The Toast - S3 Ep140: The One That Never Ends with Emma Chamberlain: Wednesday, August 19th, 2020

Episode Date: August 19, 2020

The Great Chili Cookoff: https://www.patreon.com/themorningtoast 'The Ellen DeGeneres Show' Ousts Three Top Producers (EXCLUSIVE) (Variety) Miley Cyrus' Call Her Daddy Bombshells: Liam Hemsworth, Her Sexual Firsts and More (E! Online) JoJo Fletcher Will Temporarily Replace Chris Harrison on The Bachelorette After He Left the Bubble (E! Online) Lala Kent calls out designer Michael Costello for refusing to make her wedding dress (Page Six), Kylie Jenner accused of captioning her photo 'brown skinned girl' (Page Six) Chrissy Teigen reveals how she found out about surprise pregnancy (Page Six), 'American Idol' alum Gabby Barrett is pregnant, expecting baby girl (Page Six) Former 'RHONY' star Cindy Barshop bringing vaginal rejuvenation spa to the Hamptons (Page Six) Real Housewives of New York Recap (40:00) Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Recap (57:38) Real Housewives of Potomac Recap (1:18:00) Dear Toasters Advice Segment (1:35:21) Special Guest: Emma Chamberlain (1:41:50) The Morning Toast with Claudia (@girlwithnojob) and Jackie Oshry (@jackieoproblems) Merch: https://shopmorningtoast.com/ The Morning Toast Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/themorningtoast See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Good morning, Millennials! Welcome back to the Morning Toast. Happy Wednesday. I hope everyone had an amazing day and is having an even better hump day! Theo's here, thank God. Thank God. It wouldn't be the same without him. I think you could hear his snores on last week. Hopefully you'll hear them this week. People should be so lucky as to hear the snores of Theo. On hump day! Such a special day. I hope everyone has had an amazing week we are having just a really fabulous time i'm not gonna lie like not to rub it in rub it in or anything but we are just having a sensational time we are i mean i don't want to speak for you okay no please i have found you

know such like inner peace i know that sounds so weird that was the word i was gonna i would have jumped in with if i were jumping in we're i mean i've been spending so little time on my phone it's crazy and not intentionally i'm just like, I mean, I've been spending so little time on my phone. It's crazy. And not intentionally. I'm just like finding peace in nature. We've been taking a lot of walks. I've been eating a lot. I took up coloring.

We're doing crossword puzzles. I feel like a 90-year-old retiree living in a nursing home. But that's the life. No, it's the life. We've really embraced nature. Like you said, we've been eating a lot. A lot. It's really just like that

movie um eat pray love i never saw it but yeah that me neither because we're eating i'm praying and i'm loving it loving it all um we have the dogs here we've got the babies here like we're just our hearts and souls are feeling so warmed and also we're doing weekly episodes as you know if you're listening to this but we've also been doing some fire patreon content so i also feel as though the work has been so rewarding as well so fulfilling like i don't know if i'll ever be more fulfilled by my work than the great chili cook-off of 2020 i mean it took us all day it took way longer to like film shop edit but the result is unbelievable like I cannot believe like how many people who were already patrons, like we're living for it. We got so many new patrons, which thank you. It is such

a great way for you to support our show and you are rewarded with premium content. If you haven't seen it yet, I highly recommend I myself have watched it three times. We watched it on the theater in the theater room in the house that we're staying at like big time premium content. And it is just so funny i'm not gonna lie as much as like the chili cook-off was everything to me and i put my heart and soul into it and into my chili and i'm not gonna spoil with how it ends ben was the star of the show i know like it was killing me because you know like i'm so competitive and all i want to do is talk over everyone but ben just really he's a star no he's star. I think we've always known that he has this flair for cooking.

He really is like a seasoned, seasoned chef. And he is such a personality. And it all came together in this beautiful way during the chili cook-off. Everyone really hit their stride. Like you were hosting, you were being a game show host. People are saying like it was some of my finest work. People are calling for you to like become a permanent game show host. Or iron chef.

My husband was directing. So if you watch the video, some of the footage is, some of the directing cues, you'll see the artistic direction that he took. It's very artful. It's quite sickening. It's quite sickening. We had the snitch as a judge, and she was born to judge. I mean, she's so judgy already. She's born to do it.

And Olivia as well. Just like, so much judgment there. And then we had Olivia's husband, Zach, also as a judge, and I feel as though he's very impartial and you needed that. You did need that. So we're not going to spoil what happened. You know, there were obviously some twists and turns throughout the cook-off. But if you want to watch, it's patreon.com slash The Morning Toast.

But this morning I went on a bike ride and it was phenomenal. You know what I realized? I was on this scenic path bike riding and I was looking around and I was phenomenal. You know what I realized? I was on this scenic path bike riding, and I was looking around, and I was thinking to myself, wow, they should really film a Peloton scenic ride here because it's so beautiful. And then I was like, wow, for the last four months, I've been doing Peloton scenic rides.

I am living. I am where I've been virtually trying to be. You're in it, and all you can do is think about Peloton. How sad is that? No, so sad. But then once I realized what was happening, I was like, I'm in the screen yeah i realized like i've been working so hard to get to this moment to be riding a bike outside and i am the scenic ride now so if

you're a patron you can see all about that patreon.com slash a morning toast today we have a very long very special episode because there's so much news we have tons of stories all three housewives are being recapped in our tv recap segment we're doing dear toasters our advice segment and we are thrilled honored humbled and excited to have emma chamberlain on our podcast at the end of this episode it was first of all who's like we know she's like a cool girl but like we got to like zoom with her and by the way the video is also up on our channel on youtube we got to like talk to her before the interview and like i just felt so cool no i felt so cool like she was making me feel like what cool for talking to her and then also like a loser for being me yeah no I felt like a loser because like I liked her so much

I felt like a loser because I'm myself yeah and not her yeah but then I was like cool that whatever I've done in this life has gotten me like on the phone with Emma Chamberlain yeah for sure and we got Margo in the interview because you guys know you guys Chamberlain it was so funny I don't want to spoil like the big joke of the interview but it's really funny but it's really funny and when i think back on it like i laugh me too because i also think that's something now i'm like don't worry okay but i also think that's something that we do a lot when it comes to snitch yeah and we have to realize how it sounds yeah and emma chamberlain like fully put us in our place and for that i'm so grateful to her yeah you guys are gonna love the interview she's so cool and make sure you check

out her new book which is now available it is a planner oh my god it's a planner it's sickening and as like some planner stands ourselves like it sounds like a planner that is everything of the sort and I look forward to getting my hands on it I really do and I look forward to having a plan you know that's not the thing it's like I have a planner I just have no plans but that's why Emma Chamberlain's planner is so great because it's it's made for the days like it's made with with the days in mind where you don't have a plan right it's very diy you don't need to plan one day you don't have to there's not a day there you put it in yourself it's fabulous she'll tell you all about it so check that out check that out the videos on our youtube if you're interested in

that sort of thing but without further ado we have a lot to talk about less I thought that we would, given that we're only doing weekly episodes. But still, I organized some of the stories like subset A and B so I could get more stories, more bang for your buck. You absolutely love a subset A. I love a subset B too. I can't be stopped. But you know what? I really never take it to subset C. No, that, because then it's like make it two stories. Right. But if there's like a theme, and also like for this, like you'll see, I kind of just like did it thematically. Like one theme is pregnancy news. Another theme is Kylie Jenner.

So much Kylie news, by the way. And I have a lot to say. Okay. I look forward to hearing your piece. So without further ado, let's get into the fast five stories that you need to know before you wake up and take a bite out of your morning toast. Guys, before I do that, you know, I've had a lot of stomach issues lately and I went to the doctor and I got a full diagnosis. Is anyone

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Thank you for that. I'm glad you got that off your chest. Yeah, and I'm already feeling better. Love, love, love to see it. Okay, first story. The Ellen DeGeneres Show ousts three top producers, a variety exclusive. The Ellen DeGeneres show has overhauled its senior production team in the wake of accusations of racial insensitivity sexual misconduct and other

problems in the work environment at the long-running daytime talk show three senior producers executive producers Ed Glavin and Kevin Lehman and co-executive producer Jonathan Norman have been ousted from the Warner Brothers distributed syndicated strip following damning allegations raised in recent reports. Veteran producers Andy Lassner and Derek Westerbelt will remain at the show as executive producers alongside Ellen. I don't know. I mean, I'm glad that they finally like did something. It's just been so much talk about them. Now there's finally action being taken. I don't really feel like a this toxic environment can really go away if not everyone at the top has been let go it seems like she's probably just picking and choosing her favorites to stay which is literally what the complaints against her were about like everyone knows andy's her favorite he

literally is the only one who's ever on the show like physically so the fact that she chose to keep him i feel like is reinstating that toxic environment of favoritism right and like harassment right so i really don't have high hopes for like the culture shift there i just think who the fuck would want to work there now i think they're gonna have a hard time literally hiring people yeah i think it sends obviously i think to them they thought you know we'll we'll cut some people we'll throw some people under the bus and that is what happens a lot of the time when there is a big scandal it's like listen we've got to give some names up yeah unfortunately your name has been drawn someone has to go but i feel like

considering the allegations that were against them like this sort of just perpetuates what you think is already happening at ellen and so either she should have worked on changing the culture from the top down. Or completely starting clean. And bringing in new producers. Who just will have a different take on it. Like when you've been working at the same place for so long. Like that's the way that you know how to do things. So I feel like the producers who are veterans.

Who are staying on. You know they don't have any outside perspective. Of like there's other ways to handle your business. And by the way. I think like the big you know elephant in the room is that a lot of that toxic energy and you know discomfort in the work environment stems from the top the top being ellen right so i don't know if we're gonna get a change within ellen herself i doubt that we are i just feel like this is a major band-aid to like a huge problem and in a lot of ways it makes me really sad because like i'm so against cancel culture and i agree that like what happened at ellen is

like wrong but like she's had such an accomplished career and like where do you go from here like the story is not ending we've been reporting on this now for months like it doesn't stop but you know what i actually disagree with something that you said because i actually do think that there might be a change within her after this oh uh, just getting canceled is very humbling. It is. It is humbling. And I think when you see it all laid out in front of you, I think when she's going about her day to day and she's this huge star

and she has all these little underlings and it's easy to disrespect people and then treat celebrities one way and the people that work for you another way. But when you're being called out for it, I think maybe she'll stop. She has stopped and reflected and been like, you know know what that's not the legacy i want to leave she spends so much time like trying to be positive and bringing joy into the world and that shouldn't be overlooked and i do think that is what she wants her legacy to be yeah and i think that for a while she thought that that would be her legacy legacy if she just like shoves it into the legacy box no that's an interesting take but i think if

she realized no no it's be it's more than that and these are the things that you need to do i think she's capable of being a decent person i do because i think that people are capable of change i do too and you know what no matter who you are how big you are to go from being universally beloved like there was like little things people were unhappy with her about but for the most part like she was known for being kind, for being philanthropic, for being a gay icon, like to go from that kind of pedestal to like literally being tabloid trash. It's incredibly humbling. And I have a hard time believing like it hasn't affected her personally. And so hopefully that personal change will radiate throughout this new work environment she's trying to foster. I want everyone to win i'm i mean i'm not like a an ellen stand by any means but like i don't believe in like i don't know i don't know how

i feel about this i feel all over the place like why was she being so nasty yeah no i feel all over the place but i also feel like okay changes have been made i'm hopeful that they were the changes that needed to be made and that the show can have a more positive vibe going forward like but like where was hr you know i feel like this is classic hr work responsibilities yeah i don't know i mean maybe the people who work in hr were also scared and facing the same issues that the people complaining that's true that's true no one was no one was uh no there was no one there who could like stand up to ellen or andy yeah so we'll see i mean i'm curious if if when she comes back like is she gonna dress it is she on the air right now I don't know she like was on the air in her house

I don't think she's on the air right now yeah I don't know if she's on the air but the fact that we don't even know if she's on the air just shows that like people just love to talk yeah and nobody actually even cares what happens with the show honestly that's what's so crazy everyone has an opinion but no one's even watching the show agreed and volume us the people watching the show how they feel yeah how they feel true okay next up um this was really the big news of the week i feel like it was a very big week for miley cyrus oh yeah because she was on the call her daddy podcast which is just so exciting for podcasters everywhere and she had her new single drop on friday called midnight sky and i have thoughts on both okay so i have this e-news article biggest bombshells from the interview i

started listening to the interview and it was so good so far i just haven't had time to finish it but i very much look forward to it's so crazy to hear miley on a podcast i don't know if she's done a podcast yet and has she really she was talking about how she really just appreciates the medium because she can just like speak her mind and with tv shows I'm sure even like the late night shows you only get even if it's 10 minutes like that's not a lot to to convey your whole self as a person right you can't get to relax because there's a commercial break and then you have to promote your project it's and then that's why people love podcasting it's a comfortable medium right so i think that she was really into the podcast and and you know that she's like worn call her daddy merch so assume she's a fan of the show

so it was really cool and alex is like a huge miley stan like hannah montana's right like so it was just like the interview that all hannah montana stans have been waiting for so let's talk about the caller daddy interview and then i want to talk about miley's new quote-unquote era i don't really even like to call it that but everyone knows how i feel it's always a new era with miley well so why does it have to be that way because you want to know why why eras are meant to represent albums miley doesn't release albums she just releases singles okay but the last album i think she released was younger now yeah no but also what about the album like about i am she is i oh she's sister's daughter yeah sister mother's daughter she just like keeps like having new aesthetics for songs and then like

never following up on it i mean i've spoken about this a lot of times and i know people don't like my opinion on it but like miley cyrus's singing career is like as fake as mine okay well let's talk about the song quickly if you're just gonna get right into it what do you think about the song it's a fine song all of her songs are like fine are they amazing life-changing no are they genius no do they play once and then i never fucking hear them again yes you couldn't pay me to sing one line of nothing breaks like a heart besides nothing is that even it i don't know that's what i'm saying it's like so much of her music is just like a flash in the pan yeah and i don't know that's what i'm saying it's like so much of her music is just like a flash in the pan yeah and i don't even know like who are her fans like i just her music

career confuses me so much and what's so crazy to me is like i think she's done some of the most brilliant covers yes well okay so she talks about that in the interview that i've gotten to talk about she talks about how this song was different from her and she's known for doing covers and like you know jolene and introducing her to her fans to like these songs that she loves and midnight sky for her is like her writing an original song that is more based in the songs that she covers see that's see that's interesting like to me that is rooted in fact i just like something about her entire and i wonder if it's just me like is anyone so confused i'm so confused i do think that like so she's done a few big like it's miley and it's the real me this time yeah there that bangers was that miley cyrus and her dead pets

was that she is coming was younger now was that and by the way younger now was that wait malibu was that yeah all of these things were that, and now Midnight Sky is that again. But I do think her releasing this song paired with a podcast is so brilliant because Miley really does require this much explanation. Yeah. Because we are the people who are the fans. We are the fans. The biggest.

And we're confused. So it is confusing when every year she puts out new music, she's like, no, no, no, you guys, this is it. But I think that's also a commentary on, you know, her ever-changing person. She's a young girl. Like, I'm not who I was a few years ago. I'm not who I was yesterday. Right.

So every time we do a podcast, it's like, no, this is who we are. Yeah, that's true. That's interesting. I just feel like she works in an industry where every artist is so cemented in their aesthetic in their music in their lyrics and it's just like everything she you could play me a song any one of her songs sounds like it was written sung and produced by a different person yeah but i think she doesn't subscribe to that that like i need to be this pop artist and have this aesthetic and this symbolism and she is just like i'm waking up this morning i'm gonna put out who i am today well and i do i i think it's

confusing for fans because we're so used to like this specific trope but i do respect that she's I'm waking up this morning I'm gonna put out who I am today well and I do I I think it's confusing for fans because we're so used to like this specific trope but I do respect that she's just trying to be herself well that is like that viral clip of Beyonce talking about the music industry she's like nobody releases albums anymore nobody releases works of art anymore people literally just like release singles and then move on with their day and I literally think she was talking about Miley Cyrus oh my god that is so funny yeah so with all that said i think that's why it was brilliant that she did a podcast called her daddy being the perfect one obviously to couple with a new new era yep and here are some of the biggest um bombshells according to e-news uh one of course is she talks about her first time like losing her virginity having sex was with liam hemsworth

but she lied to him and said that he wasn't the first so that she didn't seem like a loser but she actually said i didn't go all the way with a dude until i was 16 i ended up marrying the guy so that's pretty crazy like it is crazy that miley cyrus married the guy that she lost her virginity to because for so long she was like so out there and so like oh like proud of her sexuality and she was bangers like she was wild running around stage and it's like that girl also married the guy she lost her virginity to like you really can have it all yeah no it's just it's not what you would expect but i think that's the point with miley yeah she also talks about her dynamic with women in discussing her relationships with women miley explained why they why the dynamics of those relationships were a better fit quote I think that's what ended up making female relationships make more sense to me because

the role that I was in made more sense because it was like well there's not going to be this weird thing that like I paid for everything whatever that's just like a stereotype too like if I'm going to be with a girl I'm totally down to be with like a boss bitch that's as successful or more successful than me that's cool too but I feel like the women that I end up being around, the role fit easier for me because like even my relationship with men, a lot of the times, I kind of hold a more dominant space. And so it felt like that made it less uncomfortable. That is such an interesting dynamic.

I never thought to like compare gender like stereotypes when it comes to different types of relationships, but that actually makes a lot of sense. And I feel like in a lot of ways liam was like very traditional yeah it was very traditional but i think for the time that they were together it was like she always like that was just like that soul was her it was mutual that soul was her mate that soul was her what mate so oh got it yeah yeah that's interesting she's so deep yeah, she talks about her public breakup from Liam. But also what's interesting is it just came out that her and Cody Simpson are no longer together.

Devastating. Devastating. Obviously not, like, so shocking. I think what's more shocking is that they were together as long as they were. Considering it was, like, kind of a rebound relationship. And he doesn't seem like a serious guy or, like like someone who could hold her attention for that long. No. And it turned out to be like a real big relationship for the two of them. And so it's always sad to see two people break up.

But it's a new day. It's a new Miley. I mean, I can't think of Cody Simpson without mentioning like what we lost in the relationship of him and Gigi Hadid. Like to me, they were perfect together. She was like, you know, a bikini model. She wasn't a supermodel yet, but she was just like this gorgeous blonde bombshell and like he was like this cutie blondie like they were just so perfect and australian together like even though she's not australian do you know what i mean yes no i i do know what you mean um i'm actually really looking

forward to finishing this episode of my leon call her daddy because i'm not really like loving the way he is wrapping it up yeah they're just i feel like they're not getting to like the core of the who she is of the message that was like over what was happening between Alex and Miley yeah and so I just thought it was it was a really big week for Miley last week I feel like she also does this thing where she's just like so ham on social media promotion full stop all the way or like none of it at all so it was one of those big Miley weeks and we love to see it something interesting that Miley tweeted before her quote-unquote era started was that she quoted she put up a clip like the new era is coming like this basically like this video sums it all up

and it was like a 45 second clip of her music video for a start all over and I guess now I'm like understanding she's starting all over yeah oh but you thought probably at the time that it was going to be like really similar to the song start all over which by the way not only was the song but the music video like really is emblematic of my childhood oh my god for sure and that was such a good song yeah such a good song there's so much good Miley in the catalog and I really do look forward to the catalog expanding of course you know and I also I thought Alex did from what I've heard so far, a really great job with the interview. She really, like, can and is becoming, like, sort of a female Howard Stern.

Yeah. And I think it's very exciting. Fabulous. You'd love to see it for the medium. We'd love to see it for the medium. Okay, next story, some interesting hosting news. JoJo Fletcher will temporarily replace Chris Harrison on The Bachelorette after he left the bubble. Can I just say, like, the way people reported on this initially, like, was so misleading. temporarily replaced chris harrison on the bachelorette after he left the bubble can i just say like the way people reported on this initially like was so misleading like yes of course that

chris harrison has been fired and jojo is now the chris harrison of bachelor name no it's like he needs he's going on break and someone needs to fill in like it's not a big deal yeah sources confirmed to e that since chris left the set to take his son to college i believe he will now have to quarantine upon return and jojo will temporarily replace him as host on august 11th chris posted a picture of his son um at texas christian university and so i guess now jojo is stepping in while he quarantines which is a very interesting choice not one which i would have predicted she might have been number 15 on my list of predictions who would you have chosen oh i feel like there are so many like real not that she's not a real

host but there's so many people who do hosting as their full-time job podcasting i was gonna say rachel lindsey too um ali fedotowski caitlin bristow right there are so many people who host even jordan rogers that's what he does as his job nick vile would actually be an amazing wells yeah yeah yeah like they're just they keep coming and jojo to me like and i also feel like she's kind of checked out of bachelor world right now so for her to go back at like the top job was just not what i would have expected for her but i i i'm not mad about it it's just a little bit of a surprise but we also love a surprise yeah i just like hate the way people report on things these days like i'm so sensitive to it and it's like how fucking misleading is this yes no i'm so sensitive to it oh like chris harris inspired like no he's taking his kid to college which is

so cute i legitimately forgot that he used to be married and he probably has kids yeah and like they're college aged crazy crazy um okay next story a little fashion drama i'm obsessed with this story lala kenent is calling out designer michael costello for refusing to make her wedding dress lala kent is speaking up in the defense of kylie jenner okay i'm not gonna lie 2020 has been a really tough year for me but that sentence just fixed it all that sentence has done like more to repair my mental health than than so many different things could have i'm thrilled that lala kent could do that for you. And millions of Americans. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Of course not. The Vanderpump World star called out fashion designer Michael Costello for refusing to make her wedding dress because she is not a, quote, big enough celebrity. What a clown, this dude. I literally blew him up to make my custom wedding dress. He would have gotten all the tags and ads he's talking about, but I never heard back from him.

Why? Because I'm not big enough. So cool outello you do the same shit so she was commenting in reaction to Michael Costello slamming Kylie Jenner for not tagging and adding all the different small brands that she wears on her Instagram but she tags you know Balmain and Olivier every single time that she wears him uh we also know that Kylie has had like collaborations with Balmain and a very deep friendship between the families and he was just he like wrote a really long um caption saying thank you Olivier for the perfect b-day dress and thank you to the no-name designers who work tirelessly around the clock on custom looks who she won't tag mention or at unless it's paid he added that he was not speaking

up for his work as kylie only wears something for me once a year and i'm lucky if i get a decent pic to post well you'll never get it again yeah also she doesn't work for you like you want to pay for a post pay for it you send her something with good faith hoping she posts it's not her job to go and find the right light for a picture for you to post. Kylie Jenner's wearing your design. Congratulations. That is the cornerstone of this conversation being had when it comes to influencer marketing. You can send the biggest celebrity in the world a box, and just because you got in good timing, they happen to be in a good mood that day,

they'll post it, whereas they actually normally might have charged a brand $250,000 to do that. Kim sometimes randomly posts all these random shit. She gets makeup from L l'oreal and i don't think that that shit's paid i just think it's like a gesture of good faith right so but when a celebrity doesn't do it you send them something for free and they don't post about it that's fine too right there's nothing wrong like that that you sent them something for them to have like if they want to post about it that's obviously amazing and it's going to do great things for your business. And like fingers crossed that that happens. But when they don't, you don't need to hop on and shame them.

Don't send them stuff if you're not okay with them maybe not posting it. But by the way, if you send them something and they love it, of course at some point it's going to come up in their routine or in the background of a story. And you will get that love from them. Not even that. It all comes out in the wash. And you will get that love from them. Not even that. It all comes out in the wash.

What you don't, I feel like Michael Costello and maybe other people who agree with this are failing to recognize that while Kylie might not post on Instagram a picture of the dress you gave her, it's very possible she wears it out to an event. And that exposure is just as, if not better. Kate Middleton doesn't have Instagram where she tags what she wears. But almost everything she wears is sold out immediately because it's in the Daily Mail right it's like instagram isn't the end all be all be all for designers and i think that while maybe you don't get everything you want when gifting something to a celebrity like there are huge benefits and you make that decision like you if you're sending something to a celebrity and you have to have low expectations either get in the gifting game or get out of it i agree because

you can't send people this stuff with this expectation because that's not how it works and also when kylie wears something doesn't tag the brand that she's wearing and people love it like the fans figure out in two seconds where it's from the link and it sells out anyway so she doesn't need to physically tag a brand in order to blow them up so like he's getting so crazy over this minutiae and i like i i just think it's people love to like come for celebrities for doing this sort of thing and to me i don't see anything nefarious about this like you sent her something she liked it or she didn't like it she posted it or she didn't post it don't send and i feel this way just about people in general don't send something because you're looking for something in return. Send it because you want the person to have it. Move on. Also, in many circumstances, I'm sure that Kylie paid for some of the items.

Some of it is definitely gifted. But her wardrobe, she has a stylist. She buys clothing. Once you buy something from a designer, yes, it would be nice of her to tag it. But that's not her responsibility. She's a consumer, technically. Yeah. So, I just. I just don't agree. I guess his argument is that. And this is why it's a consumer, technically. Yeah. So, I just...

I just don't agree. I guess his argument is that, and this is why it's like bringing back to Lala, his argument is that she only tags the big designers and the no-name ones she doesn't care about. But then Lala's literally saying, and you only care about the big celebrities, and to me, I'm not famous enough for you. But Michael Costello responded with a screenshot receipt that proved that they were in communication. Like, they did set up an appointment. appointment so there's a text message that reads i think it's with it's between lala's stylist and michael's team yeah he said um that's great he gave the address to his thing and oh no

this was about kylie lala can't you want us to dress you and we passed you didn't want to buy anything we also confirmed an appointment for you and it was a no-show why are you complaining a whole year later god bless oh he said also please coordinate with courtney my assistant do you need her cell phone number right so that text message is proof that like they were in communication with lala it doesn't prove that he didn't turn her down but then also lindsey chrisley said lindsey savannah okay is there a lindsey yeah the older one okay but savannah said the same thing i'm not that far off yeah i know savannah said the same thing that he wouldn't dress her off. Yeah, I know. Savannah said the same thing. That he wouldn't dress her for the NBC upfronts.

Right, so they're just making this point that, you know, it's easy to throw stones, but don't live in a glass house. Yeah, no, no. Like, if you're going to come out and, like, be so, like, attacking in a comment like this, like, you have to have... You better be perfect. Right. You better have no fucking skeletons in your closet.

And, like, now, of course, all these people are coming out of the woodwork like i could see meco costello not wanting to best dress savannah chrisley or lala kent because he doesn't think they're high profile enough because beyonce one time wore a dress like i could see it yeah i could see it but then if you're gonna have that sort of standard don't be cruel to someone who might also have some similar sort of standard that or you perceive that they have that standard when tagging brands if you're gonna have that sort of standard put your phone down yeah no it's just it was wild and i just i hope that kylie was like who's this lala ken and saw her instagram and called her and now they're like all together and i and i just think it's worth mentioning um that i would bet my life kylie jenner will

literally never wear another michael costello outfit in her entire life no which is a shame because he makes really beautiful stuff he does make make really nice stuff. I own a few of his things. I got them from Revolve. Sickening. Sickening. Oh, also in more Kylie news, this is the Kylie category. Kylie Jenner was accused of captioning her photo, quote, brown-skinned girl. Kylie Jenner was under fire for captioning a photo of herself using the caption brown-skinned girl, but the star denies she ever wrote those words.

The 23-year-old mogul posted a sexy snap to her Instagram on Sunday with the controversial caption before quickly editing the text to say brown-eyed girl, according to screenshots captured by a Twitter user. Kylie's initial caption didn't go unnoticed. Someone said, we saw the original caption. Please show me where and how you are a brown-skinned girl. The audacity is repulsive but jenner took to instagram to say that she never made the caption brown-skinned girl she said she saw online someone photoshopped this photo i posted to change my caption brown-eyed girl to brown-skinned girl i never said this she wrote on her instagram story she furthered that the original caption was just a heart and a star emoji which she

changed to brown-eyed girl a few minutes later that is all she added so this story bothered me for an for a major reason where this story was widely reported on before kylie responded and it's like we're supposed to have faith in our journalists and our newspapers that like they do the smallest bit of research to figure out that this was like a photoshop thing and i just can't believe that it was written up and reported and it was like a hoax like it's so disappointing like how are we supposed to trust any fucking reporter like this is this is a joke like i feel like it speaks volumes and now it's like it was reported as fact and yes it ended up being untrue people don't fucking care they saw the headline and they thought about it and now that's what they think of kylie and now i'm like

reading this article and the whole article is written as if it's true and then at the bottom it's like jenner posted this, like as if maybe she's lying. Yeah, no, it's just it's so misleading. And I feel like it's really like a dangerous precedent to like start reporting on rumors that fans started. Like I see that all the time. Like a fan makes like a tweet. This actually just happened with Kylie where like a fan said that Kylie didn't tag the dress that she was wearing. And Kylie was deleting all the comments of people who were tagging the brand.

And Kylie went on Twitter. She's like, what the fuck are you guys talking about? She has a million comments. You think she's scrolling through and deleting them? That's my favorite one when people are like, you're deleting comments. And it's like, no comment has been deleted. No, it's insane. So it's like a fan started that.

It was a tweet. And then it was reported on that she was doing that. And Kylie, again, had to respond. It's like, why is it on Kylie to do the reporter's job? A hundred percent. I don't know why it, like, frustrated, like, really rubbed me the wrong way. No, that's infuriating. Yeah.

Okay, next story. Another subset. Pregnancy news. Boop-boop. First up, Chrissy Teigen is pregnant. This is like. With her third bebe. She stepped out twice. And we saw two pictures of her belly.

One, she was wearing this bomb-on cardigan and biker shorts, and she looked so sickeningly cute. She looked so adorable. And I'm really, really happy for her, and I think it's cool how she explains, like, she takes a pregnancy test every month, and this was just, like, a total surprise, and I think that they've been struggling recently to get pregnant,

and she just took a routine pregnancy test before her breast reduction surgery which i'm so jealous of like if wearing a sports bra out here in the nature vibes has taught me anything it's that i need a breast reduction no it's so hurtful like so truly so i'm so happy not only did she get like a new rack of titties she also is getting a new baby which is really what what more things could you ask for no it's so amazing they announced the pregnancy in john Legend's new music video, Wild. The video includes a close-up shot of her growing baby bump. This is just like the, every, you know, obviously it's been a tough year. And like there's some happy news stories that just put one little sprinkle on the ice cream comb.

And the way they announced was so cute. We love a partnership with music promoting music. We do. It was a brilliant business move and a wonderful personal life update for the family it really is and speaking of a personal life update for the family um two people's names you never thought you might hear together Chrissy Teigen and Gabby Barrett are pregnant I feel like we wouldn't report on Gabby Barrett if it weren't for Margo like snitch is obsessed with her okay yes but also like I find that Gabby Barrett is maybe in like my top 10 most listened to artists

of this year by the way there's a huge chance that people don't know who gabby barrett is she was on american idol two seasons ago and she was kind of she didn't win but she was a huge breakout star she's now signed to luke bryan's label and she's like a really up-and-coming country and she's married to i was gonna say that oh okay and the most seems like like the most interesting part yeah well the most interesting part luke bryan's the most interesting part was that like some guy she met like in hollywood week he got out before her but they're both like very young very christian like fell in love got married super quick and now they're having a baby and it's just like a real country love story it's a

beautiful love story and her music is really good which is why i feel as though she's worthy of being like reported on on the show next to christy teigen and we talk to her every year at the cma yeah we made her record a video for us at the cma awards she's a real staple of this show and if you are like oh i've never heard of her what's her music listen to hall of fame that's what i'm gonna go with hall of fame she was um like actually a little rude to us this year she was just seemed like she did not want to be talking to us yeah i mean most people don't want can you fucking blame her no no definitely not like it is what it is i'm happy for her and every time and it's also because you know what i'm gonna play devil's advocate oh here we go every time

we talk to her we're like our little fifth or love yeah yeah and i think that's one of the most annoying things you can say to someone when it's like no i don't like you don't get it twisted but my little sister she likes you that's true that's an interesting perspective like it's annoying when people say that to us like But my little sister, she likes you. That's true. That's an interesting perspective. Like, it's annoying when people say that to us. Like, oh, my God, my best friend loves you. And it's like, wait, what about you? Right, right, right. No, you know what?

I never thought of it that way. And I totally hear you when I go with you. And it's like, after three years of us telling her our little sister loves her, she's like, are you ever going to check out my music? By now, you guys will be fans. Oh, my God. That's so funny. But if this finds its way to her i'm

actually a really big fan like when um she's on the quarantine playlist when we were in the car like she's the first song that i play so i'm a big fan happy for the family and now before we get into deer toasters i have a bonus story that's just for claudia that i saw in page six about we're getting into tv recap oh before we get into tv recap yeah that's fine you didn't have to whisper it. I don't know if you were going to cut it out. I just have. This is actually a great segment.

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All right, first up, we are talking about Real Housewives of New York, which was actually a pretty decent episode of the ladies in Mexico. I really enjoyed it. Something about the trips for Rahoni always elevates it because the houses that they stay out are so nice and the trips are so lavish. And that's what we're missing in their home life. Of course, but also because the trips on any housewives are always the best part of the season. And so it's been sort of a random season to begin with. So to have them all under one roof, you know, you don't get to get away with your behavior from the night before.

We're going to talk about it at breakfast the next day. It does bring everything full circle. And people, Dorinda, are starting to be held accountable, which is just music to my ears because... You love to see it. I absolutely love to see it. She is unbelievably infuriating. The end of the episode where at the caves when they're having lunch

and she's acting like an actual sociopath lunatic. It driving me nuts we'll get into all that but i agree it is such a weird season and you know what was so weird is like the night that dorinda couldn't go out to dinner only four of them were at dinner and in other franchises okay if one person seven if one person can't come we're still a full table they were sitting at a four top yeah it was crazy it's really crazy but of course that was the highlight of the episode for me and it was interesting to take out the one variable in the group who's causing all the trouble but also thinks that like she's the grand maestro the moral compass no and she's like the one who planned the trip so she's responsible for the itinerary etc so i guess that gives her some semblance of leadership on this trip but to take her out of the equation and just see how the girls had such

a great and fun dinner yeah without her i was so happy to see that it's true they get along when she's not there making everyone upset and hurting their feelings also the two guys that were there i can't even imagine what that dinner would have been like without dorinda because i feel like she just with yes with dorinda because i feel like she just would have been attacking the ladies for like being sort of desperate and cougary but you know what that is who they are it's their brand they thrive when they're they're at their best and most crazy when they just get to be flirting with some younger guys you you love to see it you really do let's start at the top of the episode with the whole breakfast extravaganza because to me what was so um you know what i took away from the scene was ramona singer's bathing suit she looked amazing and i don't always't always agree with her, like, weird walking around in a bikini with her back super arched in, like, wedges.

Always in wedges. And maybe, like, a hat tucked under her arm. Yeah. She, like, she acts like she's, like, in Portofino, like, when she's literally in her backyard. Which, honestly, I respect. I do respect. But sometimes she just looks extremely out of place. But there was a shot of her from the back overlooking the ocean in her

lemon wedge bathing suit she was like pondering she was pondering life and she really looked amazing and i just feel as though she needs props need to be given yeah and honestly i actually for a second i didn't know who it was it kind of looked like leah oh yeah but she's obviously not there i mean props need to be given for this trip because honestly the women have been looking so run down in new york like their outfits are just they're awful not even like not even like they're trying and it's like not my style it's just like not elevated whatsoever but they all got out their best caftans and their straw hats for this trip and they look pretty good I have to say they do Leah brought some great looks I loved the green bikini and the see-through um cover-up yeah that

was a great moment Dorinda and her versace one piece very fabulous very much enjoyed that now luann's outfits are some of my least favorite but she carries herself maybe it's because she's so tall but with this like grace and elegance that i always just like respect her when she shows up it's like you can take the countess out of the marriage but you can't take the countess out of the woman no it's like you could take the title out of the girl no no you said it was better you could take the girl out of the marriage, but you can't take the countess out of the woman. No, it's like you could take the title out of the girl. No, you could take the girl out of the countess, but you can't take the countess out of the girl.

100%. She really... There's something quite county about her. Yeah, even in her low moments, she really always has this great start. She's really turning into one of my favorites this season just because she's so not problematic and she's pretty reasonable, except for when she lets Dorinda slide. And I know that it's because she doesn't want to go back down that dark dark path because every time she calls it during this she's reminded that she has a mugshot who would do that no it's a terrible

friendship and it's like you can you she can't call during the out on anything because during they just has what she thinks is this trump card that's like at least i don't have a mugshot right but it's like honestly i would argue like what you have is worse which is a bad fucking attitude no you have like all of this footage of you being an asshole totally that's really embarrassing just because Luann got arrested for her drinking doesn't mean her drinking is more problematic than Dorinda's couldn't agree more she was really a wrong place wrong time kind of girl yeah I guess Dorinda just like drinks in her house drinks more privately um my other main takeaway from this episode is that if I'm ever given the opportunity I will turn down a trip planned by Dorinda Medley because she doesn't stop torturing everyone like waking them up in the

morning for the yoga and it's like she made them go out the night before for sonia's birthday and everyone's so hungover and then she won't wants everyone up at 9 a.m and then they drink again and now she didn't go out so now she's waking everyone up to go to the caves and it's like is this vacation can we relax here's the thing and i think most vacation goers need to decide is this an active trip or is this a drinking trip? Because it can't be both. I agree. Because I can't go to the caves hungover.

Leah is a stronger woman than I am, and the way that these women, like, don't get hungover from their drinking, it really is in your genetics, actually. I think, like, actually hangovers are genetically better or worse, and these women are just blessed yeah with these non-destructive hangovers like if i drank as much as these women did i would be in bed until we went to the airport i was like legitimately nauseous watching them like wake up tumble into that caravan with their pillows like it was just awful and during it was maybe it's just that

everything during is doing is bothering me because that meal where she like stumbled into where Leah and Sonia were peacefully working. How lovely is that? And by the way, they were having a really interesting conversation about their businesses. And it is nice to see them in these moments of like having their shit together. 100%. Like Leah's at her computer talking about sales. I would love to know more about Leah's business, by the way, because she is an entrepreneur. I've heard of Married to the Mob.

Like it's a really cool streetwear brand. You heard of it before Housewives. Yes, I heard of it before Housewives. And and it's interesting to see i don't need to see them being hot messes all the time you need to like balance out it's like a work hard play hard sort of thing and no i don't want to see multiple scenes of them working but like there is this question hanging over all these women like where is the money coming from aside from the show so to see a scene where like they're actually doing their jobs being productive and prioritizing other things it was a change of pace and it was interesting and dorinda claims to be like so on team sonia like wants the best for her like wants her to move up 100%

this is actually really important and the way they just minimize what sonia had to do like how long does it take out to send an invitation she's still doing that like leave her alone she's this is something she's passionate about and maybe if dorinda had something a business she was passionate about she could understand but she can't a hundred percent also and then she's like and then she's like oh i have stuff to do too i'll go answer live with kelly and ryan like okay that's what a publicist is for they all have publicists it was just such bullshit such bullshit and she was waking them up in the morning which by the way biggest pet peeve you do not wake a sleeping person like unless there is a fire in the home but whatever waking them up at 8 30 like running around being so annoying trying to get them to be together to

do this yoga and then when they finally get to the table and they are all together she goes and ruins it so it's like do you want us to be together or you just want to bring us together to ruin our good time yeah she was just being so unreasonable like one people need to work first of all like they have to make a living so that's just you being unreasonable and two why ruin a perfectly good like sunrise breakfast it looked so nice and everyone was getting along yeah everyone was getting along like sure not working at the table it's not ideal but this is it's not like they went out to dinner one night and everyone's on their phones like it's an extended trip like people need to find pockets of time to work so that's fine and her saying like but because i do understand the

principle of like of course at the table we have that rule in our house too but like at a certain point when we're on a long trip like people's got to do what they got to do. And her saying, like, I say to Hannah, like, no work at the table. Like, okay, yeah, that's a perfect example. These aren't your children. Stop treating them like it. 100%. And Leah said it perfectly.

I agree. Like, being on your phone at meals is rude. But this isn't, like, an organized meal. They were sitting there first, eating breakfast from the buffet. It was very relaxed, very casual. And then, like, Dorinda being sober and being that mean, it just like eye-opening she's just the worst so it just set off the episode like a really bad tone for me i really was getting mad at dorinda i'm wondering if everyone else who watches the show or recaps it feels this strongly about dorinda right now

people love dorinda and they've loved her since she came on. And honestly, I despised her when she came on. So I already feel like I'm on a different planet than other people. I agree. I thought one of the most interesting moments of the episode was when Sonia and Ramona were back in their room and they were just gossiping about how Dorinda is the worst. And Ramona suggested, you know, like we should talk to her. Like maybe like, I don't know, maybe she's in menopause. And Sonia, you know, every now and then sonia says something so profound and feminist she was like well you can't say that that's like asking someone if they're in a bad mood because they're

on their period which is like the rudest fucking thing and you know what she was so right and i never thought of it that way yeah no she just summed it up so perfectly and so apt and i'm glad that they didn't go in with that messaging because it would have delegitimized everything that they were trying to say because that is an offensive thing to say. No, it's just so fucking rude. So fucking rude. And offensive to women who are going through menopause. Because not all of them are acting like Dorinda.

No, no. You can go through menopause and not be a beast. Okay? You can be a nice person. Totally. Okay, so then Luann and Leah pick up those guys who were both really cute. Obviously one was cuter than the other. But the other one was still cute compared to some of the things they usually bring home things

no yes agreed compared to some of the people who like stumble into the house at night yeah they were both above average very very cute um and i love that they met them at dinner and i also again loved that dorinda wasn't there it was just not the right environment for her no like she would have just been making so much fun of them it was because i feel like us watching it we're like during this reading the good time dorinda's mean so to have like literal an example of that variable taken out and showing that they're having a blast even though they did have a blast but the night before for sonia's birthday party yeah but yeah yeah but still but dorinda like controlled the whole event that birthday party was fun but it was like dorinda's it was supposed to be for sonia but

dorinda was controlling everything she was yeah she just bothers me so much but yes, I agree that it was way more fun that she wasn't there. And I have to say, I have been to that restaurant in Cancun. It's these two restaurants. Portofino is where they're at, where we're at. And then Harry's next door. They're amazing restaurants. Like if you're ever in the Cancun area, go. Because some of the places they go on Housewives, it's just like restaurants that will let them film.

And it's not always like the best or the prettiest or the most delicious, but it's such a good restaurant. It was really making me, me and Ben went there. We had a fabulous time. No, it looked really, really good. The women were obviously being embarrassing, like standing up and dancing. And then that other guy stood up and danced

in the middle of the restaurant with the mariachi band. Like I did feel like a lot of secondhand embarrassment, like just for the people around them. Yeah. You could see everyone in the background, like staring at them.

But I also do like that they don't give two fucks. Yeah, no, it's admirable. And like, I feel like when you're on the show so long and like literally people just like stare at you you're a spectacle everywhere you go like little restaurants in small mexican towns like you just start to not give a shit yeah and i do think a lot of the women think very highly of themselves and and they they see it's very like voyeuristic like these people are watching us perform yeah and we're being filmed and i think you get you have this sense of like we are the performers like we don't we're not like gonna judge ourselves the way an

average person sitting at a table dancing might yeah no that that night just honestly looks like so much fun and all the footage they had from late night that they didn't run but they kept flashing back to like liam making out with that guy was just like that's what it should be no that's what a girl's trip to cancun when you're all single should be about now i'm just sad like no one hooked up with the other guy no he was cute he was fine like i was older obviously leah's getting the hottest one like i don't know what's the confusion no i know i feel like in a lot of ways they like like leah but for that reason like there's always going to be something about her they don't like because they used to bring home guys like maybe luann or ramona would get him but now it's obviously leah's yes but I also think they like they have a complicated relationship with her because they like having her

around she brings up the group yes she's bringing that guy in from the beach I don't know he if he would have followed Ramona and Sonia totally you know so like when Ramona walked out and there was like two guys there and we got to see we got to like watch her realize what was going on and like her being so excited it's those moments where it's like she's everything you know and it's those moments where like you really can't hate her that much because she just went from being like she was obviously like in a bad mood till she walked outside and literally her life lit up yeah lit from within she was lit from within and it's like she knows that everyone says this stuff about her like ramona's in heat ramona's a cougar

and someone with more self-awareness would pretend to be less excited when there's young guys around, you know, just like to try and change the narrative. But no, she is who she is. She's unapologetic. And then it's fucking hilarious. I was with her the whole episode until they like randomly decided to take the opportunity to ambush Dorinda after the caves.

And first of all, the caves, like, that just did not look like my ideal day. Like with the rappelling and the long car ride and then like the lunch at a picnic table, it just, like, Dorinda is doing the most, and she needs to stop. Well, according to her, she needs to get them exhausted

so they stay out of trouble. But meanwhile, you are the trouble. She needs to look in the mirror and say that. Yeah. Get me exhausted so I stay out of trouble. So when they sat down for lunch, I mean, I could not literally fathom the hypocrisy of Dorinda. Okay, by the way, i totally understand it's very

different taking a phone call from your daughter you always pick it up would it have been like slightly more respectful to stand up and leave the table yes but she didn't once she was on the phone and found out no hannah wasn't in any trouble she just needed to hear this thing about her new job congratulations she just kept on and like that's where i feel like the daughter card is yeah it's no more yeah also take a phone call from your daughter you should leave the table if you're not gonna leave the table and you're gonna be rude don't put her on speaker i mean that was weird too like the whole thing the whole thing was so rude and then her and also just like if people are telling you like hey can you take the call

away from the table like it's not an opportunity to just like attack attack attack she cannot have one thing said to her that's even slightly offensive because she just fucking blows up and that's why i think ramona handled it so poorly and sonia said it best she was like what is ramona doing with these crocodile tears she's literally ruining our whole plan she's taking away from the message which was on point but the dramatics and the hysterics are leaving it room open for dorinda to like make fun of her make fun of and the situation and delegitimize what they're trying to say even though everything that they're saying is completely right like Dorinda does go from zero to 100 and doesn't let it go maybe like she used to and it's also happening not just when she's drunk and when she's drunk she doesn't even

apologize anymore so the alcohol is not even an excuse anymore people have let her get away with stuff for so long that she doesn't even know what saying sorry is like yeah literally in her soul she's incapable and even though i would have liked to see leah jump like yes a test to what she has seen i respect her for not i do and if it wasn't dorinda she was defending i would i would have like and i do have like a lot of respect for her not jumping on the bandwagon it's very very, it's very Dorit and Denise style. Yeah, it's so easy to like just go with the majority and just like say whatever fits the narrative. And I respected her because even though she knows Dorit is kind of crazy, Ramona has been really mean to Leah. And Dorit has had Leah's back through all the Ramona bullshit.

So for her to just like take the other girl's side and jump on Dorinda would be so like inauthentic and honestly not very Leah but Leah is so smart and well-spoken that some of the women like they've they're so messy when trying to get their point across they could have used her voice yeah it would have helped get their message across which I think was what Ramona was trying to say like we needed you back there yeah but Leah's just not that kind of girl and I do have to respect that. Me too. Even though I would have loved to hear her chime in as well. I mean, but that behavior from Dorinda, like laughing with a cell phone,

walking back to the car, being an absolute sociopath, like that to me, it's like the worst type of person. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like refusing to hear what anyone has to say about you, like thinking you are so fucking amazing and great,

like no one can critique you. Like it was just so frustrating. Like your friends are upset at you even if you don't agree with them you don't hear them out no she doesn't no she doesn't she really doesn't but i think that kind of goes for all the women like ramona has that style ramona's not evil like and doesn't say really evil things like she says things that are messed up but like she's not trying to hurt she just is like speaking her mind like when dorinda says something mean like she's trying to cut you down i mean when ramona says something mean it's like an accident for her you know well she makes it seem like an accident i don't know if it actually is but no it's like she didn't know

in her head that that was a mean thing to say well to me like i couldn't believe there wasn't more of an uproar from the audience like the bravo audience and even the other women when she when dorinda made that absolutely vile comment to tinsley about having a turkey baster baby yeah which is i think one of the most offensive things i've ever heard on housewives it's like and everyone laughed and just like like justice for tinsley no wonder why she ran from that fucking show dorinda was so evil to her yeah no i agree and now she's turned it on the other women and maybe someone will stop her in her tracks because now it's it's at their door and you know what maybe if they had put dorinda in her place when it came to tinsley earlier of course maybe now she wouldn't be they wouldn't be her next victim of course

that's always how it goes so it's actually quite complicated now there's different alliances but overall i think it was a decent episode it was a decent episode but we've got to get shit together for next season like we need three new lias and we need to just change the narrative of the show. Because now all of the women are big stars. They've been on the show for 10 years, and they're stuck in their ways. And they're not going to be told that what they did was wrong, and they're sure as fuck not going to apologize. And that's not a productive season of Housewives. It's not like how the Housewives ecosystem works.

So they've got to switch it up. But it'll be interesting to see the reunion. I really hope there's a lot of accountability for dorinda because it's really infuriating to watch someone act this way well the good news is that since it's been such a lackluster season tinsley will not be joining the reunion there really isn't a lot to talk about at the reunion she is i saw on her instagram she was at ohika castle oh i mean i'm just like so beyond that i literally forgot whatever all i'm saying is that not a lot happened this season that they could fill a two-part reunion with. Like, I feel like they have to devote a lot of it to Dorinda.

Yeah. I hope, at least. I hope so, too. Well, I liked it, and I thought it was a good episode. I thought so, too. Okay, let's talk about Beverly Hills. The ladies are still in Rome, and we're just getting so many more looks, so many more moments. It was a good episode.

Honestly, I'm getting to the point where I'm like ready to china this whole conversation oh of course i'm ready to china this whole conversation i thought you were going to say you're getting to the point of ready to get back to the 90210 well that too and it's like yes the trip i feel like we've gotten as much as we can out of this trip we've squeezed all the juice out of it the ladies have lost steam in themselves you can see like our cell leaving the restaurant to cry i know and i'm sure all the ladies like girl i've been there season one my first season no my first trip yeah my first trip i miss my kids too this is insane like it's insane like erica in hong kong like yes she broke down crazy so i totally get that but it's like i feel sad that they're leaving rome i don't want

them to go home but like i'm ready to go home and deal with you know we can only deal with this conversation as much as we are in rome in like this isolated place obviously they need to bring Brandy back into the equation which I don't agree with um so I'm sad that Rome is over but I we got so much out of it I really can't complain yeah no I agree I'm I'm ready like I was like enough with the Rome like let's get back to business but it's just frustrating because I feel like towards the end of the episode we made a lot of progress in dropping this and then for the preview for next week it's like we're back in Beverly Hills Brandi's at the baby shower even though she's not friends with Teddy like right it's just so stupid it's as if Rome never happened it's as if you know Kyle and Teddy had that conversation with Brandi and then

the next week they're at the baby shower and they're talking about it with Brandi again well so this theory rumor that I don't want to give too much light to because I don't know if it's true that that scene at Kyle's house with Teddy and Brandy was actually filmed after Rome that actually might make sense if you think about it it might the only and for me it doesn't change that much except to say that when Kyle and Brandy Teddy first heard about it that if it was off camera that meant that they didn't have to bring it up in Rome and like that is just so mean that they did if they didn't have to if it really was filmed but they obviously knew that she had something to say before they called her over to Kyle's house so I don't think the whole thing was so accidental so natural or coincidental and so for me like I really do feel like them bringing brandy as a source as to what

denise said about the other women what denise does in her personal life is just out of bounds for what the show is about i agree and we've spoken about that a lot like what is considered fodder for the show what is not and gossiping about your co-workers to a friend does not consider doesn't count having sex with your friend doesn't count either no like and also if your husband is having cheating rumors that doesn't count we've made that clear yeah your husband's having legal issues that doesn't count we've made that clear yeah so i think the the women they they went below the belt considering the belt is really fucking high for them usually yeah and that's like last season when camille was just going after to read for her money problems and literally every

woman at the table the second it came out of camille's mouth every woman was like whoa whoa we don't go there chill chill chill and it's like where is that energy no that energy is completely gone so let's get into the episode we started with a continued dinner the second dinner in Rome where they're talking about the rumor yeah that room I mean that dinner was pretty brutal for Denise honestly like every Lisa was really like on her high horse and everyone they were just making no goddamn sense like they were so offended that Brandy said um that she had sex with a bunch of the other women according to Denise like they were so mad that Denise said that when that's literally what they did yeah yeah but they think that Brandy's telling the truth which is so confusing because Rinna said at one point like I don't know what to believe but we know rinna and brandy have a really terrible past terrible

and rinna and denise are friends for like 20 years so i don't understand what part of this is confusing for her oh you know who has a worse past than rinna and brandy kyle and brandy right so all of a sudden they they trust brandy as like this truth sayer she's the truth serum she's the truth serum but they have real good friendships with denise but like i don't understand and denise said this like why is brandy's word stronger than mine i do think that a lot of like between all the different things denise said at all the dinners like there's inconsistencies and i don't she's lying and sometimes i like a housewife who like i know won't tell a lie do you know what i mean and like you once you tell a lie you do lose that

credibility and everything that you say is sort of you know we're gonna? And like you, once you tell a lie, you do lose that credibility. And like everything that you say is sort of, you know, we're going to take it with a grain of salt and we'll need proof. And Denise doesn't have that anymore. Like she definitely doesn't always tell the truth because, but then also she tells the truth in her confessional. And it's like, honestly, watching the two back to back, it's fucking hilarious. It's like, yeah, I'm going to say whatever I need to, to get out of this dinner unscathed. These people are annoying me.

Oh, and here's the real tea when i'm home comfortable in my house three months later yes i agree sure her lying is so messy and while i think it's funny it gives teddy and the other women like but you said that last night and then last night you said you never spoke to her right and then it undermines her whole story but then when she said the thing about erica and she said like i never said that about erica i swear on my mother's grave to me that's like okay maybe you lie sometimes but you're not lying if you're saying that of course and if she said that why didn't they just drop it no and the women would not accept that they're like whoa don't say that okay wait why can't she say that if she's telling

the truth right you know so like that's the thing about being a liar is like everything you say no one will believe anymore but i do feel like if you swear on your mother's grave someone should believe you unless you swear on your mother's grave once and it turns out you were lying yeah but can i just ask swearing on your mother's grave like if if the mother's dead isn't that like a like a victimless crime you know like like if you said i just said i swear on my dad's life my dad's dead so okay no no no but like if you said like i swear on my dad's life like that those are heavy words though like you wouldn't say of course like why bring my dad into it right why bring his life or his grave his legacy yeah and also it could mean like chaos for the grave if you're lying oh right like burning in hell or

something totally okay yeah no that was she she went far but still like nothing she said the woman would have believed her it was just a frustrating like conversation the only one really sticking up for her was garcelle and garcelle was really being the hero of the episode for me in a lot of ways. Except I did have a problem with one thing she said, which I'll get to. But I just loved that she spoke literally for the first time at that meal. And Kyle immediately cut her off. Which is, I know I'm the pot calling the kettle black. But I'm not on TV.

And it is so annoying how literally someone starts a sentence and Kyle's literally up their butt. And she never lets anyone speak. And Garcelle straight up called her out out she was like let me finish and she needed Kyle needed to be put in her place yeah I agree Garcelle is the friend that everyone needs and Garcelle's faith in Denise like makes me have more faith in Denise and it's like I even if Denise is lying like I feel okay about supporting this liar because the way she's being treated is unfair and it's like it's like even when you know um i'm trying to think of like a proper analogy but like sometimes it's not the way i'm not gonna be able to articulate this like it's not the message

it's the delivery you know of course at the end of the day i think we can all agree denise is fully fucking lying but i think the way in which all the women ambushed her and set her up and spoke about this thing that was off air, below the belt. For me, it exonerates her. Like, I don't give a shit that she's lying. These women are just being so mean. And they just don't fucking let it go. And they keep saying, Denise isn't letting it go. They're not letting it go.

Yeah, they're not letting it go. It's going to come up at every single dinner when she finally tries to put it to bed like then it's like we didn't get to talk you talked all night oh no you talked all night that that meal was frustrating because like finally denise speaks she literally didn't say anything at all these meals and then the last one she finally says her piece and she's not letting anyone speak she's silencing the group like are you kidding and you know what the group cares more in my opinion about finding the truth about brandy more so than the the truth about the gossip like they don't even care about the shit she allegedly spoke

about them like teddy and erica they care so much about finding the truth about the sex and that's so fucked up because it's none of their business yeah no i actually kind of feel the opposite like they also care like they think that if the sex part is true right it means that what she said about them is also true but here's the thing and i actually don't think that that's the case because the way denise explained it like brandy said they seem like she just agreed which technically doesn't make either of them a liar because yes denise did not say those things but brandy's not lying either and i actually think that's might have maybe what happened like brandy was just like talking about the women with her

denise like yeah yeah like who why are you gonna defend like teddy to a stranger right when it's like I'm just getting through a conversation no also I genuinely in my soul don't think that Denise gives a shit enough about any of these women to like start talking shit about them like these are people she works with I don't think she thinks too hard and long about them that when she's off camera in her free time she's spending time gossiping about these women who she's known for less than two years no but I do think Brandi does of course because Brandi's whole life is the show. Right. And she's not even on it. Yeah. Then they move over to the club and like things get so weird. And Lisa's like, does anybody want to air anything out? And Garcelle brings up what I think was like one of the most inappropriate questions. And like, I just didn't get why she

said it or what the point of her saying it. And she like asked a question without an actual question, basically just stating if Lisa thinks that that lisa dancing on instagram with her body out on you know in bathing suits has contributed to her um daughter's very public battle with anorexia and like whether or not anyone thinks there's validity to that like i just thought it was first of all so random like what are you talking about and two um like kind of really fucked up okay i get why you think that and i don't feel as strongly about it as you do because i feel like the women keep saying let's be honest let's be honest how do you feel let's have real honest conversation so garcelle brought up something that she has feels has a question

about she was being honest and yet it was kind of like offensive and not totally pc pc um but she was being honest so do you want everyone to be honest or you want everyone to be non-offensive that's fair i just like i think arcel is better than that like i have high hope like i hold her to a high standard like okay but think about it from this way like arcel comes into this group i think she's making like a decent friendship with rena but she does have this lingering question about her like she does post these videos on instagram her daughter is battling an eating disorder and like this is a person who you're becoming close friends with like and you have this lingering question. And everybody wants you to be honest.

Yeah, no, I'm not agreeing with you. I just think it crossed the line. I agree that watching it on TV, it doesn't feel totally right to have asked that question. But I feel like putting yourself in their shoes, it's, like, not as crazy. I just didn't like it. It rubbed me the wrong way.

And I think Garcelle can and will do better okay so we shouldn't be honest then we shouldn't be honest we shouldn't be honest about like things that are that we're wondering okay kyle's really like the the queen of be honest no rena is yeah even to read in her confessional was like we just want to have real honest conversations i can't stop no and so no that's what everyone always says be authentic own it okay it. Honest. Okay, but be honest, yes. But Lisa's not lying. No, but it's like, here's something that I find troubling about you, and I'm going to be honest about it.

See, I don't agree. Like, we're not going to agree on this. No, you want us to be honest, but not too honest. Shut the fuck up with the honesty. No, no, no. But, like, if you watch all the seasons back, like, that is the... The thread. The token word.

They want Denise to be honest. Like, so, Garcelle's like, okay, I'm being honest. Here's something that I find confusing. season's back like that is the the the thread the token word they want Denise to be honest like so Garcelle's like oh yeah I'm being honest here's something that I find confusing okay I feel you I just don't I I don't like it I understand it wasn't it wasn't comfortable to watch and like I if I were Garcelle I wouldn't have said it of course but I'm just trying to make you see like it didn't just come out of nowhere in the conversation it felt like that it did feel like that um okay whatever the like that. Okay, whatever. The next morning, everyone splits up into weird pairs,

and the only pair worth discussing is Denise's lunch with Lisa, even though it wasn't lunch because they didn't eat, and they were just sitting at a restaurant with plastic water bottles. I think it was the hotel lobby, which is where you sit on a vacation. It was really interesting. I mean, I've honestly been mad at Lisa Rinna. Me too. I feel she really— Lisa Rinna, you're the bad guy in this story.

100%. When do we get to that line? I don't know. I need to get there soon. Lisa was being a bad friend to Denise she didn't warn her she didn't back her up like literally at any turn she could have helped her friend like she chose not to. No and also Denise is saying like you didn't have my bag you didn't have my bag it's like not only did she not have your back she was going the hardest at you at the table if you don't like it get out of here. You know not only did she not have your back but she stabbed you in the back. She was the one holding the knife yeah it was rena in the restaurant with that knife no it's so true and honestly denise is a bigger person than i am because like i feel of

all the things like teddy bringing this up was like really low but like teddy and denise don't get along teddy doesn't owe denise anything lisa rena and denise have like this lifelong friendship that's like you're throwing it all down the drain. I was really, really disappointed. And I love that Denise forgave her. And I did think that Lisa Rinna was really genuine in her breakdown. Okay. So I loved the conversation. I love that Denise laid it all out there and like,

just let her know, like I'm her, what are you doing? You're my friend. Like you're supposed to have my back. What is this? What is this betrayal? Right.

And then like, I really did like that. Rinna was apologetic and so upset and realizing what she had done but then i'm like sitting there watching this i'm like i'm watching two actresses like yes what yes what is real about this i don't know they're both good actresses i felt like i was watching a soap opera when rena was like what have i done i just haven't been myself lately no i'm like it's literally a script from The Young and the Restless. Yeah, no, it literally feels like Days of Our Lives.

So that part is that's when I'm just like, this is why we shouldn't have actresses on our reality television. It's extremely misleading, but I felt the genuineness. I, the optimist in me is gonna take it as genuine, but the cynic in me is just like, are we

acting? Well, you know know what even if they're acting at least his ability to recognize the fact that she hasn't been a good friend and admit it has to be real that's true like even if she doesn't feel so sorry at least she knows that she was wrong and i do i do really appreciate when someone can just say they're wrong apologize and move on like like we said in our previous recap like during that could really learn something yeah um from this instance and so I will take that but it did I did have this moment of like I'm watching actresses on reality tv are they acting it was meta it was confusing it was confusing so that was like a good meal and I felt good about

it but what I didn't like was that Lisa Rinna then met up with Kyle and Dorit after their sidecar thing to like talk about and the way she portrayed the conversation that she had just had was not the conversation I watched that's not what I was gonna say okay was like she was basically explaining how she feels she's been a bad friend and kyle like was literally arguing against it she was like no but like denise needs to be honest like she was just like trying to revert lisa back into the place she was in last night yeah when lisa k had to come to jesus moment kyle did not she was trying to drown lisa with her yeah and i do think for rena like she is kind of a sponge and so when she's talking to denise she sees denise's side and she's there

and she feels it and then she's talking to kyle and she's like oh yeah well she wasn't honest and she's there and she feels that too kind of like how she described going to all those different churches with the families on the street that is literally what she's doing she does what's popular yeah she just is like wherever she is there she is Whoever she's with, that's who she is. She's like Cameron Westcott from Dallas who just nods every time someone's talking to her. So, like, it feigns agreement. No, but then Cameron Westcott doesn't go out and pick up the bat and start swinging. No, of course not.

She's too classy for that. No, but she just absorbs it all as a, but, like, she doesn't regurgitate the information. Yes, you're right. Lisa's easily persuaded and and like um her mind is easily molded by others yes but then she also is such a force in the group so it is this interesting i guess not one person has ever just so one-dimensional yeah you know and she can be all of those things but we finally get to the dinner like them talking about going to eat pizza and then like getting dressed up with their pizza looks and that authentic italian restaurant was

giving me life i absolutely have this like overwhelming desire to go to roma yeah you know roma backwards is amor it's beautiful that means love claudia it does yeah thank you i know you're from new jersey yes i don't know that um but i need to go to roma i need to go to that restaurant like i need to sit at that table and i need to eat that pizza drink that wine and that's really like one number one on my travel list for when we can go places yeah I also need to go to the restaurant that um Dorit and Kyle ate at after their sidecar thing and get the spaghetti that Kyle was eating the pomodoro it looked so good that pasta looked insane I actually think it might have been at their hotel like the restaurant at their hotel because Rinna just like walked in maybe yeah um also Claudia

and I when we were watching together like we were dead over church oh my god that was so precious that like church was just the answer to all of their quandaries and you know we speak about that sometimes how it's like sometimes you feel so lost within yourself and like you don't know what to do like you just pray no you just like turn to God and he's always there for you and I think that's beautiful unless you didn't buy a ticket previously you can't get in that was so funny how they low-key didn't even go to church but I think the sentiment was there and god felt it right and they they as sutton said it was church by osmosis and i think that they needed to even just at least realize that they needed church it was a big step i really liked the church crew like i liked everything

about that scene uh it was a good day i'd like that even teddy and erica went to the spa together even though like i couldn't find what the fuck do they talk about two more opposite people talking about thanksgiving like that's so relatable soon they'll be talking about the weather no totally in the chef at thanksgiving um but really quickly the only real note i had about the um the final dinner was how like pleased and happy i felt like garcelle like i was proud of denise for finally sticking up for herself and i just found it comical like truly laughable that these women took such offense like deep offense to her calling them mean girls when like they have literally started one of the most like family like life-ruining rumors about denise now they're now pot hi you're the kettle

i'm black um i totally agree and i didn't really understand it but i think that they have the sensitivity to that word because last season like the world called them mean girls about Lisa Vanderpump. So Denise saying that they're mean girls confirms that they were mean girls last season too. And I think they all feel like they're in a really good place with what happened last season and like they were all on the same team. So for Denise to turn it around and be like, no, you guys are mean girls. It's sort of like undoes the narrative from last season. Now with this Denise story, I have a question for you. Of all the women, who do you think has been, like, the most, like, involved almost?

And, like, who's to blame? Like, when Denise says mean girls, who was she talking about first on the list? Say it on the count of three. One, two, three. Kyle. Yes. Okay. Because she's being so sneaky about it.

She's literally become Lisa Vanderpump having Teddy do her work for work for her i agree now let's do number two on the list wait let me think let me think okay one two three teddy teddy actually said it so i guess like she has to be held accountable but i feel like in a lot of ways like teddy owes teddy owes denise nothing agreed but i think when um when think when Denise and Teddy sit down, they can't talk about anything other than it. When Denise and Rinna sit down, they can get to the heart of the issue and have a real conversation.

I do think Rinna is third on the list of mean girls. Yeah. And then I guess Erica and Sutton are tied for fourth. I don't think Sutton's really involved. Actually, it would be Erica's fourth, Sutton's fifth, Dorit's sixth, Garcelle is seventh. Like in the list of who's being the most antagonistic towards her but and i don't think

erica and sutton are involved either but when you're sitting around a table two people are kyle and teddy are going hard at you another is backing them up rinna and erica and sutton are nodding nodding along you've got a panel of mean girls agreed or at least that's how it feels and i think that in the moment they didn't feel like they were being mean girls because they're stating facts as far as they're concerning you know what they they might they might be facts but like by the way this group is very rooted in facts and honesty right but the way that i felt i feel like the way denise felt when she said what are these girls are trying to ruin my life like what are they doing what is the point of this and that's what i get sure it's facts but like are you trying to ruin a woman's life that's a good

point like what is the point of it like they're they're dying on this hill of like the point of finding out the truth about the sex thing is so that we can find out if you did a couple months ago say this mean stuff about me to your friend in private like it just to me it's like the risk is not worth the reward yeah ruining denise's life just so we can find out if for once and for all she did say teddy lives in the shadow of her father's image or whatever yeah whatever i feel bad for denise um i'm looking forward to next week i obviously i'm like dreading brandy coming because like i'm really over this narrative i really am yeah and also like i do want to see brandy and denise talk because when brandy says something i'm like oh my god brandy telling the truth brandy doesn't lie then denise says I'm like I'm with Denise so I want to see the two of them talk and

then see how I feel I am with Denise like and is that an unpopular okay so I've looked at it a little bit since we're not watching in real time I haven't been looking at Twitter but when I was like a few weeks ago I think people on Twitter agree with us but like the women are being mean but we never agree with people on Twitter so like right are we in the majority of the minority i can't tell i think like we're always in the mind we're we are the minority that is who we are and i think that we are agreeing with the majority right now which makes me feel like we're wrong i love that you you like me no i love like agreeing with people it's everything okay but i'm sure people will disagree with us actually i feel like i don't know but then i also feel like a lot of people are just like living for the gossip.

Right. And Denise needs to own up. And this is true. And this is our first season without Lisa Vanderpump and it's just as good. Yes. So, I don't know. We'll see what happens. But it was a great episode.

It was a great episode. Obviously, honorable mention to Dorit's off-white look in the Vespa. I'm so glad they went Vespa-ing and that that look did not go to waste. I've been loving her little flipped hair. Her pizza outfit was also sickening. Sickening. A little Tweety moment. And Erica's pizza outfit was beautiful, stunning, and smart.

And just such a concept. She really is like conceptualizing these looks from start to finish. Hair, makeup, accessories, clothes. Always. It's really something beautiful to see. It's beautiful to see. And also Garcelle's church look. Everything of the sort.

And when Garcelle was walking to church with Sutton in her cute little church look, and they had matching umbrellas to their outfits, it was just a beautiful little moment. I hope they got a photo. You absolutely love to see it. I do love to see it. I love to see an umbrella matching an outfit. And speaking of things I love to see, we must talk about Potomac. If I'm being honest, it was not my favorite episode. I didn't really feel like anything happened even at the

end which is like obviously always supposed to be the climax to me the most shocking moment of the episode was when sharice walked in because they didn't share that in the preview and i was really like shook by it i feel like they did share that charice was coming and yes charice's entrance was shocking but the way that everyone handled her was just like made me so happy i really do not like sharice i never have i don't think i ever will and now that obviously i ride with monique and no place else now i have cause to not like sharice and i just love that monique stood up and walked out because that's truly what you do when you hate someone yeah you don't even fight with them they are not worth your time you will not give them an iota of energy energy and you just get up and walk out and that is how you treat a real enemy like off show yeah off camera and the fact that charise isn't a cast member means

that monique doesn't have to sit down and take it and monique is not about to make her a cast member no not at all exactly i also think that the editing was really on point when Sharice walked in, because for me, Sharice kind of represents, like, ghosts of Housewives past. Like, she was on when Potomac was so new, and, like, I just don't even remember her. Like, she has this ghostly spirit to her, and literally the editing and the music, like, she was Casper, like a ghost, just rolling in the party. And I was just so shocked to see her. I really, that was really that was like the i felt a lot of emotions when she walked in okay because i recently watched all the seasons of potomac like i am more familiar with sharice but like every franchise has a sharice yes someone who was in the early seasons jill zarin who did no jill zarin is like part of new york city canon like she like sharice to me is like technically so is sharice

no no no like sharice is closer to alex mccord where it's like why were you even on the show you were on the show for longer than you deserve to be yes and now you're coming up here and there and and i don't enjoy it alex mccord was here and then she was gone sharice is a ghost who's haunting the potomac streets yes yes i'm trying like sharice is kind ghost who's haunting the Potomac streets. Yes. Yes. I'm trying to like Sharice is kind of like Adrian Maloof. Yes. Yes. Yes. And because when you think of the time Adrian Maloof spent on Housewives and you think of the time Sharice spent on Housewives, it seems like an eternity ago. Yeah. Not for me because I just watched them all. Yeah. But yes, I understand how you feel. But so this is how I feel about this episode because

there's not much to to think but like obviously the main fight of the group is ashley and candace and the way that they're fighting like is reminding me of season one when ashley used to fight with karen and like karen would just say to ashley like you're a child talk to me when you have a child like a kid and you're mature and that's what i feel about ashley and candace now like candace is so immature and now ashley is a mother yeah and she's just like on a different like wavelength and i really do feel like for the housewives who have who are like raising children right now like they just have so much on their plate that they don't like go after every little thing like candace does yeah

ashley seems like so disinterested like if she makes up with candace great if not she like doesn't care it seems like her life is now full of other things. Yeah. And it's no longer a priority. I feel like when she first came on the scene, like, her job was to make everyone like her or be a part of the narrative and, like, cause fights. She was so messy and nitpicky. And she used to, like, air everyone's dirty laundry and repeat things that people said and just start fights and stir the pot. Because, really, that was, like, what she had going on.

Yeah. And now that's candace yeah and ashley has become to me like more similar to karen where it's like i had like ashley will just do anything to protect this child from the rest of the world germ wise but it also includes like this energy of her fighting with people that she doesn't care to fight about also i will say that candace didn't invite ashley to her lame ass one year anniversary party like a party that meant absolutely nothing to her so lame but the fact that ashley invited candace into her home after the horrible things that candace said about her and you and i watched it and we paused on the tweets and read all of the tweets and like if anybody said those types of

things about me like not only would i never speak to them again, but I understand that she has to. But to invite her into her house when she's been nothing but completely nasty, even at the dinner, like, so reluctantly apologizing. And, yes, maybe Ashley has things to apologize for, but you go first, Candace, because your apology is bigger. And it's more necessary. I totally agree. To let someone who has really disrespected you and your family and your baby into your house with your baby is – Ashley's a bigger person than i am but that's also why ashley is a top-notch housewife because she like she's the definition of dishing it out and taking it yeah she goes so hard stirring the pot repeating what everyone said literally people are talking about candace five minutes later

candace walks in now she's like i wanted to tell you what we were all saying about you yeah but then when it comes to her she is very quick to like understand this is the nature of the game and she lets candace into her house and she doesn't really hold a grudge which i think is really respectable she really owns it yeah um my favorite part of the episode of one that made me feel a deep feeling of discomfort was giselle's birthday party on the boat which honestly like i'm rooting so hard for jamal and giselle and like i just want their family to be happy and i find it so so shocking that their kids aren't so gung-ho on their parents getting back together. When Giselle was like, I saw Parent Trap. I thought all kids of divorce want their parents to get back together.

It's a dream. It's a fairy tale. And I totally agreed with her. And that dinner was just like, I was trying so hard to not feel uncomfortable. But it was just so deeply uncomfortable. And I understand that her kids have their like qualms about their relationship but to this day they're still together so i feel like there's something there and i trust giselle i don't think she would have gotten back into a bad relationship no and

like definitely things are going to get better maybe just some growing pains for the family but having to watch it on the show was just like so awkward and you could see that giselle was like really trying to like make it seem like like, good and funny and fun. And then, like, in her confessional, she's like, that was not fun. No, it was terrible. And it looked so nice. I know. And, like, there were a few things that were just so, that just didn't land.

Like, the surprise. Of course, like, at first, when Jamal says he has a surprise, like, is he moving back to Potomac? That's what I thought. Is he proposing? Like, there are so many surprises. Is it Nicki Minaj tickets? So cute. No, he bought them a restaurant which by the way like as a parent as an adult i can realize that that's an amazing gift to a child that's like you know when kanye gave kim stocks for her

birthday like what's a better investment than that right but when you're a kid it's like oh so we're not going to nikki minaj right but you know that restaurant looks pretty fire when they showed us a picture of the inside they look like they have a mean bread basket yeah but that was just like a weird gift to give on tv kids on tv at giselle's birthday and then even when the girls went to the bathroom and giselle and jamal were talking it was like uh contentious a little bit like i can't be happy without you and like maybe they're just getting comfortable in front of the camera yeah but i just thought when giselle and jamal like we're gonna be on tv together having a romantic sunset cruise, it was going to be everything of the sort. Yeah, it didn't give me what I needed.

When the kids got up, I'm like, great, now they're going to kiss. But they didn't even embrace. Yeah, now we get to see them together being romantic. We haven't seen them together since season one when they had lunch as a divorced couple. And it just wasn't what I thought it was going to be. I just need to give props because she looked so amazing. Finally, her outfits you guys. Her outfit on the boat

was top notch and her glam was everything and that almost saved the night. Speaking of an outfit I really enjoyed, I thought Karen looked phenomenal at the baby shower. I loved her blonde curls. I loved her Fendi romper. I think she looked stellar and she from season one and nobody

has had a bigger glow up in Housewives history than Miss Karen Huger. Yeah, no, she did look great. Karen was really quiet this episode. She's only chiming in to defend Candace. And I understand like that's who Karen is. And like Monique and Candace are her closest friends in the group. And like she will never gang up and she will always defend even when like the viewers might think that she's wrong. But that's why we love and respect Karen.

Yeah. And also who looks phenomenal was Monique at the sip and see oh my god the yellow neon dress moment with the bag that sutton gave the women yes beverly hills just like sickening so sickening so stunning beautiful smart everything of the sort has to go record her podcast like a relatable a podcast we love a podcast queen and and her just getting up and dismissing Charisse, to me, is the biggest power move. No drama. Like, literally, just she's there, and then she's gone. Like, I'm not going to even give you a soundbite.

Good day, sir. I said good day. Yeah. I want to talk about Wendy, because it's really tough. I feel like she's coming off as Candace's friend and candace is like kind of the villain and i actually respect her for not just sitting by quietly for getting involved in defending her friend who she doesn't know any of these women she doesn't know the history she owes her friend you know the respect of having her back but my god like i want to like her but every time she

speaks it's about defending candace and so much of what Candace does and says is indefensible. But I did find her home life really, really interesting. Her two kids who I think are twins. I think they're twins. They're so cute. Are so cute. I found her background fascinating. Four degrees. Like insane.

I think there's a lot to unpack. I enjoyed watching her home scenario. Which is big. I find home stuff to be. Home stuff can go really either way. But I really enjoyed her home moments. And big like there i find home stuff to be home stuff can go really either way but i really enjoyed her home moments and that bodes well for her but i agree like we need to get away from candace and it's frustrating because if we loved candace and she was being unfairly ganged up on and this friend came in to have her back love wendy a la leah intensely a la garcelle

and denise yep we would love her but unfortunately like she's going down on this candace ship but she needs her own storyline because when she was at home and removed from the candace situation i was like this woman's fabulous yeah but every time she's in the group setting she's just blindly defending her friend which i appreciate but her friend is so wrong i need more wendy narratives with i need wendy like this wendy and karen thing i know it's going to be fascinating i agree and i understand that these things take time like for relationships to like start to have these sorts of dynamics but this was episode three and i still don't feel like i know where wendy is going to fit into this group yeah and the clock is ticking is all i'm saying like it's not oh like obviously she has time but the clock is starting

to tick it is weird that like that was the first we got one last week a small one but this was like the big her first big home piece for Wendy. And I feel like episode three. Is kind of late. Yeah. I guess. But I feel like now I'm ready to like learn more about her. And now that I know more about her background.

And her home life. I want to like. See more. See how that plays out with the women. And just right now. Even if she's like going to lunch with them one on one or whatever. Like it's just not happening. Obviously like next week.

I mean if I were her. This is what I would do. Which it seems like maybe she does is like go to lunch with karen be like why are you always pretending like you don't know me what's the tea there i need to know and then karen will be like i'm not impressed but why wasn't she impressed of course we're gonna find we're gonna get to the bottom of it and karen's so annoying when she does shit like that you know i know but then she always delivers yeah so maybe she's holding on to some receipt or something about wendy she's just waiting for like the Candace Ashley stuff to blow over.

Yeah. But it's like, I just don't know how Ashley can leave her own sip and see, walk down the street and have a conversation with this woman who called her all of those names with her concubine allowance to buy a Forever 21 bag. Like, I can't. Yeah, I'm just really not into Candace. And I feel like slowly but but surely she just has no alliances in the group anymore yeah and i'm afraid that might result in her not being on the show anymore

because you can be a part of the drama all you want but if at the end of the day you don't have any connections with the women like no one's going to take you one-on-one to lunch like that unfortunately means you're irrelevant to the show yeah but right now she's cool with karen yeah and wendy so i'm not worried about that for her, but I just need to see some character development and stop with these fake storylines. We're going to shop for an outfit for Chris's niece. Chris's daughter.

And while we're here, let's get a gift for Ashley. It's so calculated. Contrived. This is in 2007. We've been watching reality TV for almost 20 years. We're better than this. Make it more believable. I couldn't agree more. Um, you think we're done with the Potomac recap? I think we're done with the Potomac recap. Okay. I just think it's worth saying now that we're officially done with it. We did not mention Robin once. And I think that speaks volumes about Robin's place

on the show. I know, but you know what? I kind of like Robin as like this constant, like I still want, okay, this is what I want from like the robin in my life yeah i don't want any home scenes of her and one agreed i want her i want her to be a friend of housewife truly like i want her to be at the events because like when she does chime in and it's like she's really just a spectator and i actually think she has really good judgment and it's like a good person so i just do like to hear what she has to say i decide she's on yeah like when she jumped in at the dinner for ashley and and candace was like shut up robin shut the fuck up is what she said that's the worst when someone literally tells you to shut up and you're like i'm not gonna

shut up and then you get into like that back into that corner of like i'm not shut up i'm shut up you shut up she's just like it's sad i you know what i know you like you used to not like her and i know i don't like her but i i don't have enough cause to dislike her i have always had a very soft spot in my heart for her one because i just like her friendship with giselle i think it's so genuine and real and two that she has a very peaceful aura there's something calming about her voice but at this point it's like i legitimately forget she's there and that's not good no it's not good i think that your idea of her being a friend of housewife is actually perfect because that's really what she is right now and and i wouldn't even mind if she still holds the champagne glass

like because whatever might live with ballers but she does not get played no even though it seems like every episode she's getting played she's really getting played yeah sometimes like she just brings like this fun energy she doesn't take too much away from the show and she doesn't take anything so seriously like she is she's a great person on a trip yes i agree she's going to go swimming like she's fun yeah yeah i totally agree with you but yes it is interesting that we didn't mention her once not one single time not one single time but next week she's the one who repeats to giselle that Candace called her a monster and like that that's actually we need that's the beef that we need right now is Candace versus Giselle because I do feel like Candace versus Monique it's like

kind of boring one two they're like they're they were too close of friends that now it's like I don't I just don't she Candace says Monique's different off camera and like I can't attest to that I don't know what she's like off camera right and that's annoying when people bring that up yeah so I feel like Giselle is the one who could maybe put Candace in her place which is what she needs I don't think she needs to be like off the show yet or anything but she is just so brazen and I find it to be uncalled for like she really goes hard 100 with every single fight whether it's big or small or she's wrong or right and there needs to be levels like she needs she's the definition of she needs to pick her battles yeah no you can't be like bent out of shape over

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so again that's your toasters at gmail.com if you ever want to write us in thank you to everyone who has and let's dive right in hi claudia and jackie thank you for being the brightest light in my day and now weak you're welcome i love you both so much i need serious help oh i'm sorry my family hates my boyfriend and i don't know what to do. We've been together in a serious relationship for two years. We just got back from vacation and they all literally bickered the entire time and got him on the smallest things like drinking the last beer, eating too many snacks. Oh my, that's so mean.

I love my family dearly and I'm very close to them, so it's breaking my heart. They confronted me saying he isn't nice to me. He gives me backhanded comments. He's cheap and they just don't like him and cannot see me marrying such a person my mom told me specifically that if i continue to date him and she doesn't see him change for the better i should break up with him or she will lose respect for me i'll be honest my boyfriend can sometimes be brutal he's very logical and won't do things unless he's 100 believes in them and he is very opinionated and vocal as is my family i think that sometimes he can hurt my feelings with the things he says.

They're not derogatory or abusive, just small stuff. But deep down, I don't think he means to be harsh. He's 26 and makes six figures, but his excuse for not spending a lot of money is that he's trying to pay off his debt and save for a house, which I obviously respect, even though it can be annoying sometimes. I know he cares about me and loves me, but now my family is making me question everything

to the point that I can't even speak to anyone, and I've isolated myself completely. Am I in too deep to realize what he's doing? How do I tell my boyfriend that my family is making me question everything to the point that i can't even speak to anyone and i've isolated myself completely am i in too deep to realize what he's doing how do i tell my boyfriend that my family hates him i feel like there needs to be a conversation but i don't want it to be constructive and not i want it to be constructive and not mean i just don't know where to start please help a conflicted toaster that's so tough it is so tough but i feel like part of you should like listen to your family like your family genuinely wants what's best for you and is able to see things from a totally like outside perspective and you might think they're being harsh but they might see like really problematic like patterns yeah i think that

you're so close to it that what they're seeing you obviously wouldn't see because you see it through your own lens and i think you really need to process what they're saying and like know that they're seeing something they're not unless you have just a family who likes to start stuff but i think most parents and siblings would want what's best for you and it seems like the things that they're saying are like taking the last beer like in a family when you're just the boyfriend like is kind of selfish and like you should you should ask first and no like when you're still like trying to ease your way into the family, like you do have that sort of decorum.

I mean, that's obviously not a deal breaker. When you're also a guest, you get the last beer. But like him being cheap and stuff and or being mean to you, like if your family is seeing that there, you need to really consider it. I will also say that maybe you consider these things and you realize that you don't see it that way and you love him and he's he's he's great. And you one do not tell him that they don't like him don't you take that shit with you to the grave and you just will have to live there

will be a weird dynamic and hopefully over time like everyone starts to mesh better and i do think that that would happen but it's something that you're gonna have to deal with that your family doesn't like your boyfriend but you love him and you're going to stick up for him and and you think he's a great guy and you just need to be really sure of that to have like the the courage of your convictions yeah because it can be really hard tiresome to constantly defend this person if they're not worthy of your defense i would also just genuinely listen to your family first like be really honest with yourself take that time and and really hear what they're saying. But if you do come to the conclusion that they're out of line

and that is not the reality of the situation, you need to be prepared that it's going to be, like, really fucking annoying for you. Our next year, Toasters, is quite the turn. I'm sorry to, you know, make such a drastic turn, but it's quite shocking. Okay. Hi, Jackie and Claudia. Hi. How you doing?

I'm nervous now. I need help, and I don't feel comfortable asking my friends so please help me. Okay. My boyfriend of three years has generally been someone who prefers to masturbate instead of having sex. I've always thought it was kind of weird but I just kind of shook it off. I was cleaning the other day and found a bag with his sex toys open underneath the pile of towels. I kid you not there was a big dildo in that bag and it has me shook. Why would a boy have a dildo is this weird does this mean he's gay i have absolutely no idea how to bring this up to him and i'm kind of thinking that i shouldn't please give me all your thoughts love you so much i mean a conversation must be had i mean it's one thing if you guys are not aligning sexually in your

relationship but if there's like a whole thing that he's hiding that he's into and he doesn't feel comfortable sharing with you i actually was having this conversation um a while ago with friends about pegging what's up when a girl wears a strap on and does anal with a boy yeah okay yeah and whether or not like you think that that's gay and everyone was sharing their um opinion so i actually think that this is really interesting and so everyone kind of felt like differently about the situation but i don't necessarily feel like that that means that you're gay but like if that is what he's into maybe he doesn't feel comfortable yet sharing that with you but like there is a way for you to participate in that of course if you're comfortable with that so i do feel like definitely a dialogue needs to be had and it might bring you

to a place where like you're going to be having more sex something that he's into but please make sure that it's something that you're comfortable with too and not something that you're just doing to please your boyfriend to like save the relationship yeah but i obviously you know you guys need to talk about this i would also be very sensitive how you approach the subject because he doesn't want to feel like you were rifling through his things or you're being judgmental because he's been keeping a secret it's obviously something that he has a little shame associated with yeah but i don't think it's like because he never wanted you to find out maybe he didn't know how to bring it up to you so i do think that if you guys want

to move your relationship forward and you should be having sex and enjoyable sex for the both of you like this is something that you guys will have to talk about at some point and i think it's good that you found it you should be prepared and and bring it up and also decide if that's something that you would be comfortable with i think it's extremely personal and it would be different for everyone yeah but if you want to get down and dirty do it do it do it fuck them in the ass um those are our dear toasters again dear toasters at gmail.com always we'll keep it anonymous for you feel free to write in i feel like we're very reasonable people i think we are very reasonable people you know honesty is the best policy unless your

parents hate your boyfriend in which case shut the fuck up shut the fuck up yeah um but someone who we don't want to shut the fuck up is our next guest we're so excited please enjoy our amazing hilarious interview with the one and only wonderful Emma Chamberlain. And we'll see you guys next week. Bye. Welcome back millennials and more specifically Gen Zers, because we are so excited to be joined by a true icon and someone we talk about here a lot on the morning toast. The one, the only Emma Chamberlain. Hi, Emma. Hi. Thank you guys for having me.

We're so excited. The pleasure is all ours. It's such a pleasure. And the pleasure really belongs to our little sister. So we don't want to ambush you, but our little sister would literally like slit our throats in our sleep if she didn't like join and say hi. She is literally your number one fan. Hi. I'm not that little.

I'm literally i literally was like you guys really made it sound like she was 11 so i was like this is her nanny oh my god her name is margo we call her snitch and we call her snitch chamberlain she loves you and she just looks up to you and she would like be so mad at us if we didn't let her get in the Zoom. Well, I would be mad too. It's so nice to meet you three. This is the best day of my life. This is the best day of her life.

You crying when you got your haircut in your YouTube video, like I have laughed about that for every day. Since I've seen it. Since I've seen it. Same. Same. Well, thank you for being the guest.

She loves the blonde. Me too. I'm so glad that i finally found a hair color that didn't make me look like um a harry potter character so i'm feeling really good about that you look great i feel like i've been following you a lot in quarantine and i think you're one of the people who's actually thriving in quarantine honestly i kind of agree in the beginning i was like this is awful i don't know what to do, whatever. But now this is like the best thing that's ever happened to me. And I love not hanging out with anybody. And I love the self-discovery and like, I'm learning how to do

my makeup. I mean, it's been good. Like, I don't know. You look good. Thank you. And I get to like go outside, you know, a little bit here and there, like sit in the sun, I guess. I mean, it hasn't been the worst for me. I feel like I'm making it through in a good way. That's good. That's always good to hear. Have you learned any new skills? Well, I have been trying to like, I mean, I've had so much time, right? So let's say when I need to get ready for something, like say I need to get ready for something, like say I need to get ready for this, I'll like take an extra hour to try

and make my makeup look really good. And that's something that I never had the time for before. So that's kind of fun. Besides that, I got really good at Fortnite and that's super embarrassing and I don't wanna talk about that. And then I quit recently because I was like, you know what, I don't know, we need to move on from this. This is not admirable. So then I stopped. But that's about it. I also learned how

to do puzzles quickly. I'm such a puzzle girl, girl. And there's truly nothing more accomplishing than finishing a puzzle. Oh, I know. It's like serious endorphins. I mean- Do you have dogs? You have cats, right? I do. I have cats. You have to make sure they don't pick up a piece in their mouth because don't ask me how many times I've finished a puzzle without the last piece. Oh, that almost happened with one. And I'm not kidding. Luckily, they just knocked it off the table. But I'm serious. I almost was like, mom, can you just take the cats?

Like, I can't. I'm so sorry, but this is, they're ruining things that are very important to me. No, that's terrible. They're still here on my bed now, but you know. Cute. Okay, so you are here. You're launching a new project, The Ideal Planner, which is a planner, but it's beyond the stereotypical, like, you're going to do great today planner, which can be a little, um, honestly sometimes condescending.

And I love that you're taking a different approach to it. So tell us a little bit about this project, how it came to be. We love a planner. Love. Like so hard. Same. Same. Well, I mean, obviously the same cause I made one, but, um, but I agree.

Like I've always just gotten so like cringed out by the planners that you buy you know what I'm saying like they're always so corny and again condescending like the way that they're telling you how to like you know set goals and do all this it's like it just doesn't feel inviting to me it almost makes me feel like I'm a piece of shit. So totally. Yeah. And I don't know why they're all like that, but I was like, you know what? I want to take a different approach. I want a more, you know, comforting and relatable form of a planner so that more people are inspired to plan and be organized and stuff like that, because it's so so important and I feel like it's been one of the staples of my organization routine since I was literally in fifth grade and I just wanted to share that

joy with everybody but I feel like a lot of people are kind of put off by the by the vibe of normal planners so I wanted to create the complete opposite and also put like some fun stuff in it so that it's kind of also like something that you could bring on a plane and like doodle in or if you have anxiety and you want to go sit in your backyard and like doodle in it or do whatever like those are options too so I felt like it was the perfect ideal planner that was kind of my approach I see what you did there well it says it has journal pages custom mood boards boards, puzzles, games, list, corny quotes, cool designs, and silly messages from you. I think that's a great idea. I love that you thought of it with

like planes in mind because there's just never anything to do on a plane. And now I've got a puzzle. I've got a journal. I've got games. I think that's fabulous. Exactly. Thank you. And also sometimes we need to get off our phone and stop playing Candy Crush on the plane. That's my personal opinion. Continue. Totally. Also, you add the days that you want to plan for. So because like sometimes there's days on my planner that are just completely empty and it really gives me shame, shame, shame. I want to make it so that you can pick this back up. Like you put it down for a month and then you can pick it back up and you can like start out, like you can, whatever. It's so flexible. And I felt that for people who are new to maybe using a planner or,

you know, are just, they're not in school. So they're like kind of have on and off days, whatever. Or they are in school, sorry. So they have like summer where they don't need to plan. Right. Well, you know what I'm saying? So it's like being efficient with the space. It's not like any page needs to be wasted.

And I thought that was true. Yeah. I actually sometimes. I know what you're going to say and I do the same thing. I actually sometimes like backlog my planner so that when I look back on it, I feel more accomplished. I also like add things that are so fake and like not real just so that I don't look like a piece of shit who has like one meeting a day. I'm like, take dog for a walk when I like was inside the whole day. Same, same. And like, I'll literally put the dumbest, like, I will be like, take a

shower. It's like, obviously take a shower. God bless. But like, no, I'm, I'm totally there. I, I do the same. That's so funny. Well, you talked and I like that you had it in mind when it's like, whether you're having anxiety and you just like sometimes need your mind to take, you need to take your mind off things. Um, I think part of one of the reasons so many people like love you and your YouTube

channel, and I know I can speak for our sister, our seven year old sister who, um, like loves you and your YouTube channel. And I know I can speak for our sister, our seven-year-old sister who like loves you. I think what, what she really connects with you on is you're so open about mental health and a lot of people your age and even anyone's age is, are not open about it. And I want to ask you why you made that conscious decision to talk about it on your YouTube channel on be so open about it. And has that helped you in your journey totally I have always well actually I wasn't always super open about it like in my real life um I tend to kind of like hold it in whatever but to me talking about it in front of a camera was almost like talking about it to myself which I do literally every day anyway. And when nobody was really watching, you know what I'm saying?

And it was like, my channel was a lot smaller and there was only a handful of people that were tuning in. To me, it just felt like I was talking to myself and I was like, okay, it's easy for me to open up because I don't feel like a lot of people are watching, but also, so it's not like there's all this pressure, but also I feel like if somebody were to stumble upon this video I feel like it would be useful you know what I mean

right and so that was super important to me was like okay you know it's not easy to talk about these things but also if I'm doing it by myself it's easy and somebody's gonna get something out of it so I'm gonna push away that discomfort and I'm just going to do it. And then it became kind of like muscle memory for me where I just started to be super open in front of the camera. And it was not scary to me because I wasn't talking to somebody directly. There was no response. So I was like, this is easy. And then I started to see how actually people really were connecting to it and it was helping them and then now it's just like that's just how my brain works and I do that in my personal life

too now I'm constantly having these open conversations about you know mental health and how our brains are working you know uh with my friends and family more than I probably would have otherwise but seeing how like, you know, much it resonates with people through the internet showed me that like, we're all kind of the same, you know what I mean? We're all, we all are struggling with the same things. When you look at somebody and you're like, oh my God, you know, they have it all figured out. They don't. And I think that, um, you know, once you realize that it's a lot easier to just kind of go for it and just, you know,

have that conversation with everybody and make it fun too. Like it doesn't always need to be super dark and depressing, you know? Yeah. And like so serious. And I think lightening it up is why like a lot of young people really respond to the content you put out. Totally. You're just doing like the most at all times. And I find it so interesting just as like someone who is involved in social media, just to see the different lanes like one can times. And I find it so interesting just as like someone who is involved in social media, just to see the different lanes like one can take. And I find like every time you launch a project or you work on something, it's so deeply personal and it's so different. Like, I don't know anyone who's made a planner. I don't know anyone who launched her own coffee company

and it's all very on brand for you. And I find it just so interesting to watch you. Chamberlain Coffee, which is your coffee company, which is fabulous. I've heard rave reviews. I don't personally drink coffee, but if I did, I would be a Chamberlain coffee girl. Can you talk to me a little bit about how you decide, you know, what projects to take on? Yes. Well, I definitely can't work on something for more than five minutes unless I'm obsessed with it. I get really, really bored and mad. for more than five minutes unless I'm obsessed with it. I get really, really bored and mad.

My team knows this about me and it's probably annoying, but I genuinely, like I have to work on things that excite me. And so I tend to lean more towards like a passion project over something that's like kind of like a super big moneymaker. Like I'd rather, you know, take my time and work on something that's super interesting to me and something that is exciting to me than something that like, I know will like, it's more like these things are passion projects for me, if that makes sense. And I think that that's why they tend to be more personal is because I'm not as concerned about you know how much money I'm gonna make from it or you know stuff like that with

these like more specific endeavors that like you know the planner being a good one coffee being a huge one that's like the biggest one I have going on right now it's like I I want to almost do it for me. Like I, I, it's a dream of mine to, you know, do anything in coffee. That's always been a dream of mine. Um, so that's why once I had the opportunity, I was like, I don't really care about anything else except for making this exactly what I've dreamed of. And that, you know, other elements of it, uh, whatever, I just want to make this something that I'm obsessed with and that, you know, I'm excited about that I would buy and that, you know, I love. And then I can hope that everybody agrees. And, you know, if not, we'll figure it out. But I just do these things

for me, I think. And I mean, I also don't let anybody sway me any different way. Like, you're like, well, you should probably go this direction because this is doing really well right now or this or that. I'm like, no, I don't care. Like, that's not why I work on these things. Like I work on these things because they're like something I'm passionate about. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it's like, create the coffee that you wish to see in the world or the planner that you want to use. And then it naturally becomes an extension of yourself. Totally. That's exactly it. Yeah. She created the podcast she wanted to see in the world or the planner that you want to use. And then it naturally becomes an extension of yourself. Totally. That's exactly it. Yeah. She created the podcast she wanted to see in the world too. A fellow podcaster. We have so much respect for fellow podcasters. We must support other podcasters, podcasters supporting podcasters. And I feel like you're, you're actually like the

perfect person for a podcast. I feel like you just have an interesting take on literally everything, like even the most small minutia. And I think that's what makes your podcast so funny and interesting. And it's called Anything Goes for those who want to listen. Tell us about that. Tell us about the podcasting process. I feel like you have a lot to say. Okay. I don't know about you guys. I know it's probably so different for everybody. I have the most weird strategy, like almost the most kitschy one too. Like I literally have my little handheld microphone thing. I take it into my closet because it like, you know, the noise. The echo.

Yeah. And then I lay on the ground in my closet with the microphone plugged in and I record my episode for probably like an hour. And then every Thursday I record on Thursdays, which is also when I post the podcast. And then I don't think about it again for the rest of the week and try to think about everything, but it, so that I can come up with new things to talk about by the next week. Um, and then that's that. I mean, I, I used to do, so I had two podcasts. I had one that was

called stupid genius that now I like realize was just not the right direction to go. It was like kind of a science-based podcast. And I love science and that was like fun, but it just didn't work because it didn't have the legs that it needed to have. And I ended up loving the podcast format so much that I was like, I want to make something that literally I can talk about whatever I want and like do whatever I want. Almost like how my YouTube channel is because my YouTube channel has no structure. It's just whatever I want it to be that week. And I was like, why am I not doing that with my podcast? So I basically just turned it into that where I just do whatever feels right that day and talk about whatever feels right that day. It could be stories, advice. I might eventually have guests on. I don't know.

I kind of hate that idea, but also we'll see. I kind of like it to be my therapy time, but whatever. But yeah, and I mean, I love it. Like I really love it. And this new format with anything goes so much better for me. And I just love to shoot the shit for an hour and then see what it edits into. And then, yeah's it's great and

I feel like it's a more intimate thing for me with with the yes you know it's very easy to get personal like in your closet when you're wearing no makeup laying on the floor and I think that's why podcasting is such a fabulous format and why it's so popular is because you say things you would never say to your friends you would might not say on your YouTube channel. There's just like a real level of calm and like there's a therapeutic nature to it. Yeah. And the amount of talking that you have to do, like just allows you to get to the heart of the matter. You know, you can take your time with things. Totally. Yeah. Okay. So the ideal planner is out now. You can buy it on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, anywhere you buy books, make sure to get it. if you're tired of being judged by your planner, which I know I definitely am because today's just

not the day I'm going to achieve my goals. It's not. And that's okay, Emma. It's okay. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Emma, for being here. I mean, I'm sure you guys already do, but follow Emma on Instagram, YouTube, and check out her podcast, Anything Goes. Oh, wait. Thank you for reminding me because I wanted to talk to you about TikTok TikTok. Oh great. I'm like the oldest person on TikTok. Um, and I'm also like the worst at it. I have only 85,000 followers and like it kills me. And you like have really successfully converted your following onto TikTok. Honestly, one of the most successful I've seen, like major kudos. I'm like so jealous and happy for you. Can you talk about that? Was that like an intentional thing? Did you

just like fall into TikTok and you loved it and you wanted to be creative or did you strategically be like, I'm going to be the next biggest TikToker in the world? Literally no. Like for me, TikTok was something where I re-downloaded it because it used to be Musical.ly. I re-downloaded it. I was like, I have no idea what to do do here I just started watching them and then I got obsessed with watching them and then eventually I was like okay I guess I'll make them and in the beginning it was just so traumatizingly traumatizing to say like I can't look back at my old TikTok that literally hurts my body um but then I just kind of like started having fun with it and to be honest there was no thought process behind it I literally just went on the app I was like this is

what's popping right now I'll check it out whatever it's kind of part of my job to kind of know what's going on so I guess I'll go on there I ended up really liking it and then now I just use it honestly as like kind of like a fun little you know it's there's it's not a lot of pressure you know what I mean it's not like with an Instagram photo where I'm like this outfit better be crazy fire um you know whatever or like with my YouTube where it's like this editing better be the best like it's not I don't have those thoughts with TikTok it's so mindless and that's why I love it um but it's also fun because I feel like the community on TikTok is so like intimate and everybody like everybody's in on the same inside jokes. And that's why I kind of love it, even though I also kind of made it kind of an evil platform,

but whatever. But yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'm happy to be on it. And I literally can't wait to watch your TikToks after we're done with this. Thank you. Oh my God. Emma, if you follow me on TikTok, I'll literally die. Also, can you agree that there's something really humbling about like watching yourself me on TikTok, I'll literally die. Also, can you agree that there's something really humbling about watching yourself dance on TikTok? Oh my God. When I look back at my old videos of me dancing, my friend and I used to dance and we would like, I was a cheerleader for like six years. I love dancing. I can remember a routine very quickly, which is a great skill for TikTok. God bless. It is. It's so hard. I know. And so that I can't imagine, like, it's even hard. And I had to learn routines all the time being a cheerleader. And I can't

imagine having no dance background or anything and trying to remember those. I would not be able to do it. It's so hard. It's so hard. And then you spend so much time trying to remember and you're like, there's my whole day. No. And it's like, not only when you're putting together the perfect TikTok, you have to remember the the steps which is easily the hardest part you have to look like you're not trying to remember the steps you have to be like well that's so right that is so it's so true because i will literally like get a dance down and um or like whatever and i will watch it back and i'll be like emma why is your face like you know you're thinking your eyebrows are crossed you're like one two sidestep right left your mouth is like pursed like yeah yeah yeah yes totally well okay Emma's

gonna go check out my TikTok I have to go record better content so I gotta go um thank you so much for being here again check out all of Emma's projects the ideal planner is out now on Amazon Barnes & Noble anywhere you can buy books thank Thank you, Emma, for being here. We hope you had fun. And we will see you guys next week. Have a fabulous day. Bye. Thank you guys so much.

Peace and love.