The Toast - Put It In The Book: Monday, June 26th, 2023

Episode Date: June 26, 2023

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Good morning, Millennials! Welcome back to The Toast. Happy Monday. Hope everybody had an amazing weekend. It's Monday. We're rising. Work rising. And speaking of rising and grinding, shout out to my favorite hustler, Jackie O. Shout out to the girl on bed rest, rising and grinding. She's rising, she's grinding, she's getting back in bed, and she's doing it all again. She's resting. Do you like my voice?

No, I don't, but what do we owe it? I don't know, it's just something I'm trying out. Is this a new personality? Do I have to come up with a new name for you? Where's Turdy Lou? I miss her. Turdy Lou's right here. Thank God. I just get stuck in voices sometimes sometimes and you can't get out of it you're telling me yeah i've been stuck in the camper for five years she wrote a whole book about

it that's the best way to get out of it is to put it down on paper publish it honey put it in the book put it in the book give it to the world just a reminder that my children's book is available for pre-sale now on amazon barn Barnes & Noble, IndieBound. If you want to support small bookshops, Target, Walmart, wherever you shop, check it out. It's so much fun. I was reading it all weekend. I took it home from the studio because Harry was like, Mama, where's my favorite book? Oh, you gave birth to Jason Momoa?

Harry was like, Mama? By the way, Claudia, I know that we used to roast jason momoa for like seeing actually it was weird because it was a woman he saw on tv he wasn't saying to his actual mama let's just quickly explain the originator of our mama joke it's probably five years old yes so jason momoa aquaman cal drogo he used to be married to lisa benet and they just got divorced recently but he used to tell this story of how growing up like he saw her on tv the cosby show yeah and he like pointed at the tv and said mama like and it would be a cute story if he you know ended being, you know, her son. Like, mama?

Like, what? I just remember everyone being like, oh, how cute. I'm like, wait, mama? Yeah, no, it was really weird. But I'm just, what I wanted to say about Justice for Jason Momoa is, that is how Harry says mama. Like, that is the inflection. He says, Harry's your son! No, I know.

But now I'm, okay, now I'm seeing it from a mother's point of view what if he was pointing to the tv and like trying to get his mom's attention like mama her you know oh i could see harry doing that like trying to show me the woman he's gonna marry and saying mama right like when he watches my special disgrace queen he like points at the tv and he says mama i'm gonna marry that woman yeah sure we're so toxic when it comes to harry like you know what don't even care don't even no one thing about me i'm not caring no he's he loves it i'm so obsessed i need to see him like he was so busy all weekend okay he was he was busy all weekend but you were really busy this weekend this was the first weekend that you were really busy this weekend this was the first weekend that you weren't here I mean it was the first weekend that I that I took for myself you

know it's really true I feel like you've been like hanging around the city because you just like want to support me and be there for me yeah you did your own thing this weekend which I'm happy for you that you did that but I also could like feel the separation anxiety between you and Harry I was feeling it was tough too no like it was tough but you're Harry. I was feeling it from him too. It was tough. No like it was tough. But you're back. But I had a great weekend. I had a great weekend but it was tough. Yeah tell us about your weekend. It looked really great. You were with a bunch of influencers. You were just kind of like on your influencer grind. I know like you know I sometimes like go to things or just like it's usually when I hang out with Remy because Remy's such an influencer that like

I really am reminded like I'm an influencer you know I just don't identify as an influencer but like being with all the influencers like I had the best time like influencers they really are so fun so I went to the Hamptons for the weekend one just because like I wanted to you know have a nice weekend but two there was a music festival out there this weekend that I've actually never been to but people go to every year like it always looks fun so I was like you know maybe I'll go this year it's palm tree festival I think it's like owned by Kygo. And Kygo performed. Calvin Harris performed. And it was just, like, a bunch of good DJs lined up. And it was really fun. Like, me and Ben had the best time. Mostly, I had a good time because, like, I was wearing these pants.

Well, yeah. Your pants were what made you an influencer because those were influencer, like, those were the sort of pants An influencer would wear. They were influencer pants, but they were also like rave girl pants, you know? Yes, sort of. Like dubstep pants. Yeah, I forget what the dance move is that people do at raves. Where you put your one foot in front and then in back. It's like the mashed potato.

100%. But when you say rave girl girl I think like EDC. No no no I'm thinking of like what is that move called it's like the dub or whatever like. No I know it's like. It's literally the mashed potato but it's now being done at raves and it has a new name. Yeah. It's like two-stepping dub stepping. I know exactly what you're talking about and I feel like other people do too.

Please just drop a comment like I was trying to make the joke all night but I couldn't remember what the fucking dance was called. And when you say rave girl, rave girl is like dolls kill energy. Yeah. That's not what you were putting off. Yeah. Okay whatever but you know what I'm talking about. I know exactly what you're talking about. So like the pants were giving me like this alter ego and I was just like walking around like I owned the festival because like I looked like I did with my pants. But I had such a good time me and Ben just like really we like chilled all weekend it was kind of rainy which was annoying but like we we stayed at canoe place which by the way you would love like I know you love like a drivable cottage vibe

cottage vibe yes I do so this is it was 90 minutes from the city because it was in West Hampton it was drivable it was cottage vibes they have a spa a pool it was it's like brand new it's so cute and they serve spritz just like added bonus and it's strice friendly I you know I have to assume it I didn't ask but it was so dog friendly like just in the energy I assume it's strice friendly I should have brought Theo I didn't realize we'd be staying at like a cottage that had like its own backyard like I really could have brought Theo and it was like me and Ben were yesterday we were like we're both working from home on Monday like we could just stay one more day but we honestly didn't want to spend one more minute away from Stry. Oh but if he was there two birds one stone I actually didn't even know you came home last

night I thought I might be podcasting remotely with you from the Hamptons again. We could have we could have. You've been so mysterious. I'm so mysterious. What you didn't see a picture of me in my car? No but also you could be in your car like going to dinner in the Hamptons. Yeah that's we could have you've been so mysterious I'm so mysterious well you didn't see a picture of me in my car no but also you could be in your car like going to dinner in the Hamptons yeah that's true it's true it was kind of you know my first weekend away with the car me and Ben it was like a 90 minute drive there 90 minute drive back both there and back we did not stop talking about our car like all we were like how amazing is this like we're just like have the freedom like you know usually we use Ben's parents cars like if we had wanted to extend we would have had to call and say is that okay and

like arrange but no we're so free we just like we literally were talking the whole weekend about our freedom so what you're saying is freedom is a highway freedom is a high and you know what this weekend was kind of just like filled with fast cars and freedom damn I mean that is how I feel about Tesla just like so free free. So I understand. I understand the hype. But if I hadn't just gotten a new car, like maybe I wouldn't be able to participate in this conversation. But I totally understand. Now, it wouldn't be a weekend away if I didn't have to unburden myself. So I will go. So here you go. Wait, I had more questions, though, before you get to the negative. Let's focus on the positive still, because you were

with fellow influencers. One of my favorite girl is Juliet Porter. You guys know I'm obsessed with Siesta Key. But did you see Alex Earle? Because I saw she was there. I did see Alex Earle. I saw Alex Earle. We were, like, in the same table area.

So I went over and said hi to her because I had met her at a Rare Beauty event. And we, like, DM'd a bunch. And, like, you know when you're talking to someone like you have you know for a fact that they have no idea who you are yeah so she was so polite but like homegirl had no idea and that's fine she meets a lot of people but like I thought we connected she's met so many people in the last year I can't even be mad because we've literally met once like you look different every day so true I feel like not a this not a spitting this into a positive no totally like I feel like you need to take into account that like if you met someone

six months no six months and but a year ago like you're a different turdy no it's so true it's so true I wasn't even mad like I can only imagine how many people like are up her ass and I was just another one of them and how many people feel that way about you that you don't know who they are, but you're talking to them. Wow. So true. Perspective. Yeah, no, she was so nice.

And like there was like it was influencer central and it was really fun. Like everyone was like just really getting lit. I was, you know, deeply unwell. And there was quite a bit of walking around and And I was wearing these, like, really big platform sneakers. And when I tell you, my shit, like, my calves are on fire literally two days later. I will never wear big shoes like that to, like, a festival ever again because I can't feel my legs. You live in New York. I was like, why do my legs hurt so much?

And I realized I was, like, literally wearing ankle weights. Okay, but to the unburden yourselves ready okay you know a festival is never like an easy place to go to the bathroom and there were like you know bathrooms the line was so long and I was like I'm sorry no no so I went into like this parking lot where like a bunch of people's cars were parked and it was empty because everyone was inside the festival. This was just a parking lot. So I like went behind the car. I chose like a big one. I chose like a big sprinter and I just peed. Like it was not a big deal. It was easy. I like went right behind, pulled my pants down, peed. All good. And I'm walking towards the front of the car and the person in the driver's seat, like, knocks and rolls the windows down, and he was fully in the car.

The car was on. I was peeing right in front of the rearview camera, and he was just hysterically laughing. I guess I didn't account for, like, you know, somebody having hired, like, a car service and the driver waiting. I thought, you know, it would be all empty cars. He couldn't have been nicer, honestly. He didn't even make me feel like weird or anything he was like good

for you you know the line I was like oh yeah yeah it honestly he unburdened it for me cuz he was so cool and so he didn't mention anything about you not wiping he didn't mention anything about my unmentionables no that's good were you facing him or like did he see your butt? I was my ass was facing the car. So your ass was in his face? My ass was in his face. Cool, cool. Yeah, no wonder he was fine with it.

Yeah, no, he got a show. Free show from the tourney. Free show from the tourney. And you know what? I peed two more times after that and I kept going back to the same spot. little bit more discreetly but like I knew it was a safe space for me did you bring any like tissue paper no not you getting like fixated on the fact that I didn't wipe like what was I supposed to do three times what was I supposed to do you're gonna get irritation no totally I was wearing a bodysuit I'm literally going to get a UTI. Literally.

Take your Eucora. Take your Eucora. I should take my Eucora. I'm feeling fine. Okay. That's good. And I'll let you know if it starts to get any, you know, burning or itching. Well, I'm glad you were able to unburden yourself. I'm glad you had a great weekend. I feel like every time you lean into the influencer life, like, you love it. No, I know. But, like, I can't, like, dive head deep or whatever Ben says, head first, head deep into influencer life because it's honestly – it'll suck you in. It will. It'll suck you in. It's so true.

I can't. You have to keep your head above water. Yeah. No, and then I'm going to be, like, walking around thinking I'm Alex Earl. I'm like, we know I'm not. Sure, but like I feel like everyone kind of walks around thinking they're Alex Earl and they're like much further off than you are. So why not turdy? That's true.

Why not? Oh, man. I'm like literally choking. Sorry. I drank Pellegrino. Big mistake. Shouldn't drink carbonation while I podcast. You do it every single day with your La Croix, but okay.

La Croix is like not carbonated no it's it is but no like I know technically but not as carbonated as those first few sips of Pellegrino from a bottle Pellegrino from a bottle hits different and the first few sips could take your eyes out they could take your esophagus out, it's so spicy. I know. But then it gets really, like, stale really fast. That's true. They should work on that. A hundred percent. The extremes.

You know what I watched last night so randomly? Like, Zach just put a movie on on cable. Okay. But I had never seen it, so I was just taken in by it. The Martian. Matt Damon? Yeah. Have you ever seen it? No. It was really good. Okay. Yeah I haven't

watched something like good in a while. I should really seek out. I just really like enjoyed it and I came in in the middle so I was still like putting stuff together and we have like a really small TV in the living room and like I could barely hear anything but I really liked it. Well imagine like if you watched it on a real tv how much you would imagine if I like saw it in theaters from the beginning and not with commercials oh yeah no it was a horrible like experience and it was on cable yeah and I still really enjoyed it at some point I should have just like stopped it went to a streaming service and like found the movie I'm sure it's on max or something yeah me adapting to the rebrand max maximilian i dropped the hbo

uh but i didn't do that and i should have and now like the movie's kind of ruined for me that's like when i watched gone girl and i came in in the middle and so i never had that moment of spoiler alert like not knowing if she was alive or dead because i came in and she's in the car talking herself about her big plan so true by the way um that also watching like a real movie for the first time on cable it should never be done very recently and they cut stuff out too like oh no it's made for tv yeah they cut out like transitional scenes all these things ben ben and i watched the help it was on e like month ago. I've seen it a thousand times. Ben has never seen it. He thought it was the most amazing movie.

I'm like, I really should turn this off and like put it on. But he was like enthralled. Like I couldn't touch the clicker. No, that was me with The Martian last night. I guess it's better to have watched a movie on cable with commercials and cuts than never to have seen it at all. So true. The Chuggie, that's beautiful.

Thank you so much. And now I should go and like watch it from the beginning. For real. But. Nah. Nah, I got the gist. Anyway, so it was nice because it's been a while since I watched something good and something I, we were FaceTiming on, what night was that? Saturday night? Yeah, after I left the festival, we FaceTimed. Yeah, and I had just watched officially the worst piece of shit I ever saw in my life and I want to take back everything negative I've been talking about TV in general because nothing was as bad as what I watched on Saturday night. Wait I was like so blackout I don't even remember what you're talking about. And just like that season two episode one. Oh my god wait. Do you

not remember this conversation? I do not remember this conversation conversation oh my god you were cracking up at my take okay because I watched the first episode but I know you didn't finish it I know oh my god yeah because we had this conversation but I'll enlighten you oh my god the worst show I've ever seen I did not watch season one but Zach did so he was like can I watch the new episode so I was like yeah I was reading anyway so I was just like not planning on really watching but I was sucked in by how terrible it was like I know not even the show itself the writing like yeah cringe like everything is so cringe even scenes between like beloved you know Charlotte and Harry they don't have their same like dynamic it's everything was making me cringe so so hardcore also now there's eight main

characters question yes yes oh you didn't see the first season no but I watched the recap of the first season previously so Miranda's law professor and Miranda's not even in law school anymore so I don't really know why the women would still be like hanging out with her um and Seema actually I like Seema she's very fabulous and cute I don't have an issue with the their storylines or whatever but like eight people is a lot to keep up with yeah well I watched an interview um Cynthia Nixon did it's clear they're like over correcting the fact that like there was not a singular black person on the original show and it was like so white and like so now like Miranda not Miranda what's her name Cynthia was like you know I loved our show it was like so white and like so now like Miranda not Miranda what's her name

Cynthia was like you know I loved our show it was like a perfect show except for and so now they're like um adding additional characters to like be more representative and it's it is a lot of main characters like honestly I know this is like gonna be a hot take like I could live without Charlotte now that I have like everyone like Charlotte's, pretty much. Except the only thing she really brings is Harry. Yeah, but even he was, like, meh, you know? I didn't see much of him. They weren't giving what they used to give. No.

Harry was just insufferable talking about how, like, you know, she has this Thursday nights with her podcast producer. And he wants to go out on Tuesday. And, like, I, like, what? And she kept having that conversation with every eight people in the show yeah and I was just like this is you're 60 if you want to go out on Tuesday go out on Tuesday and if you don't don't but like this isn't like this isn't the sex in the city of yore it's not the sex in the city of yore it feels like all the characters like all the actors who are acting with

one another like are meeting for the first time like there's no familiarity and there's no you're just so aware that everyone's acting no and the way that the lines are delivered like it was really about the writing like it was so staged and phony and like it was so bad like the just the quality of the show was so bad I was in shock and like the writing was so like butt clenching I was clenching my butt yeah I couldn't believe it no and it's like for me I've had this renaissance in the last few years with the original show and I love Miranda so much and I feel like she I think out of all of them she's the one with the most um defined personality and I just don't see this journey that she's on, just kind of like leaving her family behind and moving to California

and following around Che. Following around Che. And Che's like, go away. Yeah. That's just not something. And then Miranda, like, maybe I missed a scene. But Miranda confronts her like, why don't you want me around? And then Che's like, because I'm on a diet.

What? You didn't get there yet. Like, I guess Miranda was trying to be touchy with her and like Che went on a diet for her show or something and so she was feeling like insecure about her belly but it's like but why'd you tell her to leave the comedy store okay I don't really get it but no no maybe but maybe I missed a scene no but like that's what I mean like it was just like these leaps. Well, yeah, and that's the thing. It's like Miranda, this is so uncharacteristic of Miranda. Like we know Miranda. She's a creature of habit.

Like she, you know, she gets the same thing at the Chinese food place that the person knows her order. Like this whole like throwing caution to the wind and leaving behind like her very stable family life to like have some sort of midlife crisis is not something Miranda would do. Like if you know Miranda, you know how like borderline like boring she is.

Like she just does the same thing all the time and she likes that. Yeah, but I think that's exactly- That's why she chose Steve. But that's exactly what a midlife crisis is. I know, but like of all the people, like Miranda's not susceptible to a midlife crisis. No, but I, okay, maybe. But I also think the person who is boring and does the same thing and always makes

the safe choices like is susceptible to a midlife crisis I guess like maybe it's not a midlife crisis like I don't know I just I don't I don't I'm not getting midlife crisis vibes from her except when she was like in the early scenes when she's like in LA and she like loves LA but actually that reminded me of insects in the city when they go to LA. She hates LA. Oh I thought she loved LA. No they all ended up hating it. I thought she loved it until that guy chewed his food and spit it out. Yeah yeah yeah she was like oh maybe I could get with this and she's like no this is all a facade. No that kind of happened in that episode too. She's like doing like the cryo chamber and everything. She's like, I love this life. And then she gets some salt water in her eye. She's like, oh, that part I did see. Yeah. Wait, I want to tell you really quick about another show

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It's on Hulu and it's like Jeremy Allen White, who we were just talking about from Shameless. And I think everyone's just like obsessed with him. So like whatever they were going to watch, like whatever that he was going to be in, they were going to watch. And oh my God, it's literally so bad. I was just like, it's like 30 minute episodes.

So the first one was bad. I'm like, okay, but you know what? Like we're setting the scene. The second one was really bad. I'm like, oh, we must be missing something. Third episode, shit. The show like gives me anxiety. Everybody's always yelling at everyone.

It's about this like sandwich shop. And there's never any like it's meant I think to like glamorize like the he's like this you know James Beard award winning chef who like comes back to his hometown because his brother passed away and he takes over his brother's sandwich shop and he tries to like make it into you know he's like a French kitchen like he tries. Yeah. And he was at this like really toxic New York restaurant that like you know abused him and like and you know it's like yes chef did you ever see the movie The Menu? No. It reminds me of that it's just like high culinary experiences oh my god the show is

horrible it's horrible he's like trying to turn this like ragtag group of you know like cooks into like fancy chefs yes chef pommelier chef and everyone's just yelling at each other like no one's listening to him even though he owns the restaurant like it's such a bad show like I couldn't believe how people were talking about the show I don't get it well it does sound like a good premise for a show so I understand how you were roped in um but no and everything his name in the show is Carmine because they're like Italian you know a family sandwich shop but they call him Carmi and it just it doesn't roll off the tongue whenever anyone says it like it sounds like a fake name Carmi well you know Claudia it is a fake name because it's television

I know and and it's like it's reminding me when you're watching television you're not supposed to be so aware that it's so fake. And that's another, that's exactly the feeling I get with And Just Like That. Oh my God. Yeah. And also what's crazy about And Just Like That is like Carrie, like all throughout Sexton City was just like this rising writer and, you know, career girl. And it's like, and now she has a podcast.

Once a week, Thursdays. And it makes me feel good. It makes me feel like you know I chose a really great profession so like that selfishly like is nice but it's just like all that to just have a podcast well it's she had a weekly column and now she has a weekly podcast but she wrote books yeah well maybe she'll do she's new to the podcasting game I do think like them switching her to be from being like a columnist a weekly columnist to a weekly podcast it's actually a very good way of bringing the show into like the 21st century I don't mind that but you're right she doesn't have that she was like a driven girly yeah no but also that would make sense if we were

doing like sex in the city uh younger with young people and like the Carrie character has a podcast instead of a column like that makes perfect sense but like she not to be like ageist or anything and it's not even about her age but to like then graduate to a podcast yeah I guess after like years like decades of a storied career in writing yeah she doesn't write anymore I know but I can't think and that's a waste. But I can't even think of like a comparable person in real life who was like a really big writer who then became. Like a digital. A podcaster at like some TV people who are like really big on TV now like do all digital stuff. Yeah. Which makes sense. It's kind of the same medium. But, like, I don't know.

It was just something a little disappointing. Like, all that for a weekly podcast for Carrie. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. No, and it's, like, people who have weekly podcasts more often than not have, like, other things going on. Parts of their job. Like, whether they're content creators or bloggers or stand-up.

And so, like, podcasting is one part of their job but it's not their whole job but it seems like Carrie's just doing the podcast right and is her podcast successful right that would be an interesting like episode Carrie your numbers are dropping like do something where's Carrie in the charts but if she's like if she's number one you know and she is like the biggest sex and relationship podcast whatever she's like the call her daddy of of yeah and just like that then okay but like I just she's been always been so career focused and it's like this is where she's at after years of hard work no you're you're not wrong Jax because like anyways but as a podcaster I do feel seen I I'm not going to lie.

Yeah, no, it's like everybody wants a podcast. And everyone can have one. It's so true. There's room for everyone, Turdy. There's room for everyone. And then other than that, I read so much this weekend. Me too. Oh, I want you to update everyone on The Rose Code,

and I want to know your final thoughts. The Rose Code, historical fiction, world war ii i loved it i really did and i would have given it five stars but there was absolutely no reason it should have been that long like i like the book was over like i was reading the book and it was like over you know everyone was like settling down and in my kindle it said 30 minutes left like there's no reason for that you know there wasn't a final twist no okay and I really enjoyed it I loved the epilogue the epilogue gave like a lot of context for what parts of the book were real and then um brought it back to like something that originally that not originally that actually happened in 2014 with Kate Middleton so I loved it it was not my usual

choice but that's what a book club is for I loved it and the way I felt like so morally superior to like everyone in the past week because like I was just reading this book and then I was like looking around at like Ben and like my friends and being like I'm reading a book about like World War II and like I'm

kind of like better than you like the book actually gave me like a like a real superiority complex now you know how I feel yeah no and like I was just like talking to people and if they like didn't know about my book like I was just like oh I can't you're so dumb uncultured swine uncultured swine like actually and I'm sure like you were the only influencer at palm tree festival that was reading about world war ii yeah and it was like nobody wanted to talk about Bletchley park you know the famed secret underground mission by England to decode Nazi Morse code like nobody wanted to talk about that and I was like well you're not as smart as me it's

disappointing when people don't want to talk about that. Yeah. And now I'm going to watch a movie, The Imitation Game. Oh, yeah, because The Imitation Game is literally the book. But it can be really isolating when you're in that place. When you're so much smarter than, like, even, you know, your own husband. It was difficult. But that's why you have me. And my book club.

And your book club. That's literally what it's for. Yeah. Oh, an update from last week. None of my friends listened to the toast. I thought they would all be texting me clamoring for a ride. It wasn't until two days later that Rachel, who is pregnant, like literally eight months pregnant, so we gave her a pass. She's like, oh my God, am I the last one to text?

I'm like, Rachel, you're the first one to text. Then once Rachel texted me, Margo and Abe were like wait what like what's going on I didn't listen and now everyone wants a ride so if you could just pause for a second then I'm podcasting in here if you could stop shaking the tums like you are in a mariachi band okay oh okay fine it's raining it's raining oh okay it's raining okay okay I didn't stop mine did you stop yours no no I think it's fine I was just yelling at them you could just leave it um so do you think that it was just a fluke that Margo and Abe didn't hear that episode or they're kind of like lying about how into the toast they are I think Margo and Abe don't support me

and you know what now that I've said that, we'll see. We'll see. What a frightening car ride. You in the driver's seat. Two people in the back who you feel aren't supporting you. What is Turdy going to do? And the only person I have on my side is Rachel. And she's eight months pregnant.

She can't really defend me. Yeah, that's true. Well, she could defend you, like, emotionally. Verbally. Verbally, yeah. But if it comes to blows. It'll make for a very interesting book club. It will. Well, I'm excited.

What did you read? For you. I read Frida McFadden, Never Lie, because you recommended it. Did you love? I did really like it. Not as much as The Housemaid. And I didn't find it as spooky as you said. Like you were like, that was the night that you screamed at bed yeah I literally wasn't reading it before bed I was reading my

non-fiction book because I was like I don't want to read spookiness before bed but I did not find it that oh my god I was like immediately spooked from the second I stepped into that house oh no I wasn't but I it was very twist and turn I did not predict any of it. Me neither. I like thought I knew what was going to happen. I was like, fuck, I've spoiled the book for myself. Yeah, because I think you're supposed to think. You're supposed to think. Spoiler alert. You're supposed, spoiler alert.

I think you're supposed to think that her fiance is EJ. Is EJ. Because his name is Ethan. They both like wine. They both like wine. They both picked the South African wine. They both have wealthy deceased parents. Yeah.

But I was like, there's no way way because it was honestly like so obvious. No but I was like I'm just so good now. Like I've read so many books. I finally you can't pull one over on me. You thought you were better than everyone. I literally was going to text you and be like oh Claudia I think I spoiled the book for myself. No. I know.

But no it wasn't that. Unspoiler alert. And then I read the new A.R. Torrey book she wrote one of our favorite books Every Last Secret which one's that about Nina Nina yeah yeah so the new book is called A Fatal Affair and I started it last night it was so good it's more mystery than thriller like I didn't feel like it's like so fast paced like you know. No it's giving like SVU. Yeah it's giving SVU like whodunit. Yeah I'm like five percent in. I started last night. Yeah it took me a while to not a while maybe like 20 percent. It doesn't grip you like Frida does but um the story was really paying off and I really enjoyed it and I did not see it coming. I think next we need to read The Inmate by Frida. That's what everyone's recommending to me. Frida. When did, where did Frida come from? I have no fucking idea. Michelle

from my book club like recommended one Frida book to me and then I started seeing the book everywhere. Like everyone was posting The Housemaid and I just fell in love. Her books are like really good length and she's good with the, with the spin. Like you never know what the, what the thing is going to be. Right. And they're, she's a good writer and they're all on Kindle Unlimited. They're all on Kindle Unlimited. By the way,

Fatal Affair is on Kindle Unlimited. Oh, yeah, yeah, I did see that. No, and it's like,

I just feel like Frida came out of nowhere and all of a sudden, like, she's the new it girl. I love that for her. She's the new girl in town. That's a guy on a string.

And I swear, she writes a book every six months. No, she's literally amazing. No she's amazing and the Kindle Unlimited of it all. You pay for Kindle Unlimited right? Yeah it's an amazing because if you read a lot of thrillers and a lot of smut like it's full of Kindle on Kindle Unlimited. Most of the time I have Kindle Unlimited and most of the books I read are never on it but like since I've been reading a lot of thrillers in the last two months like now it's like you gotta release one from your shelf you

have too many kindle unlimiteds wait what like I download the book and then you can only have so many free books on your kindle so then you have to release one if you want to download another one that's never happened to me huh maybe you have a better plan maybe but I think I just did like the entry plan like I did the trial and then they started charging me that's so crazy I've never they've never said release I don't ever oh I have to look through what I have on Kindle Unlimited and and give one back but it's fine because I've already read it not them acting like the library like there's infinite digital copies to stop no it's so true and it's like it's so stupid it really is but it does make me think about what I have there and I saw a book there that I never read that now I want to read. I

didn't know I had it so. Well I like so far I think Kindle Unlimited is worth the whatever it is like six bucks a month. Yeah especially if your categories are very unlimited. Historical fiction is not on Kindle Unlimited. No it's not. But you could also only shop Kindle Unlimited books and then not be surprised if something's not on it. Yeah. So. So what else before we dive in? I feel like this is one of our longest pre-Fast Five banters. I mean a Monday is always gonna be a lot of banter especially because we weren't together and we really didn't catch up and the catch-up that we did have you don't remember so true so what was a girl to do what's a girl gotta do a turdy's gonna turd but I mean we could talk about how Taylor played Dear John and Daylight in Minneapolis this weekend I know even I felt that that was deep and she gave like a little speech before Dear John. She did. She basically was like listen I'm re-releasing this album not because I'm still

mad about the stuff that I wrote about so don't feel the need to like defend me to people who you think like did me wrong. Like basically being like just back off John Mayer. I think that's pretty much what she was saying. I just feel like if John Mayer gets a lot of heat from the album, like, he's not going to take it quietly. Like, he's going to come back swinging at all the fans and Taylor inadvertently, too. And, like, she just doesn't want to go toe-to-toe with John Mayer. Yeah.

No, I mean. I think she knew that Jake Gyllenhaal would just, like, you know, clam up. Yeah. Like, he was never going to. Because Jake Gyllenhaal, like, has a really unspoken about and weird pattern of dating like 19 20 21 year olds so like he's never gonna come out and defend himself like he's just gonna let it and you know what it passed it's over because everyone's on to John Mayer now but like if that sort of tidal wave comes for John Mayer he's coming out swinging yeah he's not gonna like take it laying down and you know it's so interesting

and like something about the Swifties that it's like funny but like I don't know how I feel about it like whenever I'm on TikTok and I come across a video from John Mayer's TikTok or um Karlie Kloss the comments like there's not one comment like Karlie you look beautiful like it's literally like gold eyes like quoting like Taylor Swift lyrics like and it's so crazy like people can't you know people who were once in Taylor's life and who are not now like can't move on well I'm sure they have but like yeah they have but that's so funny I would never think like oh Carly you know struggles with her comments because they're all about Taylor Swift I'm surprised she hasn't turned her comments off like any song that people perceive to be about Carly the lyrics are just

like they flood her comments that's really crazy and the Swifties need to get a grip I know it's like you have to let people no one's gonna want to get close to Taylor like if we keep acting this way it's true so maybe that's like part what she was saying yeah but I think she also just doesn't want to like. She's not putting out this album to get into a public feud with John Mayer. Right. This is 15 years ago. Right.

Or whatever. So like she wants to own her masters. Let the girl own her masters. Please don't embarrass her. Mm-hmm. But people are not going to be able to accept that. No. Like I do think Taylor saying something like might make an impact.

But not. It's not going to completely eradicate the problem. No. But you know it's good for like me because then I won't like dive into the harbor again. No no I'm not going to like think too hard about it. But also she put out all too well 10 minute version which just gave us like so much more information that we were processing for the first time. So so no people are having the same experience because she just released

Would've, Could've, Should've. Right. And Would've, Could've, Should've is, you know, believed to be about John Mayer. So it's like, all right, you said you're over it, but like you did just release a song that's about it. Okay, well, not everyone has to make sense all of the time. I agree, by the way. I agree.

There can be some inconsistencies. No, one thing about me, like, I'm going to contradict myself. Yeah. And that's okay. Things are fluid, constantly changing. Life is just constantly in motion. Yeah, well, we do have a Taylor story, so we'll talk more about our swirly then. And without further ado, here are the Fast Five stories that you need to know.

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Yeah. Oh my god. It's like thunder. Feel the thunder. Oh I'm thinking like rain was driving thunder lightning. That's good too. Um okay. I saw this.

Do you know what that means? What? If there's thunder. It's a chilly day. Oh my god. It's such a chilly day. Especially because Ben's such a chilly day especially because ben's bringing from home i'm literally ordering all the ingredients right when this is over honestly you should order them now have ben get to work bring chili over because it's like harry needs chili by the way uh i like

that idea if ben's free tonight he might have a stupid basketball league but if he's free we'll all come over for chili that's so so nice. That's so nice. Okay, wait, back to Mr. Beast. I actually follow, weirdly, Mr. Beast on Twitter. So I saw him tweet this and I was like, that's so crazy. But it's not like that surprising because we were literally talking last week about how this company had like, had all these like, you know,

maritime content creators come on in the last few years and reach out to work with them. So it's not shocking. It's so scary. And I just, I'm glad he shared this. Like I found it so interesting. Yeah, a lot of other people and people went too. And those maritime content creators like have content

from when they went. So everyone's just like coming forward with their experiences, either going or almost going. Apparently the father-son duo who perished on the submersible the mother spoke out and said that she was actually supposed to go with her husband but that her son really wanted to go oh oh okay because a family member the aunt said he had spoken out and said he was like dreading it begging not to go right but he only did it like to please his father for Father's Day.

Okay. Well you know what? The mom probably knows better. Yeah and also that he he's really good at Rubik's Cubes. Yes and he brought one with him. He was practicing because he was trying to break like a world record or something. And I think he wanted to break it on the sub. Oh. I can't. Oh my god. The story's so

sad. It really is. And the mom also said that even though um the u.s navy had heard that the implosion like the day that the sub went missing that they didn't tell the families that yeah well i saw a bunch of people giving like um their thoughts on why the navy there was like no way to know that this sound had anything to do with the missing like Like, this ocean, especially in that, like, dark, deep water, like, makes crazy sounds. Of course. But all, through all those days, like, they're banging every 30 minutes is what we hear. Like, they were giving us all of these little. It should have been brought up.

They were giving us all these crumbs. And it was, like, that's a really big crumb. And it's also, like, Navy technology, not just, like, big crumb and it's also like navy technology not just like ocean like it's pretty legit and even if it winds up not being what we think it is like they were sharing every little fart they heard in the ocean and you heard something that you think like very well could be an implosion that's something that at least the family should have known the families yeah yeah yeah but also but also the public because you were telling us everything yeah do you see that Netflix is now adding Titanic back to the platform starting July 1st I did and obviously that's you know an opportunistic decision but I think I saw people

online like really mad at Netflix like saying it's so insensitive and like I don't like really disagree. I don't oh you don't just you think it's really insensitive. Yeah I mean maybe it's just like a sheer coincidence like a few times a year a ton of shit gets taken on and a ton of shit gets taken off like every month yeah Yeah. It could be like a complete coincidence and like it got made into a news story obviously just because of what happened. But. Let's operate that it's not a coincidence even though it might be. Let's like what are your thoughts if it's not a coincidence?

It's just like my overall thoughts on this thing. It's like yeah everyone's so invested and people are like making jokes about it and like some of them are funny but like at the end of the day like five people died like innocent people like who were just you know trying to have some fun even though we think it's crazy like they were just like trying to have fun and they died and like one of them is a child so I don't know I don't know like because where internet culture gets so you just like forget when you're like so deep on the internet. That, like, this is, like, a real thing that happened to real people.

So, like, I understand, like, the tweets and the memes. Like, I think some of them are funny. Like, I do. I don't know. It's just, like, every time I'm talking about this immersive, like, after 30 minutes, I'm like, wait, this is wrong. Like, I can't explain it. No, I understand. But I also, I don't think that Netflix putting Titanic on the platform

like it is a little opportunistic and they know that people are really interested in the Titanic right now but I don't think it's that offensive one you know I think if you actually take the time to watch the movie like you'll come away from it being like oh shit like that is like a mass grave like a lot of people lost their lives like you know maybe you'll stop for a second it's not just like a joke yeah you know um because even if they had put you know a titanic documentary up a lot of people are interested in the titanic right now like i don't think i don't think that's right i really don't think that's so bad compared to some of the other awful takes i've seen but no if people want to learn about the titanic and also like this thing that all those people essentially died for. Obsessed with. You know and so it's like but then also more people are going to become obsessed. So true. Because it's a magnet.

It's a magnet. It's trouble. But we were just saying how you and Ben should watch Titanic. You've never seen it and it's obviously a topic of conversation. Netflix is just catering to that. Yeah I guess like honestly when you explain it that way it's like no it's not so bad. catering to that yeah I guess like honestly when you explain it that way it's like no it's not so bad and it's an amazing movie that they worked so hard on that should be seen by more people I you know what I agree like I don't know how much of Gen Z has seen Titanic they weren't alive when it came out no I agree and it's a true story well it's historical fiction Jack and Rose were not real but there's a lot of really true elements and at the end of the day it's a good take like the lesson that we learned from the Titanic which

was not learned in this case of the submersible and literally James Cameron said that which was that like they rushed um measures and they cut corners in order to you know do this really cool new thing and that's exactly what happened with the ship itself. Oh my God, that's so true. Huh. Because they wanted to like break the record for the fastest crossing because it was going so well. And it was a moonless night

and they hit an iceberg. And if they had been a little slower, they might've seen it. If they'd been using, they didn't have binoculars on board. Well, that's dumb. Yeah, but in the book I read, it was like, yeah, that sounds dumb. Yeah but I in the book I read it was like yeah that sounds dumb

but that was actually like pretty common. Yeah yeah yeah there was like got it. They had a decent it wasn't like they just forgot them. Right I mean that would be crazy. Yeah but they were going really fast and there was they couldn't see anything because it was moonless. Right what's moon like the moon was behind the clouds? Yeah or like if it's like a small moon. Sliver. Sliver. Interesting. But if it's a full moon, you can see more.

Yeah. Maritime tings. Maritime tings. You can see more before Turdy goes overboard. Turdy Lou is definitely going overboard. That's for sure. That's for damn. That's for damn sure. So are you ready for our next story?

No, I haven't been able to stop thinking about anything but the chili since you brought it up. I know. It's such a chili day, and you usually don't get a chili day in June. In the summer, yeah. Maybe you want to fire off a text to Ben or just place an Instacart order?

I'll do it after. It's still early. It's not even 10.30. I can wait. That's true. But I would love an afternoon chili because I don't want to you know have it for late dinner and just you know heft up plus the heartburn would be horrible for me but it'll be worth it for Ben's chili oh yeah but no I just can't go to sleep soon thereafter or I'll wake up in pain our next story a little nuptial news Jon Jon Hamm marries his fiancée Anna Osceola, where they film the Mad Men finale. So this story is really interesting.

It's very Mad Men filled. It is, because Jon Hamm married his girlfriend's fiancée. Hamm? Is that what I said? Jon Hamm. Jon Hamm. Yeah, you just keep him kind of like a British. That's how he pronounces it. Yeah.

And they got married in Big Sur California now his now wife Anna was on an episode of Mad Men that was filmed in Big Sur California but she was like an extra she was a receptionist at that facility he went to right and her name was Clementine they then. He was with a longtime partner. I don't know what happened between them, if anything happened. That was filmed in 2015. And then Jon Hamm didn't split from his partner until a few years ago. I had no idea that Jon Hamm had a girlfriend, had a fiance.

If you would have asked me, I either would have said he's single or he's been married 100 years. Like, he's not, he's not, like, like, very public with his relationships. I feel like he doesn't even have social media. He was previously in a long-term relationship with actress and screenwriter Jennifer Westfeld from 1997 to 2015. And then 2015 is when they filmed.

Well, something. Turdy Lou, are you understanding? Oh, Jennifer Westfeld.feld yeah i know this bitch she um is from one of my least favorite movies she's from younger yes she plays peter herman's ex-wife but it was 2015 they split up and it was 2015 that they filmed yeah i thought there was like oh he met her he went home to his wife and then they reconnected years later I believe I feel like she's also from he's just not that into you maybe not um yeah there's definitely something there's a timeline overlap something that's just like so crazy that really an extra could catch his eye like that.

Yeah I mean this girly is giving extras everywhere like hope. It's really beautiful and it's cute that they got married in the place that they met. I kind of feel like it's a coincidence. I think it is too. I think Big Sur is like a you know a destination. A popular destination. People from California. It's definitely a coincidence and actually I don't know. I don't now I don't know. Wait the the actual scene that they filmed together was in Big Sur yeah it's no it's got to mean something yeah and now that I realize like it was 2015 that they met and it was 2015 that he left Jennifer like it was Big Sur that brought them together yeah no definitely like this is like a shady like overlap like time lap time you know what it's giving like Don Draper and Megan yes it is yeah and like Jennifer is Betty

Jennifer is Betty like part of me like always wanted Betty and Don Draper to get back together even though like they were so he was so toxic and like she was so much happier with like her new man in her big house like political king like I loved how it ended for both of them but like I did ship not how it ended well why how did it end spoiler alert I think Betty died what she had cancer wait I need to google this hold on let me google it What? She had cancer. Wait. I need to Google this.

Hold on. Let me Google it. Wait. Why do I not remember her dying? Do you remember her having cancer? Kind of. Yeah. And, you know, the last few episodes of, like, any show are just kind of like a hodgepodge.

And you don't really remember the details. You remember the show as it was. And, like you know, the last few episodes of like any show are just kind of like a hodgepodge. And you don't really remember the details. You remember the show as it was. And like the storylines. Not really the ending so much. Like how did it even end for Don? I mean, it's like, yeah, it's like one of the like most like debated endings in TV history. Right. But like even in the few episodes before the ending, like he was like in a diner. What was he doing? He was struggling he went to rehab

yeah see towards the end it's just like yeah it's all a blur yeah well this ending is happy for john ham i'm happy for him i'm happy for him too are you ready those pictures of him in the gray sweatpants yeah that. That's what I think about when I think about Jon Hamm. Oh it's not what I think about. I really think about Don Draper and then my second thought is like Jon Hamm is actually like a clown and so unlike Don Draper and not a clown in a negative way. Like he's so silly and unserious. Goofy. Actually what I think about a lot when I think of Jon Hamm which is pertinent is his role in 30 Rock and Tina Fey was at the wedding yeah uh he plays the reverend no in um no Kimmy Schmidt oh oh yeah oh they are really tight

because she did Kimmy Schmidt too but I think of him as her neighbor who she becomes obsessed with and then dates yeah but he like is too good looking and he doesn't have the he doesn't live in the real world he doesn't suffer from the perils of being average looking right right that was such a funny episode yeah okay let's get into our next story i want to get your take taylor swift apparently rejected megan markel's invitation to appear on her now canceled podcast which isn't a crazy story until you learn what happened actually. Like Megan wrote a handwritten personal letter to Taylor like really like passionate about how she wanted Taylor on her show and Taylor's representative said no. Like it didn't even get a response from Taylor. Yeah so Megan reportedly penned a personal note to Taylor asking the pop star to be a guest on

Archetypes only to be shut down. Taylor rejected the invitation according to the Wall Street Journal and didn't even bother responding herself instead having a rep decline on her behalf in what could be seen as a diss to the Duchess. So I have a lot of thoughts on this. My first thought, which is actually not my lasting thought, but my initial thought was like she was dating Joe at the time. I thought the same. Like the entire time that Megan's been like with Harry, Taylor's been with Joe. And like if Joe is a royalist. Like a monarchist.

Right. Then maybe he influenced Taylor to like have negative thoughts about what Megan and Harry did. Jackie, I literally thought the same thing. But then I was like, okay, that's like kind of pie in the sky but now that I think about it like and we know what Megan's show was it's all about like labels and kind of like having her guests like break down their walls and like talk about these things that people call them and like that which is like an insecurity for them um it's a vulnerable it's a vulnerable space and I just don't feel like Taylor is gonna go and bear all on a podcast and Meghan Markle's

at that and there's so few moments in time where Taylor does interviews she's obviously when she's like promoting an album so it's entirely possible that when this request came in Taylor was Taylor like pretty much never does press unless it's like the weeks leading up to an album release and then she'll do like Zane Lowe and a bunch of different like GMA talking about the music though but like to just sit and talk about herself in such a raw conversation like I just feel like and she doesn't know Megan and Megan and I feel like Megan's show it's not what I would think of as like really having like genuine conversation it was very like scripted and it's just like not where you're gonna go and really bury your soul like yeah and I feel like

that's what she would have wanted from Taylor and I agree with you maybe like Taylor just said no because she was like not in press mode but why not respond to the personal letter yeah no that part feels like a slight the Morgan ladders The Morgan Ladders went unresponded to. The Markle Ladders. I don't know what it means. It's also entirely possible that, like, she just gets so many requests. Like, this one's not particularly special. Like, yeah, she's a duchess, sure.

But, like, I'm sure Oprah wants to interview Taylor. Like, I'm sure she gets the best of the best. Yeah, I'm sure that she does. And if she was going to do that sort of interview would be with someone who has like a more established platform audience of having really like personal conversations that are well received not I'm not gonna like you know give you my heart and soul for the first season of your podcast that you're trying to make fetch happen so all like random tangent but you should you know, Kelly went on Howard Stern.

I saw a clip. I've seen a few clips. You should watch the whole thing. I think they get like real, real deep. She also did like a great interview with Andy. She's being like so open. Andy was like, I'm so mad about how much money you have to pay your ex-husband. She's like, you're mad?

Damn, Kelly. Like she's being savage. And Andy like, like you know Andy's so like gossipy he really brought it out like the Howard Stern interview was like you know a lot of um I think maybe this was her first time on Howard Stern so it was like her whole career you know obviously divorce but also like break away like talking about everything more more at a glance whereas Andy obviously keeps up with pop culture and he's talking about like what's going on right now yeah no I've seen she's been making the rounds and I've seen some clips but I haven't I haven't dove in you should she's so funny and you know what you know what I love about Kelly like what I've noticed just from watching she doesn't I feel

like up until this album release like she hasn't she doesn't like do interviews a lot she's more of an interviewer yeah so I'm learning a lot about her and like nobody makes Kelly laugh more than Kelly. Like she's always answering questions and just cackling. And I love that. Like she makes herself cackle. It's so, that's so me. That's so me too.

Yeah, no, she's like, she's literally answering a question and she's like keeled over. Like she can't stop laughing at her own response. That's so funny. I love that about her um that's really cute I also haven't listened to the whole album yet so that's why I'm not like ready to hear her talk about like I want to experience it and I've only got like the first

three songs or something okay like I just haven't been in a music space maybe tomorrow like while I do my makeup because I'm coming to the studio Jackson studio't wait. Are you ready for our next story? Yes. Our next two stories actually fourth and fifth are both some book news. Fourth being that what's her face Colleen Hoover. What's her face? Sorry it says it ends with us author. I'm like no. What's her name? Yeah. Colleen Hoover addresses. Sorry, Colleen. I'm just, you know, pregnancy- No disrespect. But it is such a disrespectful thing to say, what's her name?

It's literally the most disgusting thing you could say. Like, what's her name? Like, tell me you care less about someone than calling her what's her name. I care. No, I'm not talking about you. I'm saying just like, what's her name? Like, that whole thing in general. But I just meant like, you know, what's her name i care no i'm not talking about you i'm saying just like what's her name like that whole thing in general but i just meant like you know what's her name uh pregnancy brain sorry colleen yeah it's fine it's fine colleen hoover addresses controversy surrounding the casting of blake lively and justin baldoni so at book bonanza colleen hoover um spoke

about the upcoming movie adaptation of it Ends With Us and addressed some of the controversy surrounding the film and actually some of it what she said was straight facts. So since announcing that Blake and Justin will play Lily and Ryle in the film Colleen has faced backlash because of the significant age discrepancies between the actors and their characters. Blake is 35 while Lily was 23 and Justin is 39 while Ryle is 30. Now five months. Not so bad. Not so bad but the the Blake Lively one for sure. Five months after their casting Hoover has an explanation for the age gap. She said back when I wrote It Ends With Us the new adult genre was very popular. You were writing college age characters. That's what I was contracted to do. Then she said, I didn't know that neurosurgeons went to school for 50 years.

There's not a 20-something-year-old neurosurgeon. So true. She viewed the adaptation as an opportunity to remedy her error. She said, I started making this movie. I'm like, we need to age them out because I messed up. So that's my fault. So she made the characters age appropriate to the story because otherwise people who like never read the book would be like okay this 29 year old

neurosurgeon can't be a neurosurgeon yeah yeah I feel that and it's probably I feel that too and she's not going to do it twice no no that I understand but then also she talks about the clothes but first she said that she she is so happy with the cast, especially Blake Lively, who she's been obsessed with since Gossip Girl. Then she said people are upset about the outfits and whatnot. Her advice is simply to wait until the film hits theaters. She said she loves the costuming conversations that set photos from the film have generated.

And she has a message for her fans. You've seen a couple of outfits that are completely out of context I'm not worried about it okay oh okay because like you know we only saw her outside and it's very possible like when she's outside she just grabbed her shit and ran because her husband is crazy like maybe that's what we were seeing maybe and she said I don't remember describing outfits at all like in the book I don't care what they have on in my head it's about the conversation they're having in the story which I agree about a book but like a movie is a very visual experience and like outfits maketh characters no when people describe like what they're wearing or how they look in a book it goes in one ear and out the other like they

will tell me that this character they will tell me that this character is blonde like a thousand times in my mind she has red hair like I just I it doesn't stick with me like visual descriptions are irrelevant but this is a movie no I know and that's so funny because when we do redheads episodes sometimes the Hollywood treatment like we choose different hair colors and we're like wait she was a brunette and you're just like I didn't see it like that no it doesn't matter like one of my favorite books is One True Loves by Taylor Jenkins Reid and like the main character has a pixie. And when I tell you I read that and like threw it out. Like it was irrelevant because she was like a cute little blonde girl with like hair down to her ankles. Like it literally, it doesn't matter.

Yeah, I agree. So that does give me like a little more hope for the movie. Yeah, no. I mean the first thing makes sense. That doesn't make it better, but it makes sense. The second thing is actually like that's facts. Like we literally saw three outfits. How many many outfits the movie takes course over the like I think like a few years yeah but also now we're it's a little bit confusing on the other end

because I feel like so much of the story is about like Lily being young and a little naive and like caught up yes this relationship but if she's 35 like she has years she should have like be a little more more yeah um no that's fair experience and and you know what were her other relationships like in the in the 20 years since atlas right because the better that's true because like in the book she um she's like literally for on her own for first time. And like that makes her so much more vulnerable and susceptible to like a powerful rich man who's older than her. Who's like saying all the right things

and she's not like, you know, looking out. And sure, so she just runs away and gets married. Like it's not crazy because she's, you know, with someone who gets it. Yeah. No, that's true. So we'll see how Colleen figures that one out. How Colleen sees it. Yeah. No that's true. So we'll see how Colleen figures that one out. How Colleen sees it. And then our fifth and final story is brought to you by BetterHelp. So thank you BetterHelp for

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Thank you, BetterHelp, for sponsoring today's episode. Thank you, Claudia. Our fifth and final story is a little more author news. Ellen Hildebrand is on her book tour for her new book, and she's sharing what's next in her career. She said she's kind of, like, done with writing about Nantucket. Yeah, she, I saw, she was on what, like, GMA or something, or the Today Show? CBS This Morning.

Oh, wow, okay. she was on what like gma or something or the tvs this morning oh wow okay and she um she basically was like i mean nantucket's really small like i've literally written about like every place every corner like i might have to move no i know but i just thought since she's written so many books about a place that's so small it's like then she could write so many more because i feel like there would only be like three or four books right but she but she's literally written 30. So what's 40? I do love, I mean, it's obviously like a privileged position to be in, to be able to go out on top and decide I'm done. Well, so she talks about the next step for her or the next thing she's going to do,

which is actually really funny because it's exactly what we were just talking about. She has a podcast coming out. It's called Beach Books and something, and they have like authors on. And it's giving Carrie Bradshaw, like wrote all these books now as a podcast coming out. It's called like Beach Books and something. And they have like authors on. And it's giving Carrie Bradshaw like wrote all these books now as a podcast. But also what I found really interesting is that she's co-authoring a book with her daughter about two books about like a New England boarding school, which sounds so good.

That does sound so good. And you know what's so funny? Ellen Hildebrandt. I feel like somebody said this. It might have been me, but it might have been someone else that Ellen Hildebrand is the Nancy Myers of writing yes oh I didn't say that okay no because I did a Q&A like taking book suggestions recommendations and someone was like what's a book that gives like Nancy Myers vibes and I was like Golden Girl by Ellen Hildebrand and now that I think about it Ellen Hildebrand is the Nancy

Myers of books facts okay like I resonated with that so much I actually felt that I think about it Ellen Hildebrand is the Nancy Myers of books facts okay like I resonated with that so much I actually thought that I said it um you ever have that feeling where like it's so true like I made it up yeah no totally or it's like it's even nicer that you thought like maybe you saw it on TikTok and it's just like this viral thought yeah that we all agree with but Nancy Myers works a lot with her daughter on like projects I feel like we were just talking about that and Ellen's doing the same yeah no so that's a really cool position to be in and I feel like her daughter maybe her daughter went to a New England boarding school so she can give her mom like the facts and like yeah the actual logistics and then her mom can write like a great story but Ellen Hildebrandt also writes a lot lot of stories set in the Virgin Islands.

That's like the other place that she. Really? Frequents a lot. Yeah. Like if you. I read her Winter in Paradise series which I didn't really like. But it was three books all set in like Virgin Gorda. Oh my God.

I love the Virgin Islands. It's like one of my favorite places. You should read the Paradise series. Yeah. I've been to Virgin Gorda. And there's three and they're really like quick and short and cute. But so she's done

a lot of like stuff there too. Interesting. Yeah. But I mean she's a queen. She could do whatever she wants

and if she wants to compete with the redheads like come at me bro with her podcast. Just like you said there's space for everyone.

There's definitely space for Ellen. But literally, it's so funny because I was trying to think at the beginning of the show of like a writer who then like now does a podcast. And who's like getting older. Yeah, Ellen Hildebrand. Except like she's definitely going to keep writing. And she should. And her books aren't getting worse.

They're getting better. They're getting better. Well, she just came out with a new book. So she's doing like a press for it, which is why she was on CBS Morning. It's called like the Five Star Weekend or something. Great. I mean, her most recent book was... Hotel Nantucket.

Yeah, I like that one. It was a little spooky. Five Keys. Five Keys. Yeah, that's what it was reminding me of. And before that was Golden Girl, which was so good. Golden Girl. I have made everyone in the book club read it because everyone

loves Ellen Hildebrand but I feel like that wasn't one of hers that like popped off. So most of them hadn't read it and oh my god everyone's obsessed with Golden Girl and if you like it's just I just love that book. I love it too and like everything she does she really never flops even her books that I'm like aren't my favorite still I'm recommending it to you the Paradise series totally because I think you would really like it it was just what wasn't for me I was gonna say something I keep trying to say it and before that was like 28 summers also good which had everyone in a chokehold yeah it was very good yeah and then also her show is beat her book is being made into a show so she's like booked and busy that's what I was saying is that which one is being made 20 the perfect couple so she obviously like is making a lot of money Netflix just announced the cast it's like Nicole Kidman

Megan Fahey Dakota John Dakota Fanning like it's star-studded Ellen's fine no Ellen is fine and she is busy it's not just a once a week podcast she's working on. No, she's booked and busy. Yeah. And if you ever want to meet her, I think you just have to go to Nantucket and like walk the streets for five minutes and she's there. Like she's a Nantucket celebrity. Yeah, that's what Snitch and her friends did. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

They met Ellen. Yeah. But they also took that trip because of Hotel Nantucket. I also, when I saw what Ellen Hildebrandt looked like it's so funny when you read books and you become familiar with someone and then like you see what they look like I would have imagined Ellen Hildebrandt to look like Nancy Meyers like coastal grandmother but she's like very sexy have you seen her she's like hot yeah yeah but to me she looks like what you think like it's all congruous with her books.

Most of the time, I'll, like, read a book or an author, and then I, like, see the author, and I'm like, oh, my God, that's not what I expected. No, no. When, like, the author page comes up, I swipe so fast. Like, I don't want to know what an author looks like. I feel like it really fucks with me. It really does.

For me, it's hard because when we do redheads, I, like like tag the author so I have to find their Instagram and I like to follow every author that we have read cute and then I and then I see the author you know and it just like it gets in your brain and you need to have like a totally unbiased like clean slate approach when you're reading a new book yeah especially in like the smut category. Oh, yeah. Knowing, you know, someone has kids and they wrote, like it's just, I don't want to know that much.

I want it like to be anonymous. I completely agree. Yeah, we need to go back to like pen names. Yes, anonymity. Yeah, but I mean, if you want to put it out there, put it out there. Put it in the book. Literally.

Well, those were great stories, Jax. Thanks. Yeah, they were fun. And I love a little book news. Plus, those are like the two queens of the writing world right now. Yeah. All right. Well, I believe that's all she wrote, correct?

That's all we got for you. Tomorrow, I'll be back in studio, which I'm really excited about. Wednesday we have... GBT. GBT is making her return. Thursday you're in studio with me again. And then Friday remote, because it's Friday. It's like a summer Friday. And it's like the biggest holiday weekend of all, because it's like five days. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because we won't be back on the podcast until Wednesday because of July 4th.

Yeah, because July 4th falls on a Tuesday. So you can really extend. Oh, you're going away. Yeah. Fun. But not until Sunday. Oh, cool. That's what you get when you have a really long weekend.

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