The Toast - Men Can't Gossip with Paige DeSorbo: Thursday, September 28th, 2023

Episode Date: September 28, 2023

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Good morning, Millennials! Welcome back to The Toast. Happy Thursday. I'm so excited to be joined by a co-host who was so heavily requested. The Giggly Girlies are here. It's Paige DeSorbo! So excited! Thank you! Thank you for coming! No, I actually... Oh wait, sorry. Can you move your mic closer to your mouth?

I actually dressed a little comfy today because I feel like I do my best gossip comfortable. Like, this is what happens. People come, because you've been on a few few times and every time you come you stunt on these hoes with your outfits and I'm here like in my toast merch and leggings and sneakers and this happens with Taylor Strecker. It happens with Shannon Ford and honestly I'm like I need to step my pussy up. Wait can we talk about how good Taylor Strecker has been looking? I'm obsessed. Like I always envisioned her as like just like a rich woman. Yes that's her aesthetic. She's giving like full rich woman. No, she looks so good. I'm so happy for her.

Every time she comes on the toast, all we do is talk about Ozempic. Like it's the only thing to talk about. Like if you needed Ozempic, would you take a pitch? I could find a way to bring up Ozempic in everyday life. I would take it in a minute. It's a life-changing drug. Taylor and I are kind of like the face of it or like the body of it, I guess I would say. No, I love it.

And she looks so good. Yeah, she does. And so I decided to like get my best, my Sunday best out for you. Yeah, you look amazing. You're kind of raising the bar for everyone. Constantly. I appreciate that. No, we appreciate you.

I just try and, I do it for the girls. For the girls. And the gays. I do it for the girls and the gays. And I have to say, you get so, we get so many requests whenever we do maternity leave. Like bring Paige back. And one of my favorite, like because I'm like a sleuth and the gays. I do it for the girls and the gays. And I have to say, we get so many requests whenever we do maternity leave, like bring Paige back. And one of my favorite, because I'm like a sleuth and I'm annoying, one of my favorite things to do is bring people on the toast and see other episodes perform.

Because everybody acts on social media like, I'm so great. I have so many followers. No, I get it. But it's interesting to see who translates. The numbers don't lie. They don't. And I wanted to tell you, the last time you were here, I think you were maybe in the top three.

Yeah. And Hannah, the Giggly Girlies love you. Because I feel like the Toast Girlies and the Giggly Girlies have equal amount of like mental health issues so we're all the same. Yes and I'm so glad to be catching you in this time of year because like you're kind of everywhere. First of all you're on multiple reality shows so you're of course we know her queen of southern I mean of Summer House. Yep. But you're also now like a girly on Southern Charm. And I tried really hard to like not be a girly

on Southern Charm. I was like, I don't, I don't, I have my own thing, group of people who are crazy that I'm dealing

with their drama. I don't know if I could take on a whole second crew. Another crew. But then things happen and I can't shut up. And both the shows that you're on right now

are having like monumental seasons well we haven't seen Summer House yet but of course we all know Carl and Lindsay yeah now on Southern Charm Taylor and Austin like was that like crazy to you or did you like see that coming it was crazy because I in real time like was finding things out so like an episode is gonna come out where like I find out like the Taylor and like Olivia of it all. And my face, I'm just like shocked. Shocking.

No, it's crazy. I feel like it's me and Jackie were having this conversation. It's kind of the equivalent. It's like a Scandival of Southern charm. But the only thing is, is like Ariana was the victim in Scandival and she's like a sympathetic victim. People like aren't going to be out here crying for Shep. He's just like not made himself like a really sympathetic character.

Right, right, right. And also because he cheated. Right. So it's like he's not like a scorn. And they were broken up. But it's really the. And he's a man. So like nobody cares.

Like who cares. Wait, I love that you said that men shouldn't write. They shouldn't. Because I don't think they should be in the arts like at all interesting we also don't believe that they should have cooking shows that's disgusting which is an art in and of itself but they shouldn't have them they shouldn't and then Cody Rigsby came on the toast yesterday and he's on this like promo tour for his book and he was like I heard you think men can write and I was like well first of all you're gay so

like you're obviously better it doesn't count he said he agreed yeah and then I was like I was mostly talking about like fiction, storytelling. Yeah. Men can't tell stories. No, they can't. Unless it's their own. Right. Like they can't.

They can't gossip. No. At all. No, Ben is the worst. I was going to say, is Ben a good gossiper? No, mostly. And this is where we differ. He like doesn't care.

I'm like, what is that like not caring about? If you told me about like a crazy thing that happened to your home friend who I've never met, I would think it was the craziest thing. And you would have a dynamite follow-up question. Of course. And then I would find a way to like connect. I'm like, oh, I know her friend from college. Yeah.

You know? And then you're down a rabbit hole. So Ben doesn't care, but Ben like gets good information because Ben's like this affable guy. Yeah. And everybody who meets him like kind of just like trusts him.

Yeah. He does have that like where I'll tell you my whole life story. We call it the Ben effect. Yeah. He can get anything. Like people love Ben. He's such a good like networker connector.

Like if I wanted tickets to the Super Bowl, he would have like I said to Ben a few days ago, I'm like, I want to go to the Jets game on Sunday. Yeah. And because they think Taylor Swift is going to be there. And it came out yesterday that she actually is going to be there. So like the prices for tickets are like so crazy. Ben got two different options. He said, Which one do you want?

Wait. I'm obsessed with that. You ever need anything? Call Ben. He'll do it. Because Ben's really smart. He um he like his form of currency of his is like favors. He's like, Oh I just did a favor for this guy, so let me ask him for this. Wait, that's so Mafia, Ben, and I love it. It's called The Benefactor, and I think we could all really learn from him. Yeah, I think so, too.

Yeah, and he calls himself Ben Sopper Celebrity. But, like, the reason why, you want to hear the funniest story? I forget, I think we were in Portugal, and we were talking about how, like, such ugly pictures come up of us on Google. Yeah. And he was trying to find this one that,

that we, like, that he, like, hates so much, but he couldn't find it. And then the conversation moved on and he pulled out his phone and we all look over at his phone. He had been looking for the photo and he searched Ben Soffer celebrity. And we roasted him endlessly,

but now it kind of stuck. BSC, Ben Soffer celebrity. Wait, that's amazing. Yeah, and he honestly is a celebrity. I wish I had half the confidence any man I've ever met it's so true it's kind of wild sometimes true I'm just it's enviable yeah but yeah men can write they shouldn't be in the arts they shouldn't have cooking shows and Cody Rigsby said yesterday too

they shouldn't be Super Bowl performers but we made we made the exception for Usher because he's got charisma Cody called him like a slut and I. But don't you feel like Taylor Swift is gunning for that position next year? So I could literally write a dissertation on Taylor Swift in the Super Bowl. For many years, it was the Pepsi halftime show. And Taylor had done like a very long, I want to say like five-year contract with Diet Coke that had a non-compete. And I think it had a non-compete for many years after. So she wasn't eligible.

Okay, got it. Okay, I didn't know know this you are my Taylor Swift guru I know can I just say you made my Taylor Swift experience yes I want to talk about that we went to the Taylor Swift concert together and Craig was like hyped up he's like I'm a big Taylor Swift fan yeah and like halfway through the concert he turns and he's like why don't I know any of these songs he's like didn't know one song he's like maybe I'm not like a Taylor Swift fan. It's just like a really long concert. So yeah, you know the hits like five or 10, but there's 40 songs.

No, when you leaned over and said, if you have to pee, you should go now, was just one of my favorite. I was like, oh my God, I would have missed an amazing part. You're like, she's going to talk for a long time. Five minutes and you can go to the bathroom now. And that was great. It was a good time to go to the bathroom, wasn't it. You nailed it. So we're going to talk about Taylor Swift and any

questions you might have. Oh but so that's why she didn't do it because of Diet Coke. Then it switched to Apple Music. Now I think it's only like year two of Apple Music but she's been on the Eris tour so like it doesn't really you know work with her schedule. Got it. So I do believe it has to be coming up. Yeah for sure. In the next few years. There's a few people who it's like, why haven't you done it, Carrie Underwood? Why haven't you done it, Pink? Why haven't you done it, Kelly Clarkson? Because in my head, they've all done it. No, I know.

But then it's like when you look back, it's like Coldplay's done it three times. Bruno Mars has done it two times. Beyonce's done it two times. They recycle certain people, but they don't bring in new talent. And doesn't Carrie sing the song? Yes, that's what we were talking about on Monday. She does the like,

NFL Sunday night football like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whoa, Sunday night. Like, she's part of the family.

Yeah. It makes no sense. That makes zero sense. So, we talked about Southern Charm. We need to talk about Summer House. Like, not Summer House breaking the internet

when it came out that Carla Lindsay broke up. And there so much confusion about like what actually I'm sure you're limited in what you can say I'm not gonna push you because like you have a contract and I honor that you know like what the fuck is going on okay it's so interesting because this summer definitely very different from any other summer we've had did Did you get out of bed? I went out every weekend. Look at you. Like literally dancing on tables. Was it as fun as laying in your bed? Like pros and cons for sure.

Like I definitely thought about my bed a lot and was like the first to go. We had a great time this summer to the point where we actually said like the last day of filming like wow what's our reunion gonna be like because it was copacetic yeah it was copacetic i mean obviously there was some drama but it wasn't like so deep and so dark that we were like i'll never speak to that person again it was like chill drama that like normal people have and we were like there's

just gonna be nothing it's gonna be nice and then literally 48 hours later we were like pardon how did you find out the internet like everyone else because you're like it wasn't no one was there besides them too no one was that yeah no one was there I don't even really know like detailed details um I just know I found out through the internet texted Amanda and was like did you see this on like I forget what it even was everywhere yeah literally everywhere and she was like call me and which is one of my favorite texts because when people call me I'm like go away yeah but when somebody when like I'm asking a juicy question they're like you need to call me that's exciting I'm like let me get comfy you know let me change let me take my makeup off yeah let me get comfy. You know, let me change. Let me take my makeup off. Yeah. Let me get my, I like my phone holder so I can like talk with my hands.

I keep one on my nightstand. That is the best. No, it's the best. Yeah. Or when someone says, wait, I forgot to tell you this. Like literally gets me going. Or when you ask a simple gossip question and you get a voice memo in return. Me and Hannah are big voice memo people.

Okay. Influencers love voice memos. I love that because I feel like I don't trust anyone. Yeah. So I don't ever want to type anything. I don't trust myself. Like I don't need to put this in writing. Like let's not be dumb.

Even though it's Hannah. I know. I like, but I also like hearing certain people the way they say things. Intonation. Yeah. It's just different. Uh-huh. Like if Craig sent me a voice note,

I'd be like, you could have texted. Totally. But like if your girlfriend sends you one, you're like, this is juicy. Especially someone like Amanda, because like her and Kyle like really are like, like a, what's the word I'm looking for? Jackie always finds the words I'm looking for. Like where they're like the control room. Like they have, they have Kyle, they have Amanda, they have the girls, they have the guys. Like it's kind of like the center. Yes. Communication center. They're the nucleus. Nucleus. So like getting that I need to call you from her specifically changes the game. Because here's the other thing. Kyle also is notoriously so bad at gossip, but yet gets it all. Yep. So like when we ask him questions, he's like, oh, I don't know. I didn't ask.

It's always the people who get the information who don't appreciate it. him questions he's like oh I don't know I didn't ask it's always the people who get the information who don't appreciate it I've actually been training Craig so hard that now when he's places without me he'll text me and be like don't worry I'm I'm writing it all in my notes like what's happening so Jackie does that with me because I love to gossip but I have the worst memory yeah and like I love a cocktail you know right so you're a simple girl if I'm going to dinner with like somebody who has good gossip or like a dinner with like someone crazy who I just like need to tell Jackie everything they did, like I will go to the bathroom and start anything down.

Like I'm like, oh, I have to pee. And then just like four things. You have to. It's important. Because if you forget something and then it comes to you days later, the gossip just doesn't hit the same as like that next morning. Totally. No, we're bad.

Yeah, I know. Well, like it was just Yom Kippur. Yep. And you're supposed to kind of look at your whole life and be like, what could I be doing better? And it's actually a really big sin in Judaism. This is your new year, right? It's right after New Year.

It's like a day of atonement. It's the most serious day. You're supposed to, it's like when God plans out the year. Like, are you gonna be in the book of life? You have to act right on Yom Kippur. And just be self-reflective. And it's a big thing in Judaism. It's called Lashon Hara.

It means like to speak evil. Okay. But I think like the translation, like I'm not 100% sure like if gossiping and like exchanging information like with like a sister or best friend. Is considered evil. Because we're not speaking evil. We're just sharing information. You're saying facts back and forth to each other.

It's just a conversation. What, you don't want us to talk? I don't know. Like, what are people talking about then? If not each other. That, I don't know. And here's the other thing. When people are like, oh my God, she's such a gossip, or like, I hate gossip,

then you must have a really boring friend group. No, and that's the thing. If you're a part of a friend group and there's one person who is better than everyone and won't gossip, that person is immediately boring and we're talking about you right because you won't participate you're the one that's being talked about it's a self-fulfilling prophecy yeah it's just well it's just a crazy time to be page to sorbo giggly squad everywhere live tour podcast killing it summer house southern charm craig craig how's craig i feel like craig is a full-time job. Craig is a full-time job. He's

really good though. He pitched the first ball at the Orioles game the other night and he was a basket of nerves. I'm sure. Like you would have never known but he was so nervous. I feel like for a man it's actually like girls like they throw like a girl like you can throw it down and it's like so cute. And I was trying to make him feel better, and I was like, look, I genuinely have never seen someone throw the first pitch, like, if I'm at a game. Like, I've never cared. I've never looked up. I'm getting a drink.

I was like, no one's watching. And you know Craig. He didn't love that. He was like, but I feel like people are watching. I was like, no, no, no. As many people as you want to watch are watching. So true. You can make the case.

You're going to be fine. And how did he do? He did great. That's so exciting. But I wouldn't know otherwise. I know that like you're supposed to make it over home plate. Like that's a good one. Yeah, he did.

And so we felt good. That's amazing. We got the content. It's also low key hard. It's really far. It's really far. I couldn't do it. Before he went out to like do it, he turned to me and he was like, never stop recording.

Oh! That's funny. And I was like, this is just the best moment of my life. I was like, you got it. No problem. I guess for a guy, that's like being invited to, like, Fashion Week. No, that was, I could only, like, think of it in those terms. Yeah.

Yeah, so it was a big moment for him. That's huge. Yeah, so we love that. And how was Paige and Craig? Like, I'm just just obsessed Paige and Craig are doing good where are you living now um so I'm in New York like honestly I'm in New York June July August September for summer for summer house and then like September just seems to be a busy month in New York it is U.S. Open Fashion Week yeah just like I can't miss the time the queen of fashion no did you go to the U.S. Open I did and I Yeah, just like I can't miss the tennis girlies. You're the queen of fashion.

No, did you go to the U.S. Open? I did. And I feel like tennis is having a real moment. I know. I was obsessed. But you also like live with Hannah. Right. And Hannah's like tennis obsessed. So it could appear that way.

But I'm here to let you know like in the real world too, it is. Hannah gets some really niche gossip. Ooh. So like Hannah always gets the tennis girly gossip. And it's like I don't know any of these people but I'm so into it. I think I know what you're talking about and we should talk about it after. Okay we'll talk about it after and she also will get stand-up comedy gossip. Oh that's interesting. Because it's very niche. It's a small circle. Very small circle so I'm very invested in

a lot of people's lives that I don't know their last name. I love that. And that's great for me. Because you're collecting information at this point. For a later date. Oh I love that. We'll have to chat later. Yeah. Well today you're here to serve one purpose. Yeah. And that's to be actually to like to be your fabulous page self. But to join me in discussing the Fast Five. What current pop culture stories like are you dying over? I mean I the Taylor Swift Travis Kelce is just like sweeping the nation do you think travis kelsey's hot i do cody described him yesterday as corn fed and i thought that was like the perfect way to describe it okay this is gonna be unpopular and i'm not and i'm not coming for him whatsoever i think i'm crazy you're in the NFL so talented good for you so hot tall there's just something about him

that like when he was saying that he went to Taylor Swift show he made a bracelet with his phone number on it and he was like a little butthurt he she didn't see him after get a grip I got the ick kind of immediately I completely agree not enough people are talking about who he's he's like extremely cringey. And we were making fun of him endlessly because when he invited Taylor to the show, he went on Pat McAfee and he was asked about it. And he said, I told Taylor,

this is the words he actually said and then I'll tell you how he said it. Okay. He said, I told Taylor, you know, I saw you rock the stage at Arrowhead. Why don't you come see me rock the stage at Arrowhead? That's how he invited her to the show. But when he regurgitated his own words on Pat McAfee,

he said, I said, listen, Taylor, I saw you rock the stage at Arrowhead. That's how he invited her to the show. But when he regurgitated his own words on Pat McAfee, he said, I said, listen, Taylor, I saw you rock the stage at Arrowhead. Why don't you come see me rock the stage at Arrowhead? It was ick. No, but she also rocked the stage at Arrowhead. Is it Arrowhead? Yeah. Okay. On her own. Sold it out. You're out there with a hundred guys. Don't equate it. There's empty seats. Don't equate it there's empty seats don't equate the two you are not the same like when I saw the meme like it's so cute of Taylor to go check on the arena while they turn it into the mojo dojo house I lost it I think that's amazing it's so perfectly put yeah like she's doing the most and we're supposed to be impressed by this like football team and there's something about like a really hot guy who and I'm sure he's lovely

and very nice sure I'm sure I love it you like have to say that what are you about to say I'm sure but there's something about a really hot guy who tries to act like oh I'm just like I'm just like really down to earth I'm just like a nice guy like I'm just like from the midwest like no okay I love that because I've met so many of them where I'm like wait but you're actually one of the most diabolical people I've ever met I think like a universal rule is that if you have to say you're down to earth you are not like the girlies that are out here being like I'm so nice or like I am a girl's girl which I feel like I do say that a lot but like girl's girl is different it's like okay well if you have to tell me i feel like you're lying no what are you hiding yeah what's underneath that like if you get along with everyone

everyone will just know right you don't have to say it it's just like it is yeah i agree like people who would claim like the salt of the earth something's wrong something is wrong because you know you never hear his brother jason kelsey say he's you know down to earth because he actually right because i feel like he genuinely is like he he's not thirsty he does his work he goes to his family yeah like he's someone who's just proving that he's down to earth without saying it here's the other thing about it what's the other thing I very much believe that like you have a type yeah especially as a guy like yes a woman is like every guy's type. Yeah. Especially as a guy. Like yes.

A woman is like every guy's type. For sure. Like they'll take whatever they can get. A hole is a hole. Right. Like. But there is some type of an aesthetic there. Taylor looks.

Especially for men. I feel like women are more like. Right. Your personality. Right. Like Taylor dated. A million different looks. Yeah.

And vibes. But we're different. No by the way. Like we can adapt. No because we like see underneath and vibes. But we're different. Like we can adapt. No, because we like see underneath. And by the way, I really feel like for women, me and Jackie always say this, like a man becomes attractive to you based on their personality. Yes. You could say arbitrarily, like, oh, that guy's ugly.

But like when you know him, a woman sees him as beautiful. Like really. Like they get hotter. Oh, for sure. And him and his ex-girlfriends I mean it so different couldn't it couldn't be more different that's why like the whole thing and that's what I was saying and people I love Taylor and I'm championing this relationship like now I'm on board but I think it's important to think critically and be like he is really thirsty I think so too like

the whole friendship bracelet thing it's too much honestly, Craig and I have only been dating for two years and he dated like one girl before me who had blonde hair and I won't let it go. That's interesting. You know, I'm like, but you like blondes. And he's like, gets really mad at me. That's a fair point. I'm like, well, proof is in the pudding, Craig.

Facts don't lie. I think about that too. And I always think like, it's so normal for someone to like date and marry someone who had multiple girlfriends before. and Ben met when we were 18 so like neither of us really had a girlfriend yeah Ben had like one girlfriend I actually know her she's so lovely I've got like only good things to say and you randomly like bring her out I know and they like literally dated for like maybe two months in like freshman year of college but to me it's like my only frame of reference and I will never get over it. I can't imagine like dating someone, meeting someone at like a normal age like 25 or

30. And then they have like five girlfriends. Oh no. I would die. Every girl Craig's even spoken to. Text your girlfriend. Like why don't you text your girlfriend? No. Calling people who Ben has met one time his girlfriend is my favorite activity. I'm gonna start doing it. It's so funny and or whatever Ben's like five minutes late. He said he was supposed to be home at 715 last night. He got home at like 745 and I was like oh how was your girlfriend? Yeah. Like what? Send my regards. I used like a makeup artist one time and the only other person I knew was like a girl that like Craig dated. And I was like oh I'm like using this new makeup artist. Like she used to be your

girlfriend. And he was like who? And I'm like using this new makeup artist. Like she used to be your girlfriend. And he was like, who? And I'm like, you know. Like, hold on. You know who I'm talking about. For sure. It's also a small circle of like makeup artists. You're a girlfriend.

You're a girlfriend. LOL. Well, we're going to dive into the Fast Five. Paige is here to join me. So Paige, I just have one last question for you. Okay. Are you ready for the Fast Five stories that you need to know? I am.

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All right, some Taylor Swift news. Obviously, Travis Kelsey, but this actually isn't about that. It came out yesterday that she has loaned Sophie Turner and her kids a New York City apartment during the bitter legal battle with Joe Jonas. So the superstar singer has been by Sophie Turner's side ever since the actress split from Joe Jonas came to light. She's taken her to dinner, keeping her entertained amid her breakup. But now, page six here is that Swift has even loaned Sophie Turner

a stunning apartment in her own downtown New York City neighborhood that the actress and her children can live in while Turner and Jonas get their complex custody arrangements ironed out. So apparently she keeps a Tribeca pad as an investment property, but has handed the keys over to the Game of Thrones star as a temporary home and says that Sophie Turner has been spotted settling into the famously chic neighborhood, checking out some of the local comfort food spots. And she was photographed yesterday, I think, like, handing off the kids to Joe, because she came out in, like, sweatpants.

I mean, like, a sweatshirt and shorts and put all the kids in the car and then waved goodbye. Wow. And it's, like, in Tribeca. These paparazzi photos are, like, incredibly intimate. It's so crazy to think they live, like, down the street. No, I know. That's what's so crazy about New York and why starting today I'm going out every night and I'm going to the

Jets game because one of my favorite activities is to get dressed and stay alert and just look around for Taylor. I can't believe you and Margot haven't met her. I know. Or at least been at the same event as her. It doesn't seem...

I feel like she knows you guys. I was at the Aris tour. Yeah. And she was there too. I have one time gotten like a package from her. Yeah. With like a handwritten note with merch. Like, but then I never heard from her again.

Do you think she wrote it? No. Right. But I choose to believe that she did. Okay. My one question that I feel like you'll know were Sophie and Taylor friends prior like when Joe and Sophie got together were Taylor and Sophie already friends or they became friends they became friends I believe when the relationship with Joe

started especially because Fearless was being re-released and that's all about Joe so like Taylor brought them into the fold she posted about the song so she was cool with-released and that's all about Joe. So like Taylor brought them into the fold. She posted about the song. So she was cool with Joe. Always cool. And Taylor's a huge Game of Thrones fan. So they had met because Taylor was obsessed with Game of Thrones. And I believe there's a song about Arya and Queen Sansa. I think it's Endgame is about them. Okay. One of the songs like Taylor like always writes about like things in popular culture. She's written songs about like different movies and books. And she's written music about Game of Thrones. She loves it. I'm a big Sophie Turner fan. Me too.

And I think like I'm loving the way this is turning out because when the divorce news first came out, it was like clearly a narrative from Camp Jonas. And it was like really anti-Sophie, anti-mom. And it was actually anti-woman. No, it was so anti-woman. It was like, how dare she go out and work and live. And like she's British. Right. So like they like she's british right like they there's i feel like

british culturally socializing is different like their drinking habits are a little different and yeah i'm just and nobody believed it that's what i loved they're like oh we're getting fed all this information team sophie everyone's so in on like pr stunts now i know we're kind of too smart like you can't really pull one over on the internet anymore and it's interesting being on reality tv because like when things will happen like okay perfect example is carl and lindsey breaking up yeah like but no one's seen anything so it's like you can't keep even keep a secret no till like the season comes out and so people are already like picked their sides pick their sides like sleuths like all these blogs with really no connections

but like making stuff up like right it's true so by the time the season comes out like you kind of fuck sometimes but sometimes it is obviously like when it's not you like it is funny to see certain rumors yes like there was one rumor that carl like got a girl pregnant and she was like crying in a bathroom somewhere. I did hear that. That's not true. When I read that. You're saying that's not true?

I mean, I know. From what I know, no. Right. And like knowing Carl, like no. Yeah. But when I read that, I was like, people are crazy. And that's hilarious. It is.

I also love about this story. I feel like there are so many moments in like pop culture. Like Taylor Swift is kind of like a bankroll for women. Yeah. Like, remember when she paid all of Kesha's legal bills against Dr. Luke? No, I didn't know that. Yeah, because, like, Kesha's entire, like, discography, she was suing.

Wait, that's so nice. She gave her $250,000 to pay her legal fees. That's, like, us getting a cab. Do you know what I mean? It's like, oh oh i'll get you your uber home it's nothing to her but like to kesha she was probably drowning in legal bills she wasn't able to work because her work was owned by this man who she was accusing of sexual harassment and like it was like this terrible situation and here comes queen taylor taking

care of the bill she's giving home to the displaced like she's literally like saving women in crisis she boosted our economy she literally actually did like the gdp is up like even they were doing all the stats for last sunday like the amount of people watching the amount of jerseys like is he you put him on the map no like i wonder if he does think at all like wow i should have given her like a cut on these jerseys. On the podcast. He has a podcast and it came out yesterday and they had recorded after Sunday's game and they spoke very little about Taylor.

He was basically just like, we had fun. I'm so glad she came. I'm going to keep it private. But his brother did bring up the fact that his jersey sales went up 400 percent. Yeah. Like he's aware. Like that's crazy. No.

Like that's her power. Yeah. You'd love to see women in power being powerful. I just, I'm very here for her, like everything she's doing right now. Me too. For like everyone. And she's doing good work, like giving Sophie and her kids a home. I'm sure like there's a reason why Sophie has to be in New York.

Well, she's filming a movie, isn't she? Well, she was. That's what the whole, the divorce paperwork that came out. She filed a lawsuit against Joe and it was like filled with interesting information that someone who i love on tiktok the talk of shame she read it and like did all the work for us this is when she was like i want the kids to go back to england so they had agreed at the beginning of this year or in december of last year we're gonna live permanently in the uk okay so they bought a house they're renovating it and then they started renting a house to live in until the renovations were done.

They enrolled the kids in schools, got them doctors, like made all this thing. And then when the summer came, he was leaving for tour. Okay. And she was going to film something until September. And she said, you take the kids on tour. I'll be working till September. And then come September, I'll come pick them up on tour, bring them back to the UK, and we'll live in our new house together.

But that never happened because in August, he filed for divorce. Okay, the thing that I can't figure out and I don't understand, when he filed for divorce, when she was at that concert two days earlier, like we haven't, like why is he not talking about that? Now looking back,

the first few days are filled with questions. Because did she not know? That he was like, not gonna let them live in the UK? Yeah, like what, like why would she have gone to the concert if they were at such odds that he was like to the point where he was filing for divorce that next day yeah I don't know maybe um and I don't know because I don't have children but like maybe the kids really wanted to go to the concert and like as a mom like you just do what the kids want okay that's actually probably maybe like they wanted to see daddy's answer and probably the most right maybe yeah okay this is just like so

shocking to me i i pegged these two as like a forever yeah me too and it's still taking time for me to like unlearn that my favorite is when like someone breaks up and people go back and find like certain videos and they're like see we knew that's happening with Travis Kelsey this oh yeah of him is going viral it's actually from watch what happens live where he was asked like a bunch of raunchy questions by Andy about sex Ramona is the other guest and he basically said like a deal breaker for him is if a woman doesn't give oral sex and Ramona's like slapping him being like who raised you oh my god I didn't know he had a dating show oh my god you have to watch it no I like that when I heard that too I was like okay yeah I don't like it he has actually recently

ever he wasn't really famous when that show came out so he was just like a football player with a reality show and now like last year he got so famous and he was asked about and he was like honestly like I know it's weird but I was a rookie I had spent all my money because like I was so excited to be making money. And I needed the money. And I actually respect the honesty. Honestly, that's why everyone's on reality TV. Like at some point they were like, okay, I'll do this for a paycheck.

No, and I understand like being so young and making money and blowing through it. Like you're not thinking about fiscal responsibility your first year in the NFL. So I actually understood it. And you should watch it. I think I'm gonna. And he ended up dating the girl that won for like four or five months. Oh, wow. Yeah, but she's the one who this week came out and was like,

I'm a girl's girl. Taylor, you should know. Once a cheater, always a cheater. She literally said that to the Daily Mail. So he cheated on her. I guess. Like eight years ago. I mean.

And it was like a relationship for TV. I actually don't believe once a cheater, always a cheater. You don't? Because I feel like in college, there's just like certain things that happen. I don't think like if you cheated in college, that means you're going to like cheat on your husband of 17 years. No, and being young like is a thing. You're young and moronic and that's fair.

No, like being young and stupid is very much a thing. But like a guy who's cheating on his girlfriend and it's like a real relationship and he's in his 30 like being young and stupid is very much a thing. But like a guy who's cheating on his girlfriend and it's like a real relationship and he's in his 30s like you have problems.

Right. Like if you're living with your significant other and you're like banging the secretary like yeah you have issues. You have problems.

But like No if you're talking about a relationship from like 8 years ago that was 4 months long I don't think that equates once a cheater always a cheater.

So that's the Taylor Swift update of the day. Now the Kardashians are in the news actually quite a bit today, always a cheater. So that's the Taylor Swift update of the day. Now, the Kardashians are in the news actually quite a bit today. We have two stories. Last night was the season premiere of Kardashians on Hulu. I know. Why did nobody talk about it? I had no idea.

Where is the marketing? I'm livid. No, last season, they sponsored the toast. So I knew when it was and so did all of you. Yeah. I had no idea. I didn't even know another season was coming out. A trailer came out a few weeks ago and it looked good.

Oh, okay. Yes, yes, yes. And then there was no follow-up. Nothing. But it actually was like a crazy episode. And the thing everyone's talking about is this phone call between Kourtney and Kim. Okay. It was really bad.

So the timeline of this, it's important to know like where we're at time-wise. So the last season, they'd all just watched. Okay. watched. And so Courtney saw the whole Dolce thing go down. She saw like Khloe and and Kris and Kourtney, I mean and Kim in Milan like toasting like, fuck Kourtney like really bad. So tensions I think are even worse. And Kourtney is not on camera. She's on the phone, Kim is on the phone and you hear Kourtney's voice and it's just really bad. Like if these two weren't sisters, they would never talk. And honestly, I'm always inclined to take Kim's side because up until recently, like

Kourtney really was like so Ms. all the time complaining about her life. And it was just like hard to sympathize with this woman who, you know, lives a life that seems perfect. And what are you always complaining about? Kimberly Noel Kardashian forever. Like I don't care. I love her. And what are you always complaining about? Kimberly Noel Kardashian forever. Like, I don't care. I love her. And I will always love her.

And I actually really respect and, like, trust her. I think up in, like, no, I trust her. She's really logical. She's not mean. No, and I feel like she's actually, for, like, who she is and what's going on in her life, down to earth. Yeah, and she doesn't say it. Right.

And she doesn't say it. But on this phone call, like, honestly, I was on in her life. Yeah. Down to earth. Yeah. And she doesn't say it. Right. And she doesn't say it. But on this phone call, like, honestly, I was not on her side. Oh. She goes so low. So basically, she calls and is like, this Dolce thing, I'm still in the contract. I have to go back to Milan to do a dinner. I want to let you know.

And I also want to invite you. And Courtney's like, honestly, I'm kind of Dolce'd out. And I just saw the episode. Like, I'm not down. I'd love to be Dolce'd out. That's kind of like life goals. Yeah. Like for me currently right now I'm kind of like targeted out. I'm just kind of like revolved out. No I'm Uber Eats out. I'm Uber Eats the fuck out. Like Zara out. It's so hard for us Paige. Like I'm so Zara'd out. But she's like I'm obviously not coming to this dinner and

Kim is like well like we need to talk like you hate me yeah yeah why and Kim Courtney was just like honestly after seeing this episode and just like thinking about my wedding you came to my wedding you were just clearly not happy for me everyone told me you were complaining the whole time did you watch the wedding special I didn't I didn't either so I feel like they didn't even wouldn't allude to that I know special which I wish they did so she goes you weren't happy for me you were complaining the whole time and then like you come out and like do this Dolce thing that's so similar to the vibe of my wedding yeah you couldn't maybe I would have felt differently if had you been like you know jumping and dancing at the wedding yeah and then like this is epic yeah she was like you just couldn't stand that I was the center of attention and like you're a narcissist

and like I had a thing and you had to make it your thing and honestly like I kind of feel it I kind of feel it then it gets worse Kim's like I don't know what you're talking about I was so happy for you but like we're all talking about how like you're so different you seem so unhappy in your life like all of your friends text me and the family we have a chat called not Courtney where everyone comes to us to complain about you and Courtney's like you're starting side chats without me like you're the one who's unhappy like I don't have side chats about anyone like I'm living my life yeah and then she said to me like the most unforgivable thing like they're just riling each other up yeah he has remained so calm and I think it's like making Courtney

Kim even crazier yep she goes I mean, even your kids have come to me with problems about how you are. Kimberly. I know. It's that's so not Kim. And Courtney didn't even give in. She's like, all right, you want to say that? Then say that. Like, sure.

Now you're telling me all my friends, my kids and my family are coming to you talking about me, but I'm the one who's unhappy. Like, please. And she said, the kids thing is the only thing that got Courtney choked up. And at the end, she was like, you're such a fucking witch. And I fucking hate you and hung up the phone. Oh my God. It was really bad. I think last season they hyped up a lot. Like Courtney versus Kim, Courtney versus Kim. Yeah. But now it's like, it didn't really get that crazy. This to me was the craziest conversation. That like makes me sad. I know.

And I feel like Kourtney has had like a tough go of it in certain parts of like the show. And Kim is always like so beloved that I'm kind of like justice for Kourt. If this conversation had happened a few years ago, I'd be like, yes, finally someone's saying like, Kourtney, what's with this mug on your face? Like be happy. You have a beautiful life. Like, she was kind of missed. And I do think her life turned around

when she met Travis. And I really believe she's so happy. I wonder if they don't like Travis. I feel like they do. I think he's such a good stepdad. He's such a good dad to his kids. He's, like, kind of Ben Soffer-ish. Like, he's very affable.

Like, everybody who meets him loves him. He's Travis Barker's celebrity. I know. And he loves Courtney. So, like, I don't know. He's Travis Barker's celebrity. I know. And he loves Kourtney. So, like, I don't know how you couldn't be happy for your sister. Right, right, right. When she's met someone who would actually step in front of a train for her. Like, he loves her.

No, he's obsessed with her. This conversation from Kourt, from Kim's end feels misplaced to me. Like, I don't feel like Kourtney is so happy. Obviously, I don't know what's really going on because I'm a nobody and they, like, live a thousand miles away. But I wish we had the wedding. Yeah. I mean, we do.

Did you watch it? No. So, I like how we're like, I wish we had the wedding. Yeah I mean we do. Did you watch it? No. So I like how we're like I wish we had the wedding but we didn't even watch it. But I feel like they didn't allude to any drama. Like I feel like it was supposed to be like a home video. Love story. Yeah I agree. It was like directed by Ellen Von Unworth. Like she's not doing drama. She's doing like beautiful wedding. But I do always feel like Chris wanted Courtney's wedding to be the way we reacted to Sofia's. And by the way, I think everyone loved it. Like, it was exciting seeing all the girls in Italy. And you know what?

I feel like that whole, like, Dolce 90s, like, era that's now popular, like, it really was, like, started at Kourtney's wedding. Right. All the girls, like, for the Friday night and the Saturday, like, the brunch, all their outfits, like, they were dressed by Dolce and they were sick. Yeah. And Kourtney committed a point to be like, I didn't copy. Like, I told you I was telling everyone at the wedding, like their outfits, like they were dressed by Delta and they were sick. Yeah. And Kourtney, Kim made it a point to be like, I didn't copy.

Like I told you, I was telling everyone at the wedding, like I didn't like your look. I didn't like the vibe. So she's kind of validating what Kourtney's saying. Because Kourtney was like, you were complaining the whole time. You weren't happy at my wedding. And then Kim was like, I didn't copy.

I thought it was ugly. It's so rude. Which is so savage to say to anyone. Yeah. And also like, I feel like Chloe talked about on like a podcast or something when she was like I wish you wore like a different wedding dress they did the vanity fair thing yes yeah and I detect her and she was like do you Courtney asked her did you like my wedding dress and I felt like that was so mean no like I think

there's something to be said about like everyone being like a little mean to Courtney and I think there were many years where maybe she would have deserved it because she really was like a mean sister. But now in a reality taking a stance from a reality TV point. Courtney for so many years was the show. Yeah, like Courtney and Scott drama was sometimes the only drama a season would have. So true. We can't forget about the years Courtney and Khloe take Miami, where he punched the mirror. I mean, iconic stuff.

And in the very beginning, the show really became so popular. And then Courtney got pregnant. It was like this crazy thing because Scott was like so toxic. Like she put the show on her back for many years. Remember when Courtney slept with that guy in Miami? The friend? What was his name? Sorry.

Remember when Courtney had a lesbian experimenting phase and she made out with that girl who then ended up friend. What was his name? Sorry. Remember when Kourtney had a lesbian experimenting phase and she made out with that girl who then ended up on Orange is the New Black? She made out in a club with a girl? Wait. Oh my God. Kourtney and Kourtney take Miami. So like I'm just like a little bit justice for Kourtney.

I agree. And that's never something I thought I would say. And like the fact that she's like keeps her marriage and her life like a little bit private. I get it. I respect it because for so many years you were on display bleeding out like no you're right so okay I know it's like shocking for me because I'm always inclined to just like be team Kim same but I honestly think like Courtney's onto something yeah our second Courtney comes out with a spinoff show and it's just her and Travis's life I'm like we're just there's so much interesting stuff there like Travis they're a blended family, which is always interesting dynamics.

Alabama Barker. She's a star. A star. Mason. Star. Yep. He's recently bar mitzvahed. Landon on the Charlie DiGimignano show.

Like it's just so, so much is happening. And there's also just really interesting family dynamics. Like, you know, Atiana, his oldest daughter. Yep. It's actually not his biological daughter. It's his ex-wife's daughter with someone else and he raises her oh I didn't realize that I thought it was a different that was his daughter a different mom no so there's a lot going on no there's a lot going on so there's there's a chance Shanna signed on well she's. Courtney would never agree.

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So Kris Jenner revealed during the season four premiere of the Kardashians that she once blocked her longtime boyfriend, Corey Gamble, from appearing in the hit Paramount show Yellowstone. Jenner claimed that she forced Corey to turn down the role in the Kevin Costner-led series once she learned that the role might contain some romantic scenes. The revelation came while the matriarch and her two daughters Chloe and Kim grabbed dinner with Corey in Cabo. She said, I'm so excited to watch the next episode of Yellowstone. And Corey said, well, if it wasn't for you, I would be a Yellowstone star. Confused as to why someone wouldn't take the opportunity to be on camera Kim asked

Corey why he turned down such a prominent role. And Chris butted in and she said because I thought he was gonna have a romantic relationship. Unable to resist the urge to poke fun at her mom, Khloe lashed herself into the conversation. But if they said they wanted you to star and kiss Kevin Costner I'm sure you would take it I'm shocked I'm shocked it also kind of feels like this is an ad for Yellowstone like in the Kardashians does it not right product placement they did a great job no I know even though like Yellowstone um is like not in production Kevin Costner won't film and they like haven't it was like they and they did a mid-season finale I hate

when this happens with shows it's been over a year since the mid-season finale. So season five never even ended. Oh my God, yeah. Yeah. Kevin Costner won't show up for work. Kev. He's also going through a divorce. So it's not helping. And his wife wants $300,000 a month.

And she doesn't want to work. Relatable. No, I love that for her. And also, didn't she sleep with his best friend? Yeah, there's a lot going on. And he has this $40 million. It kind of looks like Yellowstone, like Ranch. I'd love if they had a reality show. Yes.'m shocked at Kris Jenner I know I feel like she

above all like knows a good opportunity when she sees it right and like what Corey was gonna like go then like be with this woman like that makes me think more is going on between her and Corey and maybe let's put that that on the show I want to say like yeah this sounds like someone who's insecure but if Ben got offered a role where he had to kiss someone like I'm out I'm out no way unless it was gonna make him like really really famous okay it's funny because Craig always will say like also none of us are actors I know these hypotheticals every couple have this conversation I know I yes they do because Craig was like look if we like agreed like it's just acting and it was for your career like fine but I like would feel a certain type of

way and I would feel nothing I feel like if Craig did it yeah well here's the thing like what am I getting out of this so let's say Ben is booked to roll on the tv show is it like a very minor role where he doesn't come back then it's not worth it right is it gonna shoot me him and our family to stardom yeah I'm all for it okay got it I'd like the the benefits have to outweigh the risks but you what are the risks that you think that like Ben would fall in love with this girl that he kissed one time and is gonna leave you for like this random actress what if it's like some shiksa goddess ben is like you know so tantalized by her blonde hair and enormous perky breasts i i just don't see ben soffer celebrity doing that to his family well you know ben hosts a podcast with josh peck yeah and i whenever i'm

on their podcast like my i'm always asking him because he's an actor like and he's like kissed a bunch of different people i think he like just kissed Hilary Duff like in his show. I'm like what? Like how? And he's like it's just not like that. It's actually like weird. Like so many people are watching you. You're literally acting and it's kind of like weird and gross. Like it's not good. Can I tell you something? Because you're a book girlie. When I was in high school, I had to do a commercial for a James Patterson book. Oh, we have to find that.

It's called, I forget what it was called. He always has commercials. We were like vampires, I want to say, or something. No fucking way. I'm 16 years old. I'm literally harnessed up. I have to like fly through the air. Makeout scene.

Kissed a guy. Had a boyfriend in high school my mom's like on set with me because i'm a child i fell in love with this man like fully fell in love with him every so often i'll look him up on the internet no fucking way once he's married what's he up to uh i haven't looked in years last time i up, actually, has probably been like five years ago. But I had just moved to New York City, saw him on the street. Did he recognize you? We both recognized each other for sure.

But we both didn't say hi, kept walking. But I was like, oh, my God, that was definitely the guy I made out with. Oh, my God. And I don't think he recognized me because, like, I was 16 and then he was seeing me. I was like 25. How crazy. So was your boyfriend mad at the time he was like a little yeah he was like all my like everyone's like making fun of me and I was like it's literally a job like get over it similar story like not really when I was like just starting out influencing I had like maybe like 500,000 followers on Instagram I got reached out to by the Steve Harvey show it was like my first time ever being on TV like an interview

when I was like oh fuck yes yes I was so excited and the more I talked to the producer they were like we're making it a dating segment okay and it was like you have to judge like because we want to learn all about social media like you're gonna see three boys social media profiles okay and like judge them and then like choose one okay and I was like oh yeah I'm single for sure Ben's like literally next to me. Ben comes with me to Chicago. We, like, look alike. Everybody just thought we were, like, brother and sister.

I'm like, oh, this is my brother. Wait, I love that. And I literally had to do this dating segment where, like, literally three different guys. Yeah. And I, like, chose one. And Ben was, like, trying to be happy for me. He was having a mental breakdown in the dressing room, like, losing his fucking mind. I mean, you didn't have to, like, make out. No.

Then did you, like, hang out with them after? No, they had to film a little segment where we like walk into a restaurant. Like on a fake date. Wait, I love this. We need to resurface that. No, we fucking don't. Don't you dare.

And it was like a seafood restaurant. Just that, I need to hire some company to get that scrubbed from the internet like immediately. I love that. Next story, my favorite couple to talk about. Lauren Sanchez says there's nothing better than seeing her fiance Jeff Bezos. Yeah, I would be excited to see. Seeing him? Yeah, like just couple to talk about. Lauren Sanchez says there's nothing better than seeing her fiancé, Jeff Bezos. Yeah, I would be excited to see him.

Seeing him? Yeah, like just to be with him. I'd be excited too if every time my fiancé came to see me, he brought me like a $40 million house. I'd love to see anyone on their yacht. Yeah, no. Like you could bring my arch nemesis and I'd be like, it's great running into you. I'd be like, move over. Yeah.

Let's go. So even a whole day apart is too long for these lovebirds. Lauren Sanchez couldn't help but gush over her soon-to-be hubby Jeff Bezos in a heartfelt post on social media. She said, nothing better than when I get to see him for lunch between his meetings. It wasn't long before fans and celebs rushed to the comment section. Cute, Kyle Richards wrote. Meanwhile, pop star Katy Perry, who shares a close friendship with the couple,

also responded with a heart emoji. This woman is the luckiest woman in America the luckiest woman in America I also just really like weirdly like them as a couple even though I don't like die for Jeff Bezos or anything even though he has changed my life um I feel like of all the girls he could have dated like after yeah divorcing his wife he could have dated like an 18 year old and everybody would have been like okay he dated someone age appropriate I do find it respectful. Yeah, and they've weirdly been together. I feel like they had, like, an oddly traditional courtship,

even though the way that they came out as a couple was weird with, like, remember her brother was, like. Wait, wasn't she married? Yeah, and, like, her brother was, like, selling their sex to the National Enquirer. And we saw all those text messages of him being, like, I want to drink with you. Like, not get drunk, but just, like, a little tipsy. And then, like, wake up with you and read the newspaper. It's sweet.

It's sweet. It's very sweet. He didn't say, like, I want to clap those cheeks, bitch. It was really. There's something about when you say something really funny and sexual. Like, it hits so different. Me specifically? Yeah, like, I think it's ten times funnier.

Because, also, I'm not like that. Like, I don't. Yeah, like, someone else could have said slap those cheeks, and I would have been like, it's a little vulgar. But when you say it, like, also, I don't know. It's oddly, like, cute. I don't know if, like, slap those cheeks is something. I think it's clap those cheeks.

Oh, whatever. Whatever. I just, like, I weirdly think they're sweet. And they had, like, a traditional courtship. They were, like, dating for, like, a year and a half. Got engaged. Like, it's, like, a normal people thing. Does she have kids?

I don't think so. Does he? He must. I think he does. But I just, like, I don't know why i think about it from the point of like if i was her daughter like how happy i would be like my bat mitzvah would be the event of the century yeah mom fuck dad it's also so different it's funny how different mackenzie bezos his ex-wife and uh jeff like live and spend their money yeah she got $36 billion.

I think she gave $35.5 billion to a million different charities and now lives a life of poverty with her half a billion dollars. And he, I think, is now worth $100 billion. He has not given $1 away. He's going to space. No, it's insane. It's just funny how men and women are different like that. And I do always get annoyed, maybe different because they're not like famous actors or something.

But like, I always think of Chris Pratt and Anna Faris. Like, I think about it a lot. And that's so funny. I never think about them, but they're people worth thinking about. I think about them a lot because when they got together, she was very popular. Probably the height of her career. Yeah, rom-com queen.

He was like a little chubby and he was on TV. Yeah, and no, he had like that very small role in that terrible movie, Five Year Engagement. And it was just, and then all of a sudden roles reversed. And he was like, oh, and by the way, I'm out. Yeah, I'm a star now. I'm skinny. Bye. And she loved him while he was no one.

And I think about it a lot and it really annoys me. So when anything comes up about him in pop culture and people are like so for him, I'm like, I didn't forget. You know who I have that same thing with? Austin Butler and Vanessa Hudgens. She saw something in him that nobody saw. She told him. She discovered him.

She told him to be Elvis. She was dating him when he was on The Carrie Diaries. The CW. Amazing show, by the way. Prequel to The Sex and the City. Like she was with him during the dark times. The Carrie Diaries was so good and people don't talk about it enough.

Nobody talks about it. It's the most incredible show. It has really nothing to do with Sex and the City because Carrie was not like that girl at all. No, no, no. But Anna Sophia Robb crushed the role of Carrie. Crushed. It was the best show.

And that's like literally all he did after his like Nickelodeon fame. And then he was just like famous for being like a former child star and being really hot and dating Vanessa Hudgens yeah and then he became a star and never once saw or spoke to her again like that pisses me off and now he's like engaged to Kaya Gerber I just watched a movie last night on Amazon called Bottoms and Kaya Gerber was in it I heard it was great me and Craig loved it I heard it was amazing I want to watch it.

It's like very odd and like things were happening and we were like what are we watching but for whatever reason we were like this is amazing and I can't stop. And she's in it as like an actress? Yes and she's so good. Wow. And I think it was because she's not like a main main. Right. She's a little bit supporting cast but she definitely has lines and I think it was a great way to like intro her into movies and I have nothing against her I think she makes a nice couple but I have something against him yeah I feel like he's a little arrogant Jackie like put it into my brain she's like I think he's a social climber and now I can only see that him is that yes he is I also like when he gave up to give a speech, got up and he was, like, full accent. Oh, that. The accent thing was, I think, threw a lot of people off.

It was too much for me. I just, I never forget Vanessa Hudgens, just like you never forget Anna Faris. And how he won't ever say Vanessa's name. That, like. Yeah, that she was the one who gave him the idea to pursue a role in Elvis. She was like, your voice, like, you can sing like him. Justice for fucking. But she's really happy.

I've never given anyone that nice of a compliment. Never in my life. I'm like, Ben,, like you can sing like him. Justice for fucking, but she's really happy. I've never given anyone that nice of a compliment. Never in my life. I'm like, Ben, you should play Bozo the Clown in his biopic. No,

I feel like I called Craig like Ellen DeGeneres the other day. No, I call Ben Bozo the Clown. Whenever he puts on like a crazy outfit, he's always wanting to experiment.

I'm like, just wear black pants. Yeah. He always has to put on like the big pants. Craig's in a very experimental phase. And I said, okay,

Bozo. Yeah. But that's, now now he knows like he'll put an outfit on and he'll come in and before he even asks he's like bozo I'm like bozo wait that's adorable no I know at first he was offended but I'm like listen I want what's best for you yeah I'm trying to help I'm out here helping you our fifth and final story is probably one of my favorite sagas in pop culture that nobody is talking about. I'm sure everybody knows that Katy Perry is like in this crazy lawsuit. Nobody's talking about it. Thank you. She's in this crazy lawsuit over a piece of real estate that she had purchased from this like very old man.

He's a veteran. And he had just gotten back surgery. He was on crazy like opioids. And they presented him with a legal document. And he signed it. And then two days later when he came to, he was like, wait, I just signed away my house. I live here. I don't want to sell it.

And now they're in a crazy lawsuit. She's suing him for millions. Which, OK, is crazy. But what makes the saga crazier is that this man, do you want to know who his daughter is? Yeah, who? Cameron Westcott from The Real Housewives of Dallas. It's her dad. Stop! Yes! Yes! All roads lead back to Bravo. That's crazy. Also Katy Perry and Orlando

also wait side note I just saw Orlando Bloom's in like a new movie. I saw like the preview for it on the tv. He looks horrible. No have you ever seen his penis? I personally haven't. I have. Because he got paparazzi'd nude paddle boarding in like Mallorca or something. Tiny. Small. I just think he's a grower. Not a show.

He wasn't like a Rex on the paddle board. He was just chilling. She must have great PR that like not that many people are speaking about it. And this is also the second like major lawsuit. She had sued this like coventry, like a covenant, like what's it called? A covenant?

Okay. Where like nuns live? A convent. Convent. Yeah. I'm so dumb. She had sued like a convent because like she wanted their land

and then like these old nuns like died and it was like a whole thing. Wait, small Katy Perry story. Yeah. So one time I was doing an amazon live and she had a shoe line that was like exclusive amazon yeah she has like a what's it called like kitty kitty shoes something and i was doing the live with her and i was so nervous so like the night before i memorized all of the shoes and what like their names were so that like we could just like say the name of the shoe

and the blah blah blah blah she was so late that like they were so nervous about it that we couldn't even do we were supposed to do like a rehearsal didn't do a rehearsal she just like came in and it was virtual oh and i'm sweating and i'm saying the name we're doing the live I'm saying the names of the shoes and she was like I have no idea what you're talking about like she didn't know the names of the shoes so then I was like did I just insult her by like making by knowing more yeah by like making her almost look bad so then I couldn't say the name you threw it out the window yeah I threw it out the window okay so here's the update on the legal battle. She's slammed for, quote, attacking the weak by the family of dying veteran Carl Westcott. She is suing for $2.6 million in property dispute as his son is saying his American hero father shouldn't have to spend his last days fighting her in court.

So honestly, I'm not really interested in the details of the legal battle. What I'm interested in is another thing I learned about this man. Ready? You're saying, oh, how can Cameron Westcott, how can this war veteran own a property for $15 million

that Katy Perry wants to buy? Like, you don't get paid to be in the army. Right. More importantly, do you know what he did after the army? What?

He is the founder, and this is how Cameron Westcott is so, I know, this is how Cameron Westcott is so rich. He is the founder of 1-800-Flowers.

Isn't that crazy? Oh my God. So at this point, it's like rich people fighting rich people. Like, I don't really care, but like, let the old man live. He can afford

to pay the lawsuit. But it's more so that he's like in hospice. Like, leave this man alone. Yeah, that's crazy. But I just think it's fascinating that that's where her fortune,

and then she, you know, she married very well. So Cameron Westcott's doing just fine post Real Housewives of Dallas. Did you ever watch? I did. It was good. Because our production company actually that made Summer House made Dallas. Got it.

I think like they deserved more. No, there was. Brandy had a lot to give and they didn't. They didn't execute it. Yeah, they didn't explore it enough. Same with Leanne Locken. Now she had to be fired for a multitude of reasons and I agree with them,

but we would be lying if we sat here and said she wasn't a star. A star. They're just hands. Her boyfriend that wore an eye patch. Oh yeah, what was his name, Rick? He was a cop. I mean, just, no.

TV Gold. TV Gold is this moment. Season one. Episode one. Okay. We meet all the women besides Leanne. Yeah. And they're all talking about Leanne.

They say, Leanne, she's the woman to know. Leanne, you want to be on her good side. She runs this town. Yeah. It's all these millionaire women with their Chanel bags. Millionaire. Leanne, we're afraid of Leanne. Cut to Leanne. We show, we see her for the first time. I remember my jaw dropped. Not that there's anything wrong, but she lives in this like tiny house. And I'm like,

why are all these incredibly well-connected, rich, 1-800-Flowers women, why are they afraid? What power does she have? They're like, in the charity world, it's Leanne Longin. I'm like, oh, I can't wait to see Leanne's house. I like let's go I'm like it's just a regular house I was floored that was like a jaw-dropping moment and I found out later that because the pilot of Real Housewives of Dallas wasn't supposed to be Real Housewives of Dallas it was supposed to be a show about like wealthy women in Dallas but all about like the charity world okay that's why every other word on the first episode of Real Housewives of Dallas is charity. Yeah.

Charity this, charity that. I'm like, who cares about charity? No, literally I felt so bad. I was like, it's enough.

We got it. No, but it's nice. Like I know that's what rich women do. They do charity. for sure. But that's not what

the Real Housewives is about. Maybe once, maybe once every season there's a charity event. Right. But that's not the point. Right. Like we have enough

homeless toothless. It was like, you know, like we got it. Yeah yeah like in New Jersey they have Dolores's annual baseball game to raise money for breast cancer which is amazing no we love that in Beverly Hills they have homeless not toothless and in New York Housewives the old one they had that woman who like lived in a shelter and Ramona and Sonia wouldn't let her get a word in and they forgot her name that was the best moment of my life her name was like um Birdie or something

that was that's an iconic moment that people don't replay it's not a popular enough one but actually a friend of mine over like the court last of last year has been like wanting to get into bravo so she watched beverly hills and she's like what should i watch next i'm like you have to watch new york yeah and she keeps sending me the clips of her TV of like mostly Alex McCord moments. And honestly, I'm getting such an itch. I need, she's at the part. OG, OG girls know.

New York City is unparalleled. She's at the part where Alex McCord is like taking her modeling career really seriously. And she's doing like hip hop dance classes to just like learn to be in music video sets. I need to rewatch it. Simon also was. The love of my life. He was too, like too good for his time. Like they weren't appreciated in their own time and I saw somebody tweet once like recently that if Alex and Simon

McCord were on right now they would be so well liked because they are like edgy Brooklyn they're like we don't need to live in Manhattan but like in the early 2000s we're like no you need to live in Manhattan yeah and like and now Brooklyn is like so nice and they would be so popular now but I re-watched like the early two three seasons during covid and i forgot that they were living in this like actual construction dungeon like jill comes over and she's like you're living in this like it was actually luanne says like her shoes are like herman munster shoes that's a little bit later she's like oh is that a buffalo coming down the stairs you came down in your herman munster shoes uh They were Louis Vuitton.

Even Louis Vuitton makes mistakes. She was so iconic. Remember when she yelled at Bethany for not making her chauffeur call Bethany Mrs. Frankel? She lets the chauffeur call her Bethany? No. She was like actually awful when she was a countess. Wait, Luann or Alex? Luann.

Okay. Luann, they get into a car with like this driver who Bethany knows and he's calling her Bethany. Yes, yes, yes. And she's like, Bethany, you should really be calling you Mrs. Frankel. My favorite was when she went to Miami and she went to go look at a poster of herself like and none of the other women went with her. She was in her hustle era then because she was no longer married.

She was rebuilding like a business. She was going on tour. And her tour actually ended up in like extremely successful. Yeah. She was playing like big theaters. She's a cabaret star. her tour actually ended up in like extremely successful. Yeah. She was playing like big theaters. She's a cabaret star. And she was like a little full of herself. But you know what?

She had every right to be. She was like a woman scorned. And she was out on her own, you know, hustling for a dollar for her family. They did an episode like where did the housewives come from? Like in like their house. Hers was actually fascinating. And extremely impressive. Like the things she had accomplished. Modeling, pageants.

Just like living different places and very, yeah, like a go-getter. No, you're right. Like there's more to these women, but there's like a few women, especially from New York, who I just identify with like and love. Like Luann can never do anything that would make me dislike her. I just, I ride for her. Yeah, I love Luann. But so back to Cameron Westcott.

Like, I just think not enough people know that the man Katy Perry is suing is Cameron Westcott's dad and he founded 1-800-Flowers. I just think that was information everybody needs to know. More people should be talking about this. And that's what we do here at The Toast.

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