The Toast - Nothing Will Ever Be The Same Again: Thursday, May 15th, 2025

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

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It's Jackson Claude and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the fast five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly, it's The Toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy Thursday. That actually, I don't know what it feels like, but it doesn't feel like, I know it's technically like a Friday for you. It's a Friday for me.

It feels like the last day of camp. I'll see you next summer. I'm counting the days. We've been living 10 months for two. And we're going to be living 10 months for two again. It's so true. We're breaking. I guess it's the last day of've been living 10 months for two. And we're gonna be living 10 months for two again. It's so true. We're breaking, I guess it's the last day of school because we are breaking for summer.

Yes, so even though it is Thursday, today is Jack's final episode in the studio this week because tomorrow's episode is gonna be Ben and I. It kind of worked out perfectly that the last episode of Before My Maternity Leave would be Ben and I. We need to hear from the two of you, send you off a big farewell. I have a personal matter to attend to tomorrow

so I can't do the toast, but I agree. Like there's something very full circle about you and Ben saying goodbye, sending off together. Cause I'm leaving on maternity. I literally tried to spell maternity like on my phone the other day, texting. It's a word that's no longer in my vocabulary because maternity is the current,

Merriam-Webster needs to update her website. The maternity takeover. So this is our last episode of pregnant podcasting publicly in person together. Tomorrow you and Ben, and then we're off next week. And then I'll be back with Jackson friends after Memorial Day. Can you tease one person who's being,

who's Jackson friendzine with you? The first person. No, not the first. I was going to say who's being, who's Jackson frenzing with you? The first person. No, not the first. I was gonna say the first person, but it's not. I was the first person I'm recording. Oh, I was gonna tease. I don't know how to tease this, but one of the people that I'm recording with,

you and I have been talking about all morning, having nothing to do with the fact that I am recording with her. Is that? Yeah. Oh yeah, not us. We're gonna find ourselves at the center of a lot of drama. Maybe over the course of this episode,

when we talk about the things that interest us, you'll understand what we've been talking about all morning. Just know, like this person will be discussed on the toast today. And then she also will be co-hosting with Jackie next week or the week after next. Yeah, exactly. So we're making waves.

We're kind of at the epicenter of all things pop culture. Nothing new here. Right, so I think that's a really exciting tease. And then I would say the other co-hosts, so interesting, so many people in media. So many different media publications. So many moguls. Two men.

Two men, okay, I know one. Who? You don't know how to mouth, like what are you saying? It's three letters. Oh, mogul, okay, way to give it away. Yeah, yeah, yeah, too many media. Too many media. Too many media, and then the person that I just discussed,

it's a four day week, how am I? And then another woman in media in a major way. Yes, wow, you kind of have like an amazing setup for your New York week. I forgot. No, I'm telling you guys, I have really cast a wide net. I'm so excited to talk to all these folks and it's gonna be really great. So not to jump the gun and we're gonna miss you

and we love you. Of course, of course. And it's maternity. Yeah, no, and everyone's gonna miss me. And it's still about you. And they're gonna miss you so much, yeah. And you're gonna be so missed, but you will be so fed. Vigils will be held in my honor. But it's still about you this week,

and I'm just gonna stop talking about what's happening when you're not here. No, no, I'm thrilled. I'm excited for the toasters and all the new guests that are gonna be coming and taking my place, and everyone's gonna be like, we need more Jackson Blank. You know.

Jackson Blank. You need more Jackson Clerd. That would also have been a good name for the five weeks without you. Jackson Blank. Yeah, it's just kind of name for the five weeks without you. Jackson Blank. Yeah, it's just kind of, it's very open-ended. Yeah, like I actually love that. You guys can't see, but Rodeo's in the studio today.

Do you see him? Make sure he's not like doing anything bad, right? No, we would hear it. Okay. He's not, you have to trust your boy. Anybody want him on camera? Oh, he'll make his way. Okay.

Make way, make way. The way that I'm on to new is where you are. Where you are. How are the stories today? We have summer house recap which I almost didn't watch but I watched this morning and I'm glad I did. It was kind of a titillating episode and so many people are like flip-flopping sides. I was reading the toasters and like the Facebook group. I need to start calling it the toasters group. I was team Lexi like and now I'm team Jazzy now. I was team Jaz Jessie now I'm team Lexi. Really, I'm feeling more steadfast in my take than ever.

I know, I'm just trying to hold onto the piece of me that likes Jessie at all as a person. I left that piece behind this morning. You did? Yeah, no, I really, and then I saw a clip of him like being caught in a lie on Watch Drops and Zline. I'm like, this person's like a full blown liar. Damn.

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And if it's sold out, it's available for pre-order. So check it out. Check it out. Yeah, I'm glad that we did watch Summer House. We had a successful transfer last night. So I was able to watch my program. Good, good, good, good, good. But then I wanted to watch what happens live because I did watch my screener because I watched on my computer. I was able to watch my program. But then I wanted to watch, watch what happens live.

Cause I did watch my screener for, cause I watched on my computer, I was too lazy. And I couldn't figure out the hotel TV to get off channel New York one. So I couldn't watch what happens live. New York one has a choke hold. Oh, I did watch a Knicks game. That's why I couldn't watch summer house

until this morning. They lost. And it's like the Knicks just need to lose, win one more game. Like just, just one. And last game, not last night, the one before last, their best player got injured with his Achilles. Like he's out for the season.

So it was sort of a layup. Like. But didn't a Celtics player get injured? Isn't a Celtics player out? That's what I said. Oh, you said that? I saw you meant the Knicks. No, but the Knicks were poised to win.

Oh, losers. They're coming off of the win. Losers. The best player from the other team. They don't know how to operate as not the underdog. But Ben is so excited because. They're coming back? They're coming off of the win. The best player from the other team. They don't know how to operate as not the underdog. But Ben is so excited because. They're coming back. They're coming back and I think I'm gonna go.

Like with him. I think you should go. I think it's kind of crazy to go like nine months pregnant. Well, you're a crazy woman. I know. And you love your man. I do. And you would do anything for him. I do and I want him to be happy. And he was like, okay, so how much should we spend?

He was being so crazy. What's the cap per ticket? Well, who are we asking, right? In this situation, he is you. Well, in most situations, he is me. I was like, I was like, I don't know. Like you have to show me, but I'm not spending a lot of money to get a crap seat.

As much as you don't wanna spend a lot of money, you won't sit in a shitty seat. No, and I was seeing all like a bunch of people I know like socially were at the game and they had like messy it's and I like they were like we paid like $4,000 First seats. I'm like, I'm not doing that. You're not you wouldn't go to 4,000 per ticket Are you fucking crazy? Would you go to 3,000? No, would you go to 2,000? Now I don't like talking about money because obviously this sounds crazy. There are people who can't pay their bills.

But yes, for Ben as a gift for like him being really one of the most amazing husbands anyone could be during the course of this pregnancy, like not a nary a complaint. Well I do have complaints. Except for the golf and like cooking food that you don't want. And the smells. But beyond that, yes, I can commit $5,000 total to this gift for Ben. But the thing is, we're gonna end up not going

because the $5,000 is not gonna get you, you see it's- That's not gonna get you what you want. Timothy was at the game last night, solo, sitting courtside. At the Celtics. At the Celtics game, yeah. Kylie didn't go to Boston.

TD Garden. I feel like Kylie went back to the beach. She's literally Kristin Cavallari back to the beach. I also think she went back to the beach. She's literally Chris and Cavallari back to the beach. I also think she went back to the beach. Or she's just like posting. Delayed. Delayed, which I think she also does, but I think she went to Turks and Caicos, like came to New York to be with Timothy for the night.

And flew right back. And went back to Turks and Caicos. With Kendall. With Kendall. I don't know. She's kind of all over the place. To be a jet setter. I know.

To have a jet to set on. I hope she comes back. We miss her. We do. New York felt electric. It wasn't the same. It's been raining ever since she left. New York is crying for Kylie. It's true. Maybe she'll come back for the next game. I think she had fun. Yeah. Okay. Well, you should go. Yeah, I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking it through. And even though I love watching games on TV, it's so fun. I love television. Yeah, if any brands,

I know that you guys have all been really shy about the hookups. If any brands once more, I will ask you to give Turtee a sweet. Yeah, fuck the Brunson boys. Maybe they didn't want to do it because like who are these nobodies? There's no buddies, yeah.

But for Turtee- Makes sense. The queen, the queen is coming. Okay, what else can I tell you? So last Jackson Claude before we go, like the show will never be this way again because Turdi, you will change. This is the last time we will podcast together as sisters,

remote or otherwise, where only one of us is a mother. Yeah. And how does that make you feel? You feel like I'm encouraging a little bit on your mama space? Not at all. I'm excited for you to be here because then we get to talk about those sorts of things

more, which I love, you know, but it's like I can only like sneak it in here and there when you're not interested. It's not like, it just doesn't work that way. So I'm excited to dive more into that space with you and to hear your takes on it. I think everybody is so excited to hear your takes on it. Yeah, I feel like I'm definitely thinking through a lot now, like what my digital footprint, my identity is going to look like as like a content creator, podcaster, comedian, influencer,

who's now a mom. Obviously, like you can take over your whole being. And I'm not really like wanting to do that. I think sometimes like you can't control it, right? And I feel like I've talked about like other people who I think do a good job of like balancing both. Like I don't want, I don't want to be like, like everybody's like, oh, she doesn't talk about

like being a mom, but I also don't want to be the one the person is like, why don't you ever talk about being a mom, you know? It's like a balance. Obviously women are so critical of other women. So I'm looking forward to everybody critiquing me for like how I embrace this new era of my life. I don't have a chip on my shoulder about it or anything,

but we'll see, we'll see how it goes. I think you should just let nature take its course. Don't overthink it. I think it will come really natural to you, whatever the path is. Yeah. You know what I mean? I don't think you have to make a plan.

I think- Should I pack a snack? Well, always. Always, that's kind of the cornerstone of motherhood. Yeah, and you're probably gonna be hungry, but I think it will be a natural next step for you. I do. And you shouldn't you shouldn't worry. So no, no, no.

I feel like also at this stage of pregnancy, like you're so bored, like all you do is worry about things that are like are not real issues. Yeah. Like I'm so I was so worried about my junk drawer. I don't know if you saw that kind of like reorganize my junk drawer, which was a big moment in my house. And the way that like that junk drawer weighed on me for like a week, you know, you just like, you have nothing to do, but just like worry about stuff.

I understand. And when you're pregnant without other kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Obviously when you're pregnant like with a toddler, like you're being a toddler. No, I know, I like brought out my keyboard from the cellar and started to practicing piano in my last few weeks. You did?

Yeah, it was so bored. I wasn't leaving the house also because of COVID. And- That's funny, when you said keyboard, I thought like a Dell computer keyboard. No, I brought my piano keyboard. I had got it for Zach for his birthday years, like when we started dating.

And I was watching so much TV in my pregnancy and like, I couldn't watch anymore. Like I was sick of everything, sick of laying there. I was like, I want to use my brain now. So I brought up the keyboard. I'm dying. I learned Arabesque. Okay.

Yeah, I got some coloring books. That was good. That was when I wrote the first draft of Can Burn Counselor. That's a beautiful full circle story, Jax. Right? Yeah. It's available on Amazon now. I wrote the first draft when I was in my final weeks

of pregnancy. Maybe a children's book is waiting to pour out of you this week. I already have one. It goes like this. There once was a girl named Turdy. I thought you were gonna say- She was really flirty.

I thought you were gonna say, it's the first day of camp, my bags are tightly packed. I would have, except I could not remember how the book started, thank you. It's the first day of camp, my bags are tightly packed. My duffel trunk and pillow are all neatly stacked. We bump and we bend up curves, bends and hills. The winding camp roads gives me goosebumps and chills.

No, the fact that people continue to write children's books when the best one ever has already been written, like seriously, lay down your pencils. It's so true. It's not necessary, we've got this. It's so true. And if there are any toasters out there who don't know that Claudia and her sisters were sisters, um, and Daisy Jones in the six ends with her, um, after everyone's died, getting back together with him. And I wrote a children's book. And it's

loosely based off of our own life. The main character is inspired by one of- It's kind of a, it's a biography. It's autobiographical. Semi, it's semi autobiographical of our own life. The main character is inspired by one of- It's a biography. It's autobiographical, it's semi-autobiographical. And the main character is based loosely off of one of Jackie's sisters, who is not me, which is low key one of the most disgusting parts, but we'll just like skip right over because I know that the sequel-

Is about a camper named Trudy. Yeah, it's such a cute name for a little, and the camper's obviously chubby camper named Trudy. Yeah, it's such a cute name for a little like, and the campers obviously like chubby, like Trudy. She's just like coming in and she's coming in second summer. And so it's a dynamic, right? But how will things shake out? Our camper is always there.

Right. To be a supportive friend. And the camper and the counselor in the book, the counselor's name is counselor Snitch. What is the camper's name? It's a great mystery. Oh, she's nameless. She's nameless in the book, but counselor's name is Counselor Snitch. What is the camper's name? It's a great mystery. Oh, she's nameless. She's nameless in the book, but I know her name.

Because she, well, I like that she's nameless because she kind of represents all women. She's all of us. Yeah, but you know her name. Are you gonna share it? Maybe in a future book. Oh, secrets revealed. But I think you guys could guess her name.

Jackie? Is it Jackie? She has red hair. It's Jax. Yeah, okay. It's Jax and Trudy. Jax and Trudy. Trudy and Jax.

Ba da da da. They're a great duo in the kids' space. Correct. Kind of picking up where Max and Ruby left off. That's like a little bit of the plot of the sequel. I don't want to give too much away. It has not been written yet. Maybe towards the end of this pregnancy, inspiration will strike.

The rest is still unwritten. That's beautiful. I take him so fucking over that song. No, she can do no wrong, Natasha. I didn't say I was over Natasha, I said I was over the song. The song can never be bad. The second wave of younger people finding it

and older people reliving, like I've hated every minute of it and I want the song to be done. Every time I hear it in an organic way like if it came on my shuffle or something thrilled to hear it. For me maybe it's like a constant reminder that not us but society excluding us let Natasha Bettingfield down and they like forced her to just keep performing this same old song as if she doesn't have other music that is so unbelievable. They told me girl to get your way.

You gotta be a bitch. They say the guy won't get the girl if he's not filthy rich. You stop with little changes till you don't know who you are. Surround yourself with friends who only call you a superstar. Like those bitches will never know.

What's that album called? Recovery. We will recover. Like when I hear unwritten, I think of just the lost potential. I wanna circle back to something that you said in your diatribe, which was that it was not us. No.

It was not us. We are responsible for almost all the strings. He supported everything All the stress you guys didn't know. Okay You guys didn't I we are excluded from that narrative, but you know else is excluded from that narrative. I Wonder if you're gonna know what I say like supporting Natasha supporting the Natasha bedding fields other work outside of unwritten. Um You're not gonna know it's like it's like a niche me reference. I am, I am. Yeah, it's a person whose name we don't know.

What do you mean? My favorite movie of all time. Like, do you know what I'm gonna say? Not The Other Woman. No, close though, something borrowed. And they use this song. They end the film, like finally she steals her, spoiler alert, she steals her best friend's man,

she's picking up his dry cleaning, like her and the friend are never gonna be okay, but she got the guy, and she don't give a fuck, friend's man. She's picking up his dry cleaning. Like she, her and the friend are never gonna be okay, but she got the guy and she don't give a fuck, you know? And she's picking up his dry cleaning. It's like a perfect day in New York and they're walking away and it's like, I have to keep reminding myself, I'm not like anyone else.

So the person who scored something borrowed, Jax and Claude, are not responsible for holding Natasha Benningfield back from reaching her fullest potential. Now she's out here just like making TikToks to the same song and it's like- Ashamed of yourselves. You should be ashamed.

Also, like if you want to knock on her songs that are overplayed, like I would go more Pocket Full of Sunshine. I would not, I think Unwritten is par-jelicious. No matter how many times I hear it, Pocket Full of Sunshine is more annoying. Agree to disagree. You like Pocket Full of sunshine more than unwritten.

It doesn't attack me. I actually didn't, when you were saying her other songs, I'm like, what song is she talking about? I literally forgot about pocketful of sunshine. You're thinking of it from the movie, Weezy Ye. No, no, no, actually, no, I just feel like when I see that on Tic, or on Reels, scroll, scroll. I never see it.

If I, and also someone did like a couple remixes of unwritten. Yeah, no, they've been there. If I, and also someone did like a couple remixes of Unwritten. Yeah, no, they've been there. With Unreals. They're resuscitating Unwritten. I'm here for it. I'm over it. And that's the kind of duality and complexity

you can come to expect from the Toast podcast. But maybe when you're changed, the next time we podcast together on the Toast, we'll agree on that. Maybe. Maybe. Cause you're gonna be so changed. She's changed for the better Never

Today's a toast tunes kind of day I mean we have to get it all out now even though we are recording a patreon after this so it's technically not our last Episode together. Oh and next week there's patreon episodes every day So if you're missing our girls head over to patreon.com Slash the toast because we've been working overtime to keep you fed. Yeah. And keep you satiated. Yeah, so it's Jackson Claude every episode.

So like, if you're a Patreon member for the next two, three months, like you're completely fine. You're completely fine. Like every time you're missing us, there will be a Patreon for you. And we've been like putting in work overtime to make sure that the scheduled content gets released. So that's patreon.com slash a toast.

But this is our last pre fast five banter where we're so different from one another. And we are the people that we are because I'm also going to expand my role as an auntie. And I don't know how that's gonna change me. Oh, let me lock my iPad. I'm so glad you brought that up. I haven't been a new auntie in two and a half years.

Well, I did wanna talk about that because obviously everyone knows like when you look up anti in the Webster's dictionary, like my face is there. I've been like one of the most committed, devoted and really hard-working antis this world has ever seen. And I just want to say before I had kids, I was the number one anti. And so that era of my life, I don't know if you've talked to your kids about it, like is going to change. Anti-coachers is not going to be the coaches that you that you know. Right, which is why I've been like making plans. Like I took the kids swimming.

Like I just want them to know, like Auntie's leaving and she's coming back, but not in the way that they've grown accustomed to. And do you think that will be a difficult adjustment for all my niblings? Well, here's the beautiful thing about the circle of life because while they are losing a bit of their auntie, they are gaining a cousin.

Yeah. And like, it's like, I don't think Michaela even noticed that I was slipping, that I was slipping because I gave her a cousin. Gave her a friend, yeah. And that was even better than what I was doing. So I think they're going to be so excited about the new edition that they're not even gonna notice

that Coge's hasn't slept. Coge's is tired. I think Coge's like presence is so almighty. Like, yes, I'm giving them a cousin, sure. But like, I don't know. I think that they'll, like, if you notice any like behavioral issues, like, or any differences in their moods or scheduling.

I would say there's a major change happening in their life. Auntie Kodjers is kind of taking a step back. Well, I would say for Charlie, it's going to be the biggest change for him because he won't be the baby anymore. But he had the longest run as the baby. Yeah, chasing after those kids. So I'm excited for him that he's not the youngest anymore, but I think he loves being the baby.

Well, it's interesting how people act when they're on bottom and then they're on top. Do you think Charlie will be a benevolent leader? I think so. Me too. I think so. He's seen a lot in his time. You don't think he'll be like a Sheena Marie Shea,

finally gets accepted to the cool crew and turns on the ones that brought him there? No, Charlie has seen a lot. He's seen a lot of different ways of it being done, and I think he knows what he wants to model, and I think that's good boy behavior. Got it, so not Charlie Shea. No, he'll be modeling good boy behavior.

Trust me. GBB. If not, come tell his mama. Oh, you know I will. No, but they're gonna be so excited. No, it's so exciting. Just, you know, I'm being annoyingly like, this is my last, you know? I feel like if we don't, it is my last, you know? Like.

I feel like if we don't, it's weird. No, no, not even with the podcast, like at home too. I'm like, Ben, like this our like last whatever. I'm like, I'm being so dramatic. Even though like I low key still have time left. Like I need to chill. You might have another taco Tuesday. Most likely, even though taco Tuesdays

really do give me really bad acid reflux. So I actually can't, but I'm just being so dramatic. I'm like, you think this is our last time in the car? Like, no, we'll be driving to the hospital. Like, I'm really being so like commemorative. I feel like if we aren't commemorative on this episode, like it will be weird and it will pass us by and we'll be like, oh, my God, that was kind of like a major one. And everyone else is going to be like, oh, my God, that's Jackson Claude.

And like, I feel like we really need to be present in this moment, even though that's so not like us. Sounds like you're saying we need to acknowledge the space that we're in. We do need to acknowledge the space that we're in. Consider it acknowledged. And do a little manifestation. Of?

The manifest. Okay. Do you know what I mean? I have a really hard time being. Present. Present. I don't think manifest is the right word. No, no, it's not. But I do think manifesting more would help me be more present.

Oh, perhaps if you started, that was like a practice in your everyday life. Cause it's like, I'm saying all these things about how it's the last one, but like- Are you living that? No, she's not. It's just any other day. She's so inauthentic.

No, I'm trying, like I feel like if you speak it, you will be it. Okay. So it's better than not commemorating anything. Do you feel like it's less fun? I can tell you recently hung out with Lauren Bostic. Oh my God. Well, thanks for spoiling my guest. Oh.

It's fine. Wait. Yeah. Is she your guest for when? Who knows? Okay. Sorry, my bad. But that's not who we were talking about at the beginning, my bad. But that's not who we were talking about

at the beginning of the show. That's actually not who we were talking about at the beginning of the show. Yes, I've been hanging out with Lauren Bostic. Okay, once. Once. Yeah, but we text too. Okay.

And we're both not big texters. So it's like- It's all the radiation. The fact that we like do it for each other. Right, right, you take that risk. We really can't. That's really sweet. We take that risk. That's really sweet. We take that risk. That's huge. Huge.

But yeah, I'm trying to be present. Like I don't know what more to tell you. And I feel like you're not present, but you're not trying to be more. So it's not an issue. Right. If I knew what on earth we were talking about, like I would be able to respond to that at heinous accusation of me not being present. I don't know.

I just feel like it's like when like we should be so much more like aware that it's the last step. Like, I don't know. I don't know. I just feel like it's like when like we should be so much more like aware that it's the last step. Like, I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don to that at heinous accusation of me not being present. I don't know. I just feel like it's like when, like we should be so much more like aware that it's the last, right?

But I don't feel it in my bones. I'm just like, I know it in my head. Like I seriously, I can't follow this conversation. Because you're not present. Correct. Okay, fine. You got me. I'm not present.

Does it feel like the last you like, do you really feel it? It's not my last. I have to work tomorrow. The last one's me. Is it last with you? No, because there's something about podcasting in person, especially in this new studio. Like, this isn't real. And I know these episodes have actually

been performing so well. Like, numbers-wise, people love when we're together. I feel like every day three people are listening. I'm like, I don't even, like, these episodes feel fake. Every time we put out our regular episode, it's like, oh my God, everyone's gonna listen and critique. And it's like very high stakes these feel like we're cosplaying podcasters I don't know why in our room like like giggling yeah

making videos on Facebook in the box to go to legacy box one day I agree so that's why I'm just like maybe that's why I'm not feeling present well your presence is a gift true always. Always. Eternally. One that we will miss. Oh, yeah. She's kicking me out already. Because if we're being present in this moment, it is our last episode together. Can I say something that I find really exciting about maternity leave?

Obviously, I'm going to miss everyone so much, but as the nosiest bitch alive, what I loved about your maternity leaves is that I invited all these people to come co-host and they are people with successful YouTube channels, successful podcasts, successful businesses, and everybody online makes themselves seem so. Big deal. Big deal, I'm so famous, I have so many fans, followers. And it's interesting to see who comes on the podcast and increases numbers, you know?

Who actually has fans, not just followers. And so I was nosy and literally one of my favorite activities was tallying up the numbers at the end of the week. And I feel like I said before who crushed it, but like honestly, Shannon, Shannon brings peeps. And then you would have someone who was like a huge podcast and you're like, oh, that's a huge.

I guess everyone's on vacation. Right. So that's like a fun, like if you're a nosy curious person like me. Well, that will be there for you to run the data on the various media moguls. Yeah, no, when I have like a fun, like if you're a nosy, curious person like me. Well, that will be there for you to run the data on the various media moguls. Yeah, no, when I have like a nap break, I'll be running the data.

Yeah. You can find me in our analytics department. It's really not that hard, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. Now without further ado, are you ready to wrap up the final fast five

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As a support system. Prince Harry and Meghan secret mansion summit with Brooklyn and Nicola to share trauma of toxic family feuds. Okay, this does sound like a made up British tabloid story, but let's pretend. It's in the sun, so it could be that. Correct British tabloid story, but let's pretend it's in the sun. So could correct, okay, but apparently Prince Harry and Meghan are secretly supporting Brooklyn and Nicola at amid their family row and had them over for dinner last week

The foursome dined at the Sussex's in Montecito just days after Brooklyn skipped his dad's 50th birthday Okay a source familiar with the events at Harry and Meghan were very empathetic and very kind to them both. Harry was fully aware of the situation and offered Brooklyn his unwavering support as someone who has been through similar. Okay, so the headline was a little misleading. Sounded like they took a trip to a castle and so they had dinner together.

And you know what? I actually think that's entirely possible. Especially because I could see, because we know David is a huge monarchist. He literally was one of those people who waited in line for seven hours to touch the queen's casket. I guess they like leave the casket out in some palace.

As a rando, not even as a football star. He didn't use his special treatment and he cried and he was like taking pictures of people. So he obviously is like team royal. And so I could see as like an extra knife to like his family, him and Nicola having dinner with like Harry and Meghan who are like these, you know, royal outsiders, 1,000%. I just want to say, if this is true

and we have to like operate as if it is for the sake of conversation, this is the worst idea I've ever heard for Brooklyn and Nicola. Like to go to like be on the outs with your family and then go seek advice from people who actually like burned theirs to the ground. Like do not be like these people.

But no, maybe that's what they, like maybe they're looking to go no contact. No, no, no. Which a lot of people do with- Brooklyn, stop it, turn around. Which is what a lot of people do with like in-laws they deem to be toxic. No, no, people-

And Harry and Meghan have sort of paved the way. I'm sorry, plenty of people have in-laws they deem to be toxic and they don't take it to the level that Harry and Meghan did. No, no, of course not. But it is like a popular thing now. It's like more like TikTok. I know you don't know, but it's like,

if something in your life, like a person in your life doesn't serve you, like we're going no contact, right? That's fine. I'm fine with no contact. What Harry and Meghan did was not no contact. It was a lot of contact. It was a lot of a lot.

I thought the story you were gonna talk about is that they went to another concert. Well, but it was gonna be my next part, like B, because them going to another concert, like isn't headline news, except that he was wearing a hat and we'll get to it. But I just need to say to Brooklyn and Nicola, like you're hanging out with the wrong people.

Like you should either be just taking a break from your family, that's fine. They're toxic and narcissistic allegedly. So yeah, you want to break, but like to go seek advice from these two, this is what, they are what not to do. They are how not to break from your family. I'm in agreement.

There is a way to, like, obviously I'm always on the side of like, we have to make things work, family is family. Sometimes you get to a point where like, you can't with a certain family member. And so Harry and Meghan obviously got to that point. And I think the way they did it was not the best. And so if Brooklyn and Nicola are looking to go no contact with the Beckhams, which would make me so upset,

like that's not what I want. I don't know if like they're being, you know, led by the greatest of leaders. They can go no contact. I would endorse that because it's not working. And they really tried. For the last year, they supported everything. I can say they really gave it their all.

And if you want to take a break from them and not speak to them, that's fine with me. Don't do what those two did and do not take advice from them. Or it's just like fancy British people having dinner. Why would Nicola, she's like so gorgeous, so young. You know, I don't want these two. So why does she wanna go eat dinner

with some 40 year olds and their kids? Yeah, they are like in complete different life stages, different ages. I don't know how these four would get together. I can understand why Brooklyn might be interested in having dinner with Harry. Like he's the prince of the country. And they're a bunch of expats.

Yeah, but I'm sorry, Nicola, like what is she doing there? Correct. I'm sorry, I think this is really a horrible idea and I hope it's false, but I also, if it is false, I just wanna give credit to the person who made it up. It's funny. Cause it's fucking hysterical. Creative. Well, they did also go to a concert.

They saw James Taylor, which is like seriously Ben's favorite artist. I've seen fire and I've seen rain. What a versatile taste in music they have. Like I wonder if, like we know Megan loves Beyonce. Maybe Harry loves James Taylor. Like, cause like, I don't know anybody who's like a big James Taylor and Beyonce fan.

They're entirely different generations and genres. No, I feel like that's the bridge that they like straddle in their age bracket. I don't know why I'm making them seem so old today. No, but they are like, adults. In their 40s, yeah. You have like 40s taste. And some of it is like the young, cool stuff.

And also like Megan is a friend of Beyonce's. Yes, I think Megan loves being famous. And that's a part of her like I actually really relate to. In the same way how she had to tell everyone in her caption, like, thanks Beyonce and team for having us like she wants everyone to like bitch I'm famous I'm connected I can get seats at whatever you know events you can't get seats at so I actually really relate to her in that way um I think James Taylor tickets are particularly hard to come by or backstage passes I'm sure he

was thrilled to meet them but obviously the headline here is the fact that Harry's at another concert wearing another hat. And not only is it like obviously pointing to some sort of hair situation, he also has bad taste in hats. This one's like a real emo beanie that I feel like the men on the hills used to wear, you know? Well, I don't like his outfit either. Like if we're just criticizing his style. I don't like him if we're just criticizing his persona. It's not as if the hat ruins an otherwise fab outfit.

So I think altogether it works cause it's a bunch of weird stuff put together. I mean, the thing is with hair plugs, when your situation was so dire for so many years, like we're gonna know. So you don't even like, I know that when you get hair plugs or I don't know what the right word is these days, a transplant.

For the first couple of weeks, you have like sprouts on your forehead. It's like buzz. Well, yes, but you also have like, it's a little bloody and it's like, it's so obvious. So you do have to cover it up if you leave the house. So it could be that he's in the covering up stage. I don't know why they insist on doing public events.

Why leave the house? Because they never leave the house. And why post the pictures? They never post pictures. Yeah, but also like if he were to come out and have a full head of hair in six months, like that would be like me coming out with red hair. Like it's obviously a change.

So. Well, maybe he'll come out and he'll be open about his struggles. That's kind of his MO. I think that would be like one of the best things he could possibly do for himself and his brand. Would you give him a chance? Yes.

If he said like, I've been struggling with hair loss. And maybe even started like a hair loss platform, like how he's very big in the mental health space. Wait, like a Rogaine or you mean like a better help? Like a, yeah, like a telehealth for hair health. Oh, he's totally an investor in like HIMS. Cause you know that company, like you can get like Rogaine or Monoxidil. Telehealth for hair health. Oh, he's totally an investor in like hims. Cause you know that company, like you can get like Rogaine or Monoxidil.

Telehealth for hair health. That's actually- I think it's actually a good idea. He would be a great spokesperson because obviously he walks the walk and the mental health space is so crowded at this point. And I think his company failed. Wait, did you see,

wait, you just reminded me. It's kind of how like, oh, we talked about it on the show, how Amy Schumer is an investor in that telehealth company that helps women with like weight loss drugs. And she was like, I had the best experience. I invested in this company and yeah, I'm on Manjaro, obsessed and it's like an endorsement

for the telehealth company. That's definitely a possibility. And that would actually be a good business move for Harry. So here's the, I don't think it's what's happening. I don't think it's a possibility, but I think it's what should happen. And maybe even if he went to Turkey and he had no plans of being open about it,

maybe this will reach him and just let him know, like I think there's money here. And I like how saying like going to Turkey is obviously, it's now code for like getting hair transplants. And I think if you have unlimited resources, you don't need to go to Turkey. Like Turkey is just for like regular folk who want access to like really top tier medical care

at a much more affordable price. But like there are amazing people in the States. They're just incredibly pricey. I think. I've not heard of them. But I don't think Harry would need to go. To Turkey. Like I know a couple of people who've gotten hair plugs,

like wealthy men and they did in America. That you know that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, who? Hit me with the. Okay. Who? No.

I'll just text it to you. Okay, just to make the point. And not to be annoying, like it is juicy. Is it a famous person? A little bit. Okay. Oh, that's juicy. And then this one.

Juicy, juicy. And they were all done in America. Wow, stateside plug. Okay, so he didn't have to go to Turkey. That's also good. That's what I'm saying. You don't actually have to travel, unless you're just looking for a deal

A good hair plug at a good price, right? Because what you get for the price in Turkey You would like seriously like have to go to mexico for here and like get risk infection You know like one of those turn. Yeah, they do a nice job there and the medical care is like so luxurious they like the cost of your Procedure includes your flights includes like luxury recovery suites, hotels for your family. Like it's really, I watched Darcy and Stacey,

I know you don't know who that is, it's a TLC show. And they went to Turkey to get like completely new faces and they took us on the journey. So I know a lot about Turkey. Got it. I saw a girl once go to Turkey for medical care for like a full work up. No, she just like wanted to run all those expensive tests on herself.

Oh, a medical work up. Yeah. Yeah, a medical work up. Also, they're I think known for their teeth as well. Are you ready for our next story? Rihanna will release her first song in three years for the Smurfs soundtrack. So Rihanna shared the news along with a trailer for the film on Wednesday, which also features snippets of the song, but her new song is called Friend of Mine.

It will drop tomorrow as part of the soundtrack for the Smurfs movie, which is starring John Goodman, James Corden, Nick Oferman, and Sandra Oh. I think a lot of people weren't expecting this. Finally getting music from Rihanna. And I just need this all before we panicked to remember some of the best songs ever made have come from the Troll soundtrack. I got that sunshine in my pocket,

got that good song in my feet. We hate Justin Timberlake, but we love that song. Also, it's broken and it's beautiful by Kelly Clarkson. Well, that's, and that's just Trolls. Every animated movie worth its salt these days has an original song that's fucking poppin', Oscar worthy. I think I'm not worried for one second. The fact that actually this is for the Smurfs,

I think I might like it more than if she was just like dropping a rogue single. Yeah. It's called Friend of Mine. I think the vibes are gonna be good. The message is gonna be good. And that's like the cool thing about being a billionaire, like not from music, like from her own business is like,

with the music she can do, make choices that feel right to her. Obviously she's in like her mom era. Yeah. So her kids are gonna wanna watch this and that's mom's song. Yeah. How cute. Yeah, and it's like, maybe they weren't listening to her

but they only listened to the Smurfs. And so she's gonna get inside the TV and be like, clean your room. It's literally Josie and the Pussycats, the little messaging in the music. It is. I love celebrities who become parents and then give back to the community with party content like Fallout Boy doing the Spidey soundtrack. Like it's just really fun for everyone. It's really crazy because it's like 10 years in the making waiting for a Rihanna song. I have no doubt that it's gonna be good one because it's Rihanna and two like something

about the troll soundtrack in particular. Like- Why do you keep saying Trolls? Is it not Trolls? No, it's Smurfs. Well, that's why I keep saying Trolls. Okay, I thought you just said it once to like, just say that Trolls has good music.

Oh, I'm so sorry. Okay, okay. I obviously got my caricatures confused. Your six letter movie name. I thought she was releasing on the Troll soundtrack. I'm like, well, the track record of Troll songs going number one, the proof is there. Got it, okay, I know less about the Smurfs discography.

I apologize. It's okay. Well, now we're gonna know more. Yeah. So I'm excited. We'll hear it tomorrow. Maybe you and Ben could do a little live lesson.

Interpretive dance to Friend of Mine by Rihanna. You got it. Clap them cheeks. From the forthcoming Smurfs soundtrack. Are you ready for our next story? Speaking of music, word on the street, Justin Bieber owes his former manager, Scooter Braun, millions of dollars for a tour loan.

So this is very interesting because Justin still owes his former manager Sco scooter millions of dollars despite parting ways with him nearly two years ago. An independent audit conducted by Price Waterhouse Coopers. And why, like who put them up to this? No, I thought it was TMZ based on the way that I read it. But no, I think TMZ just- But once Price Waterhouse Coopers involved?

Yes. Someone at like the government, like who's auditing? Well, so here's like the story. So this accounting firm, PWC. That's what- You guys know them from the Oscars. They do all like the tallying. Yeah.

After Ernst and Young got fired after Moonlight Gate. Right. So over a period of six months found that Justin O's scooter more than $8 million per documents obtained by TMZ yesterday. The audit was reportedly completed in April. Source tells Page Six, the money owed stems from a loan that Scooter made to Justin over debt accrued during his canceled tour in 2022, his Justice Tour.

You guys remember he started that tour. Justin canceled the Justice Tour in the middle of the tour, but he had gotten an advance from the tour production company. Live Nation or whatever. Yeah, whichever one it was, and he had to pay it back, and he couldn't pay it back and Scooter lent him the money in a tough time.

And they say he couldn't pay it back because he is, while yes, incredibly successful, especially for a musician, I think at one point his net worth was like somewhere around $300 million. He was spending and he also had a bad business manager. Like he, it is believed that he completely tore through his $300 million.

Yeah, he sold his music catalog for $200 million in 2022. So we talked about that and we were like, that's kind of weird. It's a little early to sell your music. And now it seems like in the timeline of events that's being painted is that he was pretty much broke. Yeah, TMZ reported last October

that Justin was considering suing his financial managers for allegedly squandering 300 million dollars of his fortune. An insider told Page Six exclusively at the time though that his spending habits were to blame because they were out of control. He spends an eye-watering amount per month. At one point he couldn't even get a credit card they said. Justin is surrounded by a lot of people that do not have his best interests at heart. Yeah I believe that especially when you think about like how young he was with so much money and how many like people around him, just wanting a piece of that. And then the Scooter Braun of it all makes sense

because his sort of breakup with Justin Bieber was the biggest deal ever. Scooter Braun did go on to sell his company to a Japanese company for almost a billion dollars. So I feel like the eight million, he could live without. Maybe we just call a spade a spade. It's like if you went your friend $800 and they were going through a hard time.

And then like you end up winning the lottery or something, just like leave it alone. Yeah, I don't know if Scooter is trying to get the money back, but I think Justin has like been saying and even trying to prove that like his teams and people around him stole from him. And it's like, actually no, Scooter gave you money. Well, actually it could have been both

cause it sounds like he did have like poor business managers and. Well, yeah, but to protect him from himself. Well, that's the other thing I worry about because you know, they say road is valued at almost a billion dollars. Now, when I did see on TikTok, so like take this with a grain of salt that they're shopping it around to like hopefully get bought.

It's incredibly successful. And so while I love that for her, I do hope she, you know, protects what's hers. I'm sure that she will. I'm sure she's the only one who has control of the credit cards. Good. And maybe he could do what he wants with his money,

but certainly not with hers, especially now that she's a mom, like I don't think she would play. She knows what she's doing. Yeah. TMZ's report on Wednesday also claimed that his business manager, Lou Taylor, found the 20 million figure to be an acronym

claimed that actually Scooter had been overpaid in commissions by $26 million. his business manager, Lou Taylor, found the 20 million figure to be an acronym claim that actually Scooter had been overpaid in commissions by $26 million. So Lou Taylor is somehow involved. If you guys remember her name, she was a kind of a bad faith actor in the whole Britney Spears conservatorship situation. Then Scooter's company, Hybe, conducted its own audit

and found he was actually owed a million dollars but reportedly waived that amount. Okay. So per TMZ, Justin reportedly felt that Scooter's audit was done corruptly, which led to Hybe hiring PwC for the audit, which resulted in the Grammy winner actually owing $8 million.

Oh, okay. Well, you know what? I'm then inclined to believe PricewaterhouseCoopers because they were hired by Scooter and their results don't help Scooter. No, the result, he was trying to show, hey. Oh, then he owes eight million. Yeah, no, he was trying to show,

no, actually you owe me a million dollars, I didn't steal from you. And then they come in and actually you're owed eight million. Got it, got it. Yeah, well, if anybody wants to loan me eight million dollars, I am available, so. Will you pay it back? No. No, no, no.

Just, it's. No. It's, no, but that's what you're about. No. That's what you're loan more so as a gift. A gift. I agree. Which it has been a gift in Scooter's case. I do think like Justin has really squandered his own-

Fortune. Fortune. I agree. I'm sure people around him are enabling him. I'm sure they're spending his money, but he is there as well. And like they take advantage of him and he doesn't help himself. Personal accountability is important. I agree. Right. As long as like Haley and Jack are, you know, covered.

Are, yeah. Jack's college fund is intact. Yeah. Well, that's road. Correct. But it's crazy when we talk about Justin being like this just like totally down on his luck, broke individual. We've seen videos, I wanna say an alleged drug addict. Right. But that's like Haley's husband. I know. It feels like two different people.

Yeah, and it's funny how we keep telling like, Haley's a mother, like we keep saying that, and I'm like, I forget Justin's a father too, you know? Yeah, but the videos of him in the last few weeks are really bad. Yeah, but they seem fine. Claudia. No, but she keeps, like she's posted him too.

She seems fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know, I don't know. I don't know, but I think that we cannot begin to understand. I agree. That world. No, you know, I found something really interesting totally separately, because a lot of people think

that like Justin Bieber is somehow involved in the Diddy case, and that's not what I'm saying, but it just reminded me of Diddy because I've ended up on Diddy Talk. And I'm glad because it needs to be widely distributed. But do you know that Cassie long after they had broken up filed a civil suit against him and they settled out of court.

She got $30 million from him. And a part of that is obviously signing an NDA, she wasn't allowed to ever speak. But because this is a federal indictment, like signing an NDA she wasn't allowed to ever speak but because this is a federal indictment like civil suit NDAs don't apply so she not only got her 30 million dollars but she also got to speak her truth. Love that. Love that for her. You love to see women in business. When people say Justin's a part of the Diddy case like not the case necessarily like he just isn't like people think he might have been one of his victims. Right just given the timing Justin's age at the time, people he was hanging out with.

There's, I'm sure like there's conspiracy theories with more proof, but that's pretty much. But when we say other people would be part of the Diddy case, it would be like they were accessories. Attending the freak offs. Yeah. No, I meant Justin as a victim. And that's why he's currently having this like public Britney moment because it's a deeply hurtful part of his past. There's no proof of that, but it's just a connection people are making.

I don't think that it's so far fetched. Me neither. But it's important to remember that he would be like a very tragic victim of what happened. Correct. So that's really sad. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story?

Is it about Justin Melody, Blake Lively and Taylor Swift? No, but it could be because I'm honestly don't want to talk about what I had chosen. I was just like honestly overwhelmed when I saw. I know the Blake Lively thing yesterday. And then like Salma Hayek was at dinner with Blake last night. Did you not see that?

Even though you're on Sal talk. Even though I'm on Sal Talk? You're on Sal Talk. Oh, I did not hear that. Okay, can you explain? I can. Thank you. So some documents were published by Justin Maldoni's lawyers yesterday

and obviously people read them and they were referencing Taylor Swift. So immediately people, you know, did their thing. And essentially he submitted documents and is alleging that Blake Lively, when the scandal started blowing up, not only extorted Taylor Swift, but threatened and blackmailed her.

Basically the lawyers alleging that they have a really legitimate source that said Blake Lively asked, threatened, asked Taylor to speak out on her behalf while everyone was coming for Taylor, excuse me for Blake, and if she didn't then threatened to like release personal text messages from the last 10 years of their, you know, personal friendship. That's what's being alleged. And it's apparently that's like really legitimate source who knows this stuff.

So then their text messages could be subpoenaed. Right, and so Taylor then was subpoenaed earlier this week. Her team released a statement being like, she didn't work on the movie, she didn't work on the score. Yeah, they licensed her song, My Tears Worker's Shame for the trailer, but she was busy being on one of the biggest world tours. This has nothing to do with me,

please excuse me from this narrative. So it's gotten really messy with Taylor, and I think anytime, I think it's a strategic thing because anytime Taylor gets brought up, the lawsuit gets brought up again in a major way. On the show. On the show in a major way. And it's really always in favor of Justin Baltoni

because even though at first I really didn't believe any of the things they were saying about Taylor and Blake, like these two have not been spotted together in a really long time. So I don't know what's true. And at first I was like, there's literally no way. There's no way. But if Blake did like even remotely threaten Taylor,

like Taylor's out. Oh, I was gonna say, where are you then? Where am I? Oh, I don't know. That's such crazy behavior for Blake. How does Turdy feel? How does this affect Turdy? Is anybody asking these questions?

I don't know, I don't know. Cause this whole time I've really felt like so much of the Taylor rhetoric is like blown up. Like, what the fuck does this have to do with Taylor Swift? And I'm sorry, I just never took Taylor as like one of those friends. They have painted it up until this point that Taylor like is staying away from Blake

because she doesn't want like the stain of a, you know, a scandal on her record. And I'm like, that's really lame. Like your friend is your friend. And I didn't believe Taylor to be that type of person. But now it seems like she's just mad at Blake for doing something to her. Like that's different than like, you know,

is a, what's the word I'm looking for? And distancing. Distancing yourself from a friend who's like having a public scandal. You can be mad at someone. Yeah, no, I'm like, if you're distancing your friend from having a public scandal, like you've had a public scandal,

so that's really lame of you, Taylor. I never thought that that was the truth. But now it seems like she has a legitimate gripe. And I'm like, well, if that's the case, but this is all coming from Justin Baldoni. Like, what do we know? The thing is, we will know if these two are never spotted together ever again,

like something happened. But Blake has been taking time off from like public events. Taylor hasn't been seen in a couple of months. I'm sorry, no, Blake's been everywhere. Sorry, I guess that's true. Blake's everywhere. She was with Salma dinner last night, she was at the time gallery. Only recently. She stood up and talked. Only recently, Blake's been everywhere. Sorry, I guess that's true. Blake's everywhere. She was with Salma dinner last night. She was at the time gallery.

Only recently. She stood up and talked. Only recently, I feel like her. She's doing simple favor press. Her and Taylor's like blackout dates didn't overlap. Like Taylor was being really public and Blake was not. And then Taylor went, you know, on vacation. I don't know where she's been for the last couple

of weeks slash months. And Blake did time 100. Now, like, I feel like they- Fine. So if there's a time like Super Bowl or whatever like things that they would be doing together that they're not doing then I will say something happened okay but if Blake threatened Taylor which I think would be like the serious of the stupidest thing she could do yeah like that's your dragon you want

to piss off your dragon they'll burn you my dragon your dragon. You wanna piss off your dragon, they'll burn you. My dragon. Your dragon. So like say Blake burned Taylor. Where do you stand? Well, obviously I stand with Taylor cause that's so lame. Like anyone threatening your personal text messages like as a public figure,

like your privacy is the only thing you have. As a friend? But as a friend who like, we know like what does Taylor value most? Really her privacy and like the does Taylor value most really her privacy and like the people she keeps close to her and Blake has withstood every friend from the last 10 years the girl squad everyone has come and go but Blake has been tried and true and they're so close like with the kids and the music if that's devastating.

Do you think it was Ryan from Blake's Phone? No that's funny. You don't? Don't you want to blame the man? 1000% You don't have to deal? from Blake's phone? No, that's funny. You don't? Do you want to blame the man? A thousand percent. Then you don't have to deal with these conflicting feelings?

No, no, my feelings are as such. If Blake did this, she's so wrong for that. And like I'm team Taylor, 100% Taylor, should never be your friend again. But does now being team Taylor mean being team Baldoni? I don't think it does. I'm holding the place for- The enemy of your enemy is not your friend? I don't think in does. I'm holding the place for- The enemy of your enemy is not your friend.

I don't think in this case, no. But again, these are all documents, allegations being made from Justin Baldoine. Yeah, and for their part, Blake's attorney spoke out to deny the claim that Justin's attorney made about the actress's friendship with Taylor. The thing is this is very easily deniable. Go to dinner. Like I will be settled. You two go to dinner. Give me a blurry paparazzi picture at a restaurant in Philadelphia. Like go to dinner

and we're good. Yeah. This is easy to figure out if it's true or not. Because Taylor would never talk to her again if it was true. Just to say the letter that they sent to get Taylor subpoenaed said his lawyer said that they have a source was highly likely to have reliable information alleged to them that there is evidence of Lively's lawyers pressuring Swift's lawyers. OK, so lawyer to lawyer lawyer, not Ryan to Taylor, Ryan to lawyer, Ryan to lawyer to tailor to lawyer to release a statement of support for the actress amid the legal saga if they refused lively was willing to leak their text messages in what he called extortionate threats there is no evidence of the claims yet but the lawyer said their subpoena seeks to obtain these communications a legal letter and by the way they would have that correct so this this to me seems easily provable for in a year and we'll have forgotten him there's so many other things we're waiting on.

We're like, okay, we'll just bookmark that for the trial next year. Keeping up with sports. No, no, no, I mean, even in this trial, like so many he said, she said, and it's like, okay, jury's out until the jury's in in March, 2026. So we need to keep a list of things we're waiting for,

returns on in this trial. I think the Taylor one is something we'll remember. Like this is like- Remind us. It's a personal connection. Please remind us. Please remind us. Please remind us. Yeah, that's not good.

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Slayed, 25 seconds over, but we're fine. It was worth it, I had fun. Yeah, it was worth it. Our fifth and final story is a little rebranding news that means a lot to us because HBO Max will live again. Max will be changing its name back to HBO Max after two years ago, changing its name from HBO Max to Max. So they started as HBO Go, and then they were HBO Now,

and then they were HBO Max, and then they were Max, and now they're back to being HBO Max. And I remember when we reported that they were going from HBO Max to Max, that that was a mistake, because HBO, like, people die for recognizability like that. And while, yes, Max offers a wide variety of shows that were never on HBO, like people die for recognizability like that. And while yes, Max offers a wide variety of shows that were never on HBO,

it's most popular for streaming the White Lotus, things that are actively on HBO, Game of Thrones. Like, I don't know why they ran from it. And obviously they don't either, cause they're going back and normalize, like undoing something. You know, I feel like people, they spend so much money on rebrands like,

oh, we can't, we can't, even though it was a mistake. Like, no, clearly it was a mistake. Good on you for like acknowledging it. Okay, I just want to say good on you for nothing. Fucking stupid. This is so stupid that they ever went to Max. And not only that, I don't know if you remember this, I only remember it because I was cleaning out my apps

on my TV recently and I saw, Max was a new app. I just deleted HBO Max. They made you download something new. Are we gonna have to download something new again? You're so stupid with your bad shows. One more wrong move and everyone's gonna know. It's true.

We already know. Yeah, they're gonna know what we know. But guess what? If you make me download one more app, I'm not gonna do it. That's actually a really good point. I can live without the White Lotus. I could live without succession.

We had the blue app and then they made us get the purple one. And we had the black and I was happy with the black. No, if they make us redownload another app, which I don't know why you can't change your logo without having a whole new app, that, I didn't even think about that, Jackie. That's a really good point. I wanna see heads roll at HBO HQ.

I want heads on a spike. I want the name of the person who pushed this through and I want them pushed out the door. And then I will think about downloading the next app but not without accountability for all the upheaval you've caused in my life. Well, we just are supposed to applaud them for seeing what a third grader could have seen.

Oh my God, it's like a new show. Are you smarter than a Max executive? Yes. I'm cracking up. No, you're a hundred percent right. Like normalize. You're giving them so much grace and they don't deserve it. I am.

It's textbook. It's textbook. And this episode is brought to you by Hulu. So you guys can eat my ass, okay? Yeah. They would never do something so fucking foolish. Innovative. Yeah. They would never. No, but I mean, like Max could never do something as innovative as sponsoring the toast,

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Oh my God, I'm cracking up. No, you're right. Not me being so nice. Like, get on you. I just feel like sometimes people like make a mistake. That's so obvious, but like they did it in such a big way. They're like, well, we can't backtrack. We can't undo this.

We can. Yeah, but I feel like they're not even saying, we're sorry. Right. They're just being like, ha ha. Oops. Yeah, they put out a tweet of that Marnie quote. Like, okay, make fun of the girl who tried something new. It's like, no.

Make fun of the idiot who's an idiot. Make fun of the billion dollar company who couldn't see what as Jackie put it so eloquently, what a third grader could say. Make fun of the billion dollar company that can't hire someone with two brain cells. Damn. Yeah.

I'm sorry, that was crazy. You think you're gonna slip that into the fifth and final? I don't think so. I don't think so. It's such fifth and final story. It's like fodder though, you know? Yeah. It's the elk. It's the elk of a fifth and final story. That's like fodder though, you know? Yeah, streaming rebrand.

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which was last night's episode, the final weekend in the house. Lexi just like shows up and she's changed her mind and I live for it. And I feel like some people, what I had seen people saying, which I found really disappointing was like, they were so team Lexi up until this point,

but like last night was like clearly Lexi getting exposed as some sort of liar. Whereas I had a totally different experience. Like Lexi's valid in saying like, we just had a whole conversation breaking up, Sierra didn't come up once. You go up to recap with everyone and suddenly it's all about Sierra.

And then they're parsing out, they obviously had a conversation about Sierra this week at the US Open and they are describing it entirely differently. And I just want to say for everyone's like, everyone likes you so crazy, yada yada. Like Sierra has been like a thorn in their side of their relationship and they're finally doing better.

And I don't know if they went to the US Open together, but like taking pictures with a girl who's not your girlfriend, who's like, I think it's still inappropriate behavior on Jessie's part. And I know that's like not cool of me to say like, well, like Sierra didn't do anything. No, Sierra didn't do anything, but like you're obviously in a new relationship.

You've been accused of being super flirty with this girl. And I know you care about your friendship with her, but like, do you think it's appropriate when you're like in a relationship to be taking pictures and like hanging out solo with a girl who you said you wish you had hit on last summer. What's crazy is I agree with you. And like that now would be the time to just like

have more boundaries between the two of them just because she is like this sticking point. That's not even what Lexi said. What she said was like literally last weekend she was yelling at you calling you two-faced loser. Like couldn't give two shits about you. She's mean to Wes and she's been mean to Mel Summer and that's his best friend.

And I don't know how that's not a bigger issue between all of them. That like everything's about Jesse and Sierra. And it's like, wait, what about Wes? But he's just so happy to not be yelled at that he's not gonna start complaining. But so she's like, as your partner, like this was a person who was mean to you two days ago

and then I'd upset you and it hurt you and you said I dislike them. And then to see you with them, it does make you look like a liar. And I'm in protective mode of like, we're not about this person right now. So then I have to flip a switch because you just did, but like that's not how most people operate.

A thousand percent. And so it's either like one of these two people is lying and like their version of the truth is just so different. And so I don't know who I'm inclined to believe, but it's not Jesse, right? Like this is a person who has been dishonest with Lexi all season long. And then last night on Watch What Happens Live,

like literally he was asked kind of a harmless question. It was like, Wes, did you feel any type of way seeing Jesse like drunk mad that Lexi was allegedly flirting with you? And Jesse was like, I never said that. And both Andy and Wes were like, yeah, you did. It's literally on camera. Like we're not mad, but like, why are you lying?

Like it was such a random thing to lie about that I'm like, I'm not inclined to believe you as a truth teller. Yeah. I think that when Lexi and Jessie talk sometimes, and I think this happens in a lot of relationships, like where she says one thing and he hears another thing. So then he tells the group what he heard, but that's not what she said.

And I felt like her reactions last night, like really, unless she's a complete sociopathic liar, in which case I stand no chance against her. And I'm just watching it, and she's an actress for the ages. But her reaction to when Kyle brought up Sierra, and she was like, wait. She wasn't even putting on, she was just confused.

What about Sierra? What does that have to do with anything? And then at the table, I felt like nothing that they said, she never for one second looked guilty, or like, oh my God, I can't believe you told them what I said. Or she got like caught in some sort of like, she didn't. Right, so I'm with her. I think she's been more consistent than Jesse.

I trust her version of events more than Jesse's. What I do wanna know, and I'm sure she could answer the question if I get a chance to ask her, is she said over the summer, she caught him in a lot of little lies. Now of course there's To gate and Sierra flirt gate, but I feel like there were other things during the week,

other like just little omissions that she had noticed that she's also talking about. And I just would like to know like some examples and whether or not he got a manicure is irrelevant. And I don't think she was saying that he didn't get a manicure. It was just a feeling she felt. When you ask someone a question

and they tell you something and you can't believe them, that's not a person who should be with. And like now she knows that. I feel like also people will probably try and make something of the fact that she either should have broken up with him after the season. No, no, no, like not, like I feel like you could say that she was a little like thirsty.

So that's what people had said. I was team Lexi, but it seems like she just wanted the relationship to run its course the entire season. And the second the show ends on the last weekend, she's breaking up with him, which no, I don't agree with either. I don't agree with that. I understand why she didn't want to lead him on all weekend

and then break up with him next week. I also understand why she didn't break up with him on a Thursday. Like we are doing a show. We have been the main storyline and like, let's just put it to bed. And when everyone is involved in the house, sometimes like, yeah,

you don't want to have conversations in front of everyone, but like this dinner just put it to bed. And when everyone is involved in the house, sometimes like, yeah, you don't want to have conversations in front of everyone, but like this dinner table conversation needs to happen because when it's a game of telephone, it's like, let's all sit down and talk and I can hear what you said about me and you can hear what I think about you. No, and like Lexi feels so alienated from the girls. She blames Jesse for that. Jesse feels like Lexi's a liar and hates Sierra.

And like Lexi and Sierra like really have never talked. This is long overdue. And I like that she came in kind of guns blazing like defending herself because it kind of is her against everyone. Like they, there aren't sides, but the girls like Jesse. Yeah. And they like Sierra. And if it's turning into Lexi versus Sierra,

which more and more offline it is, like this during the season, I think you could say, well, they are not having no issue, but they clearly have an issue. There's clearly like this underlying tension. And then the rest of the year, like it gets bigger and it's gonna blow up at the reunion. And she said, don't talk about me and all this stuff.

So I think it all does need to be said out in the open. And I think Lexi's handling herself really well for someone who's coming in season one, kind of friendless. Yeah, Bailey got so cut out, I literally forgot about her. At least she has Lindsay and Gabby, but they're not gonna speak up to defend her because they have no idea what's going on. They barely know her.

But like- She's really on an island of her own. Yeah, and I think that she's handling herself well. So I feel bad for her. I do think that she really liked Jessie and something that people say that bothers me, it's like, this was always fake. They have no, where's the chemistry?

I've never seen two people so obsessed with each other. Like from the minute they met, it was like sparks flying. Agreed. I don't agree with a lot of what people are saying. Like, are we watching the same show? They can't keep their hands off each other. 1000%. The other thing I wanted to say is,

I felt like everybody was like really being dramatic and not understanding Lindsay's Instagram post at all. Like I did not think it was weird. And like, yeah, it was this major moment for her. And she wasn't even talking so much about the breakup. She talked about all the things she's accomplished in the year since and how like a year, if you had told her, you know, this is the worst day of your life, but in a year from now, you're going to be so happy, pregnant, like literally filling your dreams. Like everybody, Carl's so butthurt, like, and everybody was like gassing him up. It was weird. Like it really, I didn't think it was so weird. And even people who weren't being Carl about it

were just being so shady towards her. Amanda, I read your book. Yeah, so shady. Don't be fucking rude. Agreed. This is a monumental moment. And I don't know, Lindsey at this point can do no wrong for me.

She can do no wrong for me too, but also she is pregnant. I do think that she has a tendency to have a long Instagram caption. It's not like she's always been short and sweet and chose today to write a novel. Like I think that's the type of social media user that she is. She's being reflective. Like what's, and it happened to fall on a Friday. Like I'm sure if it happened on a Wednesday, she would have, she didn't meet like to post

it an hour before coming into the house, but that's how it shook out. No, and also even when she was like making her speech, it wasn't even derogatory towards Carl. It was like, we're both better off. Like it's good. I don't know. They were like really looking for something.

There wasn't anything there. Yeah. Like I was like, what's the big fucking deal? You just let her like be. And she just- Let her be. She's so funny. Like you're just never- I was cracking up. You're not funny. So I she let her be she's so funny like you're just cracking you're not funny

So i'm never gonna be on your side. No, I mean carl rolling up in his mobile Mobile bar, excuse me. Yeah. Yeah, I literally burped. I couldn't even say it his mobile bar That was like a low for Humanity. Yeah, but at least like that truck looks good compared to ten thousand dollars a month for the next 17 years You should continue doing the truck. Yeah. It's a nice truck. Yeah, keep the truck, go around. It's not liquor, so you don't need a license.

It's like a little ice cream truck. Ice cream truck, yeah. Everyone wants a little refreshment in the summer. 1000% a mocktail. Go up to the spot. So park it outside of Surf Lodge. Here you are, Claudia. Here you are.

That's like me at the beginning of the show trying to manifest. Literally. And be present. Be present, here you are. And now I need to go to Soft Bar to become present. You're kind of like a Target demo. You don't drink.

The thing is I'm the Target demo and I wouldn't want to go. That's a problem. You couldn't get Jackie within 100 feet of Soft Bar. Not even because it's Carl's. Like I just don't- No, I know. Well, yes, because it's Carl's,

but also because it's a terrible idea. Who would I go with? Who would go with me? If I even cared enough to go. Right. Nobody wants to go there with kids. That's true. They shouldn't, honestly, if it's a bar,

cause it's soft bar, obviously they don't sort of alcohol. They shouldn't allow kids in, right? Right. It's supposed to be like an adult elevated experience. It's supposed to be vibing. It's very problematic, this soft bar. To put it mildly. Yeah. So I think we probably put it mildly. Yeah.

So I think we probably have one more episode. Yeah, next week's the season finale. And then the reunion, which I've heard was great. So it's been a good season. And for everyone being like- And also don't forget, on the season finale, we're gonna get Paige and Craig. Oh yeah, but for everybody being like,

and Nevelexy and Jessie, honestly, thank you, what the hell would we be talking about? Kyle Sperm? It's the only thing that happened this season. They're the only people who brought it. No,'s really true what would have maybe someone would have done something Emeril it's time to talk to Emeril I should have him on for Jackson Blank. It would just be a silent episode but like I do look forward to hearing from Emeril at the reunion like I do need to I hope he's not here next season. No he's not. But we do need to close the book on Emeril.

A thousand percent. They cut him out of last week's episode. You know, he was in the house. He was? Yeah, I saw like people putting it together on social media, like he was fully in the house. Why cut him out? I don't know.

It's like more work. Like I literally don't know. Maybe they didn't want to pay him. Like he carried that pricey. So true. The editor's work was probably more pricey. That's so crazy if they didn't want to pay him, but like he carried that pricey. The editor's work was probably more pricey. That's so crazy if they didn't want to pay him. Oh my God. To me, he's up there with Benji on a stick

of like horrible reality TV that warms my heart. Yeah, like sometimes you just have to like kind of look away or like squint. But like it's so bad, it's good. It's so bad that it's good. It's so bad that it's good. That's our summer house recap. That's our final pregnant podcasting in public and person together.

Final, this era of Jackson Claude podcasting in this era of this time. Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye. You were bigger than the whole sky. You are more than just a short time. This one lasted pretty long, this error. Yeah. I've got a lot to pine about.

I've got a lot to think about. I'm never gonna meet what could've been, would've been, what should've been you. Love ya. Bye. Tears. Tears. Bye.