The Toast - My Friend Mary Orton: Wednesday, April 17th, 2024

Episode Date: April 17, 2024

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Good morning, Millennials. Welcome back to The Toast. I am in studio at home with my friend Mary Orton. She's a four-name wonder now. I think that we have to probably, at the start here, address the elephant in the room that Claudia and I are mortal enemies. Right. Right. And for anyone who is just starting to learn about this saga today, it is because I had the audacity to befriend Jackie. And understandably, that is unacceptable to her. If I were your sister, I too would not allow you to have friends. But I think if we're all being honest with each other,

we know that Claudia would beat the shit out of me in a street fight, right? Like, I would have no shot. I don't know. I could see a scrappy Mary Orton coming through. Well, my question is, can you digitally alter my voice and blur my face for this? For this. It's an anonymous. Just to preserve my anonymity.

This is dangerous work. Yeah. Yeah. And then otherwise I was thinking we could brainstorm like for the title, you could do something like, um, like Mary Orton is absolutely not the co-host of this podcast. Just to like throw, you know, something subtle. Throw her off. I'll tell her like Mary Orton canceled. I did a solo pod. Like it's kind of boring. You don't want to listen. Maybe like a listener could, could story it and just be like at girl with no job. Like don't listen today. It sucked. Yeah. Also Mary Orton was not, not the co-host. That would be helpful. I'm thinking. No, my friend Mary Orton is the title of today's episode because that is just your name now. I can't say it another way. And I know you have your husband's last name too

scudalary thankfully thankfully it's pronounced scudalary scudalary because otherwise I would be Mary scudalary and actually funny enough then you'd be my friend Mary scudalary right that did not occur to me until I got a dm from a follower who was like oh now I understand why you didn't change your handle and I was like what that's such I understand why you didn't change your handle. And I was like, what? That's such a random thing to message somebody. And then she expanded upon that and said, because your first and last name rhyme.

And I was like, no. But your first name's Mary Orton. My first name is Mary Orton. All one word. Last name's Scudolari. Thank God. Got it. But what do you go by mostly? Mary Orton?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, professionally, I still do. Last name Scudolari. Thank God. Got it. But what do you go by mostly? Mary Wharton? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like professionally, I still do. Yeah. And then and then in like personal life mom mode, I'm like Mary Scudolari. Same as me. We have so much in common, Claudia. We're the same person.

Well, I'm so excited that you're here because the genesis of our friendship and also like us discovering each other on the internet I feel like we kind of come from different spheres of the internet so I'm so excited for the toasters to get to know Mary Orton even though the toasters who already know you are so excited that you're here and I'm excited for the Ortonites to listen to the toast. Hi guys! Well I have to say I and I told you this I like discovered the podcast about 18 months ago and I wish I could remember who like somebody must have posted it to their stories I don't remember who because I would like to find them and kiss them on the mouth because they like

I am so obsessed with the podcast I listen every day I should probably play it cool like like oh the toast your podcast like I've heard of it yeah. I'm pretty busy and important. So like, I don't listen, but it's about two brothers. Right. Um, but no, I love the podcast so much. And I like, I'm living every toaster's dream right now, co-hosting with you. And so I have to, I think I have hair all over me. Um, I have to thank you. Like you bring so much joy. This podcast is such a bright light and I've told you that before, but I really mean it. It sounds like a throwaway comment, but I just, it's such a like wonderful thing to pop on every day and know that you guys are bringing like energy and fun and happiness. And I just love it so much. So thank

you. Thank you so much. That's what Claudia and I like to think that we do and believe that we do. But then when we get that positive reinforcement, especially from people that we know, like it, it means a lot and we're going to keep on trucking. Oh my gosh. Well, no, when you, um, when you texted me and asked me to co-host, first of all, it was on April Fool's. So I was like, oh, oh, that's where we are. You have a lot of April Fool's trauma.

I have a lot of April Fool's trauma. So I immediately was like, oh, that's where we are in our friendship. We're playing mean April Fool's jokes on each other. You're going to be like, Mary, you want to co-host? And I'm going to be like, of course. And you're going to be like, ha, gotcha. I would never ask you. But then when you said it wasn't an April Fool's joke, I was like, oh.

So she's either texting the wrong person or she's being held at gunpoint. Was it my mom, by the way? Doesn't matter. I'm honored to be here. I'm so excited to have you. You are actually, I was thinking this morning, you're the first guest co-host that we've had on in a while. That's like a first timer because everyone else that I have this week has been on the show in one way or another, maybe not co-hosting, but as a guest or guested with Claudia. And this is like Mary Orton first time experience. And is everybody else a podcaster?

So I'm... Josh. Yeah. Shannon. Yeah. Lauren Elizabeth, former podcaster. Okay. Stassi podcaster.

So I'm the loser in the middle. Well, it makes... So we're gonna... It begs the question... It's gonna be like, hi, Monday, Tuesday, and then it's gonna... And then Thursday, Friday. No, Wednesday's like always pretty good views.

But it begs the question, like the influencer to podcaster pipeline is a direct flight. Okay. So why have you never considered podcasting? Because also your content is very talky. Like we hear from you. Yeah. I don't know. I've never, I mean, I think like as someone who creates content, what you guys do is so so hard I don't think that people like civilian non-content creators understand how hard it is how the lay people um I don't know if they understand how hard it is to do what you do and do this every day and talk and have interesting things to say every single day I mean you guys have if there's anybody watching for the first time in or night and who is not a regular Toast listener.

Like you must come back next week when Claudia is back and see original recipe Jackson Claude because it is amazing. Actually, because I am such a regular listener, when my daughter was born, I'm pretty sure she came out of the womb and looked at me and was like, who the hell are you?

Like, where's Jackson Claude? Like, cause she's heard your voice so many times in utero so that was um very disappointing for her oh yes so you know who her parents were you're a content creator and a mama of three busy bee yes yes and we are right on the heels of teething hell. I have not slept in two weeks. Oh damn. How many teeth? She's, she's got the bottom two. Um, my kids have been slow teeters. So she's nine months and she's just getting the top two. That's what's like ready to break through. And it has been hell for her. I mean, she's been poor thing has been in so much pain, which is very different than my first two kids. Like my first kid was what we call a trick baby. She like never had teething issues. She slept really well. She ate really

well, all the things. So you think all babies are like that? So yeah. So she tricked us into having more children and, um, and we fell for it. And now we have three and, and really like all three of my kids have been so, so good and easy and healthy and whatever. So no major complaints. But this was the first like real challenging teething experience where we were like, like, are we sure there aren't more drugs we can give this child? Yeah. It was so bad. But I'm here.

You're here. And I'm so excited that you're here. And it's so crazy that you also like are nine months postpartum. How's that going? It's going well. It's, um, it's going well. The, I feel like the older two are my oldest is four and then middle Liza just turned three and they're in a sweet spot where they're like besties and can play independently with each other. And so that's really nice. We had one single week when Liza, our middle, was potty trained. We potty trained her the week before I had my third. So we had one gorgeous, immaculate week with no diapers.

And then we were right back into it. So it's been a journey. As you well know. How close are your first two in age? 18 months. Oh, wow. Yeah. What are 18 months? Oh, a journey. Okay. As you well know. How close are your first two in age? 18 months. Oh, wow. Yeah. What are...

18 months. Oh, they are. Yeah, exactly. Oh, my gosh. Okay, so you know the whole, like, two in diaper thing. It's just... Yeah, I can't imagine, like, no diapers. Yeah.

But you'll, like, you know, in a few months, you'll see a two where, like, Harry and Charlie will be besties. And they'll be doing Legos together. And you and Zach will sit back and be like, wait. We can just supervise. Yes. We don't have to get in the pen. Yes.

No, that's going to be a major milestone. Yes. That's been really very exciting for us. Yeah. Well, I'm excited for you. I'm so excited that you're here. And now, can you tell me about the genesis of Mary Orton? Because we went to lunch. Yeah. We lunch who lunch and I feel like we were talking about the beginning of your

career but you're kind of like an OG yeah I want to say influencer but I feel like when you started that wasn't the term it was more like blogger fashion blogger girly yes. I definitely started in the blogosphere. And I always say like starting a blog was the most out of character thing I've ever done. Like what I do now is like I would have never, ever, ever imagined. and I remember a colleague of mine talking about fashion blogs and I was like, what the hell is a fashion blog? And then I'm looking them up and I'm like, who the hell are these women putting pictures of themselves on the internet? That's so embarrassing. Actually, side note, I was telling this story to someone recently at a lunch and there was a Gen Z-er at the table.

And she was like, wait, what's embarrassing? And I was like, well, putting pictures of yourself on the internet is just an objectively humiliating thing to do. And she was like wait what's embarrassing and I was like well like putting pictures yourself on the internet is just like an objectively humiliating thing to do and she was like well now that's de rigueur and I was like oh my gosh you're like 23 and you don't remember a time before selfies yeah you don't remember a time when it was not normal to be like you just like took your pictures and put them in your photo. Right, right. Right. And so anyway, so yeah, so I started, um, way back in like 2013, um, a blog, and I was interested in kind of speaking to my demographic that I didn't feel was being spoken to, which, which was like young urban professional women who wanted to figure out how to infuse style into their working life. And at the time,

I thought that I thought, okay, I'm, I'm fascinated by these fashion blogs. I'm fascinated by the ways in which they're disrupting the landscape of, of fashion and retail marketing. But I cannot put pictures of myself on the internet. And I remember telling my husband and my best friend about this. And I remember telling my husband and my best friend about this. And I was like, I'll just crop my head off if for like, I'll, I'll just do mostly writing. And then if I have to show anybody like clothes on me, I'll just crop my head off. And they were, they were looking at me like, Oh my God, this is like, they're like, they were watching a car crash. Um, so anyway, so I started and that's what I did for the first nine months. And somehow perhaps because like

the blogosphere was in its infancy, the blog did well. And then head, head, headless, fully headless and anonymous. I could see that being extremely cool though. Anonymous. Like who is this? What was your blog called? It was, it's been memorandum since um like 2014 memorandum like who is she where is she it's giving gossip girl i well except like not at all cool like the sloppy crop of the point and shoot camera photos was was a real tragedy um but then i had the opportunity to work with one of my favorite brands and they were like we'd love to work with you but this whole like headless horseman thing is probably not not gonna be okay with us and so I had to put my my face in photos and I don't think I slept for a month I was like so mortified

yeah but at least you were doing it from a place of success like you had it yeah it wasn't like you were really putting yourself out there to zero people yet. Like trying, you know, at least you had that platform a little bit where it's like, yeah, people care. Maybe. Yeah. So, so that was kind of. Do you still feel that way? Like camera shy?

Yeah, I think so. Like taking photos has never felt normal. How do you feel? Are you just so used to it and you feel. No, like when I step out and I asked my husband to take pictures of me, like it is a deeply uncomfortable experience. Right. And I feel like I, I don't do it as much right now because I don't step out so much right now, but I feel like even when I was two, even in my heyday, like if we're going to dinner,

like I want you to take a few pics of me. I'm dying inside the entire time. If we didn't get the picture, I'm moving on from it. Right. It it'll only ruin my night but I'm not going to spend a long time like trying to take pictures in public like and you can see me cringing in the photos oh totally and I'm sure you have the same um like like war stories from from the years with your husband taking photos of your of you yeah um and I, I will never forget, we were in, I think, Washington Square Park in New York. And my husband was taking photos. And I realized after we had been taking photos for a couple minutes that I had a piece of hair that had, like, flown up and was like this. And I'm looking at the photos and I'm like, are you kidding me?

And I'm like reading him the riot act in public. And I mean, I'm not like yelling at him, but I'm just like, are you kidding me? No. I've had this thing in front of my face. I've been standing here like an idiot. And I'm like going off. Like, are you even looking at the pictures that you're taking? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Do you even give a crap? Is this, am I a joke to you? Am I a joke to you? Does my work mean nothing to you? Right, right, right. And then I look up at his face as I like pause mid-rant, and he's going like this. And I was like, are you having a stroke?

And then I looked to my right, and there's a girl standing there and was like, hi, I'm so sorry to interrupt. I just wanted to say I follow you and I love what you do. I thought you were great. Now I'm feeling unsafe, so I'm going to go now. She just, this poor thing. Her face haunts me forever because of that moment. No, it's such a vulnerable moment when you're asking someone to take your picture

and you're putting yourself out there. And like, there just needs to be this like understood social contract that like you're looking out for me. I'm feeling unsafe and vulnerable and whatever I say in those moments, I don't mean it. Yes. And yes, my husband is a true PJOM extraordinaire extraordinaire and um did not leave me after that yeah the photo taking husbands are p-joms does he now know your angle like is he now a pro now he's a pro yeah now he's a pro and it's like boom done and he always makes sure i don't have like a weird mohawk coming up from behind oh that's good um so yeah so've really, we've grown a lot together. That's beautiful.

It really is. That is really beautiful. It's really special. Okay, so you started as a fashion blogger and now you're a major content creator. I actually found your profile from like one of your many viral reels where you were showing ladies how to properly wear a scarf around their neck. There were two videos. I think one, I saw your profile for the first time.

I scanned it. I was like, okay, nice. But I hadn't hit the follow yet. And then the second one was the turtleneck video showing us how to actually wear a turtleneck, fold it in. And I was like, oh, I need more tips like this in my life. Oh, so since those videos, it's been very disappointing um for you no I wouldn't say so I definitely I definitely like tapped like uh shopped some tap to shop links

oh wow definitely influenced oh no I like what I see oh and then I feel like I started following you in the middle of your last pregnancy maybe maybe. I had no idea you were pregnant. And then you posted something that where it was like very, you were talking about being pregnant. I was like, oh, I missed that. How nice. And we were like pregnant, similar timing. Yeah.

I gave, um, yeah, I gave birth to Gigi actually July 4th. And then, and then Charlie was born August 14th. Yes. Okay. I knew we were close. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's been our friendship origin story. Yeah. And then you're down in Florida a good amount. So we got together

a couple of weeks ago. We had lunch. We're just simpatico. Just simpatico until your sister kills me. Right. Right. Right. Well, we fight to the death. Yeah. Well, Turdy, if you're listening, I still love you you know you're my number one and no one will ever replace you but my friend mary orton is you know never and seriously anybody listening for the first time like like come back on monday when claudia is back yeah yeah yeah see the real deal but now that's on me to convince them you know through this show that it's a show worth watching. That's a lot of pressure, Jackie.

But I know you can rise to the challenge. I'm taking a drink here, and I'm so afraid of your listeners. She's a real toaster. She knows the drama. Claudia is so good at this. She pushes the can. She's pushing her mic away to take a sip of her ice. I did make us iced coffees in.

So here's the thing. It's either going to be a noisy reusable glass or it's going to be a non-noisy single use cup pick your fighter yeah and you and you picked the um eco-conscious fighter today classic me classic jackie classic jack's being eco-conscious but i'm so i'm cracking up that you like know all of the ins and outs of the community drama. No, I am, yes. I am very much aware of these issues. And I have never once, as a daily listener, I've never once noticed a click of an ice cube.

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Okay. Our first story today is a little bit, again, I feel like the leading story every day this week has been in one way or another, Taylor and Travis news. However, today these stories are coming in separately. Okay. Because Taylor Swift, the museum of the tortured poets department academy, which is her new album, which drops on Friday. I don't know if you realize that. New Taylor album.

I didn't realize that. I didn't realize that until yesterday. Her Dead Poets Society album is dropping on Friday. So she is in her pre-promo era and there's a bit of a tailored museum in la that's uh presented by spotify where she's sharing lyrics and easter eggs about the album but they're also easter eggs and hidden messages about her relationship with joe alwyn and this is in collaboration with her so she's part of curating this yes like she gave like these they're all like typed up on typewriters like lyrics and

motifs i want to say and one strong motif that i've seen is like she is talking about this statue from the sixth century that was meant to be a gift. It was like a statue of like fertility and womanhood. And it never was gifted. And it kind of like decayed and rotted and decomposed. Okay. And like, it's giving, you know,

that was me in my relationship. Ah, a metaphor, if you will. It's giving metaphor. And I think what maybe she's saying is like, she was with Joe Alwyn for six years like no marriage no kids like I'm just like a woman decomposing over here okay I actually had

a dream last night that Taylor Swift had twins and she named them Olivia and Doreen and Doreen Doreen is is is there a Doreen in Taylor Swift folklore Doreen came from nowhere Olivia is at least like the name of her cat Olivia Benson Olivia's just a gorgeous name it's a gorgeous name but then there was baby Doreen yeah I would have gone Olivia and Jackie Claudia Margo no that those are some names off the top of my head that I would have chosen usually I don't care with Olivia usually I don't share my dreams I'm not a dream sharer like can you find a more uninteresting topic but I like it it's germane to this story she had two baby twin girls with Travis okay and we even got names Olivia Doreen oh my gosh Can you imagine them having children? I mean, yes. So I am not a Taylor, I'm not a Swifty, but I, and like you and I have talked about this. I don't know when everybody hauled

off and like listened to every deep track. Yeah. I said it was probably when you were having kids. I feel like everyone was like passive fans up until the re-recordings I want that's how I see it I feel like after Reputation and then like Lover then like all these with the new albums there were so many easter eggs and then we got Vault Tracks and people just like threw themselves down the rabbit hole but I also I feel the same way where it's like oh I've been a Taylor Swift fan for 15 years I love all of music. I actually know the words to all of her songs, but I missed that. I didn't get on that ride. Yeah, yeah.

And that's where Claudia will call me a hater for that, and I'm like, I literally couldn't be more of a fan. Yeah. No, I have so much respect for Taylor and her fandom, and it's just such a phenomenon to me. I want to study it. But I think the Easter egg a phenomenon to me I like want to study it um but I think the easter egg thing is it seems to me to be such like a dangerous thing because wouldn't that be exhausting to

keep up oh it seems exhausting for her to like plant these things for people to keep up and then I would also be a little worried that people might misinterpret the eggs because it's not like a direct so what if people like got it wrong and everyone's like Taylor said this and it's not like a direct. So what if people got it wrong and everyone's like, Taylor said this. And it's like, no, no, no, that's not what I was saying. Like about the statue even. Yes, yes. So that seems to me to be really just a lot to take on in perpetuity. You're always supposed to have like so many hidden meanings. Yeah.

And I think what if you want to just like walk into a room and say good morning. Right. No, it's coded. And then people are like counting. And that's that I have to say is like i have seen that on on the interwebs of just people being like okay she walked in and said good morning there are 17 letters in that phrase and 17 minus 4 is 13 like that it's giving q anon it's giving q anon you know what it reminds me of did you ever read or watch the movie uh the series of unfortunate

events i know i know it i i haven't if you didn't read the books okay so there's like three kids they're all very gifted and they're like orphaned and they're going through turmoil and the oldest daughter like decodes stuff and like she'll see a letter and she's like count like a written letter and she like pulls out like all the capitalizations And it's an anagram for the secret. That's what Taylor Swift is doing. I'm sure she read those books too. Yes. Count Olaf.

It's giving Count Olaf. Yeah. No. And by the way, quick side note. I know this has been discussed widely. Why must every children's show begin with a dead mom or just fully orphaned children? Why? It's a great question.

Why are they always trying to kill us? I don't know. I feel like people are aware of it. Especially Disney. Especially Disney. Always kill the mom. People are aware of it, but they don't like question it. Okay.

And I feel like it's shows that are at a certain age. Like right now, like toddler shows, no. But, like, we were just watching The Lion King, and the mom is irrelevant in The Lion King, so that's a different problem. Yeah, that's one of the rare dead dad stories. Spoiler alert. Spoiler.

Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. I just, yeah, I feel attacked. Even, like, the newer ones are doing that. Like, Frozen, of course, The Ship. Yeah, yeah, I feel attacked. And it's even like the newer ones are doing that, like Frozen, of course, the ship. Yeah, yeah. Moana? No, but she still has to go out.

It's as if like the kids can't have. Grandma dies right away. Right, but it's as if like the kids can't go on their like growth journey while under the foot of their parents. But it's like maybe we're not supposed to be going on our journey at 12 years old. Yeah. Has Harry, wait, Harry is how old? Two.

Okay, so he has not asked you about death yet. No. Okay. When did your kids? I think Coco, like she's still, she's four, and she still doesn't like totally know what it means. She doesn't understand the finality of it. Yeah.

So I shared this on my Instagram a couple weeks ago, but I was making her a grilled cheese for lunch and it was like a special treat and she was really excited. And she said to me, mommy, I have not had grilled cheese in like 10 years. And I said, wow, that's a really long time. That's, you know, that's longer than you've been alive, sweetie. And she turned green and said, was I dead? It's a good question. And I, um, you know, like any good parent, just immediately distracted, immediately segued into something else so that I could avoid that difficult conversation with my child. Yeah. Because also I'm sure now like the movies that they're watching, there's,

is that what you're saying? Like you're watching those things where there's the death. Cause even when we were watching Lion King, I skipped over that part because one, like not appropriate. And two, we were just, we were just there for Hakuna Matata. So I just like fast forwarded two,

but it's definitely something that I'd noticed. And I'm like, oh, we're not there yet. Yeah. So she knows it's something dramatic but I don't think she understands the finality of it um so it's really it's been a fascinating time since she locked on to that and uh and it's also um it's also something that I think in like

you know around Easter time when there's discussion about, you know, Jesus dying on the cross, that whole thing, they become really fixated on it because they're hearing about it in school, whatnot. So it's, um, it's been a wild ride in my house. Yeah. That's talk. I feel like that's one of a couple of hard conversations as a parent. Yeah. Yeah. So I am looking into military boarding school. But I don't even remember when I learned about it or how I learned about it. I don't either. You just kind of ease into it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot. It's a lot. That is. That we signed up for. It is a lot. Well, that's actually a great segue into part B of our first story, which was Taylor and Travis news. And that's what Travis will be hosting. Are you smarter than a

fifth grader? It is confirmed. We had talked talked about a few weeks ago he was in talks but Amazon's Prime Video is doing a spin-off game show called are you smarter than a celebrity so it will have adult contestants answering sixth grade level questions with the help of some famous faces they've ordered 20 episodes of the show hosted by Travis okay Okay. This is exciting. I think he'll be so good at this, right? I think so too. And it's like, are you smarter than a sixth grader, Travis? Well, that's kind of the interesting thing because not whether or not he's smarter than a sixth grader, but if you are like a celebrity who might need to go on those shows for like press and whatever, being the host is kind of great because you're

never in the hot seat right yeah well let's see get out of jail free card it sounds like it would be a fun concept it will depend what celebrities they have on but I feel like he's really affable and he likes to have a good time and but hosting I feel like they think anyone can host Claudia and I always say this yeah and it's, it's not just something anyone can do. Like, it is a skill. Yes. And he has a podcast, so he might actually be skilled and ready for this and not a bad choice by any means.

But just because you're a celebrity or an actor or a singer, like, doesn't mean that you're a host. Yes. And, like, justice for the hosts. Yes. Who that's their trade. for the for the the the communications majors out there justice for them yeah they're just being erased or or like broadcast journalists yeah i especially agree with you when you talk about this with regards to like

interviews on red carpets right like the the questions are so bad yeah it's never interesting so nobody really watches those shows anymore yeah but. But like there are people, they go to school for that. That's their, let's hire them. Let's do those ones. Yeah. Not the celebrity who has nothing to say. Not that I would be good at that either, but let's find the expert. Let's find the trained professional. Um, I, and this also makes me think when was the last time this show was airing because it was our it started out are you smarter than a fifth grader yes it was on fox and i don't know when it ended in 2007 is when it started oh wow okay yeah um i this does make me sort of nostalgic for like when i was i don't know i guess in high school maybe when it was like the height of

those of like who wants to be a millionaire. And I kind of miss those days where everybody watched something. Now there are so many game shows and so many streamers and everyone has their own thing, but there's not like the big one. Right. Well, what I, what I, I was having this conversation with a friend who works for one of the big streamers and I was watching, I'm forgetting what show it was, but it was one where they had the audacity to be dropping it on a weekly basis. And I was saying to her, I was like, no, um, I haven't seen that. Like, don't kill me. I haven't seen that one. It's okay. You came at a good time because now discussion has ended. It's okay.

You came at a good time because now discussion has ended. Yeah. Okay. But I was saying like, how dare you not drop everything at once so that I can binge it? Right. And she was talking to me about how it, you know, the full season drop is so difficult from a PR perspective because when everybody is watching on a weekly basis, then in the press, they have a better cadence for like knowing when it's appropriate to talk about each episode.

And so when it's dropped all at once, people are kind of like, well, what part of it do I talk about? And I just miss those days when you would like go to school after everybody had watched last night's episode. Yeah. We're like, they missed the million dollar question or whatever, you know, those kinds of, of you know bringing people together i agree and i understand from a pr

perspective and they want to drag it out and get everyone excited but it's like okay so when you started the binge watching right and you made us addicts where was your pr concerns then right you know you did that's the issue it's like i we were always getting episodes weekly and we weren't complaining we need more now and it was actually kind of crazy when they put all seasons at once and it started this like behavior of people like staying in all weekend to watch a show which is when you think about it so unhealthy but so normalized right now but like that wasn't what life was like when we were growing up, that you would just sit in your house and stare at your TV set for 48 hours

and then go back to school. Right, right, right, right, yeah. The streamers gave us. They made us addicts, and now we have withdrawal. Yeah, withdrawal. Yeah. But I think that that's what they wanted. They, like, want us to be addicted and breaking free from the cycle.

It's very upsetting. It's all very wanted. They want us to be addicted. I'm breaking free from the cycle. It's very upsetting. It's all very upsetting. Yeah. Well, this is exciting news, not upsetting news. I agree. Do you think Taylor will be a guest? I don't think so. But honestly, I feel like every time I call something about these two,

like, oh, no, they wouldn't. Like, they do. I couldn't agree more. You know what I mean? Like, at the outset I was so on board with I think it was Claudia who was like I promise you these two people have never met and I was like yes yeah and then we were it's like there's no way she would go down to the field it's no way she would he would go to her show there's no way like Coachella if you told me

they were going to Coachella they were going to be in the pit and they were going to go to neon carnival and listen to James Kennedy DJ I would have said like no way ever so and now when and now when I see this, I'm like, oh, there's no way she would like infringe on like his gig. But I don't think he sees relationships in the world like that. I think he's like, come on, baby. It's fun. Not like you're stepping on my toes and making me feel emasculated. Yes. That he certainly seems to be so supportive and so confident and secure. Yeah. And like we both have our things and like genuinely excited for her. Yeah.

Which must be so exciting. Yeah. For her. Yes. I totally agree. So I will, I'll check it out. I'm happy for him. Yeah.

On Amazon Prime you said? On Amazon Prime. Our next story is a bit of sports news. You know, we love sports, but Caitlin Clark, who is the women's basketball player who's been breaking records, setting records, making headlines, has just been drafted to the WNBA and her salary has people in a tizzy. And her salary has people in a tizzy. Oh.

Yes. So she was the first draft for the WNBA. And she will be making, I need to pull up the, here. And she's going where to the? She's going to the, hold on. Indiana. The Indiana. Fever. I love the Indiana fever. I love the Indiana fever. Caitlin Clark is going to the Indiana fever. Now the conversation is about her salary because she is making in five years, roughly like

three, uh, right under $400,000. So when you break it out year by year, it's like 79,000, 80,000 per year to be the number one, the best in the WNBA. And then you compare it to the men's basketball and the first pick for men's Victor Webinyama got a $55 million contract. And so people are upset about that, which is upsetting when you think about it but the problem is I feel like everyone who's upset about it like seriously wouldn't be caught dead watching the WNBA so like you're part of the problem right I think that's I think that's fine I mean it is a it is a business right like they make so much money at the end like you can't even compare and so to be upset I saw like Hoda was talking about it on her show and she was upset that 55 million compared to like 400,000 which is insane

and like I you know she's saying it's like a gender pay gap and of course it's gendered because people want to watch the men play and the women for whatever reason I don't watch either so this isn't I don't contribute to this issue I'm proud to say right um but it's a business right yeah I yeah I see both sides of the argument and I I but I also feel like you know the the suggestion with regard to the complaints about it the suggestion is that the WNBA is making the same amount of bringing in the same amount of revenue as the NBA and is just like sitting on all the cash and only giving Caitlyn five dollars which I don't think which is not what it is but sorry no I was going to say like the issue is a smaller issue of the

bigger issue which is just the WNBA versus the NBA and like yes why is one organization like so massive and the other is not, but that just comes down to like people being interested in something you like can't for like, you can't make fetch happen. I feel that way a little bit about what they're doing here with soccer and that's men. So I'll go ahead and say it. Like, I don't know how much money can you spend? Can you get people to care about something in the way that they care about sports. Like you can't even, you can't market for that. Like that's just an organic thing. Right.

Well, maybe Caitlyn will succeed in changing that and bringing more eyeballs and more revenue to the WNBA because I mean, people have just been so captivated by her and she's so talented. Yeah. Maybe she'll bring in more viewers. She'll definitely get endorsement deals and she'll make plenty of money. Yes. But it just like speaks to this bigger issue of the WNBA versus the NBA, which is a bigger, a big issue before Caitlin Clark came on the scene.

Yeah. Yeah. I had an uncle who is now past who loved watching the WNBA because he was an avid like basketball player himself. because he was an avid basketball player himself. And watching the women was more like the way that women in the NBA, women's basketball players play, is more akin to a normal person playing versus in the NBA,

the men are doing so many tricks and superhuman type things. So maybe Caitlyn will just bring a lot of people and, you know, solve the problem. Yeah, that would be great. But like, I'm sorry, you guys have to watch like everyone who's angry about it. Like, are you watching the WMA? Yeah. Otherwise, what is there to say? But I'm sure you caught the NBA finals and you can name like 10 NBA players.

Yeah. So again, I don't watch either. Not my problem. I'm not a part of the problem. So again, I don't watch either. Not my problem. I'm not a part of the problem. I am neither the problem nor the solution. An objective. And of course, like it's messed up. Like this girl's at the peak of talent.

Yeah, yeah. But she's in the wrong industry then if she was here to make millions. Yeah. And I feel like, I can't remember if Claudia and I had this exact conversation, but there are jobs, not necessarily sports. the only sport I can think of where women's is a lot better than men's is gymnastics and also I was thinking of volleyball is there men's volleyball yes there is see for sure but it's all about the women yes but I also feel that way like there are

industries and jobs where like women make so much more than their male counterparts like modeling yeah yeah so we've got our things we've got our things too so I don't know what to tell you guys like stream WNBA or else like or else keep it shut like it is what it is but I'm happy for her i'm happy i hope she does great things i hope people do stream wmba and and one day she gets a 55 million dollar contract i'm going to manifest it for her i will join you our next story rebecca minkoff has been shooting for the real housewives of new york city so do you watch any real houses of new New York city? I don't watch the new, so I'm with you. So I watch no reality TV, which is obviously a character flaw. I,

I don't know how, like, I don't know how to get into it now because I'm so far gone. Like what, like which franchise do I choose? Do I just start at season one and I just have to like catch up on 22 seasons of each, each franchise. Um, but this is the reboot right yes so if you were to start something actually starting

roni reboot you can watch last season and this is the new one the issue is is that that's not the greatest okay because the original seasons like that's where legends were made yes now they're trying to recreate the magic I don't think anybody who watched Roni reboot first season is like, this is the best thing ever. I think it had its moments and people like resonated with some of the cast members, but it's not the magic of Ramona and Luann and Sonia. Okay. I have to say that everything I know about reality TV, I know from this show. Okay. And so we'll be aligned and yeah, so we'll be aligned but also um the way that i have like internalized your and and claudia's opinions on reality stars that i've never watched um i was at the grocery store like at the height of the sandoval stuff and there was a tabloid um with tom sandoval's face it's like tom sandoval blah blah blah and i'm standing there with my husband

and it and we were like getting donuts or something with with the girls on a weekend day and i was like oh tom sandoval i hate that guy and rich was like who is that and why do you hate him and i was like i have no idea um jackson claude told you him and uh them's the rules them's the rules well on that one that wasn't even a hot take of ours. I know. That was like the universe. Now our hot take is. The universe raining on that guy. Yeah. The take that's warm now is give Sandoval grace.

Okay. Okay. Which, sorry, let me give an asterisk. Give Sandoval grace if he is going to continue to be on the reality show that we are watching with people who will not speak to him. It's not good for the sake of the reality show. Therefore, we should give him some grace so we can move forward that's that's the take now yes and I that I'm sure that's a very good take and just like the take that you know maybe stop like dehumanizing him and right right publicly like flogging him is is probably yeah

yeah um so wait so for this reboot how did the first season do i think because wasn't there a discussion about whether it was gonna continue or yeah i think it was decent it wasn't amazing but definitely not like terrible and abysmal that they are gonna pull the plug okay jenna lions was on the first season and she's not coming back for the second season she's officially not coming back yes so rebecca minkoff is now rumored to be filming for the second season she's officially not coming back yes so Rebecca Minkoff is now rumored to be filming for the show as well unclear if she'll be the full cast member friend of but I wouldn't be surprised if she's full and this is they're getting you know another fashion heavyweight to replace the other one because I think people were really excited about Jenna

Lyons when the first season premiered of new Roni that was the only recognizable name and i think they they want that clout still so this is a really great substitution yes and she i i don't know what her personality wise but definitely we like to watch interesting women and yeah i think she has the makings of very interesting yeah she's very very talented and i i've I've met her a couple times and she's very nice humble oh my gosh yeah she met Rebecca Minkoff turdy yeah um but she's very she's very nice and kind and like I would put her in the same bucket as Jenna Lyons is kind of serious and um this seems sort of like out of the typical of what I what one might expect her to do um so that makes it exciting and interesting and she will lend that yeah that fashion and I feel like for for a New York based

Real Housewives you've got to have like a fashion player in there right yeah you know I agree with that yeah and for the interest of people like she could bring in new viewers and they kind of they could always use more viewers yeah yeah so i think having like that name will be very exciting for people it even happens on beverly hill sometimes like when they cast denise richards and it was like oh my god we know her and it even sometimes the most recognizable housewife isn't the best housewife in fact usually it's not because they have a lot to lose um but it's definitely throws an interesting factor into the mix yeah so i'm here for it me

too are you ready for our next story which is a bit of legal news that we had discussed over the years that now um the wheels of justice have turned out and this is what we got so if you remember two anna de armas fans were suing universal Studios for false advertising because they went to rent the movie yesterday on Amazon Prime and Ana de Armas was in the trailer and they watched the whole movie only to find out that she had been cut. And they said that was false advertising and so they sued. So the two men who rented yesterday on Amazon Prime only to discover that Ana de Armas was not in the final cut of the film

have settled their false advertising lawsuit. They sued Universal in 2022 alleging that they were each cheated out of $3.99. A federal judge initially sided with them finding that movie trailers are not immune from false advertising claims but various setbacks followed leaving the men on the hook for $126,000 in Universal legal fees. On Friday they accepted a settlement that will resolve the case. The terms were not disclosed. Neither side responded to a request for comment. However, from the evidence of the court filings, nobody was happy with the outcome.

Universal believes it was forced to spend two years and hundreds of thousands of dollars defending a patently frivolous lawsuit. Meanwhile, the plaintiff's class action lawyers, who initially believed the claim was worth millions, ended up believing that California's courts are rigged in favor of the Hollywood studios. studios and and to be clear you said 399 they were robbed of 399 that's three dollars and 99 cents which was the purchase price of the film yeah oh dear god i

mean it is like that's an interesting precedent i feel like so often you watch a movie trailer and there's like a funny line in it and then you watch the movie and the line is actually not in it now i don't feel like so offended that i need to sue um but maybe we should be keeping our trailers honest universal totally they took the position that movie trailers are works of art and therefore they should be protected by the first amendment they warned that if they were merely treated as advertising viewers could sue every time they thought a movie didn't live up to the trailer. Yes. Facts.

Facts. In my opinion, it is totally wild that they included her in the trailer and she's not in the film. Like, that's objectively wild, right? Yeah, but I think it. But do we sue over that? No, we don't sue. My God.

I think that it was before she was a a big actress so she filmed some stuff and then when they made the trailer for prime she was a bigger actress so they put her in it I don't even and like when you search like if I want to go watch all Anna de Armas movies you search her and then she'd come up in yesterday because technically she's in the movie and she probably got paid for it but she didn't make the final cut but she's a part of the movie okay i see both sides i totally i totally see both sides because i think it's a very annoying thing to do and yet it is such a frivolous lawsuit right yeah also the movie is bad so they should have been sued for that for the waste of time and to you and that like to universal's point if you know you're allowed to sue every time it's false advertising it looked good but it wasn't yeah it looked good

but it was trash um yeah that that establishes some dangerous precedent yeah very interesting and also like i wonder how like anna Yeah. She probably is pissed that they included her in the trailer. Where is Anna DeArmas? I don't know. Has she done anything since the Marilyn Monroe? I don't know. I feel like she was everywhere. And then all of a sudden, remember when she was dating Ben Affleck?

I really would have bet money on them and been wrong. Nothing since Blonde. Okay. She's and been wrong. Nothing since blonde. Okay. She's taking time off. She deserves it. Yeah. After that big trailer gig. After trailer gate.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she's probably like, I want to lay low for a second. Yeah, yeah, yeah. These people are like smearing my good name. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. It's crazy on all sides yeah well so i'm glad they

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match between kelly clarkson and her ex brandon blackstock yeah so more lawsuits between kelly and her former mans he hit back at her in a new lawsuit after the $2.6 million ruling that we shared a few weeks ago. On Monday, he responded to her latest lawsuit in which she claimed he should pay her more than $2.6 million that the California Labor Commissioner ruled that he owed her for illegally acting like an unlicensed talent agent since 2007 when she entered into an oral agreement with his family's company. Per the documents obtained by Page Six, he denied each and every allegation made by Kelly and argued the filing should be dismissed because the labor commissioner's ruling was made in

November 2023. Since Kelly failed to file a notice of appeal within 10 days from when the decision was made, I'm choked up because he's coming for my girl ma'am yeah from a sweetheart from when the decision was made in order to request more than the 2.6 million dollars that was ruled upon he and his attorney's claim it is outside the proper jurisdiction to file a separate lawsuit now according to the docs geez this man take the l bro take the l and it's like i feel like sometimes maybe somebody's name is Spirit and they don't deserve it and they're going to fight tooth and nail to clear it up. But this is Kelly.

Like, I just don't see a world in which she is the villain of this story and how you could ever change people's minds about that. Yeah. No, you're never going to do it. It's impossible she's kelly clarkson yeah she is beloved beloved and it's so funny that her power and she's so powerful it comes from love like it doesn't come from like fear or like she's just this big almighty person it's like she's wormed her way into our hearts yeah and you can't fight that right so she's trying to file this now and he's responding

yeah saying that like this is a garbage suit because she said he owes 2.6 million dollars because he was like acting as her agent like yikes yikes i could just she wants to to sort of claw back the commissions yeah that were earned under false pretenses yeah yikes that is um i i mean knowing nothing about the specifics of this case i also am just like oh wouldn't you want to be done yeah both sides like i just want to be i agree with that but i feel like from what i've seen he's not letting stuff go to like he's trying to get houses and this and that so she's just like oh well you want to go there i'm going here he tried to get their prenup thrown out oh that would have been nice for him yeah you know like this man can't blame a guy for trying right i feel like for him he needs to let it go like he needs to does he what does he

do do we know what he does so i think that he was like working as a talent, his dad is a big agent, I think. He was Reba's husband, actually. An agent? I don't know. He's in the industry. Actually, the husband, Brandon, was Blake Shelton's agent for a time. But then when things went south with him and Kelly, Blake Shelton dropped him. Got it. And so was he acting as a fake agent for all of these people?

Because that's the basis of this lawsuit, right? That he was not, in fact, a licensed agent for all of these people because that's the basis of this lawsuit right i don't know if he was not in fact a licensed agent great question i don't know if he was fake for them or just like he was handled like him and kelly never had a contract so he was just like being the husband like oh i'll negotiate this for you babe okay it's like oh well no oh yikes messy so messy and yeah and does she have any she has a new album coming out or just she her album came out in the spring so almost a year ago but it good i'm so i'm just a year behind you're just one year behind but you're never too late because her music is timeless and eternal so true and if and i and even the older albums to me like are are her greatest works like piece by piece album yeah um

i mean we could go all the way back you know all i ever wanted it's just it all ages like a fine wine yeah but how can she sing since you've been gone if you won't go the fuck away if you won't be gone it's a great question yeah so just him again what can you do classic brandon blackstock classic poor kelly i know justice for kelly it's like and she has just so much great things going on for her and you just feel this is just like an anchor like tethered to her ankle like well that's and that but that's what brings me back to the idea that like from if i mean from her perspective like 0 let him have 2.6 mil? Yeah.

But he's already taken so much, Jackie. Here I am knowing nothing about the specifics and I'm just immediately on board with Kelly and feel that she's been. Maligned. Maligned, yeah. I agree. Okay. I stand with Kelly.

To no surprise to no one. Yeah. Ugh. Are you ready for Dear Toasters?ary orton it's your time jackie i'm so excited for dear toasters and as someone who was born in the late 1900s i do feel like i've seen some shit you know yeah i've seen some shit and i and i have some advice to give i agree i'm excited to hear your. So dear toasters is our weekly advice segment. You can submit to dear toasters at gmail.com. You can submit on our website if you

want it to be more anonymous and we will give you advice as best as we can. Can I ask you, have you ever, this is one of my favorite segments that you guys do. And have you ever had, um, I love it when you, when you give advice and then you say play this play this episode for your boyfriend and let him let him listen to what we have and and so I'm wondering have you ever heard from the other party no because if we had we would update everyone like anytime there's any sort of update we share it so I just like to think when there's no update it's like you took our advice it worked swimmingly no news is good news and you're off enjoying this beautiful life okay okay i was hoping maybe you've gotten like an angry dm from a um a spouse oh you know what

disgruntled boyfriend being like no no well here's what she left out we have we got a message maybe from our website. Oh my gosh, I would need to go find it. It was absurd. Oh no. It was like, he was clearly so like crazy. Okay. He didn't like our advice. Okay.

This is, see, this is what I was thinking. Yeah. I'm going to find it after the show for you. And you guys aren't missing out on anything, but it was just from a nut. And I hope that our advice to her was to leave him because the email was seriously unhinged. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yikes.

Okay, first up to your toasters. Hi, Jackson Turdy Lou, crossed out Mary Orton. Long-time listener, first-time writer, here's the gist. When I met my husband and I had these huge fake boobs, we fell in love and decided we wanted to have kids, so I ended up getting a second boob job to drastically decrease the size since I knew that during pregnancy and breastfeeding, our boobs getting been bigger. Fast forward to a couple kids later, I decided I want a mommy makeover.

I had a tummy tuck, a lift, and new implants. I went back to big implants because I thought that's what I wanted. It was a long recovery, and afterwards, my husband said I should be done. We have kids now, and it's nerve-wracking for him the thought of something going wrong while under the knife. I agreed at the time, but now it's two years since, and hate my boobs they're so big and cartoonish and i'm just not the 21 year old girl with big boobs that i used to be i'm scared to bring this up to him i made my bed so should i just lay in it it's not causing any physical pain but with my style changing i

just feel like big boobs don't go with my aesthetic i'm trying to achieve any advice love you bye wow this is layered i have so many different thoughts I have so many thoughts so she's had it already done three times three times damn is that is that normal to have like them made smaller in anticipation of having children um yes I think well like a lot of people do that I don't think a lot of people do that I've heard of people like um making them smaller like after children and then wishing that they waited because they wind up having more kids and then your boobs get bigger again. But to go big and then small and then kids and then big, that's a lot of surgeries.

And I feel like I'm looking forward to the day where I get my one, but I'm also a little bit like nervous about it. But you just like casually, what if I just got a boob job today? You know, make me think differently about it. Yeah. Well, I think in general, your body, if you, like, for your life, and if you want smaller boobs, like, you should get them. And I understand completely where your husband's coming from.

Like, it is nerve-wracking, and surgeries are a big deal. But you can't, like, live the rest of your life feeling uncomfortable and just not happy because of that. And you've been through it three times already. But what I want to say, and this isn't helpful to you since you're already in this position, but just like to other people is like, these are really big changes to be making on a whim. Yes. I feel as though you should want it for years before you do it. That's what I was just going to say. I was going to say, I think you have to ask yourself

two questions. Number one, and like, be honest with yourself. Is there any part of you that thinks you're always just wanting what you, what you don't have? Because I, so not to be a male apologist here, but I do understand his concern that this is major surgery, right? Um, so you don't want to keep doing this. So I would ask like, okay, are you sure it's, it's what you want or it's, or are you perhaps just thinking I want what I don't have? Yeah. And if you want that now and maybe in five years you'll want them big again, like maybe you should just go medium. And then the second question that I would ask is if the most recent time you did it was just two years ago, how long have you wanted the change and just make sure it's been like many months many years I'm sorry I would say many years but I would sit on the cosmetic decision

for years but it's something that has to bother me for years I have to be so sure about it not just like trying I know trends change and yeah you might want something now and I feel like when people do stuff when they're younger that's always what they say like I just wish I waited so my advice to everyone is like to wait on these things my advice to you I also would say to wait because you might change your mind again um but I understand like why you want to go small but now I'm worried that you won't want to stay small now I'm worried about that that's what I'm worried about so so just give yourself some time to make sure that it's absolutely what you want so that it can be the last time that you do it. And you live with these big boosters so long that you absolutely hate them.

And then by the time you change them, you would never go back. Do you know how, cause like, I, yeah, I would say like, so, so that you make sure that it's the last, it's the last time that you do it. But do you still have to have them redone every 10 years or something or whatever? Yeah. They say like every 10 years, but I wonder if, if that's like without an implant, like if you don't have an implant and it's just like, you're taking your implant or maybe you're getting a smaller one. I think if, if there's anything in there you have to do. Every decade or something. Okay. Um, so,

so you could wait for the 10 year. Okay. And then go small. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. That's a good, that's a good option if you have to do it anyway um i have never had any plastic surgery of any kind but funny story um i got an email from someone this is now many years ago and she lives in south carolina and she said hey i don't know if you know this but there is a plastic surgery practice here who's using your images on their website and the and is there a higher compliment no no no it was specifically for their breast reduction page that that's where they felt my images were needed um so they said that so first of all how dare you second of all i immediately emailed them and was like yeah yeah, so go ahead and remove those images.

Wait, so what were they saying? That you were a client? No, so they weren't using my name. They needed a background image for the top of the landing page of a smiling woman. You are kind of like textbook smiling woman. Well, yeah. So they found, I'm assuming they just Googled smiling woman and there's yeah so they found up I'm assuming they just like googled you know smiling woman and I popped up and they just even though you were headless for

so long even though I was headless for so long um yeah so that was you've never done like any modeling where you like have like you're not part of like a stock image database absolutely not but this has happened to me twice um so once with this this plastic surgery practice was using my images that they had just like ripped from my website and then the second time that this happened um was there was this big uh building development in midtown Manhattan and they needed you know on on like the billboards that they put to cover the sort of ground level of all the construction and they have renderings on those billboards of like what, what the building will look like. And they've got like fake people walking through lobbies and whatever. And they took a picture of me and walking down the street and they cut out

my figure and put it like bigger than life-size Jackie. Okay. So this is where kind of the face of the building. No, this was like, so there's like an eight foot version of me walking in Midtown Manhattan. So like for, for the two years that it was up there and I was, you know, trying to get it taken down, but then I was just like, whatever. I would constantly have friends who would be like selfie-ing in front of the, the Mary Orton on Fifth Avenue. Yeah. So hysterical. And humiliating. No, not. I feel like if you look at Mary Orton's content, like, yeah, if I was building a building and I wanted like a glamorous woman to be the face of it, like that's your like vibe. That's what you exude.

It was like, it was like me in a, in a, like a gray pantsuit or something walking. It was just very, I, it was was very it was giving stock image it's giving smiling women like like everyone wants you to sell their products do you have a picture of it um i this was like 2014 so it would probably give me a minute maybe a different phone to dig it up yeah oh definitely this is like seven phones ago like even though that's illegal and you know you have to protect your image i would also like subconsciously like be very flattered. I was just humiliated. That was the primary feeling that I felt for those two years.

Every time. You should have said I want a free apartment. I should have. I really should have. That's fair. It was a commercial building. So they would have had to rezone it. Orton HQ.

Orton headquarters. I like that. Yeah. Missed opportunity on my part yeah well um so yeah wait on the boob job is all to say just make sure yeah that's a lot of that's it's hard on your body so this we want this to be the final one until 10 years but i like our idea of waiting the 10 years like and even though yeah you're uncomfortable for eight years like then you won't want to go back you can be sure of that yeah thanks next question hi Jackson Mary Orton new mama here and looking for some advice obviously this is years in the future if it ever even presents itself but here's the situation I have been deeply insecure about my nose since as early

as fifth grade and would cry that I couldn't afford a nose job I have since grown up gotten married to my dream man and still haven't gotten a nose job. I got the guy and wedding pictures have come and gone. So getting a nose job now just isn't at the top of my list. Even though if the opportunity presented itself, I would definitely get one. So eight months ago, I gave birth to the most perfect angel girl. And immediately I knew she got my nose. Obviously as a mom, looking at my daughter, she's perfection. I hate that I even noticed she has my most hated feature on myself, but on her stunning. While I will always tell her that if she came to me crying one day that she hates her nose, I will understand that all too well.

Should I be the mom that keeps reminding her that she's perfect the way she is or allow her to get a nose job when she's old enough? Because I don't want her to look at herself in the mirror the way that I do to myself. Thank you for your time and advice. Love a mama who wants her girl to have the world. Oh, okay. So first of all, I will say there is no way you know that she has your nose. Yeah. Like the, the changes that Mike, you know, when, when Coco, for example, was born for the first year of her life, we were like, she's rich as clone.

I was like, I had nothing to do with this baby. And then now she's like my, my twin, she looks exactly like I did as a little girl. So they change so much. There's no way you are looking at an eight-month nose. I mean, you may feel like there are some similarities, but you never know. You never know. But operating under the premise that she grows up and has her nose. I would say two things. Number one, make sure, try to make sure that you never say something disparaging

about your nose in front of her. Because I have a, I have a friend who had this situation with her mom and, and her mom would always talk about how she hated her ankles and was like, oh, I have thick ankles. I hate my ankles, blah, blah, blah. And so that like instilled, and it's not like she was telling the daughter, like your ankles are thick and hideous. Yeah. But she was saying disparaging things about her own. And the daughter has eyeballs and was like, oh, okay. So I guess I should be, you know, ashamed of mine.

So try not to do that. Yeah. Like a project at all, which is, it's hard because it's such a big part of like how you think of yourself and like just how you are. Yeah. But if she does come to the conclusion that she doesn't like her nose, like let it not be a seed that you planted in some way or other. Exactly.

And so I think it would be obvious to think, well, I'm never going to say anything to her about her nose, but also make sure you're not saying things about your nose in front of her. And then the second thing I would say is if it does get to that point where she feels the way that you felt, tell her this story that you're telling us. Be like, I also hated it. And then I had you and I loved it. And now it doesn't bother me. And now I feel like it's this special thing that we have and whatever and then let her make her decision that's what I would say

it sounds like it still bothers her though her yeah the mom that's true that's true so maybe I would just like let her grow up see what happens I mean a lot of girls do get their nose done kind of young and like it's no big deal. Maybe do a mother daughter nose job one day if you both come to the same conclusion. But like, I would try and like zoom out on it and like even zoom out on her face, like put it to the back of your mind as best as you can. Like it's not an issue for today. And even if someone has like a good nose everyone has insecurities everyone has things that like they can't wait to fix when they're older or things that like

they think everybody's looking at them for and it might not be their nose but everybody has those things so it's it's just a part of life to like be self-conscious about something um you could fix it if you want to and or, or don't, if you don't want to, but I would just like take the pressure off the situation a little bit. Like even if she has your nose and it's a bad nose, like, okay. Yeah. Okay. We're going to be okay. Yeah. And then let her, and then let her make her, her decision. And even if you, you know, even if this mom still hates her nose or, or doesn't love it she's clearly found some acceptance and comfort in the connection with the with the daughter who potentially has it so I would tell

her that when she's old enough to make her own decision and like how bad can a nose be like it's not a great but like there are some people who have like famously bad noses who like never change them and like still it's not like they're hugely could be her greatest hugely successful people she could become a yeah i think it's just not as big of a deal as you're making it up to be because you're already worried about something that's like so far down the line it's like clear that it consumes your thoughts but if you can like release yourself from it for the time being because it's okay. It's just a nose and they can be changed if need be. Yes. And at the end of the day,

like you do not know that she has your nose. You really don't. I promise. Yeah. Okay. Third and final dear toasters. So far we've been aligned. Maybe this one will drive Mary and I apart.

I love my husband, but sometimes his jokes just aren't funny. We've had a few family gatherings recently, and at each one he makes the joke that I'm pregnant to his parents. He thinks it's funny, but his parents look so excited only to be crushed a minute later when they find out it's a joke. I told him to stop and that it's not funny at all, but he insists that they, that him and his family have that type of relationship where it's normal to joke around. They do not have any grandkids and always let us know where they're waiting so this feels truly cruel this isn't a funny joke right am i a wet blanket or reasonably annoyed well this is an easy one reasonably annoyed period period i hate when people like make unfunny jokes and they're

like i just like to joke around i'm like well where's the joke bro like I'm sorry telling someone that you're first of all pregnancy is never something to be joked about that's like what every like adult person understands at this point especially when it's a sensitive subject there aren't kids who knows what's going on like it's just never something that you joke about period so for that reason he's wrong on. But like, say it was a joke about something else. Like, it's got to be funny to be a joke. Right. And I have to say, I know so many people who have made these jokes. And I know your husband, like, there is no malintent.

Like, this, he really does not appreciate. And usually, you know, these jokes come from people who have never you know lost a baby or struggled to conceive or whatever and so you just got to tell him that you have to tell him like first of all it's not funny like you're talking about my body like it's weird it's just weird and like on its face makes me uncomfortable and that should be enough for him you know right to like not keep pushing the joke but also and it's also mean to his parents who keep getting their hopes up like that's not a joke to tell someone something untrue and like then say oh kidding like okay yeah like you're yeah and for

whenever the day does come that you are pregnant there it's the boy who cried wolf it's like okay you and your jokes goodbye this needs to be like shut down shut down and maybe you just need to explain that to him like yeah like you know I don't know if you guys have tried or not tried or where you're at or if you even plan to have children but you know maybe he needs to be told like it's just like this is just not something you joke about but also if you need a reason, like what if we do have trouble or whatever, or what if, you know, other people in your family have trouble and it's just, it's a sensitive thing. That's not a joke. And it's, he's probably like, you know, we joke like this in my family all the time, but clearly by his parents' reaction, they don't.

And it's like, maybe he's been making these jokes and nobody knows how to tell him like, we don't like your jokes. And that's a wife's job to say, we don't like your jokes. Yeah. We're not going to take them anymore. Yeah. Yeah. This, this got to put a lid on that one. Yeah.

Yikes. Yikes. But at least that's case closed. We can agree there. And, and I will say like, I, I do think because I, I mean, we've all seen people make these jokes and it's often like innocently meant yeah he he's not a we're not saying he's a bad guy no he just doesn't understand clear to him that this is not funny yeah not funny period okay well that's your

toasters and that's our show with Mary Orton Jackie thank you so much for having me thank you for coming here I'm so excited that we got to host together in studio together. The start of a beautiful friendship. I got to meet Brew. It's just a perfect day. Isn't Brew? Look at him. He's sitting on the remote podcasting chair just off camera and he's he's just a gift. He brought a gift to us all. He has his blanket up there. I'm going to take a picture of him and I'll post it so you guys can see. Like he got. He's sleeping soundly.

Perhaps because we didn't talk enough about sports. Perhaps. Or we didn't talk enough about brew. True. Which would lull anyone to sleep. Yeah. Well, I hope you enjoyed this episode. I will be back tomorrow with a remote episode with Lauren Elizabeth.

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