The Toast - Rachael Kirkael: Wednesday, January 29th, 2025

Episode Date: January 29, 2025

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Good morning millennials. Welcome back to the toast and happy Wednesday. It is hump day. Don't forget to hump someone you love and speaking of somebody I love. Hello, Jackie, how are you? I'm good. First hump day in the Parji new studio, PNS.

Should we hump the new furniture like you had suggested? Yeah, I think we should christen it. It deserves a christening. Right, it's a christening of sorts. Are you first? Oh, oh goodness. Let me put out my favorite song, it's a christening of sorts. Are you first? Oh, oh goodness no. Let me put out my favorite song, Fat Juicy Wet by Bruno Mars.

No, unfortunately, as much as I want to, I can't hump the furniture because I don't wanna take the auto focus on the new camera off of my face. Right, sure, excuses, excuses. Yeah, I wouldn't want to disturb the new technology. So unfortunately, I can't hump publicly, though you guys know how that thrills me. new technology. So unfortunately I can't hump publicly, though you guys know how that thrills me.

Without technology. Without technology. Shout out to the camera and the counselor. One of the best children's books ever written, and I'm not just saying that because I wrote it, but it comes back into the rotation, like every once in a while, you know how we cycle through books,

and every single time I'm like, this is fire flames and it will bring a tear to the eye. I didn't write it. And I also think it's one of the greatest children's books ever written. Although you guys know how I feel about children's book. Looking at them with a fresh adult eye, a lot of them don't stand the test of time.

Like a lot of them are pieces of shit teaching our children like poor values. No, teaching our children to dull their shine. That's a common theme. Correct the rainbow fish. Rainbow fish. Correct. But also like pout pout fish. I didn't like pout pout fish vibe either,

which is actually crazy because it was recommended to me by Dana and we're aligned on everything in this world, but like phibis and epunam, should it be called? And it really makes you think like, what are we teaching our children? Which is why it's so important to just plop your kids in front of the TV and make them watch the toast.

If you want them to grow into adults who are cool and funny, you know? It's really important to just plop your kids in front of the TV and make them watch the toast. If you want them to grow into adults who are cool and funny, you know? It's really so true. Also a lot of toasters who have had babies like since I've published my book. So it's been like a year and a half. So a year and a half worth of little toasters, they have now come to the book.

They're like, oh, I bought it. Cause like we were buying children's books and they're like, it's so good for so, for so many people, it's like their first time reading it when they do have their child. And I love hearing from everyone. Never get. Yeah, we're kind of like we're kind of like two published authors. A lot of people don't know that either. I feel like as much as we can make mention of it, we do.

You know, it's worth it's worth mentioning. Yeah, we are two published authors, which is like so low key. We are always like bragging about our beauty and our wits and our charms. Yeah, we are two published authors, which is like so low key. We are always like bragging about our beauty and our wits and our charms, but not so much about our literary accomplishments. I feel like I really don't talk about my beauty or my charm, like as often as I should, given how much beauty and charm I have. You don't think at the end of every episode when you encourage people to say that we're

beautiful, stunning and wickedly talented, that that's that. That's what you know kids these days call affirmations. Like this is me in the morning in the mirror every morning. I am beautiful, I am stunning, I am wickedly talented. I'm beautiful, I'm stunning, I'm wickedly talented. And let me tell you that shit works. I was watching the Rachel Kirkconnell interview on Call Her Daddy last night and she said something like two times about being like beautiful, smart and blank. And I was like, oh, it's giving toast. To be honest, I had heard once that she was a toaster. Yeah, I think she told me that.

That doesn't feel incongruous. She came to the spritz party and that yeah, she did say that when she came to the spritz launch party and we were like, what us? Yeah, I don't know if she like still keeps up every day. And we are gonna talk about her interview on Call Her Daddy. There's actually a lot to talk about today. I watched Real Housewives of Beverly Hills last night. Well, actually I watched it this morning, as did you.

Rachel, you're saying Kirk-o-nel, Kirk-o-nel. You know what? I'm just gonna try a bunch of different stuff. And we'll probably settle on Rach. But I still don't have a grasp. Alex was pronouncing it different than Kirkconnell. I think she was saying Kirkconnell yesterday. So I'll go with that.

I say Kirkconnell and I just feel like it's right. Yeah. I don't know how we all got so confused. It's not really a confusing name. It's kind of like a very normal name. It's giving Irish like. You know what I think it is? I think it's the extra A in her name that's preemptively throwing you off from pronouncing.

Richael Kirkanal. A thousand percent. I think that A. Cause now you're looking at letters differently when you're reading her name. It's true. You start to second guess yourself. You're like, are things pronounced

and spelled the way I think? No. We're both first of all, wearing white pants, which is just crazy for both of us. I guess neither of us are on our periods. But you are also wearing my pants. And I think we should talk about the thievery that occurred. Yeah, so when you came in December,

you had sent a bunch of stuff to the house, some new clothes, and I opened all your packages and put it away in your new wardrobe. And when I was doing that, I had my eye on some things. Now, of course I would never like preemptively swipe, but they went into your closet, you wore them while you were here, and I couldn't stop thinking about these pants.

So I went and I took them, and what I like about these pants is in person, they look really bad on me. Like if we're one-to-one, like you could see the outline of the pockets, I think you could see my underwear is too dark. Like really, they look terrible, they're too long, they make my hips look like, they look like shit.

But I think they're perfect for the show. Yeah, I wouldn't say that they're like the most flattering pants I ever bought, which is why I like, didn't give you a hard time when I saw you were like rifling through my things. But they're pants, you know, sometimes you just need pants. It's true. And the other day I wore them with a body suit,

which actually kind of solved a lot of those issues I was talking about. But today, the way I'm wearing them with a body suit, which actually kind of solved a lot of those issues I was talking about. But today, the way I'm wearing them, they look terrible in person, but I think with our new chairs, it's actually kind of perfect, hopefully. So yes, first hump day, first Real Housewives of Beverly Hills recap.

A lot of firsts happening on this beautiful Wednesday in our gargy pargy new studios. As always, this is week one, a work in progress. Tweaks are still being made. I love that we have so many audio and video technicians who listen to our show. And suddenly everyone's a critic, you know? But we, you know, we're making updates every day. I've had some more soundproofing done.

So just to know, like we, we know, like there's still things to be done. Like you have to shut down our faces. We are getting there. We did a major troubleshooting session yesterday and this morning ran multiple tests. Yeah. Scores 1,600. and like you have to shove it down our faces. We are getting there. We did a major troubleshooting session yesterday and this morning ran multiple tests. Yeah.

Scored 1600. The tests were being taken. Yeah, it's getting standardized. Scored 1600 out of 2400. So we'll see how today, every day is just kind of, like a little bit of a test run. We don't have the luxury of doing a weekly podcast. We can work out all these kinks in a week.

We have to work them out in a matter of hours. And so it'll be a couple more days before I think we really hit everything perfectly and we'll be in an artificial new groove, but I already feel like, you know, vast improvements have been made and I appreciate all the positive feedback and yeah. Me as well, me as well. Me as well.

Retweet, sis. Oh, huge things. So many different ways to say me as well. So many huge things happening for me yesterday. I saw Miss Manny's. Oh, yes, of course. Ben and I attended like, you know, in this line of work, we attend a lot of fabulous events, trips to the Cape Clambakes, things of that nature.

And most of the time, it's like geared towards me. You know, it's like beauty events and like fashion. No, this event was designed for Ben and he was literally taking notes. He wants to, so Hellman's Mayonnaise had like a big party to celebrate their new Super Bowl commercial, which I'm like, I don't know if it's out yet. So I'll just spoil it.

Actually, we have a story about Super Bowl commercials. So if you have something to say, put it in the book. Whatever, Ben was having the time of his life. Like seriously, there was so much free food and it was like, is that Katz's deli? Like famous Jewish style deli. So Ben was just going- And kosher meat. It's not kosher.

No. But he ate a hot dog. Yeah. Ben just sort of like, Ben had said, actually we had a disagreement about this on the way home. He was like, I feel like having non kosher meat at a place like that like is fine. Like it's basically kosher. I understand what he's saying, but I just want to say, I feel like the hot dog is probably kosher because even- It's not, okay, so we literally met the owner. So Ben ate the hot dog

and we just assumed it was Hebrew national. Like even in like any place, who eats anything other than a Hebrew national? We like, as people who are kosher, we are always eating hot dogs because everyone uses, unless you're making your own. And so Ben was eating the hot dogs, he thought it was totally safe. And then we met the owner who was so nice

and Ben like had so many questions for him. Ben wanted to get pickle spritz. Oh my God, that's a good idea. Which is a great idea. And I was asking him like, you know, and he must get this question all the time because he's like a Jewish guy about like kosher. And he was like, no, I know everyone sounds it.

It's kind of a Shonda. So it's a kosher style deli, although the meat is not kosher. So that was Ben's, like an opening for him. Cause like I already ate the hot dogs and he ate them in earnest. He thought that they were kosher. So, you know, Ben just then sort of like

threw religion to the wind and had a pastrami sandwich. And he said it was the best pastrami sandwich he had ever had in his life. Can I ask what's kosher style if nothing about it is kosher? Yeah, like it has Jewish roots. Oh, okay, cool. So nothing about it is kosher.

It's a common misconception. A lot of people assume the famous cats is daily on the Lower East Side in New York is kosher. It's not, it's kosher style, which it means nothing. Okay. It just means the owners are Jewish. I thought kosher style meant the meat is kosher, but the preparation, it's not dairy and meat.

Like pastrami queen is kosher meat, unkosher kitchen. Pargy. And actually I think the kitchen is kosher, pastrami queen just doesn't close on Jabbas. Oh right. So they can't be officially, but a lot of religious Jews I know would still eat pastrami queen, like it's kosher.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, I guess like don't ask questions you don't want the answers to. That's why I never ask if the French onion soup uses beef broth at any restaurant. Well, once you get into the weeds. I don't wanna know, I just want a French onion soup. What are you, like Carmen Sandiego,

investigating things instead of your business? Yeah, so he shouldn't have asked once he already ate it. Yeah, and then afterwards I went to a halabay, kind of like a very Jewish evening for my friend Alicia who's getting married and like they had a microphone. They were like, if anybody wants to say anything, it was like all the girls together.

And then like people started like getting up and I was like, oh my God, I've like known her, I'm like one of the people who's known her here the longest. Like I didn't prepare remarks. So just sort of like winged it. I feel like people really do expect you to speak in situations like that because like you're the public speaker.

I'm the personality hire, you know? Yeah. And so, and this happens to be one of my oldest friends. So I'm like, you know what? I just sort of like threw caution to the wind. I was like, fuck it, you know? And I literally, I gave such a, I think, and my friend, best friend, Alicia, who's wedding,

I mean, whose bridal shower was, her mom's a toaster, she listens every day. So she'll give me feedback. I think Esther, the mom would also corroborate, like it was probably one of the best speeches ever given. Like I kind of loved doing it. You know, you think so much when you have like a paper in front of you and you just want to get the words right

where I was just really speaking from the heart. Oh, and I just made so many funny jokes, like joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke. And it was the first time I've ever really like spoken off the heart. Oh, and I just made so many funny jokes, like joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke. And it was the first time I've ever really like spoken off the cuff. Yeah. I kind of have a talent for it. The Turteesburg Address.

The Turteesburg Address, yes, thank you. You wanna know something so funny, you know one of my favorite scenes in any movie is that scene from the wedding ringer when they go to a wedding, Kevin Hart and Josh Gad, and the groomsman rips up his speech. You know how some people do that? It's like a, you know what, I'm going off book.

Like, I don't really care about these words. That's like my favorite scene. And then he gets like so flustered, he starts quoting Hitler. Do you know who the actor is in that scene? Who plays the groomsman? Yeah, or the groom, I forgot which one. Let me think.

It's so close to home, Claudia. It's so close to home? Yeah, it's so close to home. Are you ready? Josh Peck. You're fucking kidding me. You have to watch it. You are fucking kidding me.

You have to watch it. Have you seen that movie? Have you spoken to Josh about that? No, I just remembered it right now because the last time I told this story about like that's my favorite scene when the groom rips up the speech, people were like, that's Josh Peck.

And I didn't realize because at the time that I watched it, like they weren't the good guys yet. They were the bad guys. They were the bad guys. Oh my God, no, I did not know that that's the crazy thing about Josh. It's like he's Ben's best friend. They were the bad guys. They were the bad guys. Oh my God, no, I did not know that. That's the crazy thing about Josh is like, he's Ben's best friend.

He obviously also has this like weird former life of being like a huge Disney star, but he's also like a very successful actor. Like when I was watching the Mindy project, one of the girls in, who's like a nurse, she's like a receptionist. She has a boyfriend who she's like always referencing. And like one episode, we finally meet him.

And he's like, he's like a crack head. And it's Josh. It was seriously, it's so crazy. Should we go to his RYNDY? I think we would be genuine. And he's in a new movie with Diane Keaton all about summer camp. Okay.

He was telling me about it. I think it came out. I think we should watch it. Josh Peck movies and TV shows. Like this is what we would do for anyone. So we should not do it just cause we know. Obviously Oppenheimer comes to mind. Snow day.

Do you remember that movie from when we were kids? Of course I do. Max Keeble's big move. Oh my God, he is on the poster. Not Max Keeble. Max Keeble, he's one of three on the poster. That is so crazy. We should know all this.

I know, no, but there's just so many things. Ice age. Oh, he's so crazy. I know. No, but there's just so many things. Ice age. Oh, is that ice age money? Okay. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Why did you do that? I didn't know we were doing ice age.

Wow, good for him. I mean, a million other things, but those are the ones that are like part of our DNA, except for ice age. And the crazy thing is, is that I don't even know if like Josh knows how growing up, like nobody was a bigger fan of Josh Peck than Ben Soffer. I think sometimes Ben like will be in the shower,

like pinch himself that he's best friends with Josh Peck. Like Ben was really shaped by that show. And I think as like a heavier kid, he really saw himself in Josh. And if you were to like sit down in therapy and like talk to Ben about like his influences, like he would, it would be Josh from himself in Josh. And if you were to like sit down in therapy and like talk to Ben about like his influences, like he would, it would be Josh from Jake and Josh. And the fact that that's his best friend,

like Ben has seriously girlbossed so close to the sun. No, it's true. That would be like me hosting a podcast with Miley Cyrus. Miley. Yeah. Yeah. And you hosting a podcast with Joe Jonas. Which honestly, like, I don't feel like is the craziest thing ever.

No, podcasts like that come about, I mean, look at good guys, but like, you know, where the influencer and the A-list celebrity come together and make magic. It's so true. What would me and Joe's podcast be called? Camp Turd? Turd Rock? Turd Rock.

Probably, right? Yeah. That's the one. Yeah. That's the one. Yeah. What would your and Hannah's be called? Best of both worlds. Oh my God, like perfect.

Sorry, Snitch, we need the trademark. 1000%. I think Hannah probably owns the trademark. Where's Snitch? Have you seen her recently? Who is Snitch in this world? Do we know someone named Snitch? Our sister's at Gilmargo.

She's out skiing, I think. Club chatting. Yeah, have you seen her recently? I haven't, and like skiing is like something we do, you know, as a family. We go every year. We didn't go this past year, and so obviously she's like mad at us about it,

so she's decided to like recreate our trip. She texted me yesterday like, I'm at the vintage room, which is like where her, Ben and I like always did and like did apres ski. And I'm like, oh, cool. She's like sending pictures of our favorite runs to do. She's like, it's different.

Yeah, like just Utah spots. I'm like, yeah, okay. But you're not with your family who loves you. Right, it should hit poorly. It's not. According to her story, it's not hitting poorly. It's really upsetting. Like when you come to the realization

that like life goes on without you. No, it's so true. But I feel like really upsetting when you come to the realization that life goes on without you. No, it's so true. But I feel like she had to have come to that realization because we're all kind of just like sad. What is she gonna do? She needed to move on from us. Yeah. It's just sad.

Well, at least we have each other. And our party new studio. And our PNS. Yeah, this is so important to like, just be grateful, you know, for what you do have. It's true. It's true. We miss you so much if you ever hear this. And what we do have is five amazing stories. The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills recap. We have to get into the stories because like most of my evening was dominated by television and I need to talk about it. So without further...

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The episode premiered last night and she is sharing her side of what happened in the relationship after not having spoken ever since Matt James posted his very confusing Instagram photo and caption that we've spent the last two weeks trying to dissect. Now we have all the answers. And I wanna say, like two parts of me,

I'm like, obviously I'm like a gossip girl, like drama mongering, so I wanted like the tea. So I was like a little disappointed because it was kind of like a gossip girl, like, you know, drama mongering. So I wanted like the tea. So I was like a little disappointed because it was kind of like a nothing burger. But I'm also thrilled that like she wasn't in a worse situation than we, like, and maybe like the internet, I don't know how we got to this place

where we thought it was gonna be so crazy maybe because his post was so fucking bizarre. He kind of like played himself into making this a big story and like making himself the villain. So I'm glad that it wasn't that, but how did we get here? We're like, I don't know what I thought she was going to say, but I was just like, oh, yeah, the craziest part of this story is what happened after they broke up and how he posted max three hours after they broke up.

He knew she was on her way to the airport getting on a plane and he also knows that her phone does not connect to airplane wifi. She said ever since she downloaded some VPN, she can not connect to airplane wifi. She said, ever since she downloaded some VPN, she can't connect to airplane wifi. And he like obviously would know that about his travel partner. They just spent the last three weeks going to London and Japan.

So he posted that as she's taking off, she sees it as she's taking off her friend texts her rage and then no service for 12 hours. So she hadn't told anyone yet cause she was just like crying and in shock because basically they were having a very normal time on their trips. They were in Japan and just started to get like irritated

by each other as you do when you're with someone up their butt, like cabin fever. And that small fight turned into a larger fight that he, not a fight, but a larger conversation about the issues in their relationship that then he ended the relationship. Her flight, she was set to leave right then anyway, which makes you wonder if he was just like waiting

for that moment. Like maybe knew a few days before, but what you're gonna make her move her flight? It's weird when you're out of the country. So she just took her bag left, went to the airport, was just like crying and upset. And he posted that not even three hours later. So she said like, if he hadn't posted that like he did,

and that blew every, she didn't even have one day of peace. She didn't even get to tell her family or her friends in her own way. If he hadn't done that, she wouldn't like then be on call her daddy talking about what went wrong in their relationship. But they started talking from the beginning, like the bachelor, what made her go on the bachelor,

how she wound up on the show. Her friends put her up for it. It was like not serious. But then she saw Matt was the bachelor and she was like, oh, how she wound up on the show. Her friends put her up for it. It was like not serious. But then she saw Matt was The Bachelor and she was like, oh, like I would like to meet him. And then she instantly connected with him on the show. They famously did not get engaged on the show, which she said she was like totally fine with.

He said that to her off camera. And by the way, at the time, I didn't think it was so crazy. Obviously they had their like big scandal, but also at the time when The Bachelor was like really popular, it was kind of this annoying thing that like these couples who like really had a lot of potential but didn't want to get engaged

would have to like break up. The proposal became this almost like burden in the franchise. So the fact that they were able to like find a roundabout way to like still be together and like have a normal relationship and we figured they would get engaged in like a year. I actually thought that was like kind of nice for them.

Obviously the circumstances that brought them there were terrible. Yes. And to me, they always seemed younger. Maybe, I don't know if they're the same age as everyone, but they just seemed young. So I was like, okay, they're not ready for an engagement. And that's also, you're just taking it seriously. So then they got together after the show.

She said in that time, they were so happy, like just good conversations, having fun, like all good. And then the controversy happened with the old photos of her. And Matt broke up with her, even though their relationship had been all good. She said he was feeling a lot of pressure and she has a lot of compassion for him in that moment because he was feeling a lot of pressure

from people he didn't know, people he did know to break up with her. Cause that was just like a really crazy moment. It was after BLM. And I'm sure everyone remembers the great- The Southern Bell, Southern, what are those parties called? The Old South party.

Oh yeah, right, right, right. No, and like the serious cancellation of Rachel Karkana. Like that was one of the biggest ones. It was- In our world. It was happening the entire season that the show was airing, probably from halfway through the season.

And what was so crazy is they were getting closer and closer and everyone knew that she had this scandal. And it was like, is he picking her? Like, are we gonna watch this live on after the final rose? And it was just so crazy. And he broke up with her cause he felt like that was the right thing to do. And he didn't want to let people down.

But then they were still talking a little bit and they wound up getting back together. Like they were deeply in love. Yeah. So they got back together because they missed each other and they liked each other. And when their relationship started again, there were so many power imbalances that what I took away from the episode were the reasons why their relationship didn't work out. In the end, first of all, when you come off of a show like that, he sought out by 40 women

and the whole time she has to fight for him. He's not fighting. There's already an imbalance. And she said, I think a lot of couples deal with that coming off of the show, and especially for when the male is the lead. I feel like when the woman is the lead, it's just different men and women dynamic.

A woman is always on a pedestal. Yeah, no, but like- It's fine. But I always feel like women in general are like, they have to get the man to propose him. Even when we talk about Taylor and Travis, she's the most powerful woman in the world, but at the end of the day,

she's just waiting for him to make the, like that's just gender dynamics, but then it's compounded when someone is the bachelor. So coming off of that, she's been proving himself to her. She's always the one who has to like tell him how much she likes her, and then they come into the real world, and there's a little bit of that.

Plus the world hates Rachel and the world loves Matt. And so she's constantly feeling inferior in their relationship and so insecure. And so she touched on how that year, the first year of their relationship was really hard for her. They would like go to places and events and it's like Matt James and Rachel. Everyone loves Matt James and like-

And she was like this villain who everyone was like she's undeserving of him. Yeah, and that she's this bad person. And like, I think- Right. I think that when she got broken up with and canceled at the same time, I, and she seems like someone who can- Very sensitive.

Be sensitive and anxious and depressed. I have to imagine that was the hardest moment of her life period. To be heartbroken, the world hates you telling you you're this terrible person. As if getting canceled isn't the worst fucking thing on the planet. But you just got-

Then your man leaves you. You got broken up with by a guy who you never even had a bad moment with yet because you're just in the early days of a blossoming beautiful relationship. So like, I feel like that must've been so hard for her. And they just kept on going with the story until like, what's next, what's next.

But I'm kind of like focused on that because I think that set the tone for their whole relationship where she constantly just didn't feel good enough and she would have to say to her about herself in the interview. No, like Rachel, you are good enough. She just like was talking so talking so negatively about herself in the interview. I feel like she's never really forgiven herself for the things that happened and why she was canceled and it just like affected her confidence her her place in her relationship and it was just an imbalanced way and so all of those things plagued her throughout the relationship to the point where at the end in Japan she can't even pick a restaurant for them to go to because she's so nervous about disappointing him and maybe he in some ways put pressure on her

to be this person, but she never said that. She kept saying, he said the restaurant was fine. Who cares? It doesn't matter. Right, so the restaurant thing, I think everybody's talking about. And it's like, well, Matt's the villain because he made her feel bad.

Even though she has expressed, she said like, I was so insecure. Yes. It was me. I think it all stems from those original issues that never got solved. And she would say, and there were moments of fights that they had that clearly

he wasn't showing like compassion and wasn't being a supportive partner. Yeah, and that's just like, okay, he's not a perfect boyfriend. He's not a perfect person. I was getting the sense. And I feel like people in the comments are like labeling him with like these clinical terms.

Which I don't like that. Nothing, I'm not a trained professional. I would never label anyone. The only vibe I got from him based on what you were saying is like he's a little robotic, like a little unemotional. She would be going, say she was having a hard day, emotionally, he would give her space to go through it, process her feelings, and then they would talk about it.

And Alex was like, is that what you wanted? She was like, no, actually, like I would have liked to be comforted and have someone to talk to and feel supported. So I just feel like emotionally, he couldn't give her what she needed. But I feel like if you just follow him on social media, you could receive that,

that he's very unemotional and very robotic. So on an emotional communication level, they're not good partners for one another, but I think all those other factors from the outside contributed to how she felt in the relationship. It felt like she was like very insecure. And then she also didn't, I feel like never wanted to make him upset. And I think also she is tendency to have like people pleasing tendencies. And then he is the sort of person where it's just like, it's, it's the more you like are

trying, the more he's like, why are you trying so hard? I also think when you compare it to other like successful bachelor couples where the male is the lead, you know, going into the real world and then becoming public figures is just like a part of your job. And I feel like it was very much kind of like the match show and the, and even when the male is the lead, like male reality stars, they do sort of like fizzle.

And then naturally like the girl becomes like, you know, a big influencer. And yeah, and she did sort of, but like it was very much the match show. And I also, I feel like- Which just I think is what you're saying, it's like reflective of the dynamic of their relationship. And I feel like at first it was because she was like canceled.

So she was just like glad to be with him and go to things with him. But in the last few years, she has actually very parardigy content. She's a very good content creator because she is originally a graphic designer. So she's actually talented in the field of content creation. And she just never like branched out and did her own thing.

As a passive consumer, like I follow her and it's like, why isn't she on Trippin' with Tart? Why isn't she doing these things? Instead she was- Yeah, we know like Matt's things, right? Like food and fitness, Lululemon. What are her, what does Rachael like? What does Rachael do?

I feel like she never got to explore that because that initial moment was taken from her where you do typically go out and crush it as an influencer. Yeah. And then I feel like because she lacked the confidence to like get back out there because she never fully like moved on from this thing.

Even though it feels like from the outside, it's like, oh, well people have moved on and you guys are together and you made it work. So like, I think we're all moving forward. But to me, I know people are now like taking away from this mad is toxic and mad is a bad boyfriend. They're using big words, emotionally manipulative abuser. Like I think it's important that we refrain

from using those terms because they start to lose their meaning when everybody who's not the best boyfriend ever is an abuser, then there are people who actually abuse and you're like, oh wait, no, this is abuse. Yeah, the thing is she's talking in the interview like someone who has suffered from verbal abuse. And my takeaway is that was from the cancellation.

She was so verbally abused by the media, the country, the influencers, everyone, like wore this girl down. And that's why she talks so negatively about herself. And that's my personal takeaway that this is more a referendum on cancel culture and what it does to a person. Even four years later than it is on Matt James himself,

even though they would have an argument and she would go into the argument upset with him. And then she would leave the argument just hoping he wasn't upset with her. Like, yeah, that's not good boyfriend. It's not a good boyfriend, but listen, people get in fights in their relationships all the time. If you had a window into every single relationship,

all of you people in the comments would be saying breakup. So you have to remember, like it's two people, people have arguments in relationships. She is speaking as kindly about him as she can. And then ultimately at the end of the day, he just didn't see her as his wife and future partner. Now is that- Which by the way,

was the undercurrent of their entire relationship. With each year that went by, we were like, why aren't these people who are so deeply in love getting engaged? And she hasn't stressed out whether it was really like her and him being incompatible or he has all these hangups because his parents split up. Yeah he does.

He talked about it on his season of The Bachelor. That's also why he didn't get engaged on The Bachelor. He definitely has that. And then also maybe he was feeling like she wasn't right for him, but would even the perfect girl. And it seems like she couldn't have done more to try and make the relationship work. She loves him so much.

So much so like that picking the best restaurant for his content was so overwhelming to her. That's like the real tragedy and the saddest part of this cause you see her, she's such a nice girl. And all she wanted was like to love and be loved. And he made it so hard. Like that was the real takeaway. It's like, he's not a bad person.

He's just like kind of a, not a good boyfriend. And he's very specific type of person. And they certainly weren't like a person, like a love language kind of match. But she's just somebody who really wanted, I think asked for very little and received even less in return. That's what's really sad.

And then I also think there are common themes in their story just about like girls who are ready to be engaged at two years start to get a little curious and then impatient and the guy doesn't do it. And I think a lot of times like everyone gets across the finish line. you know, it takes some time. I feel like people think that you just like wake up,

get engaged. No, you've got to put those ducks in motion. It's a dance, but sometimes you can do all the right steps and the right moves and it's still a no. And you have to move on. And then you're grieving like the person, the relationship, your best friend, your future, your future that you think maybe in a year from now,

I'll be getting married and starting to have kids. And instead it's like, maybe in a year from now I'll meet someone. Like to me, that's the greatest crime Matt James committed was allowing this like really lovely, young, beautiful girl, full of potential to like sort of waste away under your care. You knew, you knew you have your own issues.

Four years to steal from a woman, it's actually a crime. It should be punishable by jail. It's one of the worst things you can do to someone, especially somebody who's been vocal about wanting to get married and have kids. In a perfect world, we could all take our time, but that's not how science works. We all are on our own journeys at our own clocks.

And to really steal that from a young woman is, it's to me, and I don't see people talking about this, that's his biggest crime. That's what he's most guilty of, jail. Yeah, that's so sad. And I feel like in my personal life, and then also just you see and hear stories, you hear these things happening,

and that's what is so sad, starting over at this age, when you were very excited about- And by the way, she's still young, but like, you know what I mean. Yeah, no, but you were- It's prime years you wasted. And also it takes time to meet someone

to confirm that that's the right person, to get married, to start having children. To get over your ex first. Yeah, like, so I think that's also something that she's really grieving, but it was just kind of sad to see this person who's just been so beat down by the world. And she's such a beautiful girl.

Not that, you know, if she weren't beautiful, it wouldn't be sad, but like- That she would deserve it. I'm not kidding. But she's exceptionally beautiful. And she doesn't even see herself that way. That she's so sweet and kindhearted. This person doesn't have like a mean bone in their body.

And that was, it's just a very sad situation. I don't think Matt James is the devil. I think the way that the- No. He posted the breakup was very wrong and unkind. And she said she has spoken to him since and he regrets that. And that is what it is. Like that's the story.

I also feel like because it's so fresh, like it's great that we got the tea in a matter of days, but like things like this really require time to heal. I feel like you could tell in a lot of the things that she was saying, like still very much like wanting people to think well of him and not wanting to like drag him, which is a really lovely thing to do

for somebody you loved for so long. It's nice to see, but I do think like, if there was more there, we would not get it at this stage. Like it was almost too soon to do like a big tell all because you're still very much like in a phase of mourning, you haven't even remotely started healing yet. Yeah, I agree. I feel like I could see in the future,

like her sharing more nefarious behavior from him, but in this moment, it sounded like she didn't want to make him out to be a villain. And I think that was also her lack of confidence. Maybe she'll see it differently as her confidence grows, because she keeps saying like, maybe I missed it. Maybe this was wrong. I shouldn't have done this.

Like it was, she was just blaming herself for so many things. And so, yes, maybe in time, as she can see it more clearly in hindsight and also can build her confidence back up. Right. That more, she will share more and maybe see some of these situations a little differently.

Yeah, that's like, this is like one of the situations where like once she's on the other side of it and she ends up in like a good relationship, which I have faith that's like, this is like one of the situations where like once she's on the other side of it and she ends up in like a good relationship, which I have faith that she will, she will, it'll really be such a stark difference. Like she will see what it's like to be loved by somebody, like without conditions, without time limits, with just like open,

and hopefully that's the type of relationship she'll find herself in. And that I feel like for so many girls, when they get out of those relationships where they're just not being treated like the queens that they need to be. And it's not until somebody really treats them so normally and well that you realize how bad you had it.

Yeah. You've just come to sort of expect this type of treatment. Yeah. Also, something that she said that I thought was kind of red flag, but then it wasn't followed up with was they were talking about like the food element in the relationship and like the content creation. He's a food creator. Like she would always like pick the restaurants

and she like always wanted to do a really good job for him so he had something to post about. And she said every meal that they went to in their relationship, they were filming. That's a little like, she said every meal. And I would have just been like every single meal. And if so, that's weird that you can't go to one restaurant. What if you like a restaurant that's like not that cool

and you just like going there? Or what if you just wanna go and- There's nothing to post about. Do you know how many meals I've been to looking like a rat? Like what if I don't wanna film? Yeah. And by the way, I'm literally married to most annoying food content creator on the planet,

but like there are rules. Right. It seems like she just had no say. Like he was very much in control of every part of the relationship. And by the way, some people like being in relationships like that, where there's very much like a person in control,

person making decisions, whether it's the man or the woman, some people really do like that. And some people find comfort in not having to like, you know, think about a million things like, yeah, he booked the flights. Like some people like that. And it seems like that's the type of partner he was.

And if he had given her just like a little bit more respect and like love, she would have been okay with it. Because she just loved him so much. She was okay with it. That's the thing, he broke up with her. Right, right, right. So that's the story on their relationship. I feel like it's kind of- Crazy, actually not.

It's kind of what you expected. It's like the relationship ran its course. But to me, I just got sort of hung up on, at the time when he like dumped her on live television and like didn't have her back in that moment, even though he knew her as a person, you know, like do you think she was a bad person this time that you were falling in love with her?

So that he didn't defend her. I was like, how can she forgive it? Like how do you come back from that? And instead it was like, it wasn't, she forgave him. She never held that against him, she said, ever. But the person that made her into, like she was not healed. And it's hard to go in a relationship like that. They entered into like the full part of their relationship

after the breakup on TV, like in just a really bad spot. So like they got off on the really like a bad foot. Yeah. And they never corrected it. Yeah. Cause I think, well, I think he wasn't helpful in helping her like heal and grow, but also she needed to do that too.

And I don't, I don't even know. She didn't even say that on the episode. I don't know if she realizes that. No, a lot of people are just like surmising that from her performance on the interview. You just, you read people and she's not reading as somebody who's like overly confident or she's reading as somebody who's very sensitive

and very self-spoken and has sort of been, I don't like to use this phrase, but like beaten down a little bit into like this sort of shell of a person. That's, yeah, I said she's been beat down by the world. I would say that. And I don't know I said she's been beat down by the world. I would say that. And I don't know what she was like before she went on the show.

It'd be interesting to hear from like her family. Her friends. Like just to know, but I feel like she's probably always been like relatively soft spoken, but to make like, I think she just never forgave herself and you can't live like that. And so it was sad. Sad, yeah.

That's the takeaway I think. Yeah, for everyone. But I think there's, it's easy for people, and it's funny, the people who are like so quick to like, be like Matt James is tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. It's like, what were you saying about Rachel four years ago? You just like, whichever way the wind blows. With the wind, yeah, it's so true.

Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Yeah. It's about a big podcast fan. Because Travis Kelce has revealed that Taylor Swift listens to New Heights every week. They talked about Taylor a lot on this episode of New Heights. Yeah, Travis Kelce revealed on Wednesday's episode

of New Heights how often Taylor listens to the show. He said, she listens every week, he told their intern Brandon. So Brandon was talking on the show because apparently Taylor paid him some high compliments like about his work on the show. And he said like, you can't tell me nothing ever again. Like it's over for you bitches.

He said she was very complimentary of the show. She gave us some creative compliments. Let me be very clear. You can't tell me shit for the rest of my fucking life. This is what intern Brandon said. He said, I'm gonna be obnoxious. Like, do you know who you're fucking talking to? I was very appreciative of it.

When somebody of that creative caliber pays you a compliment, you're like, oh fuck, true. I don't know why, like, I don't know. He said he plans to be a complete narcissist from here on out. And you would do it too. I don't know if like, if you had asked me to, I think Taylor listens to every episode.

I think I would have said yes. Like she seems like that type of partner, like really supportive. Yes, but it's just crazy. But she's also busy. Like who has the time? Yeah. And it's just crazy when you think about like, our husbands never listen to our podcast.

Oh, you know what? I didn't even think of that in this moment. Yeah, you're right. You don't listen to your husband's weekly or that. That's not true. That's not true. Every episode, you don't. Every single one, yeah.

No, actually let me tell you, I don't. When you and Ben were dating, if he had a weekly podcast, you would listen to every single fucking episode. Let's not forget, Taylor and I are in different boats. She's trying to get engaged. I got it. Like I'm chill.

I guess maybe if Ben had like started a podcast while we were dating, I would listen. Yeah, for like, first of all, it's a good insight into like, you know, oh, he's talking about this movie he likes, I could be like, oh, I love that movie too. I would say a cheat sheet. It's a cheat sheet. It's a cheat sheet.

Also like what is, is there anything like nefarious he's saying, like I need to know. Right, red flags. It's a window into his mind, which when you're dating someone, that's all you want. I do think Travis and Taylor are engaged now, but still like until you're like sat up married for 10 years, like you can't get comfortable.

You've got to know. Yeah. You take every crumb. Actually just remind me, we just had dinner with Ben's parents and like they love the good guys. They listen every week and they're always like bringing up, like that was so funny when Josh said this.

And let me tell you, I have no idea what they're talking about. I literally, I was at dinner the other night, I was just like, oh my like, that was so funny when Josh said this. And let me tell you, I have no idea what they're talking about. I literally, I was at dinner the other night, I was just like, oh my God, that was so funny. I just like nod my head and nobody asked. I know Ben knows that I don't listen, but I think like his parents really sweetly assume

that I probably do. And they're like, how funny was that? I'm like, they are so hysterical, those good guys. Like I'm just actually playing a part. That is so funny. And yes, I haven't listened probably since like the, when they first started releasing, I would like listen, just make sure they weren't saying anything crazy. And then they got like a good, so now I don't need to listen like they're fly butterfly.

Right. Right. So it actually is not surprising that she does listen to every episode, but yes, certainly that is commitment, but she listens to, it seems like she has a lot of time for content because she listens to every album under the sun to know all the lyrics to every word to staying along at award shows. It seems like they watch a lot of television. Travis has said they watch Love is Blind. Like if you got to Love is Blind,

you've watched a lot of stuff. She reads a lot of books too. Cause I think she also like got to a point in her life where she didn't want to only write music about her own life. So she started referencing like great novels and movies and TV shows. Like everybody knows Death by Thousand Cuts is about that random movie with Gina Rodriguez on Netflix.

That was actually really, oh no, Clean, excuse me. Everyone knows that The Great War is about Matthew and- Mary? Mary from Downton Abbey. I don't believe you. That's what I know. Are you making that up? I've told you that before and you didn't believe me. By the way, I've never heard that.

Now I need to, okay. Now I need to look up the lyrics. And even if I made that up or heard it in a dream, I don't want to be corrected. Just like Long Live is about JoJo knows. What are you seeing? I don't know. Maybe it was ego swinging. Maybe it was her.

They didn't have any infidelity. Oh, you're not like Googling. Is this about this? No. All that bloodshed crimson clover. Uh-huh. Sweet dream was over. My hand was the one you reached for all throughout the great war. Always remember tears on the letter. I vowed not to cry anymore if we survived the great war.

No, there are definitely parts of it. And like he went to the great, he went to World War I, which at the time was called the great war because they didn't know there would be World War II. Oh, I Googled Great War Downton Abbey not realizing Great War is like, is also a thing. Okay, Taylor's like.

Yeah, Great War is a historical thing. Isn't that funny to think about though? In the Downton Abbey Reddit, Great War from Taylor's Just Midnight is allegedly inspired by Matthew and Mary. Is there a source to confirm this? Wait, seriously, people are just like questioning it. So you didn't make it up, because I'm seeing it elsewhere.

It's definitely swirling. I love that. I could see it. Just like champagne problems is about seven husbands. Drop your hand while dancing. That's a theory. I like it. Me too.

No, you could definitely tell like sometimes, I'm like, oh, I read this book when you're listening. She totally reads like the swirly books. Yeah, like it ends with us. Totally. Love that movie. So then the other takeaway from this story is that Taylor is in the podcast app.

I wonder what else she's clicking around on. Has she seen our big ugly faces? I mean, I don't know how you can miss us. We do so many fucking episodes. It's true, unless she like only subscribes to new heights, she go, it's in her homepage. Oh, unless like Travis like puts it on like a like a video file and just sends it to her.

Like she doesn't actually open the app store. It's actually harder to listen to shit that way. It's easier. They make it so easy on Apple podcasts or Spotify. No, and by the way, to be clear, she's watching it. Like let's be real on YouTube. Totally. If I'm listening to something on Spotify, a podcast, then when I get in my car, it's playing from the same place.

I that's like a life hack. Yeah. You can tell I like pays for Spotify. She gets a free account. Like, how does that work? Interesting. When you bring billions of streams, you actually make you subscribe. I don't know. Just a thought. They shouldn't make us subscribe. We bring billions of streams.

Billions. What? Thousand percent. Are you ready for our next story? What number? Three. Yeah. It's your least favorite kind of news.

DUI news for Smallville star Tom Welling, also known as- And I need people to stop calling him Smallville star. It's Charlie from Cheaper by the Dozen. It's Cheaper by the Dozen star Tom Welling from Hero to Zero arrested for a DUI in the parking lot at Arby's. According to police-

Not the Arby's, I missed that small but vital detail. According to police records obtained by TMZ, the 47 year old was arrested in Arby's parking lot in Eureka, California just after- Eureka! It's Just after- Eureka! It's okay. How would you pronounce this city? Y-R-E-K-A.

Wait, Y-R-E-K-A? Yeah. Eureka! I would, yeah. Just after midnight on Sunday, where a local police department picked him up for allegedly driving under the influence, his blood alcohol level was reportedly at or above 0.08.

That's what it means to get a DUI, but I don't know what his actual was. Also, obviously I'm never one to try and help someone in a DUI, but he was in the parking lot, so. Didn't go anywhere. He just wasn't driven there. Maybe they reported a freeze.

Maybe they pulled him over in the parking lot. Yeah, like maybe the Arby's people were like, there's a drunk guy getting into his car. Cause it sounds like he hadn't like had the opportunity yet to drive under the influence. He didn't get drunk at Arby's. So how did he get to Arby's? By the way, what is it?

Just one Arby's in the middle of nowhere? Maybe there were like other facilities, a liquor store, a bar. Yeah. Chilis, they serve alcohol. They do. Maybe had it in his car. I gotta go to Chilis.

Where do you think, by the way, I found out a fun fact this morning, where do you think Chilis originated? Like if you had to guess what US city? Houston. It's actually an amazing guess, it's Dallas. Oh, wow. I didn't know that. I deserve points.

I don't know if what I would have said. What would you have said? I don't know. I feel like it was started in an airport. I don't know. I don't know. Like what's your association? Like tri-state?

Airport. No, it's not tri-state at all. No, it's airport. There's airports everywhere. Maybe Florida. I thought that's what you might say. Yeah, just a fun fact I saw on Facebook. I love fun facts from Facebook.

I'm like constantly getting targeted with like the most turnt AI news. Like it's like Bravo AI generated news. Me too, it's all these like click bait things about Paige and Craig. Yes. And we have the same Facebook account, that's why. Oh, right.

And it's like Madison McCroy speaks up against Paige. And you can't even click anywhere to read what Madison LeCroy originally said. It's muckraking at its finest. It is. Are you ready for our next story? Oh wait, back to Smallville. Can we just start on it really quickly?

Oh, like, shame on you. Do better, Tom. Shame on you, obviously. But could this be more cliche? Like not only you played Charlie, what was their last name in the movie? Like he was Charlie, like he had like such a classic American name. Right.

Cheaper by the dozen, let me see. Family name. Baker. Baker. Charlie Baker. Like he was just this all American football star. He was so fucking hot. And then he also had this career as the smallville guy,

which we never watched, but he was like this young heartthrob star. He was so fucking hot. And then he also had this career as the Smallville guy, which we never watched, but he was like this young heartthrob playing like a neighborhood kid who becomes like Superman or whatever. And for like him to end up in a DUI, like it's seriously a tale as old as time. Like be a little less cliche, Charlie Baker, honestly. Yeah, but it's cliche for a reason.

Right. Now are you ready for our next story? No, is it our next story that's brought to you by my absolute favorite TV show, The Flip Off? Yes. So we've got something super exciting to tell you guys about the premiere of HGTV's new buzzy series, The Flip Off.

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and at times uncomfortable personal moments. So it's not all glamour. It's really real and really captivating. We're gonna see Christina and her, this moment went viral. I don't know if you guys saw it. Christina and her now ex-husband, Josh Hall, they were still married at the time, having this like literally terrible exchange in a car.

It was so awkward. And then Christina goes and like tells Tariq about it. Like it's very layered, these people. So we have all the drama, but also the heart of the series, their design chops, eye for style. And did we mention guest appearances? Each week, notable celebrities like Amanda Smith from Selling Sunset, Heather Dubrow

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Our next story is a bit of a think piece because a woman has gone viral on TikTok after slamming period piece actors for having Botox and lip fillers. So it's a very interesting debate. Are period actors allowed to look like they've just stepped off a Hollywood red carpet? According to one impassioned TikToker, no, they can't. TikToker went viral in which she disrespectfully stated that actors cannot star in a period piece if they look like they've had Botox and lip fillers done. She doubled down on her opinion in the caption writing, like you should never even get past the audition.

You know, I happen to agree with her, but I don't know if it's specific to period pieces. First of all, like if you're gonna be an actor who emotes and your face doesn't move, that's just beyond, you know, contradictory. Oh, well that's a separate issue. But I hear what she's saying. I hear what she's saying.

Like in the modern world, like we look different than women in the 30s did. And that's because a lot of us do preventative Botox filler. Now, I think there is a way in which you, you can look at someone and say, oh my God, they have a ton of filler and Botox. And then you can look at someone and be like, oh, I didn't realize. And they could have it. So I think, I don't think her blanket statement applies here

because some actors like have it and we wouldn't even know, you know, maybe like a little bit of lip filler, that's allowed. But I agree, like having these sort of Instagram model looking people being in a Downton Abbey is confusing. Yeah, no, the lip filler is, when you can see it, that is confusing. I also feel that way about natural breasts, if I may. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, talking about the breasts.

I do feel like it really enhances the piece when the people do look authentic. I remember even when I watched 1883, the girly who totally looks like an Instagram girly, but she's also just gorgeous, she had a hairy armpit. And that is true to the time. Authentic.

And so I am kind of with this person. Now I don't think that everyone needs to now be screened for Botox and filler. It's like, do you pass? Can I tell? Do you look like someone from this age? But then it also comes down to hair extensions. Another one mentioned- I wonder what this girl,

exactly what show she was referencing. Acrylic nails. Oh, a thousand percent. Yeah, there are a lot of modern day things, but then makeup, makeup in general. They had some makeup. Wait, but then it's also like on the costume department to find those things.

Like when you think about Game of Thrones, I remember when there was that one water bottle in the background of Game of Thrones and everybody talked about it. Like that's how committed the show was to being like super authentic to medieval times or whatever. You didn't see any of that shit.

It was natural titties, you know, hair that looked, it was long because not of extensions because like girls didn't cut their hair back then. Like it was very authentic, true to the time. I think that it is an enhancement to the show when you have people who do look true to the time. And I think that period pieces that wanna be taken really seriously should aspire to that.

I agree and I don't think she's wrong. But then there's like Bridgerton, which is not a period piece that wants to be taken seriously. In my opinion. Okay, Bridgerton. Bridgerton likes being a modern take. Like even just everything about it is modern. Modern, yeah that's true.

I don't think they're trying to be like completely, you know, London 1800s or whatever it is, like authentic. Yeah, no, they're not. They use modern music that's set to orchestral instruments. Like I think that they like that. So I'm not even considering Bridgerton here because it is like I wouldn't call it a period piece. Yeah, no, and there are a lot of things about it that are obviously a historical. It's like a utopian historical fiction. Like that is what it is. But 1883, Downton Abbey, Game of Thrones, like those ones, and they are very serious and they get a lot of acclaim for awards.

I feel this, as long as you can't tell that it's filler or Botox, I think, yeah, no extensions. No, the titties is a really good point. Yeah, that's another one. You know, everybody was drooping low, like back in the day. Yeah, and even if it's not a nude scene, like you see it in people's clothes in their silhouette. Yep.

So just something to think about. And I think it could be good for women in Hollywood to not have to keep up with this impossible standard. Yeah, especially as they make more and more recreations. This actually could be setting people free. 1000% from the shackles of beauty standards. It's true, let's rewind. Yeah, I like that.

And it is always interesting. I wish that I could rewind. To see what people truly looked like back then, how they styled their hair, the clothes that they wore. Without a modern spin on it. That's one of my favorite things is like all these like random, like history accounts that either like through AI or like restore old video footage to see what people

on the street looked like. And when you take the elevator in one of these old buildings in New York, you get to like, as you go up, you see what New York looks like on this particular street as the time evolves and you see people too. And like literally like girlies like were different looking. Yeah, the way their hair dried was different.

Like they didn't have flat hair. How come we all have flat hair now? What's that? I feel like we've had this conversation too about a lot of them, I don't think suffered from acne. Like the, not only the air was cleaner, but like the, they weren't putting so much shit on their face, chemicals.

Yeah. Maybe they had more freckles without sunscreen. Right. It's just very interesting to think about. I remember one show I was watching last year. I forget which one, like they, there was a baby in the show and they brought out a baby bottle, which but it was like one from 150 years ago. It was like this little glass boat and it was just so interesting. It must have been an actual like historical. That's accurate. And it's interesting. Yes, we're here to learn. We are here to learn. Thousand percent. So I'm with this girl.

And so what? She said it harshly. So what? Listen up. Wow, I didn't know they were having these types of conversations on TikTok. I'm obviously on the wrong side of TikTok because my TikTok is like brain dead.

I've never heard anybody having good intellectual conversations. That's on me though. That's on my algorithm. Okay, well just talk loudly about how you want more historical factoids on your TikTok. I wonder if people with Botox should be in period pieces. Good job. Are you ready for our fifth and final story? A little sports news.

What's going on in the sports world? And I do feel like this is a kickoff to a theme of conversations we're going to be having for the next two weeks. Weeks? Weeks? Which is Super Bowl commercials. So Super Bowl ad prices top $8 million Weeks. Weeks. Which is Super Bowl commercials. So Super Bowl ad prices top $8 million as a surge to those Fox sales.

So unfortunately, Turdi, we can't get a Super Bowl commercial this year. There's always next year. Okay, we can start fundraising today, but I guess that is hopeful for the future of cable. I feel like even big cable moments in the last couple of years, like big award shows, it's all going down.

Super Bowl is the only thing that's going up and that has not been taken over by a streamer. Yeah, the executive vice president of sales at Fox Sports said the Superbowl is the only place where you can aggregate legitimate scale with one commercial. It's not like any other thing. Like one, people in that moment, 40 million people will see your commercial

and if it is a successful commercial, it will continue to have impressions online as people talk about it. Like it's very true. I do think it's worth the money. It's how a new brand can make a splash. If you just like do no other paid advertising for the year, save up, get a Super Bowl commercial.

And it's how the old mainstays. Stay relevant. Protect the throne. No, it's how the old mainstays stay relevant. Protect the throne. No, it's so true. It's my favorite. Like, and me and Ben were just talking, we were like, what should we do for the Super Bowl? We could do X, Y, Z. And I'm like, I don't like going to Super Bowl parties

because first of all, like I like football. I'm not like other girls. I actually want to watch a game. And two, I feel like when you're at a Super Bowl party during the commercials, people like go and talk and are loud, like you do what you would normally do during a commercial break. And it's like, excuse me, I'm trying to watch.

Yeah, you're such a cool girl. I'm so cool. Like I really care about football. Like I really need to be locked in these other, you guys probably listening, you guys don't understand because I'm not like you. No, and you're such like a media magnate that you need to see all the commercials.

You're an advertising big wig. This is work for me. She's Don Draper when she's watching the Super Bowl. So yeah, we're just gonna have like a low key Super Bowl at home. I agree. We were just thinking, cause when we hosted people to watch a game on Sunday,

we were like, what are we doing for the Super Bowl? Right. And I agree. I don't know if I want to have a lot of people over cause then I'm like, cooking all day, like on Sunday, towards the end of my cooking expedition, like I was broken. Like I couldn't do another thing. I had a loaf of sourdough that was proofing all day and I couldn't even be bothered to

shape it. And so I put it in the fridge and it's still in the fridge. I have to throw it in the garbage. Um, I couldn't do another thing. That's not what I want to do for the Superbowl. I agree. I just want to watch it like I would any other football game and like appreciate it. A thousand percent.

It's also just like enjoyable, like, cause I'm not like other girls. Like I enjoy it. So game and like appreciate it. A thousand percent. It's also just like enjoyable. Like, cause I'm not like other girls. Like I enjoy it. So I want to watch it. Yeah. You're so- I don't know if I mentioned- You're so cool. Yeah. Okay. Did I mention that I'm like really into football?

I feel like you've like alluded to it before. Right. But it wasn't clear- I don't like to brag because like all these guys are like, wow, Tari, you're so cool. Like it's, it's annoying, you know? Anyways, commercials are going for $8 million. Some of them are starting to come out.

The Hellman's one that you alluded to, it is out there. It's Joe and Schmo from Blow. Harry and Sally. Okay, yeah, I didn't know if it was out because like I was under embargo, not me knowing about this for like two weeks. And a special cameo from Sydney Sweeney in the commercial. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

So that's one, looking forward to it. I'm not the type to watch them before. I wanna have the experience. No, it ruins it. Yeah, that's one part of this whole thing that I would pull back on. I don't like when brands show us the commercial before. The element of surprise is fab.

No, I mean also they do lead up campaigns Like I know that Uber Eats is doing something with Matthew McConaughey, because now they're running like a Matthew McConaughey commercial that teases like coming soon, February 9th. It's like, it's a fucking commercial. Yeah, but they spent a lot of money. That I don't like, I know. If you spend eight million dollars on something,

like you'd want to show it to the world every day. It's just, it's becoming a lot. Like it's, you get the four hours of the game, you get the commercials, and that's all you get. Yeah, and you don't get upset. I don't like to give attention to people who are doing too much. It's true, you have to walk the line.

Real Housewives of Beverly Hills was on last night, and to be honest, I'm actually getting so over this current plot line, and I'm glad it appears that we put it to bed last night, but they took it one episode too far Like I've now been listening to like Kyle and like defend her actions and Doreen being mad at her. Like I've listened to it the entire season thus far. Like I haven't heard one other thing.

The episode parts of the episode that I found really enjoyable were like, you know, Garcelle and Sutton like really not letting Kyle get away with a singular mishap. Like when she invited them all out to lunch to apologize, even though like she wasn't doing it to apologize, she was doing it to like rally the troops. Sutton was like, well, so what are you apologizing for?

Cause she did say it in a weird way. Like, I'm not sorry for what I said. I'm sorry for how I said it, but I mean what I said, but I didn't say it in the way that I wanted to. So I actually appreciated Sutton being like, you called us here, just what the fuck? Like, what are you sorry about? Yeah, and she's just like all of it.

Like, yeah. Right. Say it. Right, Which part? Which part? And so I appreciated Sutton, like making trying to get the apology to be real and earnest. But then also then Erica comes in and she really is like such a a compassionate friend because she was like, everyone here has been through a divorce, like you're at your worst.

So you didn't act 100 percent like Garcelle writing a whole email to CAA, like cut the ladies some slack. And then I feel like, OK, cut the lady some slack. However, Kyle also needs to cut Dorit some slack because Dorit is going through the same thing. And because she can't do that for Dorit, why should we do it for her? However, we should still do it for her

because that's called being the bigger person. And I know that we got like some resolution. I know we got resolution and like, technically this is put to bed, but like what Kyle was saying in her side interviews about how like she can't believe she can't be friends with both PK and Dorit, like in just something she's gonna have to like deal with.

Like, are you fucking serious? Like, and I wish that Dorit would bring up the fact that she has not spoken to Mauricio like since they got divorced, because that's what girls do. Like that's just normal protocol. And the way that Kyle's acting like this is such an inconvenience and it's gonna be so challenging and so unexpected

that she would have to only stay, you know, Dorit's friend and not P.K.'s in a very contentious divorce. Why is she acting like this is her first time on planet Earth? Yeah, I don't know why that is so hard for her and why she is really two-faced in her confessionals and with the girls, because with the girls,

she keeps saying, girls, girl, of course, of course. And then in her confessionals, she's just like, well, PK's been a better friend to me. And as if it's not blanket, I have the woman's side, period. If I'm to read and I'm watching that, her confessionals are undoing any ounce of goodwill she's earning on that beach. I completely agree.

So that's such frustrating TV to watch. Yeah, then we have to like- But we're like, we're making a resolution. Just wait for the reunion. So honestly, I'm so ready to stop talking about these two. I don't know what comes next, but I can't deal with these two anymore. Like, Kyle's seriously egregious.

And Erica does make good points. I think that she's right. Like, I wish everyone would lay off, but when she's going in on the argument between Dorit and Kyle, I think she gives Kyle a little too much grace. But I agree, her reminding everybody to give this person grace is helpful.

Because I don't, and I need that reminder. But when it comes to Dorit, Kyle's so fucking wrong. No, and because Kyle won't give Dorit an ounce of grace. And then we're expected to give that to Kyle. And that's just confusing. She wants what she won't give. Let's talk about that nasty thing Sutton said at Kyle's house when Dorit was telling everybody

about Jaguar, Jagger, whatever his name is, asking if her and his dad were getting a divorce. And Sutton just completely cut her off. And was like, let's get on the bus? Yeah. Yeah. That was weird. And I do think it is like a sudden issue cause then they flashback.

And by the way, whoever's working the flashbacks this season deserves a raise. Kyle obviously like snubbed an editor once who never forgot. And now this editor is like, oh, this is my opportunity to destroy this woman. They're pulling footage that I haven't seen in years. Like they are not, that Denise thing.

Not only are they pulling the obvious moments, and I'm glad they keep pulling the moment last season where Dorit says to Kyle, I'm having this feeling of are PK and I gonna make it? Is this how this ends? And then you also see Kyle saying, Dorit never inferred that they had issues. She continued to show that and that is so important.

But then they just start flashing back when nobody was like holding anyone's feet to the fire. Sutton with the robbery, which I would have completely forgotten about. Oh my God, same. About how her designer was stuck at customs. Yep, I never got to my head. And Sutton does have a pattern

of just being like very Sutton focused in emotional moments, which isn't a good trait. No, but this editor, like they are seriously doing the Lord's work. The most frustrating thing that Kyle did this episode was like she called that lunch, which I love that everybody knew what the lunch was. Like they were just calling her out.

But she said she called lunch because she needs to have a referendum on how we all communicate, like with somebody going. And it's like, well, now that it's happening to you, you need to have a referendum, but when it was Denise, but when it was Erica. With flashback editor showing us that Kyle's party line, apparently the entire time she's been on the show,

which is something I never noticed, because it's not like the most interesting thing that a person could say is that like, when something is happening in your personal life, we're gonna talk about it, that's what we do. She said like, now that it's out there, that we have to talk about it. So now the rules change because your thing is out there.

Right. And I actually don't see like how she's not self-aware enough to see how hypocritical that is. Like you look so stupid. Yeah, and Denise is right. It's like, no, we don't. How about no, we don't. Yeah, well now Kyle agrees with Denise.

And there have been so many things that have happened in their worlds that never came up on the show. Like some of the Mauricio rumors that were so squashed so early on, like you would be a terrible person to bring that up. You'd never bring it up. Dorit's financial issues. The woman chasing Dorit around

in the Bahamas at the pool. And they were filming for that. Nobody brought it up, which like, you can have some respect for some of the things that people are going through privately, not everything needs to be excavated on the show, but Kyle didn't go for that in the past. No, and Kyle just has a history of, you know,

her mantra is like, you know, well, it's out there. Yeah. Well, it's out there Kyle. A lot of, and that Morgan, like a lot of things are out there. Right, right. And I just can't deal whenever she and then Morgan, like a lot of things are out there. Right, right. And I just can't deal whenever she talks about Morgan Wade being like, my sexuality is being questioned.

It's like, that's actually not what happened. You came on the show with a girlfriend. You kissed in the music video. Right, and then you said on the reunion that you were confused about your sexuality. Yeah, and it's like, she does deserve like space to figure things out, but then why bring her on the show? And-

That's the thing, you get no space when you make it a storyline. You can't, you want to, you expect nobody to say like, who's this lesbian lover of yours? Matching tattoos. No, and that's why like Garcelle, like actually like, yeah, are you a lesbian or not? It's like such a simple question,

which nobody would ever fucking ask her if she'd never girlfriend and her music video on the show last season. Right, I wouldn't know who Morgan Wade is. Right. So, yeah, it seems like- It wasn't a revolutionary episode. No, not at all.

I'm already forgetting everything that happened. It seems like the next half of the season, a lot is gonna go down between Sutton and Dorit. Did you see the previews? I didn't actually. I Did you see the previews? I didn't actually, I didn't watch the previews for next week. That's what I'm gleaning.

Sutton, I think Sutton is at the center of things. Well, of course she is, cause she keeps inserting herself and wanting to be in on the drama. Like I'm sure she finally got herself inserted into the drama, congrats. Well, that's real house eyes. I feel like there's nothing else really. Where the hell is Kathy? I was thinking that too she's usually there for the big group

moments I miss her. Desperately. Yeah. Need her. But other than that that's the show that's the toast. The turst. Anything else? No that's all for now. Thank you guys so much for listening to the Justine Monday Morning Show. We deliver the fastest stories to YouTube every Monday through Friday. And YouTube, if you're watching us on YouTube, please feel free to subscribe, give me a thumbs up.

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