The Toast - mAiN cHaRacTeR eNeRgY: Monday, September 18th, 2023

Episode Date: September 18, 2023

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Good morning, Millennials, and welcome back to The Toast. Happy Monday. Happy New Year. Hope everybody had a fabulous weekend. Speaking of fabulous, here I am. Here she is, Zlat Turd. You guys, you are probably shocked that Turd x Flamingos x Florida Studio x Jack's x Original Recipe is happening today.

I was supposed to be home today. But in a not so shocking turn of events, even though it was shocking given the circumstances, but this happens every time you're here. So I'm sure the toasters aren't surprised. No, but. Turdi extended her stay. I did, but of course I had to do so in like the most dramatic way. Right. I'm packing up. I leave. I get in the Uber. Harry's literally in the driveway waving to his auntie. Koja, Koja. What do I do in the car I cry and then what do I do I call Ben and I say Ben I don't think I could do it Ben says what if I come down literally I'm like halfway to the airport I'm like I'm so sorry sir I forgot something we have to turn around and then I like came back and

I didn't tell anyone and I was like so dramatic I like walked through the door with my bags it's literally like what's that what's that movie it from friends. Like I got off the plane. That was literally me. And like, honestly, everybody was like, like, I didn't feel like I was being dramatic because everybody was like, she's here. Wait, what are you doing? What's wrong? Like everybody was feeding into like my dramatic fantasy and it made the whole thing worth it. It was a very exciting thing. I woke up to it because I fell back asleep after the early a.m feeding and I was looking through the family chat Claudia had left she sent a picture of herself in the uber crying and then I'm nursing on my bed I still hadn't gotten up yet like for the day and I hear Claudia's voice

like coming down my hallway I'm like Claudia but I figured actually it's probably Olivia sounding like Claudia or maybe like somebody's playing a video of mine. Maybe. And then she walked in the door. I was like, what? No, like one thing about me, like my life is a movie. Like my life is a film. Are you saying you're giving main character energy? No, I wouldn't say that I'm giving main character energy. One, because only losers say that. And to be honest, no main character has like really actually ever said that, like not to be a bitch. And two, I'm not giving main, like I am, you know, you can give something that you already are if that makes sense but I feel like I'm the main character why would you say I mean you're definitely like the main character

of your life I feel like it's one of those movies like you know there's two main characters like Valentine's Day or Love Actually where there's a lot of main characters I disagree I disagree I think it's like the type of movie with two main like it's it's romey and michelle yeah like they're both like honestly i couldn't even really say who's better romey or michelle no it's not about who's better it's about who's the main character and they're really 50 50 but it just begs the question like who did you like better romey or michelle like michelle had a better zest for life but like she was living in a fantasy and like she was they both were no but like like Romy at least like had a grip on reality I felt like Romy was like

always kind of shielding Michelle from like the real story but Romy was the reason that he got themselves into such trouble because Romy cared so much what other people thought whereas Michelle was just going with the flow and she wasn't ashamed of their life no and she would have been happy to show up at the reunion yeah so true as's so true. As who she was. It was Romy who wanted bigger and better for them, who wanted more than her station. You're so right. You're so right. So?

So I guess there was one who was better. Michelle? Yeah. Well, you thought it was Romy, so you can agree. I didn't say I thought it was Romy. I'm saying arguments could be made for both. Yeah. Even though, like, obviously, Lisa Kudrow.

Romy, like, ushered them through life, but she took a lot of wrong terms. It's true, but, you know, it's hard. At least they got somewhere. It's true, it's true. I don't know if they would get anywhere. I don't know if they would have had a roof over their heads had it not been for Romy. Right.

Okay, I'm glad we got to the bottom of that. Both are important. So it was a fabulous weekend. We celebrated the Jewish New Year. Happy Rosh Hashanah to everyone. And what's even more fabulous about it is since we were all together for the holiday, we vlogged not once, but twice. Part two will be going up today, correct? is going up today so part one went up on

Saturday it was Olivia's night of Rosh Hashanah she hosted night one and Claudia and Marco took us behind the scenes of her kitchen which I loved watching because I didn't get to see her cooking process I wish I watched it before I made my night because then I could see how she did her brisket because you kept telling me what she was doing. Yeah. But she did night one. The vlog is so amazing. So many scenes. I pop in for a second, but I'm not the main character. Definitely not. I'm like not even supporting. I'm an extra. You're a background actor for sure. It's giving extra. No, you're like man in taxi, you know, because you had a line. No, I'm woman with baby. By the way, you're literally breastfeeding mama. I'm woman with baby. Yeah. By the way, you're literally breastfeeding mama.

I'm woman with baby in vlog number one. But in vlog number two, which drops today, I'm the star. I'm the main character energy. And I'm kind of like Remy, the ratatouille, the rat of all my dreams. I'm kind of like the rat in your ear in the kitchen. Yeah. You are the supporting actor, I would say. If they were giving Oscars for vlogs, I would be nominated for best actress. And you would be best supporting actress.

But I would also be nominated in director category and perhaps stage design. Yeah. And maybe writer girl. Writer girl. Yeah. OK. That's fair. So then part two.

There's room for everyone. There is room for everyone. So I won't spoil it. But night two, we were coming off of Olivia's amazing hosting of night one. Honestly, when we got home from her dinner, we were like, why did we even bother? Yeah. Um, and we were following this kind of, I would say advanced recipe for a brisket for

a brisket from Jake Cohen's new cookbook. And I won't lie. Like we were cursing Jake Cohen's name in our sleep. Well, I don't want to spoil anything. The vlog is one hour of Claudia and I cooking a six pound brisket and it is, it's cinematic gold and it's dropping today. So that's at patreon.com slash the toast. Not only are we cooking a six pound brisket, but we are in foul moods, like really foul. Jackie was obviously just like overtired from being a

mother. I feel like I'm usually trying to be positive when we're feeling foul. Oh we're cooking the brisket at midnight. Yeah. It was one of the worst experiences of my life but it was all worth it because we got a vlog out of it. Right and we got a brisket for better or for worse. You'll have to find out. You'll have to find out how the brisket turned out but that'll be fun and that was going up today. So it was an eventful weekend. Really eventful. So much fun in the sun. So much fun in the sun. So much fun in the sun. So much time with the kids. So many core memories.

I'm just like TikTok jargon girl today. Yeah. You're like delayed. Like all these things like popped off like a year ago. But they're still part of the vernacular. Kind of. It was core memory building season over here at the Oshare Wine Reb Shapiro software household. And it was sad, obviously, because Ben wasn't here.

He spent Rosh Hashanah with his family. But he got here last night. And I'm just trying to do it all over again, like making new core memories with Uncle Ben. So you're saying you want to start all over. You know, I don't know if you listened to Ben's most recent episode, On the Toast, but he was saying he's in love with Olivia Rodrigo. He loves her music.

It's so Ben. It's like rockery. And he's been listening to her album so much. And he gets in bed last night. And I was reading and listening to music. And Olivia Rodrigo's album was on. And Ben like he thought he was about to make the most sick call ever. He's like he points to the screen.

He's like this song. You're going to freak out. It sounds just like Start All Over by Miley Cyrus. I'm like we know. Like everyone's talking about it. We know. Yeah. She's going to have to give It sounds just like Start All Over by Miley Cyrus. I'm like, we know. Like, everyone's talking about it. We know. Yeah, she's going to have to give another writing credit. Yeah, yeah.

And I'm like, no, no, we know. Thanks for joining us. Like, he thought he had a fire point, and I shut him down. That's good. Love to destroy a man's confidence before noon. That's really good for your marriage. Yeah, and speaking of my marriage,

we celebrated our six-year anniversary yesterday, which was why Ben flew down. I was going to come home early, and he was like, was like let me just it was like a whole thing whatever um and I got him a gift did you see my gift I did I got him a cameo cameo is honestly sometimes like the best gift we I told him I'm like no I don't have the time and the place I don't want like I think between like Hanukkah birthdays anniversaries Valentine's Day like what I'm supposed to drop so much money and Ben's supposed to drop so much money on me I honestly find gift giving to be incredibly wasteful so we haven't been like in our gift giving era sustainable 30 well yeah I am turning 30 next year and I do like want something big so just make sure he takes care of that for sure do you have any ideas in mind because he's always asking but I can't trip honestly

you want an experience maybe okay so um we don't really do gifts anymore. Honestly, I just find it such a waste of money. But this year I got him a cameo, which is like a gag gift, even though it was kind of pricey. Was it? Yeah. I mean, he must have upped his price. I got him a cameo from Rick Hoffman, who we all know as Louis Lit from Suits.

And we also know him as an upcoming character in the Thanksgiving movie, which we can't stop talking about. I'm sure that his price went up because Suits is number one on Netflix right now. Right. So I think all in all, it's like a little under $300 between like taxes, Apple fees, all that stuff. He delivered it in a couple of days. It was three minutes long.

It was so thoughtful and funny. And honestly, it made Ben laugh so much. If you're like in your Suits era with your husband right now, like get him a gift. Like Ben was dying. There was something like inherently, you and I were talking about this I think privately uncomfortable about receiving a cameo I find it really hard to receive cameos and you've gotten me I've gotten a few cameos over the years from all different kinds of celebrities and I haven't found like a cameo that I enjoy receiving I got her one for Manti Taya when she became obsessed with that documentary

yeah which was so like cute and thoughtful like I just like died listening to it. I can't explain it. I've got, you got me one from Carlin. Carlin from the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Jenny's daughter. That was probably my best one that I've received, but I have like a really hard time receiving cameos. And then one time like Damon John made me one. Yep. And Bethany made you one. And I, it has nothing to do with Damon but like you physically recoiled physically recoiled hearing Damon like recite what like he was things about you things about me I just seriously wanted to die by the way I didn't choose it as a story today but are you following this Bethany saga no okay you know she's like makeup girly tiktok like whatever she like part

of her personality on tikt TikTok is that she's so rich but she shops at TJ Maxx and like I don't know I guess we're supposed to clap and um the one in I think in the Hamptons that she goes to she like knows the staff there because she's there all the time and she brought them like this big bag of makeup that you know she gets so much PR and she brought them this big bag of makeup and the ladies were like oh oh, thank you. Like we're not allowed to accept. She's like, don't worry. I'll email corporate, like take this. And she got the whole thing on video.

And it was just like, I think her heart was in the right place, but it was deeply painful and uncomfortable to watch. And she's being dragged for it. A lot of people said that some of the makeup was used and like, why would you go do that? And then like to assert your power and be like I will email your manager like it was giving Karen energy and like but a positive Karen was trying to do good but it's like that's the thing I watched the video and like you said physically recoiled in my seat but I don't think you know her heart was in the wrong place yeah but I I just I

can't I can't personally get behind doing acts of good deeds and filming them and yeah don't do it no don't like you're not helping I like that's a whole but then there's this other side of TikTok where people um there are a lot of videos of people doing good deeds and they're amazing to watch yeah and you know that like because they film them they get money from it and then they like do this thing where it's like when a lot of people I follow they do this thing where when they make a thousand dollars in the TikTok creator fund they'll give that as one big tip to like a server or somebody working at you know like a barista and so you need the videos in order to do the acts of good deeds um but something like that with Bethany like honestly like just don't like that's the lesson

I think here for Bethany yeah so I guess we can't make any blanket statements like don't do good in video. Right. It's a case by case situation. It is. But just use your judgment like most things. Like most things. But I didn't choose that as a story. Good.

I don't know why like Bethany making waves in her videos and stuff like just doesn't do it for me. Positive or negative. Yeah. No, I feel that. She's definitely like a weird wave of her career. Yeah. Where she's kind of becoming like tabloid fodder. Yeah. But she seems to be enjoying herself. Yeah. And the more, like, I don't think any amount of backlash is going to stop her from

doing what she's doing. She kind of like lives for it. She does. And she's also, she's like uncancellable. Like she's a very successful person. Her now like second wind as a creator of some sorts is definitely making her money but it's borderline like a hobby so it's not like you can all stop watching her videos and she'll not have you know money to put on the table like right she's in a weird position where she really is like not cancelable but I guess that also makes whatever she's doing very authentic to her because she's not saying anything to appease anyone that's true that's always interesting it is if you're interested so it's like a little's always interesting. It is. If you're

interested. So it's like a little, a little amuse-bouche, you know, not a story, but a little amuse. Ooh, a little teaser story. I don't know what the stories are. We're doing a swap today. Oh, we are. Because I was running so late this morning. So Claudia picked the stories and actually some of the ads that we have today. Jackie's really passionate about. And they asked for me. They did. Let's talk about that like ongoing trend in our business where certain brands are reaching out asking for Jackie to read the ads. It's hurtful. Like have I not done a good job these last six years? But it makes sense because they're brands that really only I am using. Yeah of course. I mean Dreamland, Baby Swaddle of course. Right. And we have two today. One of them like yeah they definitely. They definitely chose you

over me. They found favor because they know how passionate I am about the brand. And you know that's okay. And sometimes I don't get to exercise my passions about the ads because like we hit the timer and it's time to move on. Yeah. So today I get to share everything I'm and there are a couple brands in here I'm really passionate about. I'm not going to say which ones because then you'll know which ones I'm not passionate about. Right. Also I am unfortunately going to have to leave your house at some point because my book club meets this week and I'm about halfway through the book. I don't know if I updated everyone on the book that I chose. You didn't, but are you going to read somewhere? Is that what you're saying? You're

going to have to leave my house? No, I have to leave because book club is meeting and I have to make the meeting. I never thought a book club could be a negative thing. I know. I know. I never thought I would, you know, find disfavor with your book club so if you followed me on instagram i had four books jackie had recommended codename helene i wanted to do i think i pretty much landed on historical fiction so i got a bunch of wrecks i whittled it down to four and i posted on my instagram to have everyone vote for which would be the one that that i chose and for some reason i ended up choosing the one with the least amount of votes why Why? I don't know. I just read the description and I was like compelled by it. And you followed your heart. I followed my

heart. And, you know, I'm on this like kind of like history journey where I like low key know nothing about history. It's actually embarrassing. And when I've been reading a lot of World War II books, I've kind of been focusing on different countries. Like when I read The Rose Code, I learned all about England during World War II. When I read The Nightingale, I learned all about France. And then one of the books that I had thought about reading was Italy. And I was like, what was going down in Italy? Like I had no idea. I knew England when I read The Rose Code. I knew England was like a main character of World War II. Then when I read The Nightingale, I'm like, what the hell did go down in France? Turned out they

just like rolled over and let the Nazis come in. And then I'm like, what happened with Italy? So you know what? I was like, I feel like this is a good journey for me. It's 600 pages though, which is a lot. I'm 50% through. It's an incredibly compelling story. I will say, I do think the book requires the basic background, like minimal knowledge

on like the main characters in Italy during the war. Do you have those? No, but let me tell you what I do have, a Kindle. And I was talking to my friend from book club last night. He's like, oh, I decided to read it hardcover. I'm like, you know what? I think that was a mistake because do you know how many things I have highlighted and read the Wikipedia on just because the author does not do a good job of like giving background info. People or both? Terms.

Terms, like a lorry. What the, just say truck. There were so many lor or both terms terms like a lorry what the just say truck there were so many lorries lorry this lorry that german lorries german lorries and after about the 10th time i'm like i thought i would read it and then they would explain it like i would figure it out context clues what the fuck is a lorry it's a truck okay so so it's not beginner it's not beginner and it's a true story about this guy named pino lela and it's not beginner. It's not beginner. And it's a true story about this guy named Pinolella. And it's an incredibly compelling story. Like, I don't know what ended up happening to him, but he had this amazing story. Like, it's like one of the untold journeys of the war.

And I just feel like the writer is doing everything he can to like make it not compelling. He's not doing the story justice, but the story is so good that the book is still good. He's not doing the story justice, but the story is so good that the book is still good. But had I realized at the time that the book was written by a man, I wouldn't have chosen it. Like, I'm going to say something crazy right now. Writing is for girls. Like, men are not good writers. I literally have only read a handful of books by men and they stink and they get like special

treatment in the men. The silent patient patient everyone's like the best book like it was you know covered wall to wall every bookstore every goodreads stunk it up stunk it up like the bar is low for the man I'm not reading books by men anymore it's not for them I respect your opinion I think writing is for everyone and I disagree because I feel like the books I've read by men are so good because all of the books I read are by women so there's going to be a lot more variation but when something by a man like comes across my desk like it usually is good because all of the books I see are like

the women are platformed more I like I like I think men like genuinely can't write and then it makes me question like the great writers you you know, Shakespeare, do you think it was bad? I think like if there had been equal opportunity in writing for women during, you know, Hemingway's time during William Shakespeare's time, like, and I think if we had put the best female writer up against Shakespeare, like, honestly, I think Shakespeare wouldn't have stood a chance. Like, this is just a theory I have because men can't write. Like they're literally not good at it. It's just a thought. Let me know in the comments.

Do you think men can write? Well, for certain genres, I would prefer a woman's touch. Oh my God, I would never read like a romance novel by a man. Like literally, who cares? I know, but like these women are so delusional. That's what makes it good. It's fantasy, Jackie. I know, but it's like, I think we're leading people down an unrealistic path.

Ooh, hot take. And I think like everyone's just like sitting around waiting. So you mean that boss of yours who's a billionaire, it's not going to come into my tiny square, like 10 foot square, 10 square foot apartment and offer me to be the president because he sees something in me? The president and his wife. Right, of course, the president and in turn his wife. Yeah.

You don't think that's going to happen? I think we're setting unrealistic standards for young women. No, that's the thing. What's so great about romance novels. Like it's really like, it's so unrealistic that it's, it's fantasy. Yeah. Honestly, some of the romance books I read, like really should be categorized under fantasy. Some people haven't gotten that memo though yet. So like they're sitting around waiting for their Christian gray to walk through the door. Totally totally separate like tangent or you look gorgeous like really stunning and jackie's wearing her hair oh naturally today because she came out into the kitchen she's like i have to do my hair i'm like no you don't it looks gorgina i'm loving this half up half down

fresh face all white like it's giving what is it giving hold on I want to find the perfect word okay it's giving what is the word I'm looking for maybe I'm not the good writer it's well first of all it's giving luxury the whole look oh my god thank you but but your face it's giving unbridled peace if that makes sense maybe that's because my wonderful turdy loose stayed a few more days maybe i'm feeling at peace and we had a great weekend but thank you yes i'm wearing my hair natural because claudia was like no it looks so good it really does and i didn't know if it was because she wanted to get the show on the road because we're running a little late today because i was running a little late today.

But you know what? It is what it is. Let's give her a shot. My natural hair. I can't recall the last time I wore it natural on the show. I do want to be completely honest. Like part of me telling you to wear your natural hair was like, I want to get my day started. Like, let's get the show on the road. But I never would have let you like walk out with ugly hair. Your hair actually looks beautiful. So it helped my case that you not doing your hair moved things along. Got it. It's just being honest. If I'm going to be honest.

I appreciate your honesty. Oh, we need to talk about also another major, major like life altering update from this weekend. Two things. Okay. We stayed number one on the podcast charts the entire weekend. Everybody loved our Friday episode. Friday's episode hit number one as well

because the other episode of ours that hit number one. Wednesday. It was audio only, which means that we had a couple extra movers and shakers propping us to the top. But then Friday we're back on YouTube. So we split the audience again. Right.

Which we're happy to do. We're happy to take the hit. But our courage was rewarded because we were number one. And not only was it rewarded, it was rewarded double time because it turns out a little birdie named Aaron Rodgers saw our Instagram posts about content we should suggest to him to listen to while he heals. And he liked our rendition of The Sun is Rising by Brit Nicole. He liked it. He liked the reel. He liked it physically and emotionally too, because I don't think he would like it

physically if he didn't like it emotionally because he seems like the kind of guy who means what he says. And it just begs the question, like, is Aaron Rodgers in love with us? Sorry, Aaron. We're taken. I don't know. My wedding ring hasn't been fitting recently. Same.

For different reasons. Physically, it hasn't been fitting, but emotionally, not really either because I've been so transfixed on like my relationship with Aaron Rodgers hmm he's single I know last I heard last I heard on the toast um okay one other thing to say one other thing because as fall turns and the leaves change we are getting closer and closer to my book being released. Oh my God. And not us being like women who don't support female authors. We have not spoken about your book. It's disgusting.

We haven't spoken about my book in a little while. I've had a lot going on. A ton. But now it's time to rev it up. Yeah. Prepare to be sick of me. Prepare to be sick of me because my debut book, which is a children's book,

is coming out on October 10th. It's called The Camper and the Counselor. And I'm so, so, so excited. I still read it every single day and night to Harry. He loves it beyond words. And I'm so excited for all of you to get your hands on it. And here's why you should get it for a multitude of reasons. One, if you like this show, like support your girl and her debut, of course. But if you have a child in your life, whether it be a daughter, a son, a niece, a nephew, a cousin, whatever, you know, some child, grandchild, someone who feels like family, but you don't even, you know, child, godchild. Um, you want to give them this book because like it's actual joy in a book. First of all, it rhymes. And you know, as a very involved auntie,

I'm seeing the trend in children's literature is moving away from rhyming. And I think that's the wrong choice. And I think it's wrong for the kids. I think it's neglectful, in my opinion. And Jackie wasn't going to let that happen. She said, this book is going to rhyme whether you fuckers like it or not. And not only does it rhyme, it bounces. You could just be reading that book. You could read that book and your shoulder, you won't even notice your shoulder is just like,

the one to Kim Probst gives me goosebumps and chills. We're here, I yell as we pull into the drive we've made it to camp i'm so glad to arrive like it has melodic qualities it has rhythm it has the beat it'll bring joy to your kids and if you like love a child in your life like why would you want to make them unhappy give them the book give them the book you can search it on amazon i'm available everywhere barnes and Noble, Indie Bound. Go to thecamperandthecounselor.com. Thecamperandthecounselor.com will direct you to where you could get it.

And you could still get a signed copy via Talk Shop Live. You can. So that's really exciting. October 10th, prepare to be sick of me. And I hope that you get the book and that you're going to love the book. That'll be so exciting when that comes out. We get so many pictures and videos on Instagram of like kids loving the book. No, and I'm so excited because right now I've only teased the first few pages.

So people don't like know. The plot. The plot. I really don't want to give too much away. But I'm just really excited for when people finish the book. It has twists and turns. It does. Highs and lows.

It's not what you expect. But it's not too scary. No, of course not. No, no, no. There's just like. It's for children of all ages yeah i would say zero to eight because um i've been reading it to harry since since he was born because that was when i wrote the first draft when i was nine months pregnant and as he gets older he

loves it more and more but it's also great for kids who are going to camp for the first time and might be feeling a little trepidatious homesick and that's at eight years old i don't want to spoil it but like camper does you know experience a bout of homesickness she goes through some shit yeah no she's kind of like a little all over the place but that's why we love her yeah she's happy she's sad it's like get it together girl and that's why she needs counseling enter counselor snitch counselor and you don't need to be familiar with this podcast to like understand the book understood why i call understood why I call Margot Counselor a Counselor Snitch, it's irrelevant to the story.

It's just Counselor Snitch is in the book. And thankfully, she was inspired by Margot. Yeah. So it'll be fabulous. But she has a bit of everyone in her. She better. Yeah. She better.

So I'm excited about that. Check it out. Me too. And now without further ado. Now. I feel as though we can get into the fast five stories that you need to know. But again, I spoke too soon because there are some things I need to let you know. Oh, she spoke too soon.

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Tower of Babbel, which is reminding me of this TikTok trend that I want to talk about. Oh, sure. The Roman Empire. Yeah. Which everyone is asking their husbands how often they think about the Roman Empire because apparently men think about the Roman Empire almost every day. It's like a theory on TikTok that like grown men are constantly thinking of the Roman Empire and people are filming themselves asking their husbands and boyfriends and they're being like, honestly, like a couple times a week. Yeah. And I was not convinced that Ben would feel the same. And?

I did it last night. He was like, he didn't even know what the Roman Empire was. Same. I didn't know what the fuck it was either. I knew for a fact that my husband wasn't thinking about the Roman Empire once a week. Nothing in life is guaranteed. But I knew for a fact. But I knew for a fact.

But that's how I feel about the Tower of Babel. find so now the question has been posed on tiktok what is the female equivalent of the roman empire like what historical tragedies or mysteries do plague women that and some of the answers are helen keller the titanic that's what i was gonna say um chernobyl chernobyl but i feel like people didn't know a lot about chernobyl until that show came out so how are you really thinking about no i think the titanic is like the perfect answer yeah i was i said the titanic we were talking about at dinner the tower of babel for me for you the holocaust the i was gonna say the holocaust but i think that's exclusive to like jewish women let us know yeah if you're not a jewess how often do you think about the holocaust probably every day

definitely but I definitely think about the holocaust every day I probably think about the tower of babel once a week I've actually never thought of it in my life like that's so crazy yeah that's crazy but like just if your man isn't thinking about the roman empire like it's okay I just, I didn't see anyone else posting like that. Their husbands had no idea what that was. Like, let me ask you a question.

What's the Roman empire. Like when? Oh, I, it's in Rome. It's in Rome. And it was like the greatest civilization up until that point. And I guess since then,

um, but then it collapsed. But after like hundreds, how did it collapse you know got too big for its britches that's so us right now like that's what's gonna happen to us yeah totally yeah um okay but a lot of it like advances and technology technology like medicine mathematics architecture a lot of it comes from Rome so I think like when people see you know arches or highways that's when men are like always thinking about the Roman Empire interesting highways not highways but like I

don't know because Shapiro said when he's on the highway or something he thinks oh Shapiro thinks about the Roman Empire there was like a thing that makes him think or some one of the videos I saw because there are things in everyday life that like came from the Roman Empire so that's when these men in this room came from the Roman Empire why don't you search Roman Empire inventions it's also like concepts you know inventions Roman Empire okay here 10 inventions to thank the Roman Empire for from grayline rome.com cement okay right so he's on the highway. The aqueduct. They didn't invent the idea of transporting water. They were primitive canals

and other water transportation systems in place before ancient Roman times, but they harnessed the idea, developed and refined it using their engineering skills to build the aqueduct. So that's like plumbing. No, well, sanitation.

That's a Roman empire thing that they gave us. They brought clean water into cities and towns and they kept waste away from clean water. They also developed sewers to take waste out of the cities. Oh, wow. They use, I'm going to start thinking about the Roman Empire. They use the water from the aqueducts to flush the sewers and the drains.

Many of the homes in the city were connected to a sewerage, sewerage structure. To plumbing. Oh, roads. That's why Shapiro said highway. Got it. Social care and welfare. Ancient Roman administrations developed welfare-type programs.

They developed laws that provided money to help feed and educate orphans and poor children from society. The Julian calendar, which is 365 days a year. Elements of surgery. Wow, they were lit back in the day. They built on the developments that the Greeks made in surgery. They developed many new surgical tools and techniques. They used an early form of antiseptic in surgery. They acknowledged that you need to clean and dip your surgical tools before

use. They developed the idea of the cesarean section and they pioneered battlefield surgery. And for them, being prepared to medically help their soldiers was a key part of being battle ready. Elements of the modern legal system are also from the Romans. The concept of being innocent until proven guilty. Oh, that's so interesting. And newspapers and public press. The Postal Service. Okay, that's it.

That was 10. That's a lot. I'm sure there's more. Right, so now you know i guess men are always thinking about those things oh of course roman numerals the newspaper yeah yeah all these are oh the arches you're right they invented arches aqueducts okay all these things are saying the same thing i just want to make sure we miss anything concrete roads oh like books but in the way that we know them now like with covers and rounded the shape yeah the shape of books like

books invent were like before but that's a lot and so when we talk we're talking romans we're talking about like julius caesar right yeah amongst others this is like such a dumb question like i'll be like actually mortified if you agree. Julius Caesar feels fictional? Those were real people, Caesar. It's not a book. No, but I think it was I think it's like a there's a fictional, not a fictional, but somebody like, there's a book.

Is that Shakespeare? I think it's Shakespeare. Yeah, the Ides of March are, yeah, yeah, yeah. Search Julius Caesar Shakespeare just to confirm. But that does make it feel fictional. Wow. The iPad is listening to us like literally first thing. Well, I wrote William Shakespeare, Julius Caesar. Yeah.

Yeah. He wrote a story about Caesar because he was always thinking about the Roman Empire because he was a man. Now, here's my question. Like we were in school with all these boys who were obsessed with the Roman Empire. And it's like, when did they learn all these things about the Roman Empire that stuck with them? Because like I was in the same class and I have really not.

No memory. I have a very, at best, like grasp. Yeah. What I've shared today is all I know. Right, right. So like, what are they watching and reading? No, it sounded like they were like secret meetings with boys to talk about the Roman Empire.

Or like, were they all jazzed in sixth grade about this social studies lesson about the roman empire like when did the obsession start and where are they learning about it now in present day i don't know because that's something i could get into you know i like to fall down a historical right i could go for the roman empire but what are the best roman shows sound off in the comments sound off in the comments. Sound off in the comments. Where could we learn more? All right. Our first story, a little bit of an update.

Ashton Kutcher has resigned as chairman of his anti-sex abuse organization, Thorn, over the Danny Masterson character statement. So he's stepping back from his leadership role at Thorn, which is an anti-human trafficking organization, which was co-founded by Ashton. The star and producer resigned as board chair in a letter to the board published to the organization's website on Friday. The letter cited Kutcher and Mila Kunis' character letter for convicted rapist and fellow That 70 Show star,

Danny Masterson. Here's what he wrote. After my wife and I spent several days of listening, personal reflection, learning, and conversations with survivors and the employees and leadership at Thorne, I have determined the responsible thing for me to do is resign as chairman of the board effective immediately. I cannot allow my error and judgment to distract

from our efforts and the children we serve. Victims of sexual abuse have been historically silenced and the character statement I submitted is yet another painful instance of questioning victims who are brave enough to share their experiences. This is precisely what we have all worked to reverse over the last decade. The mission must always be the priority and I want to offer my heartfelt apology to all victims of sexual violence and everyone at Thorne who I know, who I hurt by what I did. And to the broader advocacy community,

I am deeply sorry. So. This to me makes no sense. Oh, actually, yeah, I think it makes sense and it makes no sense because. It's like, okay, you harmed the community so now you're going to help them less? No, I know. I actually think him stepping down from this organization that he

started like he didn't have to step down it's his like company um he doesn't like this company actually does like amazing life-saving work and like he doesn't want his bullshit to be like for people now to doubt the organization or for the right the organization's reputation to like who would doubt the organization some haters on twitter Twitter? They can still do the work that they're doing. No, I think like in the advocacy community, this is like a really big scandal. Like it's a big scandal for us, of course, but like.

But if the work is the work. The work is the work, I agree. But I actually can respect like him. Actions speak louder than words. I can respect him not wanting like his scandal right now to affect this company that he's built over the last 10 years. Like I can actually,

I can understand that line of thinking. Okay. What I don't understand is like so so he's not gonna work for it anymore so he were but so the company will will not have at like his whatever he contributes the list money connections and whatever like no what i don't understand is like so he's so i had they have completely reneged on the letter. Like, them writing the letter was kind of this brave choice. They had to have thought it through extensively before deciding to do it. And just in an instant, they, like, I don't, I just, that to me,

so they didn't know, they've worked in advocacy for 10 years. They've built this organization, and they didn't know the harm in writing that letter. Like they knew, and it was a tough position and they decided to do it. But now they're like, Oh,

I'm sorry. I wish I didn't do it. Let me like, let me like erase everything I've ever done and change my whole life. Right. But so now, you know, the theory that made,

that they were blackmailed into it. It's like the only way I can really seriously like understand this story. I, I just don't like understand this story. I, I just don't understand them like as people right now. Yeah. Like stand for something like this is so I feel unnecessary and crazy to me that they would really like just continue to just debase themselves.

Like you, okay. Like you wrote the letter, but this is your company and you want to help victims of sexual violence walking away like so do the work and help them don't do less work you know that's actually a very fair way of looking at it that's that's how i read it which is like okay the whole time yes you wrote the letter but we can always use their advocacy work to show how much they care about who deeply care and support. So now you're not going to support the victims anymore.

So you really don't. It's like a self-fulfilling thing. I think like a lot of people expected this. I think of it as like a PR move. I think it's a horrible PR move. Me too. Just like I thought the apology was a horrible PR move. I think everything that they're doing is horrible PR moves.

And I really can't believe that there are people advising them. And even the two of them themselves, I can't be smart enough to see that they are doing is horrible PR moves. And I really can't believe that there are people advising them. And even the two of them themselves, I can't be smart enough to see that they are literally like ruining their reputations by standing for absolutely nothing. And now they're taking away from themselves like the one good thing that they were doing. Yeah, no, I completely agree.

And it's like, if he's stepping down in name only and still gonna work behind the scenes and provide everything he's providing to the organization, then this is just- A lie. A lie and phone, like- So what would you have said would have been the best they wrote the letters and everybody found out right what would you do a strong statement about who they are what they do and why they did what why they made the decision that they made

as best as they could explain it to people who will never understand. I think they should have just shut the fuck up. Like, write the letter. Or that. You obviously, I can't diminish the position they were put in being asked to write those letters by Danny's family and, like, his daughter. I imagine that was incredibly difficult. Like, I can respect that it was a hard decision,

and they came to the conclusion that they were going to write the letters. Mm-hmm. We would not be talking about it today. We would have talked about it last week when it came out and be like, oh, that's so crazy. Even that apology, we would have talked about it. And we would have wondered. We would have been like, oh, when it came out and be like, oh, that's so crazy. Even the apology,

we would have talked about. And we would have wondered. We would have been like, oh, what a crazy time. I wonder why they did it. I wonder what the, we would have wondered, but we wouldn't know as much as we know now.

And I think we would not still be talking about it. It would be something we moved on from. They would be pretty unmarred by it. And then like, you know, it would be one of those things we always like be like, how crazy was that? Yeah, that was a weird thing they did.

But even they then apologized and they should have let it end with that. I don't know what's going on behind the scenes for them, what's going on in the advocacy world, but they're two people who don't really need a lot of the internal politics that other people, like they have the money, they have the clout, they have the friends and people who will help them.

If they don't even need help, they can do all of this work with on their own on their own so i don't know why they keep dragging it out and just like they keep like hitting themselves against the wall like bad ashton bad it's like no you made a decision what was it the one i would have made no but you made a decision stick with it yeah like stand by what really what from this this experience we've what have we learned what do they stand for I don't know now they don't even stand for thorns right that work that they do and I can't how do they have one fan left they've pissed off everyone everyone with every opinion about what they did nobody is

watching this being like, Ashton and Miller are doing the right thing. No, it's like, it's very poorly handled. Yeah. Which is so crazy because you know, they have the best of the best crisis PR publicists. I just, I don't know. I feel like someone is intentionally blowing up their careers.

And I feel the same way about probably what's our next story about the shows that were coming back that are no longer coming back. Where it's like, why are people- Would you like to go to our next story, about the shows that were coming back that are no longer coming back, where it's like, why are people- Would you like to go to the next story? Yeah, go to the next story, because it feels like people are seriously like deciding to blow up their careers.

Yes. Because they're just done with it. Because they're bored. No. So Drew Barrymore has now decided to pause her talk show following the backlash and made the strikes. I'm not going to read this article. Here's what happened.

She said she was bringing her show back. She did it in like a very weird, wishy-washy, like granola statement that really didn't explain her reasonings. Yeah. So there was backlash. And I think it was part and due to the fact that people just didn't understand why she was doing it. Had she given a good reason, i.e.

Bill Maher. Bill Maher's bringing his show back. People aren't rioting. He wrote a Facebook post because his listeners are quite old. And he was like, listen, I sympathize with the writers I'm on their team but there are hundreds of other people who work for my show who are not protected by a union who are going broke in solidarity with this union like they need to work and so I'm bringing my show back without writers I'm not going to do my monologue because that's what the writers are the show won't be as good because I don't have

writers but you know what people will get the show will go on it was so clear why he did it what his reasonings were and you know what? People will get paid. The show will go on. It was so clear why he did it, what his reasonings were. And you know what? I could understand it. Like actually I agree. She, and so then she did another video, Drew,

after the backlash that was even less clear. She was crying. It was a mess. And then she ended up deleting it. So all these big decisions being made, this is a million, honestly,

a billion dollar brand she has has like with the TV show, the makeup, she puts out this blurry crying video and deletes it. Like I can't get behind that. And now she's not bringing her show back. And I don't know what crisis PR person in the world would let all this happen. Would let all this happen.

So I have to imagine she doesn't have PR, but like she's true. She definitely does. She has PR. And what's so funny is, you know who I think doesn't have PR, but like she's Drew. She definitely does. She has PR. And what's so funny is, you know who I think doesn't have PR? Bill Maher. Yeah.

Bill Maher just wrote out his feelings and his thoughts and they were concise and clear. Right, but I feel like Bill Maher gets a lot of backlash for stuff. Like he knows what he stands for. He works in politics. So it's like very, I feel like every time he releases an episode,

there's like people for it and against it. But he never like retracts or whatever. So he's kind of been through this before. I think for people who haven't been through like the backlash culture cycle it's extremely jarring but you have to stand your ground especially if you made your decision with good reason right how are you gonna let like people on twitter just decide for you for you and for your team and your employees like if if you're going to work or if you're not going to work. Yeah. The Drew thing is so weird to me.

She just like walked into the fire, got burned, walked out, walked back in. Yeah. Like walk out and leave. Yeah. She also, she was one of a few shows that were deciding to come back. Jennifer Hudson was bringing back her talk show, The Talk on CBS. And the whole backlash fell on Drew, which isn't fair, but she's the most famous.

Her show is probably the most popular. And she was the first to do it. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But like, not to be so rude, like who watches The Talk, okay? So now all those other shows are following Drew. They're all pausing too.

No, and I feel like someone has decided to ruin these people's careers this is so uncharacteristic of drew no sense it's it's such bad strategy it appears as if there's no strategy but i have to imagine for a show this big a celebrity this famous yeah there is some sort of uh team yeah but it looks it looks seriously like chaos, like burning down. For what? For nothing. To not even end up doing what you set out to do.

Right. Right. So you're back in the same position, but now everybody hates you and you're back where you started, which was that there was no show. Right. And I, she never even ended up saying what her reasoning was,

but I'm just assuming. I'm sure it's the exact same reason to Bill Maher. People need to get paid. There's people outside of the writers who are going broke in solidarity with the strike and we're going to support the strike as much as we can while also keeping lights on and food on the table for a number of other people.

A hundred percent. And the most important thing, and people, especially online, are so quick to like use words and labels so she's being called a scab crossing the picket line and it's so important to remember her bringing her show back jennifer hudson bringing her show back is not in violation of the strike it's a sag approved thing right so she's literally not breaking any rules but she's still being labeled and who's breaking like cultural rules right in this culture like those labels stick so hard she'll be known as a scab for the rest of her life like who the fuck

wants that? But you have to think that she knew that that was going to happen when she brought her show back which was kind of admirable that she did because she was like gonna do it. Because it was like a crazy thing. It was a crazy thing but the livelihoods of the people who work on her show were more important than what people online were gonna call her. But I guess but that's no longer true so in her third statement since this saga this is what she wrote okay i have listened to everyone and i'm making the decision that's the problem you shouldn't have listened to everyone listen to yourself i am making the decision to pause the show premiere until the strike is over i have no words to express my deepest apologies to anyone i hurt we really need to relax with language. You didn't stab anyone.

No one got hurt in the Drew Barrymore crisis of this week. And of course, to our incredible team who works on the show and has made it what it is today. She added that she really tried to find a way forward with production as the film industry enters its fourth month of being on strike. SAG-AFTRA joined the Writers Guild of America on the picket line on July 14th. I truly hope for a resolution for the entire industry very soon, Drew concluded. So many statements, so little things being stated. I just didn't see like this year,

Drew Barrymore, like acting a fool, like so messy. Yeah, this is a crazy trend. Yeah. To me, it's the same thing as Ashton and Mila. Like, you made a choice. Exactly. You can't stand by it, and you just continue to debase yourself. No, but you made a choice. It wasn't a light choice. No. I'm sure Drew thought really hard.

She knew there would be some pushback. I'm sure she thought really hard about bringing her show back. I'm sure Ashton and Mila thought really hard about whether or not they wanted to write these letters. They both made big decisions, really had to think it through. They're all grown people. Right. Weird.

Something's in the water. Nobody's working in Hollywood and they've all gone mad. Mm-hmm. I also want to say I've seen some like, you know, crying online that like Dancing with the Stars is, it's a WGA show. Like they do have writers for like, you know, Tyra Banks. Yeah. And so like them returning is like, I'm telling you Dancing with the Stars is never gonna air they're next it's just a feeling I have are they getting backlash I guess the thing it's just starting up now is there's not one person you can yell at

it's not gonna fall on Drew no it's not gonna fall on Julianne Hough right it's not gonna fall on Jamie Lynn Spears yeah so the backlash will kind of be leveled for everyone. And I think they could withstand it. That's what I think. That's a good point. I'm so excited to get into our next story. But before we do, I have to let you know that today's episode is brought to you by Branch Basics. Oh, we're going to be here for an hour.

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Oh, some very sad news. We didn't talk about this on Friday, did we? Am I having amnesia? Hugh Jackman and his wife? No. Okay, divorce. He's devastated. Not wearing his ring.

27 years. Now everyone's like, obviously everyone's like, duh, he's gay. Me, I'm like, snitch, get in there. Oh yeah, I heard snitch was spotted outside his building. I have an incredibly hot take. I don't think Hugh Jackman is gay. Me, I'm like, snitch, get in there. Oh, yeah. I heard snitch was spotted outside his building. I have an incredibly hot take. Like, I don't think Hugh Jackman is gay. Like, he literally works in theater. If he wanted to, he would.

Like, there's no shame in being gay, especially in the theater. Like, it's the most welcoming. No, and he's in Hollywood. He's in every single room where being gay is totally no one's. And I know everyone's like, well, I heard. I don't think he's gay. Like, if he wanted to i know everyone's like well i heard yeah i don't think he's gay like if he wanted to be gay he would be gay no like why would he be closeted at this point in his life he's 57 how old is he hold on he's old yeah he's 54 excuse me she's 67 i didn't realize she was an older lady with an older lady yes i lady. Yes, I knew that. Debra Lee Furness.

It was like always a nice thing about him that he had this like nice Hamish looking wife at home and he's like this, you know, Hollywood heartthrob. But, not to get ahead of myself, I'm gonna add him to the list. See if there's anyone. What about Sofia Vergara? Obsessed.

Obsessed. I just couldn't see her getting into the theater. Do you know what I mean? No. If you are dating or married to Hugh Jackman, you have to support him. He was just on Music Man, which was like, you have to go every night. Honestly. It's a lot.

The theater is not for the faint of heart. No. It's a lot of sitting around watching dancing. Yeah. Maybe, yeah, sure, the first couple of weeks, it's fun. But for a life, I couldn't do it. If Ben said I want to join the theater, I'd say call a lawyer. I'm out. Yeah. What if he said, I want to join the theater I'd say call a lawyer I'm out yeah what if he said I want to join the theater but you don't have to attend my performances oh that's fine okay it's good to have hobbies yeah yeah so this is sad because it's

a long-term marriage but it does open up potential and I know that snitch somewhere is very excited yeah Margot Autry's in love with him and she doesn't have like a history of like really liking gay men. No, just old men. Like that Olivia Rodrigo song, All the Guys I Like Are Gay. Like Margot doesn't have that. I'm telling you, he's not gay. No, I don't. Like, I just don't think he would be gay and not come out.

Like, that just doesn't make sense. He's a grown man. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think he's gay. And, you know, a 27- year marriage is still a success very sad to see it end but of course a world of possibilities are now open for him you added him to our list yeah yeah it's kind of like a younger list i know he likes an older woman we're kind of like our

list is kind of ageist yeah but not anymore not anymore he's i mean severely but i'm at deborah lee for nest too she's. She'll really bring the. But she's, like, not famous. No, it's not fair. We can't put her up. We can't put her on. There's no one on this list for Hugh Jackman. Well, let's think about some, you know, older ladies.

So he's 57. So anyone. I mean, he could go younger. What about Reese Witherspoon? She's married. Oh, no, she's divorced. She should be on on the list we kind of need to make like a separate list I know like not to be ageist but like it's less interesting yeah I don't see Hugh with a fellow star I don't either that's just because I haven't yet now that I'm looking at pictures of him like I'm thinking like okay let's say he's gay I don't think we'll ever live in a world where he would come out I think he would

like I think he really loves Debra Lee and to be married for 27 years like maybe he would find it like disrespectful to her or like he wouldn't want to like embarrass her I just I don't think he's gay but if he was I don't think he would tell us at this point right but how are you going to live your life? I know, like that. I don't know. I don't know if we'll ever understand Hugh Jackman. Hold on, there's another article.

Oh, Hugh Jackman and wife addressed rumors that he's gay years before splitting. I just clicked on this link from page six. And the rumors are just because he's in the theater, not because like- Anybody saw him sucking dick. Like, yeah. So his sexuality has been questioned throughout his career, but he and his now ex-wife deborah

were always always ready to shut down these rumors in 2013 he told australia 60 minutes that he felt frustrated over the constant speculation he said it's to me not the most interesting thing about a person anyway i do get frustrated for deb because i see Deb go, ah, this is just crazy. And Deb's chimed in and said, if he was gay, fine, he would say he's gay. It's annoying because it's not true. In a separate interview with The Hollywood Reporter that same year, Hugh Jackman shared that he that the rumors about him being gay had started to take a toll on his then wife. He said just recently it bugs her. She goes, it's big, it's everywhere. He added, noting that the Australian actress would peruse the Internet often and spiral afterwards however she later appeared to have a better sense of humor about the chatter surrounding jackman's sexuality during a q a um in 2020 the mother of two

reportedly quipped of her then husband he's been gay so many years i was gay too you know when i did shame i was gay they were shocked when i got married it's like someone's saying to elton john he's straight i'm sure he'd be pissed. All right, well, if they're talking about it. That didn't really clear anything up. No, and I think like this is gonna be obviously like one of the meaner things that I've said, but it's just like a fact of life.

I think people look at them as a couple and like assume, you know, he's this Hollywood starlet. He's with like an older, lesser known lesser known you know she's a beautiful woman but people think they're ill-matched that's what i don't feel that way i just want to say because you're like smiling at me like just because you said those shoes are not yeah meant to be worn on a beautiful woman right i did say it just like her like with the same intonation and rhythm you did but i can't think of one reason why Hugh Jackman would be gay and not come out. Well, it's very possible.

You know, we live in amazing times where like, you know, there's no shame. You can be whoever you want to be. But I don't think you and I could really like understand like there's so much shame. And like most, I would say, you know, know gay young men they conquer the shame in their late teens early 20s and most people come out but maybe he's still stuck in it and I don't think he's gay it's like everybody knows him better than he knows himself right right no like I don't think he's gay like I I don't so I don't so that's out on that great um speaking of I don't know Katy Perry has sold her catalog rights to litmus music and guess how much she

sold it for did you see in the no guess how much her like catalog of music is worth a lot yeah 300 million good guess 225 I mean in this dark economy she should take what she can get so after months of rumors, Katy Perry has sold her music to Litmus Music, the Carlyle-backed company co-founded by former Capitol Records president Dan McCarroll for a whopping $225 million. They announced the deal on Monday

and includes her stakes in her master recording and publishing rights for the five albums she released between 2008 and 2020, which are One of the Boys, Teenage Dream, Prism, Witness, and and smile it's so crazy like teenage dream and prison like that's where the value is yeah like yeah witness one dollar smile zero after years as a major superstar during the 2010s wow that's how they refer to her now a major superstar during the 2010s she has slowed her career focusing on her residencies in las vegas her philanthropy work and raising family with her partner actor orlando bloom um

that's interesting because how much did justin bieber sell his music for because i always felt like his was so low your ipad is so fucking loud justin bieber i feel like it was like 300. And I feel like his should be way more music. More than Katy Perry, you think? No, because Justin Bieber's songs are really big, but it's him that's so, you know what I mean? It's like his fans.

That's true. And the money had been made from those songs already. 200 million plus. That makes sense to me. To me, that felt low for him. Actually, he has a lot of big hits, like the more contemporary stuff. Like he has-

Like what do you mean? Even in his like bad boy years, he had like two enormous hits come out every year. Yeah. To me, I remember when I saw this, I felt like it was low, but to me, 225 for Katy Perry feels right. But maybe it's because she hasn't released like an actual banger that like changed the wave of music for 10

years actually but the more I think about it like these are two people who are big megastars in the 2010s they probably have the same number of albums it tracks I actually completely disagree I feel like Justin Bieber is so his music is so Right, but he sold his old stuff. But that includes like Peaches. Like that includes things from the last couple of years. Like Katy Perry has not released a song like that anyone listened to in at least seven years. I listened to When I'm Gone, I'm Never Really Gone.

Like that was a collab with Kygo. That's not like a big song. I just added it to my like songs on Spotify. So for some reason, whenever I think of like masters, I can think about the Justin Bieber one because I feel like he did a bad deal. When I think of masters, I hear, think of Taylor. Well, of course, but we don't know what hers are worth

because she never got to buy them. But I thought we knew how much they were bought for in the 300s. The 300s. Well, it's so crazy. Is that actually? So it sounds like everybody, if Taylor's 300 and Justin's 200 actually so it sounds like everybody it if taylor's 300 and

justin's 200 then it sounds like you're saying that katie got paid a lot more than you think she's working but i disagree i think i think katie actually got a very good fair deal fair i think justin bieber got a bad deal do you think taylor got a bad deal well well not taylor how much time do you have right well no at the time think about like who she was at the time. That was like lover time. She was kind of like a pop star in crisis, like in the lover time. I think she like didn't really, she was getting older. She didn't know how to navigate being like a pop star, bubblegum pink,

like with being a mature older woman and her songwriting. Like the lover era was, and I feel like we talk about that a lot, how like I am now uncovering like elements of the lover era that are so amazing. And I don't think I took it seriously at the time because it was so corny and it did feel inauthentic to her at the time. And that's why like ever more folklore and midnights did so well. Cause they felt so real to like who she was. So now I think the entire,

her entire catalog of music has to be worth half a million dollars. But at the time I think 300 was a good price. I also don't know, like what do they do with this music when they buy it like what is it they make money off of it but like how much money and then what things so like i don't actually know what you should pay for a song right i'm just comparing it to other people what's that that crazy thing like somebody owns michael jackson's music or like michael jackson owns the beatles yeah or elton johnson like it somebody owns michael jackson's music or like michael jackson owns the beatles yeah or elton johnson like it's crazy michael jackson owns the beatles like the rights to like a lot of their music yeah that's so crazy and bizarre

yeah so random and speaking of kitty perry i was just watching an interview with miranda kerr where she was just talking about like how much she loves kitty perry and like i'm obsessed with that whole dynamic yeah like Evan Spiegel Miranda Kerr Orlando Bloom Katy Perry like obsessed it's giving blended it's giving blended but blended beautiful blended when I think of like beautiful blended I think of like a thousand kids like they only just have one kid and they really like do everything they can for the kid it's like so nice but Miranda and Evan have yeah no I'm talking about the shared child between it's Orlando Bloom and Miranda Kerr's baby, right? Yeah.

Yeah. So that's why they all have to co-parent, like vacations. And she was talking about how like they plan all their trips. They call Katie. Like she like really likes Katie because she genuinely does, but because she like made an effort to also. It was like really sweet. That is really nice.

And I just like, I'm obsessed with Miranda Kerr. Yeah. Like her life is everything. Okay, we have one more story. But before we get into that story. Passion queen over here. The passion never ends because I have one more thing to say. Say it, Jax.

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Who's the main character of The Toast? I mean, I don't think we should go there. Like, it's not good to pit women against other women. I feel like we go through eras, like, you are recently coming out of your main character. Like, the last couple months're about you, you know. Oh, really? But you were like doing.

I was more physically on camera. Yes. But like everyone was like talking and worried about you. And it's like I, you know, and just like the lowly street rat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's interesting to think about.

Kim Kardashian scolds her son Saint for giving the middle finger to paparazzi. He is seven years old. So Kim Kardashian was in full mom mode when she scolded her eldest son Saint for giving the middle finger to paparazzi. He is seven years old. So Kim Kardashian was in full mom mode when she scolded her eldest son Saint for using a rude hand gesture. The Skims founder looked stern when she noticed that the seven-year-old holding his middle finger up to the paparazzi after leaving his basketball game on Friday in Los Angeles. The mother of four stepped out in a strapless top

and high-waisted jeans alongside her son. Why do we care what she's wearing? The youngster saint was wearing his white basketball jersey you just have to hit a word count i know like he was wearing a white basketball jersey when the trio part of doing the stories where you have to like you know read quickly and jump okay so saint giggled after flashing his middle finger which resulted in a scolding from his mom who briefly covered his face with her hand these pictures are really funny.

And then later in the day, she took Northwest to dinner at Nobu Malibu. It's like so weird. What a fun day. No, this is like such a normal picture of like they're in some parking lot, like clearly going to Chili's or something. Like they're in their school uniforms. He's with his friend.

The friend's face is blurred. That's good. But not, I guess, Saint is a public figure. Yeah, they don't blur. This is just like such an oddly intimate affair. like it looks like it could be any family i mean not that the moms are ever dressed like him but right it's just so security but it's so um regular yeah like why does the paparazzi why are they at chili's with that right they're definitely going to like like literally applebee's neighborhood grill for like after dinner I mean after practice sliders yeah I was speaking of sliders um Jackie and I

no we have lunch covered today we ordered early like we're not dumb we're so smart but Jackie and I have been um I signed up for Discovery Plus and Jackie and I have been just kind of I've really been like feeling it's been raining here a lot in the afternoons it's so hot so we play outside and then honestly by three o'clock it's so exhausting and it starts to rain so it's like a perfect time to shower read watch tv I love it I love what I hope it rains today like I love it so yesterday we were all laying in bed I'm like I think we should watch like a cooking show so I bought discovery plus seven day free trial so if I don't like it I'm gonna cancel it like tomorrow but I've really been enjoying it and I was really wanting to watch like Ina or Pioneer Woman or Giada like an OG like food

network girly and Jackie was like you should watch Joanna Gaines and honestly you didn't trust I had preconceived notions you did so she put on every other show first and it was just not giving like the vibe especially the old school shows like we look at them so fondly but the way that we're used to consuming content today they don't measure up blurry and it's like but honestly i really and i'm gonna be totally honest like i didn't want to watch joanna like she's too thin like in my opinion not too thin as like a person if you're gonna be on like a cooking show like i want like a big breasted like i want a big woman making a balabusta i want a balabusta like sweating over the like i want a big woman to make my food to me that's more believable and you know to be making cookie like giadaiis, to me, she's inauthentic.

Like so much pasta, so much cheese, one pound. Like it's just, it doesn't feel real to me. Like I can't get, I can't get lost. I can't escape because I'm doubting so much of what's going on. And I thought I would experiencing, I would experience that with Joanna. But what she really talks about is she has this big old family.

Yeah, she's really cooking for her kids. Yeah, and her recipes are like simple because they're for children and i i doubted you and once again i was wrong for doing that not only does she cook things that you would want to eat like you know not getting crazy yeah but she uses like the whole ingredients and the show vibe is very nice to look at and it has all of those things like i would i want to eat what she makes we could barely find an episode i don't want to like tarnish another chef right also those other chefs have so many seasons that they've already made sliders yeah now they have to get into the croquembouche we were looking for pioneer woman olivia loves her she had 40 seasons like where do i start and we

chose an episode that was from her covid years oh that yeah i didn't realize like i just clicked on one she's made 40 seasons worth of desserts yeah, we wound up watching a Blackberry crepe cake, which by the way, looked delicious. But if I ever attempted to make that cake, it would take me 24 hours. Yeah, no, she wasn't fooling anyone with those crepes. Right. So just like, wasn't the thing about a cooking show is you want it to be aspirational, but you also want it to be like, Hey, maybe we should try that. No. And what was so fun about the Joanna one is like, we just kept remarking on like her dishes and her kitchen was so beautiful and then you let me know that she actually did a tv show building the magnolia studios for her it was a two-part special that

we're gonna watch tonight behind the scenes of how they set up her studio kitchen she's so like the thing is i invented joanna gaines in this house and i will take that to my grave i've never watched flip or flop fixer upper flip or flop don't get me started grave. I've never watched Flip or Flop. Fixer Upper? Flip or Flop. Don't get me started on Flip or Flop. I've never watched. Tarek's Armtike. That's Flip or Flop. I know. Okay.

I've never watched the Gaines building show. Oh, you should. I don't like building shows. I don't like home shows. Okay. So like, I don't even, I don't have anything against Joanna. Like I love her brand. I love her show.

Like I love her historically. I just, I didn't trust her as a chef. Like she just doesn't give me you know chefy vibes BWE big woman energy and I was wrong and that's what I get for judging someone and for doubting me because I told you what was the exact content you were looking for and it was like we searched we just watched so many bad episodes of like Barefoot Contessa like we just couldn't find like the vibe we were looking for and Jackie was like chiming in in the back of the bed like put on Joanna we were like shut up like the vibe we were looking for. And Jackie was like chiming in in the back of the bed. Like put on Joanna.

We were like shut up Jackie. And then we eventually put on Joanna. And she was right. It was everything. It was. Yeah she makes tasty looking food. She has a calming presence. She has gorgeous kitchenware.

She cooks nicely. Yeah. Swiftly. Not so you know complicated. Yeah. But like Ina makes like really sophisticated dishes. She's making a chocolate truffle. Like I don't want that.ina makes like really sophisticated dishes honestly like she's making a chocolate truffle like i don't want that we were looking for we were like really hungry so we were looking for like someone to make like a whole episode of delicious desserts and aina had one

called chocolate chocolate chocolate or whatever and first thing she made was i forget but it was fine and then she starts making these truffles and it's like, girl, make a cake. Like, Duncan Hines. Like, what's so complicated? Duncan Hines? What'd you just say? Duncan Hines. What's that? Excuse me?

Duncan Hines. Duncan Hines? What are you saying? What are you saying? You don't know what Duncan Hines is? No. It's a brand. Maybe I'm saying it wrong.

D-U-N-K-I-N space. No, D-U-N-C-A-N. d-u-n-c-a-n it's like the box brand of like brownies everything you buy oh i don't know it i've never noticed it then duncan hines yeah no look let me show you like the box you obviously wait are you fucking with me like no that's like you saying you don't know like mrs. bedding crocker Like all these boxes. I never noticed. Let's go get one. Okay. I would love to make a cake.

Oh yeah, I think we should bake. I think so too. We could make Joanna's ranger cookies. Also what I like about Joanna, she has cookbooks. I've made a few of her recipes and they are tasty. They work. So Kim Kardashian's son gave the middle finger to paparazzi. What I was going to say about that was now that I'm a parent,

like I have stronger feelings about certain things, but I haven't entered that area where like if Harry was seven, a rogue finger and gave the middle finger to someone who maybe deserved it. Right. I don't know how I would feel about it. He has somebody who maybe deserved it. That's the question. Right.

If he was giving the middle finger at school to his teacher. Stop. I'm obsessed. But like, I don't know. I imagine I would like, be like, don't do that i imagine i would like be like don't do that but i might find it like secretly you would chuckle chuckle chuckle i might chuckle so that's your show angel if you're watching this do not do it angel if you're watching this come to your auntie i miss you so much koja koja koja he calls me koja Like Koja Cat Koja Cat Yeah that's how we spell it

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