pick them up. Right. I don't know if this is something you just come to, expect it's part of the lived astronaut experience, like that this might happen. It does seem really out of the ordinary and really crazy and like, okay, maybe they thought eight days, but we ended up spending two weeks, like 10 months.

I'm sorry, it's unacceptable. And if I'm in the families, maybe the astronauts themselves aren't mad. Astronauts' families are mad. You stole my mom for 10 months. In order to be an astronaut, you go through a lot of testing, mental and physical. You have to be a very even keel person

that works well under pressure, not someone who's just gonna fly off the handle because things didn't go the way that they said that they were gonna go. So what you're saying is I couldn't be an astronaut. You could not be an astronaut. However, you're right in that their families, don't go the way that they said that they were gonna go. So what you're saying is I couldn't be an astronaut. You could not be an astronaut. However, you're right in that their families don't go through that.

Their families can be emotional. So I hope both families sort of band together. They deserve a million dollars minimum each. Yeah, plus like the mental rehabilitation, the physical, the time lost with family. I want them at the best psychological and physical rehabilitation centers in the country. No cost to them.

But so far the reunion and the rescue has been really joyous. It's all been positive. When they landed in the water, there was dolphins around the capsule. I don't give a fuck. Like, it's all been joyous for sure. But you want revenge now.

Of course, there has been no anger. And if that's me, like I'm angry. I know, but they have the temperament of an astronaut. They are the elk of astronauts. Whatever like the equivalent of like the Tony Busby lawyer is of the astronaut sphere, they need the Tony Busby. Yeah, but I could also see this becoming a movie where like, you know, it's Jennifer Lawrence

and Chris Pratt and then they're stuck for 10 months and now they're fucking. And then they have to go home to their families, but they've fallen in love in space. And so maybe they like go back to like this, just like Kennedy Space Center, and they like go in the simulation where there's no gravity. And they can like recreate what they had.

That movie sounds amazing. Yeah, I feel like they- It's not like based on a true story, but it's inspired by real events. Inspired by real events. And we don't know that they didn't fall in love. We don't know what happened on that capsule. Right, it is crazy that like it was,

and I think they're both heterosexual, like that it was a man and a woman, not like two girls or two guys, or it's just like there is potential for love here. If I'm the wife back home, I'm pissed. Yeah, and like, are you concerned? A little bit. Because at the end of the day,

you couldn't even blame them for falling in love. What else do you do? No, what? Like they don't have Netflix up there, do they? I think they do. I mean, they have all the technology and the stratosphere. But you need Wi-Fi.

They're connected. They're connected to, they could talk back home. Like they have Wi-Fi. Yeah, maybe they have a portable DVD player. They definitely have Kind, they could talk back home. Like they have wifi. Yeah. I think- Maybe they have like a portable DVD player. They definitely have Kindle. Well, no, maybe, maybe not because like Jeff Bezos. Because of blue sky.

Yeah. They have like a Barnes and Noble nook. They have like a fire tablet. E-reader. Yeah. Plus they have Starlink wifi. Yeah. But like, I'm sure the whole like zero gravity thing

gets old really quickly. Like it's fun, ha ha, not for 10 months. Yeah, no, they were just in that, even in that video where they're like reuniting and everyone's like bouncing off the walls. It's so crazy. It is really crazy. And I wonder like what would happen

if you put your hair in a ponytail? Cause her hair was like, was loose the whole time. But obviously it was- Then the ponytail would be up like a. Right, so I guess that does, unless you did like a really slick back bun. Ooh, could it be defying gravity, do you think? I think there are buns so slick that they do defy gravity.

I feel like there are products that are like anti-gravity mist. Yeah, right, right, right, from like a Mika. Okay, let's put it to the test. SpaceX, here we come. So funny, well I'm happy for them. I'm happy these people are home. Get your money.

Literally. Don't settle for anything less than a million. Don't take 90K. Yeah, sick. Sick? How about 90K per month? And then we're at a million. Are you ready for our next story

that will lead into our TV recap of Summer House? Yes, I am. Because our fifth and final story, like Craig and Paige are making news offline, off shows about their breakup. So first, the trailer for next week's Southern Charm, a little teaser, dropped next week, or sorry, tonight's episode of Southern Charm

is the finale, so it's when we'll cut to winter. The future. Craig goes to his buddies, she broke up with me, I bought a ring, and he says that Paige broke up with him over the phone after a great Thanksgiving together. So he tells Austin and Craig the story that pretty much we heard on Watch What Happens Live from him that they had a great Thanksgiving

at her parents' house. Then maybe one or two weeks later, she called him, I think we need to break up. He waited a few days to see her in person in New York and then they confirmed the breakup. And in those few days was like Southern Charm premiered. And then by Christmas, New Year's is when they told us. So he's sharing that on Southern Charm tonight.

Like I'm sad, have to watch. But then Paige shared a lot of details about their relationship on the Summer House After Show with Amanda and Sierra. She said that she tolerated too much in her relationship with Craig. Can I tell you as somebody who loved these two so much as a couple, everything I'm seeing now

makes me so sad. At the end of the day though, the net positive is that this really wasn't the relationship that we all thought it was. And when we were breaking down, like the day after they broke up, like what, oh, Charleston, it was so much more than that. And these two people were actually like

not right for each other. So that's like the only peace and solace that I have. But to see it like get ugly really makes me sad because I liked them. I liked them both individually so much. But as a couple, like they really brought so much joy to the Bravo universe. And I think that both of their experiences like are their own.

And I feel like this week on Summer House, you could really see like they're speaking the same language, but they are not understanding one another. Like Paige, you know, when Craig is checking in on the status of their relationship, and especially as it pertains to this big tour, when they already don't spend so much time together because they're long distance,

you know, he sees that as a check-in, right? She sees it as sort of like a doubting and like making her big moment about him. And so while I think that they're both valid in how they received that conversation, like they really were not on the same page at all. Like they were never gonna get to like a middle ground place, honestly.

Yeah, and maybe when they started dating, they were like closer to the same page. And then over the last three years, they just moved further apart to where now they're just like, even if someone's saying something with like a good, fine intention, it's just totally like misconstrued based on how different they are at this point.

Yeah, so, and I thought that was a great question that Andy asked Sierra and Amanda on Watch What Happens Live last night was like, oh my God, did you guys know like Paige was so, he said like checked out of the relationship because watching this week's episode, he said next week it's even worse. Like, did you guys know like Paige was so, he said like checked out of their relationship because watching this week's episode, he said next week it's even worse. Like did you guys know at the time?

And they were like, no, watching it, like we can see she clearly is, but at the time we didn't know. But so the fact that they broke up like between them probably wasn't shocking, but it was to us. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, and a few weeks ago on Watch What Happens Live, Sierra had said that she wasn't shocked when they broke up.

She's right. Yeah, so maybe over the summer, she didn't see what she's seeing now, but by the winter, she knew that Paige was having doubts and over it. And another big thing from the after show that's making headlines is that it's Paige, it's the girls, and the question that gets asked to Amanda is,

do you think Kyle regrets anything he said on that episode of Watch Drops Live about Craig? And she was like, he should regret some of the things that he says, but he definitely doesn't. And then Paige said, I don't think he should regret it. Yeah, now things that for like a few weeks, they both really like wanted to take the high road, like relationships can end,

but we have like love and respect for each other. And then after after the cheating allegations that Craig refused to respond to. Now things have turned nasty, and now they're hearing what the other person has said about them on their show, so then you just wanna get your side out. So now she's sharing a lot in the after show of Summerhouse.

She said that she was really blinded in her relationship. She said, I think I loved him so much that I tolerated too much. And now that I'm out of it and I look back at things, I'm like, oh, wait. So she said any time she had a personal or professional milestone, Craig would find a way to make it about him. She said it was just embarrassing. So that's something that I look back on now and I'm like, oh, wow.

I was really very blinded. I had to do a lot of damage control. She acknowledged that her tour for Giggly Squad also affected her relationship with Craig who already thought that she worked too much. She said, when I started having a panic attacks this fall while I was doing Giggly Squad shows, he just thought it was because I was working too much. So it played into his whole, well, you work too much and you shouldn't be doing all of this thing. She also said that Craig had once encouraged her to watch a documentary about Swedish pop group Abba's journey with touring and how

it quote, ruin their marriages and their lives. She said, I was like, I just got a beta blocker prescription, but thank you so much for the nightly TV watch. No, give me some recommending somebody who's having a panic attack, a documentary is such a crazy thing to do. I was actually laughing when I heard that.

And this is what I mean, like this is what I was saying. I don't think either of them were like ill-intended in, like I'm sure Craig thought he was being helpful when he said that, you know? But like when they're so, they were really are so far off from one another in terms of like goals and the future, and they've become even more further off that they're gonna see the worst

in what the other person does or says. Yeah, that's really what's happening. Cause I can like, when I see what- Like he sees her diving into work as like a personal attack and she sees him like questioning her schedule as an attack on her accomplishments. Like- No, and her diving into work, like for him, it's like,

well, he's right to feel like, but what if, like, are we gonna get married? Are we gonna have kids? Like those things can happen. Like that's fair. But then for her, it's so fair to be like, of course I'm gonna do these things. This is my dream.

But also this is a huge moment for me. Yeah, no, like this is what I've been working for. Like, this is my dream. How can you, what do you mean? Your mic flag's upside down? Claudia, when will you understand? Jackie, when will you understand? Like what if this clip goes viral

and they don't know what show this is because they have to look upside down at their phone? You know, thank you. You're not on this camera? You're not here? No, cause you're the one being so funny and on point. Well not when I'm interrupted. Well, maybe your mic flag wasn't upside down No, because you're the one being so funny and on point. Well, not when I'm interrupted.

Well, maybe your mic flag wasn't upside down when we dropped that, but it's all good, continue. I don't know what I'm saying. One question that Andy asked Amanda on Watch Happens Live that I thought was such a good point that I'd never thought about was about Hannah Berner. And he was like, so have you never been to a Giggly Squad show?

She was like, no. That's weird. I know, but, and I actually really appreciated her answer. She's like, I'm not even gonna ask. Like, that's Hannah's thing, first of all. It's half Hannah. Oh, yeah. So my presence would unnerve her, and it's like her thing,

so I don't wanna make her uncomfortable. But also, it definitely puts Paige in a weird spot, too, because Paige is gonna be like, Hannah, my friend Amanda wants to come. Like it's, but I thought it was so interesting that she hadn't been yet. But then it's also weird that she's not like been there for Paige one time to like support her show.

Even though I know she supports her, but like that's really weird. I know, and then Andy asked like a bunch of follow-up questions about Hannah. And I find it really interesting how Kyle and Amanda talk about Hannah now. They're like, it's very much, they're the Kim Kardashian and Hannah's the now. They're like, it's very much, they're the Kim Kardashian and Hannah's the Taylor.

They're like, oh, for real, we wish her the best. She's crushing it, she's so happy. And I'm sure if you asked Hannah, which she'd never gone and watched Happens Live, but if she was in the same spot, I don't think she looks back as rose colored glasses as they do. That was really, I think, a very, very hard,

traumatic time for her. Yeah. But they're all like, well, we, you know, we wish her the best. I'm sure she don't wish them the best. Because it keeps coming up, like I really want to watch it because I don't understand. You should. And I'm just like, why can't Hannah and Amanda make up

even if Hannah doesn't ever want to talk to Kyle again? Yeah. Like they can't. They can't. Also, I thought that was interesting on Watch Time and Slide. Like a lot of the questions about Craig and any like shady answers, like more so came from Sierra because like Amanda's really not in a position to be like critiquing relationships or like, you know,

partners and how supportive they are. And I think that's actually very self-aware of her. She was not being like overtly critical of Craig. Like when she was like, oh, he was blinded by love. Like her answers, I think, because if she started pointing fingers, that's like not a game you wanna play when your husband is Kyle. No, and when you can see how the things that we see on TV

might not be representative of the issues in your relationship, for better or for worse. Of course we see that conversation between Paige and Craig and we're like, oh, doomsday is coming. But if they hadn't broken up six months later and they were- No, they've had conversations like that over the last five years on Summer House and Southern Charm.

But now this time it's like, oh, well of course they broke up. But in the past it's like, they're working through their issues. Yeah. So I think Amanda can understand how a conversation like that is on TV, but we're working through our issues. Right, right.

In terms of the actual episode, I thought it was a great episode. I was cracking up. Have you ever heard of putting a birthday cake in the oven? No. To store? To store? To me, I couldn't,

because when they were cleaning up, they had this birthday cake. It was from Magnolia Bakery. And I don't think there was space in the fridge. And do you put a cake in the fridge that's half eaten? And Gabby was like, no, you put it in the oven with the oven off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but still,

it doesn't need coldness because it has dairy. I don't know. Like you wouldn't put milk in the oven with the oven off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But still it doesn't need coldness because it has dairy. I don't know. Like you wouldn't put milk in the oven. Like you wouldn't put milk on the counter even. And if you're gonna put it in the oven, why not just leave it on the counter? The oven is warmer. Because like the counter, like the elements, I don't know.

The oven is warmer and you don't want your warm dairy. I was like, is that a thing people do with birthday cakes? I don't think so. To me, it makes no sense, but let us know. I mean, it would be great to, cause like that's like a little second fridge, but that doesn't make sense cause it's dairy. Oh, one thing that bothered me on Watch Dragons Live

and in reference to the episode, cause there was that moment between Jesse and Sierra, where he was like being flirty, your thighs turning me on, whatever. And then Andy was like, Sierra, would you ever like be interested in Jesse? And Amanda's like, yes, yes, yes. And Sierra's turning me on, whatever. And then Andy was like, "'Sierra, would you ever be interested in Jesse?' And Amanda's like, "'Yes, yes, yes!' And Sierra's like, "'Eh, eh!'

And it's like, that's the type of behavior you hated that Wes did, going through multiple girls in the house. You hated when Austin did it. I feel like if I'm Lexi, I'm so annoyed at this whole thing. And the fact that that thing happened on the episode last night,

and Sierra did nothing wrong in the episode. I thought she actually, he was being kinda weird and she behaved appropriately. But now, on Watch Out Inside, egging it thought she actually like, he was being kind of weird and she behaved appropriately, but like now on Watch Up Inside, like egging it on and being like, yeah, we ship. It's like, well, that's what we've been yelling at Wes for. Like that you didn't like it.

Now you're kind of participating in the same exact behavior. Yeah. Yeah. And Jesse and Lexi are not together right now, right? I don't know. I know nothing. It'd be like a big mystery. Right.

But it really is on Jesse. And it seems like this Jesse Sierra thing like keeps continuing. Yeah, cause next week it looks like they have a conversation about like, why didn't we ever give it a shot? Right. And he was like, I let Wes just sort of like I don't know, but I'm gonna get Jesse the benefit of the doubt that like, cause like this week

he really had his head aside from the leg and the humping. Like when he was in the gym, he was saying all the right things. I don't want to have my head turned, like I'm Alexi, I miss her, I'm having fun with my boys, but I miss her. So maybe he can hold onto that for a few more hours at the party.

At the gym when he said that, and then Kyle was like, yeah, but if you don't have the exclusivity clause yet, why don't you use this party while Alexi's out of town, like meet and talk to some girls. Has there ever been worse advice given to anybody? There's never been. Especially from somebody who's some girls. Has there ever been worse advice given to anybody? Especially from somebody who's married?

There's literally never been worse advice because- I was like, I wanted to shake Jessie, like, don't do that. That's not a way to get one more bang in. That's a way to make sure you and Lexi never become exclusive. Some of the worst fucking advice, I mean, not shocking, the worst advice. Yeah. Also something funny because it reminded me when Carl, so this is almost a year ago, he's talking about Soft Bar, the worst advice. Yeah. Also something funny, because it reminded me when Carl,

so this is almost a year ago, he's talking about Softbar, which still hasn't launched. And then Andi on Watch Rapids Live was talking to Amanda about her swimsuits, and was like, and Amanda, I just want to congratulate you for being the first Bravo star in history to line up a product launch with the season airing. You're talking about the swimsuits,

and you can buy the swimsuits now. It's kind of brilliant. And it was so funny. And then I actually felt like it was a direct dig at Softbar. Like they still don't have a bar. Digger Softbar, I think he's still mad at Austin Kroll for not getting Trap Hop off the ground after like seasons of promotion.

And like then at the reunion, Andy's like, so where can you buy it? And he's like, not yet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's really funny. And then of course, spring summer joggers, she by Shre. Of course, of course. Yeah.

Okay, so the episode, they had this big pirate party that like Carl's taking really seriously for some reason because he has this girl coming who seems really cute. Yeah, she does. And because Lindsay's not there. So it's like, this is Carl's bat mitzvah. Which I mean, just be normal, you know? Like just go to a party

and like it doesn't have to be so much pressure. I know it's just Carl, everything Carl does. I don't know if it's like these days post Lindsay. I don't necessarily always remember feeling this way about him, but like everything he does is just like this pathetic aura to it. But I think he also, I think maybe like he's inherently like that, but then he also like heaps it on.

Cause I think he like wants us to forget that he ended the engagement that Lindsay but then he also heaps it on because I think he wants us to forget that he ended the engagement, that Lindsay was going to marry him. He is the reason why they're not married and why she's not carrying his child. So I guess it's a good way to make us forget that because otherwise he's the villain. And I don't feel him as a villain

because of the way that he carries himself. I never had sex. Yes, Sad Sack, he wants to be seen as the victim. Sad, sex, celibate, haven't had sex in a year. Why, you broke up with a girl. No, and he thinks it helps him that Lindsay moved on so quickly and that she's pregnant because he's still here.

I'm celibate. Right, and literally acting like he got broken up with. I don't think anybody is falling for it. However, it has helped in neutralizing any strong opinions that I had. The threat. Like, listen bro, just go talk to your lemur girl, okay? No, he's so pathetic. Like that's the word.

And even when she like gave him a compliment and she was like, you look like a lemur. Okay, I'll go kill myself. Like it's like, he's so- She likes lemurs. I know, I know. And it's like, even like the good things in his life, like this girl complimenting him like they're sad

I'm like is that girl gonna stay at the house. That was a bad idea Terrible when he said are you staying here? I thought he meant like in the Hamptons I should hope so what you drive three hours for a party with a pirate ship Maybe like it was just no that's no. Did you pack a bag? Do you have clean ideas? No It was just no, that's no. Did you pack a bag? Do you have clean undies? No. So yeah, it was like a big moment for Carl for some reason, this party. And what else happened?

I did not understand why Amanda and Sierra were dressed as birds. Cause like pirates have birds with them, like a parrot. Right, so when they took the picture and Sierra had, I mean, Paige had both of them on her arms. I then understood the parrot, but Sierra was dressed as a seagull. Maybe she was like a dove.

No, I think she said I'm a seagull. Well, I think they could also have seagulls, like maybe it's not only parrots. No, I think it is, like that's the shtick. That's like one person shtick, maybe from like Pirates of the Caribbean. Right, right. Let me see pirate birds

Oh also I Feel like Nick now because they're broken up and we know that like Amanda. I mean Paige is like very much team Lover boy. It's not surprising. But when you're watching the episode just like for where they are in their relationship It's like very clear that Craig, Paige is mad at Craig for like getting into this fight with Kyle and she's like annoyed that they're here because of him, like she's not on his side, which now makes sense, but at the time it's like,

well, that's your man, you know? Yeah. And she's like, it's interesting how the primary feeling she's feeling is like annoyed at him. I know, but it's also like the issue, I think, regardless of like our personal like state. It's so hard, we have to take ourselves out of it. But actually when I'm watching this, they blur out,

it's like I actually don't feel like attached to it in the moment. So the issue is that like Kyle has completely co-opted the show with Loverboy and why can't, seriously, why can't anyone on the cast, let alone a castmate's boyfriend, do anything with any other alcohol or canned cocktail company. Like why, that's not right.

So even though it's very inconvenient for Paige that Craig went and did this. And it's gonna cause a bragus with Kyle and Amanda. And that's very inconvenient. And I don't want, we don't wanna fight with our friends. They're wrong for asserting that it has to be this way and only this way. And nobody else, whether they're cast members or not,

can do something with another brand. Like what, you're not paying people. No, at its core, and that's what's so interesting, you know, Jesse Solomon did like a big Truly ad the other day. I feel like at some point Kyle has to like just start to act normal about it. No, I feel like Kyle literally,

I think Kyle facilitated the deal to be like, I didn't get had a fired for doing something with Trulia. I love Trulia and White Claw. Like I feel like he's now, because that's what's being said about Kyle and that's what bothers him so much. That's why he was texting Paige. I didn't get had a fired

because she didn't add with another drink company. It's like this thing that people know about Kyle and it bothers him that people know it. So I feel like he told Jessie to do it. So why would he behave the same way with Spritz? Say that again? Why would he behave the same way with Spritz? Say that again? Why would he behave the same way about Spritz? Why would he pretend to be cool with it?

Well, he didn't feel that way at the time. He didn't feel that way at the time. The Truly thing happened, and then the Spritz thing happened, and then after the Spritz thing happened, everybody brought up the Hannah Truly thing again, so it became this big narrative about Kyle. And a pattern, and now he's trying to pretend like it's not a pattern.

So now I think he's trying to, I wouldn't be surprised if he went to Truly and said, my friend Jessie needs a deal Like just to counteract the narrative about him. Got it, got it. Like I'm sure Jesse did that with complete approval. Yeah, that's really interesting. But yeah, I just think it's crazy that there's this expectation of exclusivity

for literally everyone in their orbit and only they're allowed to make money on canned cocktails and no one else can work in this huge space. And Craig was funny in the car about Kendall and Kyle, like such a random example, but so true. Yeah, it was a random example, but it was hilarious. He's so funny. He's so funny.

And then I thought that we were gonna get like the Craig versus Kyle fight last night, but it's next week, so. Yeah, and I think it was fair that like Craig didn't wanna have the fight the first night. No, also the vibe that I was getting was that if they were going to talk about it, they were going to talk about it right there at the table

with everybody around, which is really not productive. Yeah. And that's not like a, in the weeds conversation. It's just like, man, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Like he has ish. Well, that's what Kyle thinks. Kyle thinks it's just going to be like, bro, I didn't mean to bro, I'm sorry. And Craig is actually like a very emotional person.

And so I think, you know, us having this conversation after a long day in the middle of the table with everybody, there's no room for nuance. And I think Craig has a lot more to say than I think Kyle's expecting. Yeah, I agree. So Southern Charm recap from Jackie O tomorrow.

I have to watch. I'm so excited. Yeah and you didn't recap last week. So I didn't. And something crazy happened that I just wanted to mention. Oh, Vanita and JT, the girls are fighting. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I saw Vanita making a lot of news.

The Venmo and the $5,000. Yes, $5,000. Okay, cause like Vanita has actually been vindicated because I told this to Ben, but I need to tell it to you because remember when JT said, like, I don't want to date you, I have a girlfriend. Yeah. Then they went to the Bahamas and he's like crying cause he's fighting with everyone

and she goes up to his room and she's like putting the moves on him. And he's like, says in his confessional how she's like throwing herself at him and it's really hard to say no, but he has a girlfriend. And she's like, I want JT, I love JT, me and JT. It's really crazy.

And then she posted on her Instagram story, the conversation where he told her that he has a girlfriend happened after the Bahamas. And they aired it before the Bahamas and made her look really stupid. Wait, that's like really evil. Yeah, really evil. So I was glad that she cleared her name

and I was like, okay, we can't like trust everything, but we know that it's TV, but like, okay, Vanita like hasn't lost her damn mind. Wait, I feel so bad for her. That's so embarrassing. Yeah, but she really cleared her name and like people, we had moved on from it. And so JT, like there was this like,

the thing with the barber, oh my God, it was like so crazy. Remember when I told you that someone's goes to the same barber as JT, and then the barber told, I told you in the preview for next week, someone goes to the same barber as JT, a random guy named I don't even know who he is why he's on the show but he said that JT said to the barber something and then he told it to Levin we're like waiting to see what it was and it was really crazy he said that the

barber said that JT said was talking about the show in the season and that like some black girl keeps coming on to me oh yeah and J. And JT is flipping when Levitt tells him this and like Levitt and Venita hear this and they're like, that's not JT. Like we know him. He doesn't talk like that. He's a good person. Right.

Is the person that we know like not him at all. Did the barber make it up? So JT calls the barber on the spot. He was like, did I say this? And the barber was like, no, but I was saying to Ryan. He was like, that might've been the way that I said it. Retold it. Retold it, but that's not how you said it. But it was like, no, but I was saying to Ryan, he was like, that might've been the way that I said it. Re-told it. Re-told it, but that's not how you said it.

But it was literally five minutes where it just goes from like all the way up to like, oh, it's nothing all the way down. JT did not say it. He's like, not. He's totally vindicated. But I feel like he's gonna quit the show and everyone says that he's gonna quit the show.

And that might've been something. And anyways, then something happened where Vanita said like, oh, really, you weren't spending $5,000 on me, take me out when I'm not your girlfriend. She said something like that on her Instagram. And then he was like, no, you paid for my suit because I was using a cane. I left my credit card in the car and I paid you back.

And then like, here's the exact amount, dollars and cents. Like she made it seem like he was like whining and dining her and like paying her. Oh, that's bad. Yeah, bad luck. But I'm gonna hold space for the next truth because that's what keeps happening. Where it's like, wait, that looks crazy.

Even with the JT thing, I'm like, what? How can he come out? How can this not be true? Ryan's a liar? Why would Ryan lie? And they say Ryan's husband is black. Why would he just make this up? Right.

It was just like a bad game of telephone. Yikes. Poor Vanita. Poor Vanita. And she's like in her bed, she's like waiting to hear the truth. Like is my friend a horrible, like I felt so bad for,

he felt so bad for it. It was just like a really bad moment and for nothing because it didn't happen. Well, I can't tell you how much I'm enjoying the season of Southern Charm through your eyes, you know? So I'll let you know what happens at the finale party. Molly is gonna kiss Shep, though it doesn't look so romantic.

Craig will give us the update on the breakup. Even though I don't think anything we're gonna see tonight is something we don't know already. I feel like they've really teased everything. Yeah. Well, that's our show you guys and a laffy. Thank you so much for listening to the Toast of Millennium. We're gonna be sharing with you the fastest stories you need to know about the Friday on YouTube.

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